The Full Charles Murray: Race and IQ, Government Welfare, and Crime
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2024
- Many people hate Charles Murray.
They call him “dangerous” because he wrote about racial IQ differences.
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Angry protestors fail to recognize that Murray is not a white supremacist.
He’s a thoughtful researcher who has published more than a dozen scholarly books about things like the impact of welfare, the pursuit of happiness, and the meaning of libertarianism.
Some of his work influenced presidents.
One of his books influenced my way of thinking.
The video above is my full interview with Murray.
I think Jordan Peterson had the right idea. Just hold these lectures at 7AM and none of those protestors will show up.
Or advertise it as a job fair.
And that STILL sounds like a joke that might just be crazy enough to work.
😂
😂 so true!
@@ActuatedGearit did work
Why is social security always on the ropes but welfare never is?
Why do +80% of blacks always vote democrat is always the answer.
What an excellent question!
SS is a Ponzi scheme for boomers, and they continue to pull the levers of power in their own interest. Congress/Senate have a higher median age than a retirement home...
Because they steal the funds from social security but never pay it back.
Because short-term promises win elections, not long-term.
As a black kid I was shamed for being a "nerd" even though I was highly intelligent. I stopped putting in the effort trying to be cool and barely graduated with a 2.2 GPA. I was born to a 14 year old mother and my father was killed in the streets. I didn't go to college, but I still made something of myself. I used to buy into these tropes about racism until I learned to investigate for myself, and it made a HUGE difference.
My son is brilliant though. I'll be damned if I allow him to not live up to his potential because of victim thinking. Charles Murray presented facts, but these people are too emotional to hear or investigate for themselves. It comes from somewhere...
No, Charles Murray didn't present any fact at all, his book has been debunked over and over for 30 years and he just like to play the victim about "people calling him racist". There's a whole book published the year after the Bell Curve which is a collection of various scientific papers (peer-reviewed, unlike Murray's work), plus many others papers you can find online, you can also find a very well-made 2 hours+ youtube video summarizing the main criticisms.
You can teach your son the value of personal responsibility without pseudo-science.
You clam to be highly intelligent, but you act like white kids don’t bully each other.
And you seem to be denying that racism exists.
You sound more educated than that Reagan fan Murray...and Stossel
People all too easily concentrate on race, as if there is something inherently superior/inferior about this group or that group. Its a con. Poverty is what creates depravity, just as much in poor white areas as poor black areas. Making race the issue is a racist and deliberate smokescreen. If everyone is talking race, then nobody is looking at the real problem. The Right wing greed that causes and worsens poverty in the United States today.
@@lorenzobarducci8353 Are you saying that the IQ gaps aren't true? Because critics of Murray (like Professor Flynn and Robert Plomin) acknowledge that they are. Are you saying that genetics playing a role isn't true? Because Robert Plomin acknowledges that the answer is 'clear': genetics play a substantial role in performance on intelligence tests between different groups. Are you saying that intelligence isn't at all heritable? Because numerous studies indicate that it is. Those are Murray's central contentions, which his critics largely accept. They just come to different conclusions about why those gaps exist, although their conclusions don't seem to disprove the role of genetics. So I am curious as to how Murray's entire thesis can be debunked if many of his critics accept the above three points? Murray is not infallible, so I quote Robert Plomin's article for Scientific American, as he is very careful to acknowledge the role of environmental factors. Yet he still begins by saying the answer is 'clear' when it comes to the substantial influence of genetics in performance on intelligence tests across groups. Can you clarify further which part of Murray's thesis has been proven completely untrue?
I am a 53 year old Black man. As I get older and wiser I am thankful that I can listen to research and ideas I don't agree with without resorting to violence. I am going to make a real effort to listen to this with an open mind.
Do it even better and read The Bell Curve, which was absolutely not a racist book.
@@erynlasgalen1949 I did listen to the whole interview. I enjoyed it. I ordered his books from the library. I found nothing he said to be racist what so ever. He spoke facts.
@@KP-hi1om Then you already did it right, and I hope I didn't sound confrontational. I read The Bell Curve when it was first published, and I found myself amazed at the reaction to it. Recently, I lost friends for saying that the book was not racist. I could see people's minds shutting as we spoke. The idea of inherent differences offends our ideas of fairness. Twenty-some years ago people reacted by denying that such a thing as IQ even existed, which has set education back a little. It makes no difference, since we should all be judged for what we can do as individuals rather than what box our external appearance puts us into.
@@erynlasgalen1949 I think people are taking bits and pieces of the book and criticizing it. He is not speaking in absolutes and saying White ppl are smart and Black ppl are dumb. More importantly IQ doesn't equate to wealth or quality of life.
@@erynlasgalen1949those people were not your friends if they left you over a difference of opinion.
No topic should ever be off limits just because it offends certain sensitivities
Provided it is NOT just 1 sided. Because...we have young k8ds being groomed to be t*rorists, peds, etc...
There is an awful lot of propaganda and not an equal amount fair discussion.
Even truth gets sensored now
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And, well, those of us who are intelligent AND have a spine will continue to discuss them. Science isn't worth doing unless you're willing to take the bad with the good. And here, it's not even necessarily all that bad of a thing - so what if the average IQ of every single race doesn't JUST SO HAPPEN to be EXACTLY the same?? Why would anyone expect it to? The difference is most likely cultural than anything else, which should be GOOD news because it means you can overcome it!
It's such nonsense. It's not like this guy DECIDED he wanted black people to have lower IQs ON AVERAGE, you know? He simply OBSERVED it as a fact.
