@@sub-harmonik Don't forget that he goes around praising communist countries, introduced legislation for worker-owned businesses, pushes for equity instead of equality, and can't actually come up with a way to pay for any of his plans that doesn't involve eating the rich. If he's not a socialist, then he's just incompetent.
Bernie may call himself Socialist, but I care more about POLICY. Bernie's policies WERE Social Democratic not Democratic Socialism. America is stupid as fuck for not nominating him as the so-called "progressive party's" nominee. Instead we have a flakier version of Trump in Biden - who confuses his own wife with his sister! Sound familiar? Final thought: Both parties are regressive shitshows.
@@feeziwigfloyd7517 poor people richer, stable lifes, no third party mafia thugs like health insurance, country is stable and does not go through boom bust cycles, corporations pay taxes not 0% like amazon, everybody is happy.. look at canada, scandinavia, richest EU countries and then think about facts not retards on FOX and CNN
To Tim's point that people are raised not knowing where things come from: Early on in the Oprah years (mid- to late-eighties, I think), Ms. Winfrey had some farmers on the show discussing how tough it was to be farmers and the damage being done by government regulation and big agribusiness firms to the family and small farmers of this country. The farmers were characterized as the villains in the scenario. At the point where it was opened up for audience questions, after the farmers had been thoroughly demonized by other guests, one audience member asked the question, "Why do we need farmers?" One farmer replied, "Where are you going to get the vegetables and meat that you enjoy each day?" The audience member, a 30-something female, replied, "I'll just go to the grocery store and get it like I always do!" So the phenomenon of people not knowing is not new.
That example right there is why my cousin, a former infantryman and PTSD advocate, refused to go on her show in 2009. He said he didnt trust her and how she would present him or the disorder.
Hell, up until only a few years ago it was also: "Why do we need farmers?" "Because our most important export by far is grain. That is how we keep the US dollar as strong as it is. Other countries need us to survive."
@@tyfeliz5202 He's explaining that money is representative of productive work, what he's saying has nothing to do with central planning or price fixing
@@tyfeliz5202 Japan's like that. It's also socially dysfunctional and falling apart as a result under the mask the weaboos and other imbeciles blindly worship.
Isn't that how we all feel? Socialism sounds good, I just think it would be terrible compared to capitalism once implemented. Now capitalism with a UBI? That's a totally different story. Teaching people to be successful in a capitalist system would be awesome.
@@calmexit6483 if we had real capitalism in would agree. We have unfettered capitalism that is impossible to win in unless you start on 3rd base. Just look at our president.
dark ray it’s really not that hard to succeed in our system, acquire a skill that makes you hard to replace, you’ll be fine. Or become so elite at a field that is heavily crowded, so you stick out
@@tyronehoard Jeff Bezos's father, adoptive father who raised him from childhood, was a cuban refugee who came to the US as a teen who couldn't even speak a lick of english. He became an oil engineer, gave Jeff Bezos a middle class life, and was among the first to invest in Amazon when it was a small business. Who's richer Trump or Jeff Bezos? Not even a question
NinjaKing. nah he’s just doesn’t like to talk fast cuz it’s harder to understand. the millions listening to his podcast daily actually want to understand the things being said, talking slower does that very effectively
Bragging about myself, concerning this video. I am 68 years old. in 5 minutes ,after your video ends , I am going to a local Park to play guitar for free, Because covid restrictions have dried up all my gigs. I do not see my fellow guitarists out busking while I am out there. This is my 6th year trying to be a professional musician. So, I am the low cost provider in an very thin field of old musicians. Shit will happen...... Thanks for doing what you do.
Needed to see this, trying to make videos about current events or ideas and i get bogged down and discouraged in not being "perfect". Think im going to go bear bones and just talk.
I somehow managed to move out of the ghetto to getting my nursing license and degrees amd working 50-60 hour weeks while living cheaply. It took me 5 years out of college but I did it. I also worked on my career and attained medical related jobs and make 3 times as much as did starting out in my career.
it's interesting how some people will find a way to better there situation come hell or high water, and how some people will fuck up every opportunity they're given. at the end of the day you either make it out or you don't. my situation mirrors what you describe, at no point was it anyone else's responsibility but my own to make my life better.
@@anthologyofinterest1 Yeah but the point that people try to get across is that not everyone gets equal opportunities. I just been coasting in school enjoying life my whole life because my parents have 2 properties in the millions. I make alot of money on the side of being a student by buying and selling shoes, stock trading etc. through 0% interest loans from my parents. So is it not slightly unfair for "the good life" to just be handed to me on a platter?
Ok, good job? All you in here and Joe and Tim are ALL misrepresenting the issue here. You shouldn't HAVE to slave away to carve out a comfortable living. It doesn't fucking matter all this shit about "well there are people here in poverty living better than a lot of the world", it's about the INSANE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH AT THE TOP in THIS country compared to how we tread our poorest. The PEOPLE worked to create this nation of wealth yet the shit's been rigged to constantly funnel more and more of it up to fewer and fewer richer and richer people dude. You're looking at everything the way the ones up top WANT you to look at it instead of looking at it for what it really is.
Was about to say some socialist would still find a way to advocate for socialism but I see@@michaelhaydenbell already did it. Socialism’s killed more than nazism and it’s bankrupted at least 10 economies in history. It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The rich shitstains who weasel around the law and fuck you without Vaseline won’t lose their social status or wealth. They will accrue more power. The only difference is we’ll all be equally poor on governemebt programs with no other options. Please take a look a communist China. If that is appealing to you I will personally buy your plane ticket.
While i can agree that they are important, they are not the backbone. to play devils advocate here, what about the diesel mechanics? The manufacture's who make the goods you ship, the farmers who produce food. The list goes on and truthfully the vast majority of skilled labor is just as important as the next. It takes all of us doing our part.
@@dariyoon There will more than likely still be a human on board for multiple reasons, instead of driving, they serve a different purpose. security, problem solving, cargo Verification, etc.... you would be surprised how many issues arise from the shipping manifest (BOL). There is still a conductor on train for christ sake.
Yeah all workers play a part but that doesn't mean truck drivers aren't the backbone. Let's say we cancel corn, we would be fine. Coffee, sports, luxury cars, etc. Pretty specific, niche like things that all have an impact but we can survive that pretty easily. Water, power, internet and truck drivers. You lose any of those and you're looking at another great depression at best.
@@CarlosHernandez-zf8vm while the percentage among white people is less than among black. But there are many more white people. So in total, you will get more white people favoring socialism. Not per capita, just in general.
@@user-lx4jr4pt8p is that supposed to be an argument? There's more white people of pretty much everything in a country where there's more white people in general. The data that matters IS the per capita.
It also depends on how you measure “success”, if you love being a garbage man, and you work hard at it- that’s success. Don’t let society measure it for you. Big mistake.
Indeed as a culture we overvalue money, houses, cars, etc. I argue that internet and social media has destroyed community which was already on the decline because the school system destroys the family unit
the problem is that in order it live a happy life you need to make somewhat of a livable wage, which is i think around 70,000$’s, but ppl on average are making much lower than that. everyone should have the ability to make a livable wage no matter what they love doing
@@nothinginhiding IDEALLY we all should be able to do what ever we want (within reason) and make a living wage. It's been that way in the US for a while, but if we keep allowing the Marxists to shrink the middle class, that is going to be the case less and less often. the goal of socialism / communism is to make EVERYBODY so poor and desperate that you do whatever they tell you because you just want to eat. I remember hearing about in the 80s in the USSR that the government would choose your job for you, more or less. If communism ever takes over the US the only people with any choices will be those in the government / have government connections.
According to Nietzsche, masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master morality with their slave morality. Slave morality is based on devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have.
Tell that to Wall Street, which manufactures wealth out of nothing. It's a faux economy, but it drives the US neoliberal system as we outsource factories, stocks soar.
@BeerGrills They create bubbles that do not reflect actual value, but rather they've learned how to artificially inflate wealth and speculation to make a quick buck. Whoever is left holding the bag when it pops is ruined. You're dishonest if you don't admit that outsourcing jobs is the real economy, which involves making things rather than invisible speculation and investment in nebulous concepts. That's why the corporate media measures economic health based on Wall Street stock values, because what they really care about is the health of stocks for the rich, not main street.
@Curtis Beardsley Yes, indeed, and the statistics bear this out.. The middle class is shrinking and income inequality growing annually. The Cares Act was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history. Trump is a symptom of this disenchantment with the failed American experiment.
There was a guy in a reverse Q&A I saw from Portland University who made one of the best points I've ever heard. He mentioned how he visited Nepal, and they had no concept of social justice because they were more concerned about whether they were gonna eat that day. But when he came back to America, realized: "Social justice is a privileged concept for privileged people. To be able to think of everyone, and think that somehow you can solve everyone else's problems because you don't have any of your own."
@Maple_Hobbit That's essentially saying that if you're poor, you don't have human rights to worry about--since that's exactly what social justice issues are--issues in which people's basic rights are being threatened. And that, of course, is ridiculous. Simply because you're poor, that doesn't mean you don't have rights that can be threatened and taken away, it simply means that it's harder for you to speak out because you're having to focus on your basic survival on a daily basis. In fact, some of the poorest countries in the world have some the worst social justice issues, because they don't have the financial means with which to fight back, thus making it easier for their government to suppress their rights. Nations throughout Latin America, Africa, and Asia are perfect examples of this. Take a look at the governments of El Salvador, Nigeria, and North Korea (to name just three of multiple examples) and you'll see nations in which governments torture, jail, and disappear people (make them vanish). In all of them, the people are extremely poor, and the atrocities committed against them continue because they don't have the means with which to fight back. It's easy for that person to say that poor nations don't have social justice issues when they're not the ones living there. Try living there, however, under the rule of those governments, and it's an entirely different story. Simply because he didn't see the issues, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Tao Tao You misinterpret. He’s saying you can only turn focus towards things like social justice when other larger problems have been solved, like mass poverty, famine, etc. Capitalist countries have those issues solved. So now we turn our attention to the next set of problems and so on.
Every person I know who lived under socalism loves capitalism. Every person I know who benefitted from capitalism who supports socalism lives in a bubble of comfort and privilege.
No wonder all the flourishing European countries are doing so badly with their free education/healthcare and longer lifespans and higher educational test scores etc etc
@@rudeboyjim2684 They applied it awhile ago, when they aren't as diverse agreeing in getting taxed high equally. USA is a different beast, we're talking about a really diverse country that constantly welcomes people from other country who come to the US with their own - for the most part- weak currency that has to be adjusted to the US currency. And US Capitalism brought a lot of competition that made a lot of patents, inventions and innovations possible in all fields from science, medicine, and other breakthroughs. This website you're watching your video in is a product of capitalism. The USA has made a lot of sacrifices in itself to push progress, mostly driven by capitalism. That ever so ubiquitous Tesla cars in Norway? Made and patented in the US. If you wanna get taxed 40%, get out of the US and stay there, and wait and benefit for the breakthroughs done by the capitalist behemoth.
Raja Ronaldo the argument doesn’t work for SO many reasons. 1) I’ll take 60,000 less health-care related deaths, WAY lower rates of depression, better education and all the things that are meaningful in life to more Teslas etc. 2) all of those countries have capitalistic economies, but they understand that unfettered capitalism leads to the 2008 banking crisis, (Iceland deregulated their banks in 2008 also, and they bankrupted themselves). You don’t need libertarianism to stimulate invention. In fact, think of all the people who are busy slogging away at a 9-5 and don’t have the resources to go to school, invest, or innovate because they lack necessary capital. America could be way better-but our middle class is disappearing. 3) under FDR we had up to a 90% top marginal tax rate in the golden age of American dominance. Now we are losing out to China because we have a beefed up financial industry but don’t actually make that many THINGS, just loans and bonds and stocks and mortgage backed securities etc. when other countries call our bluff, the economy is going to crash.
Tbf, the only thing worse than a rich capitalist, is a poor one. Like when I'm lectured on the negatives of basic healthcare by some poor-ass American who couldn't even afford to pull a rotten tooth, but preaches whatever right-wing economists say.
@Ginger Ginger dirty capitalism requires slaves when people are driven by profit. The great thing about dirty capitalism is it can exist at the same time as clean capitalism. Do you think you have no other options besides the big corporations?
@Ginger Ginger if you think paying taxes and having roads, military, schooling is socialist, then you have a very twisted view. That is the role of government, but the role of government isn't to control everything
Yeah, my goal is to eat sushi all the time. To do that I need money cause it’s expensive (15$ for sushi buffet). To gain money I need to work hard and save all my revenue to invest more and more. Until I have dividends that pay my monthly expenses and sushi 👍
I equate success with happiness. What good is money if you don't have the people you love around you? I'd rather live under a bridge with my wife than be rich without her.
Have you seed soviet music? It was the fucking bomb. Art? Have you seen soviet avant-garde? Maleevich, Kandinsky Tatlin? Not to mention that people weren't unhappy. In fact today most people who lived under socialism want back. From east Germany and Kazakhstan to Russia and Czechia.
You know who else produced bad music? Frank Zappa. Sure he has some good material, but he also released a truly unprecedented amount of unlistenable garbage.
I’d love to see a compilation of all the times he’s said that, cause I already count 2 times - this sushi time he speaks of in this episode and the day after the election cause he was exhausted. Just clarifying, I think it’s fantastic he takes days off, but he always prefaces that with “I never take days off”
@Sports and Gaming I doubt its an interview tactic. I love Joe but he just has no ideology and is ignorant. He lacks a framework for understanding things so he will generally agree with anything that can't be debunked with general common sense.
Joe's political opinions don't change with whoever he has on the show that day. He simply plays devil's advocate in each interview. It's an interviewing technique that causes the person being interviewed to open up more with their opinions and allows them to explain WHY they believe what they believe. When the interviewer portrays agreement with the interviewee, it's an interview. When the interviewer argues the entire time with the interviewee, it's a debate.
Someone just brought "Tytler's cycle" to my attention. Basically the idea that culture is in constant flux between scarcity and abundance, and people raised in abundance don't understand how to strive and become complacent... whereas people born in scarcity have to struggle to survive and learn to be self sufficient... I always kinda new this but never knew the phenomena had a name.
It's a pretty silly concept and often people cherry pick a GREAT deal to justify their personal biases. Plenty of Boomers seem to think they are the strivers that built a great society, ignoring the fact they benefited from a great many systems they now label "socialism" I'd point out as a counterpoint that pretty much every person who has contributed to human advancement has done so from a place of "abundance" Basically, poor people don't have time to invest in thinking or invention because they're struggling to survive. Examine through history who has invented more things, created more art, or advanced our understanding most. You won't find many peasants. The peasants you DO find will have been fortunate enough to benefit from patronage from the rich. In the last 100-300 years opportunities have certainly opened up (industrialism taught the elite that they can exploit the intelligence of the serfs and it has worked out rather well for them, despite antipathy to "social programs" that enable this) but I genuinely think my point still stands. If the world worked according to the principle you described there would be FAR less inherited wealth, it would be the exception, not the rule. The fact that fortunes ARE lost is not compelling evidence, because that pattern tends to be one of indolence, decadence, or incompetence. Not "complacency" We would instead see the rise and fall of nations on a generational basis. We'd see all of the best innovation from the poorest nations. What we wouldn't see is time after time the nations with the best scientists being those that invest most heavily in educating (there's a reason the US nicked all of the top Nazi and Soviet scientists)
@@DmGray Thats quite the dissertation you wrote their. I think the fundamental point is that society is not as rigid as some would like to believe, every peasant is descended from a king and every king is descended from a peasant. I do agree with you that up until the industrial revolution the majority of the population were required to work as unfree agricultural labor, serfs or slaves, in order to ward off famine and create the surplus for the military class and bourgeois... thats what I think is missing from the revisionist history perspective; most of the "oppression" you see historically was necessary and its wrong to project modern values back on them. And yes the people at the top have a responsibility to reinvest in the workers and leaders of tommorow. Corruption is part and parcel of complacency.
