Update: Right after this video was posted they thankfully walked back their decision to close the Suggestion Channel and it does appear to be open again lol. ANOTHER UPDATE: I did find one way to farm Acid using Workshops. BUT, it's through PVP which makes this whole situation even worse since now the only way I can find ingame that will reward Acid is by forcing PVP. There should be a path for PVE players to also gather Acid that does not force us into PVP. PVP already has the Frontier battles, the workshops should be for PVE content.
@@xFTSreflex man it's not difficult to understand. To get acid you have to kill a lot of monsters and to kill monsters you need ammo and to make ammo you need acid, basically you need acid to farm acid, this makes no sense. Without considering that as he says in the video, acid is used for practically everything and will soon also be used to make aluminium...
It's 2023 the days of force grind should be put past us, it's ok for grinding but I quit new world because my time in real life is valuable, the overgrinding in some of these MMOS won't be a good formula in today's world, real life is moving to fast, time is money, but force grinding is a time of the past, again grinding is fine but over force grinding becomes a chore if the gameplay becomes stagnant
While that is true, it's nowhere near a viable option because it's all RNG on if you can even find the scrape that will give you Acid and the amounts are way too low from scraping as well.
yeah I was just pointing it out, otherwise I do agree. Acid is not a very straightforward material to grind, and it's inclusion in so many crafting elements is a bit absurd@@trandel_elent
Eh, I'm taking a wait and see approach at this time lol. The game does have tons of potential but if they do go heavy into the cash shop and P2W features then yes it will most likely not end well.
One thing they could do as a work around is make acid a craftable item with sulfur, so it would have a use finally outside of explosives that most people already don’t use
And because of that I'm using a crossbow to farm and not weapons so I recover some arrows, so I don't need to waste ammunition. At the same time I save on gunpowder and acid to make the bosses and aluminum
Which is a perfect example of bad game design 🤣. If a player is avoiding using almost every single weapon type in a game to avoid dealing with a resource type that's definitely a sign that something is wrong and needs to be looked at 😅.
cant you just farm human npcs for weaponpowder? almost every rosetta/vulture enemy i have killed drops weapon powder negating the need to use acid in ammo crafting
You're missing the point. First of all, now you're just trading one form of RNG grinding for another. And second, that still does not resolve the issue of why Acid as a resource is treated so differently than every other resource in the game. Third, it also does not change the fact that if more items keep getting added that also requires Acid as players progress this issue is just going to get worse as the game goes on.
@@trandel_elent i see your point, it should be able to be targeted to be looted in strongholds like crystals/parts are, and should not be included in ingot crafting.
@@kfs3525 Yeppers. I would be totally fine if it was part of the reward pool like all the other scrape items are. Just having some towns or Strongholds that have a high chance of that being there would be good enough. At least we'd have someplace to farm and know we'd be walking away with plenty of Acid to make it worth it. Or like I have suggested in another post, let us use fuel as a material that we can craft Acid from. Again, it would give us something we'd still have to grind somewhat for, but it would be a reliable grind.
excellent video and I absolutely agree with the opinion that it's a problem because the grind should be there but it shouldn't be demotivating, I tried the ACID grind as soon as I write this post, I'm currently level 32 and the CHALK PEAK area just opened up for me, I went to , COASTSIDE PLAZA where there is a DISCO event and I tried to kill enemies with a crossbow and collected about 40 acid in 15+ minutes outside the EVENT, I don't know if they increased the drop rate or it was like this by default, but I'm also afraid because now I'm waiting for the ACID grind, I thought still go grind SECUREMENT SILO STIGMA with a crossbow or small lvl areas
I saw some1 asking ways to farm Acid on the ingame chat, and was like, is there even a need to? I have like 200...and then unlocked aluminum and actually started using weapons other than the xbow...so, yeah. As a side note, 9:28 I feel the same, and I feel like farming wood is forced grinding too. I have to go non stop to get 3k wood or more to make even more charcoal. The electric furnace, aluminum aside, is completely useless. It does exactly the same as the normal one. I thought it was going to need less charcoal or wood to make said charcoal and have faster crafting times, but nope...
lol yeppers. All the whinners and ragers that are now harassing and stalking me all say the same thing, "just don't use guns and never make any items, blah, blah, blah" 🤣. Which that proves my whole point. If players are avoiding large parts of a game just so they don't have to grind one resource something has gone wrong. It's still closed beta so there's plenty of time for the Devs to figure this out for sure. I'm actually ok with stuff like wood because at least it's everywhere and easy to get, there's no guessing on how to get it lol. I just make sure my base is near some trees and I just do a quick 2-3 min run and get 2k+. And that's all I'm hoping for with Acid, just give PvE players a reliable way to farm it outside of PvP or hoping RNGesus gives us some good drops off of monsters.