I've always found it funny how the people who get so offended by this are continually proving that they are the ones who SHOULD be offended by it, if you catch my drift (they're usually the low IQ types who don't even understand what an average is). I've always found that humorous. It's like if I were to yell out in the streets, "I hate stupid people!" And then, after my words entering the ears of one of those people, that person walks right up to me and says, "now you take that back, Mister, that's me you're talking about!" But you can't take it back because they've just validated your claim, themselves. Lol
Absolutely ‼️‼️‼️👍
1st Amendment 👍
He is absolutely right. I am black, with above average intelligence, from So Cal and let me tell you - my black peers gave me such a hard time growing up. Simply by doing my homework, getting good grades, and being in advanced classes, I constantly had a target on my back.
If they weren't stealing from me, destroying my books, or trying to force me to do their homework, they were beating my head in to destroy my mother's hair designs. The jealousy of low IQ is real.
Sorry to hear that happened to you. We can't control other people's reactions, so it's best to practice empathy (not return their scorn) and just be honest with ourselves and our abilities. As Murray said in the interview, that's part of what makes us tick -- to realize our potential
just the usual suspects
Government schools are literally the only place that many many people ever experience violence in their entire life
@@AetheriusComics1. 1 person's experiances are call an anicdote.
2. There is zero data that show college is a measure of IQ.
@@AetheriusComicsshow examples of same….no, most of the people you stereotyped are happy for others to excel……
Leave your bubble……you’ll be okay.
The guy is giving facts. How is that racist? I'm Hispanic of Cuban background. If reports came out that White Hispanics of Cuban background were not as smart as Asians...big deal. It's just a study, a fact. That propels me to achieve more, not play the victim.
Exactly. Group statements can be true but not nescesarilly about you
What Mr. Murray is saying about academia is 100% correct. They absolutely despise the working class.
Doesn't Mr.Murray hate the working class too? He is emotionally upset that such dumb people (according to him) don't recognize how dumb they are and demand better living conditions.
Not all of academia is like that. I know several Professors who grew up in lower class situations and who are proud of their upbringing.
@@dr.doolittle4763 True, but the majority do.
They're also quite left wing, meaning that at the end of the day they're actually not that smart, maybe smarter than a brick layer, or plumber, but not really that smart. libertarians are smart, not these academic midwits
The "working class" isn't that much better or more noble, to be fair
"Tolerance will reach such a level that intelligent people will be forbidden to think so as not to offend fools" said Dostoyevsky 100 years ago! What a genius!
Great quote!
@@houstoncat2471 he truly was Russia's Shakespeare.
My quote - Never tolerate tolerance.
Yes, a great writer. But its not really just the intelligent who are being forbidden to offend fools is it? Its all the racist morons as well. And, had they been a little less ignorant and kept their whiney mouths shut, we wouldn't be in this situation in the first place. Not that I'm for the intolerance. Just a fan of Karma, is all.
Unfortunately when fact checked, this is not something that can be accurately attributed to Dostoyevsky. Nonetheless it is a terrifyingly accurate statement.
People become violent when they have no argument.
When they have no argument they feel even worse
...and not punished for violence.
Feelings over facts. Mostly led by women and men who want to get laid.
And when the opposing sides men allow it
Which is absolutely insane. They’re too dumb to use words
There is not a single public intellectual who has been more unfairly maligned than Charles Murray.
My "red-pilled" moment was when I read the masterpiece Human Diversity by coincidence having no clue who Charles Murray was, then I heard someone like Ezra Klein talking about how racist Charles Murray was, then realizing the author of that masterpiece was the same man being accused of racism.
Naturally, I had to read the bell curve. As a data scientist, who loves reading about social science and economics, I was floored with the quality of evidence in that book.
David Irving?
@@CA-or9ixEzra (((Klein))) wouldn't like Matthew here reading David Irving's work
Ezra Klein made a fool of himself regarding this topic.
At least he didn't go to jail as did Hal Turner,sent there by a racist jury after being tried for the third time for WRITING AN EDITORIAL.
Great comment
My father wasn't really around. My mom tried. I spent a lot of time with my grandfather, whom I loved dearly but wasn't the best influence. No dads being around will slowly erode our civilization.
It's the mothers' bad s%xual choices and anger that leads to single motherhood.
Yes, this is what communism and islam brotherhood have spent the last 50 years doing, and have done to great effect. I dont know how this can be fixed un fortune.
Most child abuse occurs in single mother homes.
I'm a bastard child and thank God I was adopted by my mother and father. No telling where I would be.
They didn't want to listen to Mr. Murray because they did not want to hear the truth.
Basically what Mr. Murray is saying is that these college students that you hate so many are going to have a better life not because they have better studies or connections, but because their IQ is higher than yours.
@@ivanfacundo3528
The high IQ college students that took out enormous student loans they can't pay back.
@ivanfacundo3528 maybe if admissions were meritocratic that would be true. The court case against Harvard showed how minorities get in despite having drastically lower scores which I would assume have a strong correlation to iq.
@@annahgibbus8 I'd bet it's not the high IQ students burying themselves in debt.
@@kevykevTPA
Thank you that's exactly the point I was trying to make 😆
Some people aren't meant for college 🤷
I'm one of them I dropped out of HS & know better then to take out a loan I can't pay back & my IQ is 98 so I'm very worried about our country🤦
No one is more hated than a man who speaks the truth.
You're a zombie, no thinking, only looking to enforce your bias. Google "Race and Genetics" which debunks his ideas over race.
A WHITE MAN WHO SPEAKS THE TRUTH!
@@Mike_Hunt_69they don’t like BM who speak the truth either. I know from experience
@@Mike_Hunt_69is a troll. Mock it.
Why do white people throw dirt on people and call them unclean? Do they know that they took black people all over the world and made it illegal for them to read or attend higher education for hundreds of years? Disregard the racist IQ origins and eugenics...wouldn't this factor into this book?
Truth, in an age of universal deceit, is a revolutionary act.
Great interview. I taught public school for 30 yrs. I always said the more you do for the student the less they will do for themselves. They usually rose to the occasion and felt prouder doing so.
Charles Murray is an American treasure.
Global treasure.
