Yes, it’s easy to forget how bad McLaren were not that long ago (it’s possibly why they can still be somewhat amateurish with tactics to this day). Williams are a team with pedigree, they have investment and could easily move up like McLaren have
Obviously F1 is a different kettle of fish and Sauber are a total mess, but Audi have been very successful whenever they have gotten involved in motersport. With the weight of VW behind them, it seems a strange decision to me... if it was a decision. Also Williams has been going backwards again since James took over. Don't understand the hype.
@@donaldfarquar You're looking strictly at the results. The work happening in the background is massive, with new hires, investment in necessary areas, and the team is literally trying to rip itself away from its old habits and infrastructure. It's not reflected on track yet, and it won't reflect on track for a while, but it will happen. Think McLaren post-2017, but a bit slower.
They did confirm Logan will stay for the rest of the season which makes me happy. Let him improve as much as he can in the time he has left. He probably won't have a seat next year but I'm still happy to see him try to finish his time in F1 in a high note.
@@Anishnaabe425 he's definitely a lot better than he was earlier this season though. getting into Q2, no DNFs recently, beating Albon in sprint qualifying. Even James Vowles has been praising him.
Most likable duo in F1? Both of them are just such nice, down to earth guys. Kind of people that would admit if they exceeded track limits. Wish them the best. Hopefully Williams turns things around.
@@cactus4964 that is very true unfortunately, I saw Carlos at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Newey is going to Williams. Been calling it. Having 1 decent driver and 1 horrible driver has been holding Williams back. Having 2 good drivers will boost their development so much. Especially with even more sponsor money now. Really rooting for Williams.
Can we remind Tommy that in 2015 Mclaren finished 9th in the championship and managed to retain Alonso and Button, which in fairness smashes this line up out the park
Alpine fires another team principle in the middle of the season and plans to announce it is droping its own works status. Carlos has already worked with them and knows what all that truly entails regarding leadership and team management. Sauber/Audi feels compelled to fire its two technical heads and bring in Binotto, pointing to Audi maybe missing development targets. Carlos has worked with Binotto at Ferrari, his dad knows Audi, and fully understands what that would entail for team direction and leadership. He chose Williams within days. Tells me everything I need to know about Alpine and Audi for the next few years.
All rumors point to Mercedes 2026 engine being an absolute monster, so i think he is looking at that. They just need to sort out their processes and get a little more money for their R&D, but they have 2 very, very good drivers to develop the car and James know how to rebuild a team. Loving what James is doing. Because it looks like he is genuinely playing a very good long game.
I love Vowles mindset but the fact that Williams has not improved from last year and with the same rules is worrisome. Also not to bring a third chassis was a horrible tactical mistake while the upgrades were not worthy. This comes from a Williams fan. I would so love to see that team rise.
Engine rumors just rumors, we won't know it's true or not until 2026. But there are a lot of other factors too, like Russell already was a Williams driver before Mercedes, so he has more chance to get a promotion to a better team from Williams. And probably the last thing what he wanted to hear is that: Carlos, it's Binotto, welcome to Audi.. 😂
@@aubanurmi You can't expect from a team that is rebuilding it's infrastructure to make gains on track from one year to the other. First you focus your efforts on recruiting personnel and investing in facilities and R&D, but those things will produce results in the long term. You obviously can't have both of these things happening at the same time, especially for a team with low budget
James Vowles has done incredible work securing this lineup with the issues Williams have. Audi and Alpine not being able to lure Sainz is a damning indictment
Having two competent drivers is a big win for Williams. Hopefully, they will be able to start next year focusing solely forward, not looking backwards, worrying about having enough spares...
This is a well thought out decision I think for Carlos because he picked the team where the people I think are solid and supportive. Alex Albon now has someone in Carlos that has experience and will be a very positive pairing! Plus Williams will have Mercedes technical support.. Will Adrian Newey also go to Williams .. The plot thickens... very interesting.
@@nrbmemes2414 I think you need to learn more history. Sure.. she could of done better, but the deck was stacked against her before she took over. What was it JV said.. the team/setup is 20yrs behind an needs modernising. 20yrs.. thats Pre-Claire coming in and fully taking over & Pre Doriliton with funding.
I think you're all under estimating Williams and James. James is rebuilding this team from top to bottom and he has the skills and support to do it. If Carlos was in this same car, I'd bet anyone Williams would have many more points. Yes many. Why? Because Carlos is verbal. And communicates very well. With strategies, development, he knows what he's doing. Not to mention, sponsorship. Think of how many more points LAST year Williams should have had. Even just getting rid of Logan is a plus, let's be honest. I honestly, truely think we're going to see great things from Williams in the next few years. You have to hand it to James for signing this driver line up. It's bloody brilliant!
Idk why people are surprised that he goes for Williams, Toto has trauma from Max and wants Kimi, Red Bull have other drivers, Alpine and Sauber going thru management issues. Williams is at least a bit stable.
As a Williams fan and believer in Vowles, this is great news and I honestly think Carlos wont be wasted there. I get why people think its a downgrade for him, but people, might be surprised.
At the present, it's definitely a downgrade, unless you believe Albon is trash as a driver. Sainz at Ferrari is just leagues ahead of Albon at Williams. Whether it'll remain a huge downgrade in 2026 is less certain though.
I love James, but Williams technical leaders are questionmark. This years car has been overall bad even with the upgrades. It's the slowest car with a great spirit still in the team. They don't ruin their pitstops as much as Kick Sauber but my god are they slow anywhere else except the straights. Aero team needs change.
@@aubanurmi you know about all his new hires currently running down gardening leave, right? You know he's prioritising infrastructure over car development, right?
