@BrokenConfig there is a huge difference between asking for a donation and whatever the hell windows does. You can even disable this, unlike the shit windows does. Software needs money to function something as big as KDE wouldn't function without donations
@BrokenConfig it has never been about not paying anything. FOSS is free as in free speech, not as in free beer. Maybe you left windows to get away from licenses, and that's fair, but I don't think it's the sentiment of the community in general
What KDE did is, in my opinion, one of the best way to do that. One small popup, once a year, at an appropriate time. I'll definitely donate to KDE, its a really nice DE.
I had one the other day, but sadly I'm extremely strapped these days and just can't, and I love KDE, and they have given me nothing but a great value, and treated me fairly and without any flack, which I cannot say for any commercial entity and their products who always end up to be dishonest conniving weasels one way or another!!
@@firemaster2229 I know, I don't feel bad as I too know it's not something to even feel bad about, it is what it is, but I'm all about honesty and integrity, and here on social media if I didn't add that, nor lie and say I donated it's all to easy for someone to in no time flat, come to the conclusion that because I didn't virtue signal by saying I donated it means I didn't, and get on my case bout it when I really can't, so I got it out of the way by in the post as a buffer. So many with alack of logical and critical thinking skills, in between the lines readers and armchair psychologists all ready to pounce on social media these days, it's downright sad! But as good as I can be, I can take them down hard too if need be! Besides contributing can be many things and they need help with all sorts, and so I do make good suggestions for features, additions to stuff, or minor changes when people talk about annoyances like here on UA-cam... everywhere but maybe not to them directly, If I agree with the suggestion then I check so if I can't find it, I will tell KDE, so they know. I focus on stuff that would benefit many users, not the kind of oddball features some ask for that few would need. I add details fitting to layout, functionality,... and how I think they would work best within their ecosystem because a lot of apps by KDE have functions and features you can access from within other apps, Like Krename a stand alone app accessible in Dolphin (Kolphins would be too weird😁). I also, report bugs and add info to existing ones so they have more to work with. I help users on the forum when I can, and all contributions that may be work for them but also give users more reason to use KDE: More users = more donations!🤑 So it's all good.😉 Oh, and when I read your handle "Fire marshal Bill" popped into my head and I cracked up for a minute remembering that far out insane character!🤪🤣 If you don't know who that is, then see if you can find some videos featuring him, but be warned because it's very funny and not for people who too easily piss themselves when they see stuff like that🥴, or laugh so hard they can't breath!😵 😜
@@firemaster2229 Agreed. I'll try to remember to donate when things aren't as tight but I won't feel bad for not being able to afford to right now. As-is, I'm already overspent part-way into January's budget because of added holiday expenses.
Ive never donated to KDE before, but that prompt made me want to. Of all the things to be subscribed to, a piece of FOSS I use on a daily basis is probably one of the best.
@@nobodyimportant7804 people complain about big FOSS projects being beholden to the interests of corporate donors. If you don't want that to be the case then the users of the project need to donate
@@nobodyimportant7804 A lot of developers have corporate sponsorship that have such a wide range of software's, and really good ones too, It wasn't always like that for most of them, and KDE earned it on their own merit for delivering good stuff, but it doesn't cover all it's needs because they have so much to maintain, and keep current, as well as bug free as possible and feature rich. I do agree that the little guys need donations too, but even more so the hidden behind the scenes and under the hood guys! The stuff that goes unnoticed, like all of the stuff a great many programs rely on that cannot go neglected: Stuf like ffmpg, image magic, reverse engineered drivers the MFG doesn't provide for Linux, and kernel modules making Linux rival Windows in support, speed, and efficiency, is in the most need of support for going unnoticed!
14 years ago my employer had (may still have, I don't work in the IT dept. any more) a policy of annually working out how much money they would have paid for commercial software if they weren't using an OSS alternative for a particular task, and donating a set-portion of that to the project(s) responsible for the savings, justifying it to accounting as keeping the cost-saving software both available and technically-competitive (this was for smaller OSS projects, for the mission-critical stuff, they got paid-support OSS, where it made economic sense over a supported-closed-software solution, of course).
Superb!! You deserve it! Sadly I got the popup too (almost didn't even see it) but am on the threshold of becoming homeless, but I have donated in the past, and may again if I can survive the next 4 years with our new US administration, no one in their right mind should have voted for, but deliberately against with extreme prejudice, and they have me on their hit list too, so my chances are now greatly diminished! I am all for you making it larger, with a link to all the things the money pays for and the requirements vs what you get... and right in the middle of the screen! This is important, and it's not like the vast majority of people spend their money wisely, and gladly pay greedy corporations inflated prices for over hyped garbage they have little real use for, and goes rarely used if ever after the initial thrill wears off and the buyers remorse kicks in!
@@kevinrineer5356 I have an incurable disease and been there a few times already, but am also resourceful, and so if it happens, it wont be for long, and have always got back in service again in under 2 months, although I am 61 already, which may just make it a bit harder, but I know better than complaining and moping around, as it doesn't work, you have to actively do something to succeed and that in any situation! Oh and thanks for your compassion, as it's a very rare thing these days, and is in extremely short supply as of late! Depending where you are in this world, things may get rough for you too, so stay alert, and be ready to deal with bad situations, because there are people now actively and deliberately working very hard to make sure a lot of people will find themselves in one, and very soon too, history has all but shown, and all the signs ere here and now, and shit is hitting the fan already, and it will get a lot worse, before things even start to get better, and the latter may be decades from now.
@@NoOne-yp1qe Great, the sooner the better, because the longer one is homeless the harder it is to get out of the situation, because it eats you as a person, ruins your outlook on life, and can effect your attitude toward others, and that scares others, who will then be much more likely to just avoid you! I wish yo never have to go through it again!👍🖖
Can't donate until the end of the month, but they're getting some from me for sure. My first year on Linux, and for most of it I've been using KDE and really like it. I'm glad to see others willing to donate to help support it.
it's a shame seeing all the what I'm gonna call "free beer absolutists" throw a hissy fit over this. Just because a program is free doesn't mean you shouldn't pay for it. ' I'll give you that thunderbird is way too heavy handed about their donation screens, sure, but once a year as a notification in the corner is nothing to complain about.