Yeah, you dont notice it at first. But later on it becomes an issue. Having said that, some grind is ok,l but this itrems seems pretty bad. They could aslo reduce teh costs.
lvl 30 now im running constantly out of acid, wow that way too much stuff that needs acid, u need acid for meds,gunpowder and now alimunium too? lol ye thats waay too much , even gunpowder shouldnt need acid imo
they need to add a way to craft acid. i dont know why i can turn salt water into salt, or ingots into weapons but cant turn some cleaning liquid into acid. i dont mind grinding but i run out of acid multiple times a day.
While I agree on the Acid being needed for too many things, we can also get additional Weaponpowder from humanoid targets, but it's also the same problem we have with the Acid. However at least the Weaponpowder conversion to Ammo is still higher than consumption.
The issue I'm seeing and what I'm afraid of is the trend of more and more items needing Acid as players progress through the game. We're still probably pretty early into the game, at most maybe midway. So if the rest of the games progression keeps following this trend with Acid then it's going to get rough.
I subbed. I like your videos they are very helpful, and I agree with your statement here about acid. Can you do a video on echo stones and the extraction site that give acid and flags you for PvP?
Just tried a hop thru Citrus County, pulling coat hangers and plungers out of spiders (Of all place)Knife kills for the zeds, smg for flyers and the spotlight guys to keep ammo use down. 16 acid in around 7 minutes. They drop 2 acid in each instance here. I'm kind of an autistic miner in other survival games though(17k hours across 8 years) I agree, they need to refine the loot table though
It's weird they are limiting acid, as most other stuff is easy relatively to get. They should put more in the industrial area's, and maybe in cars with the fuel. Also in any garages, etc. It seems like any easy fix if tjhey want to change it: cut costs, add more acid to locations, make some mobs (octopuss, bugs, spiders???) drop more of it.
And that's the thing, there is literally nothing else like Acid in the whole game. Every single other resource has some way to reliably gather it. Acid is the only thing that relies on RNG and outdated, boring, mindless grinding as a game design choice. And it's really weird why they did that when you realize it.
Im at lone wolf wastes, enemies tend to drop acid pretty often in 6 - 7s , human enemies tend to drop weapon powder, but I do Agree, acid is used on way too many recipes, specially aluminium and tungsten, which is bad. On the electricity thing, tbh I see it as pretty poor desing decision, its better to just have a single player hive, cause your house cant sustain the deviants, even with 2 of the best generators(that is just 60 power) Game has a lot , and I mean A LOT of potential, its fun atm and can be improved, but as far as I see it ,the main problem is that it will die if it doesnt have any actual end game content, cause we`re getting to the last part, and if they plan to just do as diablo 4 did(each season you just start over) then I cant see this going forward much longer.
I agree about the end game for sure. This being closed beta we honestly have no idea what they might have planned for that and there's still plenty of time for them to get content ready for it. But like you said, if the game does release without anything for players to do at max level it's not going to go over well at all. I'm actually ok with the electrical system if it does increase to 60. At least at 60 it does open up a few more options at your personal base. Having a limit like that makes us players actually have to think about what we want to prioritize. And it makes Hives more important for things we can't do at our own base. A limit of 40 is just a little too harsh though so I'm glad to hear that I was right about the increase from the large generators 😂. As for the acid, I've been thinking about it and one way you could fix that would be to change Workshop defense from PvP content to PvE. There are already Frontier battles for PvP players to fight over, so make the Workshops group PvE content that players could work together to farm Acid 👍. That way we still have to work for it, but we have a reliable way to do so, and it would encourage people to cooperate more together. It could be like public events so that whenever someone starts it others can join and help and get rewards depending on how long they were there.
I disagree on forced grinding being bad game design, but I do agree that they probably have too many items attached to acid. Players need to stay engaged in those combat areas beyond quests and digging through trash. Gathering is already easy in the game, so I'm not mad that you have to hunt things (especially for encouragement of player clashing for pvp servers) , but too many things are fighting for the same resource and that can be adjusted.
It's totally fine to disagree, at least you're trying to make an intelligent argument for it which is a breath of fresh air 🤣. I also disagree with you, but at least we can have a civilized conversation about it lol. If the combat is fun and engaging Dev's do not have to resort to tricks like forced grinding to get their players into those Strongholds and town areas. So far I enjoy the combat so I don't mind fighting. But if it starts to feel like a treadmill I will start to resent it. Just search the word Acid in the OH Discord and anyone can see that many others agree with me that it's starting to feel like that's the only thing we're doing towards endgame is just grinding acid. One of the suggestions I've made to try and fix this is to take Workshop defense and turn it into group PVE content. It could even be a public event, one player could start it off using one of their permits and then others in the zone could teleport there to help. Of course, the player who spent the permit would get extra, but everyone else who showed up would also get acid and other rewards for how long they were there helping. That would bring more PVE players together and give them a way to reliably farm Acid, while also making them work for it and getting them engaged. Especially since PVP players already have the Frontier battles to fight over resources, PVE players need a way to get Acid too.