Loved his point about the blessings and importance of struggle, and how it builds good character... he put it a different way, that there “is a benefit from being dealt a shitty hand of cards” in typical Joe Rogan fashion! ♥️♥️♥️
@@dowdallerno1 yep. Being rich doesn't guarentee an easy life. Rich kids who never see their parents go on to live a drug infested dystfunctional life that hurts everybody around them and posions their family tree downstream. Money isn't everything.
@@waleuska His brother actually willingly gave him the company (subverse) after he said he wasn't doing anything with it. There's even chatlogs between the both of them talking about it. His brother is upset because the company got funding from the creator of minds.com long after he left it.
One of the largest apartment builders in the USA was not born into it, he started out selling sandwiches to fieldworkers from the back of his car. AG Spanos Company is the reward for his efforts.
@@sten260 So what? People need to stop romanticizing the 0.00001% of people that actually go from zero to hero. 90% of rich people had rich parents, not poor ones. Its sad because stories like this commenter's are what leads the back-breakingly poor people to become complacent in their waiting for the American dream to "pick them".
@@andrewjensen8189 you do realize those 0.00001% people made it possible for you to have all that shit in your house? There are very few people who can build wealth. The whole point of capitalism is to move resources and money to those few individuals. So they can turn their 100 million into 200 million. 99% of population can't do that. If you give a million dollars to a random bloke on street, he is going to spend it on himself. He doesn't hire people to build new shit for us. So nobody benefits from it. If the government tax rich and gives it to the "poor" that means they literally destroy wealth. If you do that hard enough those rich people are gonna take their capital and leave the country. Then you are stuck with a bunch of poor workers and no capital. So you get Venezuela. Use some common sense...
@@sten260 You must have misinterpreted what I meant. The 0.000001% of people I was talking about NEVER statistically speaking make it into the top 10% of the wealthiest 3%, and it is that 10% of the 3% that you are speaking of which "build new shit for us". And I could easily offer a sound argument as for why/how the wealth accumulation among the richest has become obscene, and they realistically could continue innovating at the same rate while living extremely comfortable lives with a fraction of their income/overall wealth, but that isn't relevant to my og comment. All I was pointing out is that it is sad that so many lower class people buy up the rhetoric of "all rich people worked hard to get where they are, so all I have to do is apply myself in life and I will become successful". That rhetoric is just a mental band-aid created by the rich to keep the working class hopeful and efficient, and they cling to it so strongly now because with the wealth gap trending in the wrong way they need to believe in something that will calm them down. The fact is, that aside from a small handful of overnight billionaires, the majority of the super-rich are made up of generational wealth that was built in previous centuries in times where plunder, slavery and other illegitimate business practices generated incredible wealth that could (and would go on to) support the guilty families indefinitely.
"People who are socialists are all white." Ignores the Black Panthers, MLK, Malcom X, Boots Riley, Angela Davis, Kwame Ture, W.E.B. Dubois, Sandanistas, Cuban Revolution, Zapatista Movement, and on and on.....
@@admiralMcmufin Vietnam and China before they became capitalist. Thomas Sankara in Africa. Socialism is an anti imperialist doctrine. The majority of socialists have been nonwhite!!! You also have the teachings of Christ a Middle Eastern Jew. I can keep going...
@@justinboyd8383 you sure you want to back a guy who condoned ethical ownage of slaves? Render unto Ceasar? That sound socialist to you? What even is your non argument? socialism is an anti logic doctrine. And the vast majority of socialists in functioning non socialist societies are still overwhelmingly white. JUSTIN. lmao white Boyd.
Without getting too deep into it "success" does not mean the same thing to everyone, and shouldn't. If someone defines it as becoming a billionaire then 99.9% could realistically never achieve it. I can live a pretty happy "simple" life in general without being "rich". Adjusting one's target for success is something to consider.
that's a very good point and the same line of thinking separates leftist economics and politics from right economics and politics. if there were a company making billions a year in revenue that alone is seen as a success, regardless of how little the workers for that same company get paid or the quality of those workers' lives. or the aim of the government and how the right simply cares about numbers on paper like GDP, debt and the deficit (they only care when they aren't in office), yet those hardly tell the story of the citizens' lives. if a country has a high GDP and low deficit, this is seen as a success regardless if 50% of that same country's citizens live in poverty. same goes for foreign countries leadership, as there are a number of times where a country has a military dictator as its leader supported by the US and western profit-driven media says this country is successful regardless of how many people that US supported dictator has killed or what they do to their people. such as Cuba where Castro was terrible and violent, yet many in the US and western media were not nearly as hostile towards Cuba when they were led by Fulgencio Batista who killed more people than Castro but he was supported by the US so no one says anything about it. and many Democrats who are centrist and center-right have the same view on what "success" looks like regardless of the lives of the average people
Some guys have an easier time than me. Mostly because they’re smarter and work harder than me. I can live with that. Those that can’t accept that are insane.
But that isn't what any logical people are arguing, in fact the majority of people in favor of socialized healthcare, and more government involvement in social securities etc. are against pure socialism. Some people see the benefits of a hybrid system in other western countries, and are interested in the idea. Your comment is true in some cases, and obviously dedication and motivation is one of the driving factors of success, but the other driver of success is capital/access to capital. My parents purchased their house for $800k, now it is worth $4mil, as well as inheriting a $5mil small scale rental apartment building. So no matter what I do in life, I can have financial security. I am the youngest of 3 kids, my 25 year old sister decided to quit her job to start a company (while living in a 60% off subsidized apartment in the most expensive city in my country), my brother decided to cash out and pursue a career in ski instructing, and I am taking sizeable 0% interest loans (as well as countless handouts from grandparents, gifts etc.), and I am clearing around $20k a year buying and selling shoes, consoles, stock trading, and other ventures. I have a close friend who has lived in a very small house with his single dad his whole life, they rent. Who here has the easier life?
@@andrewjensen8189 They mentioned this in the video too. Clearly some people are born in your position and that is a fact, but what is the solution to that? Your parents put in the hard work to acquire that wealth and now they have a foundation where their children can start higher up on the ladder than they themselves did and have a sort of safety net to keep them out of poverty even if they fail or do nothing (like many born into wealth do). So what is the solution? Do we punish people like your parents for building that foundation by taking a large amount of that money away to give to others?
@@quincy-2000 No, but my point is that the people who claim hard work is the only ingredient to success is just plain wrong. The most proven ingredient to success, is a successful family. And that it also my point, my parents worked, but not any harder than anyone else. They just took out a 400k mortgage, and go lucky with their assets going up 3 million. They were given handouts by their parents, and the cycle continues. It is stupid to ignore the opportunity discrepancies' between classes in the western world. Most wealth inequalities are not racial based, they are class based. It is just easier for the rich to blame race, as it takes more of the pressure of blame off of them.
No, thats just a moronic Canadian professor. Every socialist/commuist under the sun can tell you that it didn't work because of constant terrorism and economical and political sabotage US engaged in towards the socialist states. And any reasonable socialist/communist would tell you that it worked incredibly well driven the circumstances.
But we currently have socialism for the rich. They aren't talking about that. Bailouts are socialism for corporations. In a capitalist system, companies who don't save and now are going bankrupt see tossed aside. If you don't make it then you don't make it. But when you bail them out with taxpayer money, it's called socialism.... For the rich!
James Poindexter III We already live in a socialist society... it’s called crony capitalism. You have to have nothing or everything to benefit from it i.e. government subsidies, the “viral” corporate bailouts, medicaid. The middle class get the short end of the stick.
Bailouts arent socialism , you uneducated moron. Sure they are bad, but the government isnt building a police state for corporations, taking corporate private property, or silencing those who oppose bailouts. That would be socialism.
@@billping6712 Jesus, you are all so stupid. Maybe we are similar to Fabian socialism, but we are nothing like a socialist state. Socialism is the abolition of private property, the authoritarian suppression of dissent, and the planning of economy leading up to communism . Okay, maybe we are headed there.
I work at a Wendy’s right now. Before this I worked at McDonald’s. It took me a year to realize that it doesn’t matter who you are. If you can control your emotions and act professional any business will let you climb there ladder. But if you can be driven about literally anything at all, then you can accomplish anything you want. Any time that I ever wanted more from my job I got it by simply trying a little harder. My goal in life is to do what I enjoy for the rest of my life. Ive realized almost anything you can do from enjoyment can be done for money. Especially here in America and first world countries. I’m 19 and i know that instead of wasting time and money on college I can save my money and then buy the equipment I need to do the thing that I enjoy but for money. I want to do wood working and carpentry. I know that I can make money from making and selling things made from wood but the difference between this being a hobby that makes me some extra cash and an actual business is that I invest the money I make into making more products which in turn makes more money. And aside from just simply putting money into it if I become exceedingly good at it I could be making a lot of money from just one project. And on top of that I can do what you do with this UA-cam channel. And that is simply making a for of entertainment. But not only would I be entertaining people I would also be getting paid for it. A lot of people my age don’t understand that to be successful you have to know what you want and how to get it. And if for some reason you can’t get it in your current state you must change your perspective and only after taking a look at yourself in that new perspective will you be able to understand why it is you can get what you want. I’ve found this applies to happiness as well. If I’m having a hard time being happy or controlling my emotions or basically anything related to my mental state then I’ll take a step back and think about it as if I wasn’t myself. I think about it as if I was someone else and Im listening to them explain the problems to me and then I do my best to offer advice and help. This is something that I do unconsciously now because I’ve been doing it for so long. And just to clarify I don’t actually see myself as a different person. I was just using that as a way to help you understand exactly what I mean. Joe I really wish you would let me be on your podcast man.
Your not the first nineteen y/o to think they have the world figured out. The older you get the more you realize you don’t know 💩 The universe gave you one mouth, but two ears, your supposed to listen twice as much as you talk 😏
@@rdh1429 bro ur like 16. You have no room to speak. Stop trynna act like you know more lmao😂😂 mister “listen twice as much as you talk” should really stop talking😂😂 like did you think you’re giving me some sort of advice I haven’t already heard? You sound like just another 30 some year old dude that thinks he has life figured out just because he’s older. Stop being a dipshit and going around acting like you know better trying to tell kids online how they should think. You don’t know shit and you should probably go read more books.
@@GottablastJimbo Glad to see yong people with an understanding of what it takes. I hope you had continued making strides towards the goal as I realize your first comment is 2 years old. Something else to consider is also working for someone who has much more woodworking skills than yourself. Even if its at a loss (less than your making now) You can learn so many skills and techniques that you can't anywhere else without paying someone to learn those skills.
I’d be incredibly surprised if any athlete playing any professional sport didn’t watch themselves. At least in hockey the teams rewatch games and the coaching staff use it to teach the players. Even when I was 13 years old we did it.
@@SammyBooy2814 what are you, stupid? Socialists complain the rich have socialism but the poor can't, they also complain about the rich making way more money than everyone and having way too much private property due to capitalist endeavors...which is the antithesis of socialism. You're too fucking smug to realize you're the stupid one...buddy.
Why waste the time and money for something frivolous as this when he can just spend 2 seconds to put on a beanie. Tim is smarter to use his money to invest on goals that matter to him.
@@riopato2009 exactly, because wearing a beanie all the time is just wonderful! especially in the summer heat and it looks so much better then his head. God forbid we see his head!😲😲😲😨😨😭
Are you kidding me? The entire discussion is dissecting different facets of perserverence and acquiring success for yourself instead of expecting it to be handed to you. "Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"; The very essence of capitalism; the very thing that these young socialists have convinced themselves is impossible. They go on to explore different examples and the values neccessary for success. Just because your attention span isn't capable of maintaining a grasp on the context of the conversation doesn't mean it isn't there. But if you're that impatient, start at 16:59
@Zack Macdowell agreed. Though let's agknowledge that a capitalist society is capable of incorporating selective social policies and benefitting strongly from it... providing the temperament of the populace can tolerate such a thing. And unlike nordic countries, we are certainly not capable of such. Widespread mental illness, dogmatic hatred of government and adherence to anarchy. The steadily growing population compared to places like Norway or even Canada. The constant presence of animosity toward the very system your taxes go to. So much so that, for example, people by the masses condoning the abuse of the welfare state in secret. We certainly are not capable of handling many "social" policies as of yet. Maybe we never will at a certain density of population. Not until we all remember how to socialize properly with our fellow human again. And I'd imagine that at this point, the only things that could trigger such a shift are the same things it always ends up being: Destruction.. Anarchy.. Indifference and profound callousness.. Foolish division.. Tragedy and suffering. How ironic... We humans are so predictably stupid.
Darkseany “Socialize properly...” You mean to make everybody think the same way? Imagine if genetics followed your plan...we would all still be simple proteins all doing the EXACT same thing. The problem isn’t that we are different. The problem is that we don’t understand the power of difference. It is how things are different that gives value to anything or to power change. Voltage differentials give us electrical energy in our neurons as well as our electronics. Chemical potentials are the effect of different electron energy states. Differences in ideas is what drives innovation. The differences in the information gathered by each eyeball is what provides us depth perception. No. The problem isn’t our differences. The problem is our inability to communicate our differences in a useful manner. It’s the communication that we fail in, and we are failing even harder. Cancel Culture is anathema to communication, and that’s why society is the way it is today.
Aoc was speaking in literal terms like someone actually had boots on and tried to pull themselves up😂she was saying that’s impossible to do like she thought that quote was meant to be literal
ffs I really want people who use the word socialism in any argument for or against it to define it every time they use it in the context they're using it. It feels like socialism means ice to one person and steam to another.
@@ayandas874 That makes no sense. We already give the gov't our tax dollars..The problem is they use that money to keep the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
Sebastian Flores of course they do it. But you are deluding yourself if you think that "if only the right group of people had that power, they would do good." They can't, and they wont, because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. People seeking to add their own power for your good are fooling you.
13 years ago, i came to this country with my family with nothing (about $300) , as a family, we worked extremely hard to be where we are, never asked for welfare, little by little got a couple of houses, graduated from college, recently started my own business. then there's people who are being lazy with a victimized mentality, all they want is money handed it to them, am i supposed agree with that?
Absolutely not, your family came here with the perseverance and drive to make your way in America. Not just have it handed to You. There is a class in our socio-economic system that have made a living for generations in some cases, of living off the govt and then complain that they are being held by a glass ceiling. There are alot of people in this country that have forgotten their roots are the same as yours, but their roots were planted over a 100 years ago. There's a dichotomous irony there. The same people who came here with nothing and built up a good life for themselves and their family and are more worried about immigrants than they are of citizens who live off the govt. And that can be spun in alot of ways, but keep in mind the govt will always make money and keep their pwr grab and always will win.
