The Monitor For Cheaters

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  • Опубліковано 15 січ 2024
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  • @Mr.N0B0DY.
    @Mr.N0B0DY. 5 місяців тому +280

    Instruction: let's create a way to monitor cheaters
    Engineers: here you go, a monitor for cheaters

    • @Venomx-nb1jr
      @Venomx-nb1jr 4 місяці тому +3

      Because cheating sells. It’s more or less like prostitution. It’s a technically illegal way to achieve a form of pleasure.

    • @kyletremblay5295
      @kyletremblay5295 3 місяці тому +1

      This comment is so underrated

    • @rafaelmarkos4489
      @rafaelmarkos4489 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@Venomx-nb1jrAre you trying to imply that sex work is morally analogous to cheating in competitive scenarios?
      I can see the legal similarities, but morally the two are fairly far apart.

    • @beckham3533
      @beckham3533 Місяць тому

      @@rafaelmarkos4489both are shunned upon by society 🤷‍♂️

    • @rafaelmarkos4489
      @rafaelmarkos4489 Місяць тому +1

      @@beckham3533 That depends on what your social circle is - mine is fairly supportive of sex work as a profession. Yours seems to trend more conservative.

  • @originaldarkwater
    @originaldarkwater 5 місяців тому +446

    Linus proposing a dystopian surveillance nightmare for all gamers in order to prevent cheating...

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel 5 місяців тому +104

      Which wouldn't solve cheating anyway

    • @Blaze6108
      @Blaze6108 5 місяців тому +20

      TBH I think if AI gets bad enough that whole 'trusted computing' schtick will get quite attractive by comparison.

    • @ForOne814
      @ForOne814 5 місяців тому +40

      I mean, he is Canadian.

    • @T0ghar
      @T0ghar 5 місяців тому +27

      Probably easier to include cheat manufacturing and distribution under industrial sabotage, which it is basically (destroying many smaller game companies) and give the guys a nice 8-12y.

    • @ForOne814
      @ForOne814 5 місяців тому +9

      @@T0ghar I will gladly start developing cheats then, being on an American wanted list is a sign of prestige where I live.

  • @SaHaRaSquad
    @SaHaRaSquad 5 місяців тому +267

    Probably the only cheat detection that's viable in the long term is analyzing the behaviour of a player on the server side. For example checking for possible reactions of the player to things that should be invisible to them. Especially with AI anything on the client side becomes useless.
    Iirc one online shooter already does some tricks with fake enemies that look and move like players but are hidden from sight, so any player attacking them can be flagged as wallhacker etc.

    • @qunas101
      @qunas101 5 місяців тому +62

      So, like Valve wants to implement their new VAC? Analyse players with an AI on server side. But everyone keeps crying about current cheater problem and begs Valve to implement kernel-level spyware, that would not even solve the issue in the future

    • @reD_Bo0n
      @reD_Bo0n 5 місяців тому +10

      So true.
      Wasn't there a CoD cheat for PS, which uses Image Recognition to find the enemy head and then sends controller input to the console?
      How would you detect that with an Cleint-side Anti-Cheat, it's valid input, just not by a human.
      And thee modern web delivers the best training data for such a Neural Network.
      Just grab Pro players gameplay on Twitch and your cheat should behave more or less like them

    • @tdring10681
      @tdring10681 5 місяців тому +8

      this is one of the ways that it has been done to detect map hacks in Starcraft
      if they have a m ap hack you can see them click at random points on the map but they dont have vision so it's super obvious

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel 5 місяців тому +34

      ​@@tdring10681I think your spacebar is broken

    • @tdring10681
      @tdring10681 5 місяців тому +8

      @@sunbleachedangel it is im saving for a nice wooting I just don't have enough yet

  • @matyi10012
    @matyi10012 5 місяців тому +420

    I dont play multiplayer PVP games anymore, well at least for many years now. I am just exhausted of the cheating in games. And it is not just cheating anymore, it is blatant rampant cheating and they basically do it in the purpose of ruining others game.

    • @zaiquiri1799
      @zaiquiri1799 5 місяців тому +24

      Facts my friend. Not worth the headache anymore.

    • @jmtradbr
      @jmtradbr 5 місяців тому +9

      I also don't play, but it's because is stressing

    • @Madnessnunky
      @Madnessnunky 5 місяців тому +66

      It's not even always about cheating for me, but the matchmaking, "skill gap" where 24/7 "pro gamers" party up and you get slotted in with noobs. It's basically a cheat code, like in League or HotS for instance. You want to practice a new role or play slightly off meta? Here's a triple diamond Grandmaster with his main for you! And his four buddies!!! It gets frustrating when the ONLY way to play is so heavily meta-centric and "spreadsheet" style that simply wanting to "have fun" with your game is almost a bannable offense.🤣

    • @ChrisRobinsonutah
      @ChrisRobinsonutah 5 місяців тому +34

      @@Madnessnunky "Given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun out of a game."

    • @ToyotaCharlie
      @ToyotaCharlie 5 місяців тому +15

      and if it's not cheating then it's the toxicity

  • @1337GameDev
    @1337GameDev 5 місяців тому +52

    19:31 - With ai processing in the monitor -- you likely can upload/modify the AI so it can highlight things on screen -- eg: change zones to be higher/lower contrast, etc as well as increasing borders or even MINOR color changes so YOU can see things better based on personalized tests....