@@trandel_elent Interesting, but it doesn't sound like we really disagree. It may just be a difference in perception of what "enjoying the combat" means. It's seen as a grind when it's not enjoyable. The devs may just see it as a natural resource from enjoying the killing from the engaging combat. That may not be the case, but grind is simply the chore to receive an item. If the grind is enjoyable, then is it still bad game design? So many things could be considered a "grind". Hopefully, there are still additions to the game that we haven't seen that can provide more opportunities. I have no idea why they have forced PVP content on a PVE server, and I think Workshop defense should work better as you put it.
@@LurnWell I agree. I think we are agreeing on more points than not as well. My main concern with Acid is just the current trend in its use. As you mentioned, we don't know what the progression looks like past its current point. As long as there aren't more items piled onto the acid list I think it'll work out. And don't get me wrong, I don't mind some grinding, it is a survival game after all lol. I just don't want to spend half the time playing just having to grind one resource is all.
Another issue I see are the crossbow bolts, which for 5 bolts you need a ton of materials. Also, I dont know why the crossbow does huge dmg to mobs instead of any pistol, rifle.... For sure the mats need rebalancing as well as many other things........
I'm okay with how the crossbow works overall. They totally do massive damage but with the downside that they are far slower to shoot and do require more pinpoint accuracy to use effectively. So there are pros and cons that even out. But I'm on the same page as you, the overall materials usage in the game does need a pass-over before it's released lol. I think the one thing a few people are totally missing about my video (and some are raging about 🤣), is again what I am seeing as the "trend" with Acid. From what I have been able to research, Acid is literally the only material of its kind that we start using right from the start and are still using it nonstop even at level 40+ and that is what worries me. It's that more and more items will keep on being added as players progress in the future that also require Acid to the point where that's going to be the only resource everyone is always grinding for just to play the game.
You can find monsters anywhere, the problem is that Acid isn't a guaranteed drop. You could kill a dozen monsters and only have 2 or 3 of them drop Acid 😅.
@@kasper2zero283 And just how long do your "runs" go for? I'm up in Chalk Peak and I am farming for like 30+ mins at a time and barely getting 30-60 Acid at times.
About 30-40 minutes.. go to holt town and do a lap around it.. I kill everything.. it's a waste of time to do the elevator in the bank tho so I skip that. It's big enough area for me to clear from south to north and everything respawns. So I make my way back south. Just did a quick clear and got like 120. I would use a crossbow as well it saves on ammo.
@@kasper2zero283 "I would use a crossbow as well it saves on ammo." And this is yet again a sign that something is wrong. When players avoid every other weapon in the game and only use 1 weapon so they can grind a resource just to make the ammo for the other weapons something isn't right. That's just a sign of bad and backward design as I am saying. I don't mind working for a resource, just give us players a viable option other than "Don't use guns and go spend almost an hour grinding mobs just so you can make enough ammo to use guns." Again, I think turning the Workshop defense into a group PVE event would be a much better option for many reasons. You still have to work at it but it's something that would be a guaranteed way to get Acid. It would also encourage players to group up and cooperate with each other to clear it and get their Acid. Make it a public event, the person who starts it gets extra since they are the ones who used the permit to start it, but other people can teleport in to help, and depending on how long they are there helping they get more rewards.
Well, it is closed beta and the Dev's have already made tons of changes so hopefully they will figure out a better way to handle this too. Overall this is honestly the only negative video I've ever done about the game so I am hopeful that it will work out lol.
I wonder if they are setting players up to have to purchase in game currency to buy resources, or something of that nature. From the game play I've seen, this game looks rather mediocre and kind of all over the place. It doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Just doesn't appeal to me.
Well, this is NetEase we're talking about so sadly that wouldn't be a huge surprise. I could totally see them selling stacks of Acid for $0.99-1.99, especially since this is supposedly going to be a mobile game too 😐.
