Lori using the name of Jesus really bothered me. She could have confessed her sins and asked for forgiveness. She is crazy but still responsible for the evil that she has done.
Even the judge acknowledged she is mentally ill at the trial. He also said it didn't excuse what she did. She had family who would have helped her with J.J. if she needed a break.
I'm with Brenda... fed up with Lori's mentally ill excuse. She's a liar, and not a good one. I am impressed with the family members who specifically point out, "She had a near-death experience in Birth #1? I've never heard this before. NONE of us have." Yeah- how convenient that, once in the spotlight, the Liar conjures up whole new mirages of new fantasies. How convenient.
Yep, the money is the thing that always brings me back to thinking she knew precisely what she was doing. There was no reason to kill anyone except for money. She did if for freedom and money.
@@ArtfullyMusingLaura yes for 2 people that were convinced the world was ending, is in contradiction with wanting so much money. They knew it wasn't ending they both knew what they were doing, they just thought they would get away with it.
Her whole speech was what a narcissist would make. It was about how innocent she is, how misunderstood she is. She also insinuated that her purpose on this earth is far more important than her kids lives and purpose - they were just extensions of her. They were not important in her plans. It’s terrible. So much selfishness and self centeredness.
Oh that fashion of calling someone a narcissist. Isn't there a narcissist in everyone? Take a look in the mirror. We are all humans with human flaws and good and evil is inside all of us. Isn't there a mentally healthier hobby for you to find? :)
@@cathal4921 no. There is not a narcissist in everyone. Maybe you're speaking for yourself? Its a term and it exists as a personality disorder, whether you like it or not
As a mental heath professional, I agree with the Uncle. If she were psychotic, she would have rambled but her statement was organized. She is a narcissistic personality disorder. They are extremely dangerous people if the have power of any kind.
As someone who's studied psychology for years, I think what her uncle said makes sense & explains a lot... But as a professional, I would also like more detail on how you would explain to someone else
@@kimsmith5083 Lack of empathy, manipulative/gas lighting, ideas of grandeur (her idea that she is chosen by God for a special purpose), feeling superior to others etc. I grew up with one, work in a mental health office and have a minor in psych. Not a trained expert by any means but living with one until I was 18 was where my main education came from...and was in therapy for it off and on over the years.
I literally gasped when she described her dear friend Tammy…she can say all she wants but that statement there tells everything we need to know. How many sins are on her soul…all of them. Her entire life has been spent achieving all her stupid fantasies
ARE THE POLICE INVESTIGATING STACEYS DEATH...THE FAMILY LEFT HER ALONE WITH ALEX AND THEY WENT AWAY FOR A WEEKEND...HE WAS VISITING COUSIN AND THEN SAID LETS BOTH GO SEE HOW SHE IS, (COUSINS INTERVIEW) ESP NOW WRT AC ?
When Lori brought up suicide, drugs, etc referencing the deaths of her children and Tammy, I just about fell out of my chair. OK Lori, if that were the case, WHY was JJ bound, mouth taped shut and buried, and Tylee burned, dismembered, and buried? Jesus sure does know her! He knows she's a murderer! The devil knows her, too! Sounds like she sold her soul to him.
I spit coffee all over my phone when she made reference to that! Gathered myself and it happened again when she made reference to Tammy! I had to fast forward to get to get through it. Nothing much shocks me... but this? I was blown away with shock and disbelief. She needs total defragging! Cripes!!!
Lori basically admitted her guilt with her defense speech. She defended Tylee’s death. She basically said Tylee is better off in heaven than here on earth because of her painful pancreatitis. Horrible. An innocent person wouldn’t justify their daughter’s death!
To be honest.....heaven is suppose to be the greatest thing you can imagine....so wouldn't we ALL be better off there....according to HER logic?!?!? Just crazy.
Nope. She implies that suicide is a cause of death because of Tyler’s living in pain. She implies that side effects of medications is a possibility for J.J. she’s a monster for real.
While her statement & everything thing she's done was absolutely disgusting, why would you expect HER to have remorse? I know because you would & most normal ppl would. But why after knowing & her showing what she is capable of, that you would expect someone capable of going thru with the things she did and not feel bad about it then or for the last few years, would have or feel it remorse now?
What she did, not only the murders, but after them explicitly, is just disgusting, she went back to the same city in Hawaii where they lived as a family to dance, play the guitar, have a beach side wedding all while her kids were dead by their hands, so sick
Please people! Personality disorder is not a mental one. She is a narcissist histrionic. No medication can help this kind. Just cognitive therapy telling her, "You aren't all that".
I have borderline personality disorder no medicine can help I tried em all they make me suicidal only thing that kinda helps is therapy weekly few times a week 2 hour sessions. I have extreme trama and abuse from childhood I wouldn't wish these disorders on anyone it very mentally taxing because I know I do bad stuff and can't stop but I'm trying. I never heard of histrionic before this case I need to look it up sounds interesting. But she knows exactly what she was doing...
@@Trailer_Trash_Barbie my prayers are totally with you!! You sound like a wonderful person and I’m so sorry for your abuse as a child, so very sorry. You are tryin, admitting, recognizing, and taking responsibility…. You are to be honored, applauded, and respected!!!
Disorder means there is no connectivity that seems to be normal, it manifests in this disordered behavior exacerbated by religious beliefs. She is Typical of extreme Christian beliefs, that the murderous acts are justified by God according to scripture and other religious literature.
& that they gave her immunity just for info on Chad & Lori! - but not for Alex. & I doubt she'll incriminate herself for a death no one's investigating. Guess we'll have to wait for an attack of consciousness. ⏳
Exactly……..I believe Lori & Mel G told her to marry Alex ( she served as a watch dog)it was their plan to do away with him because he knew to much & talked to much. He carried out Lori’s plan & she wanted him gone he had served his purpose she was finished with her brother. Such a mixed up family in many ways.
The only decent things Summer did was the tribute to Tylee that nobody else did. We always hear about JJ and Tammy and Tylee is always forgotten. At least she had the decency to do this. Doesn´t excuse the rest, tough.
The Cox family will all continue to deny That Lorri had issues before Chad. Look at her history. How could you not see she was struggling? Lorri's life was always someone doing wrong to her. She never accepted any responsibility for her behavior. Sad...
Thank you her cousin stated she was manipulating ppl and how she was 13 and Lori 16 she laughed at a cat that got killed everyone like Colby her family and she embarrassed her with women talking about sex at 13 and she stated that she go have sec with bf and leave with a boy the blaming Chad but the family stated she said that Ty was demon way before ppl are just trying to the blame some one
Lori is not mentally ill. A truly mentally ill person is upsetting to witness. Lori is a charmer. It has served her well in her past. Lori will make a life in prison. She will engage. She will get people to like her.
Being mentally ill doesn’t mean you don’t know what you’re doing and aren’t willingly manipulative. That’s why she’s a narcissist. She’s very mentally ill and delusional w all those “dreams” she has,
Her talking like she has some special direct line to heaven was so upsetting. Denying that her children weren’t murdered was beyond disrespectful to the court.
She actually spoke on behalf of her butchered children, and actually had the audacity to say her kids are well and they told her not to worry ??? Really? Have we not read the autopsy report of the manner in which her children died? Her daughter taken apart piece by piece with a axe. Her son. His dog taken away from him. Duct tape wrapped. Burried Alive. Marks under his finger nails because he tried to fight his way to breathe!!! She is sick. She got off easy in my opinion. She doesn’t deserve to be on this planet.
I was disgusted by what Lori said, and I don’t even know the people involved! The part that disgusted me the MOST was her saying that Tammy is her friend!!! Tammy never even met her!!! I hate when people bring in Jesus and religion into heinous crimes!!! 🙄🤮
Lori Vallow achieved exactly what she intended to do. Her statement was so outrageous that it completed overshadowed the impact statements delivered by the other folk. Her nonsense has been broadcast over and over on many channels, giving her the publicity that she craves. She must be well satisfied with her performance.
It's so true, Why all the focus on the nonsense she spoke? Reminding us of what the Bible says about throwing stones, if you are without sins. I believe people remember the witness impact statements very well, but just needed to see this crap, in order to express their disgust. I know that's why I have watched this video. Not to give her time, or space, but to let her know, she's full of crap, and she disgust me.
I have no pity for Lori Vallow at all. It’s hard to imagine the hell she put her own family through along with other families connected to the victims. Her deplorable actions speaks volumes for itself along with her depths of narcissism.
& my heart breaks for JJ & Tylee's friends & classmates, etc. Having a classmate murdered! Is HUGE! & By their Mommy? How do you explain that to your kids? & Hope they don't worry you might do the same to them. If this so called formerly perfect church going beauty queen soccer mom w/an adopted autistic son, to boot! could do this, how can 1 trust or feel safe with not so perfect parents geez
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt evil betrayals by the very ones is suppose to trusted truly eats away at the the faith for humanity and the churches. She deserves to lose the rest of her family and friends and I can’t blame them for their justified anger. I hope they find peace in their lives because they are not going through this alone.
Absolutely. I felt rage from her speech also. She’s a disgusting disrespectful soulless evil empty woman. I’m sorry anyone that was involved in what Lori did to Tammy, JJ and Tylee had to finish off this night mare case with her last words. Key being LAST!