  • @mikejanson3052
    @mikejanson3052 5 місяців тому +157

    I wonder how good a VR experience would be with displays like this

    • @ckledzeppelin
      @ckledzeppelin 5 місяців тому +12

      robocop targeting

    • @SolidSt8Dj
      @SolidSt8Dj 5 місяців тому +4

      If the bigscreen beyond and PSVR2 are anything to go by, then I'd say it'll be excellent

    • @woubulbus
      @woubulbus 5 місяців тому +5

      If the VR market only wasn't so neglected. My phone has a better display than my VR headset that uses less power and more than likely weighs less.

    • @Gatorz_Gaming
      @Gatorz_Gaming 5 місяців тому +4

      @@woubulbusbecuse it takes a lot of prosessing to calculate position for your controller tracking

    • @nathanaelniklaus2981
      @nathanaelniklaus2981 5 місяців тому

      could not processing happen external, like a box transmitting the desired signal? Thinking about the new TV that is wireless@@Gatorz_Gaming

  • @Micromation
    @Micromation 5 місяців тому +95

    The best part about 4k resolution is that it perfectly displays 1080p when you need to fall back on it to achieve higher framerates. I like 1440p as native but if I have to use upscalling, because apparently it's not possible to make optimized game in 2023-2024 then it gets iffy - upscaling not that great at lower resolutions unfortunately.

    • @woubulbus
      @woubulbus 5 місяців тому +21

      This is why I'm pretty excited for the 4k/1080p switching refreshrate/resolution monitors to become mainstream.

    • @Jakob3xD
      @Jakob3xD 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@woubulbus bro they just came out.... thats far from mainstream

    • @woubulbus
      @woubulbus 5 місяців тому +8

      @@Jakob3xD yes. i know this...?

    • @TheGreatMcPain
      @TheGreatMcPain 5 місяців тому +3

      ​@@woubulbus Same, I've started to notice some TVs already do this. I personally haven't tested it yet, but the Hisense U8K apparently can do 1080p 240hz or 4k 144hz.

    • @ToreOnYouTube
      @ToreOnYouTube 5 місяців тому +4

      Ah yes, I too love PPI of 50! 😅

  • @Artista_Frustrado
    @Artista_Frustrado 4 місяці тому +25

    out of all the ideas to counter the Cheater Monitor & Linus had to think the most dystopian one

    • @ShaykNBlake
      @ShaykNBlake 3 місяці тому +1

      I mean...he isnt wrong...

  • @roberteltze4850
    @roberteltze4850 5 місяців тому +18

    Camera pointed at hands and monitor? Footpedals and an extra monitor out of view.

    • @Voyajer.
      @Voyajer. 4 місяці тому

      Yeah, take a look at what students managed to do to cheat online tests during covid. A camera isn't going to do anything.

  • @arkie87
    @arkie87 5 місяців тому +13

    so bring shroud back with linus on the OLED and shroud on 60 Hz, 120Hz, 144Hz, etc...

  • @FreakGene
    @FreakGene 5 місяців тому +26

    I mean this is technically the next level in cheating on monitors, as there is already a lot of games that don't have built in aiming reticles, yet we have a lot of monitors now that can display one on screen. I know I've seen one game that has said 3rd party reticles, or reticle overlays are bannable. But I mean thats always kind of been undetecable in the way someone could slap a transparent sticky note on their screen.

    • @TwinShards
      @TwinShards 5 місяців тому +9

      I'm fine with crosshair add-on built in the monitor as the gameplay impact is negligeable but the one Linus talked about would be ruining some games for sure.

    • @AlexanderTheAverage
      @AlexanderTheAverage 5 місяців тому +21

      In my opinion, games should never have gotten rid of the crosshair. Monitors just had to add it back in.

    • @TheNewton
      @TheNewton 5 місяців тому +7

      pfffffft try and catch me with my scotch tape and thread putting a grid on the screen so I can measure cross map axe throws

    • @CheezMonsterCrazy
      @CheezMonsterCrazy 5 місяців тому +5

      Yeah, people were using scotch tape and a pen on their screens as far back as the late 90s for no-scoping and quickscoping in FPS. Always gonna be that subset of people finding some way to get an advantage other than practicing at the game.

    • @jefmoesy
      @jefmoesy 5 місяців тому +1

      In tarkov that reticle is useless anyway since your gun sways and always shoots where it is pointing at, so not the center of the screen, but with the low time to kill seeing enemies with this wallhack that works as soon as someone is in your field of view would be really unfair for the people who dont want to play with cheats, as long as the non cheaters and cheaters have seperate lobby's i wont have anything against cheating though, then it's fair again.

  • @Wynkrs
    @Wynkrs 5 місяців тому +10

    For real though, I've slo Mo recorded my cheap 165hz monitor and you are pretty much seeing 3 frames at any given time. It'll be a minute until I'm out of college and can afford something better but I want that pixel response time / low persistance so bad now.

  • @TigerWon
    @TigerWon 3 місяці тому +3

    Linus team needs to do a new video on how much we can actually perceive in regards to fps. Maybe even add OLED compared to LCD. Still a huge misconception that the human eye can only see up to 60fps as if our eye is digital

    • @CitizenTechTalk
      @CitizenTechTalk Місяць тому

      Most high refresh rate monitors give you the placebo effect yeah? Higher resolution though is a different conversation up to 1440p. 4K is a literal scam for motion graphics and eye detection. 60-120 FPS (depending on eye age) and max resolution 1440p for motion graphics. Simple and scientifically proven. Really good comment mate! LMG aren't the most professional tech channel either. Gamers Nexus for actual and real facts only.

