Why Michael Shellenberger Went 'Rogue'

Поділитися
Вставка
  • Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
  • Watch the full Real Talk with Zuby ft. Michael Shellenberger here:
    • Michael Shellenberger ...
    Zuby and Michael Shellenberger engage in a conversation about investigative journalism, the evolution of media platforms, and the thrill of uncovering new truths. Shellenberger shares his journey from advocating for nuclear power to becoming a full-time investigative journalist, driven by a desire to challenge mainstream narratives and reveal overlooked facts. He discusses the impact of technology, such as Substack, in democratizing media and allowing independent voices to flourish. Shellenberger highlights the importance of empiricism over ideology in shaping public discourse and driving positive change. Through personal anecdotes and reflections, he underscores the excitement of investigative work and the pursuit of uncovering new perspectives.
    Follow Zuby:
    / zubymusic
    / zubymusic
    / zubymusic
    Follow Michael:
    / shellenberger
    Subscribe to the 'Real Talk With Zuby' podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify & more - fanlink.to/zub...
    Merch, Music & Books - teamzuby.com
    Support Zuby on Patreon - / zubymusic
    Support Zuby on Locals - teamzuby.local...
    'Strong Advice: Zuby's Guide to Fitness For Everybody' eBook - gumroad.com/l/...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 70

  • @craftwalt
    @craftwalt 4 місяці тому +90

    You asked the guy a question and then you let him answer at length with out interrupting him. How refreshing. Thank you.

  • @NinjaKittyBonks
    @NinjaKittyBonks 4 місяці тому +42

    I remember when journalists were allowed to question everything and report as they concluded. We have now seen a journalist [perp-walked] for not just a misdemeanor, but after being saying he would turn himself in, upon request. These are indeed terrifying times and we must stand up for a free press.

    • @micolislongis5558
      @micolislongis5558 4 місяці тому +5

      Unfortunately, my conclusion after 30 years of thinking about the issue of organising human society is that there is no long term sustainable option; there are just cycles. The boomers caught and rode the best part of the wave, and we are now about to crash. And then we will rebuild. This is why I refuse to propagate my genome.

    • @mustang607
      @mustang607 4 місяці тому

      Many millions of minds have been oppressed by the, diversity is exclusion cult. That is how it grows.

  • @RichardGeiszler
    @RichardGeiszler 4 місяці тому +28

    The market has determined his Substack has value. Free market on the internet.

  • @DangRenBo
    @DangRenBo 4 місяці тому +13

    1:00 I don't understand why people on both sides refuse to accept the current nuclear is a "good enough" stopgap solution. We should have give all-in in the 90s and used that for fifty years until something better was invented, but instead we just kept using coal and gas while waiting for that same something better until maybe it's too late.

    • @dixonpinfold2582
      @dixonpinfold2582 4 місяці тому +5

      France and Canada both kept their heads and stuck with nuclear (esp. France, which doesn't have hydro like Canada). It's worked out well for them. Germany made the foolish mistake of dumping nuclear in favor of Russian gas, which nearly led to an immense disaster. It lost the gas and then had to build LNG port facilities in an absolute panic. They almost had to start burning wood for heat.

    • @bx3556
      @bx3556 4 місяці тому +2

      Because the bad guys crap on good ideas. And the good guys often fall for it.

  • @mdhen4
    @mdhen4 4 місяці тому +28

    To my knowledge Shellenberger is correct about climate change and Zuby is well balanced. The irony if he is correct that he "failed" for being right which suggests the current way to "win" is by being wrong.

    • @TTFN55
      @TTFN55 4 місяці тому +1

      Precisely.

  • @cladladd
    @cladladd 4 місяці тому +8

    lets hope that they don't start doing to theses whistleblowers what boeing does to them. Protect These People

  • @pinnitt
    @pinnitt 4 місяці тому +10

    Good interview and good interviewer! I’m very happy for Michael’s success

  • @ArnoWalter
    @ArnoWalter 4 місяці тому +3

    The problem with nuclear power is humans and politics. Just look up why Fukushima Daiichi blew up and Fukushima Daini didn't. Even so they're the same NPP hid by the same tsunami. Hell even Chernobyl was considered to be the safest reactor design until it wasn't.

  • @416dl
    @416dl 4 місяці тому +2

    Always love to see Michael in interview as his point are beautifully articulated and are far more than just expanding his argument but also reveals more about the issues that motivate us in very real ways. I also notice that his bookshelf includes Tupy and Pooley's "Superabundance" which I think is one of the best books that pops the bubble of fear that so pervades the public sphere. I wish everyone would read it and begin seeing the reality of how civilization and the modern economic industrial system brings so much to the world. Cheers.

  • @missano3856
    @missano3856 4 місяці тому +9

    Glad to see someone hasn't got the SMR fever. Sodium cooled fast reactors are potentially great but nothing is fundamentally wrong with present reactors.

    • @gagamba9198
      @gagamba9198 4 місяці тому +1

      Reliance on water for cooling means they need to be beside oceans, lakes, and major rivers (that don't dry up during droughts, so no nuclear reactor on the Rio Grande). This happens to be the most desirable and productive real estate - areas w/ large population. Need an alternative cooling solution that allows marginal/undesirable land to be used and makes it viable for those areas that don't have abundant water resources. And moving reactors away from populated areas also addresses NIMBYism.

    • @missano3856
      @missano3856 4 місяці тому +2

      @gagamba9198 I believe Palo Verde in AZ is the only nuclear power plant in the world not located on a body of water

    • @M0rmagil
      @M0rmagil 4 місяці тому +3

      Nothing is wrong, per se, but if nuclear was done right we really could have energy ‘too cheap to meter’.