Yeah. Comments full of fallacies, like saying that now that KDE has done it, everything will turn into advertising (no basis in reality) or saying that "99% of users disagree with this decision" with the source being out of their asshole.
I'm being real here. I always wanted to donate but my extremely lazy ass never tried to look up where to do it. That popup with the donate button was enough for me. And I absolutely hate ads and popups, but even I am completely fine with this one. This is a well done and chill reminder.
After the updates on Void yesterday I got a pop-up notification. Saw the buttons, and remembering your video about FOSS projects asking for donations, thought "Oh, cool! Wish I could donate right now." It was a small, unobtrusive ask. If I had funds, I'd donate to more projects.
I use Debian stable so i had no notification. I just donated manually 30 euro thanks to your video. I absolutely love KDE and they deserve every cent of it.
I donated when I heard about the polite nag and understood exactly how polite it was. KDE made the decision that they wanted money, and that they wanted money in a way which makes me happy to give them money.
It's wild how much money you're leaving on the table by not asking. KDE did it in the best way possible and I think anyone against this just don't want to pay for the software. community projects need money to survive and getting angry when a developer asks for a dollar isn't gonna put food on their table or give them the drive to continue, quite the opposite.
Honestly, might be a hot-take given Thunderbird being mentioned but: All Thunderbird had to do was open the request for donation IN THUNDERBIRD since Thunderbird is an email-managing Firefox after all thus can load websites, and from there provide a link to the donation page to then open in your browser (just like how the notification for KDE's does with the "Donate now" button), or start the donation process from Thunderbird, seamlessly continuing it in your browser upon selecting the amount. Forcing your default browser to open their website, without any consent nor any context before it (other than simply opening Thunderbird), is simply not cool and is needlessly bad UX - notice how NOBODY suddenly opens your default browser when opening them, except Thunderbird and maybe a few historical rouge antiviruses - everyone else opens them in THEIR applications and/or requires the user to press a button to have their browser be opened first, and for a reason.
I agree with that it should be a prompt that asks you first. But opening it in your actual native browser would most likely give you access to your passwords and everything else that you do not have inside if thunderbird and no one likes to sign in. At the end of the day, it’s still working so any complaints against it are really kind of moot. I hate to say.
the way Thunderbird did it is great, but my mom being mom called me "I can't read my mail because they ask for money!" instead of just closing the tab... so maybe in the future they could somehow make it a bit more obvious for people missing UI elements as easily
Before being aware of this, I was already donating to my distro of choice, Garuda Linux. Soon after I saw your video on this getting added, I decided to add KDE to the organisations I donate to. There are more projects I wish to donate to, but for the moment I am saving all I can and postponing that. And I will keep the notification on my system, as a reminder to check up on my donations.
I saw your video about the KDE donation notification and then totally forgot about it, until I was at school on the 1st of December, started my laptop and got the notification XD
Blender has also been pretty successful with donations! Though they are going about solicitation in a slightly different manner, through social media campaigns instead of built-in popups
I ran an open source project with half a million very active users. I estimate over 300 users made their living using my software, and connected services used by the users overall while using the software saw revenue of over a million for their corresponding usage amount. I had placed the donation request just above the download button. I had something on the order of TWELVE different donors over the approximately 6 year life of the project, with two people donating rather consistently. The largest donation was 100, because while processing a ticket i found what driver caused BSODs on his computer, so not even directly related to the software. Now this was many years ago, these creator support and crowdfunding platforms weren't even a thing back then. Anyway this burned me for life pretty much, like you can't imagine the amount of effort vs. the payoff.
There is a good sponsored work post in KDE's blog titled "[Bug Fix] Per-screen virtual desktops", which is aimed for multi-screen users being able to change virtual desktops while not affecting the other screens, like a window manager/wayland compositor would do. Feel free to chip in if you need this feature too.
KDE has put in a ton of work to become better and more stable. Due to that, I became an annual supporter this year and adopted a few apps. They have earned it.
I donated and I am super happy I could help! I use KDE Plasma for years now on Arch and that's actually my favourite DE ever. I tend to support projects I love and I'd rather do this than buy commercial software. Go KDE! very solid and well grounded FLOSS project.
It’s bad if it’s only first boot in December. They’re gonna miss all the nerds like me who don’t reboot and might not end up seeing it before the month ends! I only learnt from your video and gonna donate to be a part of this big bar on the chart :)
@@moarjankwell my stuff is on desktop and I tend to not put it to sleep ever, since sleep always messes something up eventually, no matter if Linux or Windows. Also on my main desktop ECC RAM helps with stability tremendously (not only thanks to ECC, but mostly because they send the most quality chips to these, while consumers get junk that barely passed the tests for given XMP/EXPO profile) So yeah I may think I only just rebooted the PC recently and then notice oh, it was 30-60 days already. But frankly something like Windows usually barely works in period of 60-120 days, but ironically my longest uptime there of said 120 was solid. Problem with Windows is, and why it’s shitty to keep running compared to Linux, is that every process permanently takes like 32 KB of virtual address mapping, even after it exits, until a reboot. This is forced to be in physical memory, so over time your available memory decreases and this is why on fresh reboot with same software it uses way less. If you have a buggy service that keeps restarting a process rapidly, you’ll quickly run out of all memory (64 GB in a day of restart loop), it’s a kernel design flaw…
@@moarjank yeah, my thing is a desktop and I just don't sleep it since that always breaks something eventually (my laptop has sleep problems with Linux too actually). I've originally put a much longer response here but YT silently deleted it yay
I've been meaning to donate to KDE for a while now since Plasma is by far my favorite DE, but never actually got around to finding the place to do so. This notification was actually pretty helpful for me in that regard! Can't donate right this second, but I saved the link and left a little reminder for myself to donate once I get my paycheck.
I saw the prompt in my notification popup, thought to myself, "Hmm, yes I like KDE, and I have been using it for free, a small donation for the price of a coffee wouldn't be agregious." I clicked on it, donated with Paypal, and was on my way with -$3.00 usd. I think it's fine for opensource projects to ask for donations.
so 44min after upload the around 50k was achieved. So I would estimate 60k in the next to days. I'm a bit to optimistic here but with that trend the 100k would be possible!
