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I was trying really hard not to smile during the staircase scene because ALL i can think about is Homer saying "gimme the bat, gimme the bat, gimme the bbabablluurrr"
- George
Yeah, it's all I can think of now lol!
No beer and no TV make Homer go something something..
In a vacuum without context, a lot of what Jack Nicholson does in this movie is hilarious. You could put a laugh track over his and Wendy's exchange when he's trying to write uninterrupted and it'd read differently.
And yet, no mention of "5 John Denver Christmas specials"? ;)
Advocaat is a delicious egg based liqueur. Mix with lemonade to make 'snowballs' very nice.
I'm so glad you guys loved Shelley Duvall because she took so much crap over the years for her performance, but I think she's amazing.
She is amazing!
Yea the scene in the bathroom is just iconic. She looks so terrified like she's really going to die. And after playing the whole movie as a sweet innocent bubbly person to go from that to the terror she displays is crazy
She really was; and Kubrick didn't take just anyone onboard.
I never understood why shelly Duvall got a rasie award for worst supporting actress I also thought that she was really great in the movie
@@bobalysiaharas6158 Youree a,asking
Danny isn't possessed, just overwhelmed by his own ability to shine. Tony is a coping strategy, to help him distance himself from the horror and danger. He disassociates for a while to survive. Danny is a powerhouse of psychic energy and the hotel wants to keep him. Hallaran only shines moderately so his experience there was much milder, but bad enough that he wasn't coming back to work there again. He didn't realize the danger to the Torrance family until it was too late.
As revealed in the book Tony is adult Danny helping his child self survive the incident, Danny's middle name is Anthony which is why he uses the name "Tony" when communicating with his past self
@@darthunit78 But Kubrick thought that was too silly, so he came up with Danny talking to his finger!
No this is propaganda, the ability is the result of interaction with a demonic entity , I know of what I talk was almost recruited by a satanic sect , the contact is not the same as demon possession, can be temporal but is urgent that person is being tempted with demonic powers accept Jesus and beg to be save , if this don’t not happen it only get worst , the victim will be influence to try to get occult books and to practice ritual , is only time that is needed , with out Jesus the influence get ever more powerful, demon alter the body and soul to their benefit,many can become serial killers .
They will see other human as things that can be use to serve him , the person will not have any empathy, will have no consideration for the pain of others and will try to use people for rituals even if this risk the other person to lose their soul .
@@fynnthefox9078 lol sarcasm 🤣
The red bathroom scene with Philip Stone as Grady - at first a friendly, obsequious waiter, then suddenly turning into a dominant, inciting demon - is for my money the greatest horror scene in history: terrifying, without a single drop of blood. Stone deserved an Oscar.
My ex-wife in a HUGE Stephen King fan. After we watched this movie together I used to tell her to behave or I would 'correct her'. I don't know why she divorced me, no clue.
Well said. Philip Stone went from meek and harmless to terrifying. A true metamorphosis. It reminds me of Ed Norton’s character in the movie Primal Fear.
A pity they cut a lot of that scene.
Grady was already in the hotel vacuuming the carpet when they are all seen together shortly after arriving. The vacuum was red along with the nearby furniture and the chandelier directly above Grady was lit and shining whilst the chandelier at the back of the room was unlit. As Danny is walked into the room by the lady from playing outside Danny and Grady mirror each other in movement for a moment that you are meant to notice.
Stone was also a magnificent as the father in a clockwork orange
George nails it . 'Reflected in the mirror like he's trapped.'
But didn't join the dots. All those mirror scenes are key
But didn't join the dots. All those mirror scenes are key
The mirror also serves the theme of duality.
Shelley Duvall was an amazing actress, and she did great in this movie. Not many can match Nicholson scene for scene, he has so much presence, but she was the perfect balance for him here.
Many of her reactions were pretty genuine because she wasn't let in on what was to come for a lot of the actual horror scenes. So her terror was her ACTUAL terror
@@PinkTuskedMammoth if I remember correctly she also had a very long time needed to recover from this movie due to how Kubrick approached it.
@@6666Imperator yea she was a shut in if not still a shut in because of that
@@6666Imperator yup! but not only that but she did interviews talking about how the cast tormented her including jack himself. i think she did well with her terror and feel for how she was treated. at least the movie is a gem.
@@josephspicketts4525 it’s not entirely true tho that rumor, she recently stated jack and Kubrick were completely professional and nice with her, Kubrick is a perfectionist but she stated she had a breakdown in general with mental health and stuff.
Nicholson playing the Joker was possibly the most natural, obvious, and perfect casting ever. He's so good.
Naw... the best one is WITCHES OF EASTWICK. His most perfect casting ever.
@@Cbcw76 Yeah, they couldn't have picked a better guy for that role. Jack is an all-timer.
He fit the 70’s-80’s comic era Joker perfectly. Clown prince of crime.
you say that but fun fact Burton asked Lithgow first
@@Cbcw76 "we need someone to play LITERAL SATAN."
"Say no more fam."
“They wanted Haley Joel Osment, but he wasn’t born yet.”
One of my new favorite lines from the channel.
That reminds me why Steven Spielberg didn't get the Harry Potter directors job.
Funny story about Jack Nicholson and the door scene with the fire axe. He used to be a volunteer fireman, so when he went all out on the doors, it only took 1 or 2 swings for him to get them down so they had a bunch of doors on standby to get extra takes.
That's why there is no disclaimer: "no doors were harmed in the making of this movie" …
This helps explain why his form while chopping down the door was so good.
Lol I love the idea of a stack of doors on tap
Having recently seen Simone in Android Night Punch and realizing she has legs, I'm now scared of the possibility that George might also have legs
Simone is an Android? I knew it.
Those Canadians are fishy 😏
No! That's not true! That's impossible!
Dear God, Canadians are growing legs now?
