My Vanderhall a HUGE Mistake
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When you rent out a toy that looks like a race car, people will drive it like a race car & break it. Like anything else, people tear up stuff that doesn't belong to them.
Facts
This is clearly an engineering problem though. Mustangs don't come back with broken suspension parts like that or loose bolts. Neither do corvettes.
@@alexgarcia3900 not so clearly. this is anecdotal at best
Sad but True
You put a lot of positive energy out there I hope you get it right back. Thanks as always for the transparency
What do you think is going to happen when you rent out a vehicle like this on Turo? This video is very misleading for someone considering buying one of these Vanderhalls who wants an honest review of reliability.
This isn’t the only negative review tho.
I looked at these in 2018. I went with a Can Am F3S. Maybe when Vanderhall gets past their growing pains.
Vander-lemon, your experience with that specific vehicle is all the common sense you need. It is the definition of a lemon. File your lemon claim asap!
Thanks for your articulate presentation! I have a '22 Carmel GT in the shop for issues with the GM wiring harness. I was stranded on a snow covered 9k ft mtn for hours. Mine isn't a Vanderhall issue, but a GM issue. Chevy Equinox and Terrain have the same engine and components. The windshields are easily broken. Very expensive windshields $750. But I love it for what it is. It makes people happy and it gets a lot of thumbs up and smiles. Smiles are nice😊
Your presentation of your problem car is very well done! Only you can make the final decision.
You’re renting it out? I thought that would void the warranty. People who rent vehicles will NEVER treat them with respect. Period!
Ya I caught that too. She might have just voided her "lemon buyback" law in her state.
I'm glad you posted this comment. She mentioned 10,000 miles. If its being rented out, those are 10,000 HARD miles. An owner would notice problems as they develop and have it looked at. Someone renting may not even report it. Who knows how long the problems are an issue before they are noticed.
@@RoyRoy-wg2qq they probably ran it through the dinger peeling out and abusing it lol
@@dirkdiggler2379 its front wheel drive . no peeling lol
@@luckybastardshawaii2834 Wow, I guess I struck a nerve. And you can't spell for crap. Another keyboard warrior right there folks!
18 months old; spent 6 months in the shop. It, sadly, qualifies as a Lemon.
The Edison2 is super solid, I would never buy the gas version.
Typically Lemmon laws do not apply to commercial vehicles. If it’s a rents then it makes it a commercial vehicle. I am surprised they are warranting anything. Any other maker would not warranty anything.
Unfortunately it does not I tried with mine
Don’t feel so bad, I’m getting mine back today. It’s been in the shop for almost 2 years. Unfortunately I had some subframe steering rack issues that were welded ones but not able to be welded twice everything got fried. Luckily the Roadster Guys in Fort Lauderdale or around. They know what they’re doing over there and without them this car would be really expensive paperweight
Very informative video. What year is your Vanderhall? I’m in the process of buying a 2022 Vanderhall Carmel Blackjack.
Well, thank you for the video, made me re-think about buying a Vanderhall.
I worked at vanderhall. It was horrible, all had problems straight out the line. And management and owners are very rude.
Send that car back ASAP. Barely 10k miles and that many problems. That’s a true lemon.
When the world gives you a lemon, unload it Saimah. The only future you will have with this car is expensive miles!
That’s crazy Sai....CRAZY!!!!!!
What you think about a used model 3 with a luggage rack on back if they need more storage if traveling. They have a high profit margins from what I can tell, would love your opinion.
Not a car. They categorize it as a 3 wheeled motor cycle so they can get around safety and emissions standards. I would avoid.
Does the 6 months include the wrecked front end? Loose motor mounts, CV issues are very minor.
Wow, So sorry you are having these issues. I have been through a lemon vehicle in the past. I was interested in one but now no! If they can’t get parts right away then I’m not interested!
Hi.. Very informative video.. Thank you for sharing. If I may ask, what year and model is this? as I am thinking - probably much harder now after watching your video 😅 - of buying one 😅
What a shame; as an engineer leaky cv boot and loose engine mounts definitely seem like issues their team should be able to figure out. On the surface it doesn't seem like the fix would be that difficult, but obviously as an owner their recurrence is a definite pain in the ass. I'd love to be able to take a look at it myself to figure it out.