I didnt understand before how big of an impact the notificiation causes, i myself would donate if i could but i guess being a nerd i can appreciate the software more compared to a person that just fires up the browser and look at their email
I had this pop-up and then decided to donate (as I did with Thunderbird). It was quite easy. Before, I would have to research to do so, so I didn't... Yeah, am lazy, like most of the people. The pop-up was convenient and so not intrusive. When I saw the pop-up, I was surprised and thought: Is it already in the system? So soon? I am not ready. Then what do I want to be ready for? Let's see how the process looks. It's not like I am forced after the click. Hmm... It's easy and I could donate. Why not? I am using Plasma for 10 years already. So I did. It took me maybe a minute or two.
very based to offer promoting a gnome donation campaign even if you personally don't like gnome as much and disagree with some choices. in the end all linux users benefit from these donations even if they don't flow into a project they use directly. maybe a potential future gnome user builds your future favorite desktop app.
True except they cannot make one based on the design philosophy restrictions if they left the project or did something else that didn’t require them then yes, I totally agree.
What's wild is I've had thunderbird open all day, not once did it ever show the donation pop up. But now watching this, I open thunderbird and all of a sudden I'm given the donation page
end of year is also when KPI's are finalized and the charts are made to please the shareholders. That's also when companies are more likely to donate if they are using FOSS software.
I almost solely use KDE on vanilla arch. I've not seen this notification yet on the 5 December so I'll assume that mass dismissing notifications also counts as a 'No Thanks' so thanks for the reminder to get in there and donate!
Why would I want to remove it? Because I use several computers and I don't want to be asked three times. So I'd keep it on my most used computer, but I will disable it on all other machines.
GG KDE! I hope the money is put to good use. On an unrelated note: Solving that monitor-specific workspaces thing would probably make a lot of people happy, but also take a lot of time and money to pull off. Thanks!
I donated 104€ during the end of the blue Friday Fundraiser. I really enjoyed KDE over the last about two years I'm using it and I feel like I was never more in love with a Desktop Environment since Unity was discontinued. Even when I switch distros at some point in the future, I will probably stick to the KDE desktop.
I haven't seen the popup (consciously) but I am not sure if I have the version where it is in. I specifically upgraded my Kubuntu system to 24.10 to get KDE 6 (Plasma 6.1.5) so maybe it was there? But I did donate because someone on Lemmy posted the "adopt and app" thingy. I am still a bit "salty" that they made me donate twice because the first time I had to choose an app not really on my primary list because the "better" were already full or not up for adoption (yet) :D
5:00 yes, this is much less intrusive and I'd definitely donate if I get that prompt. I've already donated before and this is like a nice reminder every year to the KDE folks. I also wait for Wikipedia to yap at me every year and remind me to donate to them. I don't use Thunderbird so I can't comment on them too much, but yes, I'd be irritated if it opened my browser and took me to a donation page.
12:39 "I wanna know what the number looks like next year, because... Like, do I wanna make a prediction like *100k*?" Right? Like, I don't want to make a prediction like that, but, it's not impossible, right? Maybe it's not likely, but it's certainly not impossible." Brother, not only was it possible, it happened *THIS* year!
The only problem I see with this is what happened to the NPM ecosystem where every single project was spitting out a "please fund me" message. Albeit this pop-up extravaganza would only happen once a year, it would be nice to see more things try what Brave and OpenCollective do, where you donate a set amount of money and it automatically divides it across different projects. And the proportions can either be automatically made based on usage or manually configured.
honestly, they should allow us to adjust how often this shows up too. I don't mind it showing up once a month, even if they let us adjust how many times it shows up each year. Because I'll love to donation 15 or 30 when i have money, tho i keep forgetting the open source ain't free and where to donation.
I don’t know how other countries tax systems work, but in the USofA December is also a time when people start looking at their finances and realize they need to make donations to lower their tax liabilities.
I didn't mind it. Now that I have a consistent income instead of sporadic on call, I was more than happy to donate something. I use it at work and home and I appreciate their work.
Press releases are good and can effectively help but for the hype, the KDE foundation could use their dragon mascot with a cosplayer and do some YT shorts just before december. It is worth a try, i think.
How can we set the virt-manager application not follow scaling in KDE plasma? I have set the desktop scaling to 125% but virt manager and the virtual machines in it scales along with the desktop. Any way to prevent that?
I've Fu updated to kde before, I think it was last year? I donated when prompted another 100 usd - but not theory PP just CC. Super excited about what this means for OSS, kde, etc.
Oh man, KDE has been my daily driver for years and donating never really crossed my mind. Those numbers are criminally low for how much incredible work they put out, so so so glad to see it popping off
As long as KDE's little donation popup stays that unobtrusive, and as long it doesn't spark an "Every Windows 98 application has its own update-checking, file association-defending tray icon"-esque trend, I'm OK with that. Thunderbird's full-window donation reminder, on the other hand, got them put on my "never reward or recommend people who annoy you" blacklist next to anyone who slipped past my multiple layers of ad-blocking.
by the way the KDE calendar contains information on major holidays in your nation based on your timezone/location I think it would make sense to have a notification pop up for christmas ,new years, easter holidays, chinese new years for china etc.
I love this, and I'm glad it's working well for KDE so far. I can see a bit of a risk that a "once a year notification" would be quite overwhelming if all of the 2,783 packages on my Linux desktop realized that this works and then implemented the same. 🤣 Open Source funding is a difficult problem; glad to see some success, hope it continues to evolve and not regress.
I recently donated to KDE. I dont use KDE anymore since it had a few weird issues for me, however i still like it and use it for my parents PC. They are not tech savvy, but ive installed everything they really need and they were, after a bit of trying things out, very happy with it (or at least a bit more happy than with Windows...)
Fundamentally I don't have an issue with donation drives, I was a little bit taken aback by the KDE one but knowing it is once a year and unobtrusive i'm ok with that. I recently had to stop using Thunderbird because of how intrusive and frequent the nag screen is. I'd like to donate more but i'm not in as much of a position to do that currently, but once i'm in a better position I was considering donating to some of the software I use (eg. I love KDE and would probably donate to them more than anything). I was even considering trying Zorin and maybe paying for the 'pro' version for that reason. Anyway, gj KDE
Given that we're only 4-5 days into the month, I think just the PayPal total alone could go above 100k, but I don't think they'll reach 200k (again, only on PayPal).
