How the Arcana Inspired ALL of Persona 3 (Main Cast Analysis)

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  • @LadyVirgilia
    @LadyVirgilia  Рік тому +23

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    So I did briefly (kinda jokingly) call apathy a "non-emotion" near the end there, when in reality it's often a symptom of many unaddressed emotions 😢
    I loved revisiting and updating this series that started my channel nearly 5 years ago! I'd love to know what arcana you like or relate to know the most!
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  • @masquerabe6692
    @masquerabe6692 6 місяців тому +46

    It took me until viewing P3’s story again, but I think I know why Protag doesn’t react to the dark hour in the beginning. If Death has been living in him since he was a child, he’s probably experienced the dark hour multiple times in his life. It’s just become a part of his life, nothing unusual to him.

    • @ZenIsBen
      @ZenIsBen День тому

      In Reload at least, this is not the case as you arent given the choice to say yes when directly asked if you know about the dark hour, but in the animated movies, he outright says yes and that he's experienced it for years.

  • @termanaterbob
    @termanaterbob 7 місяців тому +33

    To give an alternative reading of Jin/The Hermit, Persona as a series is centered on the importance of interpersonal relationships. The Hermit as a character who often rejects social interactions out right is likely also further commentary on the danger of not reaching out to others and isolating yourself from the broader community. When I was learning to read Tarot that was the first inverted reading i was given as an example.

  • @darrenwest9091
    @darrenwest9091 Рік тому +38

    Persona 3 came along and bumped FF7 out of my favorite game of all time spot. It warms the soul to see fresh deep cuts so many years later. Only the classics provide such longevity of analysis.

    • @ingonyama70
      @ingonyama70 Рік тому +4

      I've yet to play a "definitive" version of the game that knocks FF7 off my personal pedestal, but I do appreciate the layers of meaning that the game's tarot motifs and psychological examination ascribe to the narrative.
      I just think FF7 is way more fun to play.

  • @arithedragon6198
    @arithedragon6198 7 місяців тому +12

    So, I love this video, as someone who periodically will partake in tarot readings myself, both giving, and recieving. I really love hearing how each character links to their respective arcana.
    Though one thing that I think is a little overlooked, and I think you forgot to talk about it. Is how the Judgement arcana in the game, actually has a layer of symbolism, in the fact that, it is after death, and after them learning that Death is coming, and it's inevitable... that they come together, with their own judgement, their own understanding of life.
    You could even fit in the events that lead up to the final battle, after December 31st, into the other arcana, all leading up to Jin, Takaya, and Nyx.
    Because they are judgement, they come after death, because they are after death, they have overcome Death, and even that they are beyond Death, and far beyond the Hermit and Fortune. Proving that Takaya andd Jin didn't stand a chance against them, once they found their resolve as a group.

  • @mystery8820
    @mystery8820 Рік тому +63

    This video was truly made ahead of time with the eventual release of P3 Reload. Definitely something worth a re-watch and to look back on when Reload is released.

    • @LadyVirgilia
      @LadyVirgilia  Рік тому +12

      Thanks for your generosity!
      will be interesting to see if Reload changes anything when it comes to the arcana... 🤔

  • @JohnLee-dp8ey
    @JohnLee-dp8ey 7 місяців тому +14

    Another thing I noticed is that every main character in P3 (minus Fuuka) has dealt with the death of a close person, and this is the proof (also spoilers for P3):
    1. MC/Makoto Yuki (and similarly FEMC/Kotone Shiomi) lost their parents 10 years prior to P3, later themselves dying.
    2. Yukari Takeba lost her father from the same incident, later MC/Makoto Yuki, in her romance path.
    3. Junpei Iori lost Chidori when she revived him (even after coming back to life, she basically doesn't remember him)
    4. Mitsuru Kirijo lost her father during the events of P3 when Ikutsuki betrayed everyone. (Also MC)
    5. Ken Amada lost his mother 2 years prior to P3 to Shinjiro's persona Castor, and later Shinjiro as well.
    6. Akihiko lost his sister Miki when he was little, and later on, Shinjiro.
    7. Shinjiro himself dies in the game, and also being directly responsible for Ken's mother's death.
    Fuuka Yamagishi being the complete oddity, not having anyone close to her dying (that is if you don't include Shinjiro and MC/Makoto Yuki in her romance path)

    • @jjrc3105
      @jjrc3105 Місяць тому +1

      There's also Koromaru, who lost their first owner prior to the events of the game, and Aigis, who had to deal with MC's death which was further explored in The Answer.