Agree 💯 I was feeling the same! The fact they had to sit and listen to her BS was another Crime against their Souls that she already shredded!! And I felt that she is trying to pull an insanity plea hoping for a lowered sentence, all manipulation, and not one ounce of empathy or Compassion, not one thought for the suffering of others
It's not over yet, I truly believe they are saving the best punishment for Dumbbell There's still alot to be said with this case. Expect extra arrests.
Lori is NOT mentally ill, she is fully aware of what is happening. I am convinced her behaviour yesterday is a ploy she is hoping to use down the track.
Yes I agree. That was totally made up bollocks about dying in childbirth for example. If that had happened she'd have been crowing about it on that bloody awful podcast they did. Lying about Joe Ryan again, making sure it got on a court record. Claiming Tammy was her friend when they'd never even met ffs. It was all so calculated. She's not crazy. She's as cunning as an outhouse rat.
Being aware of what’s happening doesn’t mean you’re not crazy. I don’t think it was a ploy, I think she’s very mentally ill. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think what she said was vile and a horrible thing to put the families through, nor do I believe she deserves a lighter punishment. Even her uncle thinks she’s mentally I’ll and out of touch with reality - like hersaid, it’s not an excuse.
Please tell us what credentials you have too diagnose some one??? I believe any one without the education should keep their opinions to themselves as they don’t have the education to back up what their fingers type.
She is definitely delusional and cunning, and is where she needs to be. She is a danger to society. Many vile delusional people throughout history have done horrific crimes. For her, it is a way to keep from admitting what she did to her children. The scary part is the people that drink their kool-aid. They need to keep their eyes on her, so she doesn’t start a cult following. Maybe, she spilled the beans? This might be Chad’s defense- accidental death, suicide, accidental overdose. If so, now the Prosecutors know and will be able to counter his bs.
@@DocBree13exactly. people think mental illness only exists one way. She’s incredibly mentally ill AND she knew exactly what she was doing. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I think the fact that she was moving place to place probably made it difficult to connect all the dots...The people that could've rang the alarm bells were truly Melanie Beuadrox, Melanie Gibb, and Zulema Pastenes, but once the police caught on, they all ran for the hills and protected their own butts! I truly believe it was in their power to prevent this tragedy from happening...Anyway, my prayers go out to all the victims, may you some day find peace...🙏🙏💕
Melanie B is the spookiest to me. The fact she was calling her own children dark and then that body cam of her trying to get to them when she wasn't supposed to...I hope she doesn't have access to them
If she were mentally ill she would be messing up in jail. If she doesn’t know right from wrong why is she behaving so well and being a model inmate as the judge stated she is? She’s a monster.
True... But also, if say if she's like reading the Bible 18hrs a day, that would make her look "good" & docile, but definitely not normal or mentally well.
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8ntThe scripture says the devil knows and can quote scripture too. He has his minions and she is one. So is Chad. Thoroughly and completely WILLINGLY DECEIVED.
Take religion out of the equation and you have a dysfunctional family that: LV's relatives keep emphasizing what a good mommy she was. Here's an outsider's view: She was married 5x; Tylie's father was never proven to be a child molester!!!!! (early LIE); She never earned much money as a hairdresser (big deal) but married huzbo #3 and #4 who were rich. Once she was sick of huzbo #4, she killed him for money. My point is, she was exhibiting sociopathic/narcissistic behavior LONG BEFORE she was in a mini-cult and murdered her 2 kids!
Lori's sister, Summer, said she'd never heard the story of Lori "dying" in childbirth before. Lori talks like she's still sermonizing her silly friends and thinks regular people believe that nonsense. I wonder if her lawyers were cringing along with the rest of us?
She never spoke of Alex …. Her close brother through all of this, but thinks Tammy was her best friend . She has no remorse…no empathy. That’s how she functions.
Rex and Justin, thank you for correcting the narrative about Joe. The reports and court records speak volumes. This poor man had his life made into hell. Thank you.
@andrewzapata9420 Barry and Janis Cox....Google Barry....HE thinks and SAYS his family is perfect...he expects them to be. That's why Lori thinks she has never done any wrong! She's always been spoiled and pampered!
I have a sister who is kind of like Lori. My sister didn't kill anyone that I know of, but what is noticeable is that she is never wrong, never apologizes but expects others to bow and scrape before her. My reaction now is to cut off all communications with her. I pray for her but I do not allow her to abuse me any longer.
Unfortunately, we can’t pick our sisters! We are stuck with them. If they are toxic then let go and find your own way. You will never be happy trying to make it work. It shouldn’t be painful to have a loving relationship with a sibling. That should be obvious. Take care of yourself!
Rex, those of us who have followed this tragedy from the beginning and have listened to interviews of family members and podcasts genuinely wish restoration and healing for all the family to the greatest extent possible. We understand that Lori is beyond hope for those purposes, but the rest can still improve relations with one another. Best wishes
Right? I actually knew someone who is schizophrenic and murdered someone. She would tell anyone and everyone why she had to kill this person because in her head it made sense! There was no trying to get a lighter sentence or play the justice system. She was put into a mental institution until she's fit for trial (it's been 20 yrs and I doubt she'll ever be mentally stable)
@@ruthdevisser2526in a legal sense when you’re pleading “not guilty bc of mental insanity,” yes. But plenty of mentally ill people know what they’re doing. Mental illness doesn’t only look like being helpless, delusional and in a straitjacket.
I think it’s so remarkable how Lori’s, Chads and Charles families have united during this horrific situation. They have all been through hell and have still stepped up and supported each other. It must’ve been really hard to do that.
@@annettelacey7913That's so sad, I will pray for those children, perhaps when Chad's trial is over they will see the light, I sorta get how they would want to try to believe their dad
I was disgusted and I’m so sorry the family had to hear it. Outside of being a narcissist and an egotistical evil person she knows exactly what she’s doing.
I feel like Lori's statement at the trial was her last podcast. She took the platform and preformed one last time. No remorse, acting above and superior of us all.
I’m glad he said mental Illness isn’t an excuse. Personality disorder is not a mental illness as well. She’s trying to play crazy and she tried it up to the very end. Talk to the inmates who have come across her, they’ll tell you she doesn’t have a disconnect with reality. I don’t believe she ever did. I believe like the judge said, that she used the bizarre religious stuff to justify her actions.
Yes I truly believe she's a narcassist with histrionic tendencies and always has been. She just wanted to be seen as a good mom and family member. Thats why she was, not her love for everyone around her. No meds are going to help her. She needs heavy duty therapy.
@@LaLaLonna Love your comment. You seem to totally understand them. I think it has to be seen to be believed bc they're good actors, but also most people aren't thinking in that way. Do you feel it viscerally now when your around one?
What blow's my mind is she actually believes after everything thats happened, after everything thats been exposed, what she has to say holds value. She still think's she can manipulate and dupe people. That's how big her ego is. Lori's narcissism and ego still push her to try and convince people she is spiritually superior. I believe she actually thinks people are falling for her lies like they did before. Mind blowing!
Wouldn't it have been great if the whole courtroom burst into a huge loud laughter and as she kept talking the laughter got louder and louder and wouldn't stop..... I know the judge wouldn't allow that but just imagine if he didn't stop it!!!!
Thanks Justin.. Love all your videos. Although everything she said was fantasy I am glad she did speak as her own words did her in.. You could see the Judge taking notes as she spoke and he put her in her place in the end.. So glad he came through
I agree with other posts. She is a full-blown narcissist, not delusional at all. Narcissist never admit they are wrong , can be covert because they socially need everyone to get on board with their campaign whatever it is. She was always a narcissist. Narcissists go to great lengths to get their way, whatever that may be. You see this with spouses who kill their partners because they are leaving. She is not only a narcissist she is malignant, meaning once Charles died, she needed to feed off someone, and Chad was a malignant narcissist too. It's really no surprise that she killed everyone for money because Chad was trying to feed off her, like he had done for years with Tammi. Two malignant narcissists who left their feeding grounds and needed food sources to do that. Predators, really.
Narcissists are masterful at playing the victim and savior at the same time. Lori isn’t mentally ill. She took measured steps to methodically isolate Tylee and JJ - to use them as pawns to achieve her plans of biblical domination. For Summer to tarnish Joe in her statement was irresponsible. Lori manipulated every situation involving her wants and needs especially to control the narrative that she’s the ultimate victim. How do we know that these bouts of pancreatitis weren’t brought on by Lori? How better to fulfill your God complex than a sick victimized child? I think it makes everyone feel better to attach mental illness to these murders, easier to understand if we frame it in such context. But this isn’t that. In fact labeling evil as an illness is an attempt to make sense of it all. But there’s nothing that’s going to make it make sense. Lori killed everyone in her way then wrapped it in the guise of religion. Until everyone stops calling these violent acts mental illness - Lori gets a pass for committing murder. Stop. It’s a disservice to everyone especially Tylee, JJ, Tammy and Charles. Give them peace.
Technically, it is an illness, but not an excuse. She would love for it to be an excuse, but it simply isn’t. To prevent her illness from affecting others, she must be imprisoned. It is too late for any meaningful treatment for her.
