Board Track racing was about the most dangerous and famous form of motorsports. It reminds me of chariot races in the Roman times or maybe even gladiators 😊 Great video
Hundred mph and I’m the hundred like thumbs up 🎉. I ride lightweight bicycles with gas motors it’s the most fun thing to do. I find that people nowadays are hung up too much with high prices and regulations to enjoy motorcycle fun these lightweight motorcycles I ride aren’t as fast as a 100 mph board track racer yet the feeling of going 40-50 on a bike is amazing and full of good feelings 😊
Right on! The feeling is universal and often first discovered on bikes as kids, engines, motors, or gravity, its all about being in the wind in the end… ride what you like and enjoy every second.
Can not imagine going down on a board track at 100mph in a wool sweater and pants. 😅 Wouldn’t it be amazing to go back in time? Love the Brand marketing, especially the X for Excelsior - also written as X-C-L-R ha they were 100 years ahead of viral social media 😅
It is all so very interesting and something I think it would take a time machine to ever truly experience again. As for the brands, that aspect alone would be worth taking in, imagine Harley and Indian competing with 2-3 dozen other American brands today.
Thank you so much on your Doc's about a lost sport that was huge and the biggest for gambling as well ! the California tracks had open betting just like horse racing ! this is always overlooked in your Doc's! very understandable as info would be hard to find as betting was Always on the HUSH !
Absolutely, I have always heard of the wagers, but very little ever made it to print. There is a great story from Atlanta about some side betting made at an outlaw race, it is in one of my articles on the website about Harry Glenn or the Black Streaks.
Regular gasoline back in 1912, which was in itself a young endeavor with poor quality though there was high octane available compared to today. It was also increasingly expensive with the surge in Model T ownership jumping 80% between 1911 and 1912, Standard Oil raised prices to a whopping 18 cents a gallon.
Another Fantastic film, but people were racing bikes outside of the USA and setting records, so perhaps this should be the first 100mph in the USA. Re the 136mph? A few period press accounts mention 136.3 mph calculated from a mile in 26.4 seconds (See Scientific American magazine February 9th, 1907, page 128). But caveat it by saying “is said to have” and that this speed was in an “official” run. The timing of runs at Ormonde in 1907 was done by a very error prone approach. Two people stood at the start and end of a “mile” section and raised or dropped their hands or flags as the bike went past. Another person watched this from perhaps 1 mile away with binoculars and operated a stopwatch. In an “unofficial” run, all the people involved tended to be friends of the rider and not very experienced at doing any of this and perhaps not that impartial. How the measured mile was measured in unofficial runs was also just up to the riders and its accuracy was open to question. The majority of the period press ignored the claimed 136mph as they were sceptical. If he had really gone that fast one way, why didn’t the publicity seeking Mr Curtiss fix the failure and run again another day. Factor in how much real HP an unfaired high drag motorcycle needs to top 136mph and none of this 136mph claim adds up. It is another 20+ years of engine development around the world and the late 1920’s before special factory-built race bikes really reach these speeds.
Thanks, I’m happy you enjoyed the video. The Curtiss record definitely comes with a significant asterisk beside it, and will probably wind up being a video in its own right. As for any international riders to break the century before Humiston, I haven’t come across any mention, but in fairness my focus is on the American side of the culture. I’m only aware of Davidson in Brooklands in 1921, followed shortly after by Brough the next year. I hope to eventually branch out my research into early international events to better my own understanding.
Curtiss' 136 mph V-8 "record" in 1907 is an Urban Myth. Guys who srudied the original reports found that the bike broke at Ormond Beach right off the line and never made speed. Later a story circulated that it made 136 mph elsewhere and that story later became conflated with events at Ormond. It's nothing more than a Curtiss publicity stunt hoax.
I’d love to know more, it definitely deserves a video of its own. If you have any info or can point me in the direction of some hit me up at chris@archivemoto.com
I just read the Vintagent article and they said this was not an officially timed run. Other articles do say Curtis was into self promotion. Just like the Traub motorcycle, this is indeed a story worth investigating. Cheers.
@@ArchiveMoto Three or four years ago there was a detailed article about it in "The Antique Motorcycle" magazine. I'll post the issue and date if I can find it. It was titled something like "The Fastest Man on Earth?" with a question mark. It traced the Cutiss 136 mph V-8 story through all the original accounts that the writer could find from when the events actually happened -- not what was said years later.
@@johnmartin7158 Yes, most everyone says it was unofficial. Thus no way to verify it. Very convenient. Did Vintagent say the supposed unofficial run happened at Ormond or somewhere else? From this video we see how hard it was getting 100 mph out of a motorcycle when it really did happen. Yet we're supposed to accept that Curtiss slapped a V-8 engine into a makeshift 1907 bicycle chassis and did 136 mph without any official proof that it did? Old motorcycle collectors I knew laughed about it years ago, but the motorcycle world at large seems to accept it as fact. The internet world definitely.
Great work as always. Awesome to hear the little details like how his fuel line clogged twice from tank solder. Really puts you in the moment.
Thanks so much Tom, I appreciate the kind words.
Clogged twice from tank solder - doh! 😅
Board Track racing was about the most dangerous and famous form of motorsports. It reminds me of chariot races in the Roman times or maybe even gladiators 😊 Great video
Well said, and thank you
Very well done. Even some of the documents from 1913 were so clear and well-printed!