    • @JohnLee-dp8ey
      @JohnLee-dp8ey Місяць тому

      @@jjrc3105 Oh yeah, kinda missed them.

  • @86fifty
    @86fifty Рік тому +137

    Imma literally write these nuggets of wisdom down in my Tarot Journal, because the story of fighting God in a Japanese port town holds more emotional weight for me than the "think about your hetero marriage and children that you definitely have" suggestions in a lot of the Tarot Book white-books :P

    • @jonathan_byers_stan2416
      @jonathan_byers_stan2416 Рік тому +18

      Literally the persona games helped me understand tarot more than actual books do,,, and it makes it so much more fun 😭

    • @implozia1360
      @implozia1360 6 місяців тому +2

      The Tarot card guides always assume to be some kind of adult with a job, which, as a highschooler being the only one in your class with the cards having warranted overnight interest in themselves with these cards, it did hit tought to interpret. I was regularly going off track for them to work, so this also hits home with me.

  • @Nrubyiglith
    @Nrubyiglith Рік тому +15

    1:15:50 I always liked that line from Mitsuru too, that no one can just make their own decisions on living and apply them to other people. I just hope she actually still says that in Reload! In P3P, they replaced those lines to instead have her give a somewhat tone-deaf lecture about how Takaya doesn't have friends to give him strength like SEES has, and I've noticed Reload retaining Portable script changes in released footage so far. Be a shame to lose it a second time. Oh well, it is just a few lines regardless.

  • @hcook1023
    @hcook1023 7 місяців тому +5

    There's the comparison the the MC and FeMC in that they actually have the same outlook on life despite different behaviors, in fact in the start the most comparable character is Takaya himself. It's an interesting dichotomy both for what is essentially the same person and their mortal enemy.
    Makoto is the stereotypical emo mostly uninterested, off to the side disconnected to the world. While Kotone (FeMC) is more bubbly at the center of things but doesn't allow meaningful bonds, in the center of the world but unreceptive.
    It's not until they are basically forced into SEES that they start forming a real connection to the world and it's people. After all even Persona 5 mentioned the Ren had family and sent him away in for his and their mutual benefit, while Persona 3 both are orphans who never had a stable home in 10 years.

  • @ChiefMedicPururu
    @ChiefMedicPururu Рік тому +13

    Thanks for talking about Ken without crapping on the poor kid.

    • @chiangkai-shrek1575
      @chiangkai-shrek1575 5 місяців тому +3

      Ikr? People still hate him for what happened (even if it literally wasn't his fault)

    • @ChiefMedicPururu
      @ChiefMedicPururu 5 місяців тому

      @@chiangkai-shrek1575 They needed a scapegoat, despite that Takaya is RIGHT THERE.

  • @VXMasterson
    @VXMasterson Рік тому +14

    BABE WAKE UP NEW HOUR LONG LADY VIRGILIA VIDEO DROPPED

  • @maxfight5744
    @maxfight5744 Рік тому +7

    Instead of "S" Word we should all start saying "Sent to the Shadow realm" like in yugioh lol.
    Love the video and the in depth side you take on these subjects and characters can't wait for reloaded

  • @junesuenovt
    @junesuenovt Рік тому +9

    Thanks for the long video on my favorite persona game. This will help me sleep at night :)

  • @courtjester7778
    @courtjester7778 Рік тому +6

    Great job Lady! This video is sooo much more than I was hoping for. It was totally worth the wait! My wife and I have been exploring tarot for about a year now, and I have some familiarity with the major arcana and its meaning. It’s great to see how deeply the devs worked the cards’ themes into the characters lives and journeys.
    For myself, the arcana that most resonate are the Chariot and Temperance. I believe very strongly in the principle of balance, and those cards help to keep me questioning how well I am keeping to that ideal in my physical and spiritual life.

