Wow, the Rother show sounded incredible and indeed as close as you could come to seeing the real thing. If the tour hits the US I will be looking to hit that for sure. Great run of records here Fred. Glad to have L'universe Solitude myself and yes it navigates a special world between jazz, avant-garde and modern classical. I added a few to my w/l, especially the Louiss / Capon / Humain but I'm taking a buying break for a while so will seek that out another time. Lovely stuff
Great to here your recent Neu experience. Their first album is incredible. I bought a 2014 repress of Tago Mago yesterday which I was dubious of, but the pressing is excellent. Going down a huge Jaki Leibezeit rabbit hole. As always, incredible selection of records, always has me darting off to UA-cam after watching you videos.
Jaki Liebezeit is worthy of a rabbit hole style dive. I would highly recommend his album with Jah Wobble and Holger Czukay- Full Circle, esp. the track How Much Are They? A masterpiece IMHO. Thanks for stopping by!
Dean saw Michael Rother too. Sent me a clip over Messenger. Looked amazing. If he ever comes back to the States, I highly doubt he’d play anywhere near me.
I have to check out that Oldfield record. The Ornette record is definitely one of my favorites from his later period. And oh my, that Neu show looked great, would have loved to be in that audience myself. Thank you for the upload, as usual lots of stuff to check out :)
Hey Fred, Good to catch up. So much as always.....That Gary Burton would be in my 'Gimme 25' of ECMs if one were to make one. 🙂Oh yes, 'Incantations'...I remember buying the CD in Flagstaff, AZ and listening to it coming down the mountain through fog and low-hanging clouds...unforgettable! Especially interested in that Vangelis-like piece. Thanks as always. -Carm
Record collecting questions: as someone new to record collecting would be interesting to hear about; - How you've set up your sound system for best sound / stylus, amp etc (unless its some ridiculous 20k set up lol) - Finances; how do you keep things from spiralling out of control, while having a constantly growing record collection, especially since in Australia it appears the average price for new record is now $70 when only a few years ago it was $40-$50.
With classical you can't really go wrong as it is plentiful and cheap so people who are interested have plenty too explore and can pick up. Love the mariano a classic don't have the karolak but know it well like you said very groovy and jazzy alot of that eastern bloc stuff just have a unique but familiar feel I just enjoy alot. That capon has been on my wl forever..lol..I have found several copies of his lp with christian escode here funny enough also an excellent lp. I know you like the double bass stuff I do too and have some interesting ones in my collection will have to go through and revisit some of them. That is my favorite ornette lp personally.. Agree with brackeen 💯. The carvin is cheap 🔥 classic or it was have not looked it up in awhile..😂. Neu what more can you say there 💖. That music was so forward sounding it sounds like a contemporary band. Look forward to your personal thoughts on collecting brother. Much love chris.
Thanks Chris for the ever so thoughtful comment, as per usual. The Carvin was NOT cheap, but I'm happy to have it. The Capon is a certainly a trip. Beautiful music. Would like to hear some more of his solo offerings, but he appears on so many French recordings.
The Rita Marie album is a real gem in my eyes. I agree with you in that it is not an easy album to compartmentalize. Definite Brazilian folk elements in there but takes so many diversions making it a disorientating yet cohesive listen. Have to admit I'm a little bit green with envy that you saw Michael Rother as I would just love to see him live.
Hey, Fred. Thanks for the valuable exposure and recommendations. I listened to everything and agree with you about Joanne Brackeen. I almost picked up "Aft" but the last track fell short for me (whole step Maj 7 progressions did not keep up with the rest of the excellent compositions). That recording in particular is has an impressive groove with no drummer. Being underrated may have something to do with not having a top producer available to showcase her prodigious talent. Well, she's not done yet so I'm hoping for a new release.