XD I have considered I that Tylee had pancreatitis because she was purposefully made I'll be Lori,that a s likely only one reason why she was dismembered and burned,how many other damages and tortures did they inflict on her? I am so sorry Tylee and J.J. that the person who claimed to love you,CHOSE to embrace and inculcate evil in ultimately betraying you. I am thankful that you two martyred innocents are now forever beyond your grasp sitting at God's right hand. I will always pray for you and your family.🙏.
The worst was when she referred to Tammy as her Best Friend! That was so low. The whole thing was exactly what I expected her to do and I wasn't even surprised she still has no remorse.
The family thinking that 'hurting Joseph Ryan' was acceptable is disgusting. At what point does the law not mean anything? This Cox family is shocking, and they had many years to protect everyone around Lori, it did not start with Chad. Yes it's disgusting and to think she would have said anything less cruel to her victims families, is not at all a surprise. The judge needed to hear it.
The Cox family got duped by Lori. They have made it clear that they are hurt by Lori’s actions. No excuse to keep bashing this family. Put that energy towards people that deserve it.
I agree with you. The Cox family enabled her, especially the mother, rather than get her help. I do understand that being a mother, but at some point , long before the Charles death, the family had to say enough drama and BS.
@@politicallyincorrect5802None, the Court appointed a psychologist to interact with Tylee, the psychologist conclusion was that Tylee was being coached by her mom which really mad Lori furious. I truly believe Lori was always a bad mom to those poor kids unlike what the family are saying. Charles own sons’ told their mom that Lori was giving the kids a green substance at nights that knocked them out - does that sound like the perfect mom? Well not to me but I suppose some people especially family members want to believe that Lori was a good mom but I don’t believe Charles exwife thought that on the stories her boys told her.
Lori's statement was nothing but another attempt to justify all those murders, no matter what she says, murder is murder ...Now its Lori's turn to be 'happy' and 'busy' in the prison world....😂😂😂
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7iei guarantee we haven’t heard the last of Lori. I bet she converts the majority of the women into the faith of her & Chads. Once Chad goes to court & if he throws Lori under the bus, the women will flock to her & coddle her over being used & abused by Chad & Chad will be the ultimate fall guy and killer of the kids.
I mean I do too don't get me wrong but she was litterally suppose to be committed, Arizona cops failed them, Charlie's reached out to everyone in her family, they ignored him, (exception to her uncle and one of her brothers they did try to intervene), he dies admittedly at the hands of Alex, no one on her side asks questions, she lied about how he died, to many people, got caught in those lies by some of them and again no one on her side asked questions. Their were so many red flags, they heard the nonsense she was spewing no one did anything, Chad's sister inlaw went to the church to tell them what was happening in the group they had and they did nothing, so many many people in her family over looked red flags, intentionally ignored them. I feel for them and not to victim blame, but damn this could have went different if anyone took it seriously
& Tammy! They'd still be alive! & What about Charles' lawyers too, who he told if anything happens to him it was Lori & her brother Alex! & Then he gets shot by Alex!? Why didn't his Lawyers go to the Police immediately. Maybe they wouldn't have written it off as self-defense so easily
Shooting first and asking questions later is kinda how things work in these parts. Arizona is a very gun friendly stand your ground type of place. Unless you're a person of color that is. Those fools go straight to jail without passing go and collecting 200 dollars 😂
Did anybody else notice that when she addressed the court she began her lies with that little girl baby voice? Also, please tell me how you can end yourself or OD then butcher yourself so you wind up in a bucket then set yourself on fire, or climb into plastic bags and wrap yourself in duct tape.
& only bc you asked, and I'm not at all defending her (As if!) But implying they may have died other ways besides being murdered has nothing to do with what happened to the bodies after the fact. Just like the girl that threw her baby in the hospital trash. Whether the baby was stillborn or born alive & she murdered it, no one's denying she put it in the trash. Death/Murder and disposal of a body are 2 different things.
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt Thank you. It just boggles my mind. But she seemed to want to protect Chad, so do you think she meant to implicate it was only him or her brother who did the murders/disposal of the bodies?
I have so much respect for these families and the dignity and goodness they keep up in the face of the evil they have encountered through Lori and Chad. Despite of all her " angel hair" Lori's face expresses now the uglyness she has within. What she said may be a sign of "mental illness"- but also some mad story she makes up to excuse her from having to admit to her evil deeds.
Shes a masterful manipulator. She knew she'd be able to spew her lunacy without anyone being able to ask her any questions or contradict her. She knew she'd face cross examination had she spoken during the trial.
It has to be tortuously difficult for the family members to still be navigating this because they still expect to see a remnant of the Lori they once knew. But there isn't anything left of that Lori. She has gone completely over to the dark side - her will now is to thwart truth and torture people with her lies. She's enjoying this.
Uncle Rex, thank you for being so open and honest. It really does help to hear your perspective. Much love and appreciation to you, Adam, Megan, Summer, and others who’ve shared from the heart. ❤❤
Justin you have done such a wonderful job covering this unusual and complicated case. Thank you so much. Your kindness and grace sure shine through. God Bless!
He said, “she’s consciously aware of right & wrong”. She absolutely is! The judge said during his sentencing how well Lori has behaved in prison never having caused any problem or had any disciplinary problems. If she can follow the rules in jail she can follow the law & know MURDERING her CHILDREN is UNACCEPTABLE!!
I was enraged when I heard her bring religion into it and saying all the reasons they could have died then justifying their death saying how hard their life was was so disgusting I hope she gets prison justice
She's been convicted and sentenced to three life sentences plus. Did you notice her slight almost indiscernible smirk when her sentences were handed down? Her delusional grandiosity and imaginary elevated 'throne' is very telling of who SHE believes she is! WON'T SHE BE SURPRISED when she's confronted with the ACTUAL TRUTH.
Justin thank you for posting this interview, I appreciate your hard work very much! Thank you so very much Rex, for sharing in this interview.... I think you are an absolutely wonderful person......and Adam as well.......I always watch the podcast that you guys have. My heart really does go out to you and your family..... I can't imagine having to go through the situation that you all have been thrown into. My prayers are with you all. Please just know and realize that there's an entire world out here that love all of you and are praying and wishing for the best in days to come for you and your family. ❤❤❤❤
I'm glad you are seeing this you are right lorie does know everything she is doing I listen to Meagan Connor she is very truthfully about all lorie has done she is very honest more people should listen to her
Rex, my heart breaks for you and your family. Lori is a narcissist so I was not shocked by her delusional speech. Much continued Healing for all affected. 🙏💙🇨🇦 Thanks Justin. 🌞
That speech was absolutely infuriating and still to this day shows no remorse and no emotion except for herself. Personality Disorders are there since a very young age. Looking back at many things she said and did way before meeting Chad makes her personality disorder evident.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you Justin & Rex!! I’m so sorry for everyone in both families, but I hope the end of this chapter will bring renewed spirits, recovery, & rest to all.
Rex, you seem to be so balanced even though you and your family have been through a four year nightmare. Thank you so much for speaking out and being willing to be interviewed. You have no idea how you are helping all the rest of us to process through this incredible unfolding story! Thank you so much! Praying for you and your family through all of this
Rex is absolutely right, Lori will continue to stick to her belief system, that’s why she keeps smiling and saying the things she does. I’m a member of the LDS faith living in Germany and I have been following the trial and of course the sentencing this week. How anyone can distort the faith so much, especially while going to the temple, is pure evil! My heart breaks for these two beautiful children, for Tammy and for Charles. I’m sure there is more to come in the Arizona trials, until everything is said and done there will be no closure.
Mormonism in Deutschland auch? Doch nicht‼️‼️ It’s a SATANIC CULT. Read the last chapter of Revelation where God says no man is to add or subtract anything from HIS word. And in the book of Samuel Saul goes to see the witch of Endor because he wants to know the future. God becomes VERY angry and strictly prohibits such activity. Praying to or for the dead? ?? WICKED. Please please please go to any Lutheran church in Germany, or what I believe they call the Free church but get out of Mormonism. I learned German as a child and can still read my grammas gothic print Bible so Ich werde fur dich beten. Ich habe verwandte in Stuttgart.
She took church doctrine to a new level of crazy . I can't believe the church still allows Melanie Gibb into their flock & Temple attendance presently .Lori's not mentally ill she's brainwashed to the 10th degree .
Her statement is typical of narcissistic collapse. Even at the end they don't take responsibility. She looks the part. Prison eyebrows. Prison mop on her head. The Good Lord will bring peace to your family.
Alex was completely controlled by Lori! How that came about is a mystery. He goes & shoots at Tylees Dad to protect her, then he ends up being involved in her murder. WTH! 👺
There has been speculation that their relationship was perhaps more than it should have been, ie inappropriate. That's the hold she had over him. But it's only speculation. No family members have spoken about that as far as I know.
Absolutely disgusting statement by Lori..she knew exactly what she was doing and what she had to do to get away with it. Let’s not forget that Alex was also a serial killer and made conscious decisions about the murders and attempted murder.. this isn’t mental illness.. it’s delusional religious beliefs. Their religion gives them the belief that they can be gods.. and as active members of the LDS Church in good standing.. they were so “sane” that they didn’t even raise alarm bells within the church that they were attending daily.