Yes! Along with Jared Taylor
@@karlvonboldt absolutely
@@karlvonboldt Yes! Along with Nick Fuentes
And Thomas Sowell 👍
Most "MAGA" supporters I know want LESS Government, I sure want less government and no wars! Great guest!
"KEEP ON KEEPIN ON"
Have to agree don’t know who this guy is talking about other than Rinos who say they are MAGA but then talk about not changing anyrhinf
@@thefallen501st9I’m not a Trump supporter or MAGA but the whole idea of it is to focus on rebuilding American. Literally called Make America Great Again 🤦♂️
I even think our leaders in Canada are crap and Govt pisses away a ton of money.
US pissed away 8 Trillion on the war on terror in the Middle East and got nothing to show for it! 🤮
Meanwhile next year China is opening a new rail line between Shanghai & Beijing that will go 400 km/h not to mention the other 40,000 km of rail that goes 350 km/h 😳
And we vote these RINOs in. That says alot about us.
And less metal filled chemtrails.
What kept me from voting for Trump in 2016 was the fact that he was a democrat before being a republican. He openly admitted he used corrupt politicians to build his buildings. Becoming a republican for Trump was a natural change because the Overton window has been shifting. So, just like McCain and Romney, I didnt see him as a real republican.
What kept me from voting for him in 2020 was that I didnt think he'd lose, but I also saw his stance of dealing with Covid and putting out the suggestion of shutting the country down. His push to have the vaccine makers be immune for pushing a faulty product. His comment "take the guns and then go through due process". These were the reasons I didnt vote for him.
2024, I cant vote for anyone else, Id prefer Vivek, but there is no protest vote and there is no way I can do nothing and allow Joe to win my state again.
Yes, Trump did some "big government" things, or at least didnt fight to cut the budget when he had control of the senate and house in 2017-2019. Just pushed to "not increase the spending as much" as the democrats. But I guess thats where we need to start, we cant stop the snowball rolling down hill for 40 years and expect it to go back up in a matter of a month.
Every single student in that room should have been warned to either listen, leave, OR be subject to suspension. No college admin. should allow that to happen without consequences.
Yeah a lot of the issues these days stem from administrators being spineless capitulators. To be fair, I think it's also the threat of a lawsuit from students and the real possibility they will win since the judicial system (where I am, anyway) is absolutely STACKED with radical progressive types.
@@randomgeneration-gu8dw Then they're cowards enabling the collapse of free speech.
Thank you for having Charles Murray on your show. How sad that in America we can’t listen to others without getting violent.
We? No. Some of us get violent simply by hearing, a minority, and we know who they are.
Stossel is one of the very few true journalists around
Stossel is a mediocre Libertarian. If we can convert him to a Madisonian, then he'll be great.
@@Bob_Adkinsa madisonian?
@@davidnorwood5685 It's in the video. I guess Madison was the first to say that our constitution would only work with a moral and Godly people.
Remember him, like Thomas Sowell were both lunatic lefties at one time when they were younger. People can change.
Yep, and it’s so sad
Wonderful interview. I'm "black" and read "The Bell Curve" back in the early 90's and it spoke truth then and it speaks truth now. Kudos to Charles Murray for his courage.
IQ is a bell curve as all hierarchies of competence are.
capitalism is a pyramid /\ hierarchy which is an unnatural social construct.
capitalism IS NOT a hierarchy of competence and is therefore invalid and unjust.
I think Charles Murray is wrong because it is not possible to draw an equal representative sample of 100,000 whites from 200 million whites as 100,000 blacks from 30 million blacks. I think his claim is incredibly unscientific.
@@JohnnyCanuke
What about the SATs, ACTs, GRE, etc. for the last 60 years? Large enough sample for you?
I think you have never read the Bell Curve, based on your comments about it being "unscientific". You should try to read it. The authors even include a short "lay person" explanation of the data for those that have problems with the science in the larger chapter. @@JohnnyCanuke
“The White liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the Black man." Malcolm X
I've read Murray for years now, and he clearly states his work in the Bell Curve is not meant to endorse racism. He simply points out the differences in IQ and then clarifies the need for more research to understand why those differences are occurring. Never in any way, shape, or form has he endorsed racism.
And Professor Flynn, who disagrees with Professor Murray's thesis, defended both him and Professor Jensen from accusations of racism.
We know why, there have been quite a few studies on it.
@@user-qj6vg8gp3l Why?
Yeah, but it’s inevitable that it won’t be used by racists. People aren’t nuanced enough to understand the difference.
@@Dominique_Taylor 100% the amount of people I see use that stuff to excuse racism is quite sad. They're so blinded by their perceived superiority as whites that they fall into the lowest IQ mode of thinking: phenotypic tribalism. Caveman levels of thinking. "His skin is different from mine! Raaaah"
I'm a Jeffersonian. And a Libertarian. Great video! Thank you so much for posting!
Thus proving Murray's point.
It's interviews like this you would never see on mainstream TV. Thank you John
The question I have, why does anyone watch mainstream anything anymore is beyond me.
IQ is a bell curve as all hierarchies of competence are.
capitalism is a pyramid /\ hierarchy which is an unnatural social construct.
capitalism IS NOT a hierarchy of competence and is therefore invalid and unjust.
@@renaissancestatesmanignorance, willful ignorance, laziness, habit, family and cultural tradition
Did anyone else find the charts frustrating and that it did not let you know if the trillion spent are adjusted for inflation and population change over the 60 years representative in the chart?
Why would anyone with half a 🧠 watch mainstream TV? 🤔
I studied the peer-reviewed research on race, IQ, and quality-of-life outcomes EXTENSIVELY in college. Here is a summary of what I learnt:
Black Americans who attend church regularly have similar quality-of-life outcomes to that of the general population.
Black Americans who live in predominately non-black areas - also have similar quality-of-life outcomes as that of the general population.