I don't use KDE, but this video prompted me to donate to syncthing, which I wanted to do for a long time. We're all monkeys in shoes, sometimes we need to be reminded of what the right thing to do is.
They can and should do one on the 1st of December and one on the 1st of June IMHO, I know the donation time is December for so many people, but even just the reminder to squirrel some $$ away would probably help boost their numbers to say nothing of those for whom December is a time they're more strapped for cash. And as to what number I personally think it'll land on, all told from all sources throughout December? If it's at over 50K € now, I think 80K isn't out of the question, 70K feels a bit lower end but possible. We're only 4 days into the month, it could even hit 100K but I think that might be a bit much to expect lol
I will say this much: The donation solicitation popup was only ever so slightly negative to me, and I greatly considered donating until a personal problem arose which kinda sucked out my misc. spending money, so not for a while now. Think about it: it's like any other decision an entity (foundation, company, etc.) does, there will be some supporters, some detractors, and some who are indifferent and will soldier on just as they did before the enactment of the decision. The successful entities are the ones who choose the actions which the supporters outweigh the detrators.
I like to donate to them and whichever distribution I’m currently running at the time. Like last year KDE an Garuda will get my money. And if it’s not a complete hassle one GitHub project. The bigger question is if gnome decided to enact a button like this how in the world would they do it? No one would ever be able to agree on the style and everything as it would be considered intrusive an against their design philosophy. 😂
Hmm, I'm on Arch and haven't had the pop up yet. I don't know if that's a weird configuration related bug or just timing (maybe 1st boot in December isn't that strict) but others may not be getting the prompt yet either.
I'm nearly 2 years into solo booting Linux, figured now is as good of a time as any to say thanks to many the people who not only made it possible but very comfortable to do so. I'd say with plain credit card donations in as well, 100k is easily doable. Idk the ratios, but I just donated on the site without PayPal in the loop. There's gotta be more people out there.
Yay! Finally I got the prompt today (21st December 2024) as well 🙂and this is now my second donation this year and we're at almost 100'000 € for the month December.
I think Valve will disable it because people won't disassociate the DE from Valve so they'll think Valve is asking for donations, but it would be cool if they didn't.
@@lucolesco It makes sense, but also it feels horribly wrong to me to disable the donation popup, because Valve is using KDE in their commercial product. It would only popup (once per year) if user is entering the KDE desktop. The popup makes clear donations being about KDE, but most non Linux users wouldn't probably know what this actually means. Because Steam Deck users do not choose to install and use KDE. I hope something can be done about it.
that would be a great idea to gain the KDE project more support, although I reckon the majority of steam deck users have zero familiarity with KDE or Linux in general, so a lot of them wouldn't be incentivized to donate
I want to donate to KDE but whenever a see a popup it usually makes me not want to Donate to that project; I think that's a me problem as I don't like being told things I already know.
I don't mind an application or DE that I use for free, to have pop up once per week (or 2 weeks?) to request for donation . it is a free application, it is non intrusive if done tastefully and it helps the app I am using to have funds to continue develop.
This donation request pop-up was so non-intrusive that it's almost cute. Glad it works.
i legit thought it was just a nother notification. it took me a bit to realise it was an ask to donate.
Yeah I thought it was cute too
@BrokenConfig there is a huge difference between asking for a donation and whatever the hell windows does. You can even disable this, unlike the shit windows does.
Software needs money to function something as big as KDE wouldn't function without donations
@BrokenConfig it has never been about not paying anything. FOSS is free as in free speech, not as in free beer. Maybe you left windows to get away from licenses, and that's fair, but I don't think it's the sentiment of the community in general
The difference is that this is open source. If KDE was to make intrusive ads, there would be forks that remove them almost immediately.
What KDE did is, in my opinion, one of the best way to do that. One small popup, once a year, at an appropriate time. I'll definitely donate to KDE, its a really nice DE.
I had one the other day, but sadly I'm extremely strapped these days and just can't, and I love KDE, and they have given me nothing but a great value, and treated me fairly and without any flack, which I cannot say for any commercial entity and their products who always end up to be dishonest conniving weasels one way or another!!
@Bob-of-Zoid Don't feel bad. This is an "if you can and if you want to". None will be mad at you!
@@firemaster2229 I know, I don't feel bad as I too know it's not something to even feel bad about, it is what it is, but I'm all about honesty and integrity, and here on social media if I didn't add that, nor lie and say I donated it's all to easy for someone to in no time flat, come to the conclusion that because I didn't virtue signal by saying I donated it means I didn't, and get on my case bout it when I really can't, so I got it out of the way by in the post as a buffer. So many with alack of logical and critical thinking skills, in between the lines readers and armchair psychologists all ready to pounce on social media these days, it's downright sad! But as good as I can be, I can take them down hard too if need be!
Besides contributing can be many things and they need help with all sorts, and so I do make good suggestions for features, additions to stuff, or minor changes when people talk about annoyances like here on UA-cam... everywhere but maybe not to them directly, If I agree with the suggestion then I check so if I can't find it, I will tell KDE, so they know. I focus on stuff that would benefit many users, not the kind of oddball features some ask for that few would need. I add details fitting to layout, functionality,... and how I think they would work best within their ecosystem because a lot of apps by KDE have functions and features you can access from within other apps, Like Krename a stand alone app accessible in Dolphin (Kolphins would be too weird😁). I also, report bugs and add info to existing ones so they have more to work with. I help users on the forum when I can, and all contributions that may be work for them but also give users more reason to use KDE: More users = more donations!🤑 So it's all good.😉
Oh, and when I read your handle "Fire marshal Bill" popped into my head and I cracked up for a minute remembering that far out insane character!🤪🤣 If you don't know who that is, then see if you can find some videos featuring him, but be warned because it's very funny and not for people who too easily piss themselves when they see stuff like that🥴, or laugh so hard they can't breath!😵 😜
@@firemaster2229 Agreed. I'll try to remember to donate when things aren't as tight but I won't feel bad for not being able to afford to right now. As-is, I'm already overspent part-way into January's budget because of added holiday expenses.
Ive never donated to KDE before, but that prompt made me want to. Of all the things to be subscribed to, a piece of FOSS I use on a daily basis is probably one of the best.