I spent some money on undawn and this took me no where in the game as i was playing since day one i bought the battlepass and i spent couple more on other items I hope they are talking truth about the free to play and they must listen to the negative opinions about the game I also assume that the weapons blueprints will be a thing in the future the more stars on your gun the more powerful you will be purple and gold and blue is a a thing that is must be like blueprint per full claim rewards must guaranteed from the boss fights this will make things easy like in warframe you get relics and you smash relics to get what blueprint you want in order to build a specific character I'm playing this game with cautious as I believe that there's nothing for free hope they make there game not pay to win and only sell cosmetics for real life money
If Path of Exile can survive and thrive for years and years only using cosmetics and being F2P this game can do. As long as the game is fun and engaging people will spend money on it and support it.
Not in reliable amounts. Especially when you get to the higher zones the loot tables for monsters start to have way more items than just Acid and it is very common at times to kill 10 or more and only get 2 or so that will drop it.
Yep, exactly. And when you look at it, Acid is also one of, if not the only resource that we have been using the whole game so far from start and are still using it even 30+ levels later. And that's what I'm afraid of. That the developers are just going to keep throwing in more items that need Acid as we keep leveling and progressing.
I feel with the fact players are probablly going to end up fighting over rare or valuable resources swapping acid out in some recipies could help with its repeated use and keep people from being murdered for having like 10 acid 😂
Lol there's definitely more than a few options to make this issue better. The easiest being to give players the means to craft acid, maybe after you beat the Spider boss you can learn it from the Memetics tree.
I wont be surprised if they will make acid available to buy through micro transaction, so its gonna be pay to win, thats how the games of this genre usually end up.
Not sure if I would go that far at the moment. But, things like that are unfortunately common and do happen too often. Again, Acid is basically the only resource of its kind so far in the game, which does warrant some worries along the lines you mentioned that it could be used as a cash grab when the game is released. I'm hopeful that won't be the case, but even if it's not abused that way it's still not in a great place and could end up being even worse as players progress if designed poorly.
This is netease.... omegalul. They failed to make naraka bladepoint good. They have tons of forced farming/forced pvp in lifeafter and dawn awakening. So this thing is pretty much intended. most likely there is gonna be an autoloot mechanic that is purchased where placing your base near enemies spawn is more convenient to use so base def will be more rewarding. And there will be shop/ battlepass that sells acid.. more than likely . That is why i have crossbow and my base is near a enemy spawn point. Starchrom farming on the other hand is whole level of sht. For all that work you get 30... gacha blueprints 1 10 pull is 5k starchrom. Thats alot of dungeon runs to get the cores. Higher cores produces more enemies someone said on discord.. so lol.. is starchrom worth the grind? Idk.
Yeah, Netease does not have a great reputation at all when it comes to BS like that for sure. If I'm correct and they turn the game into a grinding cashshop it will be sad but myself and many others will just move on. Thankfully I have tons of other games I enjoy to go play lol.
That's through forced PVP though. What about PVE players? If the Devs are going to give PVP players a way to farm Acid then there should be a way for PVE players to as well.
If you get the blackfell refinery permits, you can spend 5 mins to defend the refineries at strongholds that give 20,30, 40 acid each permit i've not really done all the strongholds until chalk hills (just enough for story) and i've found 4-5 permits from gear chests and they respawn every 30mis or so
And you're forgetting to mention the fact it puts you into PVP which is kinda BS in IMO. PVPers already have the Frontier battles to fight over resources. Workshops should be grp PVE content so that PVE players can work together to farm Acid.
i sent you a friend request in game name is sakura im also trying to join your hive. i also agree with the acid grinding finding myself having to go to the low lvl areas just to melee kill enemys for it
lol sorry about that! I always deny any random friend request when I don't know where it's coming from 😅. Message me and send me a request through Discord! You can find me in the Once Human Discord channel :)
Update: Right after this video was posted they thankfully walked back their decision to close the Suggestion Channel and it does appear to be open again lol. ANOTHER UPDATE: I did find one way to farm Acid using Workshops. BUT, it's through PVP which makes this whole situation even worse since now the only way I can find ingame that will reward Acid is by forcing PVP. There should be a path for PVE players to also gather Acid that does not force us into PVP. PVP already has the Frontier battles, the workshops should be for PVE content.
lazy channel complaining about acids when its droppable on all mobs and f2p grind ur asses
That one was because of all the ppl spamming to get keys for the game.
@@xFTSreflex man it's not difficult to understand. To get acid you have to kill a lot of monsters and to kill monsters you need ammo and to make ammo you need acid, basically you need acid to farm acid, this makes no sense.
Without considering that as he says in the video, acid is used for practically everything and will soon also be used to make aluminium...