A greater predictor for futures success than YOUR education level, is the education level of YOUR PARENTS - because their behavior, attitudes, and problem-solving abilities will be the ones that you consciously and unconsciously emulate all through your life.
I've been a Welfare worker and I've been a Welfare case, and what I've seen is that most of the money allocated to Welfare *never goes into the pockets of the poor*. It goes into Welfare's own bureaucracy, as a sinecure for the lower middle-class. It would be cheaper and more efficient to replace Welfare completely with a revised (less than 10% of the bureaucracy) WPA/CCC/Workfare system -- coupled with free, effective birth-control and free vocational training with job placement.
@lesliefish4753.... And fathers in the home.
We often like to skip over that but....
Plus, one of the best things that my black mother told me was, "No one owes you ANYTHING!"
Some of us knew to embrace that truth and stop waiting for anyone else (refuse the government) to save us because...
"No one owes you ANYTHING!"
Also true. A lot of these programs seem to just be feeding themselves.
I am Puerto Rican and a single mom. My daughter was in public school from Pre-K to 5th grade. We live in NYC and her 5th grade teacher (in 2017) who was a white liberal actually told the class that middle America was lower in intelligence because they voted for Trump.
My daughter told me this because she knew I liked Trump. After that moment I saw the writing on the wall. I took my daughter out of public school and said even if it strains my budget, I am putting her in the local Catholic school, which while not perfect, has a certain restraint when it comes to denigrating people.
I think homeschooling would have been ideal but not possible for us.
Race is irrelevant when it comes to good and evil. The soul has no color. Evil transcends zip code, skin color and HH income.
You are wise beyond what your situation might indicate. Keep fighting the good fight. The world benefits from the sacrifices you are making. And FJB.
Well, your grammar is perfect so you managed to be pretty well educated. Your kid will do just fine.
I would seriously help contribute to a fund for your daughter's education. Please let me know. She will surely go far with such a smart mother!! Also, the Catholic schools should give her a strong moral core.
I grew up going to Catholic school in Boston. It was a pretty good experience.
@@carolyna.869 That is very sweet of you. Thankfully, she graduates high school in 3 months. She is almost there! 🙌
Nobody has a problem saying one group is athletically superior.
Which group is that?
@@NanakiRowanBlack people.
@@lauraleiburnette2691 How is that possible when out of 800 sports, they only dominate in 4?
@@lauraleiburnette2691 There are honestly lots of great people in trailers, you're not one of them.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING you wish I lived in trailer. Try being a decent CAUCASIAN or come forth so we can see the real you.
Everyone in America should listen to this interview! It is a pleasure to listen to the conversation of these two great Americans.
I love your long form interviews. My 50 years of professional life has been dedicated to the application of decision science -- mostly to big highly uncertain decisions. However, the basic principles of "decision Quality" can be taught to everyone. And, 20 years ago we started the Decision Education Foundation to bring Decision Skills to Youth. As a long-time libertarian, I recognize that the other side of the coin of free choice is the skill to choose well. As we teach youth -- they often shift from the victim mentality (adults are making all the decisions for me) to a mindset of sober empowerment (I have a lot of decisions to make and they will define my life). I believe that this topic with a couple of thought leaders in our field may be a great one for you. Best, Carl Spetzler
I grew up in the projects/ghetto in New Orleans. One of 5 non black kids in my elementary school. I had the highest grades in the school and i kept hearing that im a sellout/racist stuff. By the time i graduated, i had at least 25 fights because of my grades or not being black. By God's grace, i went to college and medical school.
It's very sad that others who claim to be oppressed are actually their own oppressors who only want to bring others down because they are incompetent. I'm glad to know you escaped the bucket of crabs... It's these same types of people who are destroying our country.
That was some seriously tough schooling you had. I am glad you made it out of that ignoramus producing hellhole you attended.
Some of the most popular kids in my years in predominantly black public schools were troublemakers, class clowns, thugs, and the most attractive. The students who were picked on and bullied the most were the ones who were the least attractive, shy, and spoke "proper" English. The black community needs to put more emphasis on academic achievement and good values and less on black culture and identity.
Do you think black kids should be birthed
Meanwhile in Canada, where the immigration system naturally filters out low IQ's, the african-canadians here are some of the smartest folks out there.
The truth is, Africa is incredibly genetically diverse. You get extremely smart people, along with extremely dumb people.
In distributions, this would be considered to have "fat tails"
I read the Bell curve in high school as an African student, and never once did I think Charles Murray had any racial intent to the point I even bought my own copy of most of his books. Extreme outrage comes from dishonesty. Welcome back Mr Murray.
There are no black, white, asian, or any other race, biologically speaking. That's what the genetics say, and there are many studies that can be read as to why that is. That alone contradicts the bell curve. But it;s worse than that. Many can spot a liar miles away. But a liar thinks they're clever, but they're not. Specially when they're in the field of science, with others always watching, reviewing, and calling them out point blank.
IQ scores is affected mostly by environment and culture, it got very little to do with race.
Then Tomas Sowel is wrong in his assessment
@@dekoli9957 what is sowell's outcome of his assessment?
@@ZockrunHe has assessed a lot but one topic is that you will not find equality of opportunity, much less equality of outcome… when comparing siblings (First born, middle and last born children) that do grow up with the same parents in the same household. Therefore, you should not expect to see that in society given the immense number of variables involved. Not sure if he touched in IQ in this scenario but I still think it is interesting.
All I can say is that man has to be the smartest person I have ever had the privilege of listening to. Amazing interview…
Murray papers on how to solve poverty, racism and family affairs and the problem created by government are brilliant; and the Establishment hate because he is right!
My daughter in law is from South America. She says that only gangsters, criminals and really poor and uneducated people cross into US illegally. She says it is common knowledge. The worst of their people come illegally.
But that's just in keeping with historic norms and trends. Between 1600 and 1850, England and Europe sent their worst and most fringe to their North American colonies.
Don't forget that *Redneck Culture* comes from the West Country in England.
