@@smartaIec GOD that part was disgusting. Probably the most irritating thing he's ever done, and he doesn't really do many things I dislike in his videos. His presentation and delivery are great, the production quality is good, and the content/builds themselves are cool and high effort/value as well.
He didn't understand the material at all and he did an awful job on purpose to denigrate it. Take a look at Easy Composit videos, optimized carbon fiber perform better than cnc aluminium. As anything, it has its use cases where it's a valid solution and there are cases where it should not be used.
Ik you struggled with the finished part with lots of bubbles and empty spots. As per my experience you need to add more resin and chopped carbon fibre into the mold than usual. Best indicator for that is the resin and CF should flow out of the mold while applying pressure. And yes! Great work and dont listen to those dumb who have no idea what forged CF is.
You can also add strength by laying long, continuous tows (strands) of carbon fiber along the length, and width of the part. Still, it sure turned out nice!
I think they're using the term forged because they're using clamping pressure instead of gravity or vacuum bagging. Forged steel after all is clamping pressure just really really high.
He made the mold out of silicone. If he made it out of epoxy the part he was trying to make the mold off of would have bonded to the part and never would of released.
Wouldn't u press the end, clamp that spot, then move a few inches, press & clamp that spot and work ur way to the other end so that every clamped part has the psi clamped from the press? Instead of the middle having high clamping force and the ends just have however much u can turn a C-clamp by hand? Just a thought🤷♂️
I'd like to put a public safety announcement for people in the comments who think they're smart that this process is in fact called forged carbon. I don't care if you disagree with the name, you didnt name it. Also anyone saying this isn't carbon fibre is double stupid, yes it is, just because it uses short fibres doesnt magically change what material it is. There was one guy who was saying that this couldn't be carbon fibre because an autoclave wasn't used... Let's take a moment to do some education. Carbon FIBRE refers to the strands of fibre, made from... Carbon! The matrix (in this case resin) doesn't mean it isn't or is a carbon fibre part, as long as it has a matrix of some kind it is a CFRP. Most carbon fibre is sold separately to the matrix, often called "dry fabric", and the resin is added to the carbon either with a brush (basic hand layup) often with additional pressure such as a vacuum or as we see in the video. Some CF, is sold with the resin already impregnated into the structure, called pre-preg, this fabric needs to be placed inside an autoclave otherwise it will not cure, as the resin must be very hot to harden quickly. If you want more information Easy Composites has a lot of knowledge out there on their website and youtube (including forged carbon fibre), so commentors can be properly informed
Pretty good. I gave you a thumbs up. Pre-preg can be cured without an autoclave. But it does need to be heated up in an oven. You can vacuum bag it then cure it in an ordinary curing oven.
It's loads of resin, lot less strength then than carbon fabric oriented right, vacuum and cured in ovens...this is more like glass reinforced plastic, ones for roffing and stuff like that...heavier than "real" carbon part definitely
dude, there's an old adage at play here. the more that you need to explain, the more that you sound like you're talking bullshit. in this case you said it yourself, it's a block of epoxy resin filled with chips of carbon-fiber. It's not a carbon-fiber part. It's an amalgam of carbon-fiber chips bound by epoxy resin. It's literally no stronger than the resin. It's literally like saying that a woman is your girlfriend because you exchange email with her. You know OF her. That doesn't mean that she's your girlfriend. In this case the carbon-fiber chips are not providing the main function that distinguishes carbon-fiber from other materials, they are not providing the lateral strength that carbon-fiber parts are known for. FORGED carbon-fiber? Don't even get me started. why don't you fill your mold with gold and epoxy and call it forged gold. You'd be much closer. ps yes I know what Easy Composites is. And why they don't call this "forged carbon-fiber" either. You should ask them. This is literally one of the most dumbest, most fraudulent things that I've ever seen. If you were just to wrap a sheet of proper carbon-fiber around a frame and process it properly as Easy Composites would happily assist you in doing, you'd have a proper carbon-fiber part. But no you have to try to differentiate and elevate your product. Fraudulently. Did you get a masters' degree from Trump University?
@touristguy87 this is still stronger than the resin alone, these small chopped fibers still act as a reinforcement to a resin matrix. Its not as if they arent even there. It has its uses and what you call the product or the process really doesn't matter
Idk how you’re not getting resin rich areas by just pressing/clamping the moulds together without any peel ply or absorption cloth. Also- what compound are the moulds made out of?