    • @M0rmagil
      @M0rmagil 4 місяці тому

      @@gagamba9198 removing water from reactor designs is an important step to improvement in safety, efficiency and performance.

    • @wheel-man5319
      @wheel-man5319 4 місяці тому

      @@gagamba9198 Not so. See Palo Verde in Arizona for the reputation of that!

  • @Duh_Huh_24
    @Duh_Huh_24 4 місяці тому +2

    Asking questions like this expose your gig. You're a surface level guy.

  • @lizarosa156
    @lizarosa156 3 місяці тому

    Shellenbrrger is so amazingly intelligent. Please lose any political party. Studying insurance data and actuaries tells so much about USA.

  • @MarttiSuomivuori
    @MarttiSuomivuori 4 місяці тому

    Hey, I have that book! Shellenberger makes it too much of himself. That's the negative part.

  • @lisavanoni6552
    @lisavanoni6552 4 місяці тому +2

    Love Mike thanks for post

  • @GregBoyce-yx3eh
    @GregBoyce-yx3eh 3 місяці тому

    I’m counterculture cancel culture is the new term for climate denying and for denying pocket lining in politics I am really laughing at the whole bunch. You keep using the cancel culture and what a bunch of rubbish. What are you teaching in school now?😅😅😅

  • @juegacomocampeon4493
    @juegacomocampeon4493 4 місяці тому +1

    Shelly just rocks 👍🏼 👍🏼

  • @justsomeguy1141
    @justsomeguy1141 4 місяці тому +1

    John Jones, is that you?

  • @WayneLynch69
    @WayneLynch69 3 місяці тому

    Michael is such a gift

  • @mustang607
    @mustang607 4 місяці тому

    Sounds like revenge of another oppressed critical thinking mind.

  • @dannysullivan3951
    @dannysullivan3951 3 місяці тому

    Shillenberger

  • @BeXEllenttoeachother
    @BeXEllenttoeachother 4 місяці тому

    What a great interview. Zuby and Michael are heroes.

  • @AnDreasDondo
    @AnDreasDondo 4 місяці тому +1

    UA-cam is deleting Comments

    • @wheel-man5319
      @wheel-man5319 4 місяці тому

      Only you know if they blocked you... Unfortunately the rest of us can't tell what caused the censors to block you.

    • @AnDreasDondo
      @AnDreasDondo 4 місяці тому

      @@wheel-man5319 I solely commented “Nuclear is the Future” only for it to be deleted 1 minute later.

    • @wheel-man5319
      @wheel-man5319 4 місяці тому

      @@AnDreasDondo excellent evidence. I'm not, by the way disagreeing with you.
      I'm fairly sure that they don't even let me post at times.

    • @Daekar3
      @Daekar3 4 місяці тому

      I see my comments deleted on UA-cam all the time, even innocuous ones. I don't know if they're bad at censorship or the comments system just really stinks.

  • @stvargas69
    @stvargas69 4 місяці тому

    How can a rogue go further rogue? Yes, expose those guys but not us?!

  • @dwightwilson1764
    @dwightwilson1764 4 місяці тому +2

    Fascinating guy.

  • @carlharmeling512
    @carlharmeling512 4 місяці тому

    So why did he go rogue? I sort of missed that.

    • @griffinharvey3910
      @griffinharvey3910 4 місяці тому

      Just listen to it over again. He answers it in the first few minutes, then continues to elaborate. :-)

    • @carlharmeling512
      @carlharmeling512 4 місяці тому

      @@griffinharvey3910He went rogue because he failed in his promotion of nuclear energy and then decided to put his chips on writing a book about all his grievances in one volume and hope that it sells? Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.

    • @griffinharvey3910
      @griffinharvey3910 4 місяці тому +1

      @@carlharmeling512 Makes total sense to me. He no longer had the financial support of the donors he'd had. Book didn't achieve the desired financial return. One has to have an income to put a roof over your head, and food on the table. It's all in perspective isn't it? 🙂

    • @carlharmeling512
      @carlharmeling512 4 місяці тому

      @@griffinharvey3910 If he went rogue for financial reasons then he’s not much better than a thief.

  • @PlanetJimmer
    @PlanetJimmer 4 місяці тому

    (Current) Nuclear is OK for the environment (there is the waste to consider) until there is an accident and then it is devastating so Shellenberger is not being honest about it.

  • @dannysullivan3951
    @dannysullivan3951 4 місяці тому

    Not crying any tears over Schellenberger getting ‘cancelled’ for peddling bs.

    • @micolislongis5558
      @micolislongis5558 4 місяці тому +2

      Why are my responses being deleted by utube ai

    • @M0rmagil
      @M0rmagil 4 місяці тому +1

      I’ve been noticing that too. 😑

    • @missano3856
      @missano3856 4 місяці тому +2

      Where do you disagree with him?

    • @micolislongis5558
      @micolislongis5558 4 місяці тому

      Daniel, genuinely interested, can u point me in the right direction. For me this is an intellectual, not existential, issue as I'm a "last generation" boy; but I love my intellectual deep dives so please, if you would. Many thanks.

    • @M0rmagil
      @M0rmagil 4 місяці тому +5

      @@micolislongis5558 Danny’s a postmodern lefty. He’s not interested in facts, he hates Shelly because he’s left the party and doesn’t toe the line anymore.

  • @NeerajMishra-y7y
    @NeerajMishra-y7y 4 місяці тому

    Nice nice nice