BMW 650i 6-SERIES GEARBOX PROBLEM AND FIX
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- Опубліковано 17 гру 2023
- After having the 650i throw all of its oil out on the road it is time for the gearbox to have a go at fizzling out. This is the story of fault-finding and fixing the problem. This fix is the same on any BMW that uses the Mechatronics Gearboxes. In this case it is on my BMW E64 650i
#mechatronics, #GearboxProblems, - Авто та транспорт
Overwhelmingly impressed Timm! A BMW garage would probably have wanted to fit a new gearbox! Diagnostics is everything.
Thanks Jonathan!
You're 6 series is just at that age for anyone else that has one ,,, will sooner or later have very similar problems and if like me,, will appreciate what you are doing here,, and i for one love what you are doing. Keep it going tim. Thanks.
Thanks Bobby!
Great job, Tim! Common issues include cracking wires, typically in the boot. An option is to purchase wires with silicone wrapping and rewire that section from connector to connector. With more flexibility, they are less prone to cracking.
Thanks, and have a great Christmas!
Very clever. Showing how far you can get with an analytical mind and some basic tools.
Thanks, very kind of you!
Tim, you really make great videos on your cars, and with style! No nonsense and show off. I don't even own theses models but as I share your fascination for the brand (I myself own a E46 and E39) I enjoy following your dedicated fixes. All the best from Sweden.
That's very kind of you!
Thanks Timm - as always great content! Right behind you at 56. Keep moving and problem solving - it keeps you young!
Thanks, will do!
Got my heart set on a 6 series, they’re a timeless looking design but I still can’t find one within budget, below 10k, with a good service history and respectable mileage. In the meantime I’m living vicariously through you Timm. Your videos are priceless, your hard work and enthusiasm are appreciated. Hope you and yours have a fantastic Christmas pal. Thank you.
My pleasure, but don't worry about high mileage, it usually means that it has been serviced frequently
Glad I saw your video tim. My mechanic advise me to get another trainee but I’ll have him check this first. I only have 106 on mines.. I did pick it up from a auction so I doubt the previous owner took good care of it
Have a very Merry Christmas Timm. Thank you for all your great videos this year. Hot here in NZ, got to 36 degrees on my porch today.
Happy Christmas to you too in NZ - very strange, it's flipping cold here!
Another great video. You're a clever man. 👏
Another great video, thank you; I have the same gearbox in my e53, I rarely use the steptronic, though. Perhaps BMW were relying on people being as lazy as me when they signed off that wiring...
Great point Mark!
Excellent video as usual Timm! Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As usual a brilliant vlog Timm nice to see a bit of old school diagnostics! Love it keep up the good work and Merry Christmas to you and your family!
Thanks Neil, hope you have a great Christmas!
Fantastic job Timm! I hope BMW sees this and maybe does a recall on this, though they probably might not because of the fact it doesn't affect driving unless you put it into manual mode. But again, thank you for sharing that fix and luckily that hasn't happened to my car but I'm sure there's a lot of BMWs out there who have is having that problem now. Merry Christmas Tim and a happy New Year. Thanks for keeping us BMW owners well informed!
It's always my pleasure!
Great informative vlog again Timm. Great watch & hope the E31 is soon back on your drive ready for its next chapter 👍
Thanks! It's getting closer!
Having a similar 650 this is Very useful info that Tim thank you 👍.
Glad you enjoyed it
I was surprised there near the end when you showed the gauges when you checked to see if the Steptronic was working and the speedo had mph in larger lettering around the outside of the face and km/h in smaller font in the inner area. I thought that arrangement was used only for us hardheads in the U.S. who have never adopted the metric system.
I bought a 2007 750Li not long ago, so found this channel searching for N62 repair videos. Mine has apparently suffered the alternator bracket gasket failure, which didn't dump oil nearly as fast as your cracked filter housing in a previous video. Now I'll be scared that one is going to happen to me.
In the UK we still use miles per hour - but have adopted liters when re-filling! Shame, I miss the gallons, knew where you were with them!
Always useful content. I very rarely ever use the manual/steptronic mode on my 6.. I’m just too lazy I guess, so D is my style lol
Though if I want a peppy getaway I’ll stick it in Sport, then switch back to normal D 😎
You’re looking well for 65 my friend.. I recently turned 52, but feel like 152…as I currently have covid 🤒☹️
Thanks! Your wires should last years then!
I like Tim's videos even re watching some of his videos for educational purposes I think the reason why has videos are under rated because people be jealous about keeping it brand new, morle this story the six series is a great car looked after properly an well maintained but it's been a good run.
Great video buddy !
Brilliant repair as always 👍
Thanks Robert!
Nice work Timm. I'll keep this in mind for when this eventually may happen to my e39. A lot has happened this year with your E64 and E31 - I admire your level of patience. Older BMWs can require so much time and attention but it's often worth it! Always enjoy watching your videos. Cheers.
Same, really enjoy watching your videos. Very informative and technical enough
Thanks! You will be OK with this problem on the E39 - the wires don't move! Yes, you have to be patient with the old BMW's!
My pleasure!