Look up the works of Dr. Thomas Sowel.
Correct. If you are hard working and have a skill, you can have a very comfortable life in Mexico or elsewhere in South America. The ones who cross illegally have no skills and no work ethic. They’re looking for handouts or easy money (namely crime).
Oh, then the illegal so called immigrants are street wise. Go figure..
Yes. The non criminals just get a visa, fly in, and just don't go back. Its also a lot of people/k1ds coming over who are being trafficked into slavery and pr0st1tution
Watch the ‘Bald & Bankrupt’ video where he crosses the Derian Gap on his way from Columbia to the US-Mexico border, with all the ‘caminantes’, as the locals in the countries they pass through, call them. Most are just poor people stuck in badly run countries and some will turn to crime, for sure, but most will just be regular immigrants trying to better themselves.
It absolutely should not be happening, however, and has highlighted just how corrupt the federal government of the US is. Much like pretty much every Western government tbh.
they went from broken windows; to ignore burning buildings
When the left objects, we get years of riots, looting, arson, shootings, murders in over 570 cities.
When the right objects, we get truckers refusing to re-supply sworn enemies of the USA like NYC.
Tipping point
I actually had a college class on this very syndrome, which is that if a neighborhood ignores broken windows, it leads to a spiralling-downward breakdown of the neighborhood. People start to lose pride in their surroundings, lose responsibility.
Thank you Mr. Stossel and Murray for your work. I disagree with Mr. Murray's assessment of MAGA. We do not want more government, we truly want to limit it's power to what is granted it in our Constitution.
It’s almost a given that Stossel consumers think on a deeper level. Rest assured that we value the longer videos. 👍😃
He should have scheduled his talk before 9 am and none of them would have bothered to get out of bed for a protest.
It is quite interesting that the youth being trained to be "thinkers" and "leaders" at universities cannot handle actual ideas outside of their current mindset. College admissions ought to screen for that! lol
@roflorida1 These are EXACTLY the kind of young people most colleges want. They are much easier to brainwash.
I think that's what Canada's Jordan Peterson did.
@@roflorida1$ over intelligence
😂exactly. Very cold outside as well, even better
I took a class at Stanford about intelligence and Murray’s book was the first thing covered and the professor was black. He dispelled the misconceptions about Murray after all of the students were first given a chance to speak ignorantly and negatively about Murray. No one expected him to take that approach and it left a lasting impression.
Do you remember the professor’s name?
Wow that is terrific....
This is a lie.
@@timcareymusicno it’s not
😊😊
God bless this man , we need the truth wherever it leads....
It's interesting how many of these liberals will mock the religious as being afraid of scientific evidence, yet aggressively seek to shut down evidence that doesn't support their mission for forced equality of outcome.
I’m with you guys. Been a Libertarian since 18 (1987). Wish it made more of a difference. But I’m not giving up.
Calling these people "activists" is laughable. They are children who know nothing other than what's been pumped into their heads and ginned-up on emotional hysteria.
that is usually what every activist is. you use the word activist like its a good thing. it isnt. anyone that is a long term activist is lying to you about what they advocate for/against, they usually end up being a contributing factor in said issues long term existence, so they can live off of it or gain status because of there work in the issue.
Yeah, that's just what activists are. You're not sufficiently redpilled yet.
By Marxist Professors.
@@brenttesterman3171Yep. Communism is the source.
Young people want power (resources and/or sex).
It‘s never about morality, they‘re just looking for a moral justification for their behavior.
Right after the BLM chaos, my brother indignantly raised the issue of this book in a conversation we were having. He didn’t even know the name of the author, I had to tell him it’s Charles Murray. But he “knew” how racist the guy is…blah, blah, blah. I asked him a simple question: Have you read the book?…No, he hadn’t. Then I recalled a visit to his house where he had the SPLC newsletter prominently displayed on his coffee table. My brother is an indoctrinated 🤡
He is a Communist
No he's an Antiwhite. No doubt.
I am a short but smart White man. My only options were to date and marry Asian women. Shorter women with similar IQ.
@@alphashaitan65 haha
Have you actually read it? It’s the same old racism that has been pushed for generations. It has lots of number to baffle you but it’s garbage. Read “the mismeasure of man”.
This guy is over 80 years old proving that age shouldn't be a factor in electing a President. Displaying the wisdom that comes with old age (aside from medical dementia) might be a factor that is very important when picking a leader. Charles Murray is someone worth listening to.
One good thing: My life is almost over at 85 years old. I have five children. We are LDS and took our kids to Church every week. They basically turned out to be happy successful well rounded children. They have lots of problems but strong marrianges. They have happy normal kids. They all went to school and have great jobes. They are so needed in their fields!
Welfare, food stamps, and child support allowed my folks to divorce.
They should have done the Polish thing. Kept the home and have lovers on the side.
That can suck. Sorry you had to deal with that, it's not fair to children.
That's unfortunate.
Cheapsushi how about they work on the marriage instead of just giving up. Marriage isn’t necessarily easy and requires effort from both.
You're watching Stossel, so you turned out alright.
This happened to me without welfare, food stamps, or child support and I turned out alright.
Dudes right and it’s painfully apparent all over the world.
Hahhaha yeah, we merely need to look around the world 🌎 at the different societies people build
It’s apparent here in the western world. Where white society is being replaced by brown 3rd worlders.
@@mariocooldude9092 Don't be racist.African Mud&dump mixture huts are just as nice as Italian and Spanish architecture!
@@feudinggreeks3316quite a leap on your behalf…
Great to find that John Stossel has a channel!
Access to better schooling all throughout life + being in a community of people who've had access to better education all of their life + the ability to focus on studies and not the basic needs of life = greater chance of intellectual ease [when it comes to conventional education].
It makes me sad that this is what America has become. All of us deserve free Speech without the fear of violence!
