Now this got more meaningful than I thought it was. Especially how you said that every 4 33 is never the same. And its the audience who gets the attention.
John Cage was interested in Zen Buddhism, which is where he got the idea to determine the lengths of each of 4’33’s movements by chance. Later in life he questioned the very nature of sound and music. He realized at some point that real silence doesn’t actually exist, and he wrote 4‘33 to examine the interplay between sound and silence in the compositional process.
The point here is not the music itself but rather human thinking! Arguing about what music is and what is not, makes our minds rolling, and they are made to roll, not to stall. Breaking down the conventions (not for their own sake and definetelly not just or showing off) helps us move our minds a bit forward, broaden and widen our perception of life, ideas, boundaries, principals, convensions, notions, etc... This is what I like about this piece; every time I found myself in a talk about it, most often my day ends with new perspectives about all how's and what's in art, and perhaps in life too.
0:13 Y'know, I don't wanna argue too much with people. But, just because that is the one that played the piano (whatever that red thing is) you shouldn't call the music horrifying!
There’s actually an interview with John Cage where he explained 4’33” is a composition of rests. When he timed the composition, it turned out to be 4’33”. Take that for what it’s worth.
I think the proper distinction to make is not whether or not 4'33 isn't music or not, but rather if it's art or not. Music can most certainly be described as the combination of percussive & melodic sounds created by musical instrumentation. It seems there is a clear cut definition as to what music is. However, in the case of pure sound, that is for anyone's interpretation. Anyone can find all kinds of sounds pleasant, just look at the digital space now. It's saturated with ASMR, ambient & abstract music, and compilations of videos that string together natural occurrences that sound like music or harmony in some way. So my answer would be that John Cage's 4'33 is in fact, not music. Silence cannot be music for it is the absence of it. Silence does not have organized structure, music does. Silence can be described as the absence of sound. Perhaps not all sounds, which is why 4'33 is a rather interesting concept since it forces the listener to focus on natural sounds rather than organized sounds. So whether or not someone wants to consider silence a form of art is for their own perspective. Objectively though, music & silence are two completely different things.
For what it's worth, I think that John Cage looked at music transcripts and performances and saw periods within the transcript when there were musical 'rests' (crotchets, brieves and semibrieves et al) and concluded that these elements were 'part' of the music. He therefore, controversially went on to compose 4 mins 33 secs which only consisted of said elements. This of course led to criticism, but each performance of his infamous piece is unique and individual as each performance has its own audio contaminations that otherwise would be less audiable in a performance with fewer musical 'rests'. IMO .... a masterpiece
Even as a blues player, the silence between riffs is just as important as the actual riffs. The music is the audience, not John Cage. Absolutely brilliant. ✌️❤️🎸
@@edilsonarquiteto01 my fine arts lecturer said it was perceived as the 'perfect' time period for a song, so that's why it was 4 minutes and 33 seconds
I think John Cage mastered sarcasm that he actually made people believe that this is a masterpiece. Now I see where Randy Marsh from "South Park" get his motivation to start "Sarcasteball"
I think 4'33 is music. It is similar to Andy Warhol's "Campell's soup can" painting; both artistic pieces have a similar purpose or meaning, or content
Actually, it’s more similar to Rauschenberg‘s „White Paintings“, a series of works Cage knew of and tried to transport to the realm of music with 4‘33.
i would say it's music because its organizational structure is consciously thought out. the CONSCIOUS organization of sound in time is music, and is how it differs from nature and other random sounds.
People who like this song are either pretentious snobs who don't understand it, or troll memers. The performance of the guy staring at his stopwatch is hilarious though. Many others are painfully cringe when the musicians think they're being artistic though.
10 likes and I'll play this piece!
Where is it 😂
The likes count....
It seems to be playing right now
"Or can you? " 😂😂that one killed me
John Cage was the biggest troll of his time
he was really. His work was supposed to make you question things but humour was very much part of it.
Subversion
Dude even made the longest music ever where it will finish over 600 years later.
*coughs*
John Cage: and that was the first movement, moving on
Exactly
Ive been practising this piece my whole life
Sorry to say this but you will never perfect this piece.
Now this got more meaningful than I thought it was.
Especially how you said that every 4 33 is never the same. And its the audience who gets the attention.
John Cage was interested in Zen Buddhism, which is where he got the idea to determine the lengths of each of 4’33’s movements by chance.
Later in life he questioned the very nature of sound and music. He realized at some point that real silence doesn’t actually exist, and he wrote 4‘33 to examine the interplay between sound and silence in the compositional process.
I’d pay to hear 4 33
Same
pay up to make me shut up
@@allensucks3721 💵💰 hush now
The point here is not the music itself but rather human thinking! Arguing about what music is and what is not, makes our minds rolling, and they are made to roll, not to stall. Breaking down the conventions (not for their own sake and definetelly not just or showing off) helps us move our minds a bit forward, broaden and widen our perception of life, ideas, boundaries, principals, convensions, notions, etc... This is what I like about this piece; every time I found myself in a talk about it, most often my day ends with new perspectives about all how's and what's in art, and perhaps in life too.
What happens when you practise this at home, and there's no one listening?
A tree falls
The sound of one hand clapping.
You're listening
Rests are music too!
