TrackMania World Tour is BACK - Map Discovery and Reaction 🔎
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2024
- Yesterday Nadeo dropped a bomb that nobody knew about: The TrackMania World Tour is back with a 2024 season and an entirely different format.
This video shows my first reaction to the news, the format and the first map pack consisting of 5 tracks!
Let me know down in the comments what you think about all of it!
Timestamps:
0:00 Reaction
6:04 Rulebook Analysis
31:52 Map Discovery
1:18:06 Other Reactions
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Q: What do you think about the new TMWT? 😄
Wood is good😂
Keen to see you compete mate
I hope it survives but honestly the odd's not favorable
As someone who enjoys watching the tournaments, no identities and no duo is a big L. Gonna be way less interesting to watch at least.
I'm sorry but I don't see myself invested in this new world tour. Last year was the most I ever watched and tbh I could care less of being inclusive to all players. I just want to watch the best players. It's like a gut punch to the viewers
I literally just saw this post on ig and did like 10 consecutive double takes. Im excited but like wtf why after all orgs let everyone go???
Nando tactics.
I really enjoyed the 2v2, sad to see it go. I also agree that Identities were a big part of what made maps exciting to watch. I like seeing players compete on things I can't even play.
Its sad that they change again the format, i loved the 2v2 one.
Also now it seems you have now many tournaments without any price money to only have the chance to get to the wc, where 4 players take all the money. That means for most of the players grinding a half year for literally nothing.
Hope this is only for this year and next year we get back a better esports system.
hope for the qualifier tournaments. there could be something nice coming up from that side. and as far as i know nando didnt regulate pricepools for the qualifier tournaments, so it could even be worth the time. the 18k are only for the world cup.
why they dropped the teamsystem makes absolutely no sense. first they force orgs to let players go, and others to get a second player with introducing 2v2 and then they kill it 1 yr later, probably without any thought about consequences for players and orgs.
Yeah I liked the 2v2 format.
I hated the 2v2 format. 1v1 for life! Do you care who the tennis doubles world champions are?
@@jeremykothe2847 theres no tactical difference between single or double in tennis. Btw. A lot of people know the f1 team championship winner ;)
@@toobyy4554 what the hell are you talking about? The top doubles partners are rarely in the top ten in singles. And yes, f1 is a team sport, it's incredibly expensive to compete, so you can't do it alone. Trackmania on the other hand... or Tennis...
It's insane to me how Nadeo changes the system every(!) year, from team to solo, from canceling to existing, from "just for fun, don't take it serious" to serious, while wanting to grow the scene, it's actually impossible to have that work out
but I do enjoy the 1v1v1v1... format more than team based stuff, it's cooler to have everyone on the server without having to watch 10 games at the same time and each one taking hours
I will say it always: I liked the creative 6 lappers the most. Golden time of Trackmania ESports. Not with the strange rules, that was a downer, but for watching it was the best there is. And these maps! They are still stuck in my brain: The turn around on vertical ice surfaces, the skiing past poles down at the end of each round, the funnels that you drive along, the map with the backwards part. Even after the 6-lappers were over, the following maps still at least had very creative features and identities in it. That's trackmania for me. Go crazy. Such a good time!
And now, well, I am bored by Trackmania ESports again to be honest. Before 2020 I was also never interested to watch TM ESports cups, but that changed when they started to get so incredibly exciting, that these moments remain forever in my memories. And now that short-lived time is now gone, it seems.
agreed
For the NADEO DEVS: 28:45 - 30:38 is the summary of Granady's thoughts about the competition format.
I feel like these maps are more of a showcase of the guidelines like an actual map pack meant for a competition. Like, how easy (map 1) or how hard (no.5) a map can be, how focused on one style it can be (2,4). I think map 3 is like the most normal stage you could make.
So GA is a homologated tournament? So surely the GA organizers must've known about the TMWT plans? They needed to ensure that the maps were matching all the criteria, cup mode, no forbidden sponsors, etc...? Really surprised none of it leaked before the announcement.
You can't change the format for the what ? 5th year in a row ? and expect me to be excited in terms of watching it.
It took me a while to get used to 2v2 (because I really enjoyed the prior format) and in the end, 90% of matches I watched, were BIG related.