When my BIL and nephew were murdered, the killers mother publicly apologized to our entire family. She didn't have to do it, but she was so devastated by the fact that her son could have committed such a horrendous act, she felt it was her place! It showed us her true contempt for his act! I am yet to hear this from the Coxes! It's not their place, but it would go a long way in healing for so many people. Instead they write books and start podcasts.
How do the family feel towards melanie p now? Knowing she was into all this and that she had pretty much agreed to kill at least one of her own kids from text messages between her and Lori....???!! Or have they brushed that under the carpet as well until she does something horrific at some point?!?
So pleased to find a few(very few) others who feel as I do. There is still a lot of fishy stuff that they won’t talk about and Rex thinking he can help other people is beyond ridiculous.
@sadiehughes6972 melanie G has an Autistic child, I'm not aware of Melanie p having a special needs child though, I could be wrong. But based on the text messages alone between her and Lori etc she was conspiring to murder her child ( children) not to mention kill off her husband at the time Brandon......so how isn't she facing by charges I just can not Fathom it
I think all of America was disgusted by her statement. I can only imagine how her victims felt. It was one shockingly disgusting sentence after another. From her quoting Scripture to calling Tammy her friend. Lori thought she would get the last word, but thankfully Judge Boyce had the last word.
What a great interview! Rex has been amazing throughout this trial, and has really helped give us a glimpse into the family dynamic. He is real, seems completely honest, and as devastated by what has happened as the rest of us. Thank you Justin for continuing to being us great interviews! You are amazing and I’ll be following your every word as the next chapters in this saga are read.
Personally - i think all that BS she spewed yesterday was taking direct digs at Kay and Larry and others by saying that she could still communicate with JJ and Tylee. Its just one more way for her to prove that she still has ultimate control. JMO
Although Summer is greatly affected by the actions of Lori, there is something about her dismissiveness, an odd haughtiness and a constant throwing shade at others who cannot defend themselves. Lori, Mel P, Janice and Summer have this odd way of expressing themselves that I find most disingenuous and haughty. You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can NOT fool all of the people all of the time. When the finger pointing stops, blaming others stops, then a true healing and new peace will result. You can’t put smoke back into a cigarette….it is futile. Lori opened Pandora’s box.
Colby' s claims of s.a. were proven impossible and Tylee never claim s a. I was so sad and angry for what Lori was allowed to put out to the world, people will hear without the reality/ truth to it.
Did anyone else notice that when Lori made her statement and pointed out her relatives/loved ones that she communicates with from the afterlife that her brother/co-conspiartor, Alex was not mentioned to be one of those? Hmmmm! 🤔🤔🤔 Does that mean that she doesn't see him in heaven? Freudian slip?
Rex makes an excellent point about the value of good journalism. Justin has been an example of keeping the case going, as, of course, has Nate Eaton. Then there are the great UA-camrs who kept us aware and informed. We cherish our free press! 🇺🇸❤️
Disagree. Charles was asking for help and his concern wasn't just for himself. It was for Lori too. The cops totally failed him and are at least partially responsible for his death.
Her statement was pure blasphemy. Disgusting and truly turned my stomach. I am so sorry your family had to hear that.
Probably, if you sprayed, Holy water , on her , she would know the difference! 👿🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I agree ! There’s NOTHING HOLY about what she did ! She’s a Lunatic!! How dare she bring Jesus into what she had done
She’s not really mentally I’ll !! She’s acting like it !
Lori using the name of Jesus really bothered me. She could have confessed her sins and asked for forgiveness. She is crazy but still responsible for the evil that she has done.
Blasphemous is also how I’d classify her statements. The idea that Tammy was her friend? All of it was a sick woman’s grab for the last word
I’m tired of the “Lori is mentally ill” defense.n. Lori knew exactly what she was doing and what she was doing.
She's a vile narcissist
Even the judge acknowledged she is mentally ill at the trial. He also said it didn't excuse what she did. She had family who would have helped her with J.J. if she needed a break.
I think it is a factor but most definitely NOT a defense. So tragic and senseless 🥹😢
Religion is mental illness.
I'm with Brenda... fed up with Lori's mentally ill excuse. She's a liar, and not a good one. I am impressed with the family members who specifically point out, "She had a near-death experience in Birth #1? I've never heard this before. NONE of us have." Yeah- how convenient that, once in the spotlight, the Liar conjures up whole new mirages of new fantasies. How convenient.
She knew enough to keep it secret until the kids were found. She knew enough to collect social security knowing they were dead. Give me a break
Yep, the money is the thing that always brings me back to thinking she knew precisely what she was doing. There was no reason to kill anyone except for money. She did if for freedom and money.
@@ArtfullyMusingLaura yes for 2 people that were convinced the world was ending, is in contradiction with wanting so much money. They knew it wasn't ending they both knew what they were doing, they just thought they would get away with it.
My grandbaby's mother has two kids with autism and she gets $3,000 for each child a month through social security.
@@celticfreckles2570 wow thats a lot!
@source2950 yes!
Her whole speech was what a narcissist would make. It was about how innocent she is, how misunderstood she is. She also insinuated that her purpose on this earth is far more important than her kids lives and purpose - they were just extensions of her. They were not important in her plans. It’s terrible. So much selfishness and self centeredness.
Oh that fashion of calling someone a narcissist. Isn't there a narcissist in everyone? Take a look in the mirror. We are all humans with human flaws and good and evil is inside all of us. Isn't there a mentally healthier hobby for you to find? :)
@@cathal4921huh????
@@cathal4921it's a DIAGNOSIS - it was named by the judge at sentencing. Sit down.
@@cathal4921 no. There is not a narcissist in everyone. Maybe you're speaking for yourself? Its a term and it exists as a personality disorder, whether you like it or not
@@cathal4921so you think killing your children using God as an arrogant excuse? So supreme and smug 😮 get real!
As a mental heath professional, I agree with the Uncle. If she were psychotic, she would have rambled but her statement was organized. She is a narcissistic personality disorder. They are extremely dangerous people if the have power of any kind.
Can you explain what her diagnosis means for the simple people
As someone who's studied psychology for years, I think what her uncle said makes sense & explains a lot...
But as a professional, I would also like more detail on how you would explain to someone else
Great point. She is definitely off…this makes sense .
@@kimsmith5083 Lack of empathy, manipulative/gas lighting, ideas of grandeur (her idea that she is chosen by God for a special purpose), feeling superior to others etc. I grew up with one, work in a mental health office and have a minor in psych. Not a trained expert by any means but living with one until I was 18 was where my main education came from...and was in therapy for it off and on over the years.
@@Christycat927 thank you ❤️
I literally gasped when she described her dear friend Tammy…she can say all she wants but that statement there tells everything we need to know. How many sins are on her soul…all of them. Her entire life has been spent achieving all her stupid fantasies
Sadly, we are seeing EVIL …I wouldn’t be able to be in the courtroom or any place where she is present …. they are in the presence of Evil…HORRIFIC 🔥
Modern Day Witchcraft...Witch
ARE THE POLICE INVESTIGATING STACEYS DEATH...THE FAMILY LEFT HER ALONE WITH ALEX AND THEY WENT AWAY FOR A WEEKEND...HE WAS VISITING COUSIN AND THEN SAID LETS BOTH GO SEE HOW SHE IS, (COUSINS INTERVIEW) ESP NOW WRT AC ?
I didn't think she really knew Tammy, let alone be friends. Or did she mean that she now is friends with Tammy in heaven?
This will stay with me forever. I couldn’t believe it and I still can’t.
When Lori brought up suicide, drugs, etc referencing the deaths of her children and Tammy, I just about fell out of my chair. OK Lori, if that were the case, WHY was JJ bound, mouth taped shut and buried, and Tylee burned, dismembered, and buried? Jesus sure does know her! He knows she's a murderer! The devil knows her, too! Sounds like she sold her soul to him.
Right on!!
I spit coffee all over my phone when she made reference to that! Gathered myself and it happened again when she made reference to Tammy! I had to fast forward to get to get through it. Nothing much shocks me... but this? I was blown away with shock and disbelief. She needs total defragging! Cripes!!!
Humans, not gods and devils.
@@MissOhio1980 it´s the thought of satan. This was a coven and some black widows are now exposed. May their day come as well.
And if that were the case her attorneys would have used that as a defense!
Lori basically admitted her guilt with her defense speech. She defended Tylee’s death. She basically said Tylee is better off in heaven than here on earth because of her painful pancreatitis. Horrible. An innocent person wouldn’t justify their daughter’s death!
To be honest.....heaven is suppose to be the greatest thing you can imagine....so wouldn't we ALL be better off there....according to HER logic?!?!? Just crazy.
I wonder if there might have been a bit of Munchausen by proxy (not sure what it’s called nowadays) going on?
Nope. She implies that suicide is a cause of death because of Tyler’s living in pain. She implies that side effects of medications is a possibility for J.J. she’s a monster for real.
@@abigailandino6251makes me sick ! What she killed herself cut herself up and burned half her body and buried it ? What a pos
I thought her statement was absolutely disgusting.... No remorse whatsoever!
While her statement & everything thing she's done was absolutely disgusting, why would you expect HER to have remorse?