Especially they don’t succeed when during situations like corona virus the top 1% get $5 trillion in bailout money and the rest of the country gets $1200 for 3 months which not even UBI - it’s tax credit which means it’s your own money. Not even everybody. Companies like Boeing whose planes are falling from the sky and who instead of spending the money from Trump tax cuts on their workers or on R&D wasted all their money on share buy back now crawl back to suck the government tit and they got a bail out. But regular people, sorry you get peanuts. All these insurance companies get a bailout from government during corona. Huh? Why? It’s it supposed to be capitalism and they they should go belly up because free market and sh#t? Yes, it’s socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Instead of letting insurance companies going bankrupt and giving everybody healthcare like in every f#cking developed country Democrats and GOP voted to save the health insurance companies. I am sure it’s because everybody else is lazy. Half of small business will go bankrupt and huge corporations will gobble them up because half of small business owners are lazy according to your brilliant logic.
@@metalmk6839 Gee, thanks that explains everything. What can I do without a genius like you? This is why the US is getting 2nd waive of covid. Germany has 4% unemployment becasue they nationalized payroll which is socialism and the US gave the richest 1% and corporations $5 trillion and everybody else can FO. George Floyd pretests are just a tip of an iceberg, wait till homeowners will lose their homes and renters become evicted becasue they don't have any money because the employment is at least 20% in the US. And it will happen in red states and in blue states, so you will have a situation where millions of people will have no jobs, no money, no healthcare and nothing to lose.
@@metalmk6839 Tim Pool is a f#cking moron. Jimmy Dore had an interview with him where he tried to explain to him single payer/medicare for all and he doesn't understand it. The guy who never takes off his condom hat from his dumb head looks super trustworthy. LOL!
@El Lobo bro literally any distribution of wealth through taxation ex/ the police is an example of socialism. Karl marx was not a proponent of authoritarianism communism like USSR, Lenin wasn't a Marxist nor Stalin, you've been fed propaganda
@El Lobowell imagine your in a scenario where The only Jobs available to you are minimum wage, and you barely earn enough to pay rent and feed your self. You aren't gaining anything, your essentially a slave. Should the corporation be 'free' make money off your hard work just because they inherited wealth and you didn't? Now you might say that an individual is free to leave said job and pursue an education, but that education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars they dont have, with interest, that they're lucky to have paid off before they die. Now all there excess cash goes to paying off there loan, still a slave to an institution. Imagine they have healthcare costs, a family to feed on top of it. Someone with a rich daddy (who inherited there wealth) had there education paid for, and had a high paying job just waiting for them, is that equal opportunity? The system I'm a proponent would, limit CEOs to making a maximum of 10xavg employee (walmart ceo makes 1000x), gives employees shares in the company and a voice in the decision making in the company. I am an economics major and I'd be happy to send you some resources if your interested in learning more about the policies I advocate for
@El Lobo yes socialism is a terrible ideology, but don't go thinking that the bible isn't anything but a bunch of fairy tales written by ignorant sand dwellers
Marx himself was the child of an upper middle class family who was very generous with his family's money, to such an extent they had to cut him off, lest he waste what was supporting his mother and siblings.
I was born and raised in socialism and had "free" education and healthcare and enjoyed very low crime rates. I can tell you unequivocally it is just a horrible, dehumanizing, demotivating, depressing system fraught with nepotism and backstabbing in which only the ruling elite can afford anything and everyone else is just poor and people with college degrees who put in a lot of effort are just marginally better off than high school drop outs. The day I escaped that and moved to United States was the happiest day of my life. I arrived here with a couple of thousand dollars in my pocket and today, 20 years later I have a successful career and I can tell you without any doubt that this is a great country we have here and if we allow socialism to take hold here it will be a total disaster for everyone but the very few who are pushing for it and their minions.
they are Americans. assertive, arrogant, fed with anti-socialist propaganda sins they where born... and about to learn a lesson in why work unions, social health care for all is a good thing. but my oh my will a lot of life's go away before they actually get their fucking head out of their asses and just maybe just maaaaybe admit that we in Europe have done it far better in general and should copy from us.
@@ACircadianRhythm Yeah great benefits like free gulags and state provided 'suicides' lmao. Name one time socialism has worked before. You might say "it hasn't been tried correctly" or "if only there were a different all powerful dictator it would be different" but no, that's no how it works. Failure is fundamental in a system where the government forces equal outcome.
@@coopergoss350 ha thats mere propaganda against socialism, neither USSR or China have even tried to implement communism they just use the word to hide their autocracy. Many countries in Europe have done a fine job implementing socialism into their capitalist societies. But in the end it is a system you are right would never truly work unless everyone had faith in it. Because if it were to work there would be no governing body to take advantage of its people, the people would sort themselves out instead of having a class of rulers
He's over thinking that last bit. If the government tells you to stay home and not go to work so you cant make any money, then the government has to make you whole. It's not a long term thing, but it is long enough to ruin a hell of a lot of people and businesses if they don't get support. Bringing ideology into it isn't helpful.
Here, in Ireland, we've a rather helpful set of support packages set up. All the freezes and supports he just mentioned and said were impossible! We're not a massive country with trillions to burn either! We've a centre right govt!!! Everyone, even opposing politicians have come together as much as all of us here on the front line. If America sorted its foreign policy it'd have a serious yearly surplus!
@Bif Webster Yep. My step moms daycare/kindergarten in New Jersey that has been open for over 40 years got declined for support. State mandated closure yet no support.
@@marshallkobe I'm disgusted with this country. Really am. How this is possible is just then spitting in our face now. At the same time it angers me just as much that her and my dad will most likely vote for someone that has only enabled this.
I can't understand this whole argument why it should be unfair that some people have it easier in life because they were born into a more privileged family. Being born into a privileged family usually means that you have parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents that made smart life decisions and placed their children's well being above their own... Isn't it fair that their children have an easier time in life?
@JerzeVillain well no, not exactly as there is a major difference between these 2 scenarios which is the possibility of sozial permeation. In the 1400 your social Status and your possibilities were not defined by your wealth but by your families titles basically making it a trait that was defined by blood and (almost) unchangable as serves were barred from many opportunities regardless of wealth. This changed massively in the late 1900s and 20th century as institutions opened up to all people (at least in Europe) that could afford them. Agreed the USs color seggregation laws delayed that development in the US for decades but since the late 1960s that also holds true for the US. The fact that 90% of the top income earners in the US (top 10% of incomes) don't stay in that bracket for more than 1 year and that around 50%of us households eventually reach that bracket (usually when the main breadwinner of the family is in his mid 50s) shows that this social permeability is real and people are climbing the social stratas on a daily basis. All I am saying is that you should have the choice if you want to spend All your money on yourself and work less to have a more comfortable life or work more and save some money or build up your families wealth in other ways (such as becoming a homeowner and paying a huge ass mortgage for decades) to give your children an easier start in life enabling them to climb even higher on the social ladder without being punished for it...
No what they are saying is it’s not fair for the children who aren’t “lucky” enough to be born into those kinds of families to not have any opportunities because of their parents bad choices. It’s all a matter of luck! You weren’t born into a more successful, affluent family because you’re just a better person. You just got lucky! But do you think it’s fair to the children of poor, unambitious parents to not be given the opportunity to an education? Or a good job? Or equality and respect?
Wow, this quote is why people are easy targets for fake news. He literally said "I don't take days off ever, but I took off yesterday, had some bad sushi..." meaning he got sick from bad sushi and wasn't feeling well. Google the meaning for the word "CONTEXT".
@@CheesyChez421 Joe had Tim on twice. The first time he helped Joe understand the problems and implications of social media. The second time Joe had Tim on was to ask the questions he didn't ask when he had Jack Dorsey on his show because Joe got a lot of criticism why that interview failed miserably. Before then, Joe was supposed to have Tim on years ago after Tim did multiple on-the-ground reporting on Occupied Wall Street but Joe kept cancelling on Tim 3 separate times in a span of 3 years. The reason Joe keeps having Tim on is because Tim is a credible and trusted independent journalist who isn't afraid to back down or isn't beholden to corporate media. This fence riding joke has more integrity as a journalist than any UA-cam commenter will ever have which is why Joe respects Tim to have him on his show as much as possible. Tim literally saved Joe's ass from his own fan base even after Joe blew him off multiple times before the whole Twitter shitstorm interview with Jack Dorsey.
As someone who has alot of talents, and grew up with supportive parents whom are both successful financially due to being hardworking people, as well as intelligent ones, I have something to say. Talent means very little. It really sucks when you know that your are smarter and more talented than the person standing next to you, but they outdid you because they put more work in. It's really easy to start hating yourself, because on paper, there's no way you can lose, which means that you had to have failed about as much as you possibly could have, or that you maybe even failed intentionally. And here's the thing, failure is unavoidable, regardless of who you are. For the people that have the natural advantage, failure can be especially difficult to accept, and it can destroy you.
My dad was a auto mechanic all of his life, my mom worked at a union carbide factory. My upbringing taught me a lot, work for what you have. Do what's right, the rest will take care of itself.
Dude he said it! This was life changing for me. "Every second you put into something is every second you're getting better at it. If you come home and play video games everyday, you're gonna get REALLY good at video games, man." Awesome.
Haha he's right to a point. I spent years playing a multitude of genres of games but mostly fps. I log on to counterstrike and most people I meet on there are better somehow.
As long it's not made up and if these studies and research fall on fall on false conclusions, it's on those who don't believe it need to constantly challenge it based on studies and research that counter that conclusion. To simply just "use it" doesn't make it correct but takes on the assumption that it is correct. Diligence of pursuing the facts will always favor the debate over rhetoric or misuse of a fact finding theory that has no merit.
With how many researches done these days I wouldn't be surprised you can find a couple to support your idea. Although the integrity of publishers most of the time are questionable.
Yeah, just pulling dumb claims out of your ass when conversing with someone who won’t challenge it is a good idea for Tim. Beanie boy Tim simultaneously argues that socialists want to just strip the rich of their wealth and hate the rich yet also claims a majority of socialist ms are rich and white??? Yeah Che, Bolsheviks etc. the perfect picture of “the silver spoon” Tim is a hack, he can’t even actually discuss issues with socialism without making falsehoods or misunderstanding what socialism actually is.
Artistry Artistry one of the reasons Sam Seder owned him was that Pim Tool kept saying stuff like that and Sam would just say " Oh really? Lets look online right now for that research!" It didn't end well for Timmy
Hiruzen Sarutobi Nobody really understands what socialism is, except of course for the 20-28 year old white male urban hipster who feels bad for the blacks they just gentrified out of the city.
@@johnmoloney1996 AFAIK that mostly applies to the countries colonised or conquered by the British, or that adapted much of their system for whatever other reason. Elsewhere, i.e. in the truly civilised world (jk), higher education (including universities) is either free or reasonably inexpensive to make it affordable for most.
It would be impossible to know. Depends on circumstance, proper direction, upbringing, so on. I believe everyone has an aptitude for something but some never find out what that is.
@@15npaz u know I am 17 yea i grew up most of my life with my mother she was a junkie and my life sucked I had to leave when I was 12 she wasn't a suitable parent and moved in with my nana I started secondary school I rathered have less freinds and stay away from drugs then be arojnd popular kids and probably take drugs because i knew of its effects Most kids would of been like lets go fucking crazy and blamed the world for there problems And i would be a junkie if I stayed living with my mother In my opinion it comes down to the persons character that they built for them selves at a young age You need to show a child consequences for there actions, so they cant blame other people when they do wrong But im only 17 so what do I know 🤣🤣
@@shanemoran4145 I hear you man, I didn't come from much either, very absent family just like you, very troubled past. All I can say is keep going, life doesn't need to look perfect but just make it work, do what your good at, even if it doesn't make you a lot of money at first, don't let anyone tell you to get a cushy job you'll be miserable. I wish I had someone tell me that. It's kinda what I mean by the above quote, find what's right for you and go after it, life is short, especially when you've had a troubled past, do what makes you happy and what you're good at, don't settle, don't let others decide your direction in life
The hard part is finding something you want to do and earn money doing it rather then doing something you don’t want to do for a living, after years of college for business I switch to nursing and am loving it
Mark Pratt thanks! I was 20, just realized I wasn’t interested in business/ desk job, and got lucky enough to find something that i generally enjoy. But there were people of all ahead in my classes so it’s never to late to look into nursing school if you were interested
caleb scott The transitioning out program of the Army, ACAP, told us about this. I forget the number but something like 60-80% of Americans work a job that they don’t like and are unhappy with, but stay for the pay/benefits. They strongly encouraged us to pursue careers that made us happy. I do heating and cooling now, and yeah work can suck and I’m not making six figures, but I love working with my hands and putting something together every day.
Idk if people mean by socialism free health care, affordable housing, good wages, less corporate influence over our lives, environmental protections for poor neighborhoods, them I'm all in... Pretty sure Bernie Sanders doesn't want to ban capitalism... Our country is about equal opportunity right? No one said there had to be an equal outcome. From the looks of it, the poor and downtrodden don't have an equal opportunity. The founding fathers would not applaud today's society I'm pretty sure of that.
Most people when they think of socialism think of Bernie. He is not full on socialist though. He is a capitalist that wants a strong social safety net like you described or the Scandinavian model. Joe is complaining about actual socialist that support complete wealth equality, which historical speaking has never once been achieved in a civilization. Sadly, socialist countries have caused millions to die from corruption and incompetence so hopefully it never makes a real foothold in America.
Free health car = no such thing. Affordable housing = this is not a government provision, housing takes labour to produce, Good Wages = again this is only created by a free market, not the state, wages are competed up by upskilling and innovation. Less corporate influence = what power does a corporation have over your life? if you dont pay your Netflix bill are the police going to turn up at your door? Downtrodden = by who?
Well first off those are *intentions,* results are actually something totally different. If you don't believe me look up "war on poverty" for instance. The only safety net we need is a basic income, not government bureaucracy.
@@jamesandrew1750 Well laws are practically made by private interest groups, aka corporations, lobbying politicians. So that apparently is a good thing in your book. I'd say that affects our lives a lot... Also, been waiting for the market to give us wages that keep pace with the cost of living for decades. Clearly hasn't happened... and never will. When people say free health care, they mean socialized health care. And it is in fact cheaper overall because we don't have private insurer middlemen scraping a fat premium off of poor people who need health care... If you are't for making the nation a better place for all then what the hell do you even stand for? You stand for selfishness man. You stand for nothing.
It is sad that when ppl are asked what they would you do with their life if money was no object...they have no idea...society dosent teach you about yourself, only how to be a compliant cog in the systemic wheel. No one knows who they are anymore, they just know what society demands of them..
Absolutely!! It's not education, it's indoctrination. People are commodities in a completely free market. That in itself should be enough to make some changes to a faulty system, but no! Common sense isn't common, nor is it a gift any more🤷♂️
@@jessiewalker8547 first off, no the Nazis weren't socialist. Again, no. I disliked the video because they didn't even talk about socialism but rather a stupid caricature of a socialist. Not to mention Joe Rogan is more leftie, but is talking crap on lefties because of his guest
@@Reedskiii Believing that you must agree with your "side" on every issue and never criticize it on anything is exactly what is wrong with this country.
