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@@bosslax3162 ending like that was the plan from the beginning. the video was never intended to say who I thought the GOAT was, bc the video isn't about me. so no, I didn't take the easy way out
The amount of hours you put into this are ridiculous and the quality of the content shows it. I've never been so proud to be a subscriber for a UA-camr. Thank you, Rusty, for being the GOAT
There are very few people on this platform with the drive to create and release an entire documentary. Not a 30-40 minute discussion piece, but a true documentary. Your channel is criminally underrated, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that the work you’re doing is appreciated in this community.
@@Armenian_King True...great points by the way...MJ stat line in that "86 playoff series was 43.7 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 2.3 spg 1.3 blks and that was with double and triple teams they( the '86 Celtics won) but they couldn't stop MJ... then again back then who could.
If MJ didn't break his foot or retire for 1 year and a half and then retired for 4 or 5 years he probably would have been the All Time Leading Scorer or at least 2nd passing Karl Malone. But missing Lakers and Spurs fighting for a title every year holding my breath and gasping every play down the court. Injuries and age will not let any other dynasties happen, I don't count Warriors-Cavs rivalry bc it was kinda 1-sided
@@gogobrazy9333 I feel that Duncan's also a reserved individual, who doesn't want the attention of GOAT talks, not that he'd be upset about it, it's just not important to him, so long as San Antonio loves him.
The Last Dance is not a proper documentary, as Jordan's company was one of the producers of the project. It is a biased look at MJ's career, steers clear of his marriage/infidelity problems, and is just problematic in so many ways
True, by a large percentage of fans at least. They don't even know that he was leagues better than Kobe (a player barely in the top 15 all-time btw, let alone top 10 or goat case) and the best player of the 2000s lol, nor his carries, abilities and achievements.
@@prezian1312: I definitely, disagree with what yall said. Because yes, Tim Duncan was a great Player & a champion! But Kobe Bryant owned The Spurs in the playoff, including a 18-12 record against Tim Duncan in the playoffs.
Mingled Jester Tim Duncan kind of did more though both had 5 champions same as Kobe and 3x finals mvp compared to kobe 2x finals mvp.He was also a 2x mvp and I feel like he dominated that era.Shaq also but Kobe made the bigger impact worldwide obviously as we know.Its easily between Kobe,Tim duncan,or shaq.
Appreciate Greatness! My favorite player of all time is Tim Duncan. I don't think I will ever forget balling in tears when I watched his jersey retirement ceremony. Despite this, I am with you completely. It annoys me how fans treat there favorite players like deity's and bash anyone who says anything against their player. I see this a lot with Kobe fans, LeBron fans and MJ fans. If I say I liked Duncan's career better, I am not stabbing Kobe's career. I'll say he was a super talented player. I just like how Duncan handled himself, his willingness to sacrifice for the team, and how he just wanted to win and did not care about flashy moments. At the end of the day, basketball is a beautiful game, and these players and others helped make it what it is. :)
I agree. I am also a big Tim Duncan fan. He is my favorite player replacing Kareem Abdul Jabbar. His demeanor and simple yet powerfully effective playing is just damn near perfect. As a teammate Tim was grounded, humble, and wasn't a stat chaser like many stars who followed. Tim's turnaround bank shot was money. It was as good as the shot we take on a billiard table. I guess if I was able to play basketball as a pro Tim Duncan would be me. I consider Kareem Abdul Jabbar the GOAT because he excelled in basketball at all levels - High School, College, and the NBA. Also when the NBA has to ban the league's most dynamic and signature shot, the slam dunk, because of you, that speaks volumes. What's amazing is Kareem developed the most unstoppable shot in the history, the skyhook. No one has been able to repeat it.
Duncan was 5-1 in the finals, knocked off the three time champ lakers, 3 finals mvp's. Was a miracle Ray Allen shot from 6-0 in the finals. Not to shabby
@@MrOctober44 Duncan is one of the most overrated players of all time. Two of his finals victories are illegitimate in my view, especially against the Cavs. That was the first finals where the NBA completely abandoned the rules. It was like the cavs were playing by the rules, and the spurs weren't. Every screen Duncan set was a moving screen. Every time Parker, Ginobili, and Leonard drove to the basket, or did that handoff play around the perimeter, they traveled. I remember one play where Parker traveled, double dribbled, carried, and committed an up and down violation, in the same play, and it was a top play! This finals turned me off nba basketball. It was a farce, and one of the worst displays of basketball I've ever seen. They traveled so much that the defense would jump at the wrong time! The cavs got cheated out of that one. I can't consider that a real championship. Overrated! Two undeserved rings. He was a great, but is super overrated
Someone explain how this LEGEND has only 37K subscribers?? This is the most dedication I have ever seen out of a UA-camr. loved this documentary my G keep it up
sorry to make an arguement but john stockton is not overrated nor underrated. the definition of your all around point guard SUMMARY Career G 1504 PTS 13.1 TRB 2.7 AST 10.5 FG% 51.5 FG3% 38.4 FT% 82.6 eFG% 54.6 PER 21.8 WS 207.7 9x AST Champ 2x STL Champ 11x All-NBA 5x All-Defensive 1992-93 AS MVP\ 10x All-Star John Stockton John Houston Stockton Position: Point Guard ▪ Shoots: Right 6-1, 170lb (185cm, 77kg) Born: March 26, 1962 (Age: 58-111d) in Spokane, Washington us Hall of famer and the reason his starts arent that good is bc he played into his 40's
Wilt said to Jordan, "The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules, so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules for you so that you could dominate.“
@@pixelmasque The average height in the league when Wilt played was 6' 6" and today the average is 6' 7". Not a significant difference and nobody can accurately call the league when Wilt played "tiny." That's a silly argument that uninformed people keep tossing around because they think it makes them look smart. The hand check rule was changed mostly because of Jordan and the league wanting more offense. Refs also gave Jordan favorable treatment, ignoring his fouls on defense, calling fouls with Jordan on offense if somebody farted on his leg, The refs also always gave Jordan the five steps he needed for a dunk. You sound like someone who never saw Wilt play.
@@gaarou8231 Wilt didn't have any talent around him until he won the championship in Philly. He sacrificed his game that year to get his teammates involved and led the league in assists, the only center to ever do that. Bill Russell had much better talent around him when the Celtics were racking up all of those rings, not even arguable. Wilt played on the Lakers with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Gail Goodrich. They won a championship. Silly comment calling Wilt a choker but you are entitled to your opinion.
It's an amazing video. Two things bothered me however. 1. I would also bring Shaq and Hakeem into the conservation. 2. When you discussed the help each player had you didn't count coach and management.
@SunamiKilla Wilt was a center and the average center at the time was 6'10, Shaq actually had it easier. Shaq would sometimes get shut down by Dennis Rodman who was 100 lbs less than him. Take Dennis Rodman, add 50~60 lbs, add 6 inches of height, add some vert, and sacrifice no speed or athleticism and that is Wilt Chamberlain.
Hello uploader, I am a 37y.o guy from Sydney City, Australia, and I'd like to commend you on your extensive, effective and overall excellently presented videos, with this particular offering being my favourite. My favourite scene in this video is at 2:29:00 because the way you slam the book closed and nonchalantly toss it away - having directly proceeded the comprehensive analysis and breakdown of the GOAT candidates - simultaneously portrays how arduous and enduring the task was and yet also how seemingly indifferent you are to the mammoth amount of work you have done. Good to see some humour amongst the intense and rigid nature of the presentation!
Hurtful facts(as a Kobe superfan) MJ is the goat, Bron is the most complete player, Kobe is the best scorer, Hakeem has the best fundamentals, Curry is the best shooter, Shaq was the most dominant, Magic was the most versatile, Timmy was the most consistent big man, Chris Paul is the most consistent guard and Wilt, Wilt was the former goat until MJ took the throne.
i think a better way to explain lebron is he is the most physically gifted.Lets be clear, lebron slacks on defense alot, which is why he cant be truly called complete in my book nor can he be in the same convo of mike or kobe.Lebron puts up numbers no doubt.But alot of that is physical speed and power, not completeness or mental toughness.In fact 90 pct of the great stories you hear about mike and kobe talk of those mentally tough situations.
@@EC_IS_Here Facts. But bron was a good defender if he wants to. He doesn't have the same mindset like MJ and Kobe. Maybe he just want to prolong his career by moving less in defense
Lol. Uh, no. Jordan is HANDS DOWN the greatest scorer the league has ever seen. Bryant was a mediocre shootin' gunner that ain't even in Money's stratosphere. LeBron isn't the most complete player (but WindyCityKid put it best about him possibly being the most physically gifted) and Chris Paul _damn sure_ ain't more consistent than STOCKTON. What the hell you smokin'?
funny how you mention the .conspiracy' around mj's retire, but didn't mention exactly why he came back to the wiz..... it was not for 'the love of the game' but was a request by management to get ratings and increase ticket sales, in return once mj retires he would be able to go back to his role as bball ops with ownership options.....this was the only real reason he came back to play with the wiz. but when he retired, the owners declined him the role and ownership option, which pissed him off and the rest is history
Mj claimed he missed the game of basketball and decided to return with a low contract expecting to return b-ball operations he also wanted to play alongside the number one draft pick he recommended to chose he pushed the first overall draft pick kwame brown to the point where he claimed he felt ashamed of himself for not living up to mj’s expectations. The wizards didn’t take him back as b-ball ops because of the way he trash talked the staff and fellow players at the time
MJ still loved the game it was just a case of 2 birds one stone. Before he was injured he averaged 25 6 5. There is no way at 38 or 39 you averaging that and playing your heart out does not equate for love of the game.
In the year that Wilt averaged 50.4ppg for a season (1961-62), Wilt's Warriors ended up losing to Russell's Celtics in the 1962 playoffs in 7 games by just 2 points. It said in the video that they lost in 6 games, so I am making the correction here.
That's actually the counterargument to Russell in the top 5 convo. He has all the titles but look at home team winning percentage that decade. It was like 75% most years. The Celtics were stacked so always had the 1 seed and Wilt almost always pushed them to 7. So even though the leagues were smaller, the Celtics didn't exactly dominate teams.
@@reuvenroslynesq8954 The Celtics took it easy during the regular season but would hit nitrous in the playoffs and finals. Bill Russell is perfect in the playoffs. The lie that the celtics had it really easy, in particular because of less teams and the other lie that there were nothing but short caucasians, is a cope because what Bill Russell achieved is supposed to be impossible.
Over FlightReacts we all know he was the first player to score 1000 points in ONE game and won 12 mvps with 20 finals championship but of course since he played during the older times the cameras wasn’t turned on at the time since technology was limited back in his time
Great documentary. One stat line for MJ. You said he struggled when returning from injury avg ONLY 22 pts. He did that on a 15 min per game minute count while supposed to be tanking. Made playoffs anyways and 22 pts!
That there showed bad league was then add is Jordan put over isaiah when Jordan never did nothing earn it. Isaiah beat real Lakers and Boston Where never beat Boston only beat fake lakers
@Lance Dela Cruz the league is so much more talented today. Those “good” 90’s rosters would get their heads beat in by top teams today. Don’t beleive? Which one of mikes teams beat the 17 or 18 warriors. You can pick anyone of his teams he got a ring with, and they still lose in 5 to the warriors. The 90’s era is overall af
First of all very very good video/documentary. Goatmentary it is. MJ had the least help points among them but placed 2nd in championships. Just saying.. He is the perfect mix of individual greatness as Wilt and team success as Russell.