Well if it's a force pvp situation I'll fall back from purchase
It's 2023 the days of force grind should be put past us, it's ok for grinding but I quit new world because my time in real life is valuable, the overgrinding in some of these MMOS won't be a good formula in today's world, real life is moving to fast, time is money, but force grinding is a time of the past, again grinding is fine but over force grinding becomes a chore if the gameplay becomes stagnant
You get Acid from dissasembling as well.
not a viable option
While that is true, it's nowhere near a viable option because it's all RNG on if you can even find the scrape that will give you Acid and the amounts are way too low from scraping as well.
yeah I was just pointing it out, otherwise I do agree. Acid is not a very straightforward material to grind, and it's inclusion in so many crafting elements is a bit absurd@@trandel_elent
This game is gonna be a micro transaction hell and flop hard
Eh, I'm taking a wait and see approach at this time lol. The game does have tons of potential but if they do go heavy into the cash shop and P2W features then yes it will most likely not end well.
One thing they could do as a work around is make acid a craftable item with sulfur, so it would have a use finally outside of explosives that most people already don’t use
And because of that I'm using a crossbow to farm and not weapons so I recover some arrows, so I don't need to waste ammunition. At the same time I save on gunpowder and acid to make the bosses and aluminum
Which is a perfect example of bad game design 🤣. If a player is avoiding using almost every single weapon type in a game to avoid dealing with a resource type that's definitely a sign that something is wrong and needs to be looked at 😅.
@@trandel_elent True!
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cant you just farm human npcs for weaponpowder? almost every rosetta/vulture enemy i have killed drops weapon powder negating the need to use acid in ammo crafting
You're missing the point. First of all, now you're just trading one form of RNG grinding for another. And second, that still does not resolve the issue of why Acid as a resource is treated so differently than every other resource in the game. Third, it also does not change the fact that if more items keep getting added that also requires Acid as players progress this issue is just going to get worse as the game goes on.
@@trandel_elent i see your point, it should be able to be targeted to be looted in strongholds like crystals/parts are, and should not be included in ingot crafting.
@@kfs3525 Yeppers. I would be totally fine if it was part of the reward pool like all the other scrape items are. Just having some towns or Strongholds that have a high chance of that being there would be good enough. At least we'd have someplace to farm and know we'd be walking away with plenty of Acid to make it worth it. Or like I have suggested in another post, let us use fuel as a material that we can craft Acid from. Again, it would give us something we'd still have to grind somewhat for, but it would be a reliable grind.
excellent video and I absolutely agree with the opinion that it's a problem because the grind should be there but it shouldn't be demotivating, I tried the ACID grind as soon as I write this post, I'm currently level 32 and the CHALK PEAK area just opened up for me, I went to , COASTSIDE PLAZA where there is a DISCO event and I tried to kill enemies with a crossbow and collected about 40 acid in 15+ minutes outside the EVENT, I don't know if they increased the drop rate or it was like this by default, but I'm also afraid because now I'm waiting for the ACID grind, I thought still go grind SECUREMENT SILO STIGMA with a crossbow or small lvl areas
Ya man definitely agree hope these problems get fixed.
$$$ microtransaction setup for the full release
I saw some1 asking ways to farm Acid on the ingame chat, and was like, is there even a need to? I have like 200...and then unlocked aluminum and actually started using weapons other than the xbow...so, yeah.
As a side note, 9:28 I feel the same, and I feel like farming wood is forced grinding too. I have to go non stop to get 3k wood or more to make even more charcoal. The electric furnace, aluminum aside, is completely useless. It does exactly the same as the normal one. I thought it was going to need less charcoal or wood to make said charcoal and have faster crafting times, but nope...
lol yeppers. All the whinners and ragers that are now harassing and stalking me all say the same thing, "just don't use guns and never make any items, blah, blah, blah" 🤣. Which that proves my whole point. If players are avoiding large parts of a game just so they don't have to grind one resource something has gone wrong. It's still closed beta so there's plenty of time for the Devs to figure this out for sure. I'm actually ok with stuff like wood because at least it's everywhere and easy to get, there's no guessing on how to get it lol. I just make sure my base is near some trees and I just do a quick 2-3 min run and get 2k+. And that's all I'm hoping for with Acid, just give PvE players a reliable way to farm it outside of PvP or hoping RNGesus gives us some good drops off of monsters.
Yeah, you dont notice it at first. But later on it becomes an issue. Having said that, some grind is ok,l but this itrems seems pretty bad. They could aslo reduce teh costs.
lvl 30 now im running constantly out of acid, wow that way too much stuff that needs acid,
u need acid for meds,gunpowder and now alimunium too? lol ye thats waay too much , even gunpowder shouldnt need acid imo
My acid ended only on lvl 45+
gonna re-edit that , im lvl50 now with a warband, once u obtain a pvp zone , acid will be endless
all i lack now is controllers 😯
Where do you get wings potion recipy from ?