Tim Pool and Joe Rogan were simply incorrect at the beginning. Proportionally, those with the most positive association with Socialism and those making under $50,000 a year and those who are Black. I know this is an old video but here is one poll from June 2021 that asked American questions such as "Do you have a positive or negative reaction to the word capitalism?" and "Do you have a positive or negative reaction to the word socialism?". From this poll, the higher your salary, the more positive association you have with capitalism: 51% of the respondents who made below $50,000 a year had a positive view of capitalism and 44% had a negative view. Meanwhile, for those making $100,000+, 71% had a positive view of capitalism and 26% had a negative view. For their association with socialism, the higher the salary, the more negative association with socialism: 49% of those making less than $50,000 had a positive view of socialism and 45% of that same group had a negative view of socialism. Meanwhile, only 34% of those making $100,000+ had a positive view of socialism and 62% had a negative view. As for the Races listed (Black, White, Other, and Hispanic), Black people had the most negative view of capitalism and the most positive view of socialism. Meanwhile, White people had the most positive view of capitalism and the most negative view of socialism. www.surveymonkey.com/curiosity/axios-capitalism-update/ This was only for America. Internationally, the places where socialism has had the biggest impact are Latin America and South East Asia, not exactly the whitest and richest places in the world.
They did that because the profile of socialist Americans is not what socialists would anticipate. They think they're helping the poor underprivileged minorities, but it is actually a an upper class perspective, which happens to be white.
@@phil5037 There is no real evidence of that beyond preconceived feelings. Even if it were, them having an "upper class" and "white" perspective says nothing about whether it would actually help the poor.
@@phil5037 How exactly are we using the term "socialist" though? I brought up their discussion of race and identity because it seemed like they were discussing SJWs and people with white guilt as if they are the "socialist types." They ignored the fact that there is a huge difference between being socially progressive and actually being a socialist. I'm not sure were you and Tim Pool found this study but It sounds like you’re talking about neoliberals and corporate democrats.
@@Mattwashere2013 I believe I can help clarify. Socialism is on it's face an identity politics issue: the nature of the divide is those who have and those who have not. While at first glance it may seem devoid of the rabbit hole that is I.P. due to the lack of race/sex/religious contention being strictly necessary in a socialist system, there is still tension and conflict between two Identities (as I referrerd to them; haves and have nots.) I hope you read this in the spirit it was intended. Godspeed
Joe is a chameleon, he really tries to understand and empathize with his guests. You rarely will see Joe take a hard line against a guests views. Don't forget he does this podcast to earn money 😉
Dude if you actually listen to Tim Pool, i'm very sorry for you. I tried listening to his shows and he's always making the worst strawmans, using the worst extreme arguments and generally doesn't make much sense.
@@jmorris023 Tim's one of the few fair journalists still out there. He cites multiple sources and uses sites from both sides to get a more reasonable perspective. He just calls out more liberal politics because they're the ones lying, cheating and gaming the system for their own power over the people.
@@Khay-77 conservatives have lied and cheated just as much as republicans. Voter suppression? Gerrymandering? If your ingrained bias wont allow you to see that, you need go step back for a minute and reevaluate. Also Tim isnt a Liberal, all of his videos are just trashing Liberals constantly, ALL OF THEM. I cant blame him though, like most on both the right AND left, his heart is with the money.
The saddest thing is that the strength that can come from being born into humble means is stolen from kids instead of fostered in them in our school system. When a kid goes through something bad, no matter what it is, responsible adults should be telling them they can get through it and coaching the kids how to do that, instead, we focus on whose fault it is, which doesn't help anyone.
My cousin’s family is rich as fuck. He went from MN to a state college in Washington, so he could know what it was like to be poor...He spends his time going to protests and pretending to be Jack Kerouac in Europe. He’s 30 now and never had a job. He has helped no one. He’s a spoiled child, who will waste his life. I’m an Iraq Vet and an electrician. He says I don’t get it.
@@sussusamogus9596 "The most interesting conservatives are banned from UA-cam Steven Crowder for instance" Steven Crowder is an interesting conservative?
The idea that if people work hard enough and persevere they "can find their apex" and succeed is missing one very important variable: dumb fu*king luck. You take can take two people with identical skills and abilities, have them both work equally to the same high degree and persevere equally as strong, and you will still end up with two varying levels of success. The outcomes could even be greatly dramatic, or perhaps slight. But they will be different bases on the breaks they get or don't get, meeting the right people, suffering tragic loss, etc
But they also mention learning and finding THEIR apex. Not everyone is going to be the best at something cuz there can only be one. But if one learns and keeps going, there is no doubt that they will be successful in one way or another. The true challenge is to challenge yourself to become better and for hardships to become lessons.
In high school I wore a beanie because we were allowed to wear hats, which isn’t normal in my state but we couldn’t wear our hats backwards (a “snap back” is more comfortable backwards for me) so to get around the rule I wore a beanie lol.
Joe's Political views varies based on the guest he has. It's hard to figure out where he stands Politically because he agrees with whatever his guest's Political views are.
People say that like it's a bad thing. It just shows how not everything is black and white and how there are compelling arguments for each side. Its not that his view change, its just that everyone on each side says something he agrees with.
@@dddeadlift In socialist society basically everything you work for or worked for isn't yours, you basically just give all your money and success to the government and then the government hands the money out to people who don't work, so nobody becomes successful and at the end of the day nobody wants to work anymore and the rich pack their bags and leave the country so where is the money gonna come from if nobody works and the rich who own the major companies and businesses leave
man that was the most off the road discussion about socialism. half way through i just checked the title again to remind myself what it was originally about.
There's a nice video presentation of the essay on UA-cam too. Another interesting thing to look up and read... George Orwell's evisceration of socialists in the second part of his, _The Road to Wigan Pier_. Keep in mind, Orwell was a socialist. Had he lived past 1950 and contemplated the scale of slaughter coming out of the Ukraine, I bet he would have altered his stance.
"If there is not equality of outcomes among people born to the same parents and raised under the same roof, why should equality of outcomes be expected-or assumed-when conditions are not nearly so comparable?" Thomas Sowell
Tim goes on. Joe Rogan: Socalism sucks
Bernie goes on. Joe Rogan: Socalism is good
Nah, he just wanted viewers.. He is Trump Fanboy through and through, he is just sneaky about it.
Bernie is only a socialist in the general U.S. sense (medicare for all). He's closer, but real socialists want public ownership of all production
@@sub-harmonik Don't forget that he goes around praising communist countries, introduced legislation for worker-owned businesses, pushes for equity instead of equality, and can't actually come up with a way to pay for any of his plans that doesn't involve eating the rich. If he's not a socialist, then he's just incompetent.
Bernie may call himself Socialist, but I care more about POLICY.
Bernie's policies WERE Social Democratic not Democratic Socialism.
America is stupid as fuck for not nominating him as the so-called "progressive party's" nominee.
Instead we have a flakier version of Trump in Biden - who confuses his own wife with his sister! Sound familiar?
Final thought: Both parties are regressive shitshows.
@@feeziwigfloyd7517 poor people richer, stable lifes, no third party mafia thugs like health insurance, country is stable and does not go through boom bust cycles, corporations pay taxes not 0% like amazon, everybody is happy.. look at canada, scandinavia, richest EU countries and then think about facts not retards on FOX and CNN
To Tim's point that people are raised not knowing where things come from: Early on in the Oprah years (mid- to late-eighties, I think), Ms. Winfrey had some farmers on the show discussing how tough it was to be farmers and the damage being done by government regulation and big agribusiness firms to the family and small farmers of this country. The farmers were characterized as the villains in the scenario. At the point where it was opened up for audience questions, after the farmers had been thoroughly demonized by other guests, one audience member asked the question, "Why do we need farmers?" One farmer replied, "Where are you going to get the vegetables and meat that you enjoy each day?" The audience member, a 30-something female, replied, "I'll just go to the grocery store and get it like I always do!" So the phenomenon of people not knowing is not new.
That is SCARY STUPID. I am amazed at how dumb our society is when 30 YEAR OLDS ARE THAT DUMB!
I remember that crap. Couldn't believe what I was watching.
That example right there is why my cousin, a former infantryman and PTSD advocate, refused to go on her show in 2009.
He said he didnt trust her and how she would present him or the disorder.
Damn
Hell, up until only a few years ago it was also:
"Why do we need farmers?"
"Because our most important export by far is grain. That is how we keep the US dollar as strong as it is. Other countries need us to survive."
"It's easy to be a saint in paradise"
- Captain Benjamin Sisko
I love a good DS9 reference. Sisko is my second favorite Captain behind Archer even though they're basically the same type.of character.
Good story arc. Still relevant today.
@@joeclaridy archer really to each their own, sisko was great kirk is a tie with him imo and then picard then archer.
dosran I’m a Picard man myself, but Jesus that new series sucked
Sisko Is the the best captain because he is the most human.
"Money has no inherent value; it's the work we do for each other [that has value]." Great quote.
"Wealth is worthless in the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death.
" -Proverbs
19:50 Tim Pool endorses socialism
@@tyfeliz5202 He's explaining that money is representative of productive work, what he's saying has nothing to do with central planning or price fixing
@@jamesandrew1750 Imagine if productive work for the sake of being productive was the drive for society.
@@tyfeliz5202
Japan's like that. It's also socially dysfunctional and falling apart as a result under the mask the weaboos and other imbeciles blindly worship.
Joe “Some days I like Socialism and sometimes I don’t” Rogan
Isn't that how we all feel? Socialism sounds good, I just think it would be terrible compared to capitalism once implemented. Now capitalism with a UBI? That's a totally different story. Teaching people to be successful in a capitalist system would be awesome.
@@calmexit6483 if we had real capitalism in would agree. We have unfettered capitalism that is impossible to win in unless you start on 3rd base. Just look at our president.
dark ray it’s really not that hard to succeed in our system, acquire a skill that makes you hard to replace, you’ll be fine. Or become so elite at a field that is heavily crowded, so you stick out
@@tyronehoard Jeff Bezos's father, adoptive father who raised him from childhood, was a cuban refugee who came to the US as a teen who couldn't even speak a lick of english. He became an oil engineer, gave Jeff Bezos a middle class life, and was among the first to invest in Amazon when it was a small business. Who's richer Trump or Jeff Bezos? Not even a question
ColemanCulture in what conversations has joe liked socialism?
Playback speed settings to use:
Joe Rogan: 1.25x
Tim Pool: 0.75x
This is fucking perfect!
Joe talks slowly to slow others down and make himself seem smarter.
Its actually quite genius.
I like letting Joe’s “dude bro weed” voice wash over me
NinjaKing. nah he’s just doesn’t like to talk fast cuz it’s harder to understand. the millions listening to his podcast daily actually want to understand the things being said, talking slower does that very effectively
@@brendanomalley7603 u probably right
Bragging about myself, concerning this video. I am 68 years old. in 5 minutes ,after your video ends , I am going to a local Park to play guitar for free, Because covid restrictions have dried up all my gigs. I do not see my fellow guitarists out busking while I am out there. This is my 6th year trying to be a professional musician. So, I am the low cost provider in an very thin field of old musicians. Shit will happen...... Thanks for doing what you do.
Good luck man! Do you have a page or website where I could support you?
@Jay Smith Sure. Go to Bandcamp.com , type in my name. Buy a couple songs. Pay extra for them. Suggest people hire me. Thanks
Needed to see this, trying to make videos about current events or ideas and i get bogged down and discouraged in not being "perfect". Think im going to go bear bones and just talk.
Rock on mr. Degner, rock on.
do you have videos?
I somehow managed to move out of the ghetto to getting my nursing license and degrees amd working 50-60 hour weeks while living cheaply. It took me 5 years out of college but I did it. I also worked on my career and attained medical related jobs and make 3 times as much as did starting out in my career.
it's interesting how some people will find a way to better there situation come hell or high water, and how some people will fuck up every opportunity they're given. at the end of the day you either make it out or you don't. my situation mirrors what you describe, at no point was it anyone else's responsibility but my own to make my life better.
@@anthologyofinterest1 it's too bad some people dont have to prove themselves to anyone and just make millions off of stock dividends
@@anthologyofinterest1 Yeah but the point that people try to get across is that not everyone gets equal opportunities. I just been coasting in school enjoying life my whole life because my parents have 2 properties in the millions. I make alot of money on the side of being a student by buying and selling shoes, stock trading etc. through 0% interest loans from my parents. So is it not slightly unfair for "the good life" to just be handed to me on a platter?
Ok, good job? All you in here and Joe and Tim are ALL misrepresenting the issue here. You shouldn't HAVE to slave away to carve out a comfortable living. It doesn't fucking matter all this shit about "well there are people here in poverty living better than a lot of the world", it's about the INSANE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH AT THE TOP in THIS country compared to how we tread our poorest. The PEOPLE worked to create this nation of wealth yet the shit's been rigged to constantly funnel more and more of it up to fewer and fewer richer and richer people dude. You're looking at everything the way the ones up top WANT you to look at it instead of looking at it for what it really is.
Was about to say some socialist would still find a way to advocate for socialism but I see@@michaelhaydenbell already did it. Socialism’s killed more than nazism and it’s bankrupted at least 10 economies in history. It’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. The rich shitstains who weasel around the law and fuck you without Vaseline won’t lose their social status or wealth. They will accrue more power. The only difference is we’ll all be equally poor on governemebt programs with no other options. Please take a look a communist China. If that is appealing to you I will personally buy your plane ticket.
Truck drivers are the backbone of our economy. They are the unsung heros.
and heeeere, comeeee, the automated trucks
While i can agree that they are important, they are not the backbone. to play devils advocate here, what about the diesel mechanics? The manufacture's who make the goods you ship, the farmers who produce food. The list goes on and truthfully the vast majority of skilled labor is just as important as the next. It takes all of us doing our part.
@@sswmetalhead good point
@@dariyoon There will more than likely still be a human on board for multiple reasons, instead of driving, they serve a different purpose. security, problem solving, cargo Verification, etc.... you would be surprised how many issues arise from the shipping manifest (BOL). There is still a conductor on train for christ sake.
Yeah all workers play a part but that doesn't mean truck drivers aren't the backbone. Let's say we cancel corn, we would be fine. Coffee, sports, luxury cars, etc. Pretty specific, niche like things that all have an impact but we can survive that pretty easily.
Water, power, internet and truck drivers. You lose any of those and you're looking at another great depression at best.
Tim "...tend to be white"
Joe "obviously you're generalizing"
Tim "yeah.. that's what 'tend' means"
Except he's factually wrong
@@CarlosHernandez-zf8vm this is the part where you prove he's wrong
@@SASMADBRUV7 www.cato.org/blog/59-americans-have-favorable-views-capitalism-59-have-unfavorable-views-socialism
@@CarlosHernandez-zf8vm while the percentage among white people is less than among black. But there are many more white people. So in total, you will get more white people favoring socialism. Not per capita, just in general.
@@user-lx4jr4pt8p is that supposed to be an argument? There's more white people of pretty much everything in a country where there's more white people in general. The data that matters IS the per capita.
It also depends on how you measure “success”, if you love being a garbage man, and you work hard at it- that’s success. Don’t let society measure it for you. Big mistake.