Don't forget Williams a couple years ago with Bottas and massa! They were near last in 2013 with Bottas only scoring 4 point and then they got Bottas and massa two incredible drivers for 2014 where they were carried by the Mercedes engine
@@RockSolitude bro, read the opening comment. ‘They couldn’t afford a chassis but they could afford sainz’ was the point - so it IS about the budget cap. 🤦🏼♀️
Santander, estrella galicia. All the Spanish sponsors with him will probably jump ship. Especially since they will not get any space alongside Hamilton's sponsors
Things went crazy now. Carlos to williams might be because carlos knows Newey is going there. Besides, isn't there the rumors about the mercedez engine? He probably thought about all of that. Then, we now have the sauber and alpine seats available. One of those two seats are going to Perez and his 70 million sponsorship, that is a foregone conclusion. That leaves only one more seat available for 2025. If sauber, we have I believe drugovich (with very small chances) bottas himself, and obviously perez. For alpine, we have perez and his 70 million again, doohan (my vote), and mick schumacher. (DOn't think schumacher will come back, though.
Red Bull will "keep" Perez by demoting him to Racing Bulls. I bet it's in his performance-related contract. Red Bull has done so before and can shuffle their drivers around. Think about it, whether or not Racing Bulls perform is of minor importance to the main team so they can afford to have Perez driving there much like they can have Ricciardo there now and Yuki to "make Honda happy" (they have historically always pushed for a Japanese driver). Red Bull might start 2025 with Perez in the first 2-3 races and then have a "change of mind" and have Perez switch with Liam Lawson or Isack Hadjar (Red Bull Academy driver and most likely F2 champion in 2024) or whoever is signed for Racing Bulls for 2025. Back in 2016 Red Bull started their season with RIcciardo/Kvyat. They had Kvyat switch seats with Verstappen after 4 races. In 2019 it was the same story with Gasly being switched with Albon midway through the season. "One of those two seats are going to Perez and his 70 million sponsorship, that is a foregone conclusion." No, Red Bull will keep those millions. Another reason Perez has stayed at Red Bull for so long is that *his name sells a LOT of Red Bull energy drinks in Mexico* . At Racing Bulls Perez can still help the Red Bull drinks company rake in billions from sales in Mexico. Alpine doesn't need to market their cars in Mexico and Sauber is gearing up to become Audi so they neither need the money nor Perez's "input". Red Bull "keeps" Perez for he brings in the company a lot of money in Mexico and that is way more useful to them than the sponsorship deal he comes with. Once Red Bull drops Perez completely I doubt he can find a drive anymore for his stock as a driver has been steadily declining. In my mind he was never more than an average driver. I said so during his Force India days already. He finally lucked into a win (George Russell would have won easily if not for the infamous Mercedes pit tire blunder) after a record-long 190 starts in F1 (placing him dead last on the list of how many races needed before finally winning your first out of all drivers who have won a race in the 75 seasons of F1). He is also an awful qualifier. The stats make that clear as day. And since most F1 races are won from the first row with a handful from the second row it's hardly surprising it took so long for him to finally win. WHY would Sauber want an Aston Martin test driver in their line-up? I saw Drugovich in F2 and he never struck me as a Piastri/Russell/Leclerc kind of driver. He won his F2 title mostly through consistency and a watered-down competition in the likes of Pourchaire, Logan Sargeant and Ayumu Iwasa. If Mick Schumacher wasn't named Schumacher *nobody* would be talking about him. Kudos for him to making it to F1. The sons of Alain Prost. Nigel Mansell, James Hunt, Jody Scheckter, Niki Lauda and Jackie Stewart never made it to F1 at all. Jack Brabham's sons, Nelson Piquet's son and Mario Andretti's son did but they never made much of an impression. Only Graham Hill's and Keke Rosberg's sons were champions themselves. Doohan is worth a shot. The jury is still out on him.
Honda were 9th in 2008. Admittedly, the drivers were already signed, and the team went through a major change, but I’d say the pairing of Ruben’s and Jenson was pretty damn good for a 9th placed team.
I just wanted to say that you both are absolutely amazing at what you do. Your insights and enthusiasm for Formula 1 are infectious, and I always look forward to your videos. Keep up the fantastic work!
As an American, I just want to watch the absolute best drivers in the world. I do not care if I don't have a countryman in F1. However my f1 manager team of Sargent and Crawford are coming for the crown.
Bottas and Massa was a pretty solid line-up in 2014. At Red Bull Ring, Austria the two of them even qualified on the front-row outqualifying the mighty Mercedes driven by Hamilton and Nico Rosberg. They also led the race for the first 15 laps. Here's what. Massa won 11 races and missed the 2008 title by a whisker. Bottas went on to win 10 races (placing him in an elite list of only 35 drivers to have won 10 or more races) and 20 poles (he almost put a Williams on pole) which is quite respectable. I'd rank them higher than Heidfeld (never won) and Webber (could beat Vettel on a good day). Sainz is an underrated driver who most seem to forget beat Norris at McLaren and Leclerc at Ferrari. He also beat Verstappen in a few races at Toro Rosso in 2015. Albon has the spirit and it's a shame he has been unable to show his potential by driving mostly hopeless Williams cars.
@@Shuubox It can all be explained this way. 1. Red Bull knows they're lost without Max so they want to prevent him from going to another team. 2. Carlos Sainz would be a lot tougher team mate than Checo. Sainz after all beat Norris at McLaren and Leclerc at Ferrari. 3. Max may not have said so himself but the team has assessed him and therefore know they can't afford to make him say:"That's it I'm leaving and signing for Mercedes." so signing Carlos might bring the entire house down. Michael Schumacher actually enjoyed this privilege too at Ferrari in who he wanted as his team mate. Ferrari actually approached Mika Hakkinen for a drive in 2000 but Schumacher implied:"If he comes to Ferrari I will leave." So they signed Barrichello instead - a driver who hadn't even won a single race yet when he came to Ferrari in 2000. Likewise I have a hunch Max implied:"You sign Sainz and I will leave." What Red Bull have however done is paint themselves into a corner. "He would've been PERFECT for Red Bull..." Perfect for Red Bull indeed but not perfect for Max...