The only guys besides Lamborghini and Callaway I've seen actually make Forged Carbon _correctly_ ....for the most part lol, you're still missing a couple big steps lol, but you've taken it further than 98% of the rest of the aftermarket suppliers or carbon/composite parts and accessories....so there's that 😅👍🏼
used scrap tows have turned into decorative heavy parts. Generally useless in structural applications, or about anywhere you want to get the actual use of composite materials.
Love all the small brains in this comment section that think forging needs to be done with heat. Ever heard of cold forging, drop forging, etc. absolutely nowhere in the definition of forging does it state heat is a requirement. You might just be a little upset it doesn’t happen in the way YOU expect it to ….
That thing has 0 strength. You drop that part and it will shatter. Im a professional laminator and i work with carbon kevlar and carbon fiber. The strength is in the weaving of the material. Thats why when you run over rocks in boats that are chop you get a gapping hole. With woven material you might get a slice that doesnt go through.
Have 0 strength yet Lamborghini is using it for suspension and monocoque. XD I'm going to stick with engineers that know what they are doing, than some random dude claiming he's "professional laminator". Just stick to laminating and do it according to blueprints because you know nothing about engineering.
@@erik365365365 Forging means shaping a material, usually metal, by compressive forces with or without heat. You're specifically referring to hot forging, which is just a type of forging.
Cheer~~~the chemical element of atomic number 6, a nonmetal which has two main forms (diamond and graphite) and which also occurs in impure form in charcoal, soot, and coal.😊
Isnt forged when a machine laser cuts(or water jets) a huge metal block into something(Like a wheel). Molds are used for casting Edit: Two shorts later I learned that this process is, indeed, called forged carbon fibre
The new way bike manufacturers are doing carbon frames and wheels with nylon carbon called forged bond carbon all this is what the recycled off cuts is it from a carbon manufacturer in Japan? Reason their now using this process is because its 100% recyclable whare as the original carbon fibre is not but forged bonding doesn't use any resins its just heat moulded
no. it is not forget. it is compressed. forging needs temperature at 80% of melting temperature. carbon fibers do burn at 3'500 degrees celsius and do not melt. hence, carbon fiber cannot be forged. the best you can do is autoclaving.
It's funny that ppl are afraid to like this comment. If I could like twice I would. Then again, I been offending ppl since before they stopped identifying as ppl so,🤷♂️🤣
I guess people are totally offended by the construction field, because most parts are referred to as male and female, especially in the plumbing and electrical construction fields. Even in the electronics field, many parts are referred to as male and female.
Ironically there are only two choices, Male or Female truly this will not evolve or transform from the basic format and no one has to love it or even live by it yet everythings out there should just reckonotice to move forward..💩
That is STEEL. Forged Carbon is by pressing short, randomly oriented carbon fiber strands into a two piece mold. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_composite
Kinda correct.. Forged composite is a casting process. Forged Carbon is by pressing short, randomly oriented carbon fiber strands into a two piece mold. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_composite
This is what forged carbon fibre is... I don't care if you disagree with the name, that's what composite engineers refer to this process. I suggest you educate yourself on topics before talking about something you know very little about. EasyComposites has good information on their website if you'd like to learn more
@mrinconclusive83 Oh, so you don't know about forged carbon parts. Why don't you give UA-cam a little search and see what can be made with this process. Also, you'll see the actual strength that can be achieved. I will say if they did actually use epoxy and not resin as required, yeah this part might not be the strongest.
Forged composite is a casting process that uses pressure to increase strength, similar to forging. Forged Carbon is created by pressing short, randomly oriented carbon fiber strands into a two piece mold. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_composite
![How to Make a Forged Carbon Fiber Engine Cover [DIY]](/img/n.gif)
Ever since Superfast Matt said that "forged" carbon fiber is the OSB/MDF of composites, I can't see it the same as I used to.
Same shit, now, hdf would be "forged" carbon
I’ve been adding ham sandwiches to my composites ever since
@@smartaIec GOD that part was disgusting. Probably the most irritating thing he's ever done, and he doesn't really do many things I dislike in his videos. His presentation and delivery are great, the production quality is good, and the content/builds themselves are cool and high effort/value as well.
@@Drunken_Hamster Don't forget the other bits
He didn't understand the material at all and he did an awful job on purpose to denigrate it.
Take a look at Easy Composit videos, optimized carbon fiber perform better than cnc aluminium.
As anything, it has its use cases where it's a valid solution and there are cases where it should not be used.
I bet you can build a submarine out of this to visit titanic
Would be extra cooler if we use Logitech Controllers to control the sub!
😮😅😊😂
Let's bring a kid with us.
i bet you can’t 😂
“Just think of the history we can accomplish”
Adding a small gap with wax or something when making the mould halves really helps expel the excess epoxy.