Indeed as a culture we overvalue money, houses, cars, etc. I argue that internet and social media has destroyed community which was already on the decline because the school system destroys the family unit
the problem is that in order it live a happy life you need to make somewhat of a livable wage, which is i think around 70,000$’s, but ppl on average are making much lower than that. everyone should have the ability to make a livable wage no matter what they love doing
100% my man. Do what makes you happy and git good at it
@@nothinginhiding IDEALLY we all should be able to do what ever we want (within reason) and make a living wage. It's been that way in the US for a while, but if we keep allowing the Marxists to shrink the middle class, that is going to be the case less and less often. the goal of socialism / communism is to make EVERYBODY so poor and desperate that you do whatever they tell you because you just want to eat. I remember hearing about in the 80s in the USSR that the government would choose your job for you, more or less. If communism ever takes over the US the only people with any choices will be those in the government / have government connections.
According to Nietzsche, masters are creators of morality; slaves respond to master morality with their slave morality. Slave morality is based on devaluing that which the master values and the slave does not have.
Bingo.... Karl Marx was a lawyer’s kid who mooched off his pArents
I'm pretty sure parents are supposed to support their kids, but okay idiot
Coley Buckalew he lived off his parents and his brother in law for most of his life
@@Wrthwry lol found the 30 year old living in mom's basement
Oskari Peurala Oof. Sounds like a projection from your end
@@Wrthwry it's true tho, marx mooched off of friends and family
“If you don’t make things, there are no things.” ~ Elon Musk
Tell that to Wall Street, which manufactures wealth out of nothing. It's a faux economy, but it drives the US neoliberal system as we outsource factories, stocks soar.
@BeerGrills They create bubbles that do not reflect actual value, but rather they've learned how to artificially inflate wealth and speculation to make a quick buck. Whoever is left holding the bag when it pops is ruined. You're dishonest if you don't admit that outsourcing jobs is the real economy, which involves making things rather than invisible speculation and investment in nebulous concepts. That's why the corporate media measures economic health based on Wall Street stock values, because what they really care about is the health of stocks for the rich, not main street.
@Curtis Beardsley Yes, indeed, and the statistics bear this out.. The middle class is shrinking and income inequality growing annually. The Cares Act was the largest upward transfer of wealth in human history. Trump is a symptom of this disenchantment with the failed American experiment.
Bob Jones this is obnoxious. Read the room.
@@keelyatlover739 Feel free to debate my points with evidence, not insults or clichés. If you can't, get lost.
There was a guy in a reverse Q&A I saw from Portland University who made one of the best points I've ever heard. He mentioned how he visited Nepal, and they had no concept of social justice because they were more concerned about whether they were gonna eat that day. But when he came back to America, realized: "Social justice is a privileged concept for privileged people. To be able to think of everyone, and think that somehow you can solve everyone else's problems because you don't have any of your own."
@Maple_Hobbit That's essentially saying that if you're poor, you don't have human rights to worry about--since that's exactly what social justice issues are--issues in which people's basic rights are being threatened. And that, of course, is ridiculous. Simply because you're poor, that doesn't mean you don't have rights that can be threatened and taken away, it simply means that it's harder for you to speak out because you're having to focus on your basic survival on a daily basis. In fact, some of the poorest countries in the world have some the worst social justice issues, because they don't have the financial means with which to fight back, thus making it easier for their government to suppress their rights. Nations throughout Latin America, Africa, and Asia are perfect examples of this. Take a look at the governments of El Salvador, Nigeria, and North Korea (to name just three of multiple examples) and you'll see nations in which governments torture, jail, and disappear people (make them vanish). In all of them, the people are extremely poor, and the atrocities committed against them continue because they don't have the means with which to fight back. It's easy for that person to say that poor nations don't have social justice issues when they're not the ones living there. Try living there, however, under the rule of those governments, and it's an entirely different story. Simply because he didn't see the issues, that doesn't mean they don't exist.
Yes only rich assholes don't realize this immediately. Its painfully obvious.
@@ravenestrella2310 everything you described is a result of poverty. Money=power.
Only in a prosperous capitalist country can true progressive movements be found. Anywhere you find true freedom, you’ll find capitalism.
Tao Tao You misinterpret. He’s saying you can only turn focus towards things like social justice when other larger problems have been solved, like mass poverty, famine, etc. Capitalist countries have those issues solved. So now we turn our attention to the next set of problems and so on.
Every person I know who lived under socalism loves capitalism. Every person I know who benefitted from capitalism who supports socalism lives in a bubble of comfort and privilege.
Great comment. That's so true.
Look into Russian shock therapy after the fall of the soviet union and see how much those citizens loved capitalim.
@@thegreenstache6163 what's your point?
@@oddoutdoors That it sounds like you aren't aware of the harm capitalism has done, and are talking about people living in bubbles.
@@thegreenstache6163 and communism hasn't done any harm? I'm not saying capital is perfect or even good. I'm just saying exactly what I said.
"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually, you run out of other people's money." - Margaret Thatcher
No wonder all the flourishing European countries are doing so badly with their free education/healthcare and longer lifespans and higher educational test scores etc etc
@@rudeboyjim2684 They applied it awhile ago, when they aren't as diverse agreeing in getting taxed high equally. USA is a different beast, we're talking about a really diverse country that constantly welcomes people from other country who come to the US with their own - for the most part- weak currency that has to be adjusted to the US currency. And US Capitalism brought a lot of competition that made a lot of patents, inventions and innovations possible in all fields from science, medicine, and other breakthroughs. This website you're watching your video in is a product of capitalism. The USA has made a lot of sacrifices in itself to push progress, mostly driven by capitalism. That ever so ubiquitous Tesla cars in Norway? Made and patented in the US. If you wanna get taxed 40%, get out of the US and stay there, and wait and benefit for the breakthroughs done by the capitalist behemoth.
Raja Ronaldo the argument doesn’t work for SO many reasons. 1) I’ll take 60,000 less health-care related deaths, WAY lower rates of depression, better education and all the things that are meaningful in life to more Teslas etc. 2) all of those countries have capitalistic economies, but they understand that unfettered capitalism leads to the 2008 banking crisis, (Iceland deregulated their banks in 2008 also, and they bankrupted themselves). You don’t need libertarianism to stimulate invention. In fact, think of all the people who are busy slogging away at a 9-5 and don’t have the resources to go to school, invest, or innovate because they lack necessary capital. America could be way better-but our middle class is disappearing.
3) under FDR we had up to a 90% top marginal tax rate in the golden age of American dominance. Now we are losing out to China because we have a beefed up financial industry but don’t actually make that many THINGS, just loans and bonds and stocks and mortgage backed securities etc. when other countries call our bluff, the economy is going to crash.
The trouble with right wing neoliberalism is that you eventually run out of public assets to flog off and taxes to bail out failed capitalists
@@gartner101 Not really, though. You just print more money and defund more public services to justify it to your voters.
"The only thing worse than a poor Communist is a rich one"
Tbf, the only thing worse than a rich capitalist, is a poor one.
Like when I'm lectured on the negatives of basic healthcare by some poor-ass American who couldn't even afford to pull a rotten tooth, but preaches whatever right-wing economists say.
Isn't this a Peter Schiff quote? I heard it recently.
Simon Farre your a commi
Grubby bum your a commi
@@mitchlesinski7803 *you're
“Capitalism is evil and I never saw my dad” 🤣
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@Ginger Ginger dirty capitalism requires slaves when people are driven by profit. The great thing about dirty capitalism is it can exist at the same time as clean capitalism. Do you think you have no other options besides the big corporations?
Ginger Ginger @praescribo is a George Bush Burner account
@Ginger Ginger eer... nope. Socialism requires slaves. Can confirm as a Russian. Old people told me a lot about soviet times
@Ginger Ginger if you think paying taxes and having roads, military, schooling is socialist, then you have a very twisted view. That is the role of government, but the role of government isn't to control everything
Tim "I can jump pretty high on a skateboard" Pool
Have you seen him skateboard? He's pretty good
He’s actually really fuckin good
Success isn’t just about money. I am not rich nor am I poor but family and friends is my wealth.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
Yeah, my goal is to eat sushi all the time. To do that I need money cause it’s expensive (15$ for sushi buffet). To gain money I need to work hard and save all my revenue to invest more and more. Until I have dividends that pay my monthly expenses and sushi 👍
I equate success with happiness. What good is money if you don't have the people you love around you? I'd rather live under a bridge with my wife than be rich without her.
@@enriquellerena4779 I want to build my own village by hand in the woods. I like your sushi dream 👌
You say that cuz your broke
Sorry Tim but you really look like Meg Griffin in this clip
damn i thought there was a mosquito on my screen!
@@Chorizosabroso nice
Shut up Tim.
@@Chorizosabroso no that's just Tim!
He sounds like a more depressed Ben Shapiro
benny pitt how is a he a neo-con hypocrite?
Lmfao this dude is a loser
@benny pitt Tim Poole isn't a Liberal lol
Morgan 1081
He's "center left" according to him.
@benny pitt ^
"Socialism produces bad art, bad music, social stagnation and really unhappy people."
- Frank Zappa
really really unhappy haters
Have you seed soviet music? It was the fucking bomb. Art? Have you seen soviet avant-garde? Maleevich, Kandinsky Tatlin?
Not to mention that people weren't unhappy. In fact today most people who lived under socialism want back. From east Germany and Kazakhstan to Russia and Czechia.
@@nielshansen8548 stop
You know who else produced bad music? Frank Zappa.
Sure he has some good material, but he also released a truly unprecedented amount of unlistenable garbage.
@@22andresmiguelFrank was straight edge. Never drank or did drugs and expected the same from his band
"I don't take a day off, ever! I took a day off yesterday."
You can see hin becoming motivational speaker in the future
I’d love to see a compilation of all the times he’s said that, cause I already count 2 times - this sushi time he speaks of in this episode and the day after the election cause he was exhausted. Just clarifying, I think it’s fantastic he takes days off, but he always prefaces that with “I never take days off”
9:34: Tim Pool: *"I don't take days off... **_(dramatic pause)_** ... EVER"*
Tim Pool 1 second later: *"I took a day off yesterday"*
You mean 9:34? Dyslexia much?
@@briz6368 Me: *I don't make time-stamp mistakes.... ever.*
Me 1 second later: _Edits time-stamp mistake._
Briz is always lying in wait....
ALWAYS
Right wingers: "Those stats dont mean anything.."
Right Wingers 1 second later: "But you cant deny these stats haha owned!!!"
Theodore J. Oaker better luck next time.
Joe "my political opinions reflect who I have on the show today" Rogan
There’s something in agreeing with someone that gets them to open up and talk more. Could totally be an interview method.
@Curtis Beardsley can u explain that more please
No, it just means that he can have an open mind and isn’t restricted to one specific point of view.
@Sports and Gaming I doubt its an interview tactic. I love Joe but he just has no ideology and is ignorant. He lacks a framework for understanding things so he will generally agree with anything that can't be debunked with general common sense.
Joe's political opinions don't change with whoever he has on the show that day. He simply plays devil's advocate in each interview. It's an interviewing technique that causes the person being interviewed to open up more with their opinions and allows them to explain WHY they believe what they believe. When the interviewer portrays agreement with the interviewee, it's an interview. When the interviewer argues the entire time with the interviewee, it's a debate.
Someone just brought "Tytler's cycle" to my attention. Basically the idea that culture is in constant flux between scarcity and abundance, and people raised in abundance don't understand how to strive and become complacent... whereas people born in scarcity have to struggle to survive and learn to be self sufficient... I always kinda new this but never knew the phenomena had a name.
It's a pretty silly concept and often people cherry pick a GREAT deal to justify their personal biases.
Plenty of Boomers seem to think they are the strivers that built a great society, ignoring the fact they benefited from a great many systems they now label "socialism"
I'd point out as a counterpoint that pretty much every person who has contributed to human advancement has done so from a place of "abundance"
Basically, poor people don't have time to invest in thinking or invention because they're struggling to survive. Examine through history who has invented more things, created more art, or advanced our understanding most.
You won't find many peasants.
The peasants you DO find will have been fortunate enough to benefit from patronage from the rich.
In the last 100-300 years opportunities have certainly opened up (industrialism taught the elite that they can exploit the intelligence of the serfs and it has worked out rather well for them, despite antipathy to "social programs" that enable this) but I genuinely think my point still stands.
If the world worked according to the principle you described there would be FAR less inherited wealth, it would be the exception, not the rule. The fact that fortunes ARE lost is not compelling evidence, because that pattern tends to be one of indolence, decadence, or incompetence. Not "complacency"
We would instead see the rise and fall of nations on a generational basis. We'd see all of the best innovation from the poorest nations.
What we wouldn't see is time after time the nations with the best scientists being those that invest most heavily in educating (there's a reason the US nicked all of the top Nazi and Soviet scientists)
@@DmGray Thats quite the dissertation you wrote their. I think the fundamental point is that society is not as rigid as some would like to believe, every peasant is descended from a king and every king is descended from a peasant. I do agree with you that up until the industrial revolution the majority of the population were required to work as unfree agricultural labor, serfs or slaves, in order to ward off famine and create the surplus for the military class and bourgeois... thats what I think is missing from the revisionist history perspective; most of the "oppression" you see historically was necessary and its wrong to project modern values back on them. And yes the people at the top have a responsibility to reinvest in the workers and leaders of tommorow. Corruption is part and parcel of complacency.
Loved his point about the blessings and importance of struggle, and how it builds good character... he put it a different way, that there “is a benefit from being dealt a shitty hand of cards” in typical Joe Rogan fashion! ♥️♥️♥️
Complete bullshit.
@@dowdallerno1 easy for you to say.
@@G1ennbeckismyher0 yea?
@@dowdallerno1 yep. Being rich doesn't guarentee an easy life. Rich kids who never see their parents go on to live a drug infested dystfunctional life that hurts everybody around them and posions their family tree downstream. Money isn't everything.
@@G1ennbeckismyher0 it's a lot better than being dirt poor.
For a video titled "Tim Pool's Problem with Socialism", it's interesting that we didn't get any sort of discussion actually about socialism.
Its almost like tim pools too dumb to understand what socialism is
@@Knixon-tl5oc he's actually being sued by his brother over theft.
@@hellfirdragon17 what lmao, what did he steal
@@Knixon-tl5oc his website and youtube page, I think. His brother built a community and he stole it from him.
@@waleuska His brother actually willingly gave him the company (subverse) after he said he wasn't doing anything with it. There's even chatlogs between the both of them talking about it. His brother is upset because the company got funding from the creator of minds.com long after he left it.
"I can jump pretty high" -Tim Pool. Reach for the stars my guy.
I guess you don’t know much about skateboarding.
One of the largest apartment builders in the USA was not born into it, he started out selling sandwiches to fieldworkers from the back of his car. AG Spanos Company is the reward for his efforts.
And? For every case of someone "making it" I can find you 10 of people getting fucked over by poverty.
@@andrewjensen8189 so what? everybody can't obviously succeed. most of the people fail and die without amounting to anything and its fine
@@sten260 So what? People need to stop romanticizing the 0.00001% of people that actually go from zero to hero. 90% of rich people had rich parents, not poor ones. Its sad because stories like this commenter's are what leads the back-breakingly poor people to become complacent in their waiting for the American dream to "pick them".
