the first con you mention, the randomness, actually does happen with actual cam swaps as well, and that is actually awesome IMO, much better than the constant brap brap
Yeah but the lope changes almost completely, I probably should have been more specific lol! But one of the things I don't like, but I guess its a you love it or hate it thing.
Good to see the POV of “non car people”... everything you went over is literally how any car works when you go for “chop”, the chop is happening because of scheduled inefficiency. You car will be perfectly fine. once you get used to driving around the inefficient areas, you won’t even notice you are doing it. The A/C compressor puts load on your engine so it pulls the idle down, not a “feature” of the tune but sounds good either way. No shade, just throwing stuff out there to let people know, nothing you went over is actually a reason to not get the tune.
@@isaacocasio3165 basically valve overlap/ valves being open at a non “optimal time” . For example in a pushrod motor, to be as efficient as possible at high rpm the low rpm winds up with “inefficient” valve timing. With phaseable Ohc you can tell the phaser to run at the high rpm “efficiency” at idle and you will get the chop. Cam chop is not harmful if done correctly. Lund does it correctly. Slap too much lift into a pushrod motor and you risk valve/piston collision, too much overlap/ duration can make that even more likely. Basically if you don’t have a full comprehension of how it’s gonna work, just contact someone who does. It will save a ton of $$.
The stock cams are actually pretty aggressive. The engine runs smooth because of the independent cam timing. They lock the cam timing at certain degrees and that causes them to chop.
@DavyDave1313 The coyote engine is equipped with 4 camshafts. Each camshaft has a camphaser. The cam phaser allows the camshaft timing to be advanced or retarded in relation to the crankshaft. By retarding the timing on the exhaust camshafts and advancing the intake camshafts you increase the overlap of the intake and exhaust valves. This causes the length of time that the intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time to be extended. The benefits are increasing horsepower and peak torque. The cons are loss of low speed torque/drive ability, rough idle, and loss of engine vacuum at idle. The rough idle gives the car that chopping sound that people like.
@@DavyDave1313 lope (not chop, chop is caused by the idle controller bouncing up and down) is caused by valve overlap. This means that the intake and exhaust valve are both open at the same time. On an old OHV engine, this is fixed, which is why they lope. On a coyote, you have independent control of the exhaust and intake cams so you can actually spread the valve events apart so there is no overlap at idle and then at higher rpms where overlap help the engine make power, you can bring it back. All the ghost cam tune does is stop the VVT from taking out this overlap at idle.
If you lock out stock cams even stock chops. I would not do that because the tivct is one of the best things about coyotes imo. Anything short of a full on race car should not delete it imo.
I run an E85 tune with ghost cam on my Shelby GT350. It sounds amazing and doesn't affect your performance. My cats and resonator are deleted, and it sounds sick! It has a nice rough idle, it's not for wussies.
You seem like a pretty smart guy. All of the problems that you're talking about are what happens when you run an engine with a large cam. All this is doing is locking your cams at full lobe. This is all normal stuff.
@Retro_Afterglow no all it does is set the duration for the cams by locking out the vvt on certain cams look up the cam specs for the 5.0 vs a stage 3 or 4 ls cam pretty much the same
@@kingstyle7314 it doesn't set duration, that is a fixed event. It pulls the LSA closer together while in idle circuit like it does when you reach about 3k rpm.
The car will buck and jump if you put the right size cams in the motor, the ghost cam tune is simple an easier and cheaper way to get the old school lope and chop note from the exhaust.
That's exactly what it's like to drive a cammed pushrod motor and what makes them fun. Shit at idle and screaming in the powerband. Sounds like a full pre-coyote experience to me. They should make it so you have to press the gas a few times before starting it lol.
All the reasons you’ve said apply to actual cams too. The Ac changes the sound, you have to constantly push in the clutch or else it will jerk forward with each chop, and it’s loud ASF! I’ve had a cammed 3v.
@@nikonhckr I had a cammed 3v with long tubes and straight pipes dumped at the rear axle, sounded so freaking good but the constant cam buck around parking lots with the 3650 did get annoying. But with the 4.30 gears the cams really pulled hard, miss that car.
Basically what you should expect when you cam something drive ability is bound to not be as good... don't these were much problems really just more what people need to expect. Props for making a video explaining you experience thi
Maybe you weren't aware that with actual big cams there is no consistancy to the lope. If there is consistency, then the cam is actually mild. . Big cams shake the car too. And even with an actual big cam, when the AC engages it will idle up.
Everything you mentioned is what happens with real cams. I put Ford Racing Hot Rod cams in my 2010 Mustang GT manual. A lot more money, with very small HP gain.
It’s literally not a problem get the tune. Nothing wrong with the tune, ran my gt350 on the Lund cam tune for most of its life. Fuel mileage is literally no different while driving. All the things he “complained” about are literally to be expected.
All those cons sound like pros to me, lol. The driveability is honestly pretty tame when compared to an old car with a big cam... Definitely a fun tune to run when going to Cars & Coffee or something, but I agree I wouldn't run it full time.
#1 reason is VCT was invented so you dont have to compromise low RPM power for high RPM power with a choppy cam. Choppy cams suck at low RPM, its not fighting the trans you just have less power.