I was thinking that. I DIDDY my pieces with a little baby oil😈😝
Ik you struggled with the finished part with lots of bubbles and empty spots. As per my experience you need to add more resin and chopped carbon fibre into the mold than usual. Best indicator for that is the resin and CF should flow out of the mold while applying pressure. And yes! Great work and dont listen to those dumb who have no idea what forged CF is.
You ever do compression molds like this with pre preg weave or fabric weave instead of chopped ?
@@reasonsunknown6707 why would you use pre preg for forged?
You can also add strength by laying long, continuous tows (strands) of carbon fiber along the length, and width of the part. Still, it sure turned out nice!
Cool. It's called Forged Carbon because of the short, chopped fiber strands. I think Lamborghini uses a heated press to form their production parts.
I think they're using the term forged because they're using clamping pressure instead of gravity or vacuum bagging. Forged steel after all is clamping pressure just really really high.
Lamborghini barely used forged carbon fibre
@@T0NYMANUEL Bro Lamborghini literally owns the trademark for Forged Carbon
No, false. CF needs to be make in a vacuum oven. That’s a cheap plastic resine with glitter
Autoclave?
That looks freaking sick!
What material do
you Use for the mold?
What is the yellow bucket?
EpoxAcast 650. Casting epoxy
Is it any lighter once it's as thick as the aluminium part?
What’s that mold making material you’re using?
Epoxy!
Did you even hear the audio?
He made the mold out of silicone. If he made it out of epoxy the part he was trying to make the mold off of would have bonded to the part and never would of released.
I plan on doing this with the valve covers on my truck. I love the look of forged CF.
truly nice work :)
請問模具是用什麼製作？
Is it real carbon fiber
😢Can u put magnet & Air Rub it through too. Will it fly off?? Video have!!😊
How do you calculate the required clamping force?
That looks like an obsidian
Wouldn't u press the end, clamp that spot, then move a few inches, press & clamp that spot and work ur way to the other end so that every clamped part has the psi clamped from the press? Instead of the middle having high clamping force and the ends just have however much u can turn a C-clamp by hand? Just a thought🤷♂️
I think for this application it shouldn't be an issue. the mold should help distribute the weight and the part is purely decorative anyways.
@@wigit2216 ahhh, gotcha👍
@jstranger5584 still a decent idea to consider
Does it fit though looks a little smaller or maybe it’s the camera angle
Stunning 🤩
very cool, but what is this part actually for? And is it lighter?
It’s a valve cover
It is possible to do with carbon fiber fabric
What about the under side? Or actual application? It's really cool, though!
I'd like to put a public safety announcement for people in the comments who think they're smart that this process is in fact called forged carbon. I don't care if you disagree with the name, you didnt name it. Also anyone saying this isn't carbon fibre is double stupid, yes it is, just because it uses short fibres doesnt magically change what material it is.
There was one guy who was saying that this couldn't be carbon fibre because an autoclave wasn't used...
Let's take a moment to do some education. Carbon FIBRE refers to the strands of fibre, made from... Carbon! The matrix (in this case resin) doesn't mean it isn't or is a carbon fibre part, as long as it has a matrix of some kind it is a CFRP.
Most carbon fibre is sold separately to the matrix, often called "dry fabric", and the resin is added to the carbon either with a brush (basic hand layup) often with additional pressure such as a vacuum or as we see in the video.
Some CF, is sold with the resin already impregnated into the structure, called pre-preg, this fabric needs to be placed inside an autoclave otherwise it will not cure, as the resin must be very hot to harden quickly.
If you want more information Easy Composites has a lot of knowledge out there on their website and youtube (including forged carbon fibre), so commentors can be properly informed
Pretty good. I gave you a thumbs up. Pre-preg can be cured without an autoclave. But it does need to be heated up in an oven. You can vacuum bag it then cure it in an ordinary curing oven.
Ok merd chill 😅😅😅😅
It's loads of resin, lot less strength then than carbon fabric oriented right, vacuum and cured in ovens...this is more like glass reinforced plastic, ones for roffing and stuff like that...heavier than "real" carbon part definitely
dude, there's an old adage at play here.
the more that you need to explain, the more that you sound like you're talking bullshit.
in this case you said it yourself, it's a block of epoxy resin filled with chips of carbon-fiber. It's not a carbon-fiber part. It's an amalgam of carbon-fiber chips bound by epoxy resin. It's literally no stronger than the resin.
It's literally like saying that a woman is your girlfriend because you exchange email with her. You know OF her. That doesn't mean that she's your girlfriend. In this case the carbon-fiber chips are not providing the main function that distinguishes carbon-fiber from other materials, they are not providing the lateral strength that carbon-fiber parts are known for.
