Digimon Theory: SkullGreymon Is NOT A Greymon?
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- SkullGreymon might not be a Greymon, or at least that's how the Digimon fan theory goes. But what do YOU think of this Digimon theory, is SkullGreymon NOT a Greymon?
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Thanks for the love on this one gamers, great views out the gate!
However, I can't believe I need to reiterate this on video that is literally 59 seconds long, but this isn't my theory. I actually DEBUNK the Cyclomon connection, make it clear other Skull Digimon don't resemble their predecessor either and then just have a fun idea at the end.
Also the "you're overthinking it" crowd... that's what we do here and these sort of ideas are absolutely canon in cases like Machinedramon and Aegisdramon so it's actually... not overthinking? Anyway, most comments have been fine, just wanted to have this here, have a wonderful weekend!
Kinda makes sense because it's main Digi-Evolution being Machinedramon also cannibalizes other Machine Digimon to become stronger, so an Undead Digimon taking bones from other Digimon sounds metal as heck. Ha Machine pun!
SkullGreymon's profile mentions that its body rotted away, so I imagine the skeleton is the remains of a MetalGreymon that tried to gain more power, which is why it has certain mutations like the missile on the spinal cord and placement of the horn. In Digimon World 1, you can even obtain SkullGreymon through a special death evolution. Your MetalGreymon has a 10% chance of evolving into it after losing a battle.
Right, I can see MetalGreymon decaying into MetalGreymon (Virus), and then into SkullGreymon.
Kinda like Seraphimon transform into BlackSeraphimon before becoming Daemon.
In DW1, I started with Gabumon who became Tyrannomon then Megadramon then later on Death Digivolved into SkullGreymon and defeated the Ogremon/Waruseadramon battle.
in DW 1, if I remember correctly, there is more than one digimon that turn in to skullgreymon when die.
Also, I think there is a plot where myotismon creates a skullgreymon as some kind of science project, it got corrupted by analog man, and you need to fight it to get it free
@@jpedro1800who is analog man????
@@digidecks digimon world 1 main villain, both him and the protagonist (Analog Youth) don't have a proper name, so they are called analog because they are not digital
To be honest I think Skullgreymon (alongside other skeletal digimon) isn't reasonable to look at as a simple skeleton since digimon evolution seldom makes sense to start with.
But Skullgreymon makes a whole lot more sense when you think of it as a skeletal corruption of Metalgreymon.
I thought the same!😂
Yeah, I think the process in which a Greymon becomes a SkullGreymon is called a "death evolution". So it's an evolution that "died" as much as digimon can die.
Fittingly in Digimon World 1, if your Metalgreymon dies from battle or sickness, there's a low chance it evolves into a Skullgreymon.
Originally it was never connected to Greymon or Metal Greymon at all outside of maybe flavor text. But both of those were version 1 digimon, you couldn't actually raise a Skull Greymon from anything with "Greymon" in the name up until the first Digimon World. Initially Skull Greymon could only be digivolved from a Kabuterimon, Angemon, or Birdramon.
Ironically, Metal Greymon actually did make a lot of sense, visually. Because the idea was that it was a Greymon that was so old and so injured from all the battles its been in (a necessary thing to evolve past adulthood) that it has unnaturally extended its life with cyborg enhancements. That's why it's blue, it's basically a cyber-zombie. Skull Greymon works on the same basic idea, it just takes it in a different direction.
But like, y'know, digimon aren't made of meat, they're just data. Their outwards appearance is completely cosmetic and doesn't actually reflect their relationship to each other.
True it definitely has the wings and the missile so I can definitely see it
I always just thought that SkullGreymon was a Metalgreymon that was corrupted during the digivolution rather than the remains of a greymon.
I wanted to include that but had to cut it for time, they definitely have a lot in common!
Isn't that what we see when Tai forces so much pressure on Agumon after getting the Crest of Courage?
Like the scene where Greymon would normally transform into MetalGreymon gets corrupted because of Tai's negative influence on Agumon was too much to bear?
@@Karn_EXI mean, you could always make longer videos. TBF, it’s easy for anyone to say they meant to do something after the fact.
I think we need to remember that SkullGreymon is, at its core, an evolution. Any discrepancies between it and Greymon are explainable as being ways in which the skeleton evolved to be better suited for battle.
Definitely, that's always been my major thing with the Cyclomon theory, it's fun but kinda forgets Dark Digivolution is still Digivolution
@@Karn_EXjust a more corrupted version of such
Another important part of this theory is the comparison between these points in their profiles in the Digimon Reference Book:
-Cyclomon: "For the sake of revenge, he has lost his pride as a warrior, leaving him nothing more than a warrior obsessed with bloodshed."