@jason roman dude you do realize that all those teams had 60+ wins, a great coach, and also they had to get through the tough eastern conference every year
jason roman you cant mic drop to something that’s wrong. Jordan made more all defense team then Lebron and has a DPOY so saying all he had do was score is incorrect. Also Lebron has only been without another all in his first stint in Cleveland and 2018 in Cleveland. In those he never won anything of note except individual accolades, and those teams never beat good teams as the east was always weak. Now Lebron still was the main catalyst but they had a great system of shooters that could space the floor for Lebron, and they played good team basketball, but last time I checked he didn’t win any rings no DPOY’s and he was swept in the finals. So even if he carried he didn’t win also in 2018 he got past a injured Celtics team, a good raptors team I’ll give you that, but saying he did everything is wrong when he didn’t make an all defensive team for the past 5 years, he’s been sitting out games, and that 2018 Cavaliers team was last in defensive rating, so clearly if he was doing everything he wasn’t doing it well. So if he was carrying he never won without another all star. So what are we left with, he’s won 3 chips with 2 assists other all stars where both teams lost more in the finals then they won (I’ll give him a pass in Cleveland.) but also he’s never won 60 games in Cleveland and they were a bad defensive team. Also last time I checked Jordan always had a 60 win season and was top 3 in the league for defensive rating every season. Also stop with the bullshit about pippen. Jordan in 1987 where he didn’t have any other all star but pippen was a rookie averaging 7 ppg, and got to the ECF and was beaten by the pistons who had the far superior team, but no Jordan just couldn’t win without pippen but for Lebron when he gets to the finals and gets swept and he shoots poorly from the field and gets shut down defensively by the spurs no he doesn’t have enough help bro be consistent with your arguements.
jason roman also you see how you are trying to downplay the dominance of the bulls who won 6 chips (btw Dennis Rodman wasn’t there on the first one) that Jordan had so much help when Rusty Buckets just showed you that Jordan had less help, but also nobody other then him and Scottie averaged over 15 ppg where as Lebron had more all stars he’s played with and has a worse winning percentage than MJ though MJ has less help. Also MJ went to the ECF three times before making the finals where the pistons set up the whole defense around just stopping him, not pippen (who was averaging only like 12 ppg at the time) because and I’m quoting them that no one else on that team could beat them. Also you can penalize Jordan for having help that’s not fair no Goat player can win without help, I’m just saying that fuck the times Lebron carried, but I care about the times he actually won, and as far as I can see when he was actually in a contending position he had more help, and less rings to show for it MIC 🎤 DROP
I'm on the LeBron side and with the amount of hate LeBron gets, the fact that the question gets debated on endlessly over and over again from now until forever actually is a HUGE case for LeBron. No other great guard/wing player has come this close to Jordan's GOAT stature to the point where people start a royal rumble in barber shops over it. As a life long LeBron fan, that's all I can ask for. I was only 9 years old when LeBron was drafted so I literally grew from a single digit year old child into me turning 30 in 3 months with him still being a major force in the league. I was calling LeBron the greatest of all time on the school bus back in like 2006 lol. I knew what I was seeing! Back then, people just laughed at that opinion. Now they get mad lol. It's real now and they don't want it to be.
Surely this is an unbiased documentary and l have no problems with any of the selections you made. l love how this documentary shows the flaws and strengths of each of these greats. lt is good to know that each of these players is great in their own way, but their flaws also make them natural, rather than the superhumans some like to make certain players out to be.
This is my fourth time watching this documentary on legends in the NBA. It is so well done and through. I wish Hakeem and Shaq were included however. Great work Rusty Buckets!!!!
Best and most thorough GOAT video I’ve seen on UA-cam. I hated Jordan for his whole career, and, as a Lakers fan, I wish I could say Jabbar, Magic or Kobe was the best, but, alas, Jordan is the GOAT.
Why you hated Michael Jordan if he was in the Eastern Conference his whole career and thus didn't prevent the Lakers from making the NBA Finals and the Lakers only made the NBA Finals once in his prime.
Pill Box I hated Jordan too, but for a different reason. The shine he took off of Scottie Pippen’s achievements, to put himself on that GOAT Pedestal. Pippen if you look at his achievements is a 85% LeBron James, just like Kobe is a 85% Micheal Jordan. Jordan has a career 48% win-rate WITHOUT Scottie Pippen, he had 0 of 5 winning seasons, and was 1-10 in the playoffs overall without him(the east was top-heavy, like now, so sub-500 teams made the playoffs in those 3 seasons) . Jordan also lost a critical playoff game 7 in 1995 when Pippen was out with a Disability, BUT the blame still gets put on Pippen for missing the game , and not Jordan for not being able to win without Pippen by his side. Jordan is only the GOAT, when he had Pippen by his side. Then his career win rate goes up to 68% when they are together, and 6-5 for winning their conference. Together, the Jordan-Pippin Bulls were THE GREATEST DUO OF ALL TIME.
Doctor Cthulhu what series are you talkin about? If it’s the 95 ecf pippen played every game and that only went 6 .That was MJs return year. What game 7 are you talking about?
@@cjwrench07 The shine he took away? Jordan was the one who made Pippen who he was. And you act like as soon as Scottie showed up and made a huge difference to Jordan winning when in fact he was a bench player and only averaged 7 ppg. Last I checked it's a TEAM game to win, Jordan is THE GOAT for how truly great he was, but even he can't win and do it all himself so Scottie was his Robin.
@@cjwrench07 Pippen is not LBJ 85% pippen was a great 2nd option but there is no way he was a HOF if he was not on the bulls. Jordan Pushed him to who he was he was also guarding MJ in oractice which made him very good. Pippen scored 0 pts in game 7 of 1990 ECF throwing the game away he was not an allstar in 1991 as well. Lmao.
@@martinezjourney6759 lololol.. the thing is, this discussion was ended the first time Lebron lost in the finals. The guy can get 4 more rings still won't matter.
Appreciate Greatness GOAT LIST: 1. Kareem 2. MJ 3. Wilt 4. Kobe 5. Magic For a starting lineup I'd pick: 1. Magic, 2. MJ, 3. Bird, 4. Duncan, 5. Shaq If Magic doesn't get HIV, he's easily top 3 all time but we have to judge by what happened and not what ifs Wilt could be #1 all time but doesn't have enough rings to get him past Kareem and MJ Kobe is top 5 because people always say 'he is the closest to MJ' which means he's top 5 if most people have MJ as the goat right? It is hard to include folks who played in the Jim Crow era but they are great no doubt(Jerry west, bill Russell etc)
@@laccin that's like saying a Honda civic is better than a ferrari cause I grew up watching my dad drive a ferrari and you grew up watching yours driving a Honda civic.
@@laccin yeah but you cant base your opinion on nostalgia you ahve to abe it on facts and the facts shoe mj is better more dominant and had a better career in shorter time that newborn has and he hasnet even been able to math it in 4 more seasons than what mj had
I've been a fan of Lebron ever since 2003, and for years I personally believed Lebron was the G.O.A.T. But as I started to play, watch and learn about the game it becomes more and more clear to me that M.J is and will remain the G.O.A.T, at least for another couple of decades. Out of everyone, Lebron and Kareem probably have the strongest argument against MJ in that they sustained their peak for such a long time to set mind blowing numbers/records. If your category for defining G.O.A.T is longevity and sustained greatness then I'd put Lebron, Kobe and Kareem all above MJ, but none of the 3 greats quite reached the peak that MJ has reached. MJ's prime/peak is just a tad better than anyone and everyone who has played whether it is in advanced metric, basic numbers and more importantly just pure eye test. Though I think it is pointless to discuss who the best player is out of the players that played in different eras, I think if you look closely enough the evidences will show who the greatest is.
@James Robert no I just don't value Kareem dominating a weak era in the 70s and his Lakers titles that highly because of all the help he had while being a second option for the majority of them
There is only one GOAT! You are the GOAT for making this documentary, I have so much respect for you and for the hours you put on this, it was just amazing! As you said the GOAT label is very subjective and is also generational and local, I'm sure a 70 year old person living in Boston would probably say Bill is the Goat for instance, anyway really good job I enjoyed it!
I agree with this comment 100%. Respect for the time, dedication, and the final product. This is ESPN level quality. I hope you’re making some money from this, even if it is a passion project.
@@metalsadman I think you're correct about more people thinking mj is better but I think mj was more of a brand than lbj he was put into a team of Scottie pippen who was one of the best players in the NBA and Dennis rodman who was one of the best defenders in the NBA aswell as one of the best coaches all time LeBron was drafted to the Cavs who after he left were the worst team in the league then the heat days where he had some talent around him although not the level of talent Jordans team had and LeBron shone and arguably the most talented team he has been on was the Cavs in their finals win against the 73-9 Warriors in that team Kyrie who was a star but has since negatively affected any team he's been on and Kevin love who was on the decline with this team he managed to beat the warriors who had Kevin Durant an all time great scorer Stephen Curry the best player in the league behind LeBron Draymond green one of the best defensive players in the league if not all time and Klay Thomson one of the best shooters of all time and iguodala who is a decent player and Steve Kerr who is an all time great coach not to mention LeBron had lue as a coach who very much was below average not to mention lebron was getting older at this time for any player to be able to over come those odds is insane Jordan was very much a incredible player but he did get alot of help and his teams performance is arguably worse than LeBron's teams performances LeBron has less rings but he also has never lost in the first round and the amount of times he has made finals considering the teams he was on and if you look at win rates before and after LeBron left his team the bulls lost 2% more games the cavs went from a top 8 team to a bottom 2 team twice and excluding the season where bron was injured the Lakers went from one of the worst teams to one of the best he is the most talented player I mean just look at his basketball iq and his athleticism aswell as this strength he can play any position on the floor proven by him playing pg he is efficient from three from mid range and from in the paint there is nothing LeBron can't do on the floor
@hitek9wittafulclip Nowhere near? I respect your opinion but did you see that man (Hakeem) play in his prime? He was dominant offensively as well as defensively. He won just about every award/accolade possible throughout his career. Hall of fame centers such as Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, and Alonzo Mourning can attest to Olajuwon's greatness. 2× NBA champion (1994, 1995) 2× NBA Finals MVP (1994, 1995) NBA Most Valuable Player (1994) 12× NBA All-Star (1985-1990, 1992-1997) 6× All-NBA First Team (1987-1989, 1993, 1994, 1997) 3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996) 3× All-NBA Third Team (1991, 1995, 1999) 2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1993, 1994) 5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1994) 4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1985, 1991, 1996, 1997) NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985) 2× NBA rebounding leader (1989, 1990) 3× NBA blocks leader (1990, 1991, 1993) NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team NBA Career Stats Points: 26,946 (21.8 ppg) Rebounds: 13,747 (11.1 rpg) Blocks: 3,830 (3.1 bpg) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html
The hours you spent and dedication to create such a great G.O.A.T.mentary video. Salute to you. This is much appreciated and you deserve more subscribers and more views. Rusty is the 🐐
Wonderful video! Bill Russell was not 1st team (11) times, he was 1st team (3) times, 2nd team (8) times. During Chamberlain's career, Russell was 1st team (2) times to Chamberlain's (7). So Bill had the rings, Wilt had the individual accolades.
I go back and forth on them so much. I go with Russell because I don't believe that Wilt would have won as many titles with the supporting cast. He'd be favored every year but IDK if he'd win all of them.
@jay are fully understood, i wish it were like that today. Lebron would have had his MVPs still yet. Kobe would have had more than 1. Jordan might have had 10. Don't know if Duncan or Garnett get theirs if you let the players vote.
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@@jimb0072 lebron will never catch MJ...his leqacy has been tarnished by his win loss record in finals competition and his performance in the finals vs Mavericks..he will however be second to MJ having the second least of help
@@vivianbutler5851 mj had a team with ron harper,dennis rodman,and pippen with phil coaching that's a super team then had the best European player and Australian player on his team.