2v2 was so incredibly cool... I got into it at the very end when Wirtual posted his video casting and I was so excited for a new season only to find out all of the cool and unique aspects are gone and my interest in watching has tanked. If they wanted it to be more approachable then fine, you have a short qualifying period and then all the new people who place well can get put in contact to form teams or something... I'm just watching the first map so far but identities being gone sucks too
just watch Nadeo maximizing profits: Pay less for tournament organisation and let organizations pay for a tournament to get homoganized.
i had such high hopes for trackmania, duos and more influence from orgas felt nice. Also, the identity‘s went crazy at the WC. It was so enjoyable.
Learned who you are through Wirtuals videos, and now I'm a huge fan.
Love your videos and you're a maniac driver 😊
It's sad to see 2v2 go. I really enjoyed it. But at the same time, I think a solo competition is more appealing because you don't have to rely on anyone else. If there's anyone to blame, it's you. And I think it makes it a lot easier to start competing. You don't have to find a good teammate. But I really hope this doesn't mean that BIG has to choose between you and Massa.
What I really enjoyed was having a fixed date on the weekends when I could watch Trackmania eSport with the boys. I know this system was very bad for the players. Grinding maps for 100s of hours, "sacrificing" their weekends for 8-10 weeks in a row and in the end the prize money was ... meh. So I look forward to see how the new community tournament format works out. At the moment I don't think it will have the same excitement as TMGL/TMWT, but I don't want to be biased. :D
I am also looking forward to tournaments where you dont have to be part of an organisation to compete, like it has been the last few years where the spots are not owned by the players but by the orgs.
But I guess like most people in the community I am very angry at nadeo for not communicating with anyone at all. It is so sad to see how many esports orgs closed their TM team because Nadeo did not say anything. Lets see how much damage this has caused.
And I dont like that its only stadium car. I mean maybe I am biased because that would give you a huge advantage, but at the same time I dont really understand why not. Yes, the stadium car has always been the competitive car. But there have been great tournaments in other environments. And the fact that you can change cars mid-race is something that has never been done before. So technically it is the first time that you do not really have to choose an environment. So why not atleast try it? But to be fair, I have never played a competition myself. I have only been following TM esports since TM2020 and I am very bad at the new envs, so who am I to judge if this is right.
Solos > Duos, no one cheered for orgs, but for drivers. No idea why communication was so ahtu kaka
Excited that there is going to be another competitive league. Shame that the format is so different but does mean that some players get a chance again that aren't in big orgs.
Like what happened with Miquattro qualifying to be promoted up then being denied because of team selections.
So going to be cool to see who comes out of the woodwork to get qualified. Like Paco / Scrapie / Dexter etc
It gives people the hope to play at the top level where as that didn't feasibly exist before. Think the NZ team last year that knocked out Sprout.
The entire tourney could be full of underdog stories like that. Could be cool
In an we have qualification tournaments organised by all the orgs that were previously in trackmania :)
I am really sad seeing duos go, maybe they will come back later.. but as it feels, the circuit is supposed to be more open to all, and i think for some players it would be harder to find a teammate..
as for the prize money and streaming making maybe more money than the circuit.. i think no one is preventing the tournament organizers so add price money to the tournaments itself, right? so I think maybe nadeo is approching it more like the valve/cs style, with numerous organiszers having a league and tournaments with their own pricemoney over the year like ESL and Blast.. so maybe there will be some torunaments, even like the BIG Lan in the future, where you can earn money, and collect points for the playoffs
i mean if its open for everyone then i can see why they dont want duo's. thats mostly a team thing. most people going for this is not gonna be on a team.
In regards to the other cars they could have allowed them but made to be a max of 10% of the track or something. That way they are not too important but can add a bit of variety.
If i see a final with you and Scrapie im gonna be the most split fanboy ever 😂
I think you know who you'd wheely support 👀
@@TheAstraios im not in controller of this
@@lennyt4205 Mind might be telling you no, but the pedals are telling you yes.
@@TheAstraios cant joystick my mind to a conclution 🤯
47:07 "I'm a professional player" proceeds to crash the same turn 11 times in a row
it is pretty insanely hard tho when you havent learned it yet
I am so glad World Tour is happening !!