From the Butterfly Deviation. Just need to get it into a Securement unit and get it happy 👍
they need to add a way to craft acid. i dont know why i can turn salt water into salt, or ingots into weapons but cant turn some cleaning liquid into acid. i dont mind grinding but i run out of acid multiple times a day.
Totally agree. I don't mind some grind. I just want a more reliable way than just mindlessly killing mobs for a drop that isn't even guaranteed.
I take it you ran into the acid problem haha
Yeah lol. It's for sure starting to be an issue but it's still closed beta so I'm hopeful the Devs will figure something out.
While I agree on the Acid being needed for too many things, we can also get additional Weaponpowder from humanoid targets, but it's also the same problem we have with the Acid. However at least the Weaponpowder conversion to Ammo is still higher than consumption.
The issue I'm seeing and what I'm afraid of is the trend of more and more items needing Acid as players progress through the game. We're still probably pretty early into the game, at most maybe midway. So if the rest of the games progression keeps following this trend with Acid then it's going to get rough.
Oh nice! The enemies drop acid? No wonder this game looks so cool.
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its the one resource i run out of regularly.
I subbed. I like your videos they are very helpful, and I agree with your statement here about acid. Can you do a video on echo stones and the extraction site that give acid and flags you for PvP?
Just tried a hop thru Citrus County, pulling coat hangers and plungers out of spiders (Of all place)Knife kills for the zeds, smg for flyers and the spotlight guys to keep ammo use down. 16 acid in around 7 minutes. They drop 2 acid in each instance here. I'm kind of an autistic miner in other survival games though(17k hours across 8 years) I agree, they need to refine the loot table though
It's weird they are limiting acid, as most other stuff is easy relatively to get. They should put more in the industrial area's, and maybe in cars with the fuel. Also in any garages, etc. It seems like any easy fix if tjhey want to change it: cut costs, add more acid to locations, make some mobs (octopuss, bugs, spiders???) drop more of it.
And that's the thing, there is literally nothing else like Acid in the whole game. Every single other resource has some way to reliably gather it. Acid is the only thing that relies on RNG and outdated, boring, mindless grinding as a game design choice. And it's really weird why they did that when you realize it.
The reliable way is workshop defence.
Which is forced PVP and will turn a lot of people away from the game if they have do that just to get a basic resource.
Im at lone wolf wastes, enemies tend to drop acid pretty often in 6 - 7s , human enemies tend to drop weapon powder, but I do Agree, acid is used on way too many recipes, specially aluminium and tungsten, which is bad.
On the electricity thing, tbh I see it as pretty poor desing decision, its better to just have a single player hive, cause your house cant sustain the deviants, even with 2 of the best generators(that is just 60 power)
Game has a lot , and I mean A LOT of potential, its fun atm and can be improved, but as far as I see it ,the main problem is that it will die if it doesnt have any actual end game content, cause we`re getting to the last part, and if they plan to just do as diablo 4 did(each season you just start over) then I cant see this going forward much longer.
I agree about the end game for sure. This being closed beta we honestly have no idea what they might have planned for that and there's still plenty of time for them to get content ready for it. But like you said, if the game does release without anything for players to do at max level it's not going to go over well at all.
I'm actually ok with the electrical system if it does increase to 60. At least at 60 it does open up a few more options at your personal base. Having a limit like that makes us players actually have to think about what we want to prioritize. And it makes Hives more important for things we can't do at our own base. A limit of 40 is just a little too harsh though so I'm glad to hear that I was right about the increase from the large generators 😂.
As for the acid, I've been thinking about it and one way you could fix that would be to change Workshop defense from PvP content to PvE. There are already Frontier battles for PvP players to fight over, so make the Workshops group PvE content that players could work together to farm Acid 👍. That way we still have to work for it, but we have a reliable way to do so, and it would encourage people to cooperate more together. It could be like public events so that whenever someone starts it others can join and help and get rewards depending on how long they were there.
End game they need a drill that passively gathers ores, gas and probably acid at this point and have it run off the high quality gas
That's definitely an option! I think if we could just learn to craft it from the Memetics tree, say after the spider boss that would be awesome.
I disagree on forced grinding being bad game design, but I do agree that they probably have too many items attached to acid.
Players need to stay engaged in those combat areas beyond quests and digging through trash. Gathering is already easy in the game, so I'm not mad that you have to hunt things (especially for encouragement of player clashing for pvp servers) , but too many things are fighting for the same resource and that can be adjusted.