@@stevencowart-ud7ds Yes all good players..but roster to roster Ill take Dwade over Pippen, Bosh over Grant, Harper wins the matchup against Chalmers, Ray Allen beats out Tony Kukov, Rodman is one dimensional but probably beats out Miami's best defender ..and Phil beats out Spo..but Spo has Pat Riley in his ear..whom combined I'll take over Phil..so I'd say its pretty close..but Lebron had slightly more help than Jordan
Hakeem was clearly the BEST player after Jordan went on his 2 year hiatus. That 94-95 Championship was special because my Houston Rockets were the first lower seed to win it all against 3 teams that won 60+games and 1 team that won almost 60 games. They were the 6th seed when they won their second title.
In my opinion Bill Russell and Micheal Jordan should make up half of everyone's all time NBA players Mt Rushmore without question. However I also think Kobe Bryant should take up one of those spots the last one should be reserved for another 10 years at least, but I can understand it if someone doesn't put Kobe Bryant up there and has two other people in his place.
@H8 Red thanks appreciate your kind words and the sentiments towards the Mamba. He took tougher shots and played in an era where at his position it was much tougher than MJ
@H8 Red well said not much to add to that. I'd put Mullen there and Dumars as well but after that not much. Dumars was early on in his career also. After the Bad Boys fell off he kinda did too. If you seriously like this exchange and don't care what the Jordan dick rydin zombies think check out the YT page Universe Galaxy and check out the other channel he has when you get there!
So Mj won the most in the modern era with the least amount help and retired twice. Plus being second only to Wilt in individual accomplishments. Is there even a question?
Thank you Curly. The myth that Jordan carried a bunch of scrubs to 6 titles is ludicrous. In 93 the Bulls won 57 games, in 94 with Jordan playing baseball, those bums plummeted all the way to 55 wins. The first few years, yeah, but after 87 when Pip, Ho Grant and Phil Jackson came on board, MJ had help and a ton of it.
The bulls benches were ass....yall don't know hoop....joe Kline, jus buchler, James Edwards, will pursue, Stacey king etc... the only help was from the greatest shooter of all time Craig Hodges(go look at the 3pnt contest curry nor Thompson or anybody else still ain't caught him and they get a whole rack of money balls), y'all got a lot to learn fam. Stop making bullshit comments!
Winnie Tsui the 94 bulls were a much different team than 93 dude🤦♂️ they had all the main guys from 93 and added kukoc Kerr wennington longley .. team was loaded!
The time you put into this... wow! Though I had to cringe when hearing the era MJ played in brought into question. Glad you included Bird in the discussion as he certainly belongs. And I think his case is stronger than you put on. I think it's MJ and Kareem has the best argument of everyone else.
Magic, Bird, and Duncan were great, great players and if you were doing top 10 all time they're all worth considerations but neither I think is in anyones consideration for the GOAT, this argument has always been about the fab 5 MJ., Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain or Lebron
In my opinion MJ is the goat but he did player in one of the lesser talented eras. Not because there wasn't enough talent but bcuz it was only one of those dudes per team. Ewing, Hakeem, Drexler, Robinson, Barkley, Reggie, Grant Hill had no second star. There were literally only a handful of teams who did. And even if they did they were not as good as Pippen. Mourning had Tim hardaway. Shaq had Penny who was only really good for like 2 in a half seasons and the same thing for gary payton and shawn kemp. The only other most consistent duo was Stockton and Malone but by the time they started making it out of the west the bulls had a third star in Rodman so yeah. Also how else can you explain having the least amount of help points but also going 6 and 6 in the finals.
lebron just won his th title , but i must say, MJ will always be the GOAT, no disrespect to lebron, but MJ is just that once in a lifetime all around athlete and champion that we will never see play again.
Mj never passed the ball to anyone🤣 no disrespect but he was tat type of player whereas Lebron gets his teammates involved whether if it's season playoff or finals. Mj former teammate was asked whom he would want to play with MJ or LBJ n he replied LBJ stating the fact tat again MJ never passed the ball. Where the people in tat room laughed when hearing tat answer, not an all round player just stating the facts bout all round
@@samanirsanglir9731 jordan was an underrated passer and averaged a shit ton of assists when he played PG lmao. Also, Jordan averaged 11 assists in the ‘91 finals second only to magic. Its just that Phil Jackson developed a system to emphasize jordan taking more of a scoring role rather than a playmaking role or overall doing everything.
i’ve played, coached and watched b ball for over 50 years. Anyone who thinks MJ isn’t the greatest simply never saw him play. I don’t care one iota about highlight clips. they’re irrelevant except to point out clutch moments. Michael would go entire games without doing anything spectacular, that’s not what wins games. He would relentlessly score on mid range shots, in transition, or at the rim in the half court and find teammates when they were open. He was unstoppable and never let off the intensity, he played every game and every minute. He was the ultimate irresistible force that broke the opponent, as he did it on both ends of the floor. As one of the greatest defenders of all time, his opponents never had a moment to rest, mentally or physically. His competitiveness, confidence and leadership were also unparalleled. He was more of a Patton type of leader, not warm and fuzzy, but his teammates were forced to achieve a higher level and care more about winning than they ever had; the alternative was far too unpleasant. You never see any of that in highlights, only his spectacular aerial displays with some of his iconic clutch plays ( which is legit) sprinkled in. Entertaining, but completely fails to capture why he was the greatest player, not just the greatest athlete. His true greatness, if you watched him live, was that you KNEW he was going to win, you knew it. He took control of the outcome and there was never any doubt. Barry Bonds at the plate his last few years was the only athlete I ever saw where you knew the outcome was a foregone conclusion. MJ never even went to a single game 7 in the playoffs. Traditional stats showing 35/ game in the playoff on over 50% shooting, near record steals, etc are illustrative, but look at advanced stats, they show just how much more dominant he was than anyone else.
@@busterboy23 bruh u cant say ya lebron is and then say we all have different opinions Say it with chest Bitch jordan is the greatest of all time if u dont think so ur dumb Cmon
How’re you dumb if you don’t think Jordan is the GOAT..? If anything, you’re the dumb one, I mean c’mon. We all know Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT, man.
Honestly when I think about it Tim Duncan is the 3rd best player of all time. He had some of the toughest competition ever. The Lakers with Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe. The big 3 Heat. He had go against KG and Drik. Who both played in the west. With a that competition he won 5 championships.
But honestly to me it goes Mj lebron then Kobe, ill pick them 3 players before anybody in history idc game on the line them my go 2 guys period..And Kareem was great 2 but ill take Shaq anyday.
Tim duncan is one of the best ever. He didnt need to be explosive. He just dominated and won. He played basketball how it is meant to be played. Being flashy doesn't mean your great
Danny Green Is A BRICK Jordan 6-0. End of discussion. Winning titles with just one all star on his team. LeBron losing with 2 all stars on his team. LeBrons stat pads, gets swept twice in the finals. Come back and talk to me when LeBron has 5 rings
@Danny Green Is A BRICK @Danny Green Is A BRICK wtf why is lebron always locked onto Jordan’s discussion，why not compare him to Kareem lol，these recency bias kids are idiotic lol
Appreciate greatness....... Hands down greatest documentary I've ever seen on the greatest players in the NBA. So yes you earned my subscription. Great job!
I actually watched this whole video, 10/10, this was like watching a movie, thanks for the effort on it, it’s appreciate by NBA fans everywhere #appreciategreatness
Great points and including Duncan was awesome. My personal list is as follows Jordan Kareem Russell/wilt Magic/bird Kobe Lebron Hakeem/shaq Duncan/big O
It's funny how the excuse for Jordan winning is everyone got old- really they draft happens every year. Jordan played when the east was the dominant conference. So Jordan didn't have that beast to go against because he was the beast. That's call total domination of a career.
@@DeadPizza No, beco the east sucked. He is 3-6 in the finals really shows you how a lot of times he did not deserve going in the finals. LBJ lost to an aging mavs and Spurs team. MJ was winning at 35 yrs old. LBJ has the most help wade is top 5 irving is top 10 bosh and love was top 15 before joining LBJ with a bunch of rewlly good starters and role players. Now he has Top 5 player in the league in davis and a bunch of exceptional role pplayers Davis is top 1 big man by the way too much help to go 3-6. Bot a goat.
@@deciphertwentythree7726 bulls won 55 games without mj made the ecsf, replaced him with Pete Myers and only won 2 less games, without mj and u want to talk about lebron had too much help?
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Pretty sure the 1994 season was they added Toni Kukoc lmao. Are you dumb? Also they still have their system while on the other hand LBJ is the fucking system on the teams he plays the coach has to accomodate his play style and build around him with spot shooters etc. for example. MJ was coachable and a good off ball player while LBJ is not even close when he leaves his team they collapse because the team is built around him.
If all things are being considered Kareem is the greatest of all time Hes definitely the greatest center... He won at every level, had longevity, stats, personal accolades he has a complete resume with nearly zero blemishes
I wouldn't know it, but you can use the app called Shazam. If you play the video on a laptop and hold your phone next to it while using the app, it will say which song it is. Hopefully this will help : )
I watched each of these as they came out, and just watched them all again in their entirety. This is the best video I've seen on this platform and one of the top 5 documentaries I've ever seen on any. Well done!
Wesburbs actually when Pippen & Grant came on board the team got better because these two were able to help Jordan & he didn't feel like he was doing everything.
Look at the competition just think about all I could tell you who they played against the bulls I mean the blazer,Utah,Phoenix,in the 80's they were out in the first or second round not because I say look at rosters in the 80's Utah,blazers and so on I'm out I think Jordan is great but is not one on one.
@news bad Pippen was great player but MJ's only great player, Magic had Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes all HOF, Bird had McHale, Parish, Archibald, Walton, HOF mers Lebron had Wade, and now has AD future HOFers, Kobe had Shaq, Russel had Havilcek, Cousy, the Jones boys..all HOFmers Wilt had Baylor, West , Goodrich all HOFers
@@rafaelmolinar959 Those we're not weak teams Utah had a big 3 in Stockton, Malone and Hornacek, Pheonix had a big 3 also Charles Barkely, Kevin Johnson and Dan" The Man" Marle, Seattle had Payton and Kemp, Portland had Drexler, Porter, and Duckworth in their primes Pheonix and Utah's rosters we're actually better than teh Bulls...overall...man for man except for Scottie and MJ..but no question about it MJ was the X factor
This has to stop. Kobe is not even in the GOAT conversation. The guy in the video complains about the shaq carrying kobe narrative, but then talks about how Shaq carried Kobe in the three-peat. Shaq won the regular season mvp and all three finals mvps putting up ridiculous stats. When were the rest of the goats in question anything less than the best player on their team? The rest of the candidates earned multiple regular season mvps Kobe has one. Kobe has 2 finals mvp's to go with his 5 rings. Which IMO negates the 5 ring argument in the GOAT conversation. Kobe is undoubtedly one of the best to ever do it. I'd say top 20 pretty easy, but just below GOAT tier with the likes of Hakeem, Curry, etc. It is honestly a shame Kobe is up here and not Shaq.
William Wainaina don’t ever talk Basketball ever again, you should be ashamed of yourself. Kobe easily top 5 ever! For you to say top 20 ever let’s me know you’re lack of knowledge of the game. With Kobe having 33k, 7k, 6k total stats, 15 all defensive teams( 9 first team) 11 all-nba first team ( tied for the most) 5 rings is easily top 5 material. Shaq only has one mvp as well but we all know kobe and Shaq deserved more mvps.
@@williamwainaina6198 i was with you all the way until you tried to put steph curry in the same tier as hakeem olajuwon. hakeem is consensus top 10, curry is definitely not.