The Boss 302 comes from the factory with a ghost cam tune. It has 2 different keys. The normal key and the red track key. The track key enables a “ghost cam tune” among a bunch of other things. I’ve been driving with exclusively the red key for 40k miles
I read a story from a guy who owned one and he talked about those keys. Essentially, he said when he asked the salesman about the difference and he got his answer, he simply said "oh". On his way out the door, he turned around and asked the salesman the safest way to dispose of a car key. The salesman was confused as to why he wouldn't just keep it as a spare. The guys response? "If I have to use the normal key because I lost the red one, I lost the right to drive her until I get another red one again...I won't make her pay for my mistake"
All I can say is the ghost cam tune is spot on!!! I’d run it all the time. The stock tune is lame! You have all the sound benefits of a big cam/s at idle and no power/torque decrease at part/full throttle. It’s a win win!
There are multiple cam phase tunes you can go with in regards to the cam tune. Mine is tuned to just idle with no load and once i engage into first gear, it goes away and chops once more at idle
Lol this dude doesn’t even know about cams and the “inconsistent” lopes. Had a 89 302 280h comp in it. Had inconsistent lope timing just like any other cammed v8
I love all the negatives that he gives. Then he talks about how much more throatier it is and gets on it a little. Only time he smiles. How ironic,, not worth it, but it makes you smile. Sounds worth it to me bud, just say'n.
@@persianstig "Bad" being very subjective in this. People do these kinds of tunes and or cam upgrades because of how great it sounds and the trade-offs are well worth it in their eyes. Look at your comments section just as a single layer of proof. Better yet, look at your smile despite your entire click-bait video. Your video should be "Things to consider before doing a Ghost Cam Tune" as it would be more accurate to the actual video you made. You counter your click-bait title with your body language and one line of dialogue. Which is why it's ironic and I'm calling bs. I honestly clicked the video because I wanted to know if my choice to go with one could cause damage or be truly detrimental to my engine. There is value in getting stories from people who did it vs reading cold hard facts on a matter from the performance experts. I don't appreciate the fact that you wasted my time with your misleading title just to smile in my face at the end.
It is when you don’t know how to drive with it on the car, and yes it could cause harm to your engine (in the long run), you could wear your clutch more, or your transmission. It just depends as i mention. I’m glad you watch it though
@@persianstig Which is why you should have titled it "Things to consider" since learning how to drive differently is a good idea but it isn't required. Saying it could cause harm in the long run is grasping at straws. Could say the same thing about long-tube headers because they produce more heat and more heat in the engine bay means more ware on the electronics / plastics. Wearing your clutch and how hard you are on your drivetrain comes from driver experience more than anything else. Considering how tuned back these vehicles are from the factory and the ability for the stock components to handle power the wear you would see would be linked to riding the clutch or dropping it at high RPMs not from the fact that you have to be more precise on clutch engagement with your throttle. This all falls under "considering", not reasons as to why you "don't" want it. Example: I love the Voodoo 5.2 motor and don't give a crap about the vibrations and quite enjoy them actually. I would suggest that anyone looking at the Voodoo 5.2 motor to take that into consideration before building/purchasing as it can be quite unpleasant if you aren't used to that kind of thing. I wouldn't say it is a reason you don't want the motor as it has it's trade offs. High rev'ing monster, amazing exhaust note, and what you "could" consider the pinnacle of American V8 N/A design as there has been nothing like it to date released from an American manufacture. It is truly an impressive feat in engineering no matter how you slice it regardless of your opinion. Doesn't mean it's your cup of tea though. Ghost cam tunes are pretty awesome and allow for some great exhaust notes and more of an aggressive muscle car driving experience. This doesn't mean it's your cup of tea though but no matter how you slice it It is quite impressive that we can do it with a modern motor and that can't be disputed. Your whole video comes down to personal preference and realistic expectations of what you want. Own that and be proud of what you made. Stop pretending your video is something it isn't.
So young man I know for a fact you have never driven any type of vehicle with a camshaft. Everything you just complained about with the ghost cam is no different than if you had a real camshaft in a fox body Mustang no matter if it was F.I. or Carburated. You have google at your fingertips to educate yourself before making comments. look up why camshafts sound the way they do and don't go on Mustang 6G or other forums. Go to Comp, Edelbrock, Crower, or call them to get yourself well versed on the subject of camshafts and also how an engine really works and I'm not being funny. One guy that is awesome to listen to and watch and learn from is Steve Morris on youtube.
Once the ghost cam is done you're SUPPOSED to get ur ACTUAL ecu configured by a professional so they cab then properly tune your ecu with the ghost cam software
@@persianstig right but im sure it's worth it with the power gains instead of just sounding like the car is mean as hell and then running like a stock engine if it has to be driven in anger...
Any mechanical/performance issues good or bad that you noticed running the ghost cam all the time? It’s also my weekend/nice days ride don’t really care about loudness and gas mileage 😁. Thanks in advance. About to load the tune this weekend!!!
I have the ghost cam tune and honestly it isn't that bad. You do have to constantly push the clutch more and also every start up you have to wait until it starts chopping, because it'll jerk the car alot or it will shut off . Also you don't have to keep it constantly at 1200 rpm, I have mine set at stock idle rmp and the rpms go up by themselves. One last thing when you have your AC on and you're at a stop you have to roll down the windows because the fumes will go inside your car so if it's raining or cold or hot you're going to have to face it.