The difference is, they wanted to go to those teams based on what they were pitched and probably had endless options. This seems like Sainz went for the best of what he could get.
@@hakshustletv Neither Schumacher nor Hamilton actually had something to lose either. They already were champions with Benetton and McLaren respectively and thus didn't need to prove themselves. Like Niki Lauda famously said:"The first title is always the hardest for once that is won you'll always have the title in the history books no matter what happens later. The 2nd and 3rd titles are mere bonuses to a proven champion." Sainz is a proven race winner and I have no doubt he has it in him to win several more races. But does he want to become champion one day? If so he took a gamble. Maybe a shrewd one, we shall see.
@@paulallen8109 I think the difference is in the stages of their career. Yeah Lewis already won but he was only getting started and hungry for more titles, the expectations were very high, Mike was in a similar predicament. Sainz seems to be in the 3rd quarter of his career at the very least and looks like we've just about seen the full potential of Sainz, I don't think anyone expects to see anything wildly different beyond what we've seen already we've kind of gotten a good idea about the caliber of driver that he is, ask Sainz, he will probably tell you he still wants that championship, is it realistic? Idk. Imo, you'd have to get him a car that's head and shoulders above the rest for that to be on the table. If it's closely matched with the best, it isn't happening, there are better drivers that will be quicker and more consistent over the course of a season.
The biggest question now is if Albon bins the car into the barriers next season, does Albon get Carlos' car now or do they have to track down Logan in Florida and commandeer his personal Corvette or something?
@@Rb26z still a safer bet long-term than Williams, especially given they’ll have the investment to hit the budget cap. Plus, he’d have no doubt become the main man in the Audi F1 project, but has instead settled for the same no-first-driver dynamic he has at Ferrari in a team that has no real prospect of finishing above the midfield within the next decade.
Sauber can’t even score points let alone perform a decent pitstop. Who wants to go there? Seems like it would take a few years for Audi just to become a midfield team.
@@OK-fi4yq See how much Aston has spent over the past few years, and look where they’re at. I mean even Racing Point was competent; how is Audi gonna fix the team when it’s fundamentally dogshit?
*Conspiracy Theory:* What if secretly Audi are telling Sauber in the contract that they have to be shit for this 2 years so that they get maximum windtunnel time and with that build a really good car. It would not even damage the name of audi because the are Stake-Sauber now. And then Audi can swipe in with a good car and claim all the good reputation for turning it around. Not saying it is that way. Just a big what if.
Honestly hauling the William dust bin 2-4 grid slots up the grid each week would make Carlos look like a Hero and maybe raise his stock for a front row seat in ‘27 after the new reg dust has settled. Everyone loves a driver over performing in a midfield car.
Williams still has a money problem, just a different one. Because of the cost cap, they can't spend money modernizing their machinery, infrastructure, and systems at the pace they would like. That puts them at a disadvantage compared to teams that already did that big spending modernizing their operations before the cost cap.
Whats the chance that James whispered in Carlos ears that Adrian Newey is finally joining Williams. And this is the news that Carlos was waiting for 🤷♂
Yes they dropped the ball big. Similarly when Mercedes had to replace Bottas, but did not take the risk for years. Could have tried with Ocon or Russell.
This was the best case scenario for Carlos he isn’t going to Merc or Red Bull. He has a clause in his contract just in case they offer him a seat. Also people claiming this is bad for him because they aren’t a works team guess what Red Bull was a customer team for the longest time and everyone wanted to be on Red Bulls roster. Williams has pedigree even if you have no clue about that because your just DTS fan.
He knew he was out. I watch a AI that streams all the radio messages and Sargent said at one point something about ‘that overtake was too much for me’ while attempting to overtake one of his fellow snails. He did not succeed. I find myself wondering if he’s ever actually done a real, like, fighting overtake in his whole time in F1? Does anyone know?
Regardless of Williams' placing...I'm now an honest fan of the team. I won't expect wins or performance, but I'll always take pleasure seeing them succeed.
Bottas will stay at Sauber on a 2 year deal, Magnussen will get the Alpine seat over Mick & Doohan, and Antonelli will get the Mercedes seat. As for Red Bull, Ricciardo goes to the main team and Lawson to VCarb
Honestly a smart move from carlos, williams will only improve on this year’s car for 2025 and should be better or equally as competitive as alpine without all the drama…and in 2026 they’ll have the mercedes engine and I’m sure they’ll be a clause for 2026 incase max decides to move to merc for that year so he can be able to replace him at redbull, or move to audi in 2027 if they’re project is picking up steam and williams are stagnant.
I think the odds of Carlos going to Red Bull are pretty high, even if Max doesn't leave. I'm pretty sure Checo will be replaced by Daniel Ricciardo this summer, and Daniel will probably retire at the end of the year. After that, Carlos can join Red Bull.
No. Antonelli himself said he isn't ready for F1 yet, so it's still probable that Merc also don't think he's ready and go with Checo maybe, or Mick comes back
Merc probably won't make the decision till later in the year, if they/Kimi think it's time for F1, he'll be in for 2025, if they don't think he's ready yet, Mick might do 2025 with Kimi coming in for 2026.
I was happy to hear this cause Williams needs a good line up like this! And James will pull that team out of the bottom pack and into a solid midfielder long term. They are properly investing with the right people.