  • @VainerCactus0
    @VainerCactus0 Рік тому +4

    Excellent compilation/remake right here, gets all the info across perfectly. Hopefully the P3 reload thing is as well considered.
    Right as I finish this video, the Indian Space Agency is attempting to land their Chandrayaan-3 spacecraft on the Moon. Let us wish them luck!

  • @Coolio_Ash
    @Coolio_Ash 7 місяців тому +5

    I'm interested in the tarot after death and what that could mean for a potential future narrative related to persona 3.

    • @Coolio_Ash
      @Coolio_Ash 7 місяців тому

      Wild head canon based on nothing. But it would be cool.

  • @gentrelane
    @gentrelane 7 місяців тому +1

    Vids like this really drive home how cleverly written and good Persona 3 is. Great job. Love this game

  • @OW8579
    @OW8579 Рік тому +3

    I really appreciate that you put full subtitles on this long video!

  • @siph0r154
    @siph0r154 Рік тому +4

    I was correct. This is a phenomenal update/companion piece to your ealier work. Great Job, Lady ( ^.^ )

  • @kevinkendall923
    @kevinkendall923 Рік тому +11

    been waiting for this one! p3 is my favorite game & i love your videos so this is gonna be a good one :)

  • @Mockingdragon
    @Mockingdragon Рік тому +2

    This was a great video! I love these analyses. I don't know that I have an affinity with any particular card, but I do know I'm most afraid of the Hanged Man. I think it's because that specific crisis of having to make a difficult choice is so much harder for me to deal with than the Tower's more general, out of control destruction. Whatever choice the Hanged Man makes, they have to take responsibility for.

  • @jmporkbob
    @jmporkbob Рік тому +20

    here's one for the algo

  • @brreakfastYT
    @brreakfastYT 7 місяців тому +1

    of course. can't make a P3 video without akihiko's classic line

  • @ryoujiarisato7308
    @ryoujiarisato7308 7 місяців тому +1

    i fucking love this game so much, it's by far the one they nailed the arcanas the most.
    "The arcana is the mean by which all is revealed" This game lives and die by this sentence. The more you study about tarot, the more the characters make sense and that's just magical to me.
    When i was younger and played this for the first time, i'd assume shinji was a hanged man at first just for the outside, but the more you get to know him the more you see how he's probably the best personification of the hierophant, while making itself unique from the fatherly presence that the emperor would provide.
    It's just beautiful, i'm a psychologist and a major tarot enthusiast, so i usually watch these videos expecting quite a few oopsies, but this one is great, couldn't find anything i disagreed with!

  • @NickSilvaArt
    @NickSilvaArt 7 місяців тому +1

    very well done on this video!! i appreciate how well spoken and clear you are on what can be a somewhat complex subject matter.

  • @nocturne353
    @nocturne353 Рік тому +4

    Thanks for posting this. I'm going through a hard time in life and you vids keep my mind off it 😊

  • @funnyurchin2379
    @funnyurchin2379 Рік тому +3

    just found you channel. diving in the rabbit hole of persona. keep up the good work!!

  • @abdulazizmari9021
    @abdulazizmari9021 Рік тому +5

    I literally just got done watching the “One big Greek tragedy” video!

  • @Koregame
    @Koregame 2 місяці тому

    Damn thanks for your hard work on this video. Just beautiful and very insightful. Damn Persona 3 always makes me cry.