Can you imagine if they had spider legs? hahaha
Yeah, Mike Flanagan's sequel, Doctor Sleep, is a really worthy successor. The cinematic genius may not be equal, but the story King wrote here -- of how the events of the Shining scarred and defined poor Danny -- is really compelling. A compassionate layered performance from Ewan McGregor. A movie that offers some catharsis.
Just keep in mind that the movie versions of The Shining and Doctor Sleep has a lot of differences from the novels.
I mean, it's directed by the same guy who directed Haunting of Hill House!
Agreed, Doctor Sleep is a pretty good story and yes, the novel and movie have differences.
So glad you watched this one! Fun fact - Although Shelley Duvall is not related to the actor Robert Duvall, her father (a lawyer) is actually named Robert Duvall.
Omg the fact her dad is a lawyer makes this so much more Meta, cause you know Robert Duvall is if course famous for playing Tom Hagen in the Godfather.
The director's cut of Doctor Sleep is fantastic and needs to be watched as it explains a lot and really completes Danny's story
^^THIS!!!!!
Agree, I actually think it’s even a better movie overall…although the baseball boy is a fucking difficult watch
It just dumbs down Stanley Kubrick's vision and creates it's own version. Solely for the dull-witted and nothing to do with what we just watched other than a way to cash in on a classic.
Doctor Sleep is the "Aliens" to The Shining's "Alien" - brilliant sequel.
@@chetcarman3530 Idk, from what I heard Dr sleep is a bit more faithful to its adaption than the shining. Think king actually liked that one lol.
I love this scene 24:16 because it lets you know he wasn't slowly going crazy. He's been crazy since they got there.
The usual explanation is that the hotel itself has a soul that feeds on the souls of people like Jack and Delbert Grady. At the end, the hotel has absorbed Jack''s soul. which explains why he's in the photo.
One way to interpret the story is as an allegory about domestic abuse. Jack is prone to alcohol-fueled rage. Wendy knows this, but forgives him for it because Jack has promised to quit drinking. Both are in denial about how he injured Danny, writing it off as an accident. Jack blames Wendy for his own failings, and he sometimes gaslights her. But, of course, Jack starts drinking again, and his rage grows and grows to the point where he attempts murder.
Another theory is that Tony is Danny's future self, warning him about things that he's already lived through.
The scene on the stairs is infamous. Kubrick did over 100 takes, and was so critical Shelley Duvall that she nearly broke down. It was probably deliberate on Kubrick's part, to get the terrified performance he wanted. Kubrick could be very hard on actors. Fortunately, he was kind to Danny Lloyd, who played Danny.
Did you notice that Wendy does all the work of taking care of the hotel? Jack was hired to do it, but we never see him do a lick of actual caretaking. Instead, Jack spends his time typing the same sentence over and over. If Wendy hadn't been so afraid of him, she might have told him, "You yelled at me for interrupting you when you're working, you left all the caretaking work to me, and *THIS* is what you've been doing?!?!?!?"
Best line of the video: "Jack Nicholson's eyebrow should have its own casting agent."
It was definitely deliberate. Kubrik intentionally abused Duvall on set to get her in that frazzled state. Her hair started falling out for real.
The source material is definitely about the horror of domestic abuse and one thing that it does better than the movie is delve into the psyche of Jack Torrence, and his love and fear of his own angry, abusive, alcoholic father, and his shame and self-loathing about repeating the cycle of abuse with his own son. He's a really tragic character.
Dr. Sleep continues the story of this cycle, and perhaps finally breaks it. (The book, that is; haven't watched the movie though I hear it's good.)
There is a theory that Wendy is actually Danny's abuser, that she has munchausen by proxy and Tony is Danny's coping mechanism to deal with her. There are loads continuity errors in this movie many of them when Wendy is being an unreliable narrator or hallucinating interactions with Jack or Danny. Pay attention in the scene where Wendy interrupts Jack's writing, he rips the paper out when Wendy approaches, but its back in the typewriter after she walks away and Jack just has a confused and almost concerned expression on his face. Notice when Danny gets bruised he is walking directly toward Jack and doesn't acknowledge Wendy. At the beginning Jack tells Ullman that his wife loves ghost stories, she is reading a book when we first see her and stacks of books everywhere in the apartment. It also gives a good explanation of how Jack gets out of the storage closet. Wendy killed him when she hit him with the bat, she takes him to the storage closet, comes back to find him dead, then drags him out to the maze.
while its a fun theory. I dont buy into it that. But thats the fun of the movie. Things are left unexplained purposely and people have come up with different ideas for years. @@nathanpapp432
Not true, there is the scene of Jack testing the structural integrity of the walls in his writing room by throwing a ball off of them.
I do love how George caught the line about Selling his Soul, possession and evil interference is often played on one’s weaknesses, their fears or desires. They say it takes a doorway of Evil to reach that person. And with Jack along with his anger was the drink.
Agreed. And even before he went to the Overlook, Danny was complaining there's no one for him to play with. The Shining vision he sees is the girls asking him to come play. The hotel is trying to manipulate these characters with visions specific to their emotional states.
The iconic shot of Jack Nicholson looking through the hole in the door was Jack fooling around, "Here's Johnny!" It wasn't scripted, but it was so good that the scene was included in the movie. The announcers at Stapleton Airport were actual recordings used by the airport of the time, by two local NBC station news hosts, and the clip on the radio while Scatman Curruthers was driving was from the same station's radio programming.
Danny was played by Danny Lloyd who did a fanatic job for someone so young. He went on to become Professor of biology at a community college in Elizabeth town, Kentucky. He did have a cameo in Dr Sleep. You should watch the Directors Cut of Dr Sleep it answers lots of questions and completes Dannys story. The all work an no play was typed in different languages depending on where the film was been shown. The shot of the tennis ball rolling into Danny's toys took fifty takes to get right, Kubrick was a bit of a perfectionist. If the Kubrick exhibition come to a town near you it's worth a visit.