The ghost cam is da bomb shuffle. It’s the: my car scares me too sound. It’s the 60s 427 legend. Ok Obviously it’s not that but it makes us feel like it’s what we’re driving. There’s no deny the rhythmic ghost cam lope. It sounds dope. If they ask - Don’t say it’s cams. Say its ghost cams. If they want to run - tell them you want to change the tune. There’s no reason to fib about it. 🎉hooray for ghost cams that sound is really the only soundtrack for any muscle car.
Mustang guy,, this is very true, I have a foxbody with a 402w and the cam is 252/260 duration and it’s cut on a 109 lsa. It bucks surges and if you have a steep set of gear you won’t have to slip the clutch,, but yeah the coyote engine with a lope tune is pretty smooth compared to the big cammed foxbody
I use to live in SF too! Honestly you won’t have much problems with this tune. Daily driving isn’t recommended though, you would use a lot more of clutch if you’re stick shift. Glad you liked the video🙏🏼
@@carlosandresh__ still not worth it, by the time you get them installed, tuned, along with all the supplemental equipment needed to run them you’d be better off just saving your cash and buying a supercharger.
@@javimartinez1801 you miss the point of reliability but hey it all depends on what you plan on doing with the car. Fun everyday beater and fast stay n/a. Big power weekend only beater then a blower would make sense Bc you can break shit a lot Easier with a supercharger if this makes sense.
i could see this being a problem for me because at lights when i know its about to turn green ill let my clutch out to the bite point where youll start moving without hitting the gas and with the rpm so low i can imagine that chop will make my car lurch in sync with the chop until i actually get going. that kinda sucks but this tune sounds so cool
Wait so you’re telling that if I were to get a Lund ghost cam tune on my mustang I won’t be able to race it anymore since I could blow out my engine since it’s forcing it so much or can that be fixed with other modifications?
It's baffling that in 2021/2022 it takes several, several minutes to load a tune. You'd think you could save the tune to your phone, or laptop or tuning device, turn off the car, upload the tune and drive off, literally 30 seconds from beginning to end.
if your ghost cam tune affects driving then it was made wrong! it should be under idle controling and not actual ignition map ecu distinguishes between idling and driving
AC on adds more load hence why it changes. Does this on and Cammed car. Also no Cammed car just chops the same the whole time. Watch my Cammed 3 valve chop and you’ll know. It’s a cycle.
Hey I just watched a video of a guy that does those tunes he explained that the tune is creating a misfire so it's messing with your timing at idol he explained that it doesn't really hurt the motor you are going to use more fuel. You might go through plugs more but all in all it's not going to hurt your motor. The tune is made to only engage at idle. I think it sounds great and honestly for the money we pay for these cars you think that it would have that sound from the factory. They would sell more cars right, everyone loves that sound. Stage 3 cams and Detroit rockers that's what I'm eventually going to do. Be safe no disrespect.
The thing you want is a non consistent sound that's what a real cam is supposed to sound like not the same sound all the time it's supposed to be chop chop chop bloop chop bloop chop bloop is that That's what mine does and I love it The rougher the chop the better it sounds
I wonder why the hell Ford decides to switch the tack and speed back and forth on different year cars? My '01 and my '13 (both manuals) have the tach on the right side.
“When you turn the A/C on it changes it, it’s a funny feature” 😂. No it’s called load and when you turn the A/C on it loads the engine down, also known as lowering the rpm which in turn makes it chop more
Good vid...as a 2011 Camaro SS owner with fbo and cam the lope of a real cam isn't consistent? But running a ghost cam causes more idiots wanting to try you. Tons of people ask me what my set up is. What do you say when asked?
Funny how can trans and engine fight each when its manual transmission car. I've had many cars with big cams drive just fine auto or manual trans. My 70 mach1 with solid roller in 351C 4V .670 lift and would scream to 8000 RPM with auto trans. That car make your sound smooth with its idle. Or Cobra II with 347 with 5 speed not as wild as my 70 is but its right up there. My brother looking at ghost tune for his coyote in 01 cobra. Biggest actually real issue is ghost cam tune with cats still in. Since you have long tube headers most likely no cats soooo yes you will smell fuel
First point: not true at all Second point: good ghost tunes only have the effect in place while in neutral Third point: that's not a downside to a ghost tune, that's a downside to how loud your car is. Besides, ghost tunes don't make your car louder, wtf
sorry to say, but none of this is a reason to not get the ghost cam tune. actual performance cams do this too. the everyday drivability is gone. to avoid riding the clutch rev higher and catch it to get going. i have a cam swapped ls c4 corvette and a ghost cam tuned mustang, the characteristics are almost similar in terms of what you're describing with why you dont think its ideal to run.
Honestly for #2 my E46 just does that xD cause of a clutch delay valve but also same for 3 with the gas I have a muffler delete and removed an engine management fuse to increase fuel rate for them sweet diy pops
no your clutch does not do that because of the delay valve. the whole point of the delay valve is so you cant hard dump the clutch... and just what fuse did you remove?
@@persianstig Sounds like the tuner hasnt tuned the ghost cam properly.. other companies only allow ghost cam in neutral only.. so none of the issues you mentioned are an issue. Try a different tuner? or ask the tuner to adjust it?
To me, mustangs and cam chop doesn’t go together. The coyote especially already sounds amazing at idle with that DOHC. These tunes sound better on challengers or Camaros.