Even though I am far from wealthy (but working on it) the mystique of vinyl and high end audio makes the impression that it's mainly for the elite. Half-million dollar systems, rooms full of stuffed shelves, it just screams "excess". However, for people like me who have a heavily curated, relatively modest collection - maybe 100 vinyls, 250 CDs - and a carefully selected reproduction system - Sonos (wireless) with homemade adapters, reasonably nice cartridge and low-midrange turntable and CD player used as a transport - I consider owning my music on physical media important for cultural education and contemplation, plus bestowing healing properties on the home listener. I have a wonderful, long decorated room for listening where the rough edges and artifacts of the audio system are absorbed and smoothed out. I'm content. I am wondering if we should start a service to donate vinyl or other media and possibly equipment as a social service, for the benefits I described. Has that ever been proposed?
I'm not sure it has ever been proposed but to be honest it would hardly classify as a real need if we talk basic human resources. We're just fortunate to be able to spin records,Most people in need are just trying to get by and I don't think putting a record on a turntable figures in their day to day. I might be wrong.
Fred, one of my most cherished piano trios is Kagel's ''Trio in drei Satzen'' written in 1985. As with any Kagel piece, ''things are not what they seem''. In Sanskrit, ''Gyan'' means ''knowledge''. Nice that you saw both Rother and Gyan Riley in a live setting. Arooj Aftab is a new name for me, gotta check her out. I've been re-visiting my deluxe version of ''Hergest Ridge'', another classic from Mike Oldfield. One of my favorite double- bass players was the late, Peter Kowald from Germany. I saw him perform live twice. He could perform solo sets or jam with people from all- over the world.
Great stuff Fred. As usual, nearly all of those records are out of my wheelhouse, which makes for a great watch (for me). As far as a video you might do about your collecting habits, if I recall correctly you don't move on from records you bring home. If this is the case, do you have a limited amount of space you give to your records? You seem like a very thoughtful person, so it'd be interesting to hear if you have any thoughts on your own record collecting habits and your impact on the environment. As individuals, of course, we are grains of sand on the beach of environmental impact, but does this ever play into your thought process? Does the production of more plastic products give you pause? For me, I do try to limit record and CD purchases to mostly used items rather than encouraging the constant manufacture of new items. Of course, I acknowledge that the effect I personally am having on the environment in this case is next to nil, so I don't know why I focus on this, but as a record collector I'm already a weirdo. /ramble off Cheers! Tom
We're all weirdos indeed. Collecting is such a time consuming, expensive and difficult hobby, but so very rewarding in many ways. I hope to answer your very pertinent questions in an upcoming video. Cheers!
Great Fred🌟I like the idea of doing an item on music album collecting. Hobby or obsession? As a music collector since the end of the 1990s with peaks and troughs in cd collecting over the years (post-punk, punk, indie rock/pop, avant garde, some classical and of late more prog and krautrock) I am feeling that I have entered the obsessive stage. A point of no return or limit. That is, just when I decide enough is enough or I should enjoy what I have, new music pops up or doors to new music open. It’s crazy. And I am running out of space….. So what are we doing to ourselves as music collectors? When I had a smaller collection I listened to albums and certain artists much more than I do these day. The music of the ole days is more memorable than that of my current big collection. And album collecting takes a chunk out of life when there is so much more to do, like enjoying the outdoors and traveling. Hence, as a First World challenge, should we set limits to how much we collect or take a more critical approach to what we collect? Also reducing the risk that too many albums dilute the truly great stuff. Isn’t less more? As a cd collector I have also become fascinated by the phenomenon of vinyl collecting (first pressings, labels, sound quality etc). Not so much of an issue for cd album collectors, who appear to have most appreciation of the music instead of the form; whilst vinyl album art is to be appreciated. Would love to hear your thoughts on this, knowing that you appreciate both formats. Strangely, I don’t no of a cd community next to a VC one, or should we have a music appreciation community😉😆 Hi MAC🌟 Cheers🌟
Thanks for these observations, I have noted down your very perceptive questions. I hope I do them justice in the video. You hit the nail on the head with the 'hobby or obsession' question.