FORGED carbon-fiber?
Don't even get me started.
why don't you fill your mold with gold and epoxy and call it forged gold. You'd be much closer.
ps yes I know what Easy Composites is. And why they don't call this "forged carbon-fiber" either. You should ask them.
This is literally one of the most dumbest, most fraudulent things that I've ever seen. If you were just to wrap a sheet of proper carbon-fiber around a frame and process it properly as Easy Composites would happily assist you in doing, you'd have a proper carbon-fiber part. But no you have to try to differentiate and elevate your product. Fraudulently. Did you get a masters' degree from Trump University?
@touristguy87 this is still stronger than the resin alone, these small chopped fibers still act as a reinforcement to a resin matrix. Its not as if they arent even there. It has its uses and what you call the product or the process really doesn't matter
Idk how you’re not getting resin rich areas by just pressing/clamping the moulds together without any peel ply or absorption cloth.
Also- what compound are the moulds made out of?
Very VERY BEAUTIFUL
Beautiful
The only guys besides Lamborghini and Callaway I've seen actually make Forged Carbon _correctly_ ....for the most part lol, you're still missing a couple big steps lol, but you've taken it further than 98% of the rest of the aftermarket suppliers or carbon/composite parts and accessories....so there's that 😅👍🏼
What does the resin fail at temperature wise?
And is the resin resistant to fuel and oil?
Bad ass!!!!!!❤
What do you use for mold release
used scrap tows have turned into decorative heavy parts. Generally useless in structural applications, or about anywhere you want to get the actual use of composite materials.
Totally agree 😢
So how well would that hold up on a engine
Whats the items to make the mold?
Can you post the link for the materials?
chinarello bikes?
Is the forging in part 2?
Very nice 😊
Idk why but watching people turn regular parts into carbon fiber or Forged carbon fiber is quite therapeutic
Nice
Hey you have the mold how much to make 2 for me I have the same ford Shelby engine
If I hear that low quality voice I assume everything else in the video is low quality then skip
Why not lay weave????
what was the spray before the epoxy??
its called mold release. it creates a thin even layer that the epoxy wont stick to
В России за такую визуальную часть оторвали бы руки "мастеру"
Love all the small brains in this comment section that think forging needs to be done with heat. Ever heard of cold forging, drop forging, etc. absolutely nowhere in the definition of forging does it state heat is a requirement.
You might just be a little upset it doesn’t happen in the way YOU expect it to ….
To expand on your comment, it looks to be a coil cover to give the V10 a bit of flair. It's not an aircraft landing gear strut.
How do you make a matte finish version?
Sand it and don’t polish
there are different types of clear coat
Fancy c clamp press, very professional./S
What epoxy ?
I want to know what the epoxy they used for the mold
Impressive
What was wrong with the original part?
That thing has 0 strength. You drop that part and it will shatter. Im a professional laminator and i work with carbon kevlar and carbon fiber. The strength is in the weaving of the material. Thats why when you run over rocks in boats that are chop you get a gapping hole. With woven material you might get a slice that doesnt go through.
Have 0 strength yet Lamborghini is using it for suspension and monocoque. XD
I'm going to stick with engineers that know what they are doing, than some random dude claiming he's "professional laminator". Just stick to laminating and do it according to blueprints because you know nothing about engineering.
Forged?
My god 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Hate that it’s called forged cause that not forging
Same idea as forging
Yes, it's forging, not all forging is done with forge oven.
@@TheDJOblivion means to heat then hammer… hence this is not classically forging. The cf industry has pilfered the term from the metal industry
@@erik365365365 yes, thats one of the definitions, which I've already said I know.
@@erik365365365 Forging means shaping a material, usually metal, by compressive forces with or without heat.
You're specifically referring to hot forging, which is just a type of forging.
That's not forging. That's a variant of poured casting. A totaly different process than forging.
Cheer~~~the chemical element of atomic number 6, a nonmetal which has two main forms (diamond and graphite) and which also occurs in impure form in charcoal, soot, and coal.😊
Isnt forged when a machine laser cuts(or water jets) a huge metal block into something(Like a wheel). Molds are used for casting
Edit: Two shorts later I learned that this process is, indeed, called forged carbon fibre
Forged carbon fiber? You mean the scraps?
Nice but downvote because of the voice, happy new year
Now I want to make custom valve covers
Any progress ?
@@amierasycap4870 not yet its a job for the spring
Where do you get the computer girl?