I am very skeptikal after watching the whole Video.. I will miss identitys and 2v2s
At least we can count on Nadeo to be disappointed when it comes to E-Sports…
The only possible explanation I can come up with is that they tried to work on something bigger/better till the last second but since it didn‘t work out they had to use this as the gap filler and couldn‘t communicate it earlier. Still unprofessional af but I guess still better than nothing at all and it might at least keep some of the old players somewhat invested and give upcoming players somewhat of an incentive to keep improving. We really need a huge improvement for 2025 tho!
its just easier to say who the best player is from solos rather than duos, kinda how carlJR is known to be the best is 100% because it was Solo, if it was duo we would talk about the best team instead possibly. Also i assume its based on Formula-E its trackmania trying to lean further into the fact that Formula 1 has worked for a long time with the same formula.
I'm interested in how the qualifying Tournaments will work. I mean the 64 highest players get points so can only 64 players per tournament play ? So if you cant play on that day or you cant join because of two many players or game crash, pc crash, internet issues, blackout whatever your just unlucky or how will this work ?
38:24 yes yes, Trilluxe' professional casts =))))))
such professional much wow
The individual tournaments are not required to exclusively use the provided maps? So it might be that for every official tournament you have to learn a couple of new maps and do this like 2 a month or so?
They should put the maps in competitive next season would be so good still missing the time where we had the e maps in the pool.
rarely commenting luv ur content granady ;D but even critics from a lurker and non TM player might be interesting
As a Only TM content watcher of various Content creators and streamers and not even playing the game i have to say im glad the overall format is back but the state it came back in feels so lackluster
- first of all i dont like the idea including basicly every single player (regions stuff etc.) were talking about e-sports which should be the pinnacle of the game atleast playerwise and skill wise giving everyone a chance to compete is nice but they allready had alot of pro players who allready competed for years and made themself a name but yet it feels like they were basicly all dropped and told "start from the beginning like everyone else" some kind of headstart or acknoledgment for their past performance would have been nice
- then giving away the responsibility of hosting tournaments and events to players/third party organizers feels kinda weird
- the mappack that got released seems for me EASY (just a content watcher) if ur trying to compete at the top maps shouldnt be easy and for everyone as stated above standing at the top of the game shouldnt be played by anyone, if ur striving to be one and qualify for a Top 8 spot in the end the mapps should be way harder and i miss the identities were even pros had to be considerate about speed, angle, setup etc.
- for 1v1v1v1 format which will most likely be featured in most tournaments its ok even tho i will miss the 2v2 team setup from last TMWT felt just way more exciting and you were able to see alot of times incase one player failed or slit out or whatever you're teammate was there to atleast secure some points or prevent the other team from scoring very well
- the actual runtime of the whole World Tour seems way to long for me especially for a total prize pool of 18k (shared between top 4) over the course of 6 months
Homologated™️
Me when I saw this video and that TM E-Sports is back : 😧😃😎
Me after I finished the video: 😑
- Maps don't look exiting
- 2vs2 > everyone vs everyone
- Weird/Confusing qualification
- Only Stadium car? Why? I don't get it.
Why would they release two new cars and not include them in TM E-Sport?
That makes no sense to me.
If they don't want full Rally or Snow map, fine I guess.
In my opinion TM E-Sports should include as much as possible, from what TM has to offer.
I hope this will only be a temporary format for TM E-Sport.
I guess it's better than nothing.
Sad for 2v2. Personally I like watching fast learning completions. Watching players work things out in real time is my favorite part of trackmania viewing. I watched TMGL back when it was six lapers, but lately I've just watched a little of the larger events. I think the reason they changed the 2v2 system is because of decreasing view numbers, but I think there are a lot of other factors at play. Would be nice to see some team learning, like when you and Lars played that short cutting comp a few years ago.
My reaction was similar to Spammie's, as in, I started cursing in a language approximating dutch. A shame they didn't keep the orgs or anyone in the loop. A shame that the duo format is scrapped. Cool that they opened it up, in theory, for laymen to participate. But a shame they did it this way. - - +
How can it be that Nando has worse communication than ATVI-Blizzard
I like the new tmwt, but I'm dirt at this discovery. Literally got no medal/bronze and I felt like all my massive improvements were nothing compared to this skill gap
Very pogging Big G!
im happy that tmwt is back but the duo format and identities were one of the most exciting parts for me as a viewer.
its so awkward seeing someone win a tournament and they celebrate for 15 seconds and sit down again because second, third etc need to be played out.
idk. cup mode is not that exciting even if it is pretty fair :/
well we will see how it will turn out but so far nadeo seems to be giga lost regarding esport
i like single a lot more. Nice^^
What are the comments regarding Alliance about?