Also, the year after he made the movie, Danny Lloyd dressed up as Stanley Kubrick for Halloween. His homemade costume included glasses, a beard, and fake bushy eyebrows.
Oof... I remember hearing Kubrick made his secretary type up all the different versions of "all work and no play" and it took over a month. It seemed like a nightmare of a task to me of working 8 hours a day typing the same stuff over and over and just formatting it differently. Having to type it up in multiple languages seems even worse to me.
“A bit of a perfectionist”, man that is one heck of an understatement! I completely agree with everything you said. And Dr. Sleep feels different as a film than The Shining, but I agree it’s an excellent film, scary, explains some things, and gives some closure. As for The Shining’s ending, someone in an assless bear suit, and the many other mysteries; I’ve heard people come up with all sorts of theories since I first saw the film when it came out. I love the mystery of it; it adds to the horror for me with fears of the unknown.
I’m a huge Kubrik fan and love this movie. It’s fun to see reactions from first timers again, and it’s great reading all the comments and discussion!
@@GlassJAw413 I heard that Kubrick typed all that himself, but that was more of a 'movie legend' type of thing. He seemed to have been obsessive enough to do something like that but I can't imagine when he would have had the time.
@@karlmortoniv2951 It was Steven's secretary. You can see her nearby a typewriter in Vivian Kubrick's _Making Of The Shining_ 🙂
As for "Here's Johnny!", In the 70's Johnny Carson was the one and only late-night host back in the era of three channels. He was wildly popular. Every show began with Ed McMahon listing today's guests and then ending with "And now... Here's Johnny!"
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"Honey I'm home." This always makes me laugh and at the same time it's terrifying. Jack is a genius.
I've always liked it more than "Here's Johnny" (no matter how iconic that line is).
Much like the fact that Jack had several better lines in A Few Good Men than "You can't handle the truth".
it reminds me of Daniel Day Lewis in "Gangs of New York"
Shelly Duvall's portrayal of a spouse of an abusive alcoholic is pretty spot-on. Always agreeable (at least around him), hiding or playing down her husband's abuse, etc.
Well, I understand that she was actually treated like the spouse of an abusive alcoholic during the making of this film by Stanley Kubrick himself, in order to ensure that her performance came off as "authentic."
@@richarddefortuna2252 yes and he instructed the cast and crew to do the same…😢
@@richarddefortuna2252 Yeah, you "understand" this based off of what? Firsthand experience? Or some sensationalist BS you read on the internet?
@@richarddefortuna2252 yeah, that fact has always kept me from loving this movie. It's so good, but I wish the director had trusted and respected Shelly as an actor, instead of forcing abuse tactics on her. It shows that he didn't respect her or have faith in her as an actor.
@@strawdawgs78 I thought that was a fairly widely known fact about this movie.
This movie is pretty notorious for being one of the best-regarded Stephen King adaptations, but also one King himself really dislikes. I didn't read the book until a few years ago and I totally get it; they're both very similar but at the same time wildly different adaptations of the same story. Both are valid and exceptional.
In addition to hurting Danny, Jack in the book also lost his teaching job by assaulting a student. He was friends with a board member though who got him the Overlook job, and he was told if he did a good job the board would consider giving him his job back. So the Overlook is literally their last chance; even if they could get out, they'd be destitute and essentially helpless, so they have no choice but to endure the horrors of the hotel.
Jack becomes obsessed with the hotel's history, which is how he starts to get possessed. His symptoms are also nearly identical to a recovering alcoholic slipping back into vice, so it's unclear to everyone, even Jack, what is really happening. The scene where Wendy accuses Jack of strangling Danny is really gut-wrenching; you feel for both, because Wendy has no choice but to assume the worst, and Jack feels dejected because he thinks he can never redeem himself in his wife's eyes after what he did.
King didn't do those things specifically, but he struggled with alcoholism and wasn't a great father for a while, and the Shining was his way of working through his history. The film, while brilliant, omits a lot of that subtext in favor of a straight cabin fever/possession story. So I think King's criticism is valid; he's not just some diva writer upset that they changed his story.
Also, Dick Halloran is mentioned in IT. He was friends with Mike Hanlon's dad, and they dealt with some shit when they were younger too.
If you read Stephen King's novel It, you will see a much younger Dick Halloran in a flashback scene.
Can totally tell George is thinking of Homer when Jack is saying "Wendy give me the bat"😂
No TV and No Beer make Homer…something, something
@@waynecanning4122
"Go Crazy??"
@@richardrobbins387 DON’T MIND IF I DO!
Oh, he definitely has Simpsons on the brain here. He's even making references that have nothing to do wit the Shining episode.
In the book, you find out that Tony is Danny’s future self. His full name is Daniel Anthony Torrance.
And about how Jack treats Wendy: the hotel accelerates his violence, but he’s always been a bad, abusive man.
Also, a detail in the book that isn’t in the film regards Jack keeping up with the boiler room. That’s his primary job as caretaker. The reader is told all alcohol has been removed from the hotel for the winter, but every time Jack comes back from the boilers, he reeks of whiskey.
Not necessarily a popular opinion, but the book is much better than the movie.
@@katedc I don't think that's too controversial. The Shining is one of King's best books, a classic. Kubrick has his own genius, especially considering his shots and his sound design, but I think it's fair to say the book is scarier.
@@katedc That was Stephen King's opinion, too.
@@katedc I've noticed which version of the story people experience first is the one they prefer. Everyone I know (myself included) who read the book first thinks the books is better and vice versa. I've yet to meet someone outside this pattern.
@@eschatological yeah, the book is a classic, and a better exploration of the theme of abuse than the movie.
Kubrick is an amazing audio/ visual stylist, no doubt. But on its own, the knowledge that he was openly abusive to Shelly Duvall, in a movie about abuse!, is disqualifying, to me.