It's totally fine to disagree, at least you're trying to make an intelligent argument for it which is a breath of fresh air 🤣. I also disagree with you, but at least we can have a civilized conversation about it lol. If the combat is fun and engaging Dev's do not have to resort to tricks like forced grinding to get their players into those Strongholds and town areas. So far I enjoy the combat so I don't mind fighting. But if it starts to feel like a treadmill I will start to resent it. Just search the word Acid in the OH Discord and anyone can see that many others agree with me that it's starting to feel like that's the only thing we're doing towards endgame is just grinding acid.
One of the suggestions I've made to try and fix this is to take Workshop defense and turn it into group PVE content. It could even be a public event, one player could start it off using one of their permits and then others in the zone could teleport there to help. Of course, the player who spent the permit would get extra, but everyone else who showed up would also get acid and other rewards for how long they were there helping. That would bring more PVE players together and give them a way to reliably farm Acid, while also making them work for it and getting them engaged. Especially since PVP players already have the Frontier battles to fight over resources, PVE players need a way to get Acid too.
@@trandel_elent Interesting, but it doesn't sound like we really disagree. It may just be a difference in perception of what "enjoying the combat" means. It's seen as a grind when it's not enjoyable. The devs may just see it as a natural resource from enjoying the killing from the engaging combat.
That may not be the case, but grind is simply the chore to receive an item. If the grind is enjoyable, then is it still bad game design? So many things could be considered a "grind". Hopefully, there are still additions to the game that we haven't seen that can provide more opportunities. I have no idea why they have forced PVP content on a PVE server, and I think Workshop defense should work better as you put it.
@@LurnWell I agree. I think we are agreeing on more points than not as well. My main concern with Acid is just the current trend in its use. As you mentioned, we don't know what the progression looks like past its current point. As long as there aren't more items piled onto the acid list I think it'll work out. And don't get me wrong, I don't mind some grinding, it is a survival game after all lol. I just don't want to spend half the time playing just having to grind one resource is all.
i cant even make grenade launcher / rpg ammo cuz it cost so much to make
I mean rpgs are op so its fair to make it hard to get or make
Another issue I see are the crossbow bolts, which for 5 bolts you need a ton of materials. Also, I dont know why the crossbow does huge dmg to mobs instead of any pistol, rifle.... For sure the mats need rebalancing as well as many other things........
I'm okay with how the crossbow works overall. They totally do massive damage but with the downside that they are far slower to shoot and do require more pinpoint accuracy to use effectively. So there are pros and cons that even out. But I'm on the same page as you, the overall materials usage in the game does need a pass-over before it's released lol. I think the one thing a few people are totally missing about my video (and some are raging about 🤣), is again what I am seeing as the "trend" with Acid. From what I have been able to research, Acid is literally the only material of its kind that we start using right from the start and are still using it nonstop even at level 40+ and that is what worries me. It's that more and more items will keep on being added as players progress in the future that also require Acid to the point where that's going to be the only resource everyone is always grinding for just to play the game.
pretty sure there is alot of acid in Silo Phi as they are primarily monsters.
You can find monsters anywhere, the problem is that Acid isn't a guaranteed drop. You could kill a dozen monsters and only have 2 or 3 of them drop Acid 😅.
As the mob level increases they drop a higher amount of acid. I do one run on level 30 mobs and have close to 200
@@kasper2zero283 And just how long do your "runs" go for? I'm up in Chalk Peak and I am farming for like 30+ mins at a time and barely getting 30-60 Acid at times.
About 30-40 minutes.. go to holt town and do a lap around it.. I kill everything.. it's a waste of time to do the elevator in the bank tho so I skip that. It's big enough area for me to clear from south to north and everything respawns. So I make my way back south. Just did a quick clear and got like 120. I would use a crossbow as well it saves on ammo.
@@kasper2zero283 "I would use a crossbow as well it saves on ammo." And this is yet again a sign that something is wrong. When players avoid every other weapon in the game and only use 1 weapon so they can grind a resource just to make the ammo for the other weapons something isn't right. That's just a sign of bad and backward design as I am saying. I don't mind working for a resource, just give us players a viable option other than "Don't use guns and go spend almost an hour grinding mobs just so you can make enough ammo to use guns." Again, I think turning the Workshop defense into a group PVE event would be a much better option for many reasons. You still have to work at it but it's something that would be a guaranteed way to get Acid. It would also encourage players to group up and cooperate with each other to clear it and get their Acid. Make it a public event, the person who starts it gets extra since they are the ones who used the permit to start it, but other people can teleport in to help, and depending on how long they are there helping they get more rewards.
ran into this yesterday was a bit dissapointing just having to acid farm
Well, it is closed beta and the Dev's have already made tons of changes so hopefully they will figure out a better way to handle this too. Overall this is honestly the only negative video I've ever done about the game so I am hopeful that it will work out lol.