Everything with this is wrong, the whole talk about Ghost cam is kinda a false narrative. This tune is solely taking the cam phasers out of the equation and not allowing the computer to change came timing to run smooth. The factory cams are aggressive in these cars.
The jerking is actually just bad tuning. It should be at idle not anywhere near 1200. Not even 1000; and please for the love of god stop making it seem like the sound is fake, it’s not fake. Despite the name, the sound is 100% genuine as the cams are aggressive from factory it’s just the VCT is able to give you the best of both worlds. All a ghost cams tune does is lock the position of the cams in a certain position and it changes the timing to give you the chop. It’s not fake it just offers no benefit. You can physically lock out the cams and you will get the same sound, but because the biggest benefit of a coyote or voodoo is the VCT, doing so is stupid for anything outside of serious racing applications.
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Every time I see a guy with his hand over his face. Saying something like"Did I make a mistake?". Makes me wanna gouge out my eyes with a spoon
All positive vibes bro🙌🏼
Was it a bad idea to reply to this comment??
(Not clickbait) 🤦♂️
All youtube thumbnails are 1 of 3 things.
1. Red circle with red arrow
2. Mouth open eyes wide open (shocked face)
3. Facepalm
@@persianstig Ignoring solid feedback and just spitting out "all positive vibes bro" is not gunna help you push past 76 subs.
Hey now
Everything you said was a downside sounded like a benefit to me lol
Right and it was also incorrect
He just has a case of the little screens
@@jukem3602 😂😂😂😂😂
Everything is backwards in California
@@jukem3602talking about premium vs not premium?
the first con you mention, the randomness, actually does happen with actual cam swaps as well, and that is actually awesome IMO, much better than the constant brap brap
Yeah but the lope changes almost completely, I probably should have been more specific lol! But one of the things I don't like, but I guess its a you love it or hate it thing.
It doesn’t chop because it’s a 4 valve. It will never sound like a pushrod engine.
@@dlandis03 big cams and phaser lockouts will make it chop
@@dlandis03 false
@@dlandis03 wrong
Good to see the POV of “non car people”... everything you went over is literally how any car works when you go for “chop”, the chop is happening because of scheduled inefficiency. You car will be perfectly fine. once you get used to driving around the inefficient areas, you won’t even notice you are doing it. The A/C compressor puts load on your engine so it pulls the idle down, not a “feature” of the tune but sounds good either way. No shade, just throwing stuff out there to let people know, nothing you went over is actually a reason to not get the tune.
Is there any reason to not get the tune?
@@blainehiggins1518 nope
@@hahahahaha8660 No performance loss of mechanical issues at all?
Explain the “schedule inefficiency “
@@isaacocasio3165 basically valve overlap/ valves being open at a non “optimal time” . For example in a pushrod motor, to be as efficient as possible at high rpm the low rpm winds up with “inefficient” valve timing. With phaseable Ohc you can tell the phaser to run at the high rpm “efficiency” at idle and you will get the chop. Cam chop is not harmful if done correctly. Lund does it correctly. Slap too much lift into a pushrod motor and you risk valve/piston collision, too much overlap/ duration can make that even more likely. Basically if you don’t have a full comprehension of how it’s gonna work, just contact someone who does. It will save a ton of $$.
The stock cams are actually pretty aggressive. The engine runs smooth because of the independent cam timing. They lock the cam timing at certain degrees and that causes them to chop.
I hear this all the time and it still makes absolutely no sense to me.
@DavyDave1313 The coyote engine is equipped with 4 camshafts. Each camshaft has a camphaser. The cam phaser allows the camshaft timing to be advanced or retarded in relation to the crankshaft. By retarding the timing on the exhaust camshafts and advancing the intake camshafts you increase the overlap of the intake and exhaust valves. This causes the length of time that the intake and exhaust valves are open at the same time to be extended. The benefits are increasing horsepower and peak torque. The cons are loss of low speed torque/drive ability, rough idle, and loss of engine vacuum at idle. The rough idle gives the car that chopping sound that people like.
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@@DavyDave1313 lope (not chop, chop is caused by the idle controller bouncing up and down) is caused by valve overlap. This means that the intake and exhaust valve are both open at the same time. On an old OHV engine, this is fixed, which is why they lope. On a coyote, you have independent control of the exhaust and intake cams so you can actually spread the valve events apart so there is no overlap at idle and then at higher rpms where overlap help the engine make power, you can bring it back.
All the ghost cam tune does is stop the VVT from taking out this overlap at idle.
If you lock out stock cams even stock chops. I would not do that because the tivct is one of the best things about coyotes imo. Anything short of a full on race car should not delete it imo.
I run an E85 tune with ghost cam on my Shelby GT350. It sounds amazing and doesn't affect your performance. My cats and resonator are deleted, and it sounds sick! It has a nice rough idle, it's not for wussies.
You seem like a pretty smart guy. All of the problems that you're talking about are what happens when you run an engine with a large cam. All this is doing is locking your cams at full lobe. This is all normal stuff.
Yeah thats why I made the video, not the best driving experience. Thank you for letting me know!🙏🏼
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@Retro_Afterglow no all it does is set the duration for the cams by locking out the vvt on certain cams look up the cam specs for the 5.0 vs a stage 3 or 4 ls cam pretty much the same
@@kingstyle7314 it doesn't set duration, that is a fixed event. It pulls the LSA closer together while in idle circuit like it does when you reach about 3k rpm.