We have a 2017 Vanderhall and haven't experienced any of the problems you mentioned, not one. I've seen some of the recent Vanderhall owners in forums complain of repair problems, but not all. So I suspect that there's a QC problem or possibly they used cheaper parts in later models? I bought mine from one of the engineers at Vanderhall, so it's possible he put all the best parts on there lol.
Mine is 2019 with under 1400 miles and it’s a pile
What model did you have: was thinking of buying one but this is cause for concern.
Good Report. Pretty car. Sounds like it might be a quality control issue and a major design flaw.
Lemon it 100% once you factor in the lost rent etc plus California lemon law being very favorable to the buyer( plus no out of pocket lawyers get their funds from the manufacturer)I say go for it you also have to factor in if you win its possible to retroactively get back all the money you spent on the whole car
Was there anything special you needed to do to list the vehicle on Turo? I just bought one and I’m not seeing vanderhall as an option.
Sorry I just saw this video randomly not familiar with your channel I must say it was very informative and how do you rent out cars oh I’m in Canada so not sure if it’s different in the states
If it qualifies I would def lemon law it regardless. U could always start over with a new warranty with a 2020 if u still want one.
I wanted one but not sure now
Where do you take these things for warranty repair?
how well did it rent on Turo? how do you do everything through a company including insurance and financing
We have a 2020 which we purchased to put on Turo. Turo will not list the 2020. We have 1000 miles on it with no issues With Turo not listing the newer models we have sold it.
Why do they not list the newer models?
Because they’re a headache in every shape form and fashion.
Thats odd I had a 2020 Vanderhall Carmel listed on Turo. Call them. They have to manually list it and list it as a 2017 Venice.
I have a 2020 Vanderhall and Im in a few Vanderhall groups on Facebook. They're all problematic! One thing after another. It's great that things are covered under warranty but they sit at shops for too long waiting on parts. Very common. Dump it before the warranty ends. Awesome car for personal use every now and then but as a rental...I don't think its worth it.
What kinda problems you run into ?
Thanks❤
I would have thought any issues get the warranty clock reset for those specific problems, might be worth discussing that before making any decisions.....definitely don’t let on it’s a hire vehicle.
The leaky CV boots on the passenger side is often due to the heat from the turbo. This is a common characteristic of Subaru WRX’s and anything else that had a side mounted turbo. This is why Subaru switched to a front mounted turbo. Now Subaru don’t have the cv boots busting prematurely. I’m betting that it’s a similar situation and they need to swap the turbo location to the front or switch to a Subaru 2.0 power train.
What year is your model?
Curious… did you pursue the buy back through the lemon law?
Many states lemon laws won't cover 3 wheeled vehicles. Curious what outcome you may have.
My brothers first name is Vander and last name Hall so I looked up VANDERHALL and saw “my vanderhall a huge mistake” and sent it to him ... he hates me aswell lmao
what do you mean by "margins"? are you renting it?
A rental car usually is sold after one year.
In regards to your question about invoking the lemon law, this is what I would do. Have the company replace the vehicle as per the aforementioned law. This will start your warrantee over and you'll have a new vehicle. If you continue to have difficulties, invoke the law a second time. This time get your money back.
My opinion based on general knowledge of different driving styles and characteristics of individuals in part with the durability or lack there of with the vehicle in question; in regards of being an investment I believe that renting it out and keeping an extended warranty will continue to yield profits with the contingency that it isn’t in the repair shop during peak profit season. Maybe they have worked out a few bugs with newer models, maybe not; I think vehicle’s like this are built mainly for fun and not durability and I think if you plan on using it for business that break downs are an inherent risk no matter how new the vehicle is; furthermore people who are renting it out are not concerned with its longevity or durability, they are just trying to have fun. So in closing I would say that if it’s going to just be a personal vehicle that You take out every now and then on nice days it’s going to last longer with less issues opposed to multiple people driving it and experimenting with what it’s capable of and breaking things in the process. If I were in the business of renting these out to the public I would purchase a few new models so I could always have a couple for back up for when the other ones are in the repair shop, that way there’s limited down time; then trade in for newer year when the original factory warranty expires.