Nice presentation again Fred. I really like the Mason album and the Mantler albums. I like that Mason did something quite different than Floyd. I really like Rother and Neu! I have all of the Neu! albums. Seeland is one of my favorite Neu! pieces. I am currently living in the Copenhagen area and about 2 years ago, or so, Rother performed here and I missed it. I heard about it after the fact. I was a bit gutted. Anyway, I hope Rother plays in Denmark again. Cheers!
Salut again Fred! So much good stuff! I still have to pick up the Arooj Aftab from a couple years back and I heard she recently released an album with Vijay Iyer -- that must be something. How can one go wrong with MPS or ECM? And then I'll leave you with one question: what are your sources for discovering new music? My primary one is right in front of me ;-)
Filing records can be a tricky proposition, esp. jazz. Mariano is American dating back to the bop era, although he did move to Europe & play with both Embryo & Supersister.
Thanks for the video, have you heard Brendels Schubert series of Sonatas? Your collection is large, what questions do you ask yourself about it? Are your choices of what you purchase based mostly randomly, by research? In other words how have you gotten turned on to music over the years? Sorry hard to format pertinent questions in a comment section, ha! Hopefully you get what I mean , thanks!
@@bigstar1000 congratulations to the Camplone family. Yes, kids changed things for me as well and made me question whether I should continue in the hobby. Ive stuck with it, but who knows what happens in the future. Is he selling on eBay, or just locally?
As a fenchman installed abroad, what's the main difference between Australia and France record-wise? Australia is far remote, how much imports cost instore? With a huge collection and the needed space that goes with it, do you sell one to buy one or do you keep everything just in case you plan on switching taste about a particular band or record?
@@bigstar1000 de rien ! Je voulais te remercier pout le Burton. J'ai écouté ce disque en streaming depiis que tu l'as présenté et en passant dans un de mes disquaires local, je l'ai trouvé à pas cher. Coïncidence parfaite comme je les aime.
hi fred looking forward to your record collecting vid. im curious when visiting a record store with limited time, how do you go about borrowsing bins? do you start with your fave genre or do you start in new arrivals? in case there are multiple versions/pressings of the title you looking for, how do you go about in choosing the one you’d take home?
Qs: What's your collection philosophy? What system do you use for playback? Do you clean your records? Do you keep a filing system on a computer or in a book, Discogs? How do you sort your records - since you have quite a few, I would guess you'd need some kind of system? Cheers!
Hi, I agree, what is the philosophy of a collection is an interesting question that has many implications including lateral issues such as "do you prefer first pressings to reissues and why" or "how much are you willing to spend on vinyl". Other questions, “Does it make sense to be a completionist?” (I hope this is how it is said in English: someone who wants everything from a specific artist, in italian 'completista'); “Do you play all the vinyl you buy?”; "Does it make sense to be obsessed with the condition of the vinyl and the cover?". Finally, what will happen to my collection is a question I often think about and I still don't have an answer. Ciao!@@bigstar1000
Great selections as usual Fred.
Both gigs looked unreal. Will keep my eye out for them
Thanks man, appreciate!
Thanks for introducing me to Arooj Aftab. What a discovery.
Listen to Vulture Prince, it's sublime.
Wow, the Rother show sounded incredible and indeed as close as you could come to seeing the real thing. If the tour hits the US I will be looking to hit that for sure. Great run of records here Fred. Glad to have L'universe Solitude myself and yes it navigates a special world between jazz, avant-garde and modern classical. I added a few to my w/l, especially the Louiss / Capon / Humain but I'm taking a buying break for a while so will seek that out another time. Lovely stuff
Yes I hear you on the buying break. Wise move, enjpy your already KILLER shelves, Dom. Be well my friend!
Great to here your recent Neu experience. Their first album is incredible. I bought a 2014 repress of Tago Mago yesterday which I was dubious of, but the pressing is excellent. Going down a huge Jaki Leibezeit rabbit hole. As always, incredible selection of records, always has me darting off to UA-cam after watching you videos.
Jaki Liebezeit is worthy of a rabbit hole style dive. I would highly recommend his album with Jah Wobble and Holger Czukay- Full Circle, esp. the track How Much Are They? A masterpiece IMHO. Thanks for stopping by!
