Ah, the speed of reverse engineering by humans. They didn't study our history. Our fastest technological development has always been during war time, and our greatest leaps tend to happen after we reverse engineer the enemy's tech and apply our own ideas on top of it. Once the first battle was over and enemy tech retrieved, the technological advantage was almost certain to swing the human direction. And humanitarian treatment? After interrogating the prisoners, and knowing what the likely noticed before the war, yeah that in and of itself became a weapon. We have entire libraries dedicated to the psychological aspect of war. Made me almost feel sorry for the elders. Almost.
Its also utter fecking garbage. There is literal historical precedent for that statement. Ever hear of the Tupolev Tu-4? Its a literal reverse engineered B-29. The Soviets took a B-29, and reverse engineered the thing, and the Tu-4 had more reliability issues than the original B-29! Which is saying something as the B-29 was utterly stuffed with them in the early years. Now this is with a contemporary aircraft, that was built using technology that the Soviet Scientists and Engineers were familiar with. There was no really new tech in there, nothing that was using principles they did not understand or had not yet discovered. Yet in every way the Tu-4 was worse than the aircraft they had reverse engineered it from. And you are trying to tell me we would be able to reverse engineer tech based on concepts that for us might only be mathematical? Sorry but no. Every engineer worth their actual salt shakes their head in dismay every time Hollywood or some clueless Sci Fi Author throws in the words 'reverse engineered', because unlike Hollywood writers and fiction authors they actually UNDERSTAND how difficult in reality that would actually be.... In the end the Soviets would have been better off just designing their own aircraft.... Indeed thats what they ended up actually doing. The Tu-4 was that bad.
@@alganhar1 Ah but you're missing a critical fact. It's a fact of necessity when storytelling. That fact is the storyteller doesn't dare going into accurate details on such matters, as it detracts from the story. It's why history is full of storytellers and authors who flinch in almost physical pain when people who are obsessive/compulsive about realism proverbially stick their finger in the pie, as those people are making the tale worse, not better. Remember, it's science fiction - not science fact. For science fact one should read published journals or technical manuals.
@@alganhar1 Yes, communism is that bad. I know about the TU 47. When Stalin gives an order to make it exactly the same as B59 (an already obsolete plane), anyone who even thinks of improvement will not do so. The correct process is to understand the reason and design something better. Like learning from the National Zocialists to sweep back the wings of jets but in many other ways improve the design. Hade that been learned earlier, the P32 "lightning" would not have stalled during power dives, even though it was prop. Before starting 1st grade my parents explained I had to hide my intelligence else the Govt would forcibly take me away to boarding school as they had done my cousin Pablo. So until 4th grade before we legally left Cuba I was in terror of being found out. Zocialism, either National or international stifles creativity as does tyranny in general. Have a great day though.
@@scottl369 My problem is NOT so much with it being used in a story, as a way to progress a story, or explain why humanity has something considered impossible. My problem is with the idiots who think its as easy as that in real life and make public comments to that end. Such as the OP in this case. THATS what I dislike. Hell I love the Warhammer 40K verse, for all its utter disregard for logic and reality. I DESPISE the 'fans' who seem to think that it is in any way real however. You are right that its often best to keep reality out of a story, especially a good story. But its equally true that its best to keep fiction out of reality....
Humanity... warfare is the thing we do best. We'd prefer peace and prosperity to be our first option, though, if we have to, we're more than happy to show you what thousands of years of warfare experience looks like. Remember: The Geneva Conventions only apply to empires who signed it. So far, 100% of those Empires are HUMAN empires. Do with this information what you will.
There exist only 7 plots in fiction, every story follows one of their premesis. Sometimes you mess with the order, sometimes you mess with the direction, yet still there remains only that small list. The Greeks explained it at length and it still holds true today.
Wouldnt Humans be stronger than most species because of Earths higher gravity in relation to most other habital planets where space travel is still possible?
That is conjecture based on a few assumptions that may or may not be true. Specifically that a significantly higher gravity would make getting into orbit so difficult that a species developing on that planet would not develop rocketry. We have no idea what kind of fuels or metals they would have access to although presumably what they had available would be something on the same order of capability as what we have. It is unlikely that they would have any kind of "super fuel" or "super alloys" that were significantly better than what we have availible (they would be the product of the same type of chemistry and physics as ours are.) It is altogether possible that they are better engineers than we are or simply more determined to get into space and would dedicate more resources to making it happen. What I'm saying is that there is no hard cap on the gravity of a planet that could potentially produce a space faring species. It may even be that the lighter gravity planets lack the heaver metals that allow a people to refine their metallurgic abilities so the only species that ever make it too space are Earth gravity and higher. We would be space Melvins, all the other xenos would be going around stealing our lunch money and kicking sand in our faces.
@@Snipergoat1 There absolutely IS a hard cap on how high gravity can be before you just cannot get off world. While super alloys may exist, as high gravity would help it form. They wouldn't be too extreme over what we have now. Fuel on the other hand would benefit more from LESS gravity. It would allow stronger more excitable reactions in chemicals.
Author here, happy to see that one of my works managed to be good enough to be narrated here. Hope you all enjoyed it!
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This is brilliant thank you for writing it please don't stop
That I did.
Excellent work! We look forward to many more stories!
Thank you for the story
Ah, the speed of reverse engineering by humans. They didn't study our history. Our fastest technological development has always been during war time, and our greatest leaps tend to happen after we reverse engineer the enemy's tech and apply our own ideas on top of it. Once the first battle was over and enemy tech retrieved, the technological advantage was almost certain to swing the human direction. And humanitarian treatment? After interrogating the prisoners, and knowing what the likely noticed before the war, yeah that in and of itself became a weapon. We have entire libraries dedicated to the psychological aspect of war. Made me almost feel sorry for the elders. Almost.