Hi Timm this is Alvin your number one fan. GREAT VIDEO, as always. I like the young Timms jacket, I'm sure he knows that. 😅
ALVIN! Great to hear from you, and have a great holiday!
Thank you Tim.
My pleasure!
Thanks again for another very helpful and interesting post for all those E63/4 owners, your videos have saved me so much hassle and the confidence to attempt jobs that the 'stealerships' would charge stupid money for, its good to see your 650i back on the road
Thanks Doug!
Timm your awesome
Again you have helped me out❤
Happy to help!
Ah, so it seems I'll be spending my morning coffee with Timm, this morning, I see!
You are always welcome!
Good top tip there,in case i get that problem. I see it was a bit crammed in there😊
65????? Jeez, with a full head of hair and cool leather jacket, I thought you were late 40's. I always thought I was older than you, but I'm actually much younger, ha, thanks Tim you've made my day! 😉. P.S. I have the exact same torx set and it's got me out of trouble on several occasions. Well investigated and diagnosed gearbox issue, will probably save many ££££s.
Very kind of you, my hair actually went white in my 30's in one area and it's slowly spread from there!
Nice Video Timm
Thanks Richard!
Only a BMW would keep giving you content to be a full time UA-camr 😅 Life would be boring without a BMW!
True enough! I do have a day-job though!
Thanks Timm
My pleasure!
Good video Timm as usual Bmw never make anything to last just charge a fortune for replacement parts I still bought one though Happy Christmas 😀
Thanks Steve and have a great Christmas!
Love the detail you put into diagnosing and correcting the fault using the oldschool approach. This might sound a bit "dumb", but since one wire had failed from improper bend radius and the other 3 were about to fail, why not reroute all 4 to outside of the troublesome cover? It appears there is plenty of room and would have a much gentler bend too.
Yes, I now have another shifter from Ebay - it's no better than the one I have, so I will re-route the wires in the same manner as I did the blue one
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformationHad a feeling we'd both come to the same conclusions.
Don’t talk to me about transmissions.. 2 years ago my X5 E53 trans lost drive at some traffic lights. This was a few weeks after I found some large chunks of metal in the pan after serving it. I thought I may get away with it but no..Full rebuild was £2200 inc transport from my driveway.
Well, 2.2k wasn't a bad price in the end!
Lovely car❤
Thanks Stephen, and have a great Christmas!
Got to do a valve gasket this summer. Hope this problem won’t be next
You will get them all at some point!
That's a bargain price and a simple DIY job under your guidance. I dread to think what the dealer would charge...
That was quite enjoyable!
Good man!
Thanks!
Awesome
Thanks 😊
Has anyone told you, you look like the villain in human centerpede
Only you!
Hi Timm. I hope you’re well. I’m having similar issues with my e60 545i. It won’t go into D/S at all. The four wires are intact but I’m a bit skeptical about the spring switch inside the selector switch. Do you think it’s possible that might be the culprit? I get no D/S light in the dashboard and everything else seems fine. Kind regards from the blistering cold winter of Iceland.
Great work. Can you upgrade to the later shifter that I have in mine GWS I think
Thanks! I don't think so, the later ones are fully electroic whereas mine is part mechanical
Be great to have a ZF8HP conversion someday done on this car
Not more gears!
Contact clean and liquid electrical tape will fix those cracked wires and reinforce that fatigued section two coates should do the trick and alot easier than changing the switch
Hi Timm, Loving your videos and you've been a massive help as I researched in readiness for purchasing a 2004 645ci E64. Thank you! The one I purchased came with a mountain of history including invoices over the past 12 months for a gearbox refurb and all the usual N62 seals, so fingers crossed!...But something I hadn't identified during my research was cracks in the front fenders, relating to the bolts I believe. Mine has a couple of cracks in each. Do you have any advice on how best to repair and prevent re-occurrence? Many Thanks
They shouldn't be done up tightly, they have loctite on them and only need to pinch it in place
Cheers Timm!
항상 유용한영상 잘보고있습니다
한국에서 같은기종을 운영하고있는 오너입니다
부품수급과 정보가부족해서 현지에서는 운용하기가 매우힘듭니다
앞으로도 650에대한 많은 정보와 힌트를 부탁드립니다~😂
한국에서 소식을 듣게 되어 매우 기쁩니다. 그리고 언제나 즐겁습니다!
The only downfall I’ve had with my 650 is the gearbox, replaced mechtrronics and seals, it runs great but every now and then it will mysteriously slip in 4th on acceleration and throw a fault for the clutch pack. The automatic zf has always been clunky. If I ever have to do anymore transmission work I’ll most likely look to convert it to manual. Other than that the car is great and looks as new as the day I’ve bought it.
Merry Christmas 🤶🎄Tim.
The gearboxes can be a problem if the previous owner didn't get the Mechatronics sleeves replaced in time!
Hey Tim, amazing videos as always. Question about the coolant leaks on this car? I feel my coolant transfer pipe is gone as i am losing coolant slowly but no leaks. How should I go about this on this car.
The Bimmer-Stent is probably the easiest - but make sure it is that first - the sure sign is coolant leaking from weep hole next to the pump
Hey Tim. Thanks for the video!