What in the Riolu is this ? 😂
i think making it solo is part of the (questionable) decision to allow every rando who ever played the game into the rankings: can't play duo without a partner, and it takes some effort to find one...
also, with the (also stupid) nationality rule and duo, someone like scrapie or mudda couldn't really compete: just name one belgian/australian who would do anything but handicap them.
I get your point, sure, but Scrapie is like the number 4 player in Belgium at the moment. Soulja, Arthaniir and Skandear have been more successful in recent years. Then again, Scrapbro hasn't really tried since like 2021 so maybe he still has it in him :)
Too bad for the 2v2 format, here the statement from Kameto (last year, not accurate words but same idea)"Duo is better because when one player crash at the beginning of the round, you can follow and cheer for the other one, that's make the match more confortable to watch"
Ubisoft or/and Nadeo could litteraly sell a 10 euro tickets within the game to found the esports, allowing, I don't know, allowing to the buyers, the right to chose, to vote, identities and map pool for the next season, and we will buying it.
Are these maps really supposed to be driven in the World Tour finals and not just some qualifier tournaments? Why make easier maps for the best players in the world? I can understand, that some players didn't like to play some previous TMGL/TMWT maps, but they were good to watch as long as they were just difficult and punishing and not random.
I wouldn't really see this as a professional season, it's more like an amateur season. COuld stil be fun to watch though!
It's not perfect, not at all, but, it's something, hopefully a start to something new. I'd love it to eventually reach what TMGL was reaching, I have my doubts, but I'd love to be wrong. Maybe if it's successful enough, or has a high enough playerbase, we'll see other modes, other leagues. I'm reaching here, quite far, but hey, you never know. The game has deserved a true eSports position, but if this fails... it's not looking good.
Tmgl was hype because the format was different and the maps had fun to watch identities. I’m glad some kind of official competitive is back, but not a fan of these changes.
I just dont understand their decision. I thought last year they nailed so much and this year would be some fine tunning. As a viewer its harder to get into an esport by rooting for one player then for a team. You had people who never played trackmania watching the world tour.
I personally feel the opposite. I myself don’t know that many players or have relations to teams, free for all makes me able to cheer for multiple and individual players. Now I’ll be able to cheer for both Mudda and GranaDy without also cheering on their teammates who I don’t know anything about xd
Yeah... I know personally I'd rather watch you stream and make yt content and participate in the really big tournaments organzied by the community more than seeing you participate in WT. It's the best option financially and content wise
25:50: The track characteristics for the custom tournaments sound incredibly boring. I get that it should not be KACKY or something, but I thought we want to see some variety! Some creativity! At first Nadeo says that they want to do exactly that - inspire the community to take part with their own events - and then they make the format so fixed, that we can only see the same tournaments with the same style and maps.
Especially the duration: 50-70 seconds. No multilaps, no tournaments with fewer maps but longer maps, or more maps and shorter maps. That's EXACTLY the variety that would have been cool. But no, they fix down the duration, the style and everything.
while not optimal it is better than nothing, hopefully they can improve it next year and at least give some side competitions withs duos, would be a waste to just throw the entire thing in the garbage.
It feels clear to me that they wanted to cut out all the orgs. They have been absolutely shafted. No communication to them whatsoever, a competition-format that does not support a team but rather an individual, and like you mention, much more difficult to cast and with it showcase sponsors. Is that bad? From a professional e-sports athlete; probably, not a lot of incentive for teams to retain you and pay you a salary. For the viewer, I think so also, but I don't know for sure.
If it was duo again orgs would sue nando
Hi my name is Nadeo and I try to build e-sports by disrespecting orgs that work with us. I take my community for granted and don't tell them anything for months while completely restructuring their livelihood.
it looks like they tryed to copy the valve dota style, majors and others are organised by others and give points for the international.... thing is... those other orgenised turnis where there befor the international and allready big and valve started to elevate it from that point...
Nadeo is just hoping that others start to do the regular season for them
hello guys
About the maps: I find them quite boring, obviously. Compared to the amounts of very memorable maps that we had, obviously there is not a lot going on here anymore.