@@andrewjensen8189 you do realize those 0.00001% people made it possible for you to have all that shit in your house? There are very few people who can build wealth. The whole point of capitalism is to move resources and money to those few individuals. So they can turn their 100 million into 200 million. 99% of population can't do that. If you give a million dollars to a random bloke on street, he is going to spend it on himself. He doesn't hire people to build new shit for us. So nobody benefits from it. If the government tax rich and gives it to the "poor" that means they literally destroy wealth. If you do that hard enough those rich people are gonna take their capital and leave the country. Then you are stuck with a bunch of poor workers and no capital. So you get Venezuela. Use some common sense...
@@sten260 You must have misinterpreted what I meant. The 0.000001% of people I was talking about NEVER statistically speaking make it into the top 10% of the wealthiest 3%, and it is that 10% of the 3% that you are speaking of which "build new shit for us". And I could easily offer a sound argument as for why/how the wealth accumulation among the richest has become obscene, and they realistically could continue innovating at the same rate while living extremely comfortable lives with a fraction of their income/overall wealth, but that isn't relevant to my og comment. All I was pointing out is that it is sad that so many lower class people buy up the rhetoric of "all rich people worked hard to get where they are, so all I have to do is apply myself in life and I will become successful". That rhetoric is just a mental band-aid created by the rich to keep the working class hopeful and efficient, and they cling to it so strongly now because with the wealth gap trending in the wrong way they need to believe in something that will calm them down. The fact is, that aside from a small handful of overnight billionaires, the majority of the super-rich are made up of generational wealth that was built in previous centuries in times where plunder, slavery and other illegitimate business practices generated incredible wealth that could (and would go on to) support the guilty families indefinitely.
"People who are socialists are all white." Ignores the Black Panthers, MLK, Malcom X, Boots Riley, Angela Davis, Kwame Ture, W.E.B. Dubois, Sandanistas, Cuban Revolution, Zapatista Movement, and on and on.....
most socialists then. Happy? do you understand generalizations yet?
it was obviously was a generalization, i think we all know that it’s not all white ppl but it’s the majority
@@admiralMcmufin Vietnam and China before they became capitalist. Thomas Sankara in Africa. Socialism is an anti imperialist doctrine. The majority of socialists have been nonwhite!!! You also have the teachings of Christ a Middle Eastern Jew. I can keep going...
@@justinboyd8383 you sure you want to back a guy who condoned ethical ownage of slaves? Render unto Ceasar? That sound socialist to you? What even is your non argument? socialism is an anti logic doctrine. And the vast majority of socialists in functioning non socialist societies are still overwhelmingly white. JUSTIN. lmao white Boyd.
Not all the people you listed are socialist.
Tim: “I don’t take days off, ever”
Tim: “I took a day off yesterday”
Something a little bit fishy there.
he had bad sushi...
He was pointing out that whenever he would rarely take a day off it sucks. He had bad sushi for example.
PC GameBoy true...still it’s a little bit fishy
@@JoeySwanders that'll be the sushi
Mike Newell indeed...
Without getting too deep into it "success" does not mean the same thing to everyone, and shouldn't. If someone defines it as becoming a billionaire then 99.9% could realistically never achieve it. I can live a pretty happy "simple" life in general without being "rich". Adjusting one's target for success is something to consider.
mlj rotag very good perspective.
that's a very good point and the same line of thinking separates leftist economics and politics from right economics and politics. if there were a company making billions a year in revenue that alone is seen as a success, regardless of how little the workers for that same company get paid or the quality of those workers' lives. or the aim of the government and how the right simply cares about numbers on paper like GDP, debt and the deficit (they only care when they aren't in office), yet those hardly tell the story of the citizens' lives. if a country has a high GDP and low deficit, this is seen as a success regardless if 50% of that same country's citizens live in poverty. same goes for foreign countries leadership, as there are a number of times where a country has a military dictator as its leader supported by the US and western profit-driven media says this country is successful regardless of how many people that US supported dictator has killed or what they do to their people. such as Cuba where Castro was terrible and violent, yet many in the US and western media were not nearly as hostile towards Cuba when they were led by Fulgencio Batista who killed more people than Castro but he was supported by the US so no one says anything about it. and many Democrats who are centrist and center-right have the same view on what "success" looks like regardless of the lives of the average people
I agree; that's an excellent way to view "success."
I make a decent living doing what I love working for myself. That’s my definition
My goal is to help make billionaire literally impossible
Some guys have an easier time than me. Mostly because they’re smarter and work harder than me. I can live with that. Those that can’t accept that are insane.
Well said. It all comes down to how bad you want it/how much you even care.
But that isn't what any logical people are arguing, in fact the majority of people in favor of socialized healthcare, and more government involvement in social securities etc. are against pure socialism. Some people see the benefits of a hybrid system in other western countries, and are interested in the idea.
Your comment is true in some cases, and obviously dedication and motivation is one of the driving factors of success, but the other driver of success is capital/access to capital. My parents purchased their house for $800k, now it is worth $4mil, as well as inheriting a $5mil small scale rental apartment building. So no matter what I do in life, I can have financial security. I am the youngest of 3 kids, my 25 year old sister decided to quit her job to start a company (while living in a 60% off subsidized apartment in the most expensive city in my country), my brother decided to cash out and pursue a career in ski instructing, and I am taking sizeable 0% interest loans (as well as countless handouts from grandparents, gifts etc.), and I am clearing around $20k a year buying and selling shoes, consoles, stock trading, and other ventures.
I have a close friend who has lived in a very small house with his single dad his whole life, they rent.
Who here has the easier life?
@@andrewjensen8189 They mentioned this in the video too. Clearly some people are born in your position and that is a fact, but what is the solution to that?
Your parents put in the hard work to acquire that wealth and now they have a foundation where their children can start higher up on the ladder than they themselves did and have a sort of safety net to keep them out of poverty even if they fail or do nothing (like many born into wealth do).
So what is the solution? Do we punish people like your parents for building that foundation by taking a large amount of that money away to give to others?
You ever been broke and gotten cancer?
@@quincy-2000 No, but my point is that the people who claim hard work is the only ingredient to success is just plain wrong. The most proven ingredient to success, is a successful family.
And that it also my point, my parents worked, but not any harder than anyone else. They just took out a 400k mortgage, and go lucky with their assets going up 3 million. They were given handouts by their parents, and the cycle continues.
It is stupid to ignore the opportunity discrepancies' between classes in the western world.
Most wealth inequalities are not racial based, they are class based. It is just easier for the rich to blame race, as it takes more of the pressure of blame off of them.
"It hasn't worked because it hasn't been done by me." - Arrogant College Students.
No, thats just a moronic Canadian professor.
Every socialist/commuist under the sun can tell you that it didn't work because of constant terrorism and economical and political sabotage US engaged in towards the socialist states.
And any reasonable socialist/communist would tell you that it worked incredibly well driven the circumstances.
Tim: I don’t take a day off
Rogan: “That’s weird”
Tim: I never take that beanie off
Me: That's weird...
Tim IS weird 😂
Well, the homeless don't take day offs either. Is that supposed to be a flex?
@@metalmk6839 have you noticed that he sounds like he's being played at 1.25 playback speed? I'm gonna slow him down and see if he works right.
America works for longer than most of Europe, for a while that was productive but now that's debatable
But we currently have socialism for the rich. They aren't talking about that. Bailouts are socialism for corporations. In a capitalist system, companies who don't save and now are going bankrupt see tossed aside. If you don't make it then you don't make it. But when you bail them out with taxpayer money, it's called socialism.... For the rich!
on God!!!!
James Poindexter III We already live in a socialist society... it’s called crony capitalism. You have to have nothing or everything to benefit from it i.e. government subsidies, the “viral” corporate bailouts, medicaid. The middle class get the short end of the stick.
Bailouts arent socialism , you uneducated moron. Sure they are bad, but the government isnt building a police state for corporations, taking corporate private property, or silencing those who oppose bailouts. That would be socialism.
@@charactersmoreorthree
No we didnt. You need to go read the definition of socialism. Roads and schools are NOT socialism.
@@billping6712
Jesus, you are all so stupid. Maybe we are similar to Fabian socialism, but we are nothing like a socialist state. Socialism is the abolition of private property, the authoritarian suppression of dissent, and the planning of economy leading up to communism . Okay, maybe we are headed there.
They left out self discipline, even though they actually talked about that without mentioning it.
Discipline is easily confused because it has numerous meanings. Self-restraint is essential to build endurance.
I work at a Wendy’s right now. Before this I worked at McDonald’s. It took me a year to realize that it doesn’t matter who you are. If you can control your emotions and act professional any business will let you climb there ladder. But if you can be driven about literally anything at all, then you can accomplish anything you want. Any time that I ever wanted more from my job I got it by simply trying a little harder. My goal in life is to do what I enjoy for the rest of my life. Ive realized almost anything you can do from enjoyment can be done for money. Especially here in America and first world countries. I’m 19 and i know that instead of wasting time and money on college I can save my money and then buy the equipment I need to do the thing that I enjoy but for money. I want to do wood working and carpentry. I know that I can make money from making and selling things made from wood but the difference between this being a hobby that makes me some extra cash and an actual business is that I invest the money I make into making more products which in turn makes more money. And aside from just simply putting money into it if I become exceedingly good at it I could be making a lot of money from just one project. And on top of that I can do what you do with this UA-cam channel. And that is simply making a for of entertainment. But not only would I be entertaining people I would also be getting paid for it. A lot of people my age don’t understand that to be successful you have to know what you want and how to get it. And if for some reason you can’t get it in your current state you must change your perspective and only after taking a look at yourself in that new perspective will you be able to understand why it is you can get what you want. I’ve found this applies to happiness as well. If I’m having a hard time being happy or controlling my emotions or basically anything related to my mental state then I’ll take a step back and think about it as if I wasn’t myself. I think about it as if I was someone else and Im listening to them explain the problems to me and then I do my best to offer advice and help. This is something that I do unconsciously now because I’ve been doing it for so long. And just to clarify I don’t actually see myself as a different person. I was just using that as a way to help you understand exactly what I mean. Joe I really wish you would let me be on your podcast man.
Your not the first nineteen y/o to think they have the world figured out.
The older you get the more you realize you don’t know 💩
The universe gave you one mouth, but two ears, your supposed to listen twice as much as you talk 😏
@@rdh1429 bro ur like 16. You have no room to speak. Stop trynna act like you know more lmao😂😂 mister “listen twice as much as you talk” should really stop talking😂😂 like did you think you’re giving me some sort of advice I haven’t already heard? You sound like just another 30 some year old dude that thinks he has life figured out just because he’s older. Stop being a dipshit and going around acting like you know better trying to tell kids online how they should think. You don’t know shit and you should probably go read more books.
@@rdh1429 you really thought you made some real slick comment tho😂😂 like bro take your own advice and don’t respond to peoples comments.😂😂😂
@@GottablastJimbo ignore the naysayers, you have your mind in the right place
@@GottablastJimbo Glad to see yong people with an understanding of what it takes. I hope you had continued making strides towards the goal as I realize your first comment is 2 years old. Something else to consider is also working for someone who has much more woodworking skills than yourself. Even if its at a loss (less than your making now) You can learn so many skills and techniques that you can't anywhere else without paying someone to learn those skills.
7:40 literally every athlete does this
I’d be incredibly surprised if any athlete playing any professional sport didn’t watch themselves. At least in hockey the teams rewatch games and the coaching staff use it to teach the players. Even when I was 13 years old we did it.
Even professional gamers watch themselves
Hildegard von Bingen literal high school kids will watch themself play
What's called immoral for the poor and savvy for the rich?
Socialism
"The rich are socialist!"
"The rich own too much personal property and are not taxed enough"
Pick *ONE*
FrankDaTank1218
Instructions unclear, now fucking a blender
FrankDaTank1218 did you confuse yourself on this one buddy?
@@SammyBooy2814 what are you, stupid?
Socialists complain the rich have socialism but the poor can't, they also complain about the rich making way more money than everyone and having way too much private property due to capitalist endeavors...which is the antithesis of socialism.
You're too fucking smug to realize you're the stupid one...buddy.
Tim, in all honesty, nobody would know if you were mixed race unless you you inform us.
You're right. And that's what he leant : it's absolutely irrelevant.
Yes, it comes up a lot in Tim's videos. I don't know why it's so important to him.
“I don’t take days off ever... I took a day off yesterday. Bad sushi” 😂😂😂
I normally watch JRE at 1.5x to 2x speed; not possible when Tim is on lol.
Or that Ben Sharpie guy
Fucking same. lol
I swear I thought I was the only one.
I was like "let's crank this down a bit.
Meanwhile, we need to put Joe on 1.5x to sound normal
Tim is slow. You need to get better
@@darkmoon2744 what a weird brag
Surely Tim has made enough money to get the finest hair transplant
Surgically attaching a beanie to your scalp is bleeding edge cosmetic surgery
Why waste the time and money for something frivolous as this when he can just spend 2 seconds to put on a beanie. Tim is smarter to use his money to invest on goals that matter to him.
@@bassforhire555 Or should that be comedic surgery?
@@riopato2009 exactly, because wearing a beanie all the time is just wonderful! especially in the summer heat and it looks so much better then his head. God forbid we see his head!😲😲😲😨😨😭
Jesus Christ let the man do what he wants with his hair/lack of.
I wonder when they start talking about socialism. Oh nvm, they never do.
Yeah ikr
Thank you for saving me 17 min
Are you kidding me? The entire discussion is dissecting different facets of perserverence and acquiring success for yourself instead of expecting it to be handed to you. "Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps"; The very essence of capitalism; the very thing that these young socialists have convinced themselves is impossible. They go on to explore different examples and the values neccessary for success.
Just because your attention span isn't capable of maintaining a grasp on the context of the conversation doesn't mean it isn't there.
But if you're that impatient, start at 16:59
@Zack Macdowell agreed.
Though let's agknowledge that a capitalist society is capable of incorporating selective social policies and benefitting strongly from it... providing the temperament of the populace can tolerate such a thing. And unlike nordic countries, we are certainly not capable of such.
Widespread mental illness, dogmatic hatred of government and adherence to anarchy. The steadily growing population compared to places like Norway or even Canada. The constant presence of animosity toward the very system your taxes go to. So much so that, for example, people by the masses condoning the abuse of the welfare state in secret.
We certainly are not capable of handling many "social" policies as of yet. Maybe we never will at a certain density of population.
Not until we all remember how to socialize properly with our fellow human again.
And I'd imagine that at this point, the only things that could trigger such a shift are the same things it always ends up being:
Destruction..
Anarchy..
Indifference and profound callousness..
Foolish division..
Tragedy and suffering.
How ironic...
We humans are so predictably stupid.
Darkseany “Socialize properly...”
You mean to make everybody think the same way?
Imagine if genetics followed your plan...we would all still be simple proteins all doing the EXACT same thing.
The problem isn’t that we are different. The problem is that we don’t understand the power of difference. It is how things are different that gives value to anything or to power change.
Voltage differentials give us electrical energy in our neurons as well as our electronics. Chemical potentials are the effect of different electron energy states. Differences in ideas is what drives innovation. The differences in the information gathered by each eyeball is what provides us depth perception.
No. The problem isn’t our differences. The problem is our inability to communicate our differences in a useful manner. It’s the communication that we fail in, and we are failing even harder. Cancel Culture is anathema to communication, and that’s why society is the way it is today.