Operation paperclip got us to the moon.
Its also utter fecking garbage. There is literal historical precedent for that statement.
Ever hear of the Tupolev Tu-4? Its a literal reverse engineered B-29. The Soviets took a B-29, and reverse engineered the thing, and the Tu-4 had more reliability issues than the original B-29! Which is saying something as the B-29 was utterly stuffed with them in the early years.
Now this is with a contemporary aircraft, that was built using technology that the Soviet Scientists and Engineers were familiar with. There was no really new tech in there, nothing that was using principles they did not understand or had not yet discovered.
Yet in every way the Tu-4 was worse than the aircraft they had reverse engineered it from.
And you are trying to tell me we would be able to reverse engineer tech based on concepts that for us might only be mathematical?
Sorry but no. Every engineer worth their actual salt shakes their head in dismay every time Hollywood or some clueless Sci Fi Author throws in the words 'reverse engineered', because unlike Hollywood writers and fiction authors they actually UNDERSTAND how difficult in reality that would actually be....
In the end the Soviets would have been better off just designing their own aircraft.... Indeed thats what they ended up actually doing. The Tu-4 was that bad.
@@alganhar1 Ah but you're missing a critical fact. It's a fact of necessity when storytelling. That fact is the storyteller doesn't dare going into accurate details on such matters, as it detracts from the story. It's why history is full of storytellers and authors who flinch in almost physical pain when people who are obsessive/compulsive about realism proverbially stick their finger in the pie, as those people are making the tale worse, not better. Remember, it's science fiction - not science fact. For science fact one should read published journals or technical manuals.
@@alganhar1 Yes, communism is that bad. I know about the TU 47. When Stalin gives an order to make it exactly the same as B59 (an already obsolete plane), anyone who even thinks of improvement will not do so. The correct process is to understand the reason and design something better. Like learning from the National Zocialists to sweep back the wings of jets but in many other ways improve the design. Hade that been learned earlier, the P32 "lightning" would not have stalled during power dives, even though it was prop. Before starting 1st grade my parents explained I had to hide my intelligence else the Govt would forcibly take me away to boarding school as they had done my cousin Pablo. So until 4th grade before we legally left Cuba I was in terror of being found out. Zocialism, either National or international stifles creativity as does tyranny in general. Have a great day though.
@@scottl369 My problem is NOT so much with it being used in a story, as a way to progress a story, or explain why humanity has something considered impossible.
My problem is with the idiots who think its as easy as that in real life and make public comments to that end. Such as the OP in this case.
THATS what I dislike. Hell I love the Warhammer 40K verse, for all its utter disregard for logic and reality. I DESPISE the 'fans' who seem to think that it is in any way real however.
You are right that its often best to keep reality out of a story, especially a good story. But its equally true that its best to keep fiction out of reality....
Humans: War? No. We shall tech you the ways of WAAAAAAAAAGH!
Enjoyed the story and narration very much. Thanks!
Ah, Humans ... the wildcards of the galaxy.
Thanks for the story, Narrator!
Nice story, great narration thank you, for the algorithm!
Elder races? Tyrannical confederacy? Let us introduce you to one of our legends, Che Guevara.
Heard of, yes. Respect...nope. He was an idiot.
I love to hear you say, three trees are free without saying free frwees are frwee .,
That human returning to Earth with the war declarations- "Looks like war is back on the menu, boys!"
looks like WAAAGH is back on the menu, bois!
Sic semper evello mortem tyrannis
The Grien fight for the wrong reason. Safety and stability should be byproducts of liberty and blind justice. Thats what a person should fight for.
Humanity... warfare is the thing we do best. We'd prefer peace and prosperity to be our first option, though, if we have to, we're more than happy to show you what thousands of years of warfare experience looks like. Remember:
The Geneva Conventions only apply to empires who signed it. So far, 100% of those Empires are HUMAN empires. Do with this information what you will.
I'm pretty sure that I heard this before, the story that is.
To many stories have similar plot points.
There exist only 7 plots in fiction, every story follows one of their premesis. Sometimes you mess with the order, sometimes you mess with the direction, yet still there remains only that small list. The Greeks explained it at length and it still holds true today.
Yay.
Noice
Wouldnt Humans be stronger than most species because of Earths higher gravity in relation to most other habital planets where space travel is still possible?
That is conjecture based on a few assumptions that may or may not be true. Specifically that a significantly higher gravity would make getting into orbit so difficult that a species developing on that planet would not develop rocketry. We have no idea what kind of fuels or metals they would have access to although presumably what they had available would be something on the same order of capability as what we have. It is unlikely that they would have any kind of "super fuel" or "super alloys" that were significantly better than what we have availible (they would be the product of the same type of chemistry and physics as ours are.) It is altogether possible that they are better engineers than we are or simply more determined to get into space and would dedicate more resources to making it happen. What I'm saying is that there is no hard cap on the gravity of a planet that could potentially produce a space faring species. It may even be that the lighter gravity planets lack the heaver metals that allow a people to refine their metallurgic abilities so the only species that ever make it too space are Earth gravity and higher. We would be space Melvins, all the other xenos would be going around stealing our lunch money and kicking sand in our faces.
@@Snipergoat1 idk about that lots of scientists say that there IS a hard cap on it.
It did say that humans had an extremely high endurance.
@@Snipergoat1 There absolutely IS a hard cap on how high gravity can be before you just cannot get off world. While super alloys may exist, as high gravity would help it form. They wouldn't be too extreme over what we have now. Fuel on the other hand would benefit more from LESS gravity. It would allow stronger more excitable reactions in chemicals.