KDE has corporate sponsorships, try supporting the little guy if you can.
Me too
Same. The next one for me to donate to is KMyMoney or KiCAD.
@@nobodyimportant7804 people complain about big FOSS projects being beholden to the interests of corporate donors. If you don't want that to be the case then the users of the project need to donate
@@nobodyimportant7804 A lot of developers have corporate sponsorship that have such a wide range of software's, and really good ones too, It wasn't always like that for most of them, and KDE earned it on their own merit for delivering good stuff, but it doesn't cover all it's needs because they have so much to maintain, and keep current, as well as bug free as possible and feature rich.
I do agree that the little guys need donations too, but even more so the hidden behind the scenes and under the hood guys! The stuff that goes unnoticed, like all of the stuff a great many programs rely on that cannot go neglected: Stuf like ffmpg, image magic, reverse engineered drivers the MFG doesn't provide for Linux, and kernel modules making Linux rival Windows in support, speed, and efficiency, is in the most need of support for going unnoticed!
14 years ago my employer had (may still have, I don't work in the IT dept. any more) a policy of annually working out how much money they would have paid for commercial software if they weren't using an OSS alternative for a particular task, and donating a set-portion of that to the project(s) responsible for the savings, justifying it to accounting as keeping the cost-saving software both available and technically-competitive (this was for smaller OSS projects, for the mission-critical stuff, they got paid-support OSS, where it made economic sense over a supported-closed-software solution, of course).
Man, you had a good boss! Many other bosses would just shove Mac OS or Windows in your face and say "deal with it".
@@WilliamShinal Or use the F/OSS and never give back until the maintainer burnt out or had something happen to them that made work impossible, etc
That’s genius
My company does this and we’ve been doing it since we were born :))
Once a year, not intrusive, perfectly fine
@BrokenConfig probably gonna get a lot better with the funding
@BrokenConfigYou’re the pathetic one. Go troll somewhere else.
@BrokenConfig >Made the Linux desktop worse
Use a different DE? Or are you incapable.
@BrokenConfig negative nancy
@BrokenConfigNo one asked about what distro or DE/WM you are using.
And now we've hit 50k on KDE 💪
Superb!! You deserve it! Sadly I got the popup too (almost didn't even see it) but am on the threshold of becoming homeless, but I have donated in the past, and may again if I can survive the next 4 years with our new US administration, no one in their right mind should have voted for, but deliberately against with extreme prejudice, and they have me on their hit list too, so my chances are now greatly diminished!
I am all for you making it larger, with a link to all the things the money pays for and the requirements vs what you get... and right in the middle of the screen! This is important, and it's not like the vast majority of people spend their money wisely, and gladly pay greedy corporations inflated prices for over hyped garbage they have little real use for, and goes rarely used if ever after the initial thrill wears off and the buyers remorse kicks in!
@@Bob-of-Zoid hope you can pull through, good sir!
@@kevinrineer5356 I have an incurable disease and been there a few times already, but am also resourceful, and so if it happens, it wont be for long, and have always got back in service again in under 2 months, although I am 61 already, which may just make it a bit harder, but I know better than complaining and moping around, as it doesn't work, you have to actively do something to succeed and that in any situation!
Oh and thanks for your compassion, as it's a very rare thing these days, and is in extremely short supply as of late! Depending where you are in this world, things may get rough for you too, so stay alert, and be ready to deal with bad situations, because there are people now actively and deliberately working very hard to make sure a lot of people will find themselves in one, and very soon too, history has all but shown, and all the signs ere here and now, and shit is hitting the fan already, and it will get a lot worse, before things even start to get better, and the latter may be decades from now.
@@Bob-of-Zoid I'm rooting for you! I just got out of the homeless pit and it is a terrible place to be in...
@@NoOne-yp1qe Great, the sooner the better, because the longer one is homeless the harder it is to get out of the situation, because it eats you as a person, ruins your outlook on life, and can effect your attitude toward others, and that scares others, who will then be much more likely to just avoid you!
I wish yo never have to go through it again!👍🖖
Can't donate until the end of the month, but they're getting some from me for sure. My first year on Linux, and for most of it I've been using KDE and really like it. I'm glad to see others willing to donate to help support it.
We should have a centralised platform we could call it Only Foss or OF for short that way the proprietary guys will know it's not for them.
Donations work when people know that they can donate!? What a shock 😮
The KDE donate prompt reminded me to donate and not only to KDE but also other open source projects I use.
yeah, whenever I get reminded to donate to one I remember to go donate to other projects I'm using
I need to make a list!
@@jamesrivettcarnacI made one. It's a must if you don't want to forget a project.
it's a shame seeing all the what I'm gonna call "free beer absolutists" throw a hissy fit over this.
Just because a program is free doesn't mean you shouldn't pay for it. '
I'll give you that thunderbird is way too heavy handed about their donation screens, sure, but once a year as a notification in the corner is nothing to complain about.
Yeah. Comments full of fallacies, like saying that now that KDE has done it, everything will turn into advertising (no basis in reality) or saying that "99% of users disagree with this decision" with the source being out of their asshole.
I'm being real here. I always wanted to donate but my extremely lazy ass never tried to look up where to do it. That popup with the donate button was enough for me.
And I absolutely hate ads and popups, but even I am completely fine with this one. This is a well done and chill reminder.
After the updates on Void yesterday I got a pop-up notification. Saw the buttons, and remembering your video about FOSS projects asking for donations, thought "Oh, cool! Wish I could donate right now."
It was a small, unobtrusive ask. If I had funds, I'd donate to more projects.
one of the video tags is "Thunferbird"
thunferbird is my favourite mail app, could even take over thunderbird in popularity!
It is OFF, or Open Fource Foftware
I guess it's emails, but in Futhark.
Thunferbirf
how do you see tags?
Gnome: *received big money from fundraisers
KDE: "Fine, I'll do it myself."
I use Debian stable so i had no notification. I just donated manually 30 euro thanks to your video. I absolutely love KDE and they deserve every cent of it.