This guy’s never driven a real hot rod
That is what the tune is for to get attention it's not a performance tune it's just made for people that look at you
Yeah, it is awesome how many people look in shock!
@@persianstig they’re not in shock… lol they’re just like … look at this moron and his gay ass loud mustang… on stock tires 😂😂😂
I've ran an mpt ghost cam for 5 years with no issues at all. Just take care of your car and it's fine🙂
Does it matter what tuner you use and how do I look for the lope tune
Hey buddy glad to see you had the tune in for a while ,are you able to turn it on and off or what's the deal?
Want to run it on my f150
The car will buck and jump if you put the right size cams in the motor, the ghost cam tune is simple an easier and cheaper way to get the old school lope and chop note from the exhaust.
That's exactly what it's like to drive a cammed pushrod motor and what makes them fun. Shit at idle and screaming in the powerband. Sounds like a full pre-coyote experience to me. They should make it so you have to press the gas a few times before starting it lol.
That would be an awesome, hilarious feature. The 4 barrel carb feature, smash the pedal a few times before it activates.
All the reasons you’ve said apply to actual cams too. The Ac changes the sound, you have to constantly push in the clutch or else it will jerk forward with each chop, and it’s loud ASF! I’ve had a cammed 3v.
Having had a cammed 3V too, its not just going to be the same level or smooth and comfortable you're used to. Neither is my cammed 306 sbf.
@@nikonhckr I had a cammed 3v with long tubes and straight pipes dumped at the rear axle, sounded so freaking good but the constant cam buck around parking lots with the 3650 did get annoying. But with the 4.30 gears the cams really pulled hard, miss that car.
You've never driven a car with a cam so big it doesn't make enough vacuum for the 4 wheel drum brakes have ya?
Basically what you should expect when you cam something drive ability is bound to not be as good... don't these were much problems really just more what people need to expect. Props for making a video explaining you experience thi
Thank you man, I appreciate the support!
Maybe you weren't aware that with actual big cams there is no consistancy to the lope. If there is consistency, then the cam is actually mild. . Big cams shake the car too. And even with an actual big cam, when the AC engages it will idle up.
My ss does all of these things 😅 my poor mother said “what’s wrong with it”?
@@crazedisme9666 too bad it doesnt have the benefit of a big cam
Everything you mentioned is what happens with real cams. I put Ford Racing Hot Rod cams in my 2010 Mustang GT manual. A lot more money, with very small HP gain.
Yeah there are other things you can do forsure!
Thanks for the review, your reason #2 is the only thing keeping me from getting it now.
Thank you for the support haha! Thats why I did the video🙏🏼
@@persianstig yw, subscribed since you do mustang stuff lol.
It’s literally not a problem get the tune. Nothing wrong with the tune, ran my gt350 on the Lund cam tune for most of its life. Fuel mileage is literally no different while driving. All the things he “complained” about are literally to be expected.
@@crowdsurfpp2192 really like no difference in fuel mileage at all?
All those cons sound like pros to me, lol. The driveability is honestly pretty tame when compared to an old car with a big cam...
Definitely a fun tune to run when going to Cars & Coffee or something, but I agree I wouldn't run it full time.
bro, had my speakers and sub volume up and when you turned the car on I thought I started my own inside my house LOL
🤣🤣🤣 I hope you enjoyed it🏁
#1 reason is VCT was invented so you dont have to compromise low RPM power for high RPM power with a choppy cam. Choppy cams suck at low RPM, its not fighting the trans you just have less power.
Wow one other person knows this. Congrats. You seem intelligent unlike many here
The Boss 302 comes from the factory with a ghost cam tune. It has 2 different keys. The normal key and the red track key. The track key enables a “ghost cam tune” among a bunch of other things. I’ve been driving with exclusively the red key for 40k miles
I read a story from a guy who owned one and he talked about those keys. Essentially, he said when he asked the salesman about the difference and he got his answer, he simply said "oh". On his way out the door, he turned around and asked the salesman the safest way to dispose of a car key. The salesman was confused as to why he wouldn't just keep it as a spare. The guys response? "If I have to use the normal key because I lost the red one, I lost the right to drive her until I get another red one again...I won't make her pay for my mistake"
That red key almost made me mustang a wall getting on the highway. 🤣
brilliant!@@jackryan4313
Oh yeah, I'm sure the neighbors don't mind your standard tune at all! 🤣 Seriously though, great video!
Thank you!
All I can say is the ghost cam tune is spot on!!! I’d run it all the time. The stock tune is lame! You have all the sound benefits of a big cam/s at idle and no power/torque decrease at part/full throttle. It’s a win win!
Especially for car shows! haha Glad you liked it🏁
There are multiple cam phase tunes you can go with in regards to the cam tune. Mine is tuned to just idle with no load and once i engage into first gear, it goes away and chops once more at idle
bro i like your ecoboost what exhaust is it i really love the build
Lol this dude doesn’t even know about cams and the “inconsistent” lopes. Had a 89 302 280h comp in it. Had inconsistent lope timing just like any other cammed v8
I love all the negatives that he gives. Then he talks about how much more throatier it is and gets on it a little. Only time he smiles. How ironic,, not worth it, but it makes you smile. Sounds worth it to me bud, just say'n.
just some bad things that come with the tune, other than that it sounds good
@@persianstig "Bad" being very subjective in this. People do these kinds of tunes and or cam upgrades because of how great it sounds and the trade-offs are well worth it in their eyes. Look at your comments section just as a single layer of proof. Better yet, look at your smile despite your entire click-bait video. Your video should be "Things to consider before doing a Ghost Cam Tune" as it would be more accurate to the actual video you made. You counter your click-bait title with your body language and one line of dialogue. Which is why it's ironic and I'm calling bs. I honestly clicked the video because I wanted to know if my choice to go with one could cause damage or be truly detrimental to my engine. There is value in getting stories from people who did it vs reading cold hard facts on a matter from the performance experts. I don't appreciate the fact that you wasted my time with your misleading title just to smile in my face at the end.