Aoc was speaking in literal terms like someone actually had boots on and tried to pull themselves up😂she was saying that’s impossible to do like she thought that quote was meant to be literal
Emeril Lugosi you thought they meant they actually attempted it...
Emeril Lugosi she thought they were being literal not figurative what part of that can you not understand??
ffs I really want people who use the word socialism in any argument for or against it to define it every time they use it in the context they're using it. It feels like socialism means ice to one person and steam to another.
Tobin Kovoor also liberalism. Seems no one in America has any idea what that word means.
Fiore Deutchmark liberalism is a thing of the past. Civil liberties are the last thing on leftist minds.
@@fioredeutchmark Isn't it just being open to change from the status quo?
@@CD-zg4tj yet Bernie is one of the few politicians who is against mass surveillance
Nolan Armstrong
Fascism is not socialism. Jesus H Christ!
We have the most disgusting corporate socialism the world has ever seen. He's such a literal tool.
The Shitstorm Starter I can’t wait to see you fuck these politicians up brother
Yeah, so we have to replace corporate socialism with government socialism. No we don't.
@@ayandas874 That makes no sense. We already give the gov't our tax dollars..The problem is they use that money to keep the rich, richer and the poor, poorer.
Sebastian Flores of course they do it. But you are deluding yourself if you think that "if only the right group of people had that power, they would do good." They can't, and they wont, because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. People seeking to add their own power for your good are fooling you.
@@sebastianflores5607 exactly. we need actual say in what happens with our tax dollars.
13 years ago, i came to this country with my family with nothing (about $300) , as a family, we worked extremely hard to be where we are, never asked for welfare, little by little got a couple of houses, graduated from college, recently started my own business. then there's people who are being lazy with a victimized mentality, all they want is money handed it to them, am i supposed agree with that?
Absolutely not, your family came here with the perseverance and drive to make your way in America. Not just have it handed to You. There is a class in our socio-economic system that have made a living for generations in some cases, of living off the govt and then complain that they are being held by a glass ceiling. There are alot of people in this country that have forgotten their roots are the same as yours, but their roots were planted over a 100 years ago. There's a dichotomous irony there. The same people who came here with nothing and built up a good life for themselves and their family and are more worried about immigrants than they are of citizens who live off the govt. And that can be spun in alot of ways, but keep in mind the govt will always make money and keep their pwr grab and always will win.
Thank you for this. I really needed a pick-me-up to get me off my procrastinating ass and just work. And be better. ♥
Perseverance is the huge thing. There’s a lot of people out there that don’t exceed because they’re lazy and it’s very obvious.
People sit at home smoking weed and wonder why they aren’t rich
Especially they don’t succeed when during situations like corona virus the top 1% get $5 trillion in bailout money and the rest of the country gets $1200 for 3 months which not even UBI - it’s tax credit which means it’s your own money. Not even everybody. Companies like Boeing whose planes are falling from the sky and who instead of spending the money from Trump tax cuts on their workers or on R&D wasted all their money on share buy back now crawl back to suck the government tit and they got a bail out. But regular people, sorry you get peanuts. All these insurance companies get a bailout from government during corona. Huh? Why? It’s it supposed to be capitalism and they they should go belly up because free market and sh#t? Yes, it’s socialism for the rich and capitalism for everyone else. Instead of letting insurance companies going bankrupt and giving everybody healthcare like in every f#cking developed country Democrats and GOP voted to save the health insurance companies. I am sure it’s because everybody else is lazy. Half of small business will go bankrupt and huge corporations will gobble them up because half of small business owners are lazy according to your brilliant logic.
@@sergeikhripun shutdowns are destructive and create more problems than they solve.
@@metalmk6839 Gee, thanks that explains everything. What can I do without a genius like you? This is why the US is getting 2nd waive of covid. Germany has 4% unemployment becasue they nationalized payroll which is socialism and the US gave the richest 1% and corporations $5 trillion and everybody else can FO. George Floyd pretests are just a tip of an iceberg, wait till homeowners will lose their homes and renters become evicted becasue they don't have any money because the employment is at least 20% in the US. And it will happen in red states and in blue states, so you will have a situation where millions of people will have no jobs, no money, no healthcare and nothing to lose.
@@metalmk6839 Tim Pool is a f#cking moron. Jimmy Dore had an interview with him where he tried to explain to him single payer/medicare for all and he doesn't understand it. The guy who never takes off his condom hat from his dumb head looks super trustworthy. LOL!
Socialism for the rich and rugged individualism for everyone else
Thats not how socialism works
@El Lobo bro literally any distribution of wealth through taxation ex/ the police is an example of socialism. Karl marx was not a proponent of authoritarianism communism like USSR, Lenin wasn't a Marxist nor Stalin, you've been fed propaganda
Nancy Pelosi has worked tirelessly for the common good of Americans. She not justly compensated. She should run society.
@El Lobowell imagine your in a scenario where The only Jobs available to you are minimum wage, and you barely earn enough to pay rent and feed your self. You aren't gaining anything, your essentially a slave. Should the corporation be 'free' make money off your hard work just because they inherited wealth and you didn't? Now you might say that an individual is free to leave said job and pursue an education, but that education costs hundreds of thousands of dollars they dont have, with interest, that they're lucky to have paid off before they die. Now all there excess cash goes to paying off there loan, still a slave to an institution. Imagine they have healthcare costs, a family to feed on top of it. Someone with a rich daddy (who inherited there wealth) had there education paid for, and had a high paying job just waiting for them, is that equal opportunity? The system I'm a proponent would, limit CEOs to making a maximum of 10xavg employee (walmart ceo makes 1000x), gives employees shares in the company and a voice in the decision making in the company. I am an economics major and I'd be happy to send you some resources if your interested in learning more about the policies I advocate for
@El Lobo yes socialism is a terrible ideology, but don't go thinking that the bible isn't anything but a bunch of fairy tales written by ignorant sand dwellers
Marx himself was the child of an upper middle class family who was very generous with his family's money, to such an extent they had to cut him off, lest he waste what was supporting his mother and siblings.
I was born and raised in socialism and had "free" education and healthcare and enjoyed very low crime rates.
I can tell you unequivocally it is just a horrible, dehumanizing, demotivating, depressing system fraught with nepotism and backstabbing in which only the ruling elite can afford anything and everyone else is just poor and people with college degrees who put in a lot of effort are just marginally better off than high school drop outs.
The day I escaped that and moved to United States was the happiest day of my life. I arrived here with a couple of thousand dollars in my pocket and today, 20 years later I have a successful career and I can tell you without any doubt that this is a great country we have here and if we allow socialism to take hold here it will be a total disaster for everyone but the very few who are pushing for it and their minions.
They should define Socialism before talking about it
they are Americans. assertive, arrogant, fed with anti-socialist propaganda sins they where born... and about to learn a lesson in why work unions, social health care for all is a good thing. but my oh my will a lot of life's go away before they actually get their fucking head out of their asses and just maybe just maaaaybe admit that we in Europe have done it far better in general and should copy from us.
@@blueshue im an american and this to obvious, socialism has awesome benefits but everyone is so blind to it
blueshue 1989 You’re right. It’s the other people that are chauvinistic, obviously not you 😂😂
@@ACircadianRhythm Yeah great benefits like free gulags and state provided 'suicides' lmao. Name one time socialism has worked before. You might say "it hasn't been tried correctly" or "if only there were a different all powerful dictator it would be different" but no, that's no how it works. Failure is fundamental in a system where the government forces equal outcome.
@@coopergoss350 ha thats mere propaganda against socialism, neither USSR or China have even tried to implement communism they just use the word to hide their autocracy. Many countries in Europe have done a fine job implementing socialism into their capitalist societies. But in the end it is a system you are right would never truly work unless everyone had faith in it. Because if it were to work there would be no governing body to take advantage of its people, the people would sort themselves out instead of having a class of rulers
He's over thinking that last bit. If the government tells you to stay home and not go to work so you cant make any money, then the government has to make you whole.
It's not a long term thing, but it is long enough to ruin a hell of a lot of people and businesses if they don't get support.
Bringing ideology into it isn't helpful.
Here, in Ireland, we've a rather helpful set of support packages set up. All the freezes and supports he just mentioned and said were impossible! We're not a massive country with trillions to burn either! We've a centre right govt!!! Everyone, even opposing politicians have come together as much as all of us here on the front line. If America sorted its foreign policy it'd have a serious yearly surplus!
@Bif Webster Yep. My step moms daycare/kindergarten in New Jersey that has been open for over 40 years got declined for support. State mandated closure yet no support.
This is 100% correct,
seskill if her name was Boeing she would have the government lining up at her door with blank checks.
@@marshallkobe I'm disgusted with this country. Really am. How this is possible is just then spitting in our face now. At the same time it angers me just as much that her and my dad will most likely vote for someone that has only enabled this.
Tim “I don’t take a day off. Ever. I took the day off yesterday. And today to do the show.” Pool
I can't understand this whole argument why it should be unfair that some people have it easier in life because they were born into a more privileged family. Being born into a privileged family usually means that you have parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents that made smart life decisions and placed their children's well being above their own... Isn't it fair that their children have an easier time in life?
Exactly. Well said.
@JerzeVillain well no, not exactly as there is a major difference between these 2 scenarios which is the possibility of sozial permeation. In the 1400 your social Status and your possibilities were not defined by your wealth but by your families titles basically making it a trait that was defined by blood and (almost) unchangable as serves were barred from many opportunities regardless of wealth. This changed massively in the late 1900s and 20th century as institutions opened up to all people (at least in Europe) that could afford them. Agreed the USs color seggregation laws delayed that development in the US for decades but since the late 1960s that also holds true for the US. The fact that 90% of the top income earners in the US (top 10% of incomes) don't stay in that bracket for more than 1 year and that around 50%of us households eventually reach that bracket (usually when the main breadwinner of the family is in his mid 50s) shows that this social permeability is real and people are climbing the social stratas on a daily basis. All I am saying is that you should have the choice if you want to spend All your money on yourself and work less to have a more comfortable life or work more and save some money or build up your families wealth in other ways (such as becoming a homeowner and paying a huge ass mortgage for decades) to give your children an easier start in life enabling them to climb even higher on the social ladder without being punished for it...
No what they are saying is it’s not fair for the children who aren’t “lucky” enough to be born into those kinds of families to not have any opportunities because of their parents bad choices.
It’s all a matter of luck! You weren’t born into a more successful, affluent family because you’re just a better person. You just got lucky!
But do you think it’s fair to the children of poor, unambitious parents to not be given the opportunity to an education? Or a good job? Or equality and respect?
Fair to whom?
@@rdh1429 fair to every parent and grandparent who wants to work not for themselves but for their children and grandchildren...
Susan Boyle was on “Brits got talent”.
Thank you, Charles
Nope - Britain's Got Talent. :D
@@JamieJacksonati you missed the joke
@@xwhatitisyo Ah, sorry. Britain Is Talented.
And they bood the hell out of her because of her looks until she sang.
"I don't take days off... EVER!... I took a day off yesterday."
Clayton Saint Cyr read this right as he said it
M J Grasscutter right? And it was immediate. I don’t take days off, I took a day off. It’s like which is it? Lmao
Makes sense to me.. he’s saying he typically doesn’t take time off BUT yesterday he did. Why is that hard to understand?
Wow, this quote is why people are easy targets for fake news. He literally said "I don't take days off ever, but I took off yesterday, had some bad sushi..." meaning he got sick from bad sushi and wasn't feeling well. Google the meaning for the word "CONTEXT".
@@CheesyChez421 Joe had Tim on twice. The first time he helped Joe understand the problems and implications of social media. The second time Joe had Tim on was to ask the questions he didn't ask when he had Jack Dorsey on his show because Joe got a lot of criticism why that interview failed miserably. Before then, Joe was supposed to have Tim on years ago after Tim did multiple on-the-ground reporting on Occupied Wall Street but Joe kept cancelling on Tim 3 separate times in a span of 3 years. The reason Joe keeps having Tim on is because Tim is a credible and trusted independent journalist who isn't afraid to back down or isn't beholden to corporate media. This fence riding joke has more integrity as a journalist than any UA-cam commenter will ever have which is why Joe respects Tim to have him on his show as much as possible. Tim literally saved Joe's ass from his own fan base even after Joe blew him off multiple times before the whole Twitter shitstorm interview with Jack Dorsey.
As someone who has alot of talents, and grew up with supportive parents whom are both successful financially due to being hardworking people, as well as intelligent ones, I have something to say. Talent means very little.
It really sucks when you know that your are smarter and more talented than the person standing next to you, but they outdid you because they put more work in. It's really easy to start hating yourself, because on paper, there's no way you can lose, which means that you had to have failed about as much as you possibly could have, or that you maybe even failed intentionally. And here's the thing, failure is unavoidable, regardless of who you are. For the people that have the natural advantage, failure can be especially difficult to accept, and it can destroy you.
lol who said you have a lot of talents? your mommy?
@@deathlarsen7502 absolutely based
My dad was a auto mechanic all of his life, my mom worked at a union carbide factory. My upbringing taught me a lot, work for what you have. Do what's right, the rest will take care of itself.
Dude he said it! This was life changing for me. "Every second you put into something is every second you're getting better at it. If you come home and play video games everyday, you're gonna get REALLY good at video games, man." Awesome.
Our brains are hard wired to make us good/better at what we do. Repetition and trying to do better, works.
Haha he's right to a point. I spent years playing a multitude of genres of games but mostly fps. I log on to counterstrike and most people I meet on there are better somehow.
"There's some studies and some research that came out..." I have to remember to use that one.
As long it's not made up and if these studies and research fall on fall on false conclusions, it's on those who don't believe it need to constantly challenge it based on studies and research that counter that conclusion. To simply just "use it" doesn't make it correct but takes on the assumption that it is correct. Diligence of pursuing the facts will always favor the debate over rhetoric or misuse of a fact finding theory that has no merit.
With how many researches done these days I wouldn't be surprised you can find a couple to support your idea. Although the integrity of publishers most of the time are questionable.
Yeah, just pulling dumb claims out of your ass when conversing with someone who won’t challenge it is a good idea for Tim. Beanie boy Tim simultaneously argues that socialists want to just strip the rich of their wealth and hate the rich yet also claims a majority of socialist ms are rich and white??? Yeah Che, Bolsheviks etc. the perfect picture of “the silver spoon” Tim is a hack, he can’t even actually discuss issues with socialism without making falsehoods or misunderstanding what socialism actually is.
Artistry Artistry one of the reasons Sam Seder owned him was that Pim Tool kept saying stuff like that and Sam would just say " Oh really? Lets look online right now for that research!" It didn't end well for Timmy
Hiruzen Sarutobi Nobody really understands what socialism is, except of course for the 20-28 year old white male urban hipster who feels bad for the blacks they just gentrified out of the city.
When Tim Pool said he could jump high on a skateboard, he wasn't lying. He gets serious air in his vids.
Yeah not really
Indeed; he's very, very good at skateboarding 😄
It's a lottery like any other: everybody can lift themselves up, but only a few will.
Except third level education is not at all affordable for working class students who want to make in life.
@@johnmoloney1996 AFAIK that mostly applies to the countries colonised or conquered by the British, or that adapted much of their system for whatever other reason.