This makes me SO EXCITED. Albon and Sainz are two really solid drivers, I highly doubt James would have been able to convince Carlos to join without some promising plans for the future
Williams racing❌
No Appendix GP✅
Apex GP and Appendix GP 💪
-Appendix- GP
bruh LOL
appendix-free GP!
It sounds really kinky when you call them " no appendix racing"
Yup...my mind went wandering
"Carlos, this is James, let me show my powerpoint presentation."
Your Excel, you mean.
Carlos, I've sent you an email with a diagram where our car should be in 2026.
Still better like to hear that: Carlos, it's Binotto, welcome to Audi.. 😂
@@johart309that would be from Toto
Tommy’s little additions to the intros are my favorite thing
upside down glasses got me the other day haha
@@MarshallMimsthe intro they did for the belgium when he was in bed killed me as well 😂
They are absolutely silly and that’s what’s great about it. ❤
That Ferrari crash one during Hungary was top tier
Let's pretend that he isn't the only good part of this podcast
Emergency podcasts are the best podcasts.
Definitely first thought was Matt and Tommy’s reaction 😊
I'm expecting Tommy to appear behind me next time I'm watching a P1 intro
Next time I'm going to check behind me
@@leonardogamboa1901that’s the same joke as OP but worse 👍
2:51 You make a good point but let me remind you of Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button driving for 9th placed McLaren in 2015
Yeah and this is the actual best line up ever for 9th best team in F1 history!
Shame the duo of Fernando Alonso and Jenson Button can't push into the top step at the time.
Yes, it’s easy to forget how bad McLaren were not that long ago (it’s possibly why they can still be somewhat amateurish with tactics to this day). Williams are a team with pedigree, they have investment and could easily move up like McLaren have
Obviously F1 is a different kettle of fish and Sauber are a total mess, but Audi have been very successful whenever they have gotten involved in motersport.
With the weight of VW behind them, it seems a strange decision to me... if it was a decision.
Also Williams has been going backwards again since James took over. Don't understand the hype.
@@donaldfarquar You're looking strictly at the results. The work happening in the background is massive, with new hires, investment in necessary areas, and the team is literally trying to rip itself away from its old habits and infrastructure. It's not reflected on track yet, and it won't reflect on track for a while, but it will happen. Think McLaren post-2017, but a bit slower.
First appendix-less team in Formula 1 history
OMG I just realised 😂😂😂
underrated comment
LOL
Russell yeeted his mid-race
As a person also appendix-less this is my new favorite team 😂
They did confirm Logan will stay for the rest of the season which makes me happy. Let him improve as much as he can in the time he has left. He probably won't have a seat next year but I'm still happy to see him try to finish his time in F1 in a high note.
Has a career in Indycar ahead of him.
Improve? Hasnt the guy been around for a while now, hes not improving at all. It's Formula 1, pinnacle of motorsport - You gotta perform.
he has though, he would have a decent amount of points if he was in Astron and didnt use old parts
@@golleseit's his second year but he can never make it into the points last year he got his 1st point do to two DSQ 😂
@@Anishnaabe425 he's definitely a lot better than he was earlier this season though. getting into Q2, no DNFs recently, beating Albon in sprint qualifying. Even James Vowles has been praising him.
Tommy really came out of left field with that intro
Heh
His right
@@FormulaProg my left
@@Lungolords he left, but then the came back in again
Most likable duo in F1? Both of them are just such nice, down to earth guys. Kind of people that would admit if they exceeded track limits. Wish them the best. Hopefully Williams turns things around.
As a female fan, also possibly the best looking driver duo. Lol
Who… Matt and Tommy?! Nah… 😂😂
Sainz ain’t the down to earth person u think he is mate 😂😂😂
@@cactus4964 that is very true unfortunately, I saw Carlos at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Sainz is a snake
Summer break is off to a great start already! Not even a whole day and the musical chair game has begun lol
Now all the other dominoes will start to fall! Netflix are gunna LOVE it!
Newey is going to Williams. Been calling it. Having 1 decent driver and 1 horrible driver has been holding Williams back. Having 2 good drivers will boost their development so much. Especially with even more sponsor money now. Really rooting for Williams.
I have been thinking the same thing also .jeszzer said that he knows we're he is looking for his new home.
Don't get my hopes up.
I’m with you on this one. I really think James has pulled off a coup and now has a dream team!!
Nah Carlos picked Williams cause Redbull committed to Checo. Nothing to do with Newey.
I'm a friend of Adrian Newey and he is not going to Williams. Adrian will announce his plans in January 2025.
One of the strongest driver pairings on the grid in my opinion, just need to secure Newey to build them a good car now…
Can you imagine?! 👀 That would be Williams resurgence confirmed.
An announcement of Newey to Williams would be fantastic!
I am hoping that’s the carrot James used 🤞🏼.
Definitely the second strongest line up on the grid 💯
Can we remind Tommy that in 2015 Mclaren finished 9th in the championship and managed to retain Alonso and Button, which in fairness smashes this line up out the park
Matt and Tommy looking like they are about to hit Centre Court at Wimbledon
This driver line up could be in any top team without being and feeling weird or undeserved so Williams are the biggest winners here
Alpine fires another team principle in the middle of the season and plans to announce it is droping its own works status. Carlos has already worked with them and knows what all that truly entails regarding leadership and team management.
Sauber/Audi feels compelled to fire its two technical heads and bring in Binotto, pointing to Audi maybe missing development targets. Carlos has worked with Binotto at Ferrari, his dad knows Audi, and fully understands what that would entail for team direction and leadership.
He chose Williams within days.