  • @gemstone7818
    @gemstone7818 5 місяців тому +5

    we have known for a year now that OLED monitors have the lowest response time and the lowest ghosting, outpacing any LED monitor

  • @NavyDood21
    @NavyDood21 5 місяців тому +54

    This just highlights why I wont play anything online for the most part. Because people will do ANYTHING they can to make a casual game miserable for everyone else. Its like having a guy show up to a poker game between friends and act like they are on some damn Vegas tournament table. I really hope shit like this doesnt take off, but I know that is just setting myself up for extreme disappointment.

    • @ryoukaip
      @ryoukaip 5 місяців тому +7

      so true, single player games ftw

  • @jjames267
    @jjames267 5 місяців тому +1

    When it comes to the ambient light sensors you mentioned. Wouldn't you want the extremely bright image to hit you when your eyes aren't adjusted because that's how bright things actually hit your eyes? That would make it more realistic. We just need all scenes and parts of the image in rendering, cameras, post production, and displays (the entire process) to be calibrated to the actual brightness that they are in the real world. So, an interior scene would be just like you see in your house or at the bank. But then, when you go outside you are hit with sunlight when the ground is covered in snow and have to wait for your eyes to adjust. No dynamic brightness. Per-pixel lighting. Per-color phosphor (or whatever tech is being used) lighting.

  • @bhuntin08
    @bhuntin08 4 місяці тому +2

    If that monitor got support for World of Warcraft you would effectively get those addons back that blizz intentionally broke back during wrath of the lich king... The ones that would draw on screen where to stand for certain parts of boss encounters.

  • @wotterthose4511
    @wotterthose4511 5 місяців тому +7

    so can you just make a shroud around the screens so they have the same visible dimensions as each other and just adjust the resolution and image position so it appears within the shroud? that way you could do a blind test

  • @georgeindestructible
    @georgeindestructible 5 місяців тому

    13:38 the game literally flashes the entire outer part of the screen with a red fading transparent color layer when you are getting low on heath, you just can't control the ration of when that happens of course.

  • @joshuashear8664
    @joshuashear8664 5 місяців тому +5

    While something like this probably wouldn’t be detectable, future AI “enhancements” definitely could. If the AI is using sound to show someone behind a wall so you can wall bang them and you do so consistently, that is something that could be tracked. Companies are also working on server side AI anticheat to detect when various cheats are active through player behavior making stuff like this potentially detectable in the future.

    • @FlashySenap
      @FlashySenap 4 місяці тому

      As an Anti-cheat developer meantioned. AI might be a good tool but is at least for a forseeable future not able to quickly resolve cheating. Anti-cheat models are super expensive and despite what many people think, its a lot of manual labour, rather than a system detecting cheats and banning accordingly. There is an AI anti-cheat in the process and they claim it can accurately detect like 98 percent or something... Problem is that it needs to be a 99.9999 percent for anti-cheat devs to consider it viable. as thats their error of margine. and the escalation would then probably be cheat developers creating AI cheats that can fool the anti-cheat AI.

  • @kingminor
    @kingminor 5 місяців тому +6

    I love watching the LMG clips, especially the moments I got to see live on the wan show!

  • @Leodigarius
    @Leodigarius 5 місяців тому +13

    Just putting this out there, modern cheats are lazy. Years ago, there was a massive push from cheat creators to make the fastest aimbot in the world, and the winner of that was 187ci for Call of Duty 4. You could tell who had the "good cheats" versus the "normal cheats" because of how fast it was, the fact that it would DDOS the RCON so admins couldn't ban players easily or quickly, and was rather expensive. It also required a fair bit of setup to do.
    Now, cheat companies have zero pride in their work and the only thing they care about is staying ahead of anti cheat just enough to tell people it's currently undetected. Even then, users are usually stupid and just activate everything without caring and get banned. Smart cheaters that only choose specific options that are unlikely to be commonly caught are the ones doing the most damage because they are there long term.
    This is why I no longer play PVP games. It's just a shitty experience.

    • @Rexhunterj
      @Rexhunterj 5 місяців тому +3

      Escape from Tarkov just added the ability to view the user profile of the person who killed you, this has exposed a huge amount of the 'soft cheater' you are describing. People buying cheats and using the least egregious ones and playing 'carefully' these people have THOUSANDS of hours in Tarkov, this means they have been cheating for several years or stolen an account that has been playing for several years (which is even more scummy)
      The thing is in CoD or CSGO if you die thats fine there's always the respawn/round to look forward to, in Tarkov you spend 10 minutes gearing up in the lobby, go into a match, run for 10 minutes and die to a cheater you had no hope of ever beating because they were perfectly positioned with the correct gun and ammo for the job. The nyou look at their stats and sigh with misery and close the game.

  • @livipup
    @livipup 5 місяців тому

    What monitor are they talking about at the start? I tried looking up Samsung 360hz OLED gaming monitor, but I was getting a lot of different results.

  • @krank23
    @krank23 5 місяців тому +8

    Here's how old I am: When someone talks about "gaming" I still primarily think of single player games first. The kind of hypercompetitive networked multiplayer gaming some people seem to have as their first association is for me like distant second, maybe even third. I never really got into PvP gaming and I'm still a bit salty the multiplayer bros that invaded the hobby first around Quake and then later with Halo and Cod kind of… won.