@@tristangreene2888 no both Wilt and MJ were great! They both were not overrated! LOL...Wilt only holds 72 NBA records to this day. MJ holds 9. Wilt won twice and MJ 6. On a ring perspective Bill Russell won 11 times! non of these men are overrated!
We need to change GOAT to GOTT. From 'greatest of all time' which is a flawed argument, to 'greatest of their time' which is more logical and fair way of looking at players in completely different eras playing against completely different competition, rules, etc.
Great video, I would like to point out a two things though: 1) Bill Russell and Wilt definitely are a part of this conversation. However, for at least half-2/3 of their careers, the NBA only had between 8-12 teams with a vastly different Playoff format. Winning 11 Championships when Boston has an automatic first round bye, then needs to win a Best of 5 followed by a Best of 7 in the championship is way easier than the grueling modern era regular season/playoffs we have today. The season was also shorter with only 72 games in a regular season as opposed to 82 today. There is a good chance with more teams and more games, Bill's body would not have sustained the excellency he had in his career. 2) Your "Help Modifier" was an interesting metric, however I feel what would have been more fair was to have the metric be measured as a per season number. Kobe had multiple years of help from Shaq and Magic had the majority of his career with Kareem. However, both of those are measured the same way as LeBron's 4 season with Miami, the last of which was clear Wade was not the same player as he once was. Overall, great video and it was a fun watch. Props to the production quality given the size of your channel. Hope you continue to grow this! Maybe remake the video in another 3-4 years since I very well believe Steph Curry who basically changed the modern NBA game will eventually be part of this list as well.
According to your logic a players entire career is basically decided upon which team you are drafted in. Most of the small market teams aren't able to provide the right assets to compete for a championship unlike the lakers for example
Michael Jordan comes out of retirement at age 58 and joins the Hornets... Reporter: "Why Mike?" MJ: "I don't even know who Tuffa Dan is, but when I read his comment, I took it personal...."
@@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx As it happens, the 50th Thinking Basketball podcast player.fm/series/thinking-basketball/ep-50-top-scorers-in-nba-history-revisited , which I just listened to, addresses this exact point at some length. His conclusion, like mine, is that Shaq >> Kobe, and that's only referencing scoring, nvm rebounding, etc. He's got the numbers to back it up, too.
yeah nearly perfect except for the fact that he never won back to back and he had many seasons where he lost as a favorite and several seasons where he lost in the first round.
@@raferalstonisgoat4457 well I mean he also never missed the playoffs so its inevitable that he loses in the first round from time to time Kareem missed the playoffs Jordan did with the wizards Lebron has as well
@@NM-gr7cs Bron has in his rookie season and his first year with the Lakers. Both times he had subpar talent. He also has spent over 50% of his career in the Finals. Jordan was 40 and was playing with subpar talent with the Wizards.
Whenever arguments are told this or basketball discuss this way and when I finally move pass on who I think is goat or what player I think is better than the next I fully started to really appreciate basketball and the nba and it’s history. Look at how many great players we got and get to witness and we are not close to being done by a long shot.
This video is biased towards Lebron. He said Dwight Howard was an all star for Kobe but he didn't play as such as a Laker and Steve Nash was hurt but failed to name Shaq, Zo, Gary Payton, and Ray Allen as HOF'ers for Lebron.
Dog... I made it clear how this worked. Dwight was an All-Star when he played on the lakers. thats just how it is. Shaq and ray where well out of their primes, and would never be categorized as a hall of famer. I assure you this video is not biased towards LeBron lmao
Hakeem should have been there over bill russell. BR is overrated and need a 6 all star team to win against wilt as his only competor, until walt frazier and willis reed came along
@@markmerzweiler909 Wilt is like fairy tale stuff, Jordan is pure evidence. The few games I saw Wilt play against his competition actually makes me think even less of him.
@@Wis_Dom Wilt was simply the greatest athlete who ever lived. Could play 48 minutes out of 48 minutes...holds records no one will touch, had unbelievable strength and speed . . . Jordan doesn't come close. As Wilt once said to him...the NBA changed the rules to help you dominate the game...they changed the rules to stop me.
@@Wis_Dom LOL....chose any season at the age of 35 he was bringing down 18 boards a game...nobody does that today. He was such a force the NBA widened the lane and changed the rules of what constituted goal tending. Tell me, what did the NBA do to hamper Jordan....NOTHING - because he wasn't near the player Wilt was. BTW, 1962- averaged 50 pts a game and 25 rebounds. But hey, just an average player.
The amount of hours you put into this are ridiculous and the quality of the content shows it. I've never been so proud to be a subscriber for a UA-camr. Thank you, Rusty, for being the GOAT
Yes,,,,just yes. Bird in his prime.........superior to LeBron. Skill wise & Mental. You have to admit LeBron is pretty stupid. The guy is on an 8th grade level mentally.
Curry is an all time great and of course the greatest shooter of all time but you can't forget that he has zero finals mvps which kinda puts him out of the conversation
@Wei wu wei he is in his third year hasnt been in the mvp convo ever he isnt bad but MJ averaged 37 5 and 5 as the shooting guard in his 3rd year on a worse team you probably cant name a player from that team without looking it up
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Uploaded a full version so its easier to promote as a single product, meant to do this a week ago lol. Well here it is now. Appreciate all who watch!
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Thank you Rusty
You took the easy way out of a decision at the end of the video. Research must have been insane though
@@bosslax3162 He didn't take the easy way out, he did the right thing because there ISN'T a definitive answer and its heavily opinionated
@@bosslax3162 ending like that was the plan from the beginning. the video was never intended to say who I thought the GOAT was, bc the video isn't about me. so no, I didn't take the easy way out
@@hugovazquez7533 I know, I just wanted to hear his take since he would know it best because of all the work he did.
You forgot Wilt’s most impressive stat of all:
Over 20,000 women
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10000 women??
Magic: Hold my beer
ippolit42 6 LMFAOOO woah wait wilt did pass kinda young
It was 20000
TheReasonOfficial even more impressive
The amount of hours you put into this are ridiculous and the quality of the content shows it. I've never been so proud to be a subscriber for a UA-camr. Thank you, Rusty, for being the GOAT
Bro I feel the same exact way as you🐐🐐
Same
Yeah, for real... how can ANYONE who has ever seen a basketball give this video a downvote?!?
They gotta watch their stuff. I feel like the editing could be better
@@smooth-handle shut up a small UA-cam made a 2 hour documentary at a time when he was a amateur
There are very few people on this platform with the drive to create and release an entire documentary. Not a 30-40 minute discussion piece, but a true documentary. Your channel is criminally underrated, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that the work you’re doing is appreciated in this community.
It was the 1986 PLAYOFFS when MJ dropped 63 pts vs the World champion Celtics, not 1987 as said in the video
not only that but he scored 49 the previous game and was coming off a foot injury
@@Armenian_King True...great points by the way...MJ stat line in that "86 playoff series was 43.7 ppg 6.3 rpg 5.7 apg 2.3 spg 1.3 blks and that was with double and triple teams they( the '86 Celtics won) but they couldn't stop MJ... then again back then who could.
If MJ didn't break his foot or retire for 1 year and a half and then retired for 4 or 5 years he probably would have been the All Time Leading Scorer or at least 2nd passing Karl Malone. But missing Lakers and Spurs fighting for a title every year holding my breath and gasping every play down the court. Injuries and age will not let any other dynasties happen, I don't count Warriors-Cavs rivalry bc it was kinda 1-sided
@@danielwilliams5139 Not probably, he would even have 50,000 points.
@@Mister__Jey nah that’s impossible get ur head outta his ass, he’d at most reach 40k
Cmon guys jacob underwood is clearly the goat
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Yea he’s pretty good at the basketball thing
This isn’t a documentary, it’s a legendary movie
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Crazy how Duncan was here, so underrated but damn did this man WIN AND DOMINATE. The big fundamental is a legend.
Yeah crazy how we forget the basics. Everyone wrap into kobie mj and lebron.
@@gogobrazy9333 I feel that Duncan's also a reserved individual, who doesn't want the attention of GOAT talks, not that he'd be upset about it, it's just not important to him, so long as San Antonio loves him.
@@arsonhakobyan yeah I agree, and either way everyone knows how good he is so it’s a win win for him
It’s even more crazy that both Dunkin and Kobe is on here yet shaq wasn’t included
@@str8duval Shaq reached the highest apex of the three, but I don't know about career?
Jordan didn't have Rodman on the first 3 rings.
This is the best basketball documentary I've ever seen crazy to think it was made by a UA-camr. The level of quality is unrivaled.
Just wait till u see the last dance
The last dance wasn’t as good as this I only learned a few new things from that documentary
The Last Dance is not a proper documentary, as Jordan's company was one of the producers of the project. It is a biased look at MJ's career, steers clear of his marriage/infidelity problems, and is just problematic in so many ways
@@jot2b infidelity?
Watch Clayton Crowley's 8 part series on the GOAT debate. Much better.
I love that you included Tim Duncan. He is severely underrated by a large percentage of fans.
Appreciate greatness.
I agree and im not even a spurs fan
True, by a large percentage of fans at least.
They don't even know that he was leagues better than Kobe (a player barely in the top 15 all-time btw, let alone top 10 or goat case) and the best player of the 2000s lol, nor his carries, abilities and achievements.
Dusk TheHunter facts he was the best player do the 2000s.
@@prezian1312: I definitely, disagree with what yall said. Because yes, Tim Duncan was a great Player & a champion! But Kobe Bryant owned The Spurs in the playoff, including a 18-12 record against Tim Duncan in the playoffs.
Mingled Jester Tim Duncan kind of did more though both had 5 champions same as Kobe and 3x finals mvp compared to kobe 2x finals mvp.He was also a 2x mvp and I feel like he dominated that era.Shaq also but Kobe made the bigger impact worldwide obviously as we know.Its easily between Kobe,Tim duncan,or shaq.
Appreciate Greatness!
My favorite player of all time is Tim Duncan. I don't think I will ever forget balling in tears when I watched his jersey retirement ceremony. Despite this, I am with you completely. It annoys me how fans treat there favorite players like deity's and bash anyone who says anything against their player. I see this a lot with Kobe fans, LeBron fans and MJ fans. If I say I liked Duncan's career better, I am not stabbing Kobe's career. I'll say he was a super talented player. I just like how Duncan handled himself, his willingness to sacrifice for the team, and how he just wanted to win and did not care about flashy moments. At the end of the day, basketball is a beautiful game, and these players and others helped make it what it is. :)
I agree. I am also a big Tim Duncan fan. He is my favorite player replacing Kareem Abdul Jabbar. His demeanor and simple yet powerfully effective playing is just damn near perfect. As a teammate Tim was grounded, humble, and wasn't a stat chaser like many stars who followed. Tim's turnaround bank shot was money. It was as good as the shot we take on a billiard table. I guess if I was able to play basketball as a pro Tim Duncan would be me. I consider Kareem Abdul Jabbar the GOAT because he excelled in basketball at all levels - High School, College, and the NBA. Also when the NBA has to ban the league's most dynamic and signature shot, the slam dunk, because of you, that speaks volumes. What's amazing is Kareem developed the most unstoppable shot in the history, the skyhook. No one has been able to repeat it.