Dean saw Michael Rother too. Sent me a clip over Messenger. Looked amazing. If he ever comes back to the States, I highly doubt he’d play anywhere near me.
He was unbelievable indeed. I can understand how your geographical location may be a problem.
I have to check out that Oldfield record. The Ornette record is definitely one of my favorites from his later period. And oh my, that Neu show looked great, would have loved to be in that audience myself. Thank you for the upload, as usual lots of stuff to check out :)
You're welcome, I would warmly recommend the Oldfield LP, it's probably cheap where you are.
Hey Fred, Good to catch up. So much as always.....That Gary Burton would be in my 'Gimme 25' of ECMs if one were to make one. 🙂Oh yes, 'Incantations'...I remember buying the CD in Flagstaff, AZ and listening to it coming down the mountain through fog and low-hanging clouds...unforgettable! Especially interested in that Vangelis-like piece. Thanks as always. -Carm
Hey Carm, thanks for stopping by brother! That KJ is indeed special and tremendous. I can see you have a deep personal connection to it.
Record collecting questions:
as someone new to record collecting would be interesting to hear about;
- How you've set up your sound system for best sound / stylus, amp etc (unless its some ridiculous 20k set up lol)
- Finances; how do you keep things from spiralling out of control, while having a constantly growing record collection, especially since in Australia it appears the average price for new record is now $70 when only a few years ago it was $40-$50.
Thanks for the questions, I appreciate! Are you in OZ too?
@@bigstar1000 yes in Adelaide
With classical you can't really go wrong as it is plentiful and cheap so people who are interested have plenty too explore and can pick up.
Love the mariano a classic don't have the karolak but know it well like you said very groovy and jazzy alot of that eastern bloc stuff just have a unique but familiar feel I just enjoy alot.
That capon has been on my wl forever..lol..I have found several copies of his lp with christian escode here funny enough also an excellent lp.
I know you like the double bass stuff I do too and have some interesting ones in my collection will have to go through and revisit some of them.
That is my favorite ornette lp personally..
Agree with brackeen 💯.
The carvin is cheap 🔥 classic or it was have not looked it up in awhile..😂.
Neu what more can you say there 💖.
That music was so forward sounding it sounds like a contemporary band.
Look forward to your personal thoughts on collecting brother.
Much love chris.
Thanks Chris for the ever so thoughtful comment, as per usual. The Carvin was NOT cheap, but I'm happy to have it. The Capon is a certainly a trip. Beautiful music. Would like to hear some more of his solo offerings, but he appears on so many French recordings.
The Rita Marie album is a real gem in my eyes. I agree with you in that it is not an easy album to compartmentalize. Definite Brazilian folk elements in there but takes so many diversions making it a disorientating yet cohesive listen. Have to admit I'm a little bit green with envy that you saw Michael Rother as I would just love to see him live.
Yes, hard to define Maria Rita, but amazing sounds all the same. Michael Rother was incredible indeed.
Hey, Fred. Thanks for the valuable exposure and recommendations. I listened to everything and agree with you about Joanne Brackeen. I almost picked up "Aft" but the last track fell short for me (whole step Maj 7 progressions did not keep up with the rest of the excellent compositions). That recording in particular is has an impressive groove with no drummer. Being underrated may have something to do with not having a top producer available to showcase her prodigious talent. Well, she's not done yet so I'm hoping for a new release.
I don't know AFT but I see it's got Ryo Kawasaki on guitar, which makes it intriguing. Thanks for stopping by!
Even though I am far from wealthy (but working on it) the mystique of vinyl and high end audio makes the impression that it's mainly for the elite. Half-million dollar systems, rooms full of stuffed shelves, it just screams "excess". However, for people like me who have a heavily curated, relatively modest collection - maybe 100 vinyls, 250 CDs - and a carefully selected reproduction system - Sonos (wireless) with homemade adapters, reasonably nice cartridge and low-midrange turntable and CD player used as a transport - I consider owning my music on physical media important for cultural education and contemplation, plus bestowing healing properties on the home listener. I have a wonderful, long decorated room for listening where the rough edges and artifacts of the audio system are absorbed and smoothed out. I'm content. I am wondering if we should start a service to donate vinyl or other media and possibly equipment as a social service, for the benefits I described. Has that ever been proposed?