I know because you would & most normal ppl would. But why after knowing & her showing what she is capable of, that you would expect someone capable of going thru with the things she did and not feel bad about it then or for the last few years, would have or feel it remorse now?
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt
Right!
That's exactly how I felt when the person left that comment!
She needed hospitalized
What she did, not only the murders, but after them explicitly, is just disgusting, she went back to the same city in Hawaii where they lived as a family to dance, play the guitar, have a beach side wedding all while her kids were dead by their hands, so sick
Please people! Personality disorder is not a mental one. She is a narcissist histrionic. No medication can help this kind. Just cognitive therapy telling her, "You aren't all that".
So true… add borderline to that. It’s not a mental illness.
That's a good point: A personality disorder is not the same as a mental illness.
I have borderline personality disorder no medicine can help I tried em all they make me suicidal only thing that kinda helps is therapy weekly few times a week 2 hour sessions. I have extreme trama and abuse from childhood I wouldn't wish these disorders on anyone it very mentally taxing because I know I do bad stuff and can't stop but I'm trying. I never heard of histrionic before this case I need to look it up sounds interesting. But she knows exactly what she was doing...
@@Trailer_Trash_Barbie my prayers are totally with you!! You sound like a wonderful person and I’m so sorry for your abuse as a child, so very sorry. You are tryin, admitting, recognizing, and taking responsibility…. You are to be honored, applauded, and respected!!!
Disorder means there is no connectivity that seems to be normal, it manifests in this disordered behavior exacerbated by religious beliefs. She is Typical of extreme Christian beliefs, that the murderous acts are justified by God according to scripture and other religious literature.
It’s hard to believe Lori’s hit man brother died of natural causes, and it’s hard to believe Zulema wasn’t a part of his death.
And the cousin Melanie!!! More need charged in all this crises.
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& that they gave her immunity just for info on Chad & Lori! - but not for Alex.
& I doubt she'll incriminate herself for a death no one's investigating. Guess we'll have to wait for an attack of consciousness. ⏳
Yes, Melani Pawlowski needs to be held accountable. That woman is also mentally ill and a danger to her children! I'm so scared for those kids 😭
Exactly……..I believe Lori & Mel G told her to marry Alex ( she served as a watch dog)it was their plan to do away with him because he knew to much & talked to much. He carried out Lori’s plan & she wanted him gone he had served his purpose she was finished with her brother. Such a mixed up family in many ways.
Summer made a good tribute but summer is in denial about lorie still blaming Chad lorie was screwed up way before chad
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The only decent things Summer did was the tribute to Tylee that nobody else did. We always hear about JJ and Tammy and Tylee is always forgotten. At least she had the decency to do this. Doesn´t excuse the rest, tough.
I completely agree. Summer has he head in the sand too.
The Cox family will all continue to deny That Lorri had issues before Chad. Look at her history. How could you not see she was struggling? Lorri's life was always someone doing wrong to her. She never accepted any responsibility for her behavior. Sad...
Thank you her cousin stated she was manipulating ppl and how she was 13 and Lori 16 she laughed at a cat that got killed everyone like Colby her family and she embarrassed her with women talking about sex at 13 and she stated that she go have sec with bf and leave with a boy the blaming Chad but the family stated she said that Ty was demon way before ppl are just trying to the blame some one
The fact that Lori "cherry picks" what she says and to who is evidence that she's manipulative. Lori is not delusional nor does she have any disorder.
Lori is not mentally ill.
A truly mentally ill person is upsetting to witness.
Lori is a charmer. It has served her well in her past.
Lori will make a life in prison. She will engage. She will get people to like her.
Being mentally ill doesn’t mean you don’t know what you’re doing and aren’t willingly manipulative. That’s why she’s a narcissist. She’s very mentally ill and delusional w all those “dreams” she has,
@@sawahiii She's not delusional. She hides 👺 behind scriptures.
@@sawahiii mental illness is broad these days.
Tammy's sister, Samantha Gwilliam's victim impact statement nailed it! Lori is a big liar and a theif
I love Rex! He’s so kind, so honest, so real.
He does seem like a genuinely good man.
❤️🍀
Her talking like she has some special direct line to heaven was so upsetting. Denying that her children weren’t murdered was beyond disrespectful to the court.
She actually spoke on behalf of her butchered children, and actually had the audacity to say her kids are well and they told her not to worry ??? Really? Have we not read the autopsy report of the manner in which her children died? Her daughter taken apart piece by piece with a axe. Her son. His dog taken away from him. Duct tape wrapped. Burried Alive. Marks under his finger nails because he tried to fight his way to breathe!!! She is sick. She got off easy in my opinion. She doesn’t deserve to be on this planet.
I was disgusted by what Lori said, and I don’t even know the people involved! The part that disgusted me the MOST was her saying that Tammy is her friend!!! Tammy never even met her!!! I hate when people bring in Jesus and religion into heinous crimes!!! 🙄🤮
Blasphemy incarnate.
I feel the same way!
Lori is so brazen. She said "Jesus knows what happened". Yeah Lori, he sure does, and he's pissed!
Jesus wept😭
She's possessed and that's why she keeps bringing up Jesus. It pleases Satan.
Justin your integrity during this case has been amazing.
Thank you
Alex would have killed Brandon given half the chance and stolen his children, too. How did Melani slide out from under responsibility in this mess?
And Zulema, etc
Yup, disgusting , nauseating, sickening, repugnant !!! This woman is not delusional she is a criminal and all the characters that goes with it.
Lori Vallow achieved exactly what she intended to do. Her statement was so outrageous that it completed overshadowed the impact statements delivered by the other folk. Her nonsense has been broadcast over and over on many channels, giving her the publicity that she craves. She must be well satisfied with her performance.
True!
Sad she's satisfied with such negative attention tho.
I miss the old Lori! Lol. Where she at least lied to try & make herself look good! 🙄
Lori Daybell. Please have some respect for Charles.
It's so true, Why all the focus on the nonsense she spoke? Reminding us of what the Bible says about throwing stones, if you are without sins. I believe people remember the witness impact statements very well, but just needed to see this crap, in order to express their disgust. I know that's why I have watched this video. Not to give her time, or space, but to let her know, she's full of crap, and she disgust me.
@@THXx1138 Larry said, infront of the court, after they came out: "Have we noticed that she didn't mention that Charles came to her? Why not?"
ahhh bingo. She was always going to get the last word. She's such a b*tch.
I have no pity for Lori Vallow at all. It’s hard to imagine the hell she put her own family through along with other families connected to the victims. Her deplorable actions speaks volumes for itself along with her depths of narcissism.
Lori Cox or Dumbell. I mean Daybell.
& Exactly! ZERO pity!
Zip
Zilch
Nada!
& my heart breaks for JJ & Tylee's friends & classmates, etc. Having a classmate murdered! Is HUGE! & By their Mommy?
How do you explain that to your kids? & Hope they don't worry you might do the same to them.
If this so called formerly perfect church going beauty queen soccer mom w/an adopted autistic son, to boot! could do this, how can 1 trust or feel safe with not so perfect parents geez
She has hurt so many people. Too many to count.
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt evil betrayals by the very ones is suppose to trusted truly eats away at the the faith for humanity and the churches. She deserves to lose the rest of her family and friends and I can’t blame them for their justified anger. I hope they find peace in their lives because they are not going through this alone.
@@BL-no7jp
All religions are a fraud 😒
It does nothing but teach people to lie and deceive!
Absolutely. I felt rage from her speech also. She’s a disgusting disrespectful soulless evil empty woman. I’m sorry anyone that was involved in what Lori did to Tammy, JJ and Tylee had to finish off this night mare case with her last words. Key being LAST!
Agree 💯 I was feeling the same! The fact they had to sit and listen to her BS was another Crime against their Souls that she already shredded!! And I felt that she is trying to pull an insanity plea hoping for a lowered sentence, all manipulation, and not one ounce of empathy or Compassion, not one thought for the suffering of others
It's not over yet, I truly believe they are saving the best punishment for Dumbbell
There's still alot to be said with this case. Expect extra arrests.
@@lily-rose7982I sure hope so.
I heard her first few words and then stopped listening...not worth my time
@@lily-rose7982 yes. NEXT
Lori is NOT mentally ill, she is fully aware of what is happening. I am convinced her behaviour yesterday is a ploy she is hoping to use down the track.
Yes I agree. That was totally made up bollocks about dying in childbirth for example. If that had happened she'd have been crowing about it on that bloody awful podcast they did. Lying about Joe Ryan again, making sure it got on a court record. Claiming Tammy was her friend when they'd never even met ffs. It was all so calculated. She's not crazy. She's as cunning as an outhouse rat.
Being aware of what’s happening doesn’t mean you’re not crazy. I don’t think it was a ploy, I think she’s very mentally ill. That doesn’t mean that I don’t think what she said was vile and a horrible thing to put the families through, nor do I believe she deserves a lighter punishment. Even her uncle thinks she’s mentally I’ll and out of touch with reality - like hersaid, it’s not an excuse.
Please tell us what credentials you have too diagnose some one??? I believe any one without the education should keep their opinions to themselves as they don’t have the education to back up what their fingers type.