Sean Swinton i agree on everything except the last sentence... the skyhook was blocksd twice by Wilt
@@QuinnClips247 Dirk should be in the goat conversation. He defeated both lebron and kobe in 2011
You know theres many players that have done it so amazing - but to me, no one is touching Michael Jordan & his legacy
Duncan was 5-1 in the finals, knocked off the three time champ lakers, 3 finals mvp's. Was a miracle Ray Allen shot from 6-0 in the finals. Not to shabby
Note that you said " to me " which was the authors point.....it's just your opinion.....we all have one , and it may be different from yours
@@MrOctober44 Duncan is one of the most overrated players of all time. Two of his finals victories are illegitimate in my view, especially against the Cavs. That was the first finals where the NBA completely abandoned the rules. It was like the cavs were playing by the rules, and the spurs weren't. Every screen Duncan set was a moving screen. Every time Parker, Ginobili, and Leonard drove to the basket, or did that handoff play around the perimeter, they traveled. I remember one play where Parker traveled, double dribbled, carried, and committed an up and down violation, in the same play, and it was a top play! This finals turned me off nba basketball. It was a farce, and one of the worst displays of basketball I've ever seen. They traveled so much that the defense would jump at the wrong time! The cavs got cheated out of that one. I can't consider that a real championship. Overrated! Two undeserved rings. He was a great, but is super overrated
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@@jasongibbs3713 lol someone is mega bitter still
Someone explain how this LEGEND has only 37K subscribers?? This is the most dedication I have ever seen out of a UA-camr. loved this documentary my G keep it up
petty easy. saying john stockton is the mst overrated player ever is flat out bullshit and i cant take this kid 100% serious since he said that
Roflcopter Ausdertiefe He just might be the most overrated player
sorry to make an arguement but john stockton is not overrated nor underrated. the definition of your all around point guard
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Hall of famer and the reason his starts arent that good is bc he played into his 40's
FLAMEHOUND When we got people calling him top 5, yeah he’s overrated
Cause he video was a little off
Took me two days two watch it but, Appreciate Greatness.
It's only 2 hours long
@@justinshoats848 not everyone wants to spend 2 hours of their day watching a youtube video buddy
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Wilt said to Jordan, "The difference between you and me is that they had to change the rules, so I couldn't dominate. They changed the rules for you so that you could dominate.“
Wilt had height in a tiny League, and they didn't change the rules so Jordan could dominate. Wilt has become Jaded
@@pixelmasque The average height in the league when Wilt played was 6' 6" and today the average is 6' 7". Not a significant difference and nobody can accurately call the league when Wilt played "tiny." That's a silly argument that uninformed people keep tossing around because they think it makes them look smart. The hand check rule was changed mostly because of Jordan and the league wanting more offense. Refs also gave Jordan favorable treatment, ignoring his fouls on defense, calling fouls with Jordan on offense if somebody farted on his leg, The refs also always gave Jordan the five steps he needed for a dunk. You sound like someone who never saw Wilt play.
hvymettle he only won 2 championships in a league of 10 teams while having 4 hof teamates, wilt is a choker imo.......
@@gaarou8231 Wilt didn't have any talent around him until he won the championship in Philly. He sacrificed his game that year to get his teammates involved and led the league in assists, the only center to ever do that. Bill Russell had much better talent around him when the Celtics were racking up all of those rings, not even arguable. Wilt played on the Lakers with Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Gail Goodrich. They won a championship. Silly comment calling Wilt a choker but you are entitled to your opinion.
hvymettle He led the league is assists as a center, in a league of 10 teams again compare that to today’s game....
Congratulations on the number of views on this 💣 ass documentary! This belongs on a platform like Netflix. Way to go Bro! 👏👍😎
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Jared Dudley is the only correct answer
wilt is the goat
It's an amazing video. Two things bothered me however.
1. I would also bring Shaq and Hakeem into the conservation.
2. When you discussed the help each player had you didn't count coach and management.
Yeah I agree I was disappointed to not see shaq
hakeem the dream!! clutch city!!
Shaq is a weaker Wilt Chamberlain with less speed and less vert. He doesn't have a case for GOAT.
@SunamiKilla Wilt was a center and the average center at the time was 6'10, Shaq actually had it easier. Shaq would sometimes get shut down by Dennis Rodman who was 100 lbs less than him. Take Dennis Rodman, add 50~60 lbs, add 6 inches of height, add some vert, and sacrifice no speed or athleticism and that is Wilt Chamberlain.
@@richardgallimore5976 add a little more than "some vert" 😁. Also add Michael Jordan level offense.
Hello uploader,
I am a 37y.o guy from Sydney City, Australia, and I'd like to commend you on your extensive, effective and overall excellently presented videos, with this particular offering being my favourite.
My favourite scene in this video is at 2:29:00 because the way you slam the book closed and nonchalantly toss it away - having directly proceeded the comprehensive analysis and breakdown of the GOAT candidates - simultaneously portrays how arduous and enduring the task was and yet also how seemingly indifferent you are to the mammoth amount of work you have done.
Good to see some humour amongst the intense and rigid nature of the presentation!
No offense but reading This was kind of odd ngl, I mean no disrespect but like you like introducing yourself like your tryna sell stuff
@@mcray0309 respect the old head
Hurtful facts(as a Kobe superfan)
MJ is the goat, Bron is the most complete player, Kobe is the best scorer, Hakeem has the best fundamentals, Curry is the best shooter, Shaq was the most dominant, Magic was the most versatile, Timmy was the most consistent big man, Chris Paul is the most consistent guard and Wilt, Wilt was the former goat until MJ took the throne.
i think a better way to explain lebron is he is the most physically gifted.Lets be clear, lebron slacks on defense alot, which is why he cant be truly called complete in my book nor can he be in the same convo of mike or kobe.Lebron puts up numbers no doubt.But alot of that is physical speed and power, not completeness or mental toughness.In fact 90 pct of the great stories you hear about mike and kobe talk of those mentally tough situations.
@@EC_IS_Here Facts. But bron was a good defender if he wants to. He doesn't have the same mindset like MJ and Kobe. Maybe he just want to prolong his career by moving less in defense
Lol. Uh, no. Jordan is HANDS DOWN the greatest scorer the league has ever seen. Bryant was a mediocre shootin' gunner that ain't even in Money's stratosphere. LeBron isn't the most complete player (but WindyCityKid put it best about him possibly being the most physically gifted) and Chris Paul _damn sure_ ain't more consistent than STOCKTON. What the hell you smokin'?
Why couldn’t I hear Larry and Kareem 😭 I heard the end parts of them
Copyrighted the audio
funny how you mention the .conspiracy' around mj's retire, but didn't mention exactly why he came back to the wiz.....
it was not for 'the love of the game' but was a request by management to get ratings and increase ticket sales, in return once mj retires he would be able to go back to his role as bball ops with ownership options.....this was the only real reason he came back to play with the wiz.
but when he retired, the owners declined him the role and ownership option, which pissed him off and the rest is history
That is true. 100% right
Mj claimed he missed the game of basketball and decided to return with a low contract expecting to return b-ball operations he also wanted to play alongside the number one draft pick he recommended to chose he pushed the first overall draft pick kwame brown to the point where he claimed he felt ashamed of himself for not living up to mj’s expectations. The wizards didn’t take him back as b-ball ops because of the way he trash talked the staff and fellow players at the time
MJ still loved the game it was just a case of 2 birds one stone. Before he was injured he averaged 25 6 5. There is no way at 38 or 39 you averaging that and playing your heart out does not equate for love of the game.
It made the regular season more interesting It didn’t hurt MJ’s legacy just like how Kobe’s last years didn’t hurt his legacy.
U really think jordan didn’t play because he loves the game of basketball? U r insane dude
Michael Jeffrey Jordan #andstill
Lebron #andnew
@@DeadPizza #Andno
@@whenisdinner2137 I respect your opinion
@@DeadPizza there is literally no way dude can be the GOAT with double the finals Ls than Ws
dinner there's more 2 being the goat than just rings but I still respect ur opinion
In the year that Wilt averaged 50.4ppg for a season (1961-62), Wilt's Warriors ended up losing to Russell's Celtics in the 1962 playoffs in 7 games by just 2 points. It said in the video that they lost in 6 games, so I am making the correction here.
He made a lot of errors about Russell lazy research
That's actually the counterargument to Russell in the top 5 convo. He has all the titles but look at home team winning percentage that decade. It was like 75% most years. The Celtics were stacked so always had the 1 seed and Wilt almost always pushed them to 7. So even though the leagues were smaller, the Celtics didn't exactly dominate teams.
So wilt lost all the time due to "inferior teammates" but he always lost game 7s to Russell.
@@reuvenroslynesq8954 The Celtics took it easy during the regular season but would hit nitrous in the playoffs and finals. Bill Russell is perfect in the playoffs. The lie that the celtics had it really easy, in particular because of less teams and the other lie that there were nothing but short caucasians, is a cope because what Bill Russell achieved is supposed to be impossible.
@@brocklanders9259 Lol "allegedly" inferior.
After all this my goat still Brian scalabrini
Over FlightReacts we all know he was the first player to score 1000 points in ONE game and won 12 mvps with 20 finals championship but of course since he played during the older times the cameras wasn’t turned on at the time since technology was limited back in his time
alex caruso and patrick mcaw, as well as bol bol are now sad
same
caruso is coming up big now!!
MAN UTD who cares? all them countries have a leg and foot fetish
Troll! 😂😂😂 lol
Great documentary. One stat line for MJ. You said he struggled when returning from injury avg ONLY 22 pts. He did that on a 15 min per game minute count while supposed to be tanking. Made playoffs anyways and 22 pts!
That there showed bad league was then add is Jordan put over isaiah when Jordan never did nothing earn it. Isaiah beat real Lakers and Boston
Where never beat Boston only beat fake lakers
@Lance Dela Cruz the league is so much more talented today. Those “good” 90’s rosters would get their heads beat in by top teams today. Don’t beleive? Which one of mikes teams beat the 17 or 18 warriors. You can pick anyone of his teams he got a ring with, and they still lose in 5 to the warriors. The 90’s era is overall af
Prime Kareem and Wilt are BETTER than prime MJ
Lmao always an excuse for a L for jordan.
@Lance Dela Cruz he still lost lol
First of all very very good video/documentary. Goatmentary it is. MJ had the least help points among them but placed 2nd in championships. Just saying.. He is the perfect mix of individual greatness as Wilt and team success as Russell.
@jason roman hahahah the 90s wast the best era of basketball full of big men and defense, now its a 3point contest with no defense at all.
@jason roman dude you do realize that all those teams had 60+ wins, a great coach, and also they had to get through the tough eastern conference every year
jason roman you cant mic drop to something that’s wrong. Jordan made more all defense team then Lebron and has a DPOY so saying all he had do was score is incorrect. Also Lebron has only been without another all in his first stint in Cleveland and 2018 in Cleveland. In those he never won anything of note except individual accolades, and those teams never beat good teams as the east was always weak. Now Lebron still was the main catalyst but they had a great system of shooters that could space the floor for Lebron, and they played good team basketball, but last time I checked he didn’t win any rings no DPOY’s and he was swept in the finals. So even if he carried he didn’t win also in 2018 he got past a injured Celtics team, a good raptors team I’ll give you that, but saying he did everything is wrong when he didn’t make an all defensive team for the past 5 years, he’s been sitting out games, and that 2018 Cavaliers team was last in defensive rating, so clearly if he was doing everything he wasn’t doing it well. So if he was carrying he never won without another all star. So what are we left with, he’s won 3 chips with 2 assists other all stars where both teams lost more in the finals then they won (I’ll give him a pass in Cleveland.) but also he’s never won 60 games in Cleveland and they were a bad defensive team. Also last time I checked Jordan always had a 60 win season and was top 3 in the league for defensive rating every season. Also stop with the bullshit about pippen. Jordan in 1987 where he didn’t have any other all star but pippen was a rookie averaging 7 ppg, and got to the ECF and was beaten by the pistons who had the far superior team, but no Jordan just couldn’t win without pippen but for Lebron when he gets to the finals and gets swept and he shoots poorly from the field and gets shut down defensively by the spurs no he doesn’t have enough help bro be consistent with your arguements.
jason roman also you see how you are trying to downplay the dominance of the bulls who won 6 chips (btw Dennis Rodman wasn’t there on the first one) that Jordan had so much help when Rusty Buckets just showed you that Jordan had less help, but also nobody other then him and Scottie averaged over 15 ppg where as Lebron had more all stars he’s played with and has a worse winning percentage than MJ though MJ has less help. Also MJ went to the ECF three times before making the finals where the pistons set up the whole defense around just stopping him, not pippen (who was averaging only like 12 ppg at the time) because and I’m quoting them that no one else on that team could beat them. Also you can penalize Jordan for having help that’s not fair no Goat player can win without help, I’m just saying that fuck the times Lebron carried, but I care about the times he actually won, and as far as I can see when he was actually in a contending position he had more help, and less rings to show for it MIC 🎤 DROP
jason roman wow so my nigga can’t read no wonder you think brons the goat
I'm on the LeBron side and with the amount of hate LeBron gets, the fact that the question gets debated on endlessly over and over again from now until forever actually is a HUGE case for LeBron. No other great guard/wing player has come this close to Jordan's GOAT stature to the point where people start a royal rumble in barber shops over it. As a life long LeBron fan, that's all I can ask for. I was only 9 years old when LeBron was drafted so I literally grew from a single digit year old child into me turning 30 in 3 months with him still being a major force in the league. I was calling LeBron the greatest of all time on the school bus back in like 2006 lol. I knew what I was seeing! Back then, people just laughed at that opinion. Now they get mad lol. It's real now and they don't want it to be.