Was always messed up it's now surfacing because the time have changed people are on the internet getting exposed to their evil satanic system that is in place
That only works in a homogenous society with a uniting culture. Not much of that in America
@@user-hz7ti2dz3kAmericans used to have a national identity. The left wingers have stoked the divisions. They've convinced the lowest common denominators of society that whites have negatively impacted their lives. In reality, the government is their only real obstacle.
It's easier to blame others rather than have accountability for your own decisions. Billy Bob living in a trailer park in Arkansas has zero impact on the life of his black neighbor nowadays. It's a antiwhiteism fairytale.
We need white racial consciousness
I love your sentence, "" Free speech without fear of violence, " is needed in our society!
Disgusting tactics. Southern poverty law center should be sued.
All run by small hats. Btw Co-founder Morris Seligman family owned cotton slaves.
When will Stossel have Kevin MacDonald on his show?
@@aesop1451why you asking us ?
Please look up the lawsuit which Maajid Nawaz brought against the SPLC and take heart...it is possible to fight back.
Revelation 2:9 Tribe of hypocrisy just like the ADL
These kids would have been right at home in Mao's Red Guard or Fascist Germany's black shirts. So deeply and passionately proud of their ignorance.
The truth shall set us free. Our humanity will be the fall of humanity if we don't have these conversations. I know what they mean by "ignorance is bliss". Once you know, you can't unknow it.😢
Telling the truth is now a revolutionary act
I would love to be in a room with Charles Murray and Thomas Sowell.
Well, no one or nothing is stopping you. You may find that your idols at a distance are disappointing close up. Good luck.
Why? Thomas would just blame all the misfortunes of his people on poor Scots-Irish.
That would be a treat!
Wow! That would be Amazing.
@@Lone-wolf-1982No, that's not his style.
I totally agree with Murray’s statement…the biggest believers of their superiority are academia….but are they superior if they have not lived a full life outside the university’s door. Universities should hire professors who have spent time working in the real world!
Instead on educators looking at this IQ difference and build an educational system to account for this difference. They try to teach everyone the same way and get terrible results.
BEST interview I've seen in quite some time. In my mind, Charles Murray now stands with Thomas Sowell in terms of pulling back the curtain to expose reality.
Wish more listened to Thomas Sowell!
How great would it be to listen to a long-form conversation between Charles and Thomas :-)
100%, the dynamic duo LOL
He’s extremely smart, extremely honest, and extremely correct. He was right 20 years ago when his book came out, and he’s right now. Hopefully people finally wake up
Thomas Sowell doesn't believe in reality either. He thinks that the intelligence gap is due entirely to environment, whilst in reality, it's mostly genetic.
I’m so glad that Charles Murray is strong enough to stand up against the mob
This has to be the most thoughtful and insightful interview I've seen all year. The last part discussing the achievements of Western Civilization really hit hard. This needs to be shown to everyone.
So many people hate the truth! 😢
Charles Murray is 100 percent spot on. Some people can't handle the truth despite what the facts point out.
The creator of the IQ test Alfred Binet clearly states the IQ test was not to measure overall intelligence it was a placement test. He was from France. Americans still to this day for some reason believe IQ tests are to measure overall intelligence.
The Truth can Trigger
You think that because you can't read and process things proper, due to bias. You are a follower of what others say, as long as they confirm your predisposition to a certain world view. And I know that because anyone that says '100% spot on' over this, is a tool shed. Yes, you.
@@JulieDillonj2d2only if your life is built upon lies
Race science isnt “the truth”. Its a racist lie stemming back to colonialism.
He’s wrong about the America First movement. We want agencies dismantled, bureaucracy reduced, red tape cut, term limits and reduced taxes with local government playing a larger role than federal government. We also want the criminals of the last decade who have been so nefarious in our federal government to face justice.
Have to agree with you. The government is too big, which means that they have too much power over our lives.
America first is inevitable
@@SantanaBinksIt's unstoppable.
Yeah, AF/MAGA has stabilised into a handful of very coherent, actionable aims recently, whereas in 2016 it was a lot of energy with not a lot of focus. I'd like to see what he'd say if he spent some time speaking with our thinkers now.
You clearly don’t want those things because you’re feverishly supporting a presidential candidate that is flat out telling you he has no intention of ending the federal reserve, ending our Marxist welfare state, re-abolishing our Marxist progressive income tax or closing a single federal department or agency because “they have some really good people there”.
The government didn’t shrink in TRump’s first term. It grew considerably with a new wing to the military plus a lot other additions, and he piled up more debt in a single term than any president in history. Biden isn’t even going to match it. Yet you still claim to want reduced government? 🤦♂️
And term limits are just another example of trying to fix government with more arbitrary government rules. It’ll exacerbate the problem you’re trying to solve. You GOPers should let the libertarians lead the right for a while. Your way clearly hasn’t worked.
I remember when the book first came out. What was interesting is that none of the critics addressed his data, just resorted to calling him names. David Suzuki was one of them.
Or they tried confounding his data by pointing to other variables that weren't genetic in order to try and conclude that genetics had no impact. But you don't need to be a scientist to see that that reasoning doesn't follow.
Charles Murray presenting himself as a recent convert from libertarian to Madisonian is heartening. Libertarians are good people, yet most of us are not virtuous. We are all too human.
Courage was required for this conversation John....much appreciated.
What courage dud it take for this soft ball interview?
But all these people who push differences are playing mental gymnastics.
OK. So, what is it that makes these three examples, their culturally background, redundant despite their actual history?
Can I suggest that you give me your own thoughts and opinions instead of relying on the analysis done by others?
Critical analysis is a great and fantastic skill to have. I was taught the concept of critical analysis around Year 7.
How can this brilliant man be called dangerous or cancelled? Wow. Very interesting talk.