-SkullGreymon: "He was a Digimon that placed too much importance on fighting and, as a result of his fighting instinct, he clung to life despite his body rotting away, becoming Skull Greymon."
Also, Cyclomon is one of the MANY, but POSSIBLE pre-evolutions of SkullGreymon. And if I'm not mistaken, another point that was mentioned was that in the old TCG, SkullGreymon was referred to as "Dragon Skeleton", and it is curious that Greymon in his profile says that he is of the "Dinosaur" type, while Cyclomon be of the "Dragon Man" type.
This is a pretty interesting theory, especially since different mon data mixing to make one digimon isn't particularly new to the series
Metagreymon does have missiles. So it may be a MetalGreymon evolving weirdly
I see it as an in-between of Greymon and Metal Greymon. In part because of how the original anime introduced it as a forced Digivolution.
@@gustavju4686 like, not fully cooked.
I never thought about that, that would be cool to see the actual skeleton of Digimon
It’s not Greymon but A Greymon. Just like Wargreymon not being Greymon itself but a higher form of Greymon. So, SkullGreymon is just a corrupted form of a Greymon that is changing data.
Well... Gaioumon/Samudramon IS a Greymon but it's name doesn't tell us that, why can't this be the other way around?
Just saying
Skullgreymon needs its own Ultimate evolution.
I oddly enough always thought it was a greymon who died during the digivolution to metalgreymon.
Funny enough, that's the explanation as to why SkullBaluchimon looks nothing like Baluchimon, the profile says that is the reproduction of the data of several counterfeit fossils found in the data of the fossil of a Baluchitherium.
Another interesting theory is that SkullGreymon actually is an amalgamation of parts of the design of the Adult Digimon it evolves from in the Digital Monster Ver. 2, such as basically Birdramon's head and feet (which end up as SkullGreymon's hands), Kabuterimon's body and horn and Angemon's wings
In the lore for Cyclomon it says that before it was Cyclomon it was a "proud dragon warrior" that fought Leomon and lost it's eye in the battle. Some have suggested that Cyclomon was ORIGINALLY a Greymon. Due to the similar color, the thick hide on it's head being similar to Greymon's, and being known as a "dragon warrior" before losing it's eye. I always thought it was an interesting take on it.
I always thought that Skullgreymon was the skeletal remains of Metalgreymon to which would explain the bone wings since Metalgreymon has organic wings.
If so, they did it far better than the Galar fossils of Pokemon. Now, this isn't me hating pokemon or anything, but the galar fossils look... unprofessional, when the bone wars very much weren't.
Very true
Tbf Cara Liss is definitely not a professional, or at least she doesn’t act like one
There’s no way it’s ethical to keep bringing those monstrosities into existence
@@gavinbrown216 Damn the person named Careless isn't all that professional 🤔
There is an old Digimon encyclopedia from the V-Pet days (but before Ver 5) that says MetalGreymon and SkullGreymon are indeed both Greymon, but that said I definitely think they had SkullGreymon in mind when designing Cyclomon. In fact, Deltamon from the same V-Pet has SkullGreymon's head as an arm so Kenji Watanabe seems to have had SGM on the brain at that point in time.
Skullgreymon being a reference to mixed up fossils would be the best and most overlooked reference of all time.
I like the idea. Since this means we can have the Skeletons of certain Digimons as a base. Replace some parts and add in some more bones to make a new Skull Digimon.
I always assumed that Skullgreymon was just a macabre digivolution of Greymon with its own unique features and not necessarily a skeletized Greymon. Ultimate forms frequently look different from their champion form.
It'd be cool if you did a video about this and make an evolution line for the skull evolutions but with custom art. So they would all have they're own evolutionary lines.
What I think is Skullgreymon is still my favorite dark digivolution to this day. Still wish we could have gotten a BlackSkullGreymon
Now that you mention it, a "Skullchimeramon" would be really cool to see 🤔
I always thought SkullGreymon was the bones or an undead version of Machinedramon 😅
The weird thing is, in the original V-Pet? Skullgreymon evolved from Kabuterimon. Which evolved from Gabumon.
Yes, it's a V-Pet, so there's more than one route, but that's the most straightforward line.
I imagine its a greymon that corrupted, or more or less died, during evolution, resulting in something misshapen.
I always assumed that SkullGreymon's physical difference was due to it failing to become MetalGreymon. The extra bone ribs being the wings and the missile on Skull's back are the missiles MetalGreymon gets. Add in how Digimon evolution can really change the appearance and that can account to the differences BUT the resemblances are uncanny with Cyclonemon!