  • @Founderplot
    @Founderplot Рік тому +2

    Can’t wait to watch this later

  • @Daniel_Coffman
    @Daniel_Coffman Рік тому +12

    I have to wonder what Koromaru's "initial" Persona would have been, if one were to count Cerberus as his pre-game Ultimate?
    As for the arcana I relate to the most, that would be Emperor. I do tend to be an elder brother or at times even father figure to my friends. Even though I'm not into the pseudo-science of astrology, I still can never help but find it intriguing how it fits me the most, given that it is one of my Birth Arcana, with the other being Death.
    In case one doesn't know where that's coming from, I got that from my birthday, December 6, 1993. I break all of those numbers into two-digit numbers and add them all together. 12 + 6 +19 + 93 = 130. We then break that into two two-digit numbers and get 13 + 0, which is 13; the number of the Death Arcana. From there, you split 13 into 1 + 3, which adds to 4, the number of the Emperor Arcana.

    • @ingonyama70
      @ingonyama70 Рік тому +3

      I'd offer Hachiko, the dog who waited for his master after his passing, as one idea.

    • @Daniel_Coffman
      @Daniel_Coffman Рік тому +3

      @@ingonyama70 I was thinking about him, but Koromaru's already based on him in the first place, so I think that'd be too on-the-nose.
      I was first thinking about Cwn Annwn; a group of hounds from Irish mythology from the Otherworld and would be sent by the King of Annwn to hunt mundane creatures. Rather than Hell like Christians could think of it as and think of Hades as, Annwn is more like Heaven, however; a "land of plenty" and "eternal youth." I'm not sure exactly how fitting that would be for Koromaru overall, but at least it could appear as three dogs that would then fuse into Cerberus.

  • @sunwardblonde
    @sunwardblonde Рік тому +3

    You’re so amazing Lady!

  • @hcook1023
    @hcook1023 7 місяців тому +1

    Not gonna lie I appoach most hardship like upright Death, except for Death itself
    Like most this instinctual fear is something I never want to face although inevitable, there's a reason most who greet it are very depressed, in pain, or old. The ultimate ending to the best thing you'll ever have, life.

  • @shao6028
    @shao6028 Рік тому +3

    let's go! really really excited to be watching this :)

  • @zedekiahcouey2090
    @zedekiahcouey2090 2 місяці тому

    23:25 i was waiting for this!

  • @davidtarrabbassist3749
    @davidtarrabbassist3749 Рік тому +2

    Every video is a banger

  • @jitensha5231
    @jitensha5231 Рік тому +2

    Just announced: P3 Reload coming out February 2, 2024!

  • @MikeFrans
    @MikeFrans Рік тому +5

    Thank you for this, was already going through your catalog in prep for P3R, this was the perfect cherry on top. Do you have a favorite character/arcana?

    • @LadyVirgilia
      @LadyVirgilia  Рік тому +6

      Thanks for the tip! ^^
      Hmmm, I genuinely like all the characters and arcana for different reasons. Junpei is my favorite of them though! And if I had to pick an arcana... it's actually not one covered in this video: Star~

  • @mystery8820
    @mystery8820 Рік тому +1

    29:11
    Pfft, he’s still running and he’s stuck.

  • @matius851
    @matius851 Рік тому +2

    Love your analysis they are pretty complete
    Hope you one day analyse the spin off persona users like Sho, wolf, etc

  • @orionperez4985
    @orionperez4985 Рік тому +3

    Thank you very much for your informative and thorough videos LadyVi! I’ve recently stumbled on your videos and I’m enjoying them a lot! Please continue to make more great vids and I’m excited for future installments ^^

  • @VanNessy97
    @VanNessy97 Рік тому +5

    I actually do want to see another Persona user of the Strength Arcana, only this one is human and starts out in the reverse position, with their entire Social Link being about learning some impulse control and how physical strength isn't the only kind of strength that makes a person strong. Restraint takes strength, patience takes strength, and slowly they turn from an emotional glass cannon to someone who is strong in both mind and body. Maybe I'll put that concept into my own Persona OC.