I donated when I heard about the polite nag and understood exactly how polite it was. KDE made the decision that they wanted money, and that they wanted money in a way which makes me happy to give them money.
just donated 5. Its the first time I donate anything, they just had to ask
fr, im waiting for my first paycheck lol, kde&cachyos&gentoo gettin sum
@@anonymoususerinterfaceGentoo W
It's wild how much money you're leaving on the table by not asking. KDE did it in the best way possible and I think anyone against this just don't want to pay for the software. community projects need money to survive and getting angry when a developer asks for a dollar isn't gonna put food on their table or give them the drive to continue, quite the opposite.
Let’s get this to 100k
Honestly, might be a hot-take given Thunderbird being mentioned but:
All Thunderbird had to do was open the request for donation IN THUNDERBIRD since Thunderbird is an email-managing Firefox after all thus can load websites, and from there provide a link to the donation page to then open in your browser (just like how the notification for KDE's does with the "Donate now" button), or start the donation process from Thunderbird, seamlessly continuing it in your browser upon selecting the amount.
Forcing your default browser to open their website, without any consent nor any context before it (other than simply opening Thunderbird), is simply not cool and is needlessly bad UX - notice how NOBODY suddenly opens your default browser when opening them, except Thunderbird and maybe a few historical rouge antiviruses - everyone else opens them in THEIR applications and/or requires the user to press a button to have their browser be opened first, and for a reason.
I can it being too intrusive for some, and there's pretty good arguments that they're oversaturating the user with requests now
I agree with that it should be a prompt that asks you first. But opening it in your actual native browser would most likely give you access to your passwords and everything else that you do not have inside if thunderbird and no one likes to sign in.
At the end of the day, it’s still working so any complaints against it are really kind of moot. I hate to say.
the way Thunderbird did it is great, but my mom being mom called me "I can't read my mail because they ask for money!" instead of just closing the tab...
so maybe in the future they could somehow make it a bit more obvious for people missing UI elements as easily
Before being aware of this, I was already donating to my distro of choice, Garuda Linux.
Soon after I saw your video on this getting added, I decided to add KDE to the organisations I donate to.
There are more projects I wish to donate to, but for the moment I am saving all I can and postponing that.
And I will keep the notification on my system, as a reminder to check up on my donations.
I saw your video about the KDE donation notification and then totally forgot about it, until I was at school on the 1st of December, started my laptop and got the notification XD
Blender has also been pretty successful with donations! Though they are going about solicitation in a slightly different manner, through social media campaigns instead of built-in popups
The spirit of giving is infectious.
I ran an open source project with half a million very active users. I estimate over 300 users made their living using my software, and connected services used by the users overall while using the software saw revenue of over a million for their corresponding usage amount.
I had placed the donation request just above the download button.
I had something on the order of TWELVE different donors over the approximately 6 year life of the project, with two people donating rather consistently. The largest donation was 100, because while processing a ticket i found what driver caused BSODs on his computer, so not even directly related to the software.
Now this was many years ago, these creator support and crowdfunding platforms weren't even a thing back then.
Anyway this burned me for life pretty much, like you can't imagine the amount of effort vs. the payoff.
There is a good sponsored work post in KDE's blog titled "[Bug Fix] Per-screen virtual desktops", which is aimed for multi-screen users being able to change virtual desktops while not affecting the other screens, like a window manager/wayland compositor would do. Feel free to chip in if you need this feature too.
KDE has put in a ton of work to become better and more stable. Due to that, I became an annual supporter this year and adopted a few apps. They have earned it.
🎉🎉
I donated and I am super happy I could help! I use KDE Plasma for years now on Arch and that's actually my favourite DE ever. I tend to support projects I love and I'd rather do this than buy commercial software. Go KDE! very solid and well grounded FLOSS project.
Every donation to The KDE Project makes Konqi grow stronger 💪🐲
Looking forward to that massively ripped Conqui fan art then 😂
It’s bad if it’s only first boot in December. They’re gonna miss all the nerds like me who don’t reboot and might not end up seeing it before the month ends!
I only learnt from your video and gonna donate to be a part of this big bar on the chart :)
I'm so jealous that your Bios has a functioning ACPI 😂 my brand new laptop can't hybernate since last firnware update
@@moarjankwell my stuff is on desktop and I tend to not put it to sleep ever, since sleep always messes something up eventually, no matter if Linux or Windows. Also on my main desktop ECC RAM helps with stability tremendously (not only thanks to ECC, but mostly because they send the most quality chips to these, while consumers get junk that barely passed the tests for given XMP/EXPO profile)
So yeah I may think I only just rebooted the PC recently and then notice oh, it was 30-60 days already. But frankly something like Windows usually barely works in period of 60-120 days, but ironically my longest uptime there of said 120 was solid.
Problem with Windows is, and why it’s shitty to keep running compared to Linux, is that every process permanently takes like 32 KB of virtual address mapping, even after it exits, until a reboot. This is forced to be in physical memory, so over time your available memory decreases and this is why on fresh reboot with same software it uses way less. If you have a buggy service that keeps restarting a process rapidly, you’ll quickly run out of all memory (64 GB in a day of restart loop), it’s a kernel design flaw…
@@moarjank I just never let my computer sleep, much less hibernate
@@moarjank yeah, my thing is a desktop and I just don't sleep it since that always breaks something eventually (my laptop has sleep problems with Linux too actually). I've originally put a much longer response here but YT silently deleted it yay
it actually got me to donate, which I didn't even think about prior to the popup showing. this is a good thing
I've been meaning to donate to KDE for a while now since Plasma is by far my favorite DE, but never actually got around to finding the place to do so. This notification was actually pretty helpful for me in that regard! Can't donate right this second, but I saved the link and left a little reminder for myself to donate once I get my paycheck.
I saw the prompt in my notification popup, thought to myself, "Hmm, yes I like KDE, and I have been using it for free, a small donation for the price of a coffee wouldn't be agregious." I clicked on it, donated with Paypal, and was on my way with -$3.00 usd. I think it's fine for opensource projects to ask for donations.
0:25 btw the caption says "fattyverse" in place of "Fediverse" 😅
I mean it's not wrong...
BlueSky unofficial name discovered!
so 44min after upload the around 50k was achieved. So I would estimate 60k in the next to days. I'm a bit to optimistic here but with that trend the 100k would be possible!
We actually hit 100k!