I had the privilege of seeing all these players in real time.
Beautiful
You are very lucky
In your opinion who do you think was the best out of all
@@spencerfrancis8349 lebron
@@boytoy7846 stop
this is art.
Surely this is an unbiased documentary and l have no problems with any of the selections you made. l love how this documentary shows the flaws and strengths of each of these greats. lt is good to know that each of these players is great in their own way, but their flaws also make them natural, rather than the superhumans some like to make certain players out to be.
This is my fourth time watching this documentary on legends in the NBA. It is so well done and through. I wish Hakeem and Shaq were included however. Great work Rusty Buckets!!!!
Best and most thorough GOAT video I’ve seen on UA-cam. I hated Jordan for his whole career, and, as a Lakers fan, I wish I could say Jabbar, Magic or Kobe was the best, but, alas, Jordan is the GOAT.
Why you hated Michael Jordan if he was in the Eastern Conference his whole career and thus didn't prevent the Lakers from making the NBA Finals and the Lakers only made the NBA Finals once in his prime.
Pill Box I hated Jordan too, but for a different reason. The shine he took off of Scottie Pippen’s achievements, to put himself on that GOAT Pedestal. Pippen if you look at his achievements is a 85% LeBron James, just like Kobe is a 85% Micheal Jordan.
Jordan has a career 48% win-rate WITHOUT Scottie Pippen, he had 0 of 5 winning seasons, and was 1-10 in the playoffs overall without him(the east was top-heavy, like now, so sub-500 teams made the playoffs in those 3 seasons) .
Jordan also lost a critical playoff game 7 in 1995 when Pippen was out with a Disability, BUT the blame still gets put on Pippen for missing the game , and not Jordan for not being able to win without Pippen by his side.
Jordan is only the GOAT, when he had Pippen by his side. Then his career win rate goes up to 68% when they are together, and 6-5 for winning their conference.
Together, the Jordan-Pippin Bulls were THE GREATEST DUO OF ALL TIME.
Doctor Cthulhu what series are you talkin about? If it’s the 95 ecf pippen played every game and that only went 6 .That was MJs return year. What game 7 are you talking about?
@@cjwrench07 The shine he took away? Jordan was the one who made Pippen who he was. And you act like as soon as Scottie showed up and made a huge difference to Jordan winning when in fact he was a bench player and only averaged 7 ppg. Last I checked it's a TEAM game to win, Jordan is THE GOAT for how truly great he was, but even he can't win and do it all himself so Scottie was his Robin.
@@cjwrench07 Pippen is not LBJ 85% pippen was a great 2nd option but there is no way he was a HOF if he was not on the bulls. Jordan Pushed him to who he was he was also guarding MJ in oractice which made him very good. Pippen scored 0 pts in game 7 of 1990 ECF throwing the game away he was not an allstar in 1991 as well. Lmao.
After watched this i concluded jordan is the 🐐
My didn’t change Mj still the goat
Jordan and Kobe are the goat. Hey LeFlop out of this convo!!
to make it fair Mj is the goat for now as soon as lebraun gets another ring lebraun is the goat
@@martinezjourney6759 no... Maybe 2 more and even that can help him
@@martinezjourney6759 lololol.. the thing is, this discussion was ended the first time Lebron lost in the finals. The guy can get 4 more rings still won't matter.
Lebron: I am the greatest because I made it to ten finals.
Russell: laughs in winning more than ten finals
How many teams were in the league back then? And how talented were the players?
@@12savage68 did you not watch the video
Lebron brought 3 championships to 3 different teams. Beat that.
@@mariocajas1130 how about winning 11 on the same team and not crying like a bitch cause you don’t like playing on the Same team as your stepdad
@@benscott6359 dang bruh what did lebron do to you? ..,😂
Appreciate Greatness
GOAT LIST:
1. Kareem
2. MJ
3. Wilt
4. Kobe
5. Magic
For a starting lineup I'd pick:
1. Magic,
2. MJ,
3. Bird,
4. Duncan,
5. Shaq
If Magic doesn't get HIV, he's easily top 3 all time but we have to judge by what happened and not what ifs
Wilt could be #1 all time but doesn't have enough rings to get him past Kareem and MJ
Kobe is top 5 because people always say 'he is the closest to MJ' which means he's top 5 if most people have MJ as the goat right?
It is hard to include folks who played in the Jim Crow era but they are great no doubt(Jerry west, bill Russell etc)
In conclusion, AS ALWAYS, Michael Jeffrey Air Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time, of course
Lebron is but mj was your childhood hero lebron was mine so i can't give you the reason why cause it wouldn't change your perspective
SickWxhy you shouldn’t look at it like that. Just think with some logic and you will understand MJ is just on an other level than everyone else.
@@laccin that's like saying a Honda civic is better than a ferrari cause I grew up watching my dad drive a ferrari and you grew up watching yours driving a Honda civic.
Corrado Scire exactly thats your opinion
@@laccin yeah but you cant base your opinion on nostalgia you ahve to abe it on facts and the facts shoe mj is better more dominant and had a better career in shorter time that newborn has and he hasnet even been able to math it in 4 more seasons than what mj had
I've been a fan of Lebron ever since 2003, and for years I personally believed Lebron was the G.O.A.T.
But as I started to play, watch and learn about the game it becomes more and more clear to me that M.J is and will remain the G.O.A.T, at least for another couple of decades.
Out of everyone, Lebron and Kareem probably have the strongest argument against MJ in that they sustained their peak for such a long time to set mind blowing numbers/records.
If your category for defining G.O.A.T is longevity and sustained greatness then I'd put Lebron, Kobe and Kareem all above MJ, but none of the 3 greats quite reached the peak that MJ has reached.
MJ's prime/peak is just a tad better than anyone and everyone who has played whether it is in advanced metric, basic numbers and more importantly just pure eye test.
Though I think it is pointless to discuss who the best player is out of the players that played in different eras, I think if you look closely enough the evidences will show who the greatest is.
Kareem has the weakest argument to goat Hakeem and even shaq have better cases
daniel kim respect
Kareem? Naahhhh... A guy name MAGIC JOHNSON DERAILED THAT ARGUMENT FOR JABBAR...
WHILE james? ... Plssssssss stop. Just STOP. 🙄😬
@James Robert no I just don't value Kareem dominating a weak era in the 70s and his Lakers titles that highly because of all the help he had while being a second option for the majority of them
@James Robert I'm saying that later on magic Johnson was depended on to lead the team
There is only one GOAT!
You are the GOAT for making this documentary, I have so much respect for you and for the hours you put on this, it was just amazing!
As you said the GOAT label is very subjective and is also generational and local, I'm sure a 70 year old person living in Boston would probably say Bill is the Goat for instance, anyway really good job I enjoyed it!
I agree with this comment 100%.
Respect for the time, dedication, and the final product. This is ESPN level quality. I hope you’re making some money from this, even if it is a passion project.
My GOATs
1: MJ
2. Bron
3. Reem
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Wilt
7. Larry
8. Mamba
9. Shaq
10. Timmy
Two letters, “M” and “J”
That's not how you spell LeBron James
John Wick if you actually think LeBron is the goat, you are stupid
Bjets67 while I agree mj is the goat, don’t resort to logical fallacies to try and win your argument. It’s pathetic
LBJ is the goat coz he says so, MJ is the goat because the majority says so. that's the difference.
@@metalsadman I think you're correct about more people thinking mj is better but I think mj was more of a brand than lbj he was put into a team of Scottie pippen who was one of the best players in the NBA and Dennis rodman who was one of the best defenders in the NBA aswell as one of the best coaches all time LeBron was drafted to the Cavs who after he left were the worst team in the league then the heat days where he had some talent around him although not the level of talent Jordans team had and LeBron shone and arguably the most talented team he has been on was the Cavs in their finals win against the 73-9 Warriors in that team Kyrie who was a star but has since negatively affected any team he's been on and Kevin love who was on the decline with this team he managed to beat the warriors who had Kevin Durant an all time great scorer Stephen Curry the best player in the league behind LeBron Draymond green one of the best defensive players in the league if not all time and Klay Thomson one of the best shooters of all time and iguodala who is a decent player and Steve Kerr who is an all time great coach not to mention LeBron had lue as a coach who very much was below average not to mention lebron was getting older at this time for any player to be able to over come those odds is insane Jordan was very much a incredible player but he did get alot of help and his teams performance is arguably worse than LeBron's teams performances LeBron has less rings but he also has never lost in the first round and the amount of times he has made finals considering the teams he was on and if you look at win rates before and after LeBron left his team the bulls lost 2% more games the cavs went from a top 8 team to a bottom 2 team twice and excluding the season where bron was injured the Lakers went from one of the worst teams to one of the best he is the most talented player I mean just look at his basketball iq and his athleticism aswell as this strength he can play any position on the floor proven by him playing pg he is efficient from three from mid range and from in the paint there is nothing LeBron can't do on the floor
Hakeem Olajuwon deserves to be here
I'm just about to watch but any list lacking Hakeem is automatically at a disadvantage
Hakeem definitely deserves to be mentioned among the greatest ever. He was simply awesome on both ends of the court!
@@juanurbina3697 Obviously Hakeem is one of the top 5 greatest centers
hitek9wittafulclip Look at curry mannn
@hitek9wittafulclip Nowhere near? I respect your opinion but did you see that man (Hakeem) play in his prime? He was dominant offensively as well as defensively. He won just about every award/accolade possible throughout his career. Hall of fame centers such as Shaquille O'Neal, Patrick Ewing, David Robinson, Dikembe Mutombo, and Alonzo Mourning can attest to Olajuwon's greatness.