  • @pieterrossouw8596
    @pieterrossouw8596 5 місяців тому +7

    Well if game servers had better matchmaking, I'd never have to play against people with paid software or hardware cheat tools. They'd just be in the faux godlike bracket and I'd be in a bracket with people who don't use these things. Serverside analysis of inputs should be used to help bracketing. Let the people who consistently take

    • @jyrolys6
      @jyrolys6 5 місяців тому +2

      You're proposing difficult solutions with tons of negative side effects, primarily queue times. You can't be strict with stats based matchmaking. Yes good players sometimes play modes other than ranked. Also aimbotters are a small minority among cheaters, so the whole playerbase would suffer for a small dent in reducing hackers encountering average people.

    • @FlashySenap
      @FlashySenap 4 місяці тому +1

      @@jyrolys6 Not to forget the fact that smurfing happens a lot. I remember playing siege back when I was a beginner. It had a "Newcomer" playlist for people who were below a certain level and most of the matches were smurfs and cheaters who had to re-level another account in order to play ranked. Tho the level of cheating feels like it has increased a lot as of late. Tho where cheating is mostly felt is in the higher ranked brackets. Really good players report experience of blatant cheaters 3 out 5 matches (aimbot, phasing through walls, flying etc).

    • @FlashySenap
      @FlashySenap 4 місяці тому

      When cheaters gets banned, they just get a new account and have to go through the beginners and casuals until they hit the high bracket again, only to get banned again and redo the process. Smurfs are also a thing, as well as throwing to get to lower skilled player pools. And as mentioned, you can't have too strict matchmaking as it would make que times way too long and it would not be fun for anyone if they would have to sweat every game. Proper flow is to mix and match to give new and casual players a challenge and experience, and older players some breathing room to just play. and before anyone mentions it. same thing goes for new players and casuals. While it might seem unfair or bad, its creates that state of flow that keeps players engaged and they keep playing more. But it all wary depending on games. Casual modes are more lenient, ranked might be a bit more strict. cheaters will be prevalent on all levels but usually more common in higher skilled matches as they climb up there much quicker.

  • @Korack
    @Korack 5 місяців тому

    Nvidea solution to the motion clarity, might be IA clarity reconstruction, available only on 50 series card with dlss 4.0

  • @derstreber2
    @derstreber2 3 місяці тому

    Would this work to do a blind compare of two differently sized monitors? Play game in windowed mode and have a covering in front that is the size of the window. Pick a window size that will fit onto both monitors.

  • @daddydangerous20
    @daddydangerous20 4 місяці тому +2

    Please do a full in depth video on that monitor with regular people and also pros like shroud. Have them get aim labs scores and stuff so we can have metrics to actually compare how good this monitor is.

  • @georgeindestructible
    @georgeindestructible 5 місяців тому +2

    16:01 Yeah right as if anyone could be persuaded to allow for that and buying hardware because a company made a way to to cheat in a minor way but certainly an easier one, but mostly importantly otherwise virtually undetectable.

  • @MinorLG
    @MinorLG 4 місяці тому

    I remember back in the halo 2 days, of running a modded lobbies, and specifically naming the game mode a custom name, so that it would bypass the ban filter. Back in those days, if you search for a game mode of glitch, 90% of the time it was a modded lobby.

  • @Slidezy
    @Slidezy Місяць тому

    I use a Neo g9 super ultrawide for gaming. It's not an advantage over a 27-in monitor, but it's way more immersive. And playing on it on PC is still a large enough advantage over console on a 27 in. + I can run my console into the monitor as well as my PC, put them on their own 27-in screens. And essentially play split screen with two monitors if I have a friend over.

  • @OldPoi77
    @OldPoi77 5 місяців тому +2

    I would love to see a new CRT company bring out a nice widescreen high refresh 4k CRT. These flat screens are sooo dead.

  • @floor.mp3
    @floor.mp3 4 місяці тому +1

    Yeah no I 100% agree with this. I haven't tried this particular monitor, but I went from a 165hz monitor to a 360hz one and let me tell you, oh my god, it's crazy. I tried CS2, Apex legends and Fortnite on it and I just couldn't miss, it's insane! And people say yeah you can't really feel a difference above 240hz, so I tried that as well, and you definitely can tell the difference.

  • @ggwp638BC
    @ggwp638BC 5 місяців тому +2

    20:20 - Or.... Riot can just ban people using that monitor. Simply consider it cheating software and banhammer on them. The monitor is visible to the system, it's not hard to do it. And sure, you can bypass this most likely, but if they just advertise that they are banning anyone using that monitor the sales will tank and manufacturers won't put it in their systems anymore.

  • @themomaw
    @themomaw 5 місяців тому +3

    All the incremental improvements on TVs was just nonsense. Literally the only thing in displays that looked relevant and interesting to me was Sharp's prototype of emissive quantum dots. I don't care how good OLED gets as long as it has burn-in problems, I'm not going to pay premium tech prices for disposable products. Emissive quantum dots promises to actually fix the problem that OLED has instead of just "Hey look our OLED is 25% brighter than last year".

    • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
      @CallMeRabbitzUSVI 5 місяців тому +1

      This exactly, too much money for ehat will be trash in a few years

  • @Addaam1337
    @Addaam1337 4 місяці тому

    I commented on that comparing player performance across different refresh rates, the dynamic range is so important in eliciting an action potential in the eye. I think I called it.

  • @robertt9342
    @robertt9342 5 місяців тому

    That bright IRL reflection, I doubt you can see much detail in the shadows.