I wonder if they are setting players up to have to purchase in game currency to buy resources, or something of that nature. From the game play I've seen, this game looks rather mediocre and kind of all over the place. It doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Just doesn't appeal to me.
Well, this is NetEase we're talking about so sadly that wouldn't be a huge surprise. I could totally see them selling stacks of Acid for $0.99-1.99, especially since this is supposedly going to be a mobile game too 😐.
I spent some money on undawn and this took me no where in the game as i was playing since day one i bought the battlepass and i spent couple more on other items I hope they are talking truth about the free to play and they must listen to the negative opinions about the game I also assume that the weapons blueprints will be a thing in the future the more stars on your gun the more powerful you will be purple and gold and blue is a a thing that is must be like blueprint per full claim rewards must guaranteed from the boss fights this will make things easy like in warframe you get relics and you smash relics to get what blueprint you want in order to build a specific character I'm playing this game with cautious as I believe that there's nothing for free hope they make there game not pay to win and only sell cosmetics for real life money
If Path of Exile can survive and thrive for years and years only using cosmetics and being F2P this game can do. As long as the game is fun and engaging people will spend money on it and support it.
IIRC the "zombie"? are also drops acid
Not in reliable amounts. Especially when you get to the higher zones the loot tables for monsters start to have way more items than just Acid and it is very common at times to kill 10 or more and only get 2 or so that will drop it.
yah i make sens cuz acid can make lots of things
Yep, exactly. And when you look at it, Acid is also one of, if not the only resource that we have been using the whole game so far from start and are still using it even 30+ levels later. And that's what I'm afraid of. That the developers are just going to keep throwing in more items that need Acid as we keep leveling and progressing.
I feel with the fact players are probablly going to end up fighting over rare or valuable resources swapping acid out in some recipies could help with its repeated use and keep people from being murdered for having like 10 acid 😂
Lol there's definitely more than a few options to make this issue better. The easiest being to give players the means to craft acid, maybe after you beat the Spider boss you can learn it from the Memetics tree.
I wont be surprised if they will make acid available to buy through micro transaction, so its gonna be pay to win, thats how the games of this genre usually end up.
Not sure if I would go that far at the moment. But, things like that are unfortunately common and do happen too often. Again, Acid is basically the only resource of its kind so far in the game, which does warrant some worries along the lines you mentioned that it could be used as a cash grab when the game is released. I'm hopeful that won't be the case, but even if it's not abused that way it's still not in a great place and could end up being even worse as players progress if designed poorly.
This is netease.... omegalul. They failed to make naraka bladepoint good. They have tons of forced farming/forced pvp in lifeafter and dawn awakening. So this thing is pretty much intended. most likely there is gonna be an autoloot mechanic that is purchased where placing your base near enemies spawn is more convenient to use so base def will be more rewarding. And there will be shop/ battlepass that sells acid.. more than likely . That is why i have crossbow and my base is near a enemy spawn point. Starchrom farming on the other hand is whole level of sht. For all that work you get 30... gacha blueprints 1 10 pull is 5k starchrom. Thats alot of dungeon runs to get the cores. Higher cores produces more enemies someone said on discord.. so lol.. is starchrom worth the grind? Idk.
Yeah, Netease does not have a great reputation at all when it comes to BS like that for sure. If I'm correct and they turn the game into a grinding cashshop it will be sad but myself and many others will just move on. Thankfully I have tons of other games I enjoy to go play lol.
This is why it’s in beta is it not?
Exactly. I'm hoping they will figure out other options than what is currently in the game. But, you can't work on a issue if no one talks about it.
East junction rail at the resource station thing you can farm acid, 1 hour can prob yield 5-800 acid. pretty amazing
Requires Blackfell extraction permit
That's through forced PVP though. What about PVE players? If the Devs are going to give PVP players a way to farm Acid then there should be a way for PVE players to as well.
If you get the blackfell refinery permits, you can spend 5 mins to defend the refineries at strongholds that give 20,30, 40 acid each permit i've not really done all the strongholds until chalk hills (just enough for story) and i've found 4-5 permits from gear chests and they respawn every 30mis or so
And you're forgetting to mention the fact it puts you into PVP which is kinda BS in IMO. PVPers already have the Frontier battles to fight over resources. Workshops should be grp PVE content so that PVE players can work together to farm Acid.
i sent you a friend request in game name is sakura im also trying to join your hive. i also agree with the acid grinding finding myself having to go to the low lvl areas just to melee kill enemys for it
lol sorry about that! I always deny any random friend request when I don't know where it's coming from 😅. Message me and send me a request through Discord! You can find me in the Once Human Discord channel :)