I think the live missile and wings come MetalGreymon having a lot in common being fail state digimon
I think it makes perfect sense that in the anime - it was a greymon corrupted by anger and fear. In the sense of wild Digimon or other occurrences? I can see it being a program that absorbed data of multille files as they were deteriorating.
I love the explanation, i forget where it came from but i remember seeing some entry on Skullgreymon from either a game or the book saying something about its rage and hunger for battle bringing it back to life and "making it a greymon", leading into the idea that perhaps greymon is a title of sorts rather than a family of digimon. Think about it, there's Dorugreymon that isn't close to greymon in appearance but still has the name. It makes sense if "greymon" is simply a term to describe dinosaur/dragon/reptillian digimon programs that yearn for battle. It'd be understandable if Greymon was one of the first digital programs to be discovered, it'd be the figurehead to the large "greymon" group
NOT REALLY, IT'S JAPANESE NAME AKA IT'S ORIGINAL NAME IS DORUGUREMON, THEY PUT THE GREYMON ON USA, MUCH LIKE KENDO GARURUMON NOT BEING FROM THE GARURUMON LINE, OR BURNING GREYMON NOT BEING A GREYMON, SINCE IS REAL NAME IS VITRAMON.
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I like the Theory that Skullgreymon is the "Bones" of various Digimon that are related to Greymon and corrupted MetalGreymon Data (i.e. It couldn't fully evolve but also couldn't completely go back) and ended up being this Bone Amalgamation Digimon with Corrupted aspects of MetalGreymon
Totally, I like it too!
I used to theorise skull G was a mutant digimon rather than a dino/knightmare soldier. And the rocket/ secondary rib cage on his back is a result of the failed attempt to become metal greymon.
More over if skull G made it to mega and followed the chaotic route I'd imagine him becoming something like the demon clown in spawn minus the clown theme.
I read somewhere that the actual Digimon is a fungal-like virus controlling the skeleton. If so, the idea of it being an amalgamation makes even more sense.
Honestly the Paleo junkie in me digs this theory up. It always bothered me that SkullGreymon never resembled a Greymon
It's a decayed Virus Metalgreymon IMO since Virus is like Raremon in which isn't decaying.
I like the Cyclonmon idea, given that Cyclonmon is a fallen Oni Digimon who used to be a Dragon Warrior
I hope we get more Skull digimon. They are starting to grow on me especially since I'm now on my way to raising a Skullmammon on the Digimon Colour
Since I have studied the specific Digimon enough I can say that we can develop various theories based on various sources that we have from both Anime and Games with the main ones being the exes.
first and the most famous one is that of Greymon where a Greymon continued to fight in many battles with great ferocity that his body now reached the point where it could not heal and started to rot as a result when he finally lost a battle or just in the end his body give up on him and he died because of the wild instinct that was the only thing left alive that caused him to evolve into SkullGreymon (this is also one of the reasons that SkullGreymon are considered so dangerous as having only remained this instinct doesn't think about anything else but the fight), the other 2 cases are relevant for Cyclomon who, like Greymon, also ended up in a similar fate (as mentioned in the video they have several remarkable similarities) and finally that of MetalGreymon where there are 3 possibilities, 1 when a Greymon becomes a MetalGreymon there is a possibility that his body will discard his new additional metal limbs resulting in him either becoming MetalGreymon Blue (Virus) so that his condition can finally stabilize or his body will rot and to turn into a SkullGreymon, or (as we saw in Digimon World 1) if a MetalGreymon loses a battle and is in a very bad state (broken parts for example) as a result of which it is in danger of dying then in rare cases as a last resort its body changes to SkullGreymon (this also explains the 6 bones on his back as MetalGreymon has 6 wings)
From then on SkullGreymon's fate is completely in doubt, either his own instincts will lead him to his doom in the end or he will manage to regain the sanity he lost when he became SkullGreymon resulting in him becoming Black WarGreymon, or he will succeed to survive long enough for his body to restructure through the evolutions into Mugendramon/Machinedramon.
I always though of skull greymon being the skeleton version of metal greymon, because of metal greymon's wings and missiles being equivalent to that of the bone wings and missile on skullgreymon
Yeah that's the theory I like best too
Fun theory, I remember learning at one point SkullGreymon is actually a glitch from.the original V Pets, in some cases someone's Greymon would evolve but it would just be glitchy pixels and would still say Greymon, fans called it SkullGreymon,and it's believed this is where SkullGreymon comes from
I like that theory.