If you can unload any car and drop a payment, and gain garage space, do it. You have well documented miles of use and maintenance, you have had returns for same repairs, it is a very weather sensitive vehicle, it is not at all crash worthy, yet still has reasle value, and demand. You could be renting out an actual motorcycle, or step back and enjoy less payments needing paid. The Polaris Is still there and well known for being more reliable. The Lemon Law is tricky, but this is a solid case, besides it neing a grey area, specialty vehicle, and you need to protect your enterprenurship from it.
Good canal
This such a bummer. Once I found out they're fwd I switched from the slingshot to planning on a vanderhall, this post changed that for sure
Don't see why you should decide not to buy a Vanderhall based on one person's experience. Doesn't mean they're all lemons. Another thing to consider: She's renting it out to strangers frequently. That's a SURE way to have a vehicle that ends up with issues. We ALL know that renters thrash cars. It's given.
@@TorgoLives so what youre saying is if you buy one, you cant have fun with it or it will break? if the car isnt built well enough to get driven hard, its not built well enough. period.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 Um, no that's not what I said at all. I'm saying 1 person's experience doesn't equal everyone's experience. If you're planning on buying one, do your research. Find multiple reviews and opinions. Don't make a decision based on one source.
@@TorgoLives you said she's renting it out as an excuse for it breaking....... So yes, you're saying it's not built well enough to be driven hard haha.
Why would anyone buy a fast performance oriented toy you can't drive hard.......
@@maximusjoseppi5904 Once again.... that specific vehicle is 1 example out of thousands. I'm sure there are plenty of other buyers who drive them hard and have no problems. That is the point I'm making. There's a fine line between driving a vehicle 'hard' to have fun and constantly driving it beyond its limits and irresponsibly, which we all know many renters do. I'm not defending the vehicle's overall quality. I'm questioning why anyone would decide it's a bad product based on 1 person's experience.
Seems like teething issues I bought a riker cam am 900 and they were a couple of issues with overheating plastic tank leaking in the hot summer from the cap when you’re going slow I think the radiator fan doesn’t come on soon enough. The wheel nut in the center one big nut and they were cracking. I had to spend a little money $500. to have it towed in and replace. I didn’t want to drive it that far to the dealer this doesn’t fall under the lemon law these are teething problems
If I were a car company like vanderhall, I would have a clause in the warranty that the car cannot be used as a rental.
then you wouldnt have a car company. thats not a clause anyone can put. youre now saying your cars arent built well enough to be driven a lot and to their full potential.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 that's absolutely a clause you can "put". A car manufacturer can also, for example, deny a warranty claim on an vehicle designed for off-roading simply because you took the vehicle off-road, based on a single clause in a warranty. What makes you think that they cannot deny a claim because you rent out your vehicle thus putting excessive miles on it?
@@CarlRencer because it's the dumbest concept you can possibly imagine and there's a reason it's never been done before. Driving a car outside it's scope of intended use, ie driving off road in a car never meant to be driven off road, is completely different than attempting to say your car isn't built well enough to be driven as designed.
Your argument is that the car wasn't built well enough to be driven a lot or to it's fullest potential as designed and sold. That's called being a lemon. If you design a car, it needs to be able to handle the wear and tear within the design parameters you set as a manufacturer with your chosen power plant, transmission, ECU limitations, tires, frame, shocks, etc etc.
A renter that simply hits the gas hard a lot and breaks hard a lot and turns hard a lot is no different than an owner that wants to do the same thing.
Are you also going to put a clause that "only the owner of the car is allowed to drive it and you can't ever drive it hard" haha... Like that's idiotic. It's 100% irrelevant whether a renter or owner drives a car as long as it's not being used outside of it's intended use.
There's no such thing as "excessive" miles inside the manufacturer warranty.... What...
@@maximusjoseppi5904 warranties expire after a certain time OR a certain amount of MILES. Why do you think that is?