  • @R3_Live
    @R3_Live 5 місяців тому

    i know next to nothing about monitors and color profiles and stuff but I do have an HDR monitor. I keep the HDR setting off because whenever I turn it on, everything becomes washed out and murky and gross looking. The vibrancy disappears and it's like I'm watching through a fog.

    • @Rexhunterj
      @Rexhunterj 5 місяців тому +3

      That's because nearly no games actually are designed for real HDR, they simulate HDR on the GPU shader level with some math to stretch out the colours to prevent banding.

  • @cruzergg
    @cruzergg 2 місяці тому

    Have you experienced ELMB sync Linus? I wonder if it’s comparable to that monitor

  • @juances
    @juances 5 місяців тому +12

    IMO you have to consider that gaming as a whole has grown. There are more cheaters because there are more people playing overall. It's impossible to truly meassure but if we talked in percentages, I don't think the % of cheaters vs the % of legit players has moved that much.

    • @SelecaoOfMidas
      @SelecaoOfMidas 4 місяці тому

      Recent credible survey shows that a small majority of gamers have used or currently use cheats. So, I'm not sure if that blows up the perception or not, but it should give you pause.

  • @B1u35ky
    @B1u35ky 5 місяців тому +1

    When I got my lg c2 first thing I watched was lotr and the hobbit. Incredible in hdr

  • @jbp7005
    @jbp7005 5 місяців тому +5

    9:55 If I’m playing a singleplayer game that has a real emphasis on visuals and immersion, for example Cyberpunk 2077, I always use my Samsung S95B. There really is no beating the immersion you get on a big 4K TV.

    • @loganricherson3749
      @loganricherson3749 5 місяців тому +1

      I have wrist issues so I don't play with keyboard and mouse much anymore, but I especially don't for high immersive games for that reason. I much prefer just sitting on the couch with a controller and a big tv than being right in front of a monitor

    • @jefmoesy
      @jefmoesy 5 місяців тому

      ​@@loganricherson3749As long as that TV has a response time of 1-5ms, everytime i play at family or friends i always have to adjust to the input delay since at home my mid/high end built has no noticable delay, my skills can be allot higher when there isnt like half a second delay when u press a button before something on screen happens. But people rather have a big screen with high input delay then a smaller one for same price that works like a gaming monitor.

  • @MyxeQ
    @MyxeQ 5 місяців тому +2

    Redo the Pro Gamer vs Blind Hrz comparison to see if your top player still get a higher ceiling from this new tech like they did with high refresh monitors in the past.

  • @nelsing1978
    @nelsing1978 5 місяців тому

    I find t hat 34" ultrawide is nice for gaming (granted i only had it a few weeks before that my main was a 32"). Most of the time the sides of the screen are rather pointless since i tend to hyperfocus when i play shooter games. But the extra space is great in so many games.

    • @rundown132
      @rundown132 5 місяців тому

      32" is the perfect middleground

  • @darkbot081
    @darkbot081 4 місяці тому +1

    I really don't understand the cheatness of the features. It's not like monitor giving you information that you can't have normally. As Linus said it's info from players minimap

  • @PavelPirogov
    @PavelPirogov 5 місяців тому +1

    IPS 27" 1440P 144Hz VRR HDR. I was pretty happy with it before I saw new OLED's

  • @zornig2012
    @zornig2012 5 місяців тому

    Is it just me that can access the Wan show gear link?

  • @MsHojat
    @MsHojat 5 місяців тому +2

    If you want immersion you should just use a VR headset and play on a virtual monitor. And it's not like anyone is looking to be competitive while being immersed.
    I don't see the cheating monitor to be much of an issue. It points out what we can already see and most likely notice. Although I suppose mini-map stuff might sometimes be a bit hard to notice for some people. Might still help gaming more than hinder considering that this tech would be really useful for those with visual disabilities.
    And is hacking really easier than ever? I guess he's talking about cheating on an account that has no other games attached to it, and not registered with a phone number? Because otherwise they could lose all their other games couldn't they? Back in the day there was no Steam, and paid hacks were rare or non-existant. For that matter many games had little-to-no anti-hacking measures, and there were even essentially official hacking servers too(ex. Diablo).

    • @Wuerschtle
      @Wuerschtle 5 місяців тому +1

      You dont lose your games and youdont lose your account. You can get VAC banned, meaning you wont be able to play online any longer with that account but thats about it. Since most esports titles are free to play or extremely cheap, its not that hard to create a new account once in a while. Some games have implemented certain hurdles like having to play for an amount of time before being allowed online, but that doesnt help against many people.

  • @colmustard5683
    @colmustard5683 5 місяців тому

    Most games already have a screen change something or other when low heath...

  • @key099able
    @key099able 5 місяців тому

    Linus, I just played Evil West yesterday on my S95B and the lights where so bright my eyes hurt, tv's do not need to get brighter.

  • @Jayme
    @Jayme 5 місяців тому +1

    I love my Dell 25" 1440p monitors. I don't think I'll ever go bigger or higher res.

    • @pieterrossouw8596
      @pieterrossouw8596 5 місяців тому

      Ever is a long time... I was happy for years with my 1600x900 21" el cheapo 60Hz display because my GTX 1080 ripped any game on it. I considered 27", then looked at 32" and finally got a good deal on a 35" 3440x1440 120Hz monitor. I'm glad I didn't settle at e.g. 27". Ultra wide might not be everyone's cup of tea but it so is mine between gaming and coding.

  • @tavern.keeper
    @tavern.keeper 5 місяців тому +4

    It reminds me of putting a dot on the TV screen when speed running Golden Eye.