She is definitely delusional and cunning, and is where she needs to be. She is a danger to society. Many vile delusional people throughout history have done horrific crimes. For her, it is a way to keep from admitting what she did to her children. The scary part is the people that drink their kool-aid. They need to keep their eyes on her, so she doesn’t start a cult following.
Maybe, she spilled the beans? This might be Chad’s defense- accidental death, suicide, accidental overdose. If so, now the Prosecutors know and will be able to counter his bs.
@@DocBree13exactly. people think mental illness only exists one way. She’s incredibly mentally ill AND she knew exactly what she was doing. The two are not mutually exclusive.
I think the fact that she was moving place to place probably made it difficult to connect all the dots...The people that could've rang the alarm bells were truly Melanie Beuadrox, Melanie Gibb, and Zulema Pastenes, but once the police caught on, they all ran for the hills and protected their own butts! I truly believe it was in their power to prevent this tragedy from happening...Anyway, my prayers go out to all the victims, may you some day find peace...🙏🙏💕
Melanie B is the spookiest to me. The fact she was calling her own children dark and then that body cam of her trying to get to them when she wasn't supposed to...I hope she doesn't have access to them
My thoughts too. I don't for one minute believe they especially her neice were not part of this.
If she were mentally ill she would be messing up in jail. If she doesn’t know right from wrong why is she behaving so well and being a model inmate as the judge stated she is? She’s a monster.
Exactly!!
True... But also, if say if she's like reading the Bible 18hrs a day, that would make her look "good" & docile, but definitely not normal or mentally well.
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt True. Good point!
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt they should take that bible away from her because it keeps on feeding her delusion
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8ntThe scripture says the devil knows and can quote scripture too. He has his minions and she is one. So is Chad. Thoroughly and completely WILLINGLY DECEIVED.
Take religion out of the equation and you have a dysfunctional family that: LV's relatives keep emphasizing what a good mommy she was. Here's an outsider's view: She was married 5x; Tylie's father was never proven to be a child molester!!!!! (early LIE); She never earned much money as a hairdresser (big deal) but married huzbo #3 and #4 who were rich. Once she was sick of huzbo #4, she killed him for money. My point is, she was exhibiting sociopathic/narcissistic behavior LONG BEFORE she was in a mini-cult and murdered her 2 kids!
And oh such a good point you make!!!!!!
Right on!!
Yep! & She didn't even keep it a secret! Remember when she referred to herself as a "ticking time b0mb" at some pageant 🤦🏽♀️
Excellent point!
we used to call them BLACK WIDOWS .....
Lori's sister, Summer, said she'd never heard the story of Lori "dying" in childbirth before. Lori talks like she's still sermonizing her silly friends and thinks regular people believe that nonsense. I wonder if her lawyers were cringing along with the rest of us?
I thought her lawyers looked chagrined during her speech
She never spoke of Alex …. Her close brother through all of this, but thinks Tammy was her best friend . She has no remorse…no empathy. That’s how she functions.
She never spoke to anyone she claimed to. And no one beyond the grave spoke to her.
Rex and Justin, thank you for correcting the narrative about Joe. The reports and court records speak volumes. This poor man had his life made into hell. Thank you.
I think prosecutors should have objected when she made those accusations about Joe. The defence objected to things that were said by the victims.
@@jdxx59yes, it was infuriating. In hindsight, Lori was given slack with rope and she hung herself with it.
Lori’s parents are nuts - sorry….
Yes they are, especially her dear old daddy!!
@@bluemoonofky8468 Janice Cox chews food and spits it back out onto her plate.
Who loris parents, and why are they nuts??
@@THXx1138 What does that have to do with anything
@andrewzapata9420 Barry and Janis Cox....Google Barry....HE thinks and SAYS his family is perfect...he expects them to be. That's why Lori thinks she has never done any wrong! She's always been spoiled and pampered!
She's not mentally ill - she's evil.
No doubt. There’s a difference.
I believe a person can be mentally ill and still be evil. Like Rex said, if she thought nothing was wrong, she wouldn't have lied about everything.
She is definitely possessed by the devil.
Is there a difference?
I have a sister who is kind of like Lori. My sister didn't kill anyone that I know of, but what is noticeable is that she is never wrong, never apologizes but expects others to bow and scrape before her. My reaction now is to cut off all communications with her. I pray for her but I do not allow her to abuse me any longer.
Good for you! Stay strong!
Good for you. Wise.
yes u are doing it right IVE BEEN THERE..stay STRONG..
Unfortunately, we can’t pick our sisters! We are stuck with them. If they are toxic then let go and find your own way. You will never be happy trying to make it work. It shouldn’t be painful to have a loving relationship with a sibling. That should be obvious. Take care of yourself!
That’s so hard when they are family❤ Take care of yourself, no contact is the only way. Protect yourself!
Rex, those of us who have followed this tragedy from the beginning and have listened to interviews of family members and podcasts genuinely wish restoration and healing for all the family to the greatest extent possible. We understand that Lori is beyond hope for those purposes, but the rest can still improve relations with one another. Best wishes
She isn't mentally ill because she knew she had to lie about how the kids died. If she was really mentally I'll she would have stuck to her story.
Right? I actually knew someone who is schizophrenic and murdered someone. She would tell anyone and everyone why she had to kill this person because in her head it made sense! There was no trying to get a lighter sentence or play the justice system. She was put into a mental institution until she's fit for trial (it's been 20 yrs and I doubt she'll ever be mentally stable)
She’s definitely mentally ill. She’s knows right from wrong, and deserves what she got, though.
@@DocBree13mentally ill means ,you don’t know right from wrong .That’s how they get off of serious jail time.
@@ruthdevisser2526not sure, as isn’t Narcissistic Personality Disorder considered a mental illness?
@@ruthdevisser2526in a legal sense when you’re pleading “not guilty bc of mental insanity,” yes. But plenty of mentally ill people know what they’re doing. Mental illness doesn’t only look like being helpless, delusional and in a straitjacket.
The mother is as sick as the daughter. I’ve seen those same narcissistic traits in the mom’s interviews.
Spot on
SO DID I.....T.Y..
I think it’s so remarkable how Lori’s, Chads and Charles families have united during this horrific situation. They have all been through hell and have still stepped up and supported each other. It must’ve been really hard to do that.
Chads kids are a disgrace. More sickness I fear for their children (grandchildren)
I missed the Chad family part. His kids are sticking by him and had not spoken up for their mother or the other victim’s families
Chads family isn't supporting no one,the kids have drank there dads cool aid,I really think they think there mother turned into a zombie,
@@annettelacey7913 thanks, exactly what I observed
@@annettelacey7913That's so sad, I will pray for those children, perhaps when Chad's trial is over they will see the light, I sorta get how they would want to try to believe their dad
I was disgusted and I’m so sorry the family had to hear it. Outside of being a narcissist and an egotistical evil person she knows exactly what she’s doing.
I feel like Lori's statement at the trial was her last podcast. She took the platform and preformed one last time. No remorse, acting above and superior of us all.
Justin Lum is such a great interviewer and remembers everything, it’s refreshing! Keep up the great work.
Thank you Justin for all of your hard work, compassion and dedication.
Thank you for this interview. Thank you for openly sharing your feelings.
I’m glad he said mental Illness isn’t an excuse. Personality disorder is not a mental illness as well. She’s trying to play crazy and she tried it up to the very end. Talk to the inmates who have come across her, they’ll tell you she doesn’t have a disconnect with reality. I don’t believe she ever did. I believe like the judge said, that she used the bizarre religious stuff to justify her actions.
Note to all: this "mental illness" used to be labeled "character disorder".... crazy my ass
Yes I truly believe she's a narcassist with histrionic tendencies and always has been. She just wanted to be seen as a good mom and family member. Thats why she was, not her love for everyone around her. No meds are going to help her. She needs heavy duty therapy.
@@LaLaLonna Love your comment. You seem to totally understand them. I think it has to be seen to be believed bc they're good actors, but also most people aren't thinking in that way. Do you feel it viscerally now when your around one?
@@LaLaLonna heavy duty therapy won't help her either if she doesn't believe she needs help
@@LaLaLonna lol she needs to be told she's dark or a zombie.
Terms that resonate with her
What blow's my mind is she actually believes after everything thats happened, after everything thats been exposed, what she has to say holds value. She still think's she can manipulate and dupe people. That's how big her ego is. Lori's narcissism and ego still push her to try and convince people she is spiritually superior. I believe she actually thinks people are falling for her lies like they did before. Mind blowing!
Absolutely!
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She thinks she is spiritual superior, that alone make her dangerous. And she is ill, so with that together, disasters follow.
Delusional but still knew the difference between right and wrong
Wouldn't it have been great if the whole courtroom burst into a huge loud laughter and as she kept talking the laughter got louder and louder and wouldn't stop..... I know the judge wouldn't allow that but just imagine if he didn't stop it!!!!
@@vonickles5033 yup. Just didn't care
Thanks Justin.. Love all your videos. Although everything she said was fantasy I am glad she did speak as her own words did her in.. You could see the Judge taking notes as she spoke and he put her in her place in the end.. So glad he came through
MODERN DAY WITCH AND WITCHRAFT NOT FANTASY
And Chad's children should be ashamed of themselves, no intrest in their moms murder its pretty sick
I kinda agree with you but i think he brain washed those kids thier whole life .they will probadly never believe it if it hits them in the face.