A piece Beethoven can hear
You really made me laugh! Great sense of humor! :)
There was no music, the rest of these theories are part of human nature to find the meaning and reasons for everything. 😂
Silence is part of music
0:13 Y'know, I don't wanna argue too much with people. But, just because that is the one that played the piano (whatever that red thing is) you shouldn't call the music horrifying!
Exactly. We all had to start somewhere. Except perhaps Mozart.
There’s actually an interview with John Cage where he explained 4’33” is a composition of rests. When he timed the composition, it turned out to be 4’33”. Take that for what it’s worth.
I think the proper distinction to make is not whether or not 4'33 isn't music or not, but rather if it's art or not. Music can most certainly be described as the combination of percussive & melodic sounds created by musical instrumentation. It seems there is a clear cut definition as to what music is.
However, in the case of pure sound, that is for anyone's interpretation. Anyone can find all kinds of sounds pleasant, just look at the digital space now. It's saturated with ASMR, ambient & abstract music, and compilations of videos that string together natural occurrences that sound like music or harmony in some way.
So my answer would be that John Cage's 4'33 is in fact, not music. Silence cannot be music for it is the absence of it. Silence does not have organized structure, music does. Silence can be described as the absence of sound. Perhaps not all sounds, which is why 4'33 is a rather interesting concept since it forces the listener to focus on natural sounds rather than organized sounds. So whether or not someone wants to consider silence a form of art is for their own perspective. Objectively though, music & silence are two completely different things.
For what it's worth, I think that John Cage looked at music transcripts and performances and saw periods within the transcript when there were musical 'rests' (crotchets, brieves and semibrieves et al) and concluded that these elements were 'part' of the music. He therefore, controversially went on to compose 4 mins 33 secs which only consisted of said elements. This of course led to criticism, but each performance of his infamous piece is unique and individual as each performance has its own audio contaminations that otherwise would be less audiable in a performance with fewer musical 'rests'. IMO .... a masterpiece
It's not music. It's a performance.
"Everything We Do is Music" - John Cage
Bit of a missed opportunity that this video isn't 4 minutes and 33 seconds. lol.
John cage is what happen when dada artist choose music instead of painting and sculpture.
Even as a blues player, the silence between riffs is just as important as the actual riffs. The music is the audience, not John Cage. Absolutely brilliant.
✌️❤️🎸
Very interesting, but why 4'33"? is there an explanation of why this time period?
4’33” is four minutes 33 seconds
@@bloopertrooper7521 Ok, i understand. But why? is there a reason for this time period?
@@edilsonarquiteto01 I mean then again nothing about John Cage or this piece makes that much sense
@@edilsonarquiteto01 because the numbers are cool
@@edilsonarquiteto01 my fine arts lecturer said it was perceived as the 'perfect' time period for a song, so that's why it was 4 minutes and 33 seconds
I think John Cage mastered sarcasm that he actually made people believe that this is a masterpiece. Now I see where Randy Marsh from "South Park" get his motivation to start "Sarcasteball"
Or the cover for Spinal Taps black album...perhaps
what i don't understand is how it took him five years to complete 4'33
Pretentious bullshit and philosophic meandering
Missed opportunity to make this video just 4'33" of a black screen.
I don’t mean to brag, but I can play a mean 4:33 by John Cage…..
Your screams are like music to my audio receptors
-Qymaen Jaysheelal general of CIS and music connaiseur.
my music teacher just played this in class
I just wrote Theme and Variations on John Cage's 4 33. Now to find a publisher.
I think 4'33 is music. It is similar to Andy Warhol's "Campell's soup can" painting; both artistic pieces have a similar purpose or meaning, or content
Actually, it’s more similar to Rauschenberg‘s „White Paintings“, a series of works Cage knew of and tried to transport to the realm of music with 4‘33.
@@jowe interestimg
its shocking to believe that every person in the world is listening and participating in 4'33'' if you think about it.
This is how famous John cage
i would say it's music because its organizational structure is consciously thought out. the CONSCIOUS organization of sound in time is music, and is how it differs from nature and other random sounds.
Our mapeh told us to listen and write a reaction, I was not expected that the music is nothing but the noise that I made
This "performance" if you can call it one is Emperor's new clothes performed as a social experiment.
10,000 comedians out of work and he's doing standup.
hes sitting
4'33 is the story of the Emperor's New Clothes.
Lollllll
I like to create a lot of music by eating with my mouth open, but other musicians do not appreciate that.
imagine this video being complete silence
Came here from lirish
That an audience wouldn't boo and jeer and slow hand-clap such nonsense speaks volumes...
I have known 4'33'' for years.But only recently I started to grasp the geniality of John Cage's work... absolutely incredible
Can be played on theremin?
Go on, Katice - I dare you!
When I saw this clip was about the right length, I thought the presenter wasn't actually going to say anything!
Well explained
People who like this song are either pretentious snobs who don't understand it, or troll memers.
The performance of the guy staring at his stopwatch is hilarious though. Many others are painfully cringe when the musicians think they're being artistic though.
Hi
Silence is also a music
Se loco eu sei tocar essa musica direitinho.
È geniale.
......
5 years for what??!
What if your deaf?
Bro it was a troll. there wasn’t even a music there-
:skull:
This is music in the same way that rap is music.
So they're both unquestionably music and acceptable forms of art?
The likes are at 333. I will not like to keep the balance intact
just another example of why 'modern' classical music is garbage
Ok Boomer