@@maximusjoseppi5904 many manufacturers have a clause that will invalidate the warranty if the car is used for commercial use. It's literally in the warranty. You're wrong. That's okay don't take it too hard.
Sorry I was distracted by your ❤️face. What did you say about the car?
All I heard was don’t buy one.
hm.. starting my research on a trike for next year. Mental note: scratch Vanderhall...
I’m surprised that Vanderhall would cover a rental car. Seriously rentals are abused so bad.
It is a small production vehicle. Anything that looks this good will be high maintenance and a pain in the rear. But totally worth it. Talking about the Vanderhall. I am driving Jaguars and they can be a similar pain in the rear and wallet. But I drive them anyways.
Foreign reader here: Why are defective cars called "Lemons" instead of grapes, coconuts or whatever else? They don't teach this on english lessons.
When you bite into the delicious looking fruit, it is very sour. There is a saying in American English, “When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.” When life gives you something bad, turn it into something good. A lemon looks good on the outside; however, it does not taste sweet like grapes when eaten.
So did you apply the lemon law ???
I heard they had 35 staff members in 2017, per jay lenos garage video.
This warranty provides no coverage for personal loss or expense, including mileage, transportation costs, hotels, meals, shipping or
handling fees, vehicle pick-up or delivery, replacement rentals, loss of vehicle use, loss of profits or loss of vacation or personal time.
This Vanderhall limited warranty excludes any vehicle that has been used for commercial purposes. This includes but is not limited to
uses such as rental, taxi, Uber or Lyft; indeed, any commercial use effectively voids all coverage of this limited Warranty.
I think you should do the buy back for a newer model and pay the difference. Just a suggestion, buy the way beautiful car.
This is why I went with a Slingshot
I don’t want one now! Sounds like a POS
It’s like when I rent a sports car from enterprise ect.I drive it hard because I don’t own.I think it would be best for you to cut your losses and file your lemon law claim especially if you’re using it as a rental
It’s a lemon. Pursue the Buy-Back!
Talk to Vanderhall directly. See if they will make things right, then if all is good great if not sue them.
Wow, thats nowhere close to a lemon. Nowhere close at all.
i have my own vanderhall and works very amanzing. I'm so sad for you!
Welp, vanderhall just lost another sale....
For 30k you could have gotten a Mazda MX-5, a true roadster, and you'll have so much more reliability..
Glad I didn’t get one. To many problems. I really feel bad for you
Good luck getting a lemon law suit with a car you "rent out"...I would think you void the warranty the minute you do that.
I am a member of the vanderhall group and they are notorious for having issues early on. I was previous owner and sold it. I became too concerned. The price is outrageous to have issues that quick. Brand new should be good for 2+years at minimum. Ive had new sport bikes that run great for years at a fraction of the price. They are fun to drive, and nice to ride in but ultimately I have lost faith in a company that has that many problems that quickly. Once I sold I purchased an old hot rod convertible which is just as fun and less of a headache. Just my option though.
What kinda problems you ran into
Good to know. Thank you for posting comment
Imagine thinking a niche car from a small brand would be a good choice to list as a rental.
Damn I wanted one I guess not anymore
You’re lucky it’s even covered under warranty which states “does not cover rentals”
Women moment rents out sports car and thinks people will drive it like a Camry
No disrespect but u make that Vanderhall look even better
Get rid of it Saimah!
What is a Vanderhall
It`s a motorcycle, not a car. Different laws apply.
The key words for me is (for rent) you can not expect that people you rent to will treat it like you do .
Ok, got it; Vanderhalls aren't worth owning. Thanks!
It's not a car honey it's a motorbike big difference
This woman is outrageously beautiful.
Cute, yes. Outrageously beautiful, no
Average at best
Did you notice the Vanderhall in the video?
Well that's a little extreme
Geez, even Harley gives a two year warranty
Vanderhall’s do have a 2 year warranty included but Saimah’s has said she bought it used 1.5 years ago which would be around December 2018 or January 2019 she has a used 2018 model so I think what she means by 1 year warranty is because about a year has already past on the 2 year warranty so she is left with the remaining 1 year.