I agree with other posts. She is a full-blown narcissist, not delusional at all. Narcissist never admit they are wrong , can be covert because they socially need everyone to get on board with their campaign whatever it is. She was always a narcissist. Narcissists go to great lengths to get their way, whatever that may be. You see this with spouses who kill their partners because they are leaving. She is not only a narcissist she is malignant, meaning once Charles died, she needed to feed off someone, and Chad was a malignant narcissist too. It's really no surprise that she killed everyone for money because Chad was trying to feed off her, like he had done for years with Tammi. Two malignant narcissists who left their feeding grounds and needed food sources to do that. Predators, really.
I agree 💯
I think Rex is such a beautiful human being. I’m so glad he chose to have this conversation. Thank you Rex 🤗
I know! I can't believe how much of this woman's family I love & that she is literally & physically part of, but hate her.
Narcissists are masterful at playing the victim and savior at the same time. Lori isn’t mentally ill. She took measured steps to methodically isolate Tylee and JJ - to use them as pawns to achieve her plans of biblical domination.
For Summer to tarnish Joe in her statement was irresponsible. Lori manipulated every situation involving her wants and needs especially to control the narrative that she’s the ultimate victim. How do we know that these bouts of pancreatitis weren’t brought on by Lori? How better to fulfill your God complex than a sick victimized child?
I think it makes everyone feel better to attach mental illness to these murders, easier to understand if we frame it in such context. But this isn’t that.
In fact labeling evil as an illness is an attempt to make sense of it all. But there’s nothing that’s going to make it make sense.
Lori killed everyone in her way then wrapped it in the guise of religion. Until everyone stops calling these violent acts mental illness - Lori gets a pass for committing murder. Stop. It’s a disservice to everyone especially Tylee, JJ, Tammy and Charles. Give them peace.
Very well said!
Technically, it is an illness, but not an excuse. She would love for it to be an excuse, but it simply isn’t.
To prevent her illness from affecting others, she must be imprisoned. It is too late for any meaningful treatment for her.
XD I have considered I that Tylee had pancreatitis because she was purposefully made I'll be Lori,that a s likely only one reason why she was dismembered and burned,how many other damages and tortures did they inflict on her? I am so sorry Tylee and J.J. that the person who claimed to love you,CHOSE to embrace and inculcate evil in ultimately betraying you. I am thankful that you two martyred innocents are now forever beyond your grasp sitting at God's right hand. I will always pray for you and your family.🙏.
The worst was when she referred to Tammy as her Best Friend! That was so low. The whole thing was exactly what I expected her to do and I wasn't even surprised she still has no remorse.
RIGHT?? YOU DON'T SCREW YOUR BEST FRIEND'S HUSBAND! Then help plot their death... she is a sick POS
The family thinking that 'hurting Joseph Ryan' was acceptable is disgusting. At what point does the law not mean anything? This Cox family is shocking, and they had many years to protect everyone around Lori, it did not start with Chad. Yes it's disgusting and to think she would have said anything less cruel to her victims families, is not at all a surprise. The judge needed to hear it.
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The Cox family got duped by Lori. They have made it clear that they are hurt by Lori’s actions. No excuse to keep bashing this family. Put that energy towards people that deserve it.
I agree with you. The Cox family enabled her, especially the mother, rather than get her help. I do understand that being a mother, but at some point , long before the Charles death, the family had to say enough drama and BS.
What EVIDENCE BESIDES LORI´S WORDS do they have to claim Joe Ryan was a SA?
@@politicallyincorrect5802None, the Court appointed a psychologist to interact with Tylee, the psychologist conclusion was that Tylee was being coached by her mom which really mad Lori furious. I truly believe Lori was always a bad mom to those poor kids unlike what the family are saying. Charles own sons’ told their mom that Lori was giving the kids a green substance at nights that knocked them out - does that sound like the perfect mom? Well not to me but I suppose some people especially family members want to believe that Lori was a good mom but I don’t believe Charles exwife thought that on the stories her boys told her.
Lori's statement was nothing but another attempt to justify all those murders, no matter what she says, murder is murder ...Now its Lori's turn to be 'happy' and 'busy' in the prison world....😂😂😂
I feel so bad for Lori's family and everything that came along with her horrid actions. I truly hope they can find peace.
Relegated to disappear in the prison system
@@jeanettecoleman-mz7iei guarantee we haven’t heard the last of Lori. I bet she converts the majority of the women into the faith of her & Chads. Once Chad goes to court & if he throws Lori under the bus, the women will flock to her & coddle her over being used & abused by Chad & Chad will be the ultimate fall guy and killer of the kids.
This is a start.
Ya, what family she has left, she’s killed just about everyone in her immediate family!
I mean I do too don't get me wrong but she was litterally suppose to be committed, Arizona cops failed them, Charlie's reached out to everyone in her family, they ignored him, (exception to her uncle and one of her brothers they did try to intervene), he dies admittedly at the hands of Alex, no one on her side asks questions, she lied about how he died, to many people, got caught in those lies by some of them and again no one on her side asked questions. Their were so many red flags, they heard the nonsense she was spewing no one did anything, Chad's sister inlaw went to the church to tell them what was happening in the group they had and they did nothing, so many many people in her family over looked red flags, intentionally ignored them. I feel for them and not to victim blame, but damn this could have went different if anyone took it seriously
Disgusted is a good word.
The police in Arizona totally dropped the ball and I wonder how it might have changed the outcome for Charles, Tylee, and JJ!!
& Tammy!
They'd still be alive!
& What about Charles' lawyers too, who he told if anything happens to him it was Lori & her brother Alex! & Then he gets shot by Alex!? Why didn't his Lawyers go to the Police immediately. Maybe they wouldn't have written it off as self-defense so easily
Shooting first and asking questions later is kinda how things work in these parts. Arizona is a very gun friendly stand your ground type of place. Unless you're a person of color that is. Those fools go straight to jail without passing go and collecting 200 dollars 😂
Lori’s speech made me nauseated 🤢 and I wanted to throw up 🤮
Ask him if he thinks Melani-niece should be charged. I'd like to hear what he has to say about that.
Not mentally I’ll, Evil
AMEN‼️ Utterly DEMONIC ‼️ Wake up America. ‼️SATANIC DELUSIONS‼️
Both.
Mentally Evill 😏
Did anybody else notice that when she addressed the court she began her lies with that little girl baby voice?
Also, please tell me how you can end yourself or OD then butcher yourself so you wind up in a bucket then set yourself on fire,
or climb into plastic bags and wrap yourself in duct tape.
Totally agree on that little girl voice!!! Great point.
Omg yes!!!
I sent the link for someone to watch with the caption "puts on some little girl voice too" 🙄
& only bc you asked, and I'm not at all defending her (As if!)
But implying they may have died other ways besides being murdered has nothing to do with what happened to the bodies after the fact.
Just like the girl that threw her baby in the hospital trash. Whether the baby was stillborn or born alive & she murdered it, no one's denying she put it in the trash.
Death/Murder and disposal of a body are 2 different things.
@@SolitaryCLeste-ez8nt Thank you. It just boggles my mind. But she seemed to want to protect Chad, so do you think she meant to implicate it was only him or her brother who did the murders/disposal of the bodies?
Exactly!!!!!
I have so much respect for these families and the dignity and goodness they keep up in the face of the evil they have encountered through Lori and Chad.
Despite of all her " angel hair" Lori's face expresses now the uglyness she has within.
What she said may be a sign of "mental illness"- but also some mad story she makes up to excuse her from having to admit to her evil deeds.
Shes a masterful manipulator. She knew she'd be able to spew her lunacy without anyone being able to ask her any questions or contradict her. She knew she'd face cross examination had she spoken during the trial.
I must disagree she's no master I know a few that would put her to shame.
@@GigiWright ok I chose the wrong term, let's just say "skillful". 👍And yes, I know some too that can put her to shame. 😉
She is willfill...not mental . Shes a mouthpiece for darkness and is so proud about it..true willful deception.
It has to be tortuously difficult for the family members to still be navigating this because they still expect to see a remnant of the Lori they once knew. But there isn't anything left of that Lori. She has gone completely over to the dark side - her will now is to thwart truth and torture people with her lies. She's enjoying this.
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I agree
Great point!!
Yes lorie enjoyed all of this .now this is a woman who truly thinks she better than anyone. .
G.O.N.E. 💯
& Whether it's illness or an act, either way, the OG Lori is never coming back
In every way imaginable
Uncle Rex, thank you for being so open and honest. It really does help to hear your perspective. Much love and appreciation to you, Adam, Megan, Summer, and others who’ve shared from the heart. ❤❤
It’s shocking to me that anyone in that family still speaks to her. Completely shocking
Justin you have done such a wonderful job covering this unusual and complicated case. Thank you so much. Your kindness and grace sure shine through. God Bless!
Don’t forget the attempted murder of Tammy before they successfully killed her a little while later.
I feel so sad for the uncle. It’s hard to have a family member who killed their own children.
He said, “she’s consciously aware of right & wrong”.