Tells me everything I need to know about Alpine and Audi for the next few years.
All rumors point to Mercedes 2026 engine being an absolute monster, so i think he is looking at that.
They just need to sort out their processes and get a little more money for their R&D, but they have 2 very, very good drivers to develop the car and James know how to rebuild a team.
Loving what James is doing. Because it looks like he is genuinely playing a very good long game.
I love Vowles mindset but the fact that Williams has not improved from last year and with the same rules is worrisome. Also not to bring a third chassis was a horrible tactical mistake while the upgrades were not worthy. This comes from a Williams fan. I would so love to see that team rise.
Engine rumors just rumors, we won't know it's true or not until 2026.
But there are a lot of other factors too, like Russell already was a Williams driver before Mercedes, so he has more chance to get a promotion to a better team from Williams. And probably the last thing what he wanted to hear is that: Carlos, it's Binotto, welcome to Audi.. 😂
@@aubanurmi You can't expect from a team that is rebuilding it's infrastructure to make gains on track from one year to the other. First you focus your efforts on recruiting personnel and investing in facilities and R&D, but those things will produce results in the long term. You obviously can't have both of these things happening at the same time, especially for a team with low budget
I will be fine with that as long as Willians can consistently score points, I just want the Smooth Operator to keep his magic going.
James Vowles has done incredible work securing this lineup with the issues Williams have.
Audi and Alpine not being able to lure Sainz is a damning indictment
Gasly's last 3 races was the perfect story to convinced Sainz to no go to Alpine : DNS, DNF and finally an engine problem costing Gasly 0,7s per lap
Having two competent drivers is a big win for Williams. Hopefully, they will be able to start next year focusing solely forward, not looking backwards, worrying about having enough spares...
I wanted Bottas to get that seat, but I am happy for Carlos. I think it’s probably the best decision.
Imagine if Bottas go back to Merc
@@keithframe3489 it be a duel of fates and a sakhir gp 2020 rematch!
James Vowes speaks with more confidence than anyone I've ever met
he is politician. elite and fake. so he sold you. got it.
From Logan to Carlos. What an upgrade.
This is a well thought out decision I think for Carlos because he picked the team where the people I think are solid and supportive. Alex Albon now has someone in Carlos that has experience and will be a very positive pairing! Plus Williams will have Mercedes technical support.. Will Adrian Newey also go to Williams .. The plot thickens... very interesting.
James Vowles can sell ice to an Eskimo/Penguins 😂
James Vowles was the best thing to ever happen to Williams.
@@phoebesmith8154agree 💯
@@phoebesmith8154it was Dorilton Capital. They bought the team from Claire Williams who was an incompetent owner.
@@nrbmemes2414 I think you need to learn more history. Sure.. she could of done better, but the deck was stacked against her before she took over.
What was it JV said.. the team/setup is 20yrs behind an needs modernising.
20yrs.. thats Pre-Claire coming in and fully taking over & Pre Doriliton with funding.
well, the ice would stop the penguins from melting and the chocolate from going everywhere
(Penguins are a type of chocolate biscuit bar)
I think you're all under estimating Williams and James. James is rebuilding this team from top to bottom and he has the skills and support to do it. If Carlos was in this same car, I'd bet anyone Williams would have many more points. Yes many. Why? Because Carlos is verbal. And communicates very well. With strategies, development, he knows what he's doing. Not to mention, sponsorship. Think of how many more points LAST year Williams should have had. Even just getting rid of Logan is a plus, let's be honest. I honestly, truely think we're going to see great things from Williams in the next few years. You have to hand it to James for signing this driver line up. It's bloody brilliant!
Been a Williams fan for some years now, was hoping so much that this would be possible. Best news for a Monday!
Idk why people are surprised that he goes for Williams, Toto has trauma from Max and wants Kimi, Red Bull have other drivers, Alpine and Sauber going thru management issues. Williams is at least a bit stable.
Toto wants max 🤣
Williams is the least worst option, that also has potential.
Lol
@@phoebesmith8154lol
@@phoebesmith8154lol
As a Williams fan and believer in Vowles, this is great news and I honestly think Carlos wont be wasted there. I get why people think its a downgrade for him, but people, might be surprised.
At the present, it's definitely a downgrade, unless you believe Albon is trash as a driver. Sainz at Ferrari is just leagues ahead of Albon at Williams.
Whether it'll remain a huge downgrade in 2026 is less certain though.
It is such a waste for Carlos and I honestly don't see Williams becoming that good in general going forward no matter the regulations are.
I love James, but Williams technical leaders are questionmark. This years car has been overall bad even with the upgrades. It's the slowest car with a great spirit still in the team. They don't ruin their pitstops as much as Kick Sauber but my god are they slow anywhere else except the straights. Aero team needs change.
@@aubanurmi you know about all his new hires currently running down gardening leave, right?
You know he's prioritising infrastructure over car development, right?
@@ltreanor99 come back to me in 3 years.
All emergency P1 broadcast will be compared to the WTF1 Piastri tweet broadcast of 2022 😂
Alonso To Sainz: And you did it at my Birthday dinner😂
Don't forget Williams a couple years ago with Bottas and massa!
They were near last in 2013 with Bottas only scoring 4 point and then they got Bottas and massa two incredible drivers for 2014 where they were carried by the Mercedes engine
Yes Felipe was still awesome. Gave me 2008 championship vibes back then.
Williams sure found some serious funds somewhere considering a few months ago they couldn't even afford a spare chassis.
Drivers aren’t in the budget cap….
And it wasn't a money thing... they just pushed car development as late as possible which meant they were a little late making the spare chassis
@@phoebesmith8154 we aren't talking about the budget cap mate
@Appetite4Rose Williams' ERP software (MS Excel) was a disaster, and switching to a new system lead to all sorts of scheduling problems.