  • @leoSaunders
    @leoSaunders 5 місяців тому

    MEG 321URX QD-OLED & SkySight
    confusing. there seems to be the terminology SkySight and ?AI? SkyLight

  • @zahidshabir4038
    @zahidshabir4038 5 місяців тому +9

    that cheating monitor would be expensive

    • @SaHaRaSquad
      @SaHaRaSquad 5 місяців тому +6

      And yet it might still be cheaper in the long run as cheat software nowadays requires monthly subscription payments.

    • @Rexhunterj
      @Rexhunterj 5 місяців тому +8

      Dudes pay $400 for cheats every month on most games, they dont care if the monitor is gonna cost them $1000.

  • @alancrome3684
    @alancrome3684 4 місяці тому

    The only game I could see that could be a subscription based model are games that wipe.. If you lose everything then I wouldn't mind, paying for one wipe of tarkov, taking a break, then buying back in later down the line.. That would be dope. Meanwhile here I am with my $150 EOD tarkov acc that I haven't played on in 3 years xD (Played like 1.5 wipes)

    • @kmkbedsr7
      @kmkbedsr7 Місяць тому

      Same brother...
      Same

  • @HonestAuntyElle
    @HonestAuntyElle 4 місяці тому

    Thought this video must have been 6 years old. GSync Pulsar doesn't seem new? This is what geeks were geeking out about as soon as gsync came out... I remember because it's why i bought into gsync in the first place. But maybe it was fixed hz

  • @DMSBrian24
    @DMSBrian24 4 місяці тому

    I had this idea years ago but ofc it was not viable to implement at the time. I suspected with time such cheating methods would pick up and kill many competitive games. You could do the same thing with audio in e.g. CS to reliably predict and display enemy positions.

  • @cadenchurchill4296
    @cadenchurchill4296 5 місяців тому +6

    Solution to rid cheating with gaming monitors - ban playing video games with a display!

  • @CasepbX
    @CasepbX 5 місяців тому +10

    Took a while but monitors are finally catching up to CRT.

    • @kennyoffhenny
      @kennyoffhenny 5 місяців тому

      I’ve heard that before. What makes CRT still competitive with even cutting edge WOLEDS or QD-OLEDS?

    • @pieterrossouw8596
      @pieterrossouw8596 5 місяців тому +2

      CRT monitors only still exist so that you can tell less hardcore gamers about your CRT monitor.

    • @ValenceFlux
      @ValenceFlux 5 місяців тому

      And so the equation grows in possibility only to try and once again reach simplification hmmm yes.

  • @KiwiClawDHA
    @KiwiClawDHA 4 місяці тому +2

    27 inches as a small monitor >.>

  • @jashelps
    @jashelps 5 місяців тому +1

    Half a year ago or so an ai aimbot cheat software came out that only needs to see the video source and was very accurate. People that can use these are using these and often going undetected since well realistically nothing wrong is happening.
    Online multiplayer pvp games are going to really really really strugglenquite soon where instead of skill it will be who has the better hacks.
    Older games like for example dragonball xenoverse 2 have this issue where you can just mod charachters to have stuff they can't/ shouldnt have and its just not fixable so people started splitting off.
    Old shooters like quakr, unreal,... all have plentybof easy hacks making it never clear if someone is GOOD or cheat good

  • @IronJoeHorn
    @IronJoeHorn 5 місяців тому +1

    32 inches is too big for a monitor for me. But I'm cosidering going from 4k to that 1440 monitor

    • @CitizenTechTalk
      @CitizenTechTalk Місяць тому +1

      I know you think that for sure and if I was still on a 27" high refresh rate 144hz 1440p monitor I'd totally agree with you! BUT I upgraded last year to an ASUS TUF 32" curved. Monitor and with all the extras like shadow boost and HDR etc has completely changed my FPS gaming experience now!! At distance at 1440p you can see enemies so much better and in scenic games it's mind blowing! It's just a massive pity about the cheating now as it just makes catching cheaters massively more easy now as well. So a double edged sword for FPS games but a life changer for beautiful games with stunning graphics at the same time 😂. But yeah if you upgrade expect to catch cheaters WAY MORE than you do on a 27" as the glitches, walls and aim lock aim bot (especially in Valorant) become undeniablely obvious with the larger high quality monitor.

  • @PeteTheL337
    @PeteTheL337 5 місяців тому +1

    Asus is leaves the bar sad and broken.. "But but what about ELMB Sync.. did nobody care?"

  • @GeneralFuct
    @GeneralFuct 4 місяці тому

    I game on 42" oled and I can't go back to anything smaller.

  • @azuresflames2473
    @azuresflames2473 5 місяців тому +1

    Anti cheat with camera pointed at my mouse hand and monitoring the screen,
    Me: 2400 dpi with mouse acceleration

  • @TheIrisCZ
    @TheIrisCZ 4 місяці тому

    Apparently from the discussion on the podcast and the comments as well, I am in a tiny minority. But I LOVE 4K at smaller displays. In my eyes there is a huge difference between 1400p@27" and 5K@27" (already ancient LG Ultrafine). Despite the 5K panel being much worse in terms of image quality, the resolution and font clarity makes up for all the drawbacks including refresh rate and response times. Sure, not for gaming, but for work? Give me as dense display as you can and I am going to buy the s*** out of it.
    I guess the conclusion is - don't try to make a display that does everything. Give us something for work and something for fun. That way, you get, what you want for a price you can afford. If somebody started to sell 5K OLED 27-29" displays for computers, I would immediatelly buy three (or an ultrawide with equivalent resolution). Sometimes we get too stuck in a gamer POV (so do I with my OLED 4K@120Hz TV)

  • @svpracer98
    @svpracer98 5 місяців тому

    I have never been into PVP or team vs team games. I can't get my brain or coordination to work fast enough for it not to be a massive learning challenge.
    I'd much rather join a sim racing league and spend time learning a car and track combo.