She absolutely is! The judge said during his sentencing how well Lori has behaved in prison never having caused any problem or had any disciplinary problems. If she can follow the rules in jail she can follow the law & know MURDERING her CHILDREN is UNACCEPTABLE!!
Good point!!
I was enraged when I heard her bring religion into it and saying all the reasons they could have died then justifying their death saying how hard their life was was so disgusting I hope she gets prison justice
Yes ! And then for her to say she will one day join them in Heaven is a absolute joke !!!
She's been convicted and sentenced to three life sentences plus. Did you notice her slight almost indiscernible smirk when her sentences were handed down? Her delusional grandiosity and imaginary elevated 'throne' is very telling of who SHE believes she is! WON'T SHE BE SURPRISED when she's confronted with the ACTUAL TRUTH.
Justin thank you for posting this interview, I appreciate your hard work very much! Thank you so very much Rex, for sharing in this interview.... I think you are an absolutely wonderful person......and Adam as well.......I always watch the podcast that you guys have. My heart really does go out to you and your family..... I can't imagine having to go through the situation that you all have been thrown into. My prayers are with you all. Please just know and realize that there's an entire world out here that love all of you and are praying and wishing for the best in days to come for you and your family. ❤❤❤❤
I agree. She should’ve got the death penalty as she as a mother killed her own babies.
Yea! Why not. Killing people is getting easier. Just watched ‘Pretty Lies & Alibies’ on what Lori will expect in prison. Good!
I'm glad you are seeing this you are right lorie does know everything she is doing I listen to Meagan Connor she is very truthfully about all lorie has done she is very honest more people should listen to her
What a wonderful young lady, she has been the most insightful voice from Lori daybell s family.
Rex, my heart breaks for you and your family. Lori is a narcissist so I was not shocked by her delusional speech. Much continued Healing for all affected. 🙏💙🇨🇦
Thanks Justin. 🌞
That speech was absolutely infuriating and still to this day shows no remorse and no emotion except for herself. Personality Disorders are there since a very young age. Looking back at many things she said and did way before meeting Chad makes her personality disorder evident.
She's a viscous murderer. And her brother was her co-conspirator for years. So was Chad.
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thank you Justin & Rex!!
I’m so sorry for everyone in both families, but I hope the end of this chapter will bring renewed spirits, recovery, & rest to all.
Rex, you seem to be so balanced even though you and your family have been through a four year nightmare. Thank you so much for speaking out and being willing to be interviewed. You have no idea how you are helping all the rest of us to process through this incredible unfolding story! Thank you so much! Praying for you and your family through all of this
Lori is one bizarre lady! The nerve to give that speech in the courthouse!😮
Rex is absolutely right, Lori will continue to stick to her belief system, that’s why she keeps smiling and saying the things she does. I’m a member of the LDS faith living in Germany and I have been following the trial and of course the sentencing this week. How anyone can distort the faith so much, especially while going to the temple, is pure evil!
My heart breaks for these two beautiful children, for Tammy and for Charles. I’m sure there is more to come in the Arizona trials, until everything is said and done there will be no closure.
Mormonism in Deutschland auch? Doch nicht‼️‼️ It’s a SATANIC CULT. Read the last chapter of Revelation where God says no man is to add or subtract anything from HIS word. And in the book of Samuel Saul goes to see the witch of Endor because he wants to know the future. God becomes VERY angry and strictly prohibits such activity. Praying to or for the dead? ?? WICKED. Please please please go to any Lutheran church in Germany, or what I believe they call the Free church but get out of Mormonism. I learned German as a child and can still read my grammas gothic print Bible so Ich werde fur dich beten. Ich habe verwandte in Stuttgart.
It was creepy hearing her state church doctrine in such a perverse way
She took church doctrine to a new level of crazy . I can't believe the church still allows Melanie Gibb into their flock & Temple attendance presently .Lori's not mentally ill she's brainwashed to the 10th degree .
I wish Judge Boyce would have made Lori sit up and unfold her arms. Her body language throughout the trial was so disrespectful.
Summer needs to stop pushing that Joe Ryan abused Tylee complete BS
Her & Colby, sadly
Exactly I agree!
Absolutely!
The devil lives in Lori .
Her statement is typical of narcissistic collapse. Even at the end they don't take responsibility. She looks the part. Prison eyebrows. Prison mop on her head. The Good Lord will bring peace to your family.
And no more of the good skin care products
She's already looking like the arizona sun worshipping native mother of hers. and brad pitt I'm not but sheesh..
Personality Disorders, which both Lori and Alex had, develop in childhood. Something is very off with their parents and their upbringing.
Exactly this started from childhood. I certainly blame the parents….not responsible parents.
Alex was completely controlled by Lori! How that came about is a mystery. He goes & shoots at Tylees Dad to protect her, then he ends up being involved in her murder. WTH! 👺
There has been speculation that their relationship was perhaps more than it should have been, ie inappropriate. That's the hold she had over him. But it's only speculation. No family members have spoken about that as far as I know.
Absolutely disgusting statement by Lori..she knew exactly what she was doing and what she had to do to get away with it. Let’s not forget that Alex was also a serial killer and made conscious decisions about the murders and attempted murder.. this isn’t mental illness.. it’s delusional religious beliefs. Their religion gives them the belief that they can be gods.. and as active members of the LDS Church in good standing.. they were so “sane” that they didn’t even raise alarm bells within the church that they were attending daily.
Great points!!
Yeah if you dig into what the LDS believe it's some really out there stuff.
Hear, hear!!! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼❤
I heard that they were ex communicated from the church
It isn't delusional religious beliefs. It is THESE PEOPLE, PERIOD. Stop shifting blame onto something else.
When my BIL and nephew were murdered, the killers mother publicly apologized to our entire family. She didn't have to do it, but she was so devastated by the fact that her son could have committed such a horrendous act, she felt it was her place! It showed us her true contempt for his act! I am yet to hear this from the Coxes! It's not their place, but it would go a long way in healing for so many people. Instead they write books and start podcasts.
Very good point.
How do the family feel towards melanie p now? Knowing she was into all this and that she had pretty much agreed to kill at least one of her own kids from text messages between her and Lori....???!! Or have they brushed that under the carpet as well until she does something horrific at some point?!?
Very good question!
So pleased to find a few(very few) others who feel as I do. There is still a lot of fishy stuff that they won’t talk about and Rex thinking he can help other people is beyond ridiculous.
I believe Mel P is a younger version of Lori. She should never have custody of her children & doesn’t she also have a special needs child.
@sadiehughes6972 melanie G has an Autistic child, I'm not aware of Melanie p having a special needs child though, I could be wrong. But based on the text messages alone between her and Lori etc she was conspiring to murder her child ( children) not to mention kill off her husband at the time Brandon......so how isn't she facing by charges I just can not Fathom it
I think all of America was disgusted by her statement. I can only imagine how her victims felt. It was one shockingly disgusting sentence after another. From her quoting Scripture to calling Tammy her friend. Lori thought she would get the last word, but thankfully Judge Boyce had the last word.
I agree... someone who is “mentally ill” would see NO reason to hide any of her actions... a personality disorder is NOT a mental illness.
Exactly!
What a great interview! Rex has been amazing throughout this trial, and has really helped give us a glimpse into the family dynamic. He is real, seems completely honest, and as devastated by what has happened as the rest of us. Thank you Justin for continuing to being us great interviews! You are amazing and I’ll be following your every word as the next chapters in this saga are read.
Personally - i think all that BS she spewed yesterday was taking direct digs at Kay and Larry and others by saying that she could still communicate with JJ and Tylee. Its just one more way for her to prove that she still has ultimate control. JMO
I agree. Her statement was all about control & wanting to hurt Kay even more $1.000,000 more. She still wants the money.
Although Summer is greatly affected by the actions of Lori, there is something about her dismissiveness, an odd haughtiness and a constant throwing shade at others who cannot defend themselves. Lori, Mel P, Janice and Summer have this odd way of expressing themselves that I find most disingenuous and haughty. You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can NOT fool all of the people all of the time. When the finger pointing stops, blaming others stops, then a true healing and new peace will result. You can’t put smoke back into a cigarette….it is futile. Lori opened Pandora’s box.
WoW! Exactly my thoughts, I could've not put it better into words!
I thought Joseph Ryan was cleared of those allegations, Lori still spouting it and so is Summer.
& so is Colby. While he still keeps his last name
Colby' s claims of s.a. were proven impossible and Tylee never claim s a. I was so sad and angry for what Lori was allowed to put out to the world, people will hear without the reality/ truth to it.
Did anyone else notice that when Lori made her statement and pointed out her relatives/loved ones that she communicates with from the afterlife that her brother/co-conspiartor, Alex was not mentioned to be one of those? Hmmmm! 🤔🤔🤔 Does that mean that she doesn't see him in heaven? Freudian slip?
Rex makes an excellent point about the value of good journalism. Justin has been an example of keeping the case going, as, of course, has Nate Eaton. Then there are the great UA-camrs who kept us aware and informed. We cherish our free press! 🇺🇸❤️
Disagree. Charles was asking for help and his concern wasn't just for himself. It was for Lori too. The cops totally failed him and are at least partially responsible for his death.