It is when you don’t know how to drive with it on the car, and yes it could cause harm to your engine (in the long run), you could wear your clutch more, or your transmission. It just depends as i mention. I’m glad you watch it though
@@persianstig Which is why you should have titled it "Things to consider" since learning how to drive differently is a good idea but it isn't required. Saying it could cause harm in the long run is grasping at straws. Could say the same thing about long-tube headers because they produce more heat and more heat in the engine bay means more ware on the electronics / plastics. Wearing your clutch and how hard you are on your drivetrain comes from driver experience more than anything else. Considering how tuned back these vehicles are from the factory and the ability for the stock components to handle power the wear you would see would be linked to riding the clutch or dropping it at high RPMs not from the fact that you have to be more precise on clutch engagement with your throttle. This all falls under "considering", not reasons as to why you "don't" want it.
Example: I love the Voodoo 5.2 motor and don't give a crap about the vibrations and quite enjoy them actually. I would suggest that anyone looking at the Voodoo 5.2 motor to take that into consideration before building/purchasing as it can be quite unpleasant if you aren't used to that kind of thing. I wouldn't say it is a reason you don't want the motor as it has it's trade offs. High rev'ing monster, amazing exhaust note, and what you "could" consider the pinnacle of American V8 N/A design as there has been nothing like it to date released from an American manufacture. It is truly an impressive feat in engineering no matter how you slice it regardless of your opinion. Doesn't mean it's your cup of tea though.
Ghost cam tunes are pretty awesome and allow for some great exhaust notes and more of an aggressive muscle car driving experience. This doesn't mean it's your cup of tea though but no matter how you slice it It is quite impressive that we can do it with a modern motor and that can't be disputed.
Your whole video comes down to personal preference and realistic expectations of what you want. Own that and be proud of what you made. Stop pretending your video is something it isn't.
thank you for the feedback 👍🏼
So young man I know for a fact you have never driven any type of vehicle with a camshaft. Everything you just complained about with the ghost cam is no different than if you had a real camshaft in a fox body Mustang no matter if it was F.I. or Carburated. You have google at your fingertips to educate yourself before making comments. look up why camshafts sound the way they do and don't go on Mustang 6G or other forums. Go to Comp, Edelbrock, Crower, or call them to get yourself well versed on the subject of camshafts and also how an engine really works and I'm not being funny. One guy that is awesome to listen to and watch and learn from is Steve Morris on youtube.
Dude I couldn’t thank you enough for actually selling me on a Ghost Cam tune!
That is what your actual cams sound like! The factory tune smooths that aggressive sound out!
What is your exhaust/ header setup?
Borla Headers, with mbrp cat-back
Once the ghost cam is done you're SUPPOSED to get ur ACTUAL ecu configured by a professional so they cab then properly tune your ecu with the ghost cam software
What wheels and tires do you have on your car??
i had vertini wheels and was 315 in the rear and 275 in the front
A/C changes the exhaust tone slightly with any car
How much more would it be to get an actual cam?
its about like a 4-5k job with parts
@@persianstig right but im sure it's worth it with the power gains instead of just sounding like the car is mean as hell and then running like a stock engine if it has to be driven in anger...
it is when you go for forced induction, other than that its not too worth it when its n/a. Just my opinion though🏁👍🏼
@@persianstig fair enough
I run my ‘17 GT Ghost all the time but I also have other cars to drive, love that tune!!!
Any mechanical/performance issues good or bad that you noticed running the ghost cam all the time? It’s also my weekend/nice days ride don’t really care about loudness and gas mileage 😁. Thanks in advance. About to load the tune this weekend!!!
What’s with the thin blue line gang decal on your car man?
Just wishful thinking for cops to be nicer to me incase i run the ghost cam tune😅
@@persianstig brilliant
I love it on my 18 mustang but I got an automatic so I don't have all that slip clutch
Oh yeah, I am sure it is a lot easier to drive lol!
I have the ghost cam tune and honestly it isn't that bad. You do have to constantly push the clutch more and also every start up you have to wait until it starts chopping, because it'll jerk the car alot or it will shut off . Also you don't have to keep it constantly at 1200 rpm, I have mine set at stock idle rmp and the rpms go up by themselves. One last thing when you have your AC on and you're at a stop you have to roll down the windows because the fumes will go inside your car so if it's raining or cold or hot you're going to have to face it.
I guess mine was a bit different
You did it yourself take it to a professional
How does the 6R80 like the ghost cam tune?