  • @toastynachoos
    @toastynachoos 8 місяців тому +2

    I'm the Magician, don't @ me

  • @86fifty
    @86fifty Рік тому +4

    1:12:16 - aaaand it is at this moment, that I realize, that from only seeing the P3 cast in Persona 4 Golden and P4 Arena and Ultimax, that I have made quite a mistake. Chidori is a different charater from Chihiro... ^^;

  • @OathKeeperRiku07
    @OathKeeperRiku07 Рік тому +1

    Video helps since I'm continuing my Kotone story in P3P and do have return to my Makoto run

  • @ventusthekey5187
    @ventusthekey5187 Рік тому +2

    Nobody, absolutely noone;
    LadyVirgila; TEAR-ROH

  • @geese3000
    @geese3000 Рік тому +1

    Recently finished p3fes so I can finally watch your p3 videos. Let's gooooo

  • @codymayer4784
    @codymayer4784 Рік тому +1

    Another great video

  • @affinityforbrownpears8386
    @affinityforbrownpears8386 Рік тому +2

    One day these videos will get Yukari's conflict with her mother and Mitsuru right, but today is not that day.
    Who would think, as a traumatized child or teen, that their parent cared about or respected their other deceased parents memory if the way they handled their grief was by shacking up with random shady men while also leaving their grieving child to fend for themselves?
    Why would you trust someone who kept a giant secret that pertained to the truth and origin of your mission not to keep other secrets while you were out risking your life and were close to death's door three times by this point, and yet you still had to force the truth out of them?

    • @LadyVirgilia
      @LadyVirgilia  Рік тому +1

      I don't see where I said Yukari is an unsympathetic character at all...? Of course she has trauma, and it's understandable.
      I absolutely will always stand to bat for Yukari and her grief. It's a big reason why I made my video on The Answer specifically. She's a very realistic character.
      But ultimately trauma doesn't remove a person of all culpability for their actions. And it's not like Mitsuru doesn't have her own trauma either. "It's not Yukari's fault, but it is her responsibility" when it comes to how she treats other people. There are explanations, but it's not an excuse. And vice versa with Mitsuru. Everyone has to take reponsibility for their own actions. Sure, Mitsuru didn't reveal the entire truth, and that's on her, but she's also not forcing Yukari to be a part of SEES. Yukari is the one who wanted to join and get close to the Kirijo group to figure out what was going on.
      Overall my intention with these arcana and mythology compilation analyses aren't meant to dissect every nuance of each character, otherwise they videos would be 6+ hours each. They're just meant to explain how each character relates to their respective arcana or persona mythology.
      I usually save deep-dives of any given character for their own dedicated video, which I haven't gotten to for any of P3 yet. I don't even count my brief Junpei one as anything on-par to my P5 and P4 analyses in depth.

    • @affinityforbrownpears8386
      @affinityforbrownpears8386 Рік тому

      @@LadyVirgiliaAnd I'm not saying you did or that Yukari's shielded from her negative actions due to her trauma; that would be such a disrespect to her as a character. I'm just saying her conflict with her mom or Mitsuru in videos like these, when touched upon, is generally incomplete.
      Regarding Yukari's relationship with her mom:
      -She says in her SL that she didn't care that her mom wanted to move on, but the way she went about it, jumping from one shady man to the next, was disrespectful to her dad's memory.
      -Her telling Mitsuru that she would go to that same riverbank in Kyoto every time her mom left her alone to meet with whoever man she was with at the time.
      -She says that she can't cook at the beginning of the game, but as you progress through her SL, she reveals that she can. The reason for this is revealed in the drama CDs, where she says that she purposely hides the fact that she can cook and can generally fend for herself because she doesn't want to raise suspicions about her home life.
      -Her surprise in her SL that the man her mom started dating seemed to be a nice and decent guy.
      And yes, Yukari did join SEES of her own accord, but I don't see how that connects to Mitsuru hiding the origins and information she knew about Tartarus and the Dark Hour. Yukari knew Mitsuru was hiding something, but it seemed like she was waiting for Mitsuru to tell the truth herself. But after three near-death experiences and risking their lives every other night, she got tired of waiting.
      The fact that Mitsuru and Akihiko were fine with their operations continuing without telling the junior members of SEES everything they knew, yeah, I don't blame Yukari for feeling used or thinking that Mitsuru also knew about and hid that video of her dad. Like this secret keeping also bit her and Akihiko in the butt when it came to Shinji and Ken.