The length of her cigarette ash when talking to the psychologist is legendary
This is my favorite movie of all time. It’s atmospheric and the soundtrack is absolutely perfect. The bathroom scene between Grady and Jack is one of my favorite horror movie scenes. “I… corrected them, sir.” Sends chills down my spine.
The funny thing, to me, having lived in Oregon for about 15 years, is that the interior of the actual hotel where the exteriors were shot - Timberline Lodge - is NOTHING like in the film, which was all on sound stages in London (and which all burned down at one point during production and had to be rebuilt). The Timberline interior is beautiful with all wood and stone, and much smaller and cozier.
one thing that always stands out is the absence of the hedge maze in the helicopter shots of Timberline
That is wone of the odd things. The exterior and the interior made no sense at all, they were thematically different. Also, the hotel interior could not exist anywhere. It was architecturally impossible. That was intentional to add the creep factor. The manager's office is just off the lobby in the center of the building, but has a bright sunny window to the outside. The second floor is a crazy maze, almost mimicking the hedgerow maze outside.
Kind of the same thing with the movie Maverick. The sternwheeler they used for exterior shots is the Portland which is docked as a floating museum in Portland, OR. The interior shots are nothing like the inside, but it works if you don't think about it too much.
Didn’t they use the Lobby for the movie? Or was that also a studio set? I read the hotel made them change the ghosts room number from 217 to 237, which didn’t exist, for fear of nobody wanting to stay in it after the movies release. But it ended up being the room people most requested.
Same with "the Great Northern" in Twin Peaks - just exteriors, the real Lodge inside is very modern & upscale ( it'll cost you the $$$ to stay there ).
In "the Return" they did use the real diner in Washington for interiors.
You guys have to do the Director's Cut of Doctor Sleep next. It's a sequel to this and it's actually amazing (and answers a lot of questions).
Some questions don't need to be answered.
@@stephenlyon1358 but the questions it answered was very good. The difference between rings of power and doctor sleep is huge
@@Needler13
Hey guy, I really don't mean to be rude here but those are some mighty fine swears.
We don't need to wait 39 years for questions no one asked, just to grab some cash and make some rubbish.
I guess you are new to films?
Doctor Sleep is not 'amazing' unless your perspective on films is completely deluded. It's absolute rubbish.
@@YeeLeeHaw Thank you sir. I'm all for someone doing a "reboot" like ghostbusters. But dont start comparing fine wine, with some discount winebox you force down.
Anyone notice that the TV they were watching had no power chord anywhere? Gotta love the Kubrick touches in this film!
How about a freezer door with hinges that flip?
Everybody is saying you need to watch Doctor Sleep after this and I totally agree. I would also say that if you like Shelley Duvall, check her out in Popeye with Robin Williams. It's not the greatest movie of all time but I love it. Of course, I love cheesy 80's nostalgia sooo...yeah! Love the reaction! 💜💜💜
P.S. I forgot about Shelley Duvall in another great movie with Steve Martin, Roxanne. A "modern" take on Cireno De Bergerac (I know the spelling is wrong). An all around great movie! Give it a watch, please 😄
While I did enjoy Doctor Sleep I was actually kind of disappointed that it took away some of this movie’s ambiguity.
Yes!!!
You guys have to follow this up with Doctor Sleep as soon as possible!
Might as well watch the Director's Cut while you're at it!
This was filmed at the Timberline Lodge in Oregon (and in studio). Inspiration for the book was taken from the Stanley Hotel in Colorado.
It was based on the Timberline, only far away shots without actors were shot in the US.
The story goes Stephen King wrote this while staying at the Stanley Hotel.
Timberline Lodge, up on Mt Hood. Beautiful place.
The Stanley Hotel in Estes Park, Co is an absolutely beautiful hotel, but once you step right in you can tell why Stephen King wrote this book.
The book & film "Burnt Offerings"
also provided some of the inspiration.
The Shining (as with most Kubrick movies) has become so intertwined with pop culture that I guarantee you've seen the whole movie long before this first viewing.
• The carpet is referenced everywhere. Most unexpectedly, in Toy Story 1 as the bedroom carpet for the twisted neighbor kid, Sid.
• The music video for 30 Seconds to Mars' The Kill is a cliff's notes tribute to the movie.
• Of course in the movie version of Ready Player One it was a central plot point.
• The Simpsons' infamous Treehouse of Horror V.
• The video for Spit it Out by Slipknot.
And thousands of others.
As everyone has said, Doctor Sleep is a fantastic sequel that begrudgingly is tied to this movie, and is a great ending to this story.
Biffy Clyro's video for "Howl" also borrows quite a bit of inspiration from The Shining as well.
True story, some friends and I went to Colorado in the spring and got trapped in our cabin for 3 days in a freak April blizzard. The internet went out and there was nothing to watch but two VHS copies of The Shining.
They did over 100 takes of the confrontation scene between Jack and Wendy, the “put the bat down Wendy”, that whole sequence. Kubrick was a meticulous perfectionist to the point where it nearly drove Duvall crazy because she was so stressed out
Also, thank you George, I’m now gonna triple check my fridge before I go on vacation to make sure there’s no pork in there…
If you do accidentally leave pork in your fridge for too long, don’t make out with it. You’re welcome.
Just don't eat pork. :0)
Kubrick really treated Duvall horribly on set. It helped her a great deal towards getting the later half of the film perfect, but it was psychological torture for art's sake.
It'd be really creepy if you hadn't bought pork.
Nearly?
Yup, as many as said, Doctor Sleep. It's an excellent way to make this go full circle.
There was a ton of context that Kubrick left out of the book in the name of 'Let the audience feel creeped out'. The Hotel did come to life with the many ghosts that lived there. While sometimes the Less is More approach works, in this case, while he did create a classic in terms of suspense and horror, he lost a ton of context that would have made it even better. Still a great movie. Great movies tend to stand the test of time, and are loved in spite of all their flaws.