The ghost cam is da bomb shuffle. It’s the: my car scares me too sound. It’s the 60s 427 legend. Ok Obviously it’s not that but it makes us feel like it’s what we’re driving. There’s no deny the rhythmic ghost cam lope. It sounds dope. If they ask - Don’t say it’s cams. Say its ghost cams. If they want to run - tell them you want to change the tune. There’s no reason to fib about it. 🎉hooray for ghost cams that sound is really the only soundtrack for any muscle car.
Sounds like driving a cammed car🤷 ppl need to drive a foxbody with a big cam and then they will see the the luxury of a ghost cam 😆
Oh I bet! We are a bit spoiled LOL. But the smoothest cam car I have driven was an LS
Mustang guy,, this is very true, I have a foxbody with a 402w and the cam is 252/260 duration and it’s cut on a 109 lsa. It bucks surges and if you have a steep set of gear you won’t have to slip the clutch,, but yeah the coyote engine with a lope tune is pretty smooth compared to the big cammed foxbody
I daily drive my 2020 GT, this tune is not recommend for daily driving? I live in SF. Would I have any issues?
I use to live in SF too! Honestly you won’t have much problems with this tune. Daily driving isn’t recommended though, you would use a lot more of clutch if you’re stick shift. Glad you liked the video🙏🏼
Can you run this tune without headers? I've got a 2019 GT stock bar resonator delete and Steeda H Pipe.
Not with stock cats you would flood your cats
Ghost cam is ideal of car show/meet ups
Can this mess up your car on the long run? What if your daily drive your car everyday?
No it shouldn’t, if you know how to drive with it nothing should happen :)
U have to leave the car on while putting a tune on the S550 Coyote Auto?
you dont have to!
1. cams in a 5.0 do hardly anything for performance but sound nice
2. Literally everything you complained are part of a truly built car.
Yes they do lol comp cams stage 3 have a 50-60 hp gain past 6000rpm which is a big gain
@@carlosandresh__ still not worth it, by the time you get them installed, tuned, along with all the supplemental equipment needed to run them you’d be better off just saving your cash and buying a supercharger.
@@javimartinez1801 you miss the point of reliability but hey it all depends on what you plan on doing with the car. Fun everyday beater and fast stay n/a. Big power weekend only beater then a blower would make sense Bc you can break shit a lot Easier with a supercharger if this makes sense.
Where you get your tune for the ghost cam from
Lund racing
What programer u running or who tuned ur car is that out in California
Lund Racing
i could see this being a problem for me because at lights when i know its about to turn green ill let my clutch out to the bite point where youll start moving without hitting the gas and with the rpm so low i can imagine that chop will make my car lurch in sync with the chop until i actually get going. that kinda sucks but this tune sounds so cool
Definitely is a good tune! Just have to be familiar with its driving quirks!
Hey how does a tuner works I’m trying to get one for mines pls I need help
yeah it does work
Wait so you’re telling that if I were to get a Lund ghost cam tune on my mustang I won’t be able to race it anymore since I could blow out my engine since it’s forcing it so much or can that be fixed with other modifications?
Nooo you wont blow out your engine, just if you don’t know how to drive it properly like any cammed car you can mess something up🏁
Sounds like you don’t like the combination of the tune with your exhaust. Your exhaust was raspy with stock tune. Magnified with ghost tune
do they still sell the cam tune? cause i heard the don't
Really???
@@persianstig yeah them and aed as well. however see they offer the cam tune at lethal performance when buy lund
Where do you live where it's rare to hear a mustang sound cammed cause round my way every mustang is cammed or running that tune
california
It's baffling that in 2021/2022 it takes several, several minutes to load a tune.
You'd think you could save the tune to your phone, or laptop or tuning device, turn off the car, upload the tune and drive off, literally 30 seconds from beginning to end.
if only it was possible
if your ghost cam tune affects driving then it was made wrong!
it should be under idle controling
and not actual ignition map
ecu distinguishes between idling and driving
AC on adds more load hence why it changes. Does this on and Cammed car. Also no Cammed car just chops the same the whole time. Watch my Cammed 3 valve chop and you’ll know. It’s a cycle.
Question besides the cam tune, what’s your full exhaust setup? Sounds like pure bliss
Thank you! Its Borla Headers with the Mbrp Cat-back
@@persianstig do you still have the cats on? I'm reading take them off with this tune because they'll burn up.. but I'd rather not
Hey do your headers have cats on them? And are they the longtubes?
The tune is downloaded. If you read a tune from the ecu you Upload.
Damm that ghost cam sounds good. Does it add any power at all?
No power just makes it sound like it has a lot more power than it has🤣
Hey I just watched a video of a guy that does those tunes he explained that the tune is creating a misfire so it's messing with your timing at idol he explained that it doesn't really hurt the motor you are going to use more fuel. You might go through plugs more but all in all it's not going to hurt your motor. The tune is made to only engage at idle. I think it sounds great and honestly for the money we pay for these cars you think that it would have that sound from the factory. They would sell more cars right, everyone loves that sound. Stage 3 cams and Detroit rockers that's what I'm eventually going to do. Be safe no disrespect.
"the huck and buck"
Oh you mean like an actual big boy cam when you bog it.
What mufflers are you running? Sounds awesome even without the tune.
Thanks.