Makes sense in a way, because it is a key component in Chineramon if memory serves.
The cyclomon comparison is pretty damning. Maybe it was like a butterfree/venmoth situation
SkullGreymon is simply... SkullGreymon. c:
I like the theory, they could've even made all fit together if say, Cyclomon was a Perfect level corrupt evolution of Greymon as those 2 do kinda fit together AND THEN SkullGreymon could be the Mega.
That is actually a perfect theory since he evolved into Machinedramon who is an amalgamation of machine Digimon parts to create the perfect cyborg Digimon.
And then the same is said for Kimeramon who fuses with Machinedramon in order to make Millenniumon
I always thought skullgreymon was the skeleton of metalgraymon with the rocket on its back because it does have the mechanic part to fire it out of its chest
What if this is a case of Mugendramon/Machinedramon ripping off MetalGreymon's machine parts when it forms itself, and the now remaining bones left with nothing but a grudge wander the Digital World in search of its body?
I don't know if it would ever be canon, but I like Digimon World's idea of making him an experimental abomination and also kinda weird. IIRC, Vandemon also calls SkullGreymon MetalGreymon's death evolution.
Reminds me of that fossil monster owned by Jim in yugioh gx
Maybe the real skeletal remains of GreyMon are the friends we made along the way.
I've always just assumed the "ribcage wings" are just the bones of Metalgreymon's wings, right???
Wait, didnt metalgreymon have 2 of those missles fire out of his chest???
Weight is lent to this notion by the fact that it's not an official part of the Greymon line. They seem similar to Greymons in some way, but don't seem to actually be related, such as how, in real life, the African Springhare is similar to a hare, but not actually a hare.
I think is more a situation that something unique happen in the digital world and it created the species for skullgreymon, like imagine a greymon that is only focus on fighting (like the reference of skullgreymon mentions) and it fights a cyclomon as his last opponent with both of them dying the spirit of the greymon still wanting to fight took his bones and the ones from cyclomon and fuse them into a new digimon.
It's a Digi volution from the partners anger which causes greymon to go under a dark evolution
I have always seen that skullgraymon, maybe either A. Mix multiple different digimon of the greymon family, both alive and extinct or B. And if true something, I really would like to see somebody explore this, the of an extinct member of the greymon family
I always thought skull greymon was supposed to be the skeleton of metal greymon because of the missile and wings.
Cool theory. My question though is who the heck are those two war greymon variants next to wargreymon X?! Never seen them before and can't find any info on them...
Tentomon -> Kabuterimon kind of makes sense because they both resemble bugs, but are still noticeably different in many ways.
Now, Gabumon -> Garurumon is a bit wonkier. The former is bipedal, whereas the latter is not. That requires some serious changes.
Point being, as they digivolve, they undergo plenty of changes all at once. Since they’re fictional characters, we’re free to speculate any way we like, but if Skullgreymon is established as being a Greymon digivolution, then it’s in the Greymon line.
ETA: I’ve had many years to think about this very thing.
I never noticed the similarities between Cyclomon and SkullGreymon
Oh I never noticed this. I like the combination idea!
The last part makes sense, skullgreymon happened because Tai tried to force a digivolve although i don't think its an amalgamation of different digimon like that, i think its an amalgamation of different greymon ultimates, although their wasn't alot of different one if any at the time we still knew digimon can digivolve into different forms
I believe it's more or less canon that SkullGreymon is the final stage of a Greymon after it becomes MetalGreymon Virus, the body rots away and leaves SkullGreymon through some sort of Slide Death evolution.
I mean, if Angewomon can digivolve from sunflowmon or Frigimon...I think this could be true too.
Skullgreymon is the bone version of Machinedramon
Yeah, I already knew, information on profiles also supports the theory if I remember correctly
it’s the skeleton of metal greymon because it’s like he didn’t evolve all the way
I think your theory is dead on. Myotism all but confirms it in Digimon World 1. When asked about his research on Skullgreymon he says "I was collecting bones and putting them together."
5 days since our last KarnEX Long form upload... we're just barely hanging on. Some have resorted to hand puppets. Lord save us. 😂
You can see where it tried to be metal greymon, especially with the slightly bigger left arm being more than perspective in the official art
It's a cool theory, but I see too much of the "skeletal system" as in, the blue prints, of Kabuterimon, Birdramon and Angemon that are it's preevos on the DM2. Add in it's sit in a desert, I see it as a digimon that dried out in the sun but refused to die
Can always think of it as a skeletal kimeramon without being a kimeramon like machinedramon
Good theory. I like it a lot.