2× NBA champion (1994, 1995)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1994, 1995)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1994)
12× NBA All-Star (1985-1990, 1992-1997)
6× All-NBA First Team (1987-1989, 1993, 1994, 1997)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996)
3× All-NBA Third Team (1991, 1995, 1999)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1993, 1994)
5× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1994)
4× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1985, 1991, 1996, 1997)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
2× NBA rebounding leader (1989, 1990)
3× NBA blocks leader (1990, 1991, 1993)
NBA's 50th Anniversary All-Time Team
NBA Career Stats
Points: 26,946 (21.8 ppg)
Rebounds: 13,747 (11.1 rpg)
Blocks: 3,830 (3.1 bpg)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakeem_Olajuwon
www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html
The hours you spent and dedication to create such a great G.O.A.T.mentary video. Salute to you. This is much appreciated and you deserve more subscribers and more views. Rusty is the 🐐
Wonderful video! Bill Russell was not 1st team (11) times, he was 1st team (3) times, 2nd team (8) times. During Chamberlain's career, Russell was 1st team (2) times to Chamberlain's (7). So Bill had the rings, Wilt had the individual accolades.
U can argue that bill is the best defender ever.
I go back and forth on them so much. I go with Russell because I don't believe that Wilt would have won as many titles with the supporting cast. He'd be favored every year but IDK if he'd win all of them.
@jay are fully understood, i wish it were like that today. Lebron would have had his MVPs still yet. Kobe would have had more than 1. Jordan might have had 10. Don't know if Duncan or Garnett get theirs if you let the players vote.
Alot of great players but in my personal opinion Michael Jordan is the G.O.A.T. 🐐
He is, for now. 😏
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@@jimb0072 lebron will never catch MJ...his leqacy has been tarnished by his win loss record in finals competition and his performance in the finals vs Mavericks..he will however be second to MJ having the second least of help
@@vivianbutler5851 mj had a team with ron harper,dennis rodman,and pippen with phil coaching that's a super team then had the best European player and Australian player on his team.
@@stevencowart-ud7ds Yes all good players..but roster to roster Ill take Dwade over Pippen, Bosh over Grant, Harper wins the matchup against Chalmers, Ray Allen beats out Tony Kukov, Rodman is one dimensional but probably beats out Miami's best defender ..and Phil beats out Spo..but Spo has Pat Riley in his ear..whom combined I'll take over Phil..so I'd say its pretty close..but Lebron had slightly more help than Jordan
how in the hell I watched all of that without feeling that it's a freaking 2 hours & a half video
Hakeem criminally undervalued
Yes he and Shaq should have been on here but I still enjoyed this documentary.
Clarissa Westbrook agreed
Hakeem was clearly the BEST player after Jordan went on his 2 year hiatus. That 94-95 Championship was special because my Houston Rockets were the first lower seed to win it all against 3 teams that won 60+games and 1 team that won almost 60 games. They were the 6th seed when they won their second title.
@@clarissawestbrook2203 no. Shaq let 21 year old kobe be his closer while he?was in his prime
In my opinion Bill Russell and Micheal Jordan should make up half of everyone's all time NBA players Mt Rushmore without question. However I also think Kobe Bryant should take up one of those spots the last one should be reserved for another 10 years at least, but I can understand it if someone doesn't put Kobe Bryant up there and has two other people in his place.
Nice!!! Kobe is my GOAT but Jordan is the real Goat
lebron is my goat but the real goat is wilt
@H8 Red Kareem is better then Wilt imo
Kareem Wilt and Kobe are all better than MJ
@H8 Red thanks appreciate your kind words and the sentiments towards the Mamba. He took tougher shots and played in an era where at his position it was much tougher than MJ
@H8 Red well said not much to add to that. I'd put Mullen there and Dumars as well but after that not much. Dumars was early on in his career also. After the Bad Boys fell off he kinda did too. If you seriously like this exchange and don't care what the Jordan dick rydin zombies think check out the YT page Universe Galaxy and check out the other channel he has when you get there!
NO HAKEEM OLAJUWON, WHAT A CRIME
Lebron the goat? GTFOH i'm still laughing MJ the goat .period.
I dont even have dude top 10
6ft 2hunnid LeBron ain’t the goat but he is top ten
@@jacobhillis4676 to you. Not to me. Not top 10. 3 n 6
ambrose lake he has a case tho don’t get it twisted so does Kobe wilt and Kareem
@@jaydenlee6573 what case? Lol explain. He never won a ring without a superteam
1 MJ
2 Bird
3 Chamberlain
4 Oscar Robertson
5 Kareem
6 bill russell
7 Shaq
8 Kobe
9 Duncan
10 lebron
So Mj won the most in the modern era with the least amount help and retired twice. Plus being second only to Wilt in individual accomplishments. Is there even a question?
Ljr klaw, least amount of help? Are you daft? Scottie and the Worm would smack you...
Thank you Curly. The myth that Jordan carried a bunch of scrubs to 6 titles is ludicrous. In 93 the Bulls won 57 games, in 94 with Jordan playing baseball, those bums plummeted all the way to 55 wins. The first few years, yeah, but after 87 when Pip, Ho Grant and Phil Jackson came on board, MJ had help and a ton of it.
Curly Que you’re crazy. Kukoc joined the Bulls the first year MJ retired
The bulls benches were ass....yall don't know hoop....joe Kline, jus buchler, James Edwards, will pursue, Stacey king etc... the only help was from the greatest shooter of all time Craig Hodges(go look at the 3pnt contest curry nor Thompson or anybody else still ain't caught him and they get a whole rack of money balls), y'all got a lot to learn fam. Stop making bullshit comments!
Winnie Tsui the 94 bulls were a much different team than 93 dude🤦♂️ they had all the main guys from 93 and added kukoc Kerr wennington longley .. team was loaded!
The time you put into this... wow! Though I had to cringe when hearing the era MJ played in brought into question. Glad you included Bird in the discussion as he certainly belongs. And I think his case is stronger than you put on.
I think it's MJ and Kareem has the best argument of everyone else.
Magic, Bird, and Duncan were great, great players and if you were doing top 10 all time they're all worth considerations but neither I think is in anyones consideration for the GOAT, this argument has always been about the fab 5 MJ., Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain or Lebron
In my opinion MJ is the goat but he did player in one of the lesser talented eras. Not because there wasn't enough talent but bcuz it was only one of those dudes per team. Ewing, Hakeem, Drexler, Robinson, Barkley, Reggie, Grant Hill had no second star. There were literally only a handful of teams who did. And even if they did they were not as good as Pippen. Mourning had Tim hardaway. Shaq had Penny who was only really good for like 2 in a half seasons and the same thing for gary payton and shawn kemp. The only other most consistent duo was Stockton and Malone but by the time they started making it out of the west the bulls had a third star in Rodman so yeah. Also how else can you explain having the least amount of help points but also going 6 and 6 in the finals.
I think that can only be explained by lack of competition
In my opinion lebron is the goat
because back then you were not able to double team and lebron carried the cavs to the finals with no one on his team
Just Beast you were allowed to double team, you just couldn’t run zone defense
lebron just won his th title , but i must say, MJ will always be the GOAT, no disrespect to lebron, but MJ is just that once in a lifetime all around athlete and champion that we will never see play again.
Lebron is way more all around better than Jordan like fr Mj better shooter
to be fair, mj probably had more dominant teammates
@@denischa9863 lol did not see lebron had more help points in this video ?
Mj never passed the ball to anyone🤣 no disrespect but he was tat type of player whereas Lebron gets his teammates involved whether if it's season playoff or finals. Mj former teammate was asked whom he would want to play with MJ or LBJ n he replied LBJ stating the fact tat again MJ never passed the ball. Where the people in tat room laughed when hearing tat answer, not an all round player just stating the facts bout all round
@@samanirsanglir9731 jordan was an underrated passer and averaged a shit ton of assists when he played PG lmao. Also, Jordan averaged 11 assists in the ‘91 finals second only to magic. Its just that Phil Jackson developed a system to emphasize jordan taking more of a scoring role rather than a playmaking role or overall doing everything.
No dispute it is MJ, he had no weakness in his game. Michael Jordan made basketball popular world wide .
Every kid wanted to be like Jordan
GOAT Individual Player: Wilt
GOAT Team Player: LeBron
GOAT Overall: Jordan
no its only 1 goat thats jordan the end!
kuzuboshii bill russell gets team player, LePussy is currys bitch
Why are y all so aggressive?? Chill he is right even though i am an mj fan
The best team player is Tim Duncan and it's not even close
@Baffi AlButano it’s between him and bill Russell
Idc bro kobe is the goat 🐐💯
True
You can make something else like this? This is so well made and u can tell all thought in it. It was just so great and I want more like this
i’ve played, coached and watched b ball for over 50 years. Anyone who thinks MJ isn’t the greatest simply never saw him play. I don’t care one iota about highlight clips. they’re irrelevant except to point out clutch moments. Michael would go entire games without doing anything spectacular, that’s not what wins games. He would relentlessly score on mid range shots, in transition, or at the rim in the half court and find teammates when they were open. He was unstoppable and never let off the intensity, he played every game and every
minute. He was the ultimate irresistible force that broke the opponent, as he did it on both ends of the floor. As one of the greatest defenders of all time, his opponents never had a moment to rest, mentally or physically. His competitiveness, confidence and leadership were also unparalleled. He was more of a Patton type of leader, not warm and fuzzy, but his teammates were forced to achieve a higher level and care more about winning than they ever had; the alternative was far too unpleasant. You never see any of that in highlights, only his spectacular aerial displays with some of his iconic clutch plays ( which is legit) sprinkled in. Entertaining, but completely fails to capture why he was the greatest player, not just the greatest athlete. His true greatness, if you watched him live, was that you KNEW he was going to win, you knew it. He took control of the outcome and there was never any doubt. Barry Bonds at the plate his last few years was the only athlete I ever saw where you knew the outcome was a foregone conclusion. MJ never even went to a single game 7 in the playoffs. Traditional stats showing 35/ game in the playoff on over 50% shooting, near record steals, etc are illustrative, but look at advanced stats, they show just how much more dominant he was than anyone else.
Jordan the G.O.A.T i just from watching his intro
Lebron is but we all got different opinions just saying lebron carried the cavs to the finals without having Kevin love or anyone at all
Subjective
@@busterboy23 bruh u cant say ya lebron is and then say we all have different opinions
Say it with chest
Bitch jordan is the greatest of all time if u dont think so ur dumb
Cmon
How’re you dumb if you don’t think Jordan is the GOAT..? If anything, you’re the dumb one, I mean c’mon. We all know Brian Scalabrine is the GOAT, man.
@@violentabrahamlincoln1395 Jordan is great but he can't even win ROTY 3 times in a row like Brian
Honestly when I think about it Tim Duncan is the 3rd best player of all time. He had some of the toughest competition ever. The Lakers with Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe. The big 3 Heat. He had go against KG and Drik. Who both played in the west. With a that competition he won 5 championships.
No, he is very accomplished player and he was great. However he was never the best player in the NBA.
@@1D4ever well said However he is the best PF ever can't take that away!!
But honestly to me it goes Mj lebron then Kobe, ill pick them 3 players before anybody in history idc game on the line them my go 2 guys period..And Kareem was great 2 but ill take Shaq anyday.
Tim duncan is one of the best ever. He didnt need to be explosive. He just dominated and won. He played basketball how it is meant to be played. Being flashy doesn't mean your great
@@1D4ever 1999, 2003, 2005 say otherwise
Appreciate greatness.
MJ:)
But they're all great.
@Danny Green Is A BRICK lebron 3-6
Danny Green Is A BRICK Jordan 6-0. End of discussion.
Winning titles with just one all star on his team. LeBron losing with 2 all stars on his team.
LeBrons stat pads, gets swept twice in the finals.
Come back and talk to me when LeBron has 5 rings
@Danny Green Is A BRICK @Danny Green Is A BRICK wtf why is lebron always locked onto Jordan’s discussion，why not compare him to Kareem lol，these recency bias kids are idiotic lol
Appreciate greatness....... Hands down greatest documentary I've ever seen on the greatest players in the NBA. So yes you earned my subscription. Great job!