Elsewhere, i.e. in the truly civilised world (jk), higher education (including universities) is either free or reasonably inexpensive to make it affordable for most.
"Everyone's a genius but if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will believe it's stupid it's whole life"
- Albert Einstein
I get what the quote is trying to prove but that’s just objectively not true.
It would be impossible to know. Depends on circumstance, proper direction, upbringing, so on. I believe everyone has an aptitude for something but some never find out what that is.
@@15npaz u know I am 17 yea i grew up most of my life with my mother she was a junkie and my life sucked I had to leave when I was 12 she wasn't a suitable parent and moved in with my nana
I started secondary school I rathered have less freinds and stay away from drugs then be arojnd popular kids and probably take drugs because i knew of its effects
Most kids would of been like lets go fucking crazy and blamed the world for there problems
And i would be a junkie if I stayed living with my mother
In my opinion it comes down to the persons character that they built for them selves at a young age
You need to show a child consequences for there actions, so they cant blame other people when they do wrong
But im only 17 so what do I know 🤣🤣
@@shanemoran4145 I hear you man, I didn't come from much either, very absent family just like you, very troubled past. All I can say is keep going, life doesn't need to look perfect but just make it work, do what your good at, even if it doesn't make you a lot of money at first, don't let anyone tell you to get a cushy job you'll be miserable. I wish I had someone tell me that. It's kinda what I mean by the above quote, find what's right for you and go after it, life is short, especially when you've had a troubled past, do what makes you happy and what you're good at, don't settle, don't let others decide your direction in life
He never said that.
The hard part is finding something you want to do and earn money doing it rather then doing something you don’t want to do for a living, after years of college for business I switch to nursing and am loving it
caleb scott congratulations man! From one stranger to another that’s really cool to hear. How old were you when you switched?
Mark Pratt thanks! I was 20, just realized I wasn’t interested in business/ desk job, and got lucky enough to find something that i generally enjoy. But there were people of all ahead in my classes so it’s never to late to look into nursing school if you were interested
@@calebscott1175 luck is a big part of it all that people's egos refuse to let them consider is a factor
caleb scott The transitioning out program of the Army, ACAP, told us about this. I forget the number but something like 60-80% of Americans work a job that they don’t like and are unhappy with, but stay for the pay/benefits. They strongly encouraged us to pursue careers that made us happy.
I do heating and cooling now, and yeah work can suck and I’m not making six figures, but I love working with my hands and putting something together every day.
Dylan Healy that’s what it’s about man, doing something you actually enjoy, thanks for your service as well!
Yip as a performing musician I would watch and listen to myself and look for my weaknesses. Its key.
Idk if people mean by socialism free health care, affordable housing, good wages, less corporate influence over our lives, environmental protections for poor neighborhoods, them I'm all in... Pretty sure Bernie Sanders doesn't want to ban capitalism... Our country is about equal opportunity right? No one said there had to be an equal outcome. From the looks of it, the poor and downtrodden don't have an equal opportunity. The founding fathers would not applaud today's society I'm pretty sure of that.
Most people when they think of socialism think of Bernie. He is not full on socialist though. He is a capitalist that wants a strong social safety net like you described or the Scandinavian model. Joe is complaining about actual socialist that support complete wealth equality, which historical speaking has never once been achieved in a civilization. Sadly, socialist countries have caused millions to die from corruption and incompetence so hopefully it never makes a real foothold in America.
Free health car = no such thing. Affordable housing = this is not a government provision, housing takes labour to produce, Good Wages = again this is only created by a free market, not the state, wages are competed up by upskilling and innovation. Less corporate influence = what power does a corporation have over your life? if you dont pay your Netflix bill are the police going to turn up at your door? Downtrodden = by who?
Well first off those are *intentions,* results are actually something totally different. If you don't believe me look up "war on poverty" for instance.
The only safety net we need is a basic income, not government bureaucracy.
@douglas wahid
100% agree with that. Replace welfare bureaucracy with a basic income, preferably negative income tax.
@@jamesandrew1750 Well laws are practically made by private interest groups, aka corporations, lobbying politicians. So that apparently is a good thing in your book. I'd say that affects our lives a lot... Also, been waiting for the market to give us wages that keep pace with the cost of living for decades. Clearly hasn't happened... and never will. When people say free health care, they mean socialized health care. And it is in fact cheaper overall because we don't have private insurer middlemen scraping a fat premium off of poor people who need health care... If you are't for making the nation a better place for all then what the hell do you even stand for? You stand for selfishness man. You stand for nothing.
Fred Hampton said “We say we are not going to fight capitalism with black capitalism, but we are going to fight it with socialism.”
It is sad that when ppl are asked what they would you do with their life if money was no object...they have no idea...society dosent teach you about yourself, only how to be a compliant cog in the systemic wheel. No one knows who they are anymore, they just know what society demands of them..
Absolutely!! It's not education, it's indoctrination. People are commodities in a completely free market. That in itself should be enough to make some changes to a faulty system, but no! Common sense isn't common, nor is it a gift any more🤷♂️
nah I'm pretty sure a very good amount would know and give many different answers
Wicked Minish id smoke weed and beat my meat all day
I would live with beavers
Konner Morales Exactly, living of mommy and daddies money isn’t “FinDiNg YouRseLf” and it doesn’t make u special
The fact that 2100 people disliked this is kinda scary to me.
Why
Because disliking UA-cam videos takes zero effort and you don’t have to answer for it or explain it
@@jessiewalker8547 I could explain it if you want
@@jessiewalker8547 first off, no the Nazis weren't socialist.
Again, no. I disliked the video because they didn't even talk about socialism but rather a stupid caricature of a socialist. Not to mention Joe Rogan is more leftie, but is talking crap on lefties because of his guest
@@Reedskiii
Believing that you must agree with your "side" on every issue and never criticize it on anything is exactly what is wrong with this country.
Tim Pool and Joe Rogan were simply incorrect at the beginning. Proportionally, those with the most positive association with Socialism and those making under $50,000 a year and those who are Black.
I know this is an old video but here is one poll from June 2021 that asked American questions such as "Do you have a positive or negative reaction to the word capitalism?" and "Do you have a positive or negative reaction to the word socialism?".
From this poll, the higher your salary, the more positive association you have with capitalism: 51% of the respondents who made below $50,000 a year had a positive view of capitalism and 44% had a negative view. Meanwhile, for those making $100,000+, 71% had a positive view of capitalism and 26% had a negative view.
For their association with socialism, the higher the salary, the more negative association with socialism: 49% of those making less than $50,000 had a positive view of socialism and 45% of that same group had a negative view of socialism. Meanwhile, only 34% of those making $100,000+ had a positive view of socialism and 62% had a negative view.
As for the Races listed (Black, White, Other, and Hispanic), Black people had the most negative view of capitalism and the most positive view of socialism. Meanwhile, White people had the most positive view of capitalism and the most negative view of socialism.
www.surveymonkey.com/curiosity/axios-capitalism-update/
This was only for America. Internationally, the places where socialism has had the biggest impact are Latin America and South East Asia, not exactly the whitest and richest places in the world.
These guys bring up socialism and immediately start talking about identity politics...
They did that because the profile of socialist Americans is not what socialists would anticipate. They think they're helping the poor underprivileged minorities, but it is actually a an upper class perspective, which happens to be white.
Just propaganda talking points
@@phil5037 There is no real evidence of that beyond preconceived feelings. Even if it were, them having an "upper class" and "white" perspective says nothing about whether it would actually help the poor.
@@phil5037 How exactly are we using the term "socialist" though? I brought up their discussion of race and identity because it seemed like they were discussing SJWs and people with white guilt as if they are the "socialist types." They ignored the fact that there is a huge difference between being socially progressive and actually being a socialist. I'm not sure were you and Tim Pool found this study but It sounds like you’re talking about neoliberals and corporate democrats.
@@Mattwashere2013 I believe I can help clarify. Socialism is on it's face an identity politics issue: the nature of the divide is those who have and those who have not. While at first glance it may seem devoid of the rabbit hole that is I.P. due to the lack of race/sex/religious contention being strictly necessary in a socialist system, there is still tension and conflict between two Identities (as I referrerd to them; haves and have nots.) I hope you read this in the spirit it was intended.
Godspeed
Where was THIS Joe Rogan when Bernie Sanders was sitting at the table?
Joe is a chameleon, he really tries to understand and empathize with his guests. You rarely will see Joe take a hard line against a guests views.
Don't forget he does this podcast to earn money 😉
Dude if you actually listen to Tim Pool, i'm very sorry for you. I tried listening to his shows and he's always making the worst strawmans, using the worst extreme arguments and generally doesn't make much sense.
Tim is a total nitwit. Doesn’t understand anything.
@@jmorris023 Tim's one of the few fair journalists still out there. He cites multiple sources and uses sites from both sides to get a more reasonable perspective. He just calls out more liberal politics because they're the ones lying, cheating and gaming the system for their own power over the people.
@@Khay-77 conservatives have lied and cheated just as much as republicans. Voter suppression? Gerrymandering? If your ingrained bias wont allow you to see that, you need go step back for a minute and reevaluate. Also Tim isnt a Liberal, all of his videos are just trashing Liberals constantly, ALL OF THEM. I cant blame him though, like most on both the right AND left, his heart is with the money.
The saddest thing is that the strength that can come from being born into humble means is stolen from kids instead of fostered in them in our school system. When a kid goes through something bad, no matter what it is, responsible adults should be telling them they can get through it and coaching the kids how to do that, instead, we focus on whose fault it is, which doesn't help anyone.
Maybe the reason every anti capitalist you've ever met is a rich kid, Joe, is because you're rich.
What kind of retarded statement is that. Joe came from nothing and did standup in thousands of venues. Bro wasn’t swimming in the womb with stacks bro
"There is a TED talk about it"
Well there we go. All is proven
Probably verifiable from other sources
Perseverance or GUTS
TED is Scientology.
Nice hill to die on
The deep thinker felt it important enough to mention it twice. Hehehehe. Can't wait for his first book.
Tim Pool is an anecdote Andy
sure thing Destiny fan
@@Austinpl0x I'm offended that you take me for a dirty neolib
@@St3v3Harv3ysBad ok you've got mere there Hasmod
My cousin’s family is rich as fuck. He went from MN to a state college in Washington, so he could know what it was like to be poor...He spends his time going to protests and pretending to be Jack Kerouac in Europe. He’s 30 now and never had a job. He has helped no one. He’s a spoiled child, who will waste his life.
I’m an Iraq Vet and an electrician. He says I don’t get it.
Fidel Castro came from an upper-middle-class rich family!
Wow he was born into a rich family, let’s revoke his socialist card.
Tim “it’s on a Ted talk” Pool
Word
The only source of legitimate information higher than a Ted talk is a tedx talk.
Source: a tedx talk.
@@evanislost sam hyde proves that
Smash like if you hate the new UA-cam update!
It's much better Keeps people away from comments on short videos!
What are you referring to? Must be a mobile thing.
I dont even know what the update is. Buttt..... If it's coming from Y.T. Im sure it's fu×÷ed !!
Yep. I love having my subscriptions feed turn into the recommended videos part. Smh, I have to refresh multiple times a day sometimes.
what update?
Tim pool seems a little...what’s the word..? Adderally
@@sussusamogus9596 just a joke guy lol
@@sussusamogus9596 what was the joke that got crowder demonitized
@@sussusamogus9596 "The most interesting conservatives are banned from UA-cam Steven Crowder for instance"
Steven Crowder is an interesting conservative?
The idea that if people work hard enough and persevere they "can find their apex" and succeed is missing one very important variable: dumb fu*king luck.
You take can take two people with identical skills and abilities, have them both work equally to the same high degree and persevere equally as strong, and you will still end up with two varying levels of success. The outcomes could even be greatly dramatic, or perhaps slight. But they will be different bases on the breaks they get or don't get, meeting the right people, suffering tragic loss, etc
But they also mention learning and finding THEIR apex. Not everyone is going to be the best at something cuz there can only be one. But if one learns and keeps going, there is no doubt that they will be successful in one way or another. The true challenge is to challenge yourself to become better and for hardships to become lessons.
I will agree to this. Im retired at 36 because I was lucky more than I was smart. My intelligence though put me in the position to capitalize on it.
everything Tim says is invalid until he removes his cap and shows the world his beautiful bald head.
Noooooooo it's the Beanie Nation! A cultural icon! He must have it at all times or the world will implode!
Everything he says is invalid with or without his cap , he is a pseudo intellectual
@@DodZz666 Ok boomer.
I've just googled it. No wonder he has a hat.
He already posted pic's of himself without the Beanie years ago.
The ad homs are crazy.
Funny how most of the arguments they ponder are id-pol arguments
Identity politics you mean? Or something else
I'm sad that Spotify will made me endure ads if I listen to the JRE there; I'll miss your conversations, Joe.
The part where Tim and Joe talked about what it takes to make it really moved me.
Joe "Bob Dylan" Rogan
B. Wainscot where did this come from? I’m not complaining sometimes it can be funny (not often) but every jre video has tons of these comments
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“Your vocation in life is where your greatest joy meets the world's greatest need.”
- Frederick Buechner
I never understood people who wear winter hats all the time... like wtf it's not even cold
It's to hide the tin foil😬
In high school I wore a beanie because we were allowed to wear hats, which isn’t normal in my state but we couldn’t wear our hats backwards (a “snap back” is more comfortable backwards for me) so to get around the rule I wore a beanie lol.
Joe's Political views varies based on the guest he has. It's hard to figure out where he stands Politically because he agrees with whatever his guest's Political views are.
People say that like it's a bad thing. It just shows how not everything is black and white and how there are compelling arguments for each side. Its not that his view change, its just that everyone on each side says something he agrees with.
The problem with Socialism is you eventually run out of other people's money
IDK. You have no clue about socialism. I doubt you read anything
@@dddeadlift I don't think you understand economics really well because if you did you wouldn't be socialist.
@@dddeadlift In socialist society basically everything you work for or worked for isn't yours, you basically just give all your money and success to the government and then the government hands the money out to people who don't work, so nobody becomes successful and at the end of the day nobody wants to work anymore and the rich pack their bags and leave the country so where is the money gonna come from if nobody works and the rich who own the major companies and businesses leave
IDK. Damn I have No Energy for your stupidity - you win. Good luck. U will go places.
@@dddeadlift Ok👌🏻,you call me stupid but you have no valid argument to why socialism is good
man that was the most off the road discussion about socialism. half way through i just checked the title again to remind myself what it was originally about.
@@user-br2dw8no4r thanks dad
T your son is retarted
“I, Pencil” -an essay by Leonard Read should be mandatory reading. Look it up. 👍
There's a nice video presentation of the essay on UA-cam too.
Another interesting thing to look up and read... George Orwell's evisceration of socialists in the second part of his, _The Road to Wigan Pier_. Keep in mind, Orwell was a socialist. Had he lived past 1950 and contemplated the scale of slaughter coming out of the Ukraine, I bet he would have altered his stance.
You mean mandatory reading?
@@seangannon6081 Yes. Thanks.
"If there is not equality of outcomes among people born to the same parents and raised under the same roof, why should equality of outcomes be expected-or assumed-when conditions are not nearly so comparable?" Thomas Sowell