I'm not sure it has ever been proposed but to be honest it would hardly classify as a real need if we talk basic human resources. We're just fortunate to be able to spin records,Most people in need are just trying to get by and I don't think putting a record on a turntable figures in their day to day. I might be wrong.
@@bigstar1000you might be right
Hello Fred, nice Sunday morning watch
I'm glad I'm part of that routine !
Fred, one of my most cherished piano trios is Kagel's ''Trio in drei Satzen'' written in 1985. As with any Kagel piece, ''things are not what they seem''. In Sanskrit, ''Gyan'' means ''knowledge''. Nice that you saw both Rother and Gyan Riley in a live setting. Arooj Aftab is a new name for me, gotta check her out. I've been re-visiting my deluxe version of ''Hergest Ridge'', another classic from Mike Oldfield. One of my favorite double- bass players was the late, Peter Kowald from Germany. I saw him perform live twice. He could perform solo sets or jam with people from all- over the world.
Peter Kowald is a new name for me, I shall have a dig and listen
Great stuff Fred. As usual, nearly all of those records are out of my wheelhouse, which makes for a great watch (for me).
As far as a video you might do about your collecting habits, if I recall correctly you don't move on from records you bring home. If this is the case, do you have a limited amount of space you give to your records?
You seem like a very thoughtful person, so it'd be interesting to hear if you have any thoughts on your own record collecting habits and your impact on the environment. As individuals, of course, we are grains of sand on the beach of environmental impact, but does this ever play into your thought process? Does the production of more plastic products give you pause? For me, I do try to limit record and CD purchases to mostly used items rather than encouraging the constant manufacture of new items. Of course, I acknowledge that the effect I personally am having on the environment in this case is next to nil, so I don't know why I focus on this, but as a record collector I'm already a weirdo.
/ramble off
Cheers! Tom
We're all weirdos indeed. Collecting is such a time consuming, expensive and difficult hobby, but so very rewarding in many ways. I hope to answer your very pertinent questions in an upcoming video. Cheers!
Great Fred🌟I like the idea of doing an item on music album collecting. Hobby or obsession? As a music collector since the end of the 1990s with peaks and troughs in cd collecting over the years (post-punk, punk, indie rock/pop, avant garde, some classical and of late more prog and krautrock) I am feeling that I have entered the obsessive stage. A point of no return or limit. That is, just when I decide enough is enough or I should enjoy what I have, new music pops up or doors to new music open. It’s crazy. And I am running out of space…..
So what are we doing to ourselves as music collectors? When I had a smaller collection I listened to albums and certain artists much more than I do these day. The music of the ole days is more memorable than that of my current big collection. And album collecting takes a chunk out of life when there is so much more to do, like enjoying the outdoors and traveling.
Hence, as a First World challenge, should we set limits to how much we collect or take a more critical approach to what we collect? Also reducing the risk that too many albums dilute the truly great stuff. Isn’t less more?
As a cd collector I have also become fascinated by the phenomenon of vinyl collecting (first pressings, labels, sound quality etc). Not so much of an issue for cd album collectors, who appear to have most appreciation of the music instead of the form; whilst vinyl album art is to be appreciated. Would love to hear your thoughts on this, knowing that you appreciate both formats. Strangely, I don’t no of a cd community next to a VC one, or should we have a music appreciation community😉😆 Hi MAC🌟
Cheers🌟
Thanks for these observations, I have noted down your very perceptive questions. I hope I do them justice in the video. You hit the nail on the head with the 'hobby or obsession' question.
Merci or thanks mate. Hope it will help for a great discourse and I look forward to that item. Cheers🎶
Nice presentation again Fred. I really like the Mason album and the Mantler albums. I like that Mason did something quite different than Floyd. I really like Rother and Neu! I have all of the Neu! albums. Seeland is one of my favorite Neu! pieces. I am currently living in the Copenhagen area and about 2 years ago, or so, Rother performed here and I missed it. I heard about it after the fact. I was a bit gutted. Anyway, I hope Rother plays in Denmark again. Cheers!