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Sounds like they have poor skilled mechanics and logistics. Loose bolts is a sign that the mechanics didn’t torque to spec or didn’t use some type of lock nut, lock washer, torque to yield bolts, etc... if you have a good mechanic you take your vehicles to, have him or her look it over before selling it. As a mechanic myself, I have seen vehicles that have had the wrong person working on it. I fix their mistakes and the vehicles were without issue afterward. TLC goes a long way in the mechanical world.
Dump it and get something else.
Or maybe it's a poor designed engine mount & too much load is being put on the bolts
Send it back under lemon law. If you still want one try another one.
Saimah, it's registered as a motorcycle
Polaris bought my slingshot back... Lemon 100%.. Dump.that nightmare
6 months wow
You purchased a semi-exotic vehicle from a startup company. There have been minor issues with it and you are surprised? All manufactures have growing pains that typically get resolved over time. Ferraris have more serious issues, etc and is the norm. Sounds like you are looking for a way out of a bad decision on your part. Sounds to me like you are self absorbed and shallow. You asked.
😂😂😂 damn
For a car thats been out over 5 years, unacceptable no doubt. but breaking out the thread-locker and torquing an engine mount takes maybe 30 min if its really hard to get to. the cv boot sounds minor, too. add to the fact that you rent it out, im surprised your warranty is covered at all TBH and no hate whatsoever. I can only imagine the people renting just see it as a toy to thrash. The engine mount could've come loose after many hard launches, too. just my honest opinion, and of course I may be way off base here!
People expect no maintenance. As a motorcycle collector I can tell you it's an ongoing battle if you like to keep them pristine
OK somehow I doubt it was in the shop for 6mos though if it was I have no idea why you would not have asked to have them replace it with one that wasn't a lemon . Also if you are being pushed around at the dealer that much that they're basically just keeping you car and fixing it when they get around to it . It's no wonder your dissatisfied . powersports dealers need to have a fire lit under in some cases or they think they can just do what they want . Start calling Vanderhall corporate this is a new company trying to make a good reputation that's being damaged not by them but by a lazy dealer , it sounds like most of your issues are simple fixes that the dealer should have quickly resolved but figured you were enough of a sucker they didn't need to .
Dat hair doe
She looks and sound like she's into white guys
I just don’t get this. I purchased my 2018 at
the Provo dealer new and immediately put 6000 miles on it in 3 weeks before shipping to Kauai. That’s 6000 trouble free miles.
bro im on oahu,just wondering how the car is holding up? Im thinking about getting one but wondering how hard it would be to get parts and maintain in hawaii?
@@freightrain808 Still holding up well. No issues to date. Venice is all GM powertrain so any ASE repair shop can work on them. I do my own work on it so no repair shop will ever touch mine. Personal preference since I was a Nissan tech for 15 years.
There's one for sell in kehei,a 2018 venice, I'm thinking about picking it up. There no vanderhall on oahu from what I know.
@@freightrain808 What are they asking for it?
They're asking 25000,but it would need to be shipped to oahu so I figure there's room to negotiate.
But it’s a rental.. Every driver that gets behind the wheel of this thing is a rookie learning how to drive it. I’m not surprised your having issues at all and your opinion to bail on it via lemon law is more of a longer term business decision than anything else.
These are your maintenance issues when you rent the car out commercially. I am surprised they will honor the warranty.
Most car companies take a couple years of testing before releasing a car with hundreds of employees working on it, Vanderhall will force the model within 6 months of the Idea popping up on a engineering software. having it manufactured and using the manufacturing to figure out all of its problems and letting them go out of the shop to hit a certain quota before actually releasing a Good Quality Luxury Vehicle. Great Concepts but they are far from a Great Product.
Treating your vehicle as a source of income / renting it out may void your opportunities as a 🍋. Almost everyone who rents a car will drive it like they stole it per se. Want a car to last - don’t let others drive it.
YOUR CUSTOMERS HAVE BEEN TRASHING YOUR CAR
Don’t keep it , try the new electric one