Because of bias and bigotry, the book is false. In it, it assumes the cultural definitions of races, the book explains this, but then proceeds to use biological assumptions over races, all the while ignoring what genetics has to say on the matter. Ignoring then, and even today. The reason why this is problematic should be obvious to any with ability. But further, the issue is that some readers walk away from the book thinking it said something it does not. It is a statistical, genetic, and political hack job of a book. And if curious, anyone could confirm what I've just written, but curiosity is always missing when people's preferences are at risk, funny how that works.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING Your last statement was a bit funny 😄... we'll often attempt pseudo-tactics when we think are opponents won't notice won't we lol. Such studies are never totally accurate but they direct us toward the truth if also some misdirection but are a useful aid in conceptualizing what we experience. I share your disinclination toward spreading this material, however, the implications are clear and while truth, however unfortunate, remains true a wise person doesn't spread inflammatory information without true gain, and I hardly think the consequent hostility and violence is a gain. Most of the comments on this page have been tempered but some have been outright hostile exacerbated by this material(and not only on one side). This should not find expressions in schools, with the exception of classes regarding it as a having a constituent topic. As with all knowledge perhaps it should only be shown to those prepared for it, and in this case those of higher intelligence(regardless of race) should not be too adversely affected,
That’s a very Orwellian attitude to knowledge.
What I think is funny is that you two guys seem to be in a race to the top of the bell curve against each other. @@supertuscans9512
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING Race is just a social construct, right?? Lol
I read "The Bell Curve" years ago and it revealed some harsh truths but the research was sound. It has never bothered me.
SpLC needs to be sued into bankruptcy.
Why?
@@Lili_Chen2005 because they are a racist, hate group.
@@jerrys5102 Racist against who?
in 2024, the only heroes are those who speak the truth without fear. We applaud you Mr. Murray
He speaks no truth, and he's full of fear, fear of something that happened a long time ago, and continues to.
@@ESCAGEDOWOODWORKING You're on the wrong video. Just saying.
So far this is the best interview of 2024
Certainly is!
Exactly what I said when I shared it.
Agreed! 🙏
Katt Williams was on Rogan
Fuck an interview. Are you ready to deal with the USD dump? Are you ready to live like a 4th world country? A never before seen pain will come to this place soon
Excellent. An hour of common sense is quite a treat.
The differences are there. Now, what should be done? What I know for sure is if you listen to music that glorifies crime and violence, puts the blame of everything on others, grow up thinking you're entitled to historical recompensations, that won't make you more intelligent, happier or wealthier. There are lots of cultures that incentivize alcoholism, the spend your money today and worry tomorrow mentality, blame others for your problems, etc... USA, UK, France, Italy, etc... you have people that act that way and somehow expect improvements in their lives even though those behaviors are proven to be fail, always. Everyone knows what works: strong traditional families, people having jobs, finishing your studies, being held accountable for your wrongs, etc..
Great interview. On the growing anger of the white working class, I must admit I completely get it. I’m from the UK and feel like the system treats me as a second class citizen in my own country. It’s not just the loss of opportunity, but the continual mocking, misrepresentation, and denigration of a good and honest way of life
As someone not white and in the U.K., you’re not imagining things. The casual anti-white racism of the chattering classes and their relentless anti-Britishness is downright nasty, if not evil
I completely agree, and I am black British. One of the most outrageous examples was when the RAF tried discouraging white men from applying for top roles, even though most of their recruits are obviously white men.
Professional white victim.
Many middle class people in America feel the same way.
@@anneflynn9614 And many feel differently.
I was born and grew up in Manchester, UK. ALL the conditions created by the paid and subsequent benefits system has created a whole new class in my opinion. The benefits class. Many are 3rd generation who have never worked, yet have cars, their big tv's and expensive subscriptions and huge US styles fridges and a couple of holidays a year. Yet, still they play every 'card' in the book when confronted on it, be it race, class, gender, so-called disability, etc. 5 years ago we decided to save all we can from working and move away from this lazy open-air, angry, prison. The fact a lazy woman can have 3 kids, usually to different fathers, get a free, three bedroom house and well over £1000 per month benefits is truly disgusting. And will be one of the many causes for the downfall of this once great country.
Please stop the UK literally has a show called Skint. It's nothing but your people doing everything you're projecting and they blame everyone but themselves. You should worry about your own people making poor decisions before you point at other groups especially people outside your country.
I'm from Donny and it's the same. I left the UK.
@@mrsith1402 I hope you're somewhere more grateful now. We're moving to Cornwall later this year.
Eugenics in reverse: hard working people can only afford 1/2 kids, but the lazy don't have that limitation
@@davidpereira9238 It has to be a plan to control the population, surely?
These people prove him right because none of them even read the book.
If there is anyone you (Stossel) should have back on is this Mr Murray. A true intellectual.
One of the nicest intelligent empathetic man I ever met.
Old school scientific researcher. He's an academic, not a CronySocialist, progressive, liberal, exclusive, woke, democrap quackademic.
Fairly good book the point missed so what. A person with a high is has. Moral resposibility to not abuse others with it. Someday will explain your use of your gifts to God
@@jasonhallock3773Good. Maybe god can explain the jumble of words in your comment. Please proof read before you post so people have a prayer of knowing what you are trying to say.
"Quackademic"... I like this portmanteau a lot!
Seen this more than 12 times 👀
He's a national treasure 😮
Please bring him back, several times.
❤ From Denmark 🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰🇩🇰
It's not a forbidden topic. It's just a topic that you should discuss in the presence of the people whom you may be spreading negative opinions about. You know, like a brave man....
Learned Helplessness is Achilles heel of the welfare system.
Welfare was never supposed to help. These people are far smarter than us... they knew exactly what would happen when they offered welfare and weaponized divorce court.
You can't have a Government where non working people can vote themselves money.
@@gieb6428- Exactly. There is a reason we don't allow felons to vote. Same reasoning. Can't have criminals voting for policies that would help them.