Could you please let us know where we can get a copy of TiS?
Thank you.
My pleasure, you can get the TIS on Ebay
That's a interesting issue and fix. One little wire and so many problems. I wonder what could be my issue in 2002 E39 540iA where car would not start if gear selector be at Park. Press it harder forward in this possition, or swith to Neutral and the motor starts. I wonder if it could also be some electrical wire as your issue, or is it related to bowden cable that runs to gearbox underneeth :)
Yes, very likely to be a slightly out of adjustment bowden cable to the slector on the side of the gearbox: (Part 5) www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showparts?id=DN63-USA-03-2002-E39-BMW-540i&diagId=24_0720
Thanks Timm!@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation
Tim, you said things come in 3. It will be the valve stem seals next........👀
Good info video. Just out of interest, what do you use camera wise to film your vids for youtube?
I hope not! I use a Samsung Galaxy S21 FE 5G - they have four excellent camera on them!
Hi Timm, thanks for all your fantastic comment. I have a question I couldn´t find an answer to anywhere(a reliable one). I am suspecting one of my MAF sensors is going bad because of the readings from INPA - on idle, it´ll be 22-25, and sometimes it´ll even be higher. When driving it´ll get to 400 on full throttle but obviously this can be "normal". No experience with what the readings should be. In the past few weeks I´ve noticed 1lit higher consumption with no other change in driving conditions, and my exhaust is blacker on the inside. There is also jerking when letting off light throttle for example in city traffic or when I need to drive at 80kph speed limit and need to let off the throttle again. it is always around 1700-1500 rpm. Would you have any advice for me what to look for? I don´t want to go throwing money at it without being sure what is actually the problem.
21-25 Kg per hour is fine on the V8's. The N62 is pretty horrible in respect to the engine software, especially the early ones, I noticed that on all of them that I have driven, the Sport mode is hardly useable - don't worry!
my ZF auto has a funny 2nd gear. These cars can be somewhat cryptic sometimes.
They can!
Hi Timm, very informative, my car is identical to yours except it's a 2008 model with "sports" transmission, meaning the indicators are in the gear shifter itself. My transmission was overhauled a while back, incl. a new valve body but I still get a loud bang occassionally when I accellerate hard and scares the crap out of me every time. I always suspected this to be an electrical issue but not being an expert it's bloody hard to sort out. Any ideas?
Get the gearbox adaptations reset (can be done on diagnostics), it makes a huge difference on the Mechatronics 6-speed boxes
Also, if I may add you might be low on transmission fluid, especially if you have the steptronic transmission. BMW calls the fluid in the transmission lifetime but it's not. It needs to be replaced every 60,000 miles, and those transmission pans are made out of plastic and they will warp and leak over that period of time... Cheers!
Will this Apply to the smg gearboxes?
AH the joys of bmw`s famous organic bio dergadable looms tim 😫
Don't think it was "bio degrading", more like the wiring is from factory/design a couple of cm's too short when you move over left to manual steptronic.
Yeah well more stress on the wiring will degrade what's going to degrade, faster
This is why I go mental whenever anyone uses unnecessary brutality on anything in my E34 (which has its own well known sedan boot lid loom issue) because I know electrics will be what kills it in a way I give up trying to fix
My E63 BMW isn’t starting as I haven’t used it for 3-4 months, although the battery has been on charge constantly so it’s not a battery issue. What else could it be?
Don't discount the battery yet - it's the cheapest way forward!
I thought all the pcv valves was at the front of the v8 but you said the pcv valve at the back of the engine where is it exactly T.I.A
I bought them for the E31 not the E64 - the M62/M60 has them on the back of the inlet manifold
What year is your car Tim ?
the £29 shifter, is it a 650i one or does the 630 645ci fit also?
Yes, they are the same - and also other BMW models of the same era
Hey Tim, I’m currently having a problem with my 05 645ci where my 4th gear is slipping and whenever I go from 3rd to 4th gear in manual mode my car hits me with “transmission malfunction” do you got any suggestions?
I just commented the same. 😂😊 I rarely get a fault for it. But when I do it states clutch pack.
Might be trans oil level too low. Or this is similar wire problem as stated in the video.
Unfortunately that does sound like a failing clutch pack
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation mines is a automatic tho, by manual mode I mean when you switch the shift nob to the left then go up and down to shift the gears, I’m hearing it could possibly be an oil level too low?
Happened to my 2007 E92. Found info on the forums and watching UA-cam.
Https://ua-cam.com/video/i9BGR0k-T90/v-deo.htmlsi=AJFfe4OmbKAa1UoL
Repaired some broken wires and some that were on the way out.
Rerouted the wires slightly differently to give more slack. No problems since.
“Vehicular diy” has a UA-cam video on this. I did the same as him.
I also repaired the wires for the shift position indicator lights.
Thanks, they are useful video's!
Whats happening with the other car that was t boned?
It's still on the lift at Lee Shannon's - brake pipes and fuel pipes being replaced now
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation So pleased it will live again!
My ccc is pitch black.. any idea?
That means the back-light has failed. Shine a torch at it and you should see the screen working
Thank you I will try that when it gets warmer.