I don't know if the topiary animals coming to live would ever have worked in a movie, even now. Did they do that in the TV mini-series version? I never made it that far. I'd love to be proven wrong about that if/when someone dares try a remake.
Yes, the TV series with Steven Weber and Rebecca DeMornay did have the topiary animals. It's been a long time, and I know there was a scene where they appeared to be sneaking up on Danny, but I don't recall much else (most likely because of the budget the CGI was crappy, so they didn't show up when they were trying to escape). But they did have the mallet instead of the axe, and they put in the boiler that Jack had to take care of every day.
I haven't seen it in years, but I really liked it at the time. It didn't capture the same tension and slow burn horror as Kubrick, and the script left something to be desired. However I felt it was a good remake, despite its flaws.
Nah, shit movie with a great performance from Nicholson. I won't give it more than that. Topiary/Igloo/Halloran/Boiler Room etc. way too much was lost.
And if i'm being perfectly honest his adaptation of 2001 was also garbage.
@@yeti4954 2001 wasn't an adaptation. The novel was written while the movie was being filmed and was based on an idea that Kubrick and Clarke developed together. You can like or not like the movie, but it wasn't an adaptation.
George: I think he’s a misdirect, he’s so nice.
Everyone: *laughs nervously*
I only recently discovered that the UK version was quite a bit shorter then US version. Amongst others, we didn’t have the scene where the doctor comes to see Danny, and we didn’t see Danny meet Scatman in the Golden Ballroom.
Yeah, I was just thinking .."Hang on, I don't remember those scenes in the film!" 😂
As far as explanations for this film, "Doctor Sleep," goes a long way to tie it up with Stephen King's original story. That said, "The Shining," has to be seen as a Kubrick project, so any explanations you'll hear are opinions.
Kubrick resisted concrete explanations of his work - he was firm in believing that viewers need to be free to draw their own interpretations. One of the hallmarks of a Kubrick film is the shot staging, camera work & cinematography, contrasted with minimal exposition & dialogue.
now you gotta see Doctor Sleep, the Director's Cut!
The exteriors were shot at the Timberline Lodge in Oregon at the base of Mt Hood... --- The interiors were based on The Stanley Hotel in Colorado..
Two things that always happen whenever someone reacts to this movie.
1. The "Tuesday" title card always gets them.
2. No one ever notices that Toy Story uses the exact same carpet pattern from the Overlook Hotel in Syd's house.
I love the title cards in this movie, they go from months later to days to hours, adding to the intensity of time passing.
I like looking for all the snarling shriek-faces, or the rapt attentive faces, in the lighting, the fixtures, the decor, the furniture, the elevator dials ...
If you love Jack and want more Jack I'd recommend As Good As It Gets with Helen Hunt, one of the best feel good movies of all time and The Withes of Eastwick with Michelle Pfieffer, Cher and Susan Sarandon.
Only the wide exteriors are the actual Timberline lodge in Oregon - all interiors and the closer (snow) exteriors are studio sets in the UK.
Still my favorite horror movie of all time. Nicholson's performance is sublime. And Kubrick's direction is outstanding as always.
George, way to pick up on some subtle imagery and filmmaking there! The knives over them talking in the kitchen, Jack looking like he’s trapped when framed in the mirror! Brilliant nonverbal communication that I don’t think todays films make use of. Visual storytelling!!!
Yep, thought the mirror comment was very incisive, it had never occurred to me.
He also looks trapped when he's talking to Grady in the bathroom, his eyes darting back and forth like a trapped animal trying to escape.
The time stamps in this film always crack me up.
Chapter 1
A month later
Tuesday
8 hours later
4pm
The one thing that has always bugged me about this film is that they claim they have to shut down the hotel in October because of all of the heavy snowfall in the winter. Then they jump one month ahead and there is not one flake of snow anywhere outside in the scene where Danny and Wendy go into the maze. Okay, you can't stay open all winter but why couldn't you stay open another two or three weeks?
@@88wildcat It's not because it snowed too much THAT October, it's because when snow falls, there's a LOT of it and the road becomes inaccessible. October is the earliest they have seen snowfall, so that's when they close down, to prevent staff and guests from getting stranded up there.
The exterior shots of the hotel are the Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood. About an hour and a half outside Portland, OR. The interior shots are on a sound stage in England.
There’s a great chapter in the book where Danny and Halloran have a conversation about having the Shining and the Overlook. In that one single chapter they develop a sort of bond that helps them later.
Fun fact: The first "grown up" book I ever read was _The Shining_ , when I was twelve. It was scary, of course, but what I found most interesting was how deep into the minds of the four main characters - Danny, Wendy, Jack, and Dick Hallorann - the narrative went. You get to really know them all, and love them all, even Jack, who starts out as a sane and loving father trying desperately not to fall back into alcoholism. Danny's "shining" is simply a powerful psychic talent, and "Tony" is the figure of an older boy he sometimes sees when he has visions. You also learn a lot about the history of the hotel and how it intertwines with American history, and I found all that really interesting stuff.
The movie came out when I was fifteen, but I didn't see it. When I heard that the movie had made Tony into a talking finger, I thought that was the _stupidest_ thing I'd ever heard in my life. I mean, even at fifteen I knew that filming Danny's visions as they appeared in the book would be almost impossible...but making Tony a talking finger seemed like something a child would come up with. And years later, I found out that it WAS! Danny Lloyd, the boy playing Danny Torrance, suggested it to Kubrick, and he went with it.
I also heard that Hallorann was killed (he survives in the book) and that made me furious because it was unnecessary, and seemed like a cheap way up the shock value. And I _still_ think it was exactly that. Kubrick's brilliance as a director doesn't mean he's immune from making the occasional shallow decision. There's nothing I despise more than gratuitous character deaths, and Hallorann's death is just about as gratuitous as they come. (Also, as I got older, I realized that it wasn't just killing off a character I liked, it was killing off the only _black_ character for no real reason. Way to perpetuate a stereotype, Kubrick.)