  • @maweitao
    @maweitao 5 місяців тому +1

    A TV matching the intensity of a 100W light bulb would be bright enough to be uncomfortable. Visualizing it, I can't help but wonder about potential downsides. Like poorly calibrated content or ignorant consumers accidentally setting their TV to full blast and constantly blinding themselves.

    • @CheezMonsterCrazy
      @CheezMonsterCrazy 5 місяців тому

      Software could limit how much of the screen could be that bright at any given time. Hell, that might even be a requirement for basic function since these screens would need to draw so much power they'd trip a normal North American circuit breaker if they were lit up to 100% full blast over their entire surface. Look at how much juice that TCL TV sucked back from the wall.

  • @jaderey467
    @jaderey467 3 місяці тому +1

    bruh 27 inches inst even a small monitor its actually the absolute biggest I would consider for gaming

  • @Anna_Rae
    @Anna_Rae 4 місяці тому +1

    Its funny seeing people say 27 inches is the sweetspot. Meanwhile I play all my PC games on a 55 inch LG C1 lol

  • @matt0725
    @matt0725 5 місяців тому +2

    Hey MSI, what the fuck?

  • @Gabifuertes
    @Gabifuertes 4 місяці тому

    Yes! Force everyone to have a camera turned on! That'll work great! Except people could use similar technology on VR headsets!

  • @JP-hr3xq
    @JP-hr3xq 2 місяці тому

    4k+ makes sense for big displays but honestly if you have a 32" PC monitor, 1440P is fine. And if you have a 24" monitor, 1080P is sufficient.

  • @averysahara8852
    @averysahara8852 Місяць тому

    Linus forgot the term diminishing returns for so long here 😂

  • @Alorand
    @Alorand 5 місяців тому +11

    Here is my take as a person who hasn't played online multi-player in years: The real way that AI can help with cheating is by tracking when people stop having fun, or are frustrated.
    Then just isolate all people whose presence creates this effect.

    • @AstralDragn
      @AstralDragn 5 місяців тому +2

      I think theres too many possible reasons that could cojoin and mess up innocent players. Also means that you'd effectively diverge your playerbase into two, a competitive side and more casual side, even more so by what strats they may use, which is what Ranked is for usually...

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel 5 місяців тому +1

      Sure sounds like that's easy and would work and is practical

    • @CheezMonsterCrazy
      @CheezMonsterCrazy 5 місяців тому +1

      As someone who used to be really good at a very obscure game with a small community, I can assure you that would filter out anyone with an ounce of skill in addition to the cheaters lmao.

    • @altonb.1396
      @altonb.1396 5 місяців тому

      ​@@ceciliacole5098Ofc its more fun for u to cheat seeing as u have an advantage nobody else does😂

  • @Severice
    @Severice 4 місяці тому

    Backlight strobing sounds horrible. Its already been proven that the flickering effect of flourescent lighting causes eye strain, and i cant imagine this will be any better.

  • @playeronthebeat
    @playeronthebeat 4 місяці тому

    Does that mean that VMs will be allowed again?
    Would really help if you wouldn't get banned just for using a VM as your PC. Not everyone is using VMs for cheats.
    And if screens are this good, then it really doesn't matter what happens on the machine itself.

  • @Random-video
    @Random-video 5 місяців тому +1

    I got 300hz laptop It’s pretty awesome mad frames way over 300fps

    • @jefmoesy
      @jefmoesy 5 місяців тому

      I have 144 but most of my games are too heavy for my 3070ti to get to that, star citizen being the worst with 45-70 fps.

  • @primitifsound
    @primitifsound 4 місяці тому

    Can someone explain me what is Linus doing with his mouth at 16:13 lol

  • @lush1us
    @lush1us 5 місяців тому

    Think of this in any rts...

  • @geekmechanic1473
    @geekmechanic1473 5 місяців тому +3

    I could see how this could help people with vision problem be able to play games

  • @user-er4no6sb1v
    @user-er4no6sb1v 4 місяці тому

    Im Rockin a Hp monitor from Goodwill

  • @bpdmf2798
    @bpdmf2798 4 місяці тому

    Brightness war!?
    Am I the only one who has my tv one lowest brightness setting and using Windows night light (redshift the screen)? Give me a nice dim image and if it's bright in the room I turn brightness up to like 15%.

  • @LodanSD
    @LodanSD 5 місяців тому

    Time to bring Gavin back for another video!

  • @wumbl3
    @wumbl3 4 місяці тому

    Peak nerd: moving the elements yourself on your stream to prevent OLED burn in.

  • @nithia
    @nithia 4 місяці тому

    To be fair it is that weird grey area of cheating. It wont tell you that they are in an area you cant see like you wont be able to see an enemy in top lane when you are in bot lane. It just kind of makes it more obvious that they are there if you would have been able to see them in the first place. Likely a lingering indicator that is more obvious. That said when I went from one 17" screen to 3 24" screens, an unsupported resolution, I could see the whole lane I was in all at one time assuming we had vision on the lane. And no I did not go to three for LoL it was for MWO with a flight stick for a more immersive mech experience xD.
    The bigger question is how is this 'cheating' AI screen going to work in other games? Fortnite, CoD, Tarkov, rocket league, CS:GO, RTS games?
    Assuming it wont be able to see anything you cant see the biggest advantage would be in a game like Tarkov where you might not be able to see a guy hiding in a bush or peaking in a distant window but the AI will and it could outline them or at the very least put a red blob where it sees a threat.