@@RockSolitude bro, read the opening comment. ‘They couldn’t afford a chassis but they could afford sainz’ was the point - so it IS about the budget cap. 🤦🏼♀️
Sainz/Albon is a super strong driver lineup.
Makes sense with a clause to leave in 2026 to a better team. Happy to see Alex and Carlos together.
Tommy should appear in Matt’s room, and Matt in Tommy’s room next intro 😂
Tommy popping into the intro like an orange cat. 😂 Seriously though, I have a feeling Carlos Sainz will attract a major sponsor to Williams.
Santander, estrella galicia. All the Spanish sponsors with him will probably jump ship. Especially since they will not get any space alongside Hamilton's sponsors
Things went crazy now. Carlos to williams might be because carlos knows Newey is going there. Besides, isn't there the rumors about the mercedez engine? He probably thought about all of that. Then, we now have the sauber and alpine seats available. One of those two seats are going to Perez and his 70 million sponsorship, that is a foregone conclusion. That leaves only one more seat available for 2025. If sauber, we have I believe drugovich (with very small chances) bottas himself, and obviously perez. For alpine, we have perez and his 70 million again, doohan (my vote), and mick schumacher. (DOn't think schumacher will come back, though.
Red Bull will "keep" Perez by demoting him to Racing Bulls. I bet it's in his performance-related contract. Red Bull has done so before and can shuffle their drivers around. Think about it, whether or not Racing Bulls perform is of minor importance to the main team so they can afford to have Perez driving there much like they can have Ricciardo there now and Yuki to "make Honda happy" (they have historically always pushed for a Japanese driver).
Red Bull might start 2025 with Perez in the first 2-3 races and then have a "change of mind" and have Perez switch with Liam Lawson or Isack Hadjar (Red Bull Academy driver and most likely F2 champion in 2024) or whoever is signed for Racing Bulls for 2025. Back in 2016 Red Bull started their season with RIcciardo/Kvyat. They had Kvyat switch seats with Verstappen after 4 races. In 2019 it was the same story with Gasly being switched with Albon midway through the season.
"One of those two seats are going to Perez and his 70 million sponsorship, that is a foregone conclusion." No, Red Bull will keep those millions. Another reason Perez has stayed at Red Bull for so long is that *his name sells a LOT of Red Bull energy drinks in Mexico* . At Racing Bulls Perez can still help the Red Bull drinks company rake in billions from sales in Mexico. Alpine doesn't need to market their cars in Mexico and Sauber is gearing up to become Audi so they neither need the money nor Perez's "input".
Red Bull "keeps" Perez for he brings in the company a lot of money in Mexico and that is way more useful to them than the sponsorship deal he comes with. Once Red Bull drops Perez completely I doubt he can find a drive anymore for his stock as a driver has been steadily declining. In my mind he was never more than an average driver. I said so during his Force India days already. He finally lucked into a win (George Russell would have won easily if not for the infamous Mercedes pit tire blunder) after a record-long 190 starts in F1 (placing him dead last on the list of how many races needed before finally winning your first out of all drivers who have won a race in the 75 seasons of F1). He is also an awful qualifier. The stats make that clear as day. And since most F1 races are won from the first row with a handful from the second row it's hardly surprising it took so long for him to finally win.
WHY would Sauber want an Aston Martin test driver in their line-up? I saw Drugovich in F2 and he never struck me as a Piastri/Russell/Leclerc kind of driver. He won his F2 title mostly through consistency and a watered-down competition in the likes of Pourchaire, Logan Sargeant and Ayumu Iwasa.
If Mick Schumacher wasn't named Schumacher *nobody* would be talking about him. Kudos for him to making it to F1. The sons of Alain Prost. Nigel Mansell, James Hunt, Jody Scheckter, Niki Lauda and Jackie Stewart never made it to F1 at all. Jack Brabham's sons, Nelson Piquet's son and Mario Andretti's son did but they never made much of an impression. Only Graham Hill's and Keke Rosberg's sons were champions themselves.
Doohan is worth a shot. The jury is still out on him.
Honda were 9th in 2008. Admittedly, the drivers were already signed, and the team went through a major change, but I’d say the pairing of Ruben’s and Jenson was pretty damn good for a 9th placed team.
Maybe James vowles is a Ross Brawn and Williams pulls a double diffuser...
Remember Alonso-Button at McLaren
I just wanted to say that you both are absolutely amazing at what you do. Your insights and enthusiasm for Formula 1 are infectious, and I always look forward to your videos. Keep up the fantastic work!
I’m just happy to be able to see Carlos racing more next year
Has the potential to be a genius move let’s be honest
As an American, I just want to watch the absolute best drivers in the world. I do not care if I don't have a countryman in F1.
However my f1 manager team of Sargent and Crawford are coming for the crown.
This is just insane. Hope Williams will improve.
This is probably Williams’ best driver line up in what, 2 decades? The best since at least Heidfeld and Webber
Bottas and Massa was a pretty solid line-up in 2014. At Red Bull Ring, Austria the two of them even qualified on the front-row outqualifying the mighty Mercedes driven by Hamilton and Nico Rosberg. They also led the race for the first 15 laps. Here's what. Massa won 11 races and missed the 2008 title by a whisker. Bottas went on to win 10 races (placing him in an elite list of only 35 drivers to have won 10 or more races) and 20 poles (he almost put a Williams on pole) which is quite respectable.
I'd rank them higher than Heidfeld (never won) and Webber (could beat Vettel on a good day).
Sainz is an underrated driver who most seem to forget beat Norris at McLaren and Leclerc at Ferrari. He also beat Verstappen in a few races at Toro Rosso in 2015.