Voting for free stuff is why democracy eventually fails. If USA wasn't a republic with a set rules that can’t be over turned by peoples feelings it probably be much worse now there. California is suffering from district attorneys who let criminals go free based on feelings. They found a loop hole. lol
What women on welfare need is affordable child care in order to join the workforce. They literally can’t afford to get a job.
Speak for yourself. There are plenty of us outside of academia and politics that are Mensa members. Thanks for letting us know where your IQ lies. We appreciate it very much.
They will call you every slur but they will never call you a lair
They won't call him a den either.
@@charlesmontgomery9208lmao!
I’m calling Charles and liar and he never tells you certain facts like him and his friend as teenagers BURNED A CROSS on the lawn of one of the only two B families in his town! Yea Charles is not bias at all! 😂
I’m calling him one! Charles won’t tell you that as a teenager him and his friend lit a cross on fire in the front yard of one of the only two B families in his town! Yea he is not bias at all!
@@sardonumspa8113 Have you ever thought he was just being a stupid kid? We all make mistakes is my point.
This is one of the best interviews I've heard you do. I love in-depth interviews.
treat people as individuals - well said
Great interview. I agree with what he said. I live in the UK 🇬🇧 and the effects of welfare can be seen here. People have become more entitled and very materialistic in what’s in it for me. A lot of people just don’t want to work
IQ goes up with vocabulary. Johnson O'Connor's research shows that. I struggled for 40 years to get students to read classics. It is the fastest most successful way to build vocabulary, and as a bonus provides models of correct grammar and good sentence structure without mind numbing drills and busy work. If you want to raise your IQ, read !!!
I agree, I have always been a big reader. Even as a teen I could see those who do not read, will be left behind.
IQ is, for the most part, unchangeable. Someone with a 90 IQ will never have a 110 IQ no matter how much reading they do.
It’s not the color of the skin that matters, but the values of the culture you choose to identify with.
Charles Murray is a hero as you are John for trying to get the truth out against all odds.
There are many, many people who are on welfare & all kinds of government assistance that don’t want to ever work. These people are on generational welfare. They feel entitled to it.
And paying welfare queens to breed is another brilliant idea from our elite politicians.
The Myth of American Inequality is an eye opening book. I don't think most people understand the amount of government assistance that is handed out.
Honestly, it helps with weeding out my competition. It is easy to get welfare and hard to grind. I welcome the welfare because they really limit themselves with being broke all the time. It never pays to get a handout. Your options are limitless if you choose to earn and learn. When you open your own business(s) you are able to earn far more than welfare check, government assistance, etc. You have no ceiling on your earning potential. This is where the recipients of these welfare checks fail. Maybe it pays for your crappy house and crappy life...but you don't go anywhere. You stay in the ghetto life.
It's not even entitlement. After a few generations they simply don't know anything else.
I just finished watching this video and I enjoyed it. Charles Murray's book on The Bell Curve and how his research has influenced people in office. I like how this answered the accusation of him having a prejudiced view of ethnic groups regarding IQ too.
Another thing is I also find full interview videos to be a lot more introspective to watch than the shorter version. It gives me a deep look into your guest's work and the topic compared to the shorter versions. But John, you or your team do a good job with editing for both types of videos so it doesn't really matter to me.
I believe that shorter videos of other subject matters and how they are presented are well done. I didn't know what Madisonian was until I watched this video. But those are some reasons why this channel is the best, so keep up the great work.
20/20 is garbage. This is golden. Thank you John!
I am a conservative because I want the truth. Truth does not always make me feel happy, but it does lead me to knowledge.
It makes "reality" more addressable.
Exactly the same for me.
Hopefully you're not religious
@@gachamansama3703 We all have beliefs. We can accept our beliefs are precisely just those: beliefs. But that doesn't mean we cannot also like objective truth.
RONALD REAGAN SAID THAT IF YOU DON'T TEACH YOUR CHILDREN TO WORK, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HAVE TAUGHT THEM TO STEAL
Politicians have the art of stealing down pat
Did you live during Reagonomics? Even working people needed to steal to survive during that time.
He and Reagan are/were absolutely right. America was once a great country but that can no longer be said. We have some of the highest addiction rates in the world. Obesity is a real pandemic. The number of people on welfare is at an all-time high. We have allowed our "leaders" to give the people the fish instead of teaching them how to fish. The level of laziness in our country is just depressing. There is a bum on every corner. People go shopping in their pajamas. People don't take care of their property. Lazy breads lazy which leads to low self-esteem which leads to more addiction which reinforces the horrible loop we are stuck in. I too see no recovery from this. I figure I have 25 to 30 years left on this planet. I just hope I still have some freedoms before I die. My daughter, on the other hand, well she's pretty much screwed.
Reagan was a crook
All depends on who do the stealing
The Truth hurts,it always does.This guy is a bare knucled truth teller and losers cant take it.Hes great and so is Stossel.
So how do the Nigerians from the Ibo tribe in the UK have the highest test scores academically?
Because they are an elite slice of Nigerians. They are not representative of the Nigerian population as a whole. It does not make sense to compare the top 1% of one population to the average of another population.
The one thing he's wrong about, is saying that MAGA people want big government.
@@JustforKicks666no. They just want to enforce the laws we already have. Protect the border, put violent criminals in prison instead of letting them out 20 times. Etc.
The MAGA movement is broad and diverse. There are pro big government, and there are limited government advocates as well contained within the diverse movement.
@@cheddar2648You're talking about infiltrators. Real MAGA people are the former tea party people - limited government, restrained immigration, border control, lower taxes, lower regulation. That's what Donald Trump's MAGA is.
@@JustforKicks666Just the opposite. It's the left who want to arrrest you for saying something they don't like, who want to take away your right to self defense, who want to regulate our way of life out of existence, who uses unlimited illegal immigration as a reason to take away the rights of law abiding citizens and treat us like cattle.
You are aware of the positioning of national guard in NY subways?
What say you about democrat policies?