I didnt understand before how big of an impact the notificiation causes, i myself would donate if i could but i guess being a nerd i can appreciate the software more compared to a person that just fires up the browser and look at their email
I had this pop-up and then decided to donate (as I did with Thunderbird). It was quite easy. Before, I would have to research to do so, so I didn't... Yeah, am lazy, like most of the people. The pop-up was convenient and so not intrusive.
When I saw the pop-up, I was surprised and thought: Is it already in the system? So soon? I am not ready. Then what do I want to be ready for? Let's see how the process looks. It's not like I am forced after the click. Hmm... It's easy and I could donate. Why not? I am using Plasma for 10 years already. So I did. It took me maybe a minute or two.
very based to offer promoting a gnome donation campaign even if you personally don't like gnome as much and disagree with some choices. in the end all linux users benefit from these donations even if they don't flow into a project they use directly. maybe a potential future gnome user builds your future favorite desktop app.
True except they cannot make one based on the design philosophy restrictions if they left the project or did something else that didn’t require them then yes, I totally agree.
@Jaymal10 maybe i gave a poor example. in general i meant 'more linux = more good'
I saw it on my laptop the other day and I sent $10 their way. I love KDE and I use it everyday. Of course I'll donate to keep the project funded.
What's wild is I've had thunderbird open all day, not once did it ever show the donation pop up. But now watching this, I open thunderbird and all of a sudden I'm given the donation page
end of year is also when KPI's are finalized and the charts are made to please the shareholders. That's also when companies are more likely to donate if they are using FOSS software.
I almost solely use KDE on vanilla arch. I've not seen this notification yet on the 5 December so I'll assume that mass dismissing notifications also counts as a 'No Thanks' so thanks for the reminder to get in there and donate!
Why would I want to remove it? Because I use several computers and I don't want to be asked three times. So I'd keep it on my most used computer, but I will disable it on all other machines.
That's fair
7:02 50k has in fact already happened, LMFAO
I wasn't expecting to spot Pipkin Pippa here (3:47), nice.
GG KDE! I hope the money is put to good use.
On an unrelated note: Solving that monitor-specific workspaces thing would probably make a lot of people happy, but also take a lot of time and money to pull off. Thanks!
And here I thought I finally had an OS last long enough to trigger, say, a six-month alert.
Love the Pipkin Pippa cameo on your Twitter haha
I donated 104€ during the end of the blue Friday Fundraiser. I really enjoyed KDE over the last about two years I'm using it and I feel like I was never more in love with a Desktop Environment since Unity was discontinued.
Even when I switch distros at some point in the future, I will probably stick to the KDE desktop.
End of year is also when businesses make a push for donation matching to cut tax burden
I noticed the pop up... thought it was odd, but its wasn't that annoying. Glad to know its not going to happen all the time right now.
Oh crap I forgot about the prompt already. The first day it showed up, I didn't have anything to spare, but now I should find that prompt again
I haven't seen the popup (consciously) but I am not sure if I have the version where it is in. I specifically upgraded my Kubuntu system to 24.10 to get KDE 6 (Plasma 6.1.5) so maybe it was there?
But I did donate because someone on Lemmy posted the "adopt and app" thingy. I am still a bit "salty" that they made me donate twice because the first time I had to choose an app not really on my primary list because the "better" were already full or not up for adoption (yet) :D
5:00 yes, this is much less intrusive and I'd definitely donate if I get that prompt. I've already donated before and this is like a nice reminder every year to the KDE folks. I also wait for Wikipedia to yap at me every year and remind me to donate to them. I don't use Thunderbird so I can't comment on them too much, but yes, I'd be irritated if it opened my browser and took me to a donation page.
12:39 "I wanna know what the number looks like next year, because... Like, do I wanna make a prediction like *100k*?" Right? Like, I don't want to make a prediction like that, but, it's not impossible, right? Maybe it's not likely, but it's certainly not impossible."
Brother, not only was it possible, it happened *THIS* year!
The only problem I see with this is what happened to the NPM ecosystem where every single project was spitting out a "please fund me" message. Albeit this pop-up extravaganza would only happen once a year, it would be nice to see more things try what Brave and OpenCollective do, where you donate a set amount of money and it automatically divides it across different projects. And the proportions can either be automatically made based on usage or manually configured.
honestly, they should allow us to adjust how often this shows up too. I don't mind it showing up once a month, even if they let us adjust how many times it shows up each year. Because I'll love to donation 15 or 30 when i have money, tho i keep forgetting the open source ain't free and where to donation.
I don’t know how other countries tax systems work, but in the USofA December is also a time when people start looking at their finances and realize they need to make donations to lower their tax liabilities.
I donated after I installed KDE on my laptop running Fedora. What is the fastest way to kill that jank, is to help the KDE hire QA and designers :D
I didn't mind it. Now that I have a consistent income instead of sporadic on call, I was more than happy to donate something. I use it at work and home and I appreciate their work.
Press releases are good and can effectively help but for the hype, the KDE foundation could use their dragon mascot with a cosplayer and do some YT shorts just before december. It is worth a try, i think.
It would be very funny to see them do some Duolingo style ads
Given the stereotype of furries being suspiciously rich IT guys, that sounds like a nice idea
I've never had an issue with FOSS that had nagware.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
If you need to use it, donate to it, or fork it.
How can we set the virt-manager application not follow scaling in KDE plasma? I have set the desktop scaling to 125% but virt manager and the virtual machines in it scales along with the desktop. Any way to prevent that?
System Settings > Display and Monitor > Display Configuration > Apply scaling themselves
@SussyBaka-nx4ge Still the vm scales with the desktop.
The hand gestures from the preview looked funny w/o any audio to accompany them.
I'm really glad to see this much engagement from the community. Long live KDE!
I said out loud "I wish I could but I'm broke" when it popped up 😆
I've Fu updated to kde before, I think it was last year? I donated when prompted another 100 usd - but not theory PP just CC. Super excited about what this means for OSS, kde, etc.
Oh man, KDE has been my daily driver for years and donating never really crossed my mind. Those numbers are criminally low for how much incredible work they put out, so so so glad to see it popping off
As long as KDE's little donation popup stays that unobtrusive, and as long it doesn't spark an "Every Windows 98 application has its own update-checking, file association-defending tray icon"-esque trend, I'm OK with that. Thunderbird's full-window donation reminder, on the other hand, got them put on my "never reward or recommend people who annoy you" blacklist next to anyone who slipped past my multiple layers of ad-blocking.
by the way the KDE calendar contains information on major holidays in your nation based on your timezone/location
I think it would make sense to have a notification pop up for christmas ,new years, easter holidays, chinese new years for china etc.