  • @Cyber_Official
    @Cyber_Official 5 місяців тому +10

    as a person who suffers visually I can see it being put to good use and bad use
    I would love to own one and train such things to detect, stuff like minecraft you can apply texture packs to help improve visuals like showing words overlayed each important block, but having it like detect certain block I might have missed would be cool.
    I get there is a going to bad actors with it, stuff like this is always going to be doubled sided.
    Same goes for (i hate to say this even though Im no crypto bro :v ) NFT stuff was ruined by actors, i for one seen nft as a licensing thing that could have been used for like owning digital games rights, but it just ended up being png trash bins.
    Hopefully this new monitor can be launched right, and give game developers some sort of tool to say , yea you can use xyz feature of this monitor and give players the option to disable before launching the game fully, instead of pulling a quickie and banning players out right.

    • @GeraldMMonroe
      @GeraldMMonroe 5 місяців тому +2

      "as a person who is aim impaired (not as fast as Shroud) therefore an aimbot helps with my handicap..."

    • @Cyber_Official
      @Cyber_Official 5 місяців тому +5

      @@GeraldMMonroe its not aim bot though, the monitor isn't controlling your mouse.

    • @GeraldMMonroe
      @GeraldMMonroe 5 місяців тому +2

      @@Cyber_Official no I know that I am just saying you asking for helper tools being visually impaired is not actually different for anyone slower than shroud to ask for an aimbot.

    • @Cyber_Official
      @Cyber_Official 5 місяців тому +4

      @@GeraldMMonroe you're comparing visual alerts to aim botting though, you arent making sense.

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel 5 місяців тому +2

      NFTs were never going to be something useful, 0% chance

  • @1ycan-eu9ji
    @1ycan-eu9ji 4 місяці тому

    You can just have vanguard in the case of league detect your hardware you are running, automatically banned if you use an MSI monitor that contains AI features

  • @MandrakeDCR
    @MandrakeDCR 4 місяці тому

    I can't imagine wanting to play a game badly enough to allow anyone to demand entry into my home through friggin' surveillance! lol - WOW! hahaha

  • @tayga644
    @tayga644 4 місяці тому

    oh, that monitor that shows where your getting tagged with rgb

  • @superjaseZA
    @superjaseZA 5 місяців тому +1

    bezels that are too thin are terrible: a TV needs a frame around it to help separate the content from whatever is behind the TV.

  • @joz534
    @joz534 5 місяців тому

    Isn't the ususall response to people selling tools for "cheating" that it actually helps everyone since then developers have to make better/safer products?
    at least how it works with internet security and physicall locks.

    • @jyrolys6
      @jyrolys6 5 місяців тому

      Biggest difference that making it harder for cheaters in games is not only costly and difficult, but it just delays them, while also incoveniencing the general playerbase in some way. At the same time, not a thing you can ignore either, or it gets out of hand quick.

  • @permacultureecuador2925
    @permacultureecuador2925 5 місяців тому +1

    4k for gaming is so much better beyond basic arcade style FPS games.

    • @Rexhunterj
      @Rexhunterj 5 місяців тому

      I actually think native 4k is a waste. Most games waste GPU cycles these days, I actually render at 4k or 1440p depending on the game with NVIDIA's internal DL resolutions. Then it downscales the game and if I can I use DLSS. The result is a super smooth image with no aliasing or shimmering and the game actually ends up using most of my GPU cycles instead of idling at 30% all the time. A good 1080p monitor with 4k downscaled content looks way better than native 1440p.
      The fact that games don't allow the user to change the internal render resolution most of the time is a massive shame and waste of GPU cycles.

    • @permacultureecuador2925
      @permacultureecuador2925 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Rexhunterj for the games i play - native 4k is a major advantage. (escape from tarkov, squad, star citizen etc..)

    • @CallMeRabbitzUSVI
      @CallMeRabbitzUSVI 5 місяців тому

      ​@@permacultureecuador2925Been gaming at 4k for almost 10 years, loving every minute, never understood the 1440p hype

  • @CubicIronPyrite
    @CubicIronPyrite 5 місяців тому +2

    Ghosting on LED monitors is the only reason why I miss my 77 lb 20" CRT monitor.

  • @MGH727
    @MGH727 4 місяці тому

    you can test the different sized monitors blind. you just need to cover the monitors and only show the middle.

  • @onlynexus
    @onlynexus 5 місяців тому

    Getting hands on with the 1 10 inch... 😆

  • @Iceman259
    @Iceman259 5 місяців тому +1

    Re: blind testing - what if you covered both monitors with a curtain or something and cut an equal sized window in it to use them through?

  • @mmseng2
    @mmseng2 4 місяці тому

    If a multiplayer game server is sending you any information about what's under fog of war, then they're doing it wrong.

  • @gamefreak2016
    @gamefreak2016 3 місяці тому

    what monitor is he talking about?

  • @curtiscrowethephotopro2453
    @curtiscrowethephotopro2453 4 місяці тому

    They set you up with an aim bot to make you think you were on fire because of the display