Finally, Kubrick turned Wendy from a capable, determined survivor into a shivering, wet dishrag who smiles nervously as she's verbally abused and threatened. It's almost like Kubrick said "Competant woman in a horror movie? Can't have that!"
I did finally see the movie decades later, and realized _kind of_ what Kubrick was doing. I can recognize that it's a brilliant movie; it's just almost a completely different story from the book. Even the horror set pieces are almost (but not quite) completely different. Kubrick basically made an "in name only" version of the story; he just did it so well that it's worth seeing for its own sake.
The movie is iconic for good reason; the imagery is unforgettable, the cinematography and music create a creeping, relentless dread that I don't think any other movie has ever equalled. Jack Nicholson's performance is a joy to watch, and the visuals of the hotel create a real sense of tiny, helpless humans lost in the vast emptiness of an uncanny location.
But the _story_ in the book is just more compelling. It's a much more _human_ story; the characters are real people, complex and interesting, and their decisions matter. The scares are terrifying because they're happening to people you care about. You're horrified as Jack turns from a decent but flawed man into an inhuman monster, and part of that horror is seeing Jack himself consumed and destroyed from within. Wendy makes intelligent decisions to protect herself and her family, but the evil in the hotel outmaneuvers her. Danny is a very bright but believable five year old, trying to understand a complex adult world as best as he can, struggling with a psychic talent that’s much bigger than he is, and fighting against an evil that’s old and corrupt and can even turn one of his own parents against him. At one point he thinks _I’m just five! Doesn't it make any difference that I’m just five?_ And it’s terrifying because you know it doesn’t. Dick Hallorann is a good man risking everything to save people he barely knows because he shares a rare kinship with a five-year-old boy, and that boy is terrified and in trouble.
That very human story of four people against an old and hungry sort of evil will always be more interesting to me than even the most terrifying of visual images and relentlessly tense tracking shots. So I always tell people, yes, the movie is brilliant, but be sure to read the book as well. That’s where the real heart of the story is.
Absolutely! The book is brilliant, with a very different story. I’m one of the rare people who don’t love this film.
Great comment. Have you seen the sequel Dr Sleep and if you have what your take on it.
King said he like it.
@@jasontodd6779 - No, not yet, because I haven't read the book yet. I'm always a bit reluctant about sequels to things I really like. I will eventually, though.
The book and movie are both great, but you almost have to view them as separate entities. On the one hand a faithful adaptation would be difficult to pull off, especially at the time. For one thing, you couldn’t make hedge animals move in 1980 without it being incredibly cheesy. I feel like they could likely pull it off today…..we’re gonna act like that 1997 miniseries doesn’t exist 😖😖
Stephen? Is that you??
Bonus Bonus Fun Fact: Ullman's office technically shouldn't be able to exist where it is in the building based on where the window is pointing. The office is a set unlike many other shots which adds to the cabin fever feeling even if unintended.
The actor who played Grady, Phillip Stone, also played Alex's father in A Clockwork Orange.
A truly great film! Kubrick was the greatest film-maker of all time. Whatever the genre, Sci-Fi, Horror, War Movie, even comedy, he made the BEST example.
Also, growing up, I had the same model of big wheel that Danny rides around in this. A Hedstrom Trail Cycle.
This movie was one of the first uses of infra-sound on a horror movie soundtrack. Tones outside the spectrum of human hearing that have been shown to cause feelings of unease.
This movie has been more analyzed than the Zapruder film.
Advocaat is a brandy egg based alcohol drink similar to egg nogg. The drinks they had looked like snowballs which is a cocktail with advocaat and lime and lemonade. Common during winter events
Which is either odd or a clever hint that something is out of whack in the hotel because the hotel is shut down in the winter so they shouldn't have any winter events. If Jack has kind of photo bombed his way into the past in that scene it doesn't make any sense but if the hotel is having a party for it's victims it makes a lot of sense.
I always saw The Shining as a crazy man being stripped away for what he really is, rather than a sane man being driven to madness & the hotel, just like the bourbon Jack is drinking, as a metaphor for bringing out who you really are.
Jack was always that way, he was always there and he was always the caretaker.
The music in the beginning is called march to the scaffold by Hector Berlioz "symphonie fantastique" which is a great piece of music, and when it was premiered, it was so horrific it caused riots in the theatre!
Close - right symphony, wrong section :) It's actually a synthesizer arrangement of the gregorian chant _Dies Iræ_ (Day of Wrath), which appears in the "Witch's Sabbath", 4th movement of the _Symphonie fantatique._ The "March to the Scaffold", which is the symphony's 3rd movement, doesn't quote the _Dies Iræ._
There's a documentary called Room 237 that covers the many different interpretations of the film--the genocide of the Native Americans, a portrayal of hell or purgatory, even the fake moon landing. It's worth checking out and will enhance your appreciation of the film. Great reaction, and as I've told you before, Kubrick is required viewing (and someone should make a video about the many Kubrick references in the Simpsons).
Yes george and Simone watch this
I thought about that too. Some very interesting theories in it.
Kubrick's masterful adaptation of King's epic novel of horror is a genuine masterpiece in spite of the author's extreme displeasure of it on the whole. Nicholson's iconic evil performance is one for the film vault and Duvall (no relation to Robert BTW) is so underrated (sadly Kubrick was a monster to her on the set to get her reactions - he was notorious for taking dozens of takes of any given scene and he put her thru the ringer). Danny Lloyd indeed was incredible but this was his only real acting gig and he never acted again. George you nailed it in your post-reaction - Pure Dread.
I always think about the Treehouse of Horror episode when I watch this movie now.
"No TV and no beer makes Homer something something."
"Go crazy?"
"Don't mind if I do!"
Shelly Duvall not related to Robert Duvall the actor…but her father was coincidentally ALSO named Robert Duvall 😅
Probably the most analized movies of all time. People made hundrets of video essays and documentaries about this movie and the mystery behind it. Is it Kubricks confession that he faked the Moonlanding? Or any of the other conspiracy theories? Looking into it is super fun, even if you dont believe some of the theories. The amount of incredible details you can find in this movie is endless.
One thing I always loved is that the window in Ulmans office at the beginning is an impossible window. The office is not connected to an outside wall so why does it have a window?
It's true, this movie has been analized in so many ways. Sometimes brutally, sometimes gently and lovingly.
The one that always creeps me out is when they are watching the TV on the rug and there is no power cord anywhere.
A directorial note was that Kubric asked the actors not to blink while doing closeups and when there a few blinks that happen there is a very slight subtle twinkle sound that happens almost subliminally, you don't notice it unless you are aware of it. This is what makes this film so dramatic. I also heard that the way Danny's scenes are filmed, the child actor had no idea that anything scary was happening. The author Steven King absolutely hated this film.
Steven King hated it because it was better than his crummy books.
I think King has kind of modified his stance. He thinks it is a good horror movie. He just thinks it is a bad adaptation of a Stephen King book. If the screenplay was based off of original material instead of his book he wouldn't have a problem with the movie.
Why did Danny Lloyd quit acting?
Although he continued auditioning for movie roles, Lloyd couldn't catch a break. He'd tired of the process by his early teens and told his parents he was quitting acting. Saying farewell to Hollywood, Lloyd married and raised four children and is now a biology professor at a Kentucky university
"It's like that one time I went on vacation and left some pork in the fridge" - cracked me up :D
21:06 Advocaat is a Dutch liqueur. Essentially, it's eggnog.
Shelly Duvall also stared as Olive Oyl in the film, "Popeye". As a teenager, I saw that immediately after seeing "The Shining" for the first time, which helped serve as a decompression.
I need to rewatch Popeye. It didn't get much praise upon release and having grown up on the cartoons in the 60's, wasn't too interested at that time.
Bonus Bonus Bonus Bonus Bonus Fun Fact: Dick Hallorann was at The Black Spot in Derry, Maine when it burned down in 1930. His Shine helped him save many people including the father of Mike Hanlon (one of the main characters in IT).
Most of the "ghosts" or spirits of people attached to the hotel, they had separate stories in the book, explanations for why the woman was in the tub or the two dudes were canoodling in the room and one had a bear mask.
If you want to watch more Jack Nicholson being super Jack Nicholson, you should watch The Witches of Eastwick. It's a power performance and he has a very amazing monologue about women in a church, that is a must see. Besides him, you also have Susan Sarandon, Michelle Pfeiffer and Cher! all doing great jobs.
"It was like that one time I went on vacation and left pork in my fridge"
Hilarious🤣
A cool fact about this movie is that it plays with you mentally, for example the overlook hotel's layout makes no sense and disorientates you. The most immediate example of this is right at the start, when Jack goes in for the interview. Mr Ullman's office is located roughly in the middle of the entrance hall and yet there is a window in his office looking outdoors. I also only recently found out that the further into the film you get, the more tribal things become, like the colour changes and patterns on their clothes. It is pure genius.
Happy New Year Simone & George 🥳🥳
The movie is a whole different animal from the book. There was a miniseries version thats faithful to the book. While the movie has better cinematography and acting, I love the book so the miniseries has a special place in my heart.
Advocaat is a type of creamy liqueur that is popular in the UK, but has a Dutch origin. A short measure in a tall glass topped up with lemonade and an iced cherry floating on top is how you make a Snowball. Popular at christmas, it was the only alchoholic treat us kids were allowed to have when I was growing up. Kind of traditional for British families.
So funny that it is used as base ingredient for a kids Christmas treat. It is a typical "old people" drink here, which is spooned from a small liqueur glass due to its custardy consistency.
ps. I remember getting shandy as a kid -- growing up in the 70s -- on special occasions. Usually 1 part lager and 3 parts 7-Up, better known as a Snow White here.
@@forkless Of course I forgot Shandy another accepted form of booze for kids. I haven't had either since I was a kid in the 80s. Snowball seems a very 70s kind of drink thinking back now, is it terribly tacky and unfashionable now, do people still drink it? Was it just a fad back then? I'm gonna have to try it again!😀
Hiya! Just came to post that that I learned about Advocaat when doing vocational training as a bartender just after high school in the mid 1990s in New Zealand. It was a crucial ingrediant in many cocktails from the Snowball and Fluffy Duck with many entirely different regional recipes. I later did a Hospitality Management diploma from CPIT and worked in international hotels all over the world until 2010. I never saw a well stocked cocktail bar without Advocaat.
4:09 “That’s odd, the blood usually gets off on the second floor”
My older brother was a Steven King fan. I found and read his copy of this when I was about 11. Good stuff. Book is different, of course. Different ending. Apparently was resolved in Dr. Sleep.
27:03 Yes, this movie does the things. My older sister rented this and I watched it way too young. It has been burned into my memory.
You guys should watch the sequel to this. Dr. sleep. It is so good. They did an awesome job with incorporating the book differences as well as the movie differences into one. It wasn’t popular in the theater 😢 but it became a bit later. It is very very good
Absolutely a worthy sequel.
It doesn't try to be Kubrick-lite, it is its own thing. Some really great performances and characters. The villains are truly brutal and vicious monsters.
This isn't the first movie that had it, but one of the first ones that used steadicam, and the inventor of steadicam was the operator here, nowadays the tracking shoots like with Danny and the tricycle are common place but back then you hadn't seen them often if at all.
The news anchor guy Glenn Rinker, I guess worked for a Miami news station, when I was in my teens he worked for a station in Orlando. I always thought it was cool that The Shining news guy was the guy I watched during dinner.
"The only thing that's missing is the context." Also an accurate description of the film itself.
I’d settle for an accurate description of the font used in the titles instead of the smug misidentification of Comic Sans, which is not only radically different, but also wasn’t created until more than a decade after this film was released.
@@markhamstra1083 smug is being pedantic about font style.
He didn't say it was comic sans, he was saying how it's like comic sans probably was considered cool at some point before it being a joke now. Specifically about how the opening credits look like something done by a cheap UA-cam skit with MS paint.
It's something that comes up a lot with older films and younger audiences, a parallel to the Seinfeld effect, where the way the movies are paced or presented, and the acting styles are seen as "goofy" or inherently funny even they were not taken that way or intended thar way originally.
Because for many modern watchers the only frame of reference for those aspects they have seen are parodies or references in modern films.
So it takes them out of things because it removes the intended context of the film they are watching with the already established outside context.
@@MandoWookie For future reference, that ^^^ is pedantry.
This is Jack Nicholson's 2nd best movie. His best is One Flew Over the Chukoo's Nest.
The actor who played Delbert Grady, Philip Stone, was a Kubrik favourite. He's also in A Clockwork Orange as Alex's father and in Barry Lyndon. Also pops up in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom.
The Shining is a film so richly layered with visual symbolism that you can watch it twenty times and still notice new things. It's craftsmanship at a super high level.
Nobody mentions Danny's sandwich that he just nibbles ...
I know a lot of people say that the photo of Jack in the ballroom means that he's the reincarnation of the caretaker who went mad, but I never felt like that was it for me. There are a lot of hints that once you die in the hotel, you are trapped there forever and become part of the haunts, and that's really how it feels to me. Jack's soul has been absorbed by the hotel, and he is now one of the ghosts who will haunt the Overlook as long as the hotel stands.
In spite of the horrible abuse Kubrick put Shelly Duvall through in service of "realism", he was very protective towards the actor playing Danny. It was all done through suggestion and imagination, and he had no idea he was in a horror movie. He thought he was in a family drama.
Kubrick in no way 'abused' Duvall.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver what do you mean? he definitely abused her emotionally, forcing her to reshoot so many takes and screaming and degrading her all the way so that she gave a realistic performance, that's why she was so terrified on the movie, because he forced her to be terrified as much as he saw fit
@@chrisgamer78 Kubrick was a take factory. That was his way of working. Kubrick never raised his voice at anyone nor did he degrade anyone. You're talking a load of shit.
the external scenes of the hotel (except the hedge maze) were shot at Timberline Lodge on Mt. Hood, Oregon. it's still there. very cool old building.
One of my favorite lines of this movie is when Jack says "I'm not going to hurt you, I'm just going to bash your brains in."
Y'alls splash screens are always hilarious. Thanks for the smiles. This movie is still super intense after decades of knowing what is coming. :) And!... be sure to watch the sequel, Doctor Sleep. It's about the son, Danny, as an adult. Played by Ewan McGregor. Also starring Rebecca Ferguson. It was not a box office hit, but is tragically underrated in my opinion.
13:17 There are 1.6 kilometers per mile. There are 2.2 pounds per kilogram.
Btw if you pay attention of the hotels layout, it makes no sense! for example the directors office back wall has a window, but if you look when jack enters the office, behind the office there should be another staircase, not the garden. this was done intentionally to make the place subconsciously eerie
This movie suffered a lot of production problems:
Shelly Duvall lost most of her hair due to the stressful takes she had to to, 127, to get the scene of her swinging the bat at Jack Nicholson.
Nicholson slept on the set between scenes.
Duvall and Stanley Kubrick got into arguments onset on her scenes should be filmed.
A fire broke out near the set where they were filming The Empire Strikes Back.
Scatman Crothers, whom played Dick Halloran, had his scenes in the kitchen filmed 88 times and broke down crying saying, "What do you want from me, Mr Kubrick!?"
The hedge maze scene was the most difficult scene to film as some of the crew would get lost in the maze and would have taken them an hour to find the exit.
I think Jack Torrance could shine. I just think he didn't realize his ability, he misunderstood the hotels ability to amplify the shine as his losing his break on reality and then it ACTUALLY drove him mad once the Overlook sank its teeth in him, and alcoholism had always been Jack's way of self medicating what he did not realize was actually a super power. I think he had the same ability Danny and Hallorann had, but the hotel was able to corrupt him because he was corruptible. In fact, I think Danny INHERITED the ability to shine from Jack, the same way Hallorann inherited his ability to shine from his grandmother. It also explains for me why Jack said he felt like he knew what was going to be around every corner, why he got so attached to the hotel, why Grady told Jack he was "always the caretaker" and why up until the end, Wendy was the only one who was unable to see any supernatural manifestations in the hotel until things reached fever peak. I think its why the Overlook wanted the Torrances so badly because Danny and his father were a two for one deal.
I agree that Jack shined and it explains a lot. But I think Wendy could too, to a lesser degree. She does see the visions near the end of the move, like Danny and Jack do earlier. It would also explain why Danny is such a powerful shiner since he inherited the power from both parents.
In the novel , the hedge animals come to life and break Jack
@@goosefukulardeath7300 I need to reread it, I haven’t in almost a decade!
@@55itsme I like that! That’s actually a very good point about Wendy
Happy New Year, CineBinge React.
When Homer is locked in with all the food and he says to Moe "Cant murder now, eating." That cracks me up with all the Simpsons referencing.
There's a great trailer for this movie where they make it look like a feel-good family drama called _Shining._
Also, yes, hypothermic patients will often undress after long exposure. Your body's heating system shuts down and your core temperature drops, which makes your surroundings feel warmer (the opposite to how a fever makes you feel cold). It's quite the red flag.
The one with Salisbury Hill? That trailer has stuck with me for YEARS