What happened to alliance? Why are they in the mud?
They disbanded 15th of March
@@HarryWizard wait for real? Oof
Although it doesn't seem like it matters since anyone can participate equally
from a spectator point of view the 2v2 format with maps having that "identity" etc was really enjoyable. maybe maps that are made to "look cool" arent the best for players but i think an esport needs to be primarily concerned with its feasibility to attract an audience and in that sense those maps and that format was really quite enjoyable.
tm isnt that big of a game, it needs to attract non players as spectators, like many esports have, for example RTS esport almost entirely have relied on being able to attract non players to still watch. these maps arent interesting at all from a non-player perspective. theyre not flashy or cool, as a result theres like zero interest to watch esport on this from a non player perspective.
Now just get casters who give a shit. I like Wirtual but I had to turn off the last time when he started half assing the job.
Maps are relatively boring and it is missing atleast a single map for each rally and snow car. I dont expect Zerator level maps but they should be more interesting then slightly harder cup of the day maps.
Not that it matters when they rely on third party tournaments. Maybe everyone will give nadeo the middle finger and make their tournaments so they arent homologated.
@@xBox360BENUTZER "Stop using that fucking homologaglactic word!" - Spam, 2024
But pros haaaaate the other cars, so clearly we should just see them as purely for the silly casuals, who love dumb gimmicks like the new cars. Because they are not performing like the pros which are very professional, you see?
I also think they should accomodate the poor pros more, by getting rid of everything but normal road blocks, I think that would make for an even better PrO EnViRoNmEnT.
@@umbaupause acting like anyone enjoys the other cars omegalul
@@umbaupause wanting to be good at trackmania 2020 is completely different from wanting to be good at rally/snow car. They are different skills, it'd be like if Tekken 8 tournaments had 1 game of smash bros melee each round.
ngl theres a 0% chance im gonna watch tm esports without identities and flashy maps designed to appeal to spectators.
I think a statement about the vision Nadeo has for TM E-Sport would be super interesting and might explain some decisions they made.
E.g. world cup qualification for regionals is probably just a trick to make sure they have players from all regions. Just imagine how interesting an EU players only world cup would be for other regions... surely most viewers are from EU, but could still loose lots of interest outside EU which in turn is really bad if they want to grow TM as an E-Sport.
Stakeholder Management obviously is a disaster... It's definitely impossible to make everyone happy, but it looks like they are not even trying...
Regarding format etc... I think one of the most interesting parts of TM is that it has such a huge variety both in the game itself, but also in the formats that are possible to do with it. So constraining all the homogalactic tournaments to be basically the same is a big loss for me as a viewer. E.g. with SOTW and OOTW to me it looks like the community is growing a lot and I would love to see something similar also in an E-Sport Context.
why statement from nadeo??? nadeo has nothing to do with that other than give ubi and toornament their game
14:00 I imagine it'll be similar to the football world cup where they want representation from more countries and then each region will have a quali tournament with a set number of qualifiers from that region. If it is this way it is kinda stupid because it will mean worse players from less competitive regions will get in while better players from more competitive regions won't make it. At least if im understanding this correctly.
Just something, but you should put the current song name in your overlay. Pretty sure there are existing plugins for this that I've seen people use.
I get that they want the tournaments to be more accessible, which I think is a valid goal, but god, these maps are so boring. Out of the first 2 maps the ice 360 is the only remotely interesting element. Who wants to watch these?
Almost every map looks so generic and mainly boring. idk, it dont seems like im missing something when i skip this year watching tm esports.
people saying they miss identities is the biggest Stockholm syndrome I’ve seen in a long time
why? :D I always said I like them and out of a viewer perspective many enjoyed them as well. Of course not talking about random bad ones but good exciting identities made maps more exciting, especially when having to play them for multiple months
@@GranaDyTVmost of the times identities didnt really add much to the map imo, they rather took away from the whole map by making the audience and players on one specific part rather than the whole race - this wasnt of course the case for all of, slowdown, edge, pool, just to name a few, are great examples for identities. If all of them were more mundane like that, I would really enjoy them, but the fact that they were rather more over the top than not imo, I really didnt enjoy them and rather have them left out
Bring back the 2v2 format... this is boooring