Thank you! Its Borla Headers with the MBRP black series cat-back
Definite gains just how it needs to be
Another thing people put a ghost tune on a mustang to make them sound better almost a ls chopping sounds
The thing you want is a non consistent sound that's what a real cam is supposed to sound like not the same sound all the time it's supposed to be chop chop chop bloop chop bloop chop bloop is that That's what mine does and I love it The rougher the chop the better it sounds
this is so confusing to me, ive seen all different videos of the lund tune and every single one sounds different
It could be exhaust
I was the 1000th like 🎉
Thank you so much for the like!🙏🏼
I wonder why the hell Ford decides to switch the tack and speed back and forth on different year cars? My '01 and my '13 (both manuals) have the tach on the right side.
How do I do it to my vx
not sure about that one
“When you turn the A/C on it changes it, it’s a funny feature” 😂. No it’s called load and when you turn the A/C on it loads the engine down, also known as lowering the rpm which in turn makes it chop more
yeah I know didn’t really want to explain much on it, I know people want to hear more of the car. just things that I noticed using the tune
Thanks for a great video. 4-16-23
Thanks for watching!
Good vid...as a 2011 Camaro SS owner with fbo and cam the lope of a real cam isn't consistent? But running a ghost cam causes more idiots wanting to try you. Tons of people ask me what my set up is. What do you say when asked?
Nice plate frame and blue line! Has that kept you out of any tickets?
Haha Thank you! and yes it has, such a life saver
Funny how can trans and engine fight each when its manual transmission car. I've had many cars with big cams drive just fine auto or manual trans. My 70 mach1 with solid roller in 351C 4V .670 lift and would scream to 8000 RPM with auto trans. That car make your sound smooth with its idle. Or Cobra II with 347 with 5 speed not as wild as my 70 is but its right up there. My brother looking at ghost tune for his coyote in 01 cobra. Biggest actually real issue is ghost cam tune with cats still in. Since you have long tube headers most likely no cats soooo yes you will smell fuel
Any HP gain? Just wondering
I saw a vid where a guy has it, but he doesn't drive around on it.. He just has it for show..
yeah its harder to drive with it!
Car sounds different when a/c is on cause draws more amps from battery more less draws more power from battery
There is a different trim when the ac is on
Bro you need education !!! Don’t post POV without doing your research .. you literally describe what’s expected
and thats why you shouldn’t get it, in my opinion at-least🏁
First point: not true at all
Second point: good ghost tunes only have the effect in place while in neutral
Third point: that's not a downside to a ghost tune, that's a downside to how loud your car is. Besides, ghost tunes don't make your car louder, wtf
It does lol, when a car idles normally and a car is cammed there is a big difference no matter what exhaust you have🤦🏽♂️
@@persianstig I said a ghost tune doesn't make your car louder...
Number 1 should be because it sounds like it broken just idling
only down side is the rich smell without cats...
yeah its a lot worse with the tune
Idk if you’re new to racing but every car has an inconsistent chop with cams lol
sorry to say, but none of this is a reason to not get the ghost cam tune. actual performance cams do this too. the everyday drivability is gone. to avoid riding the clutch rev higher and catch it to get going. i have a cam swapped ls c4 corvette and a ghost cam tuned mustang, the characteristics are almost similar in terms of what you're describing with why you dont think its ideal to run.
You don’t have to be sorry, what you said is correct lol. Just wanted to explain why its bad compared to a normal tune
Im going to go out on a limb here and guess you hire out labor on your vehicles 😅
because i don’t have tools to do it
Honestly for #2 my E46 just does that xD cause of a clutch delay valve but also same for 3 with the gas I have a muffler delete and removed an engine management fuse to increase fuel rate for them sweet diy pops
no your clutch does not do that because of the delay valve. the whole point of the delay valve is so you cant hard dump the clutch... and just what fuse did you remove?
Love the sticker on the back man!
Thank you man! haha
Please get into a Miata ASAP bro.
lol
You don’t buy the car for gas mileage you buy it to have fun and enjoy
Can you do this on an auto?
Yes but you will need to put it into neutral every time you stop
So what was wrong ? You add exhaust and headers and now it's to load ? And what else you do to the car. Just the exhaust
No cam chops consistently. Even real cams.
With these tunes it is way more than actual cams, mainly wanted to point out the A/C thing🏁
@@persianstig Sounds like the tuner hasnt tuned the ghost cam properly.. other companies only allow ghost cam in neutral only.. so none of the issues you mentioned are an issue. Try a different tuner? or ask the tuner to adjust it?
@@TheDarkhorse82 sounds to me like they have it set correctly, it would do everything that a real cam would do for the car
is it a 5.0 or v6
5.0
To me, mustangs and cam chop doesn’t go together. The coyote especially already sounds amazing at idle with that DOHC.
These tunes sound better on challengers or Camaros.
Everything with this is wrong, the whole talk about Ghost cam is kinda a false narrative. This tune is solely taking the cam phasers out of the equation and not allowing the computer to change came timing to run smooth. The factory cams are aggressive in these cars.
The jerking is actually just bad tuning. It should be at idle not anywhere near 1200. Not even 1000; and please for the love of god stop making it seem like the sound is fake, it’s not fake. Despite the name, the sound is 100% genuine as the cams are aggressive from factory it’s just the VCT is able to give you the best of both worlds. All a ghost cams tune does is lock the position of the cams in a certain position and it changes the timing to give you the chop. It’s not fake it just offers no benefit. You can physically lock out the cams and you will get the same sound, but because the biggest benefit of a coyote or voodoo is the VCT, doing so is stupid for anything outside of serious racing applications.