Albon has the spirit and it's a shame he has been unable to show his potential by driving mostly hopeless Williams cars.
Do they need to make another emergency podcast on Perez keeping his seat? Cause it's more surprising than Sainz going to Williams.
Somebody on here called them "Team No Appendix" and I lost it 😂
Think sainz tweeted that
We're just waiting for Adrian.
He deserves a better car. Hope Williams turns around and also hires newey.
Many drivers deserve a better car : Gasly, Albon, Hulk, Yuki, Alonso
He would've been PERFECT for Red Bull...but no, they want to keep Checo 💀
@@Shuuboxyes but if he go to red bull he will be just second driver wingman to Max but of course he will do better than Perez in that Red bull lol🤔🤫
@@Shuubox It can all be explained this way.
1. Red Bull knows they're lost without Max so they want to prevent him from going to another team.
2. Carlos Sainz would be a lot tougher team mate than Checo. Sainz after all beat Norris at McLaren and Leclerc at Ferrari.
3. Max may not have said so himself but the team has assessed him and therefore know they can't afford to make him say:"That's it I'm leaving and signing for Mercedes." so signing Carlos might bring the entire house down. Michael Schumacher actually enjoyed this privilege too at Ferrari in who he wanted as his team mate. Ferrari actually approached Mika Hakkinen for a drive in 2000 but Schumacher implied:"If he comes to Ferrari I will leave." So they signed Barrichello instead - a driver who hadn't even won a single race yet when he came to Ferrari in 2000.
Likewise I have a hunch Max implied:"You sign Sainz and I will leave."
What Red Bull have however done is paint themselves into a corner.
"He would've been PERFECT for Red Bull..." Perfect for Red Bull indeed but not perfect for Max...
I'm ready to witness Sainz pull off one of the greatest moves with Williams just like Ham did with Mercedes or Schumacher with Ferrari.
The difference is, they wanted to go to those teams based on what they were pitched and probably had endless options. This seems like Sainz went for the best of what he could get.
I really hope this works out like that despite being a Ferrari fan
@@hakshustletv Neither Schumacher nor Hamilton actually had something to lose either. They already were champions with Benetton and McLaren respectively and thus didn't need to prove themselves. Like Niki Lauda famously said:"The first title is always the hardest for once that is won you'll always have the title in the history books no matter what happens later. The 2nd and 3rd titles are mere bonuses to a proven champion."
Sainz is a proven race winner and I have no doubt he has it in him to win several more races. But does he want to become champion one day? If so he took a gamble. Maybe a shrewd one, we shall see.
@@paulallen8109 I think the difference is in the stages of their career. Yeah Lewis already won but he was only getting started and hungry for more titles, the expectations were very high, Mike was in a similar predicament. Sainz seems to be in the 3rd quarter of his career at the very least and looks like we've just about seen the full potential of Sainz, I don't think anyone expects to see anything wildly different beyond what we've seen already we've kind of gotten a good idea about the caliber of driver that he is, ask Sainz, he will probably tell you he still wants that championship, is it realistic? Idk. Imo, you'd have to get him a car that's head and shoulders above the rest for that to be on the table. If it's closely matched with the best, it isn't happening, there are better drivers that will be quicker and more consistent over the course of a season.
Audi: Wants to sign Sainz
Also Audi: LETS GET MATTIA S🅱INOTTO AS TEAM PRINCIPAL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
The biggest question now is if Albon bins the car into the barriers next season, does Albon get Carlos' car now or do they have to track down Logan in Florida and commandeer his personal Corvette or something?
Williams to me is what Ferrari is to Matt
Glad Carlos has landed. He deserves a seat and I can't wait to see Williams beat Ferrari!
Whàt??? 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Yes, Williams can beat Ferrari if they setup their car
Williams dominance could hurt the sport
each ferrari driver will beat williams individually lol
@@V0LTUnDeAd Let's see...time will tell, but Ferrari is a joke as everyone knows
I can not believe that Carlos sainz will go to Williams already
As a Williams fan... I finally have hope. James, Alex, Carlos... God damn we may have a future to look forward to!
should’ve moved to Sauber and stuck it out for the new regs under Audi. put his career in the balance of beating Albon with this move.
I don’t think that Sainz has faith in Mattia, or just more faith in Vowels which I think is pretty reasonable after 2022
@@Rb26z still a safer bet long-term than Williams, especially given they’ll have the investment to hit the budget cap. Plus, he’d have no doubt become the main man in the Audi F1 project, but has instead settled for the same no-first-driver dynamic he has at Ferrari in a team that has no real prospect of finishing above the midfield within the next decade.
Sauber can’t even score points let alone perform a decent pitstop. Who wants to go there? Seems like it would take a few years for Audi just to become a midfield team.
@@jamesvoneschen6603 they’ll be putting an eyewatering amount of money into the new regs.
@@OK-fi4yq See how much Aston has spent over the past few years, and look where they’re at. I mean even Racing Point was competent; how is Audi gonna fix the team when it’s fundamentally dogshit?
*Conspiracy Theory:*
What if secretly Audi are telling Sauber in the contract that they have to be shit for this 2 years so that they get maximum windtunnel time and with that build a really good car. It would not even damage the name of audi because the are Stake-Sauber now. And then Audi can swipe in with a good car and claim all the good reputation for turning it around.
Not saying it is that way. Just a big what if.
The most likeable & cool driver lineup!!! Go Williams!
Tommy's random little bits are just flawless 😂
James is the goat!!! "James we need a new driver, LOOK FOR ONE WITHOUT THERE APPENDIX PLEASE WE NEED THE WEIGHT SAVINGS!!!!"
