2023 Long Term Glue Test Results
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
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another year in the great glue test. we are testing 7 different glues in the long tern to see how they change over time.
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I plan on being with you all 30 years! God-willing!
Hear, hear! 😊
You have to imagine that someone or some company out there is doing this for profit (for example, to test the competition) and not sharing the results. I recognize that what James is doing here is “open-sourcing” the information. Quite laudable. Thank you!
Thanks for the testing. It's nice to have someone that has taken the initiative to do this testing. As a professional woodworker, it helps to comfirm what our years of experience have shown us. Thanks again.
I just wanted to say thank you. I started watching your channels in 2023 and it has added both value in education and entertainment. In short you have helped to make things better. Thank you for all you do.❤
I would like to see a test of strength versus temperature. How warm does PVA have to be to work properly, and how long does it have to dry before it can get cold without losing strength? 1 hour? 24 hours? What are the best alternatives to PVA for winter woodworking in a cold shop? Are other glues affected by cold?
I usually move to epoxy. it will still give its full strength in the cold it just takes longer to cure as long as it is above freezing.
Riveting! No, uh …. This content is adhesive! No, uh …. This really holds my interest!
Thanks James.
Clamping pressure test is what I've been wanting to see. Looking forward to what you find. Thanks for your curiosity and documentation!
The last pun is always worth sticking around for. 😂
thanks James
Thanks for the great job, as always!
I admire the way you stick with your adherence to high standards.
Thanks for posting
Thanks James! With all the advertising for Titebond, here comes Elmer's shouting "Hey look at me!"
This is so cool. Thanks for taking this project on James.
Great project and i truely hope to around to see it finish! Would like to see Total Boat given Dap and West System are clearly headed in opposite directions. Maybe other stuff too if it interests you. They would be 4-5 years behind and subject to other slightly differences, but for showing gross trends I think it would still be worth it. Anyway great work that is already valuable and likely to be moreso to my son.
Thanks
Im...glued... to this series. Thanks James!
Thanks for sharing that!
looking forward to the 40 yr test!
What a sticky problem,and yet so informative topic. What is the best type for a joiners' work bench? Oh, what is the proper name for the Rosewood hand tool company???? I would like to buy a sector gauge from them. Sorry to be off topic. Keep up with the good work on spreadsheets.
Great info, thanks so much!
Thanks for the annual update. I settle on TiteBond 3 (the dried color blends better with the cherry I primarily use) and Titebond Liquid hide glue. Based on data here, though not tested, looks like I will be ok. Toss in tight joinery before glue up and my pieces likely won’t be falling apart prematurely.
Love it. think I'll stick around for the end. LOL.
30 years? Heck, I'd be 75 by then! I don't know if I can stay that long. 😬
But we shall see. Either way, thanks for all the testing, James! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
And happy new year!
Me, 105, maybe but unlikely.
I appreciate the dedicated that it takes to do this sort of long term testing. It looks like there’s a lot of noise in the adjusted result, which probably means your sample size is too small - so yeah, probably best not to draw any conclusions from that. It’s neat to see the CA result, that’s sort of what I would intuatively expect (that it doesn’t hold up well over time) but I don’t actually have any data or specific knowledge to back that up… until now!
My guy n his test! Great work, keep it up
Another factor I would like see tested is shelf life. I’ve had a terrible time with Titebond 3 clumping up after less than 2 years while my gallon jug of Elmers wood glue is 8 or 9 years old and still works fine. I’d like know what your experience is with these various glues.
You are awesome
Nice job!
Great!
I hope you also print it in case of an emergency and you lose the data even on all your backups so you’ll always have a physical backup safe
Have you compared too little vs too much vs "just right" amounts to see what is the right amount? One side vs. both sides? I ask mainly in a cost vs production interest, "am I wasting glue?"
Back in the 60s my father manufactured lawn movers. In the interest of speeding rhe assembly process he investigated mounting engine mounts with Super Glue. Big failure! The glue could not survive thw vibrations of the engine. Something to do with great strength in tension, but little shear strength.
Perhaps you'd like to include some vibrational testing?
That's some nice data analysis. Excel is your friend. There are some quibbles that I could apply to the analysis, having done that same sort of analysis (sort of) for personal lines insurance for 20 years, but they would be quibbles just the same. But, really, your work is solid. What tells me that it is reliable is that the results are consistent. The Averages chart is, as you said, not quite so compelling, but the Annual chart is just so. Elmers wood glue, huh? Well color me pink and call me a jelly donut.