My friend thinks that the top 3 greatest of all time are, 1. Lebron, 2. Kobe, 3. Shaq. It hurts my head
He’s tripping
woah!! jordan definitely at 2 and kobe at 3 shaq is like 8 or 9
@@sashamukusha9082 2????????( just 2???
@@supremegoesviral9922 you cant place jordan any lower hes that good
@@sashamukusha9082 I think he meant he should be number one
I actually watched this whole video, 10/10, this was like watching a movie, thanks for the effort on it, it’s appreciate by NBA fans everywhere #appreciategreatness
There is only MJ at the top
Kobe n wilt is behind em
No it is Lebron
6ft 2hunnid kobe is not even top 5
@@laccin he is.
@@kenny7209 lmao top 10 but not 5
Wilt Chamberlain is the only center to lead the NBA in assists one year.
Awesome fact! As Johnny Carson would say, I did not know that! LOL! 😀
Great points and including Duncan was awesome. My personal list is as follows
Jordan
Kareem
Russell/wilt
Magic/bird
Kobe
Lebron
Hakeem/shaq
Duncan/big O
Yes kobes better than lebron
Good list I rescpt
Kareem.jordan.james.magic.russel.bird.kobe
@@3102rv lebrons not top 5. Maybe top 10. Kobes top 5. Ask mj. Ohhhh we did
6ft 2hunnid hell na
Jordan is the GOAT, but Kobe Bean Bryant will forever be my favorite player!
@Tyrese Haliburton is better than Lamelo Ball i do not know you but your name is correct. ROTY
Facts R.I.p Black mamba
That's the same way i feel man 💯
It's funny how the excuse for Jordan winning is everyone got old- really they draft happens every year. Jordan played when the east was the dominant conference. So Jordan didn't have that beast to go against because he was the beast. That's call total domination of a career.
Wait the same could said 4 lebron in the east
@@DeadPizza No, beco the east sucked. He is 3-6 in the finals really shows you how a lot of times he did not deserve going in the finals. LBJ lost to an aging mavs and Spurs team. MJ was winning at 35 yrs old. LBJ has the most help wade is top 5 irving is top 10 bosh and love was top 15 before joining LBJ with a bunch of rewlly good starters and role players. Now he has Top 5 player in the league in davis and a bunch of exceptional role pplayers Davis is top 1 big man by the way too much help to go 3-6. Bot a goat.
@@deciphertwentythree7726 stfu u mj worshipper.
@@deciphertwentythree7726 bulls won 55 games without mj made the ecsf, replaced him with Pete Myers and only won 2 less games, without mj and u want to talk about lebron had too much help?
@@JahleelX-xx9wd Pretty sure the 1994 season was they added Toni Kukoc lmao. Are you dumb? Also they still have their system while on the other hand LBJ is the fucking system on the teams he plays the coach has to accomodate his play style and build around him with spot shooters etc. for example. MJ was coachable and a good off ball player while LBJ is not even close when he leaves his team they collapse because the team is built around him.
Imagine if Kareem was taking steroids like lebron.
If all things are being considered Kareem is the greatest of all time
Hes definitely the greatest center...
He won at every level, had longevity, stats, personal accolades he has a complete resume with nearly zero blemishes
What’s the sad piano/violin music playing in the magic Johnson part please I been looking for it for years
This is just for notification purposes.
I wouldn't know it, but you can use the app called Shazam. If you play the video on a laptop and hold your phone next to it while using the app, it will say which song it is. Hopefully this will help : )
Ivo Molenaar I tried, it wont recognize anything cuz I can’t get a clear part without him talking so it never works :(
@@VarsitySniper Check the description
I watched each of these as they came out, and just watched them all again in their entirety. This is the best video I've seen on this platform and one of the top 5 documentaries I've ever seen on any. Well done!
the most impressive GOAT analysis of all time!
The goat of goat analysis, one would say.
Although it is good, alex caruso isn't in it. Alex caruso has 1 west conference final. MJ has none. Alex caruso the goat😤💯💪
LEGEND has it BIRD and JORDAN are still trick shooting to this very day!!!
😆😂🤣
Appreciate greatness! MJ got the least help and still won lol
Yeah right
Wesburbs actually when Pippen & Grant came on board the team got better because these two were able to help Jordan & he didn't feel like he was doing everything.
Look at the competition just think about all I could tell you who they played against the bulls I mean the blazer,Utah,Phoenix,in the 80's they were out in the first or second round not because I say look at rosters in the 80's Utah,blazers and so on I'm out I think Jordan is great but is not one on one.
@news bad Pippen was great player but MJ's only great player, Magic had Kareem, Worthy, Wilkes all HOF, Bird had McHale, Parish, Archibald, Walton, HOF mers Lebron had Wade, and now has AD future HOFers, Kobe had Shaq, Russel had Havilcek, Cousy, the Jones boys..all HOFmers Wilt had Baylor, West , Goodrich all HOFers
@@rafaelmolinar959 Those we're not weak teams Utah had a big 3 in Stockton, Malone and Hornacek, Pheonix had a big 3 also Charles Barkely, Kevin Johnson and Dan" The Man" Marle, Seattle had Payton and Kemp, Portland had Drexler, Porter, and Duckworth in their primes Pheonix and Utah's rosters we're actually better than teh Bulls...overall...man for man except for Scottie and MJ..but no question about it MJ was the X factor
Jordan>Kobe>Lebron in that order. Kobe realistically is the only player that deserve the Jordan comparison
This has to stop. Kobe is not even in the GOAT conversation. The guy in the video complains about the shaq carrying kobe narrative, but then talks about how Shaq carried Kobe in the three-peat. Shaq won the regular season mvp and all three finals mvps putting up ridiculous stats. When were the rest of the goats in question anything less than the best player on their team? The rest of the candidates earned multiple regular season mvps Kobe has one. Kobe has 2 finals mvp's to go with his 5 rings. Which IMO negates the 5 ring argument in the GOAT conversation. Kobe is undoubtedly one of the best to ever do it. I'd say top 20 pretty easy, but just below GOAT tier with the likes of Hakeem, Curry, etc. It is honestly a shame Kobe is up here and not Shaq.
William Wainaina don’t ever talk Basketball ever again, you should be ashamed of yourself. Kobe easily top 5 ever! For you to say top 20 ever let’s me know you’re lack of knowledge of the game. With Kobe having 33k, 7k, 6k total stats, 15 all defensive teams( 9 first team) 11 all-nba first team ( tied for the most) 5 rings is easily top 5 material. Shaq only has one mvp as well but we all know kobe and Shaq deserved more mvps.
@@williamwainaina6198 so you can only be in the goat convo if you were like Jordan?
@@williamwainaina6198 i was with you all the way until you tried to put steph curry in the same tier as hakeem olajuwon. hakeem is consensus top 10, curry is definitely not.
@@lekzintshering7666 no. You can only be in the goat convoe with a?winning finals record
MJ is my GOAT
Wilt Chamberlain is my GOAT!
Ron Bonora Overrated
@@tristangreene2888 no both Wilt and MJ were great! They both were not overrated! LOL...Wilt only holds 72 NBA records to this day. MJ holds 9. Wilt won twice and MJ 6. On a ring perspective Bill Russell won 11 times! non of these men are overrated!
We need to change GOAT to GOTT. From 'greatest of all time' which is a flawed argument, to 'greatest of their time' which is more logical and fair way of looking at players in completely different eras playing against completely different competition, rules, etc.
This
Great video, I would like to point out a two things though:
1) Bill Russell and Wilt definitely are a part of this conversation. However, for at least half-2/3 of their careers, the NBA only had between 8-12 teams with a vastly different Playoff format. Winning 11 Championships when Boston has an automatic first round bye, then needs to win a Best of 5 followed by a Best of 7 in the championship is way easier than the grueling modern era regular season/playoffs we have today. The season was also shorter with only 72 games in a regular season as opposed to 82 today. There is a good chance with more teams and more games, Bill's body would not have sustained the excellency he had in his career.
2) Your "Help Modifier" was an interesting metric, however I feel what would have been more fair was to have the metric be measured as a per season number. Kobe had multiple years of help from Shaq and Magic had the majority of his career with Kareem. However, both of those are measured the same way as LeBron's 4 season with Miami, the last of which was clear Wade was not the same player as he once was.
Overall, great video and it was a fun watch. Props to the production quality given the size of your channel. Hope you continue to grow this! Maybe remake the video in another 3-4 years since I very well believe Steph Curry who basically changed the modern NBA game will eventually be part of this list as well.
I can't respect team hopping and colluding
According to your logic a players entire career is basically decided upon which team you are drafted in. Most of the small market teams aren't able to provide the right assets to compete for a championship unlike the lakers for example
Lebrons soft... Jordan's the goat. Bird could shoot tho. Lebron isnt even best player on his team how can he be the goat
No one cares what u respect u don’t know shit
@@davejames4570 ok durant
Imagine being on bills team for his whole career racking up rings getting carried
His teammates didn’t get carried he had 4 hofers they weren’t just random nobodies
@@bignonce7790 they dont look up history they just talk
Hey, leave Larry Siegfried alone.
@@bignonce7790 the rings were a large part of them getting into the HOF
@@bignonce7790 yeah 4 HOFERs. There are 12 players on an nba team. Some of them definitely got carried to rings
Jalen rose injures kobe
Kobe:I took that personal
There is no G.O.A.T. There are players that are great in their own way, in their own era and should be appreciated and respected as such.
Michael Jordan comes out of retirement at age 58 and joins the Hornets...
Reporter: "Why Mike?"
MJ: "I don't even know who Tuffa Dan is, but when I read his comment, I took it personal...."
@@darrenharris3434 this made me die 😂😂 LMAOOO
Nope it's Mike you're just a lebum fan trying to be creative
There is a G.O.A.T.
It is what it is...
@@mickeymouse8797 lol the fact that this dude showed no reason or sign of being a lebron fan means he lives in your sad head rent free you bozo 🤡
1)Jordan 2)Kareem 3)Lebron 4)Magic 5)Bird 6)Bill 7)Wilt 8)Kobe 9)Duncan
I don't have a list, but Shaq > Kobe and Wilt > Kareem, so, no.
şeytanın avukatı wilts overrated
watched the video, still learned nothing
@@gandydancer637 shaq isnt better than kobe. He said that out of his own mouth
@@DominiqueWilliams-ue3rx As it happens, the 50th Thinking Basketball podcast player.fm/series/thinking-basketball/ep-50-top-scorers-in-nba-history-revisited , which I just listened to, addresses this exact point at some length. His conclusion, like mine, is that Shaq >> Kobe, and that's only referencing scoring, nvm rebounding, etc. He's got the numbers to back it up, too.
Tim Duncan nearly had a perfect career. If he won that six championship he would be my top 3 best player of all time.
5 wasn't good enough but #6 would've been
yeah nearly perfect except for the fact that he never won back to back and he had many seasons where he lost as a favorite and several seasons where he lost in the first round.
@@raferalstonisgoat4457 well I mean he also never missed the playoffs so its inevitable that he loses in the first round from time to time
Kareem missed the playoffs
Jordan did with the wizards
Lebron has as well
@@NM-gr7cs Bron has in his rookie season and his first year with the Lakers. Both times he had subpar talent. He also has spent over 50% of his career in the Finals.
Jordan was 40 and was playing with subpar talent with the Wizards.
Wins don't matter cuase if it did it would be russell as the goat
Whenever arguments are told this or basketball discuss this way and when I finally move pass on who I think is goat or what player I think is better than the next I fully started to really appreciate basketball and the nba and it’s history. Look at how many great players we got and get to witness and we are not close to being done by a long shot.
This video is biased towards Lebron. He said Dwight Howard was an all star for Kobe but he didn't play as such as a