Thanks so much, Im glad you enjoyed it
Hundred mph and I’m the hundred like thumbs up 🎉. I ride lightweight bicycles with gas motors it’s the most fun thing to do. I find that people nowadays are hung up too much with high prices and regulations to enjoy motorcycle fun these lightweight motorcycles I ride aren’t as fast as a 100 mph board track racer yet the feeling of going 40-50 on a bike is amazing and full of good feelings 😊
Right on! The feeling is universal and often first discovered on bikes as kids, engines, motors, or gravity, its all about being in the wind in the end… ride what you like and enjoy every second.
Real bikes. real men.🏁
Another fantastic 15 minutes! THANK YOU!
Thank you!
Great video. Great reporting. Thank you for the time you put into your videos.
Thanks @scooterbunmotorcyclediaries, I appreciate the kind words
Can not imagine going down on a board track at 100mph in a wool sweater and pants. 😅
Wouldn’t it be amazing to go back in time?
Love the Brand marketing, especially the X for Excelsior - also written as X-C-L-R ha they were 100 years ahead of viral social media 😅
It is all so very interesting and something I think it would take a time machine to ever truly experience again. As for the brands, that aspect alone would be worth taking in, imagine Harley and Indian competing with 2-3 dozen other American brands today.
Favorite commentary channel (It's Jakobi btw)
Good man, good man! Thanks for the support 👊🏻
Thank you so much on your Doc's about a lost sport that was huge and the biggest for gambling as well ! the California tracks had open betting just like horse racing ! this is always overlooked in your Doc's! very understandable as info would be hard to find as betting was Always on the HUSH !
Absolutely, I have always heard of the wagers, but very little ever made it to print. There is a great story from Atlanta about some side betting made at an outlaw race, it is in one of my articles on the website about Harry Glenn or the Black Streaks.
Betting on motorcycles like horses wow!!
Thanks for sharing,
Happy you enjoyed it
What were they using for fuel? Vincent Black Lightnings ran on Methanol.
Regular gasoline back in 1912, which was in itself a young endeavor with poor quality though there was high octane available compared to today. It was also increasingly expensive with the surge in Model T ownership jumping 80% between 1911 and 1912, Standard Oil raised prices to a whopping 18 cents a gallon.
You haven't posted a video in 4 months, please tell me you ain't done making videos yet
Thank you for keeping up with the channel, and I’ve got more coming very soon. Thanks again
Another Fantastic film, but people were racing bikes outside of the USA and setting records, so perhaps this should be the first 100mph in the USA. Re the 136mph? A few period press accounts mention 136.3 mph calculated from a mile in 26.4 seconds (See Scientific American magazine February 9th, 1907, page 128). But caveat it by saying “is said to have” and that this speed was in an “official” run. The timing of runs at Ormonde in 1907 was done by a very error prone approach. Two people stood at the start and end of a “mile” section and raised or dropped their hands or flags as the bike went past. Another person watched this from perhaps 1 mile away with binoculars and operated a stopwatch. In an “unofficial” run, all the people involved tended to be friends of the rider and not very experienced at doing any of this and perhaps not that impartial. How the measured mile was measured in unofficial runs was also just up to the riders and its accuracy was open to question. The majority of the period press ignored the claimed 136mph as they were sceptical. If he had really gone that fast one way, why didn’t the publicity seeking Mr Curtiss fix the failure and run again another day. Factor in how much real HP an unfaired high drag motorcycle needs to top 136mph and none of this 136mph claim adds up. It is another 20+ years of engine development around the world and the late 1920’s before special factory-built race bikes really reach these speeds.
Thanks, I’m happy you enjoyed the video. The Curtiss record definitely comes with a significant asterisk beside it, and will probably wind up being a video in its own right. As for any international riders to break the century before Humiston, I haven’t come across any mention, but in fairness my focus is on the American side of the culture. I’m only aware of Davidson in Brooklands in 1921, followed shortly after by Brough the next year. I hope to eventually branch out my research into early international events to better my own understanding.
Curtiss' 136 mph V-8 "record" in 1907 is an Urban Myth. Guys who srudied the original reports found that the bike broke at Ormond Beach right off the line and never made speed. Later a story circulated that it made 136 mph elsewhere and that story later became conflated with events at Ormond. It's nothing more than a Curtiss publicity stunt hoax.
I’d love to know more, it definitely deserves a video of its own. If you have any info or can point me in the direction of some hit me up at chris@archivemoto.com
I just read the Vintagent article and they said this was not an officially timed run. Other articles do say Curtis was into self promotion. Just like the Traub motorcycle, this is indeed a story worth investigating.
Cheers.
@@ArchiveMoto Three or four years ago there was a detailed article about it in "The Antique Motorcycle" magazine. I'll post the issue and date if I can find it. It was titled something like "The Fastest Man on Earth?" with a question mark. It traced the Cutiss 136 mph V-8 story through all the original accounts that the writer could find from when the events actually happened -- not what was said years later.
@@johnmartin7158 Yes, most everyone says it was unofficial. Thus no way to verify it. Very convenient. Did Vintagent say the supposed unofficial run happened at Ormond or somewhere else?
From this video we see how hard it was getting 100 mph out of a motorcycle when it really did happen. Yet we're supposed to accept that Curtiss slapped a V-8 engine into a makeshift 1907 bicycle chassis and did 136 mph without any official proof that it did? Old motorcycle collectors I knew laughed about it years ago, but the motorcycle world at large seems to accept it as fact. The internet world definitely.
"The Antique Motorcycle" is the official publication of The Antique Motorcycle Club of America, (AMCA)
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