It's just fiberboard but out of expensive fiber instead of cheap fiber
By bare hands, are you crazy
Wow
The new way bike manufacturers are doing carbon frames and wheels with nylon carbon called forged bond carbon all this is what the recycled off cuts is it from a carbon manufacturer in Japan? Reason their now using this process is because its 100% recyclable whare as the original carbon fibre is not but forged bonding doesn't use any resins its just heat moulded
DON'T put carbon straight into a epoxy mold 😂
Nothing forged about it. Use of this term needs to die off. Nice work though, looks clean!
Forged? Pooring resin and carbon fiber into a mold...nothing forged...😅
That's not forged carbon .there is no significant pressure applied .
So really it’s just epoxy with some carbon spinkles for some effect!? You could even make one with glitter for a Honda? 😂
Epoxy cost more than make the part with a specialist...
“Hopefully” I don’t think so.
Looks nice....... but what about the heat that the valve cover is going to experience. Seems like a waste of carbon
From my understanding that would be cast not forged
This is like fiberglass chop shot... which isnt as good as hand laid
omg
Urm where is the pressurised oven?.
obviously no clue what " forging" is
...damm, is nothing sacred these days.
no.
it is not forget.
it is compressed.
forging needs temperature at 80% of melting temperature.
carbon fibers do burn at 3'500 degrees celsius and do not melt.
hence, carbon fiber cannot be forged.
the best you can do is autoclaving.
I dont think they know what forged means
That is cast not forged
Formed not forged
Sintered at best
It’s weaker than normal cf cloth/weave
There do I buy the material that you create the mold/form. And what to use to it ain’t stuck to the part I want the mold from?
Thank you!
The voice is grating
dOn't uSe gEnDeReD LaNgUaGe tHeReS No sUcH ThInGs aS MaLe aNd fEmAlE
It's funny that ppl are afraid to like this comment. If I could like twice I would. Then again, I been offending ppl since before they stopped identifying as ppl so,🤷♂️🤣
“Did you just assume that mold’s gender?!” 😂
I guess people are totally offended by the construction field, because most parts are referred to as male and female, especially in the plumbing and electrical construction fields. Even in the electronics field, many parts are referred to as male and female.
Ironically that community also uses the terms cope and drag
Ironically there are only two choices, Male or Female truly this will not evolve or transform from the basic format and no one has to love it or even live by it yet everythings out there should just reckonotice to move forward..💩
You need a press slamming tons , like hundreds of tons on hot metal to forge steel. The term for this is cast.
That is STEEL. Forged Carbon is by pressing short, randomly oriented carbon fiber strands into a two piece mold. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_composite
It’s called forged carbon.
Doesn't matter, it's called forged carbon whether you like it or not
@@lucasblanchard47
Every step in production is borrowed from casting practices
d3378 yes but it's called forged carbon lol
That’s not a carbon fiber part, that’s like fiber glass but with fibers inside. Not the same strength of resistance of the CF
its a form of forged carbon and its strong
You're right that it won't be as strong as the fibres are short, but those are literally carbon fibres, it is a CF part
I call bullshit
Heat curing is pending . Strength might be compromised
Such a cheap shity look
No. You first need to polish this then you got the end result
That would be a cast, not forge...
Kinda correct.. Forged composite is a casting process. Forged Carbon is by pressing short, randomly oriented
carbon fiber strands into a two piece mold.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_composite
That doesn't matter, it's the name of the process, candy paint is tinted clearcoat, not a sugary treat, still called candy
Not forged or layered carbon fibre. Trash piece
This is what forged carbon fibre is... I don't care if you disagree with the name, that's what composite engineers refer to this process. I suggest you educate yourself on topics before talking about something you know very little about. EasyComposites has good information on their website if you'd like to learn more
No strength at all
The epoxy aline is strong af. If you add heat to it however, not so much
What makes you say that?
@@peterpizzurro shaved Carbon bits and Epoxy
Epoxy is brittle and the shaved Carbon holds no strength hence why they use sheets not shavings
@mrinconclusive83 Oh, so you don't know about forged carbon parts. Why don't you give UA-cam a little search and see what can be made with this process. Also, you'll see the actual strength that can be achieved.
I will say if they did actually use epoxy and not resin as required, yeah this part might not be the strongest.
Definitely not forged
Forged composite is a casting process that uses pressure to increase strength, similar to forging. Forged Carbon is created by pressing short, randomly oriented
carbon fiber strands into a two piece mold.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forged_composite
Yes it is
@@SBS_Auto that's casted not forged. Forged is with fire and metal
@johnpfeiffer1572 wrong. Cast is not compressed. Cast is stationary and filled with liquid.