Imagine Carlos+Albon+Vowles+Adrian Newey cooking up a car with a beutiful Gulf Oil Livery with the Duracell Battery on Top.
He should have gone to Andretti Racing.
Honestly hauling the William dust bin 2-4 grid slots up the grid each week would make Carlos look like a Hero and maybe raise his stock for a front row seat in ‘27 after the new reg dust has settled. Everyone loves a driver over performing in a midfield car.
Williams still has a money problem, just a different one. Because of the cost cap, they can't spend money modernizing their machinery, infrastructure, and systems at the pace they would like.
That puts them at a disadvantage compared to teams that already did that big spending modernizing their operations before the cost cap.
Alonso and Button at McLaren is the biggest differential in driver skill and car performance IMO
Whats the chance that James whispered in Carlos ears that Adrian Newey is finally joining Williams. And this is the news that Carlos was waiting for 🤷♂
The williams weight advantage will be insane with 2 drivers without an apendix
I think most F1 fans would love Williams to return to its former glory
Leaves the door open for Doohan to Alpine
Should do a video on Perez staying at redbull
0:35 I was waiting at the Euro tunnel waiting to come home from the Spa
RIP Sainz' podium future
Spa 2021 has entered the chat.
@3:20 Tommy you're forgetting McLaren 2015-2017 with Button and Alonso. Two WDCs line up on a tractor car...
redbull dropped the ball they had the opportunity to really fire on all cylinders next year with a sainz verstappen lineup
yeah...if only daddy Verstappen were a little bit more reasonable person.
@@johart309 apparently daddy Sainz is not very easy going either
Yes they dropped the ball big. Similarly when Mercedes had to replace Bottas, but did not take the risk for years. Could have tried with Ocon or Russell.
This was the best case scenario for Carlos he isn’t going to Merc or Red Bull. He has a clause in his contract just in case they offer him a seat. Also people claiming this is bad for him because they aren’t a works team guess what Red Bull was a customer team for the longest time and everyone wanted to be on Red Bulls roster. Williams has pedigree even if you have no clue about that because your just DTS fan.
*sad freedom noises from Logan* 🦅🇺🇸
He knew he was out. I watch a AI that streams all the radio messages and Sargent said at one point something about ‘that overtake was too much for me’ while attempting to overtake one of his fellow snails. He did not succeed.
I find myself wondering if he’s ever actually done a real, like, fighting overtake in his whole time in F1?
Does anyone know?
Regardless of Williams' placing...I'm now an honest fan of the team. I won't expect wins or performance, but I'll always take pleasure seeing them succeed.
Carlos ran away from Audi once he saw binotto joined 😂
Bin-it-to
Sbinalla memes incoming
Bottas will stay at Sauber on a 2 year deal, Magnussen will get the Alpine seat over Mick & Doohan, and Antonelli will get the Mercedes seat. As for Red Bull, Ricciardo goes to the main team and Lawson to VCarb
Did James vowles talk Carlos into it…..? or did Carlos and his agent negotiate themselves out of every other viable option? #Facts
There were no other viable options except Haas and Audi.
The intros are getting better and better 😂
Just a prayer for loggie sarg
Hope this is one of the many announcements/drama events of the summer, this break is gonna do me in the way this season is going.
kimi to merc
daniel to redbull
liam to RB
bottas to alpine
checo to sauber
I'm on board with the first 3 but I can't imagine Audi letting go of Bottas just to get Perez.
Hadjar will go to RB
Hmm. Close I think. Never thought of Checo to Sauber, especially if he brings $$.
Jack Doohan will be announced as Alpines second driver.
matt and tommy live on call for days like this
Honestly a smart move from carlos, williams will only improve on this year’s car for 2025 and should be better or equally as competitive as alpine without all the drama…and in 2026 they’ll have the mercedes engine and I’m sure they’ll be a clause for 2026 incase max decides to move to merc for that year so he can be able to replace him at redbull, or move to audi in 2027 if they’re project is picking up steam and williams are stagnant.
I think the odds of Carlos going to Red Bull are pretty high, even if Max doesn't leave. I'm pretty sure Checo will be replaced by Daniel Ricciardo this summer, and Daniel will probably retire at the end of the year. After that, Carlos can join Red Bull.
smoked some crack have you
Daniel retire after being finally promoted back to redbull…you can’t be serious 😂
i am numb almost dead with the news but Williams we go 🥲🥲🥲
This mean Antonelli Mercedes Confirmed?
best move is to loan Albon from Williams, put Antonelli there and swap after 1-2 seasons.
No. Antonelli himself said he isn't ready for F1 yet, so it's still probable that Merc also don't think he's ready and go with Checo maybe, or Mick comes back
@@TheMissiIe0% lol
@@TheMissiIecheco 😂?
Merc probably won't make the decision till later in the year, if they/Kimi think it's time for F1, he'll be in for 2025, if they don't think he's ready yet, Mick might do 2025 with Kimi coming in for 2026.
Ferrari 1980. They finished 10th in the constructors with Jody Scheckter and Gilles Villeneuve
CARBON
My first thought when this news hit was: Who snapped up Logan to free up this seat?
my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
I was happy to hear this cause Williams needs a good line up like this! And James will pull that team out of the bottom pack and into a solid midfielder long term. They are properly investing with the right people.
And Alex and Carlos lost their apendex so both are are lighter lol
Williams radio next season: “Hello Carlos this is James. Good morning.”
Synchronicity : Tom saying ’such a shame’ as a video about Talk Talk’s graphic artist appears in my yt suggestions
This makes me SO EXCITED. Albon and Sainz are two really solid drivers, I highly doubt James would have been able to convince Carlos to join without some promising plans for the future