  • @implozia1360
    @implozia1360 6 місяців тому

    Extremely missed opportunity to mention Junpei's similar glow up with Sokka's.
    Both lose the only girlfriends they managed to get and both mature in similar ways. Plus I'd argue that Junpei is enacting his Tarot card's upright position as a teacher to Chidori.

  • @MenacingMM
    @MenacingMM Рік тому +1

    HELL YEAH! TY

  • @swoopingdeath1717
    @swoopingdeath1717 7 місяців тому +3

    Takaya looks like Jesus. No wonder he thinks he's chosen.

  • @Rorosketches
    @Rorosketches 24 дні тому

    10:24 Where's the protag + Junpei dancing scene from? I don't remember that bit

  • @jasperthegamemaster9237
    @jasperthegamemaster9237 Рік тому +2

    As I said in the previous comment I'm really really to the death Arcana because it's about accepting unexpected change and my dad going to jail and unexpected change so I can relate

  • @hexonictheverymediocre
    @hexonictheverymediocre 7 місяців тому

    i just picked up this game through reload, but holy shit this game is deep as hell

  • @fernoshader1363
    @fernoshader1363 Рік тому +2

    Nothing against you but I hate how you pronounce Ryoji. Other than that I really enjoy your Persona videos and will look forward to more.

  • @zanthe_
    @zanthe_ 7 місяців тому

    The Arcana is the means by which all is revealed.

  • @mysetlist2118
    @mysetlist2118 Рік тому +1

    You still play trails I can’t find many videos on latest ones and I have so many questions especially after kuro 2

  • @buthead988
    @buthead988 7 місяців тому

    13:45 you said enema

  • @yaguking
    @yaguking 8 місяців тому +1

    Aigis is best girl. Fight me.

  • @NUMBER1TRUCYFAN
    @NUMBER1TRUCYFAN Рік тому +1

    👍👍👍👍

  • @czms922
    @czms922 7 місяців тому

    I am smarter now cuz of this video 😎

  • @matiasr6509
    @matiasr6509 7 місяців тому

    Isn't Aigis part of the Aeon arcana?

    • @masquerabe6692
      @masquerabe6692 6 місяців тому

      In her social link yes but her persona is a different arcana.

  • @jasperthegamemaster9237
    @jasperthegamemaster9237 Рік тому

    If I could bring 2 videogame characters to life I would bring to life Kirby and Pharaohs and me and Pharaoh's would read comic books specifically Captain Underpants issue 3 attack of the incredibly naughty cafeteria ladies from outer space I think you'd like that one after all Pharaoh's he's a little boy they hate cafeteria food and would easily believe in conspiracy about aliens ruining cafeteria food to take over the world as for why I bring to life Kirby simply because Kirby he's cute they're cute to their core and fun fact Kirby doesn't really have a gender identity North physical gender as they come from a genderless known as void termina

  • @VicStrange9
    @VicStrange9 Рік тому

    As much as people praise Persona 3 to be "the best" of the 3 more commonly known games, I honestly cant see it.
    Yes, it deals with topics that tend to be way less common in videogames and its story has darker and more realistic components (like the existence of the Kirijo group) but at the end it doesnt reach as high of an impact as it would be the importance of seeking the truth or choosing to rebel against a predetermined destiny. I would even go as far as to say that P5 shows the real effect of apathy in society better than 3 does.
    This is just how i see it, though, not a criticism of the video itself, which I liked a lot.

    • @deantrail6789
      @deantrail6789 8 місяців тому +1

      It could be that these different themes impact people in way different ways. I personally enjoyed P3's ideas about death and change more that P4's "reaching out to the truth." And I think P5 should've done more to truly show what it means to rebel.