That is why I like to provide the raw data so people can come to their own conclusions and pull out other interesting details.
Great data thx. Really surprised by the long term failure of the CA glue, though it does support my suspicion. Elmer's Max wood glue is doing so well too, good to know.
I think the CA glue is just too brittle and the expansion and contraction of the wood throughout the seasons breaks it down
@@WoodByWrightHowTo Agreed, CA glue is very brittle. I think there are other degradation mechanisms at play with it too, some environmental, others substrate specific. Either way it is useful as a short term temporary adhesive with several controllable variables such as viscosity, set speed, colour. Every dog has his day, every tool has its use ; )
Appreciate you!!
I hadn't known you're doing this, but I was recently wondering about exactly this -- will everything made with modern PVA glues start falling apart at some time in the future? Glad you're on it! 👍
My suspicion is no ad PVAs have been around for about 90 years now and there is good furniture from them that is still around.
You’re awesome man
Long term glue test... I'm still stuck on Wood By Wright.
I'm guessing you looked at something like Gorilla Glue for the polyurethane glue you mentioned; Have you tried anything like PL375 or PL max? I've seen destructive testing with those where plywood was bonded to steel with no fasteners. The A/C ply failed first every time.
I like the Elmer's due to cost, but the open time is a lot shorter than titebond. (It's thicker) so I use both.🙂
That's one of the reasons why I've been doing more and more with epoxy. Got to love that open time.
Hey james,
I was wondering about the original outdoor gluetest. I did a much less extensive test for myself (other glues on this side of the pond, e.g. pva type 4) but basically found the same results that you got (nothing held, but I didn't test epoxy) , but I did notice that the small wooden bits seem to warp a lot more than I would expect a larger piece of wood to do. Logically that sort of made sense to me: the ratio of exposed surface area relative to the volume of wood, is much bigger. Especially the area of exposed end grain is relatively large.
I think this is why it warps so much.
On the wooden bench i built i didn't see such distortions, (epoxy glued). Nor would i expect such distortions inside, due to the variations in humidity being much lower and slower.
I was wondering if more realistic, joint-sized dimensions of the wood, would allow most glues to cope and make the test more realistic?
So, helmer is the best overall… wonder what will be like in 10 years. Nice test!!!
Yay!
I am gonna live at least another 120 years. What’s the glue for 120+?
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James...... I'm concerned about you..... 😢😮😊
Great video I have a suggestion for a video card scraper verse scraper plane do you sharpen the same way? What is the difference between the two? Thanks
I actually have an old video on that topic. And I also have several videos on sharpening each of them. Technically they're sharpened the same way but with a cabinet scraper some people like to put a 45° on one side. But you can only do one edge at a time
Happy New Year! Do you feel CA glue will fail when using it to help with cracks when turning bowls? I have also seen many You Tubers using CA glue to attach small bits and parts. Will they eventually drop off? Thanks for Sharing Your Obsessions'!!!
That is not a problem. It won't pop off and that kind of use does not put the glue under stress. I still use CA for small parts that are not under stress
I wonder if the temperature swings in your garage are influencing the poor super glue performance. Maybe making it more brittle.
That is the idea. It is kept out there so it goes through the expansion and contraction cycles.
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I built many canoe paddles and cutting boards using polyurethane glue. I have experienced no glue related failures over a 10 year period.
How exactly are you using CA glue? I watched “How to Homelife” channel videos about CA glue and he uses it much differently than most others. He saturates the joint being glued together with super thin CA glue and let it soak a few seconds and then sprays an activator on it that instantly cures it. It’s a rock solid joint and takes a sledgehammer to break apart but the glue didn’t fail, it was the wood that failed and tore a patch of wood out that was as deep as the glue saturated due to capillary action. He demonstrated with grain and end grain tests both held solidly. He’s been using CA glue for about 40 years and hasn’t had any failure problems.
I’m guessing you just put a drop or two on the joint like the commercials show for Krazy and Superglue instead of saturating the joint and applying an activator a few seconds later to instantly cure it.
Initially the glue was one of the strongest. if you look at the original data it was holding as strong as most other woods. but this is years later. I testes it with and with out activator and several different thicknesses. It is actually stronger with a medium viscosity and no activator. but not by much. I also tried cheap glue from the dolor store and several expensive versions.
I heard what you said at beginning of video I can tell you with all certainty.DO NOT TEST GLUE UP YOUR WHAZOO.You will be sorry.You also said you will include clamping in next video ..James....DO NOT GLUE AND CLAMP YOUR WHAZOO.
You will definitely regret it.😊
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