Hopefully he comes back again. He's amazing on stage. So glad I went.
Salut again Fred! So much good stuff! I still have to pick up the Arooj Aftab from a couple years back and I heard she recently released an album with Vijay Iyer -- that must be something. How can one go wrong with MPS or ECM? And then I'll leave you with one question: what are your sources for discovering new music? My primary one is right in front of me ;-)
Both her solo album and the Vijay Iver are great. My sources for music...oh so many!
I like the Mike Oldfield particularly I think the side you mentioned.
Results went out way and we are top 😊 ages to go still but psychologically good.
We are top indeed, now we need to keep our nerves steady...
Filing records can be a tricky proposition, esp. jazz. Mariano is American dating back to the bop era, although he did move to Europe & play with both Embryo & Supersister.
Yes Mariano is from the US, but the whole band is Euro, released on MPS, so it lives in my Euro Jazz section.
great VC segment.
Anything you liked in particular (I mean record-wise)?
Thanks for the video, have you heard Brendels Schubert series of Sonatas? Your collection is large, what questions do you ask yourself about it? Are your choices of what you purchase based mostly randomly, by research? In other words how have you gotten turned on to music over the years? Sorry hard to format pertinent questions in a comment section, ha! Hopefully you get what I mean , thanks!
I have not heard the Brendels version, but you discover new things everyday. I have written down your questions, thanks for contributing!
Incantations is my favourite Mike Oldfield and probably the last one from him that I like
Yes it is a wonderful effort, and one I place higher than his most famous offerings.
Camplone selling his collection? Has he lost his mind?😂
No, he's got young twins and has realised that he can't play his records. He's using the cash for his kids. I respect that.
@@bigstar1000 congratulations to the Camplone family. Yes, kids changed things for me as well and made me question whether I should continue in the hobby. Ive stuck with it, but who knows what happens in the future. Is he selling on eBay, or just locally?
@@danijelsan81 discogs- search for Campo007 on Google and it should come up
As a fenchman installed abroad, what's the main difference between Australia and France record-wise?
Australia is far remote, how much imports cost instore?
With a huge collection and the needed space that goes with it, do you sell one to buy one or do you keep everything just in case you plan on switching taste about a particular band or record?
Thanks for those questions, I have written them down for the record collecting video.
@@bigstar1000 de rien ! Je voulais te remercier pout le Burton. J'ai écouté ce disque en streaming depiis que tu l'as présenté et en passant dans un de mes disquaires local, je l'ai trouvé à pas cher. Coïncidence parfaite comme je les aime.
@@FranceBizarre super, ça tombe bien ce genre de coïncidence.
hi fred looking forward to your record collecting vid. im curious when visiting a record store with limited time, how do you go about borrowsing bins? do you start with your fave genre or do you start in new arrivals? in case there are multiple versions/pressings of the title you looking for, how do you go about in choosing the one you’d take home?
Thanks for the questions, I have noted them and will try to answer them...
nice. cheers@@bigstar1000 !
Qs:
What's your collection philosophy?
What system do you use for playback?
Do you clean your records?
Do you keep a filing system on a computer or in a book, Discogs?
How do you sort your records - since you have quite a few, I would guess you'd need some kind of system?
Cheers!
Thanks, duly noted and will tackle those in the video.
Hi, I agree, what is the philosophy of a collection is an interesting question that has many implications including lateral issues such as "do you prefer first pressings to reissues and why" or "how much are you willing to spend on vinyl".
Other questions, “Does it make sense to be a completionist?” (I hope this is how it is said in English: someone who wants everything from a specific artist, in italian 'completista'); “Do you play all the vinyl you buy?”; "Does it make sense to be obsessed with the condition of the vinyl and the cover?".
Finally, what will happen to my collection is a question I often think about and I still don't have an answer. Ciao!@@bigstar1000