SkullGreymon does evolve into Machinedramon, or at least they can be seen as dark mirrors of the Greymon family. Machinedramon is made of metal components of cyborg Digimon, so SkullGreymon can likely be collected from bones of different things.
Opened my eyes to all the possibilities.
My head cannon is that at least in adventure skullgraymon is sorta like the digimon equivalent of a butterfly coming out of the chrysalis too early or something. Its sorta a 'oh shit I can't finish this and need to pivot before I hurt myself' kinda deal.
With chimeramon its definitely possible but thing thats sets it off as a greymon is the shark missile
We could always treat skullgreymon like machinedramon. Lets figure out where each body part came from.
The Skull Digimon to me aren’t just skeletons left behind, they’ve also evolved in some way. SkullGreymon notably has a missile launcher similarly to MetalGreymon, and the rest of its appearance is just to drive home its savage, skeletal nature. SkullBaluchimon gained skeletal wings when it Digivolves from Baluchimon.
Yeah I think people forget Dark Digivolution is still Digivolution
In that image with all the greymons who are the two that come after Gaiomon in that same row?
My headcanon is that Cyclonemon is a Gabumon trying to be just like a Greymon but got the evolution wrong. Thus SkullGreymon is that same Gabumon still trying to be a Greymon through toxic means.
Given that digimon are in lore computer data and that the first time we see one its due to "hacked" data, when Tai tries to force greymon to digivolve for the first time, I think it's far more fitting and likely to consider most if not all skull digimon as corrupted code, a mutated and bastardized version of the based code
Not necessarily true actually! SkullGreymon was in vpets before Adventure and it's not quite as clear cut as Digimon just being data, in many instances they have actual biology and are more like yokai than computer programs
Id imagine its only named skullgreymon because someone tried to build a greymon out of skeleton pieces, hence the stitching
Skullgreymon is maybe the second ever death digivolution next to ponchomon
I was gonna comment about chimaeramon but you beat me to it in the vid by speaking on amalgamation
How is this only a RECENT theory? I noticed the resemblance DECADES ago - between the horn, jaws, arms, etc. - and assumed I couldn't possibly be the only one. (Not to mention, correct me if I'm misremembering this, but didn't Cyclomon digivolve to SkullGreymon in one of the V-Pets?)
Idk lol I've only seen it in recent years
Imo Skullgreymon is in fact the remains of either Greymon or Metalgreymon however since it has a brutal nature and is known as a fighter combined with the fact that it is basically undead; who’s to say that it doesn’t collect parts in order to repair its self after each big battle possibly perfecting parts from similar digimon like other greymon/Dino/dragon like digimon.
I personally never thought that Skull Digimon were ever intended to be the skeletal remains of any Digimon. That would imply that they're dead versions of those Digimon rather than elvolutions and Digimon never actually die so they can't have skeletal remains. That is to say that when a Digimon "dies" they've been shown to just turn back into a Digiegg and start their entire life cycle all over again. In that sense SkullGreymon doesn't need to resemble a Greymon to be a Greymon, many members of the Greymon species don't really resemble each other. It also makes sense for him to have those bone like wings as an Ultimate level Digimon because other Ultimate level Greymon also have wings. Even the cannon on it's back makes sense when you compare him to other Greymon species at the same level rather than comparing him to the Champion level Greymon.
Most of their reference book listings all kinda intimate they are Digimon who rotted away, actually but yeah they're also evolutions
Well Skullgreymon first appeared in Digimon World. There, he was a creation of Myotismon.
my mind blowned
Makes a ton of sense but for me having it be a greymon would just make it an old digimon. I know the greymon line is pretty extensive and would allow for a few bends but i think this is sort of like the evolutionary point where some species can look similar to another to protect themselves.
I had already known this theory before, years ago an Argentine youtuber spoke about it.
Cool, never claimed it was my theory
Looks more like a mammothmon varēant or like a dark evolution like greymon to skullgreymon in the s01 with tai and greymon is a dinosaur kind and mammothmon a mammal kind
I always thought it is an amalgamation because you can see it's horn and fingers having staple like stitches to attach them.
You could try arguing that's just the soft, bendable material bones would have in joints...but why does the horn on it's head need two of these joints? Horns don't naturally bend. Why does it look like 2 separate bones stapled onto his head?
You ever wonder if cyclonmon is dark gabumon evolution
Even the one horn seems stapled on..
Isn't cyclomon an alternative digivolution of augumon anyway?
Maybe it's a failed evolution into metalgreymon from greymon or cyclomon. Like it dies in the process of trying to become a metalgreymon, so it has an incomplete version of the features from every side, both champion and perfect