I recently donated from the popup! I like it, it's nicely worded :)
Hey there is a Frieren plushie behind you! I know because I bought the same one as a gift for a friend!
Always support your local FOSS project. KDE deserves our support.
I love this, and I'm glad it's working well for KDE so far. I can see a bit of a risk that a "once a year notification" would be quite overwhelming if all of the 2,783 packages on my Linux desktop realized that this works and then implemented the same. 🤣 Open Source funding is a difficult problem; glad to see some success, hope it continues to evolve and not regress.
Do FOSS donations count towards US tax write offs? If so, that's another reason why folks would donate more often in December.
I recently donated to KDE. I dont use KDE anymore since it had a few weird issues for me, however i still like it and use it for my parents PC. They are not tech savvy, but ive installed everything they really need and they were, after a bit of trying things out, very happy with it (or at least a bit more happy than with Windows...)
Fundamentally I don't have an issue with donation drives, I was a little bit taken aback by the KDE one but knowing it is once a year and unobtrusive i'm ok with that. I recently had to stop using Thunderbird because of how intrusive and frequent the nag screen is.
I'd like to donate more but i'm not in as much of a position to do that currently, but once i'm in a better position I was considering donating to some of the software I use (eg. I love KDE and would probably donate to them more than anything). I was even considering trying Zorin and maybe paying for the 'pro' version for that reason.
Anyway, gj KDE
Given that we're only 4-5 days into the month, I think just the PayPal total alone could go above 100k, but I don't think they'll reach 200k (again, only on PayPal).
I understand why, and that it is effective - but I have hundreds or 1000s of packages that make up my system. How many pop-ups are ok?
I don't use KDE, but this video prompted me to donate to syncthing, which I wanted to do for a long time.
We're all monkeys in shoes, sometimes we need to be reminded of what the right thing to do is.
They can and should do one on the 1st of December and one on the 1st of June IMHO, I know the donation time is December for so many people, but even just the reminder to squirrel some $$ away would probably help boost their numbers to say nothing of those for whom December is a time they're more strapped for cash.
And as to what number I personally think it'll land on, all told from all sources throughout December? If it's at over 50K € now, I think 80K isn't out of the question, 70K feels a bit lower end but possible. We're only 4 days into the month, it could even hit 100K but I think that might be a bit much to expect lol
Also many people might go low on money in December/January as they buy presents and/or have big yearly expenses
I'll float it by some people, a mid year also makes a lot of sense
I will say this much: The donation solicitation popup was only ever so slightly negative to me, and I greatly considered donating until a personal problem arose which kinda sucked out my misc. spending money, so not for a while now. Think about it: it's like any other decision an entity (foundation, company, etc.) does, there will be some supporters, some detractors, and some who are indifferent and will soldier on just as they did before the enactment of the decision. The successful entities are the ones who choose the actions which the supporters outweigh the detrators.
Omg, these margins… KDE could be so beautiful, but I can't put this on my eyes. How can they not see this?
The two rules of Brodie:
1. Brodie is always right.
2. If Brodie is wrong refer to the first rule.
Hey, he stole them from me!
So he has an openly expressed feminine side?
that notification almost made me donate again, but i did so recently i skipped it. but yeah, very clearly effective.
I like to donate to them and whichever distribution I’m currently running at the time.
Like last year KDE an Garuda will get my money. And if it’s not a complete hassle one GitHub project.
The bigger question is if gnome decided to enact a button like this how in the world would they do it? No one would ever be able to agree on the style and everything as it would be considered intrusive an against their design philosophy. 😂
Hmm, I'm on Arch and haven't had the pop up yet. I don't know if that's a weird configuration related bug or just timing (maybe 1st boot in December isn't that strict) but others may not be getting the prompt yet either.
I'm nearly 2 years into solo booting Linux, figured now is as good of a time as any to say thanks to many the people who not only made it possible but very comfortable to do so.
I'd say with plain credit card donations in as well, 100k is easily doable. Idk the ratios, but I just donated on the site without PayPal in the loop. There's gotta be more people out there.
Superb video! I really appreciate it 💜
Yay! Finally I got the prompt today (21st December 2024) as well 🙂and this is now my second donation this year and we're at almost 100'000 € for the month December.
I wonder if this will popup on Steam Deck too, after KDE update reached them.
I think Valve will disable it because people won't disassociate the DE from Valve so they'll think Valve is asking for donations, but it would be cool if they didn't.
@@lucolesco It makes sense, but also it feels horribly wrong to me to disable the donation popup, because Valve is using KDE in their commercial product. It would only popup (once per year) if user is entering the KDE desktop.
The popup makes clear donations being about KDE, but most non Linux users wouldn't probably know what this actually means. Because Steam Deck users do not choose to install and use KDE.
I hope something can be done about it.
that would be a great idea to gain the KDE project more support, although I reckon the majority of steam deck users have zero familiarity with KDE or Linux in general, so a lot of them wouldn't be incentivized to donate
Doesn't Valve fund KDE more directly tho?
@@mskiptr I am not aware of that.
I haven't seen this yet. Does this only display when a login happens?
I updated about 10 days ago on Arch.
I did donate to some projects this year. We should all do. For some projects it is even hard to find out how. So I agree. There is a lot to gain here.
I actually liked that little popup. When I have the money to spend I'm planning on donating in the future
I want to donate to KDE but whenever a see a popup it usually makes me not want to Donate to that project; I think that's a me problem as I don't like being told things I already know.
I don't mind an application or DE that I use for free, to have pop up once per week (or 2 weeks?) to request for donation .
it is a free application, it is non intrusive if done tastefully and it helps the app I am using to have funds to continue develop.
Nah this is very intrusive
Glad to learn that Thunderbird is alive and kicking again! It hasn't always been so the last 7 years.
I haven't got that pop-up yet, I'll definitely donate when I do, KDE is awesome!
Just booted my Manjaro machine w/ Plasma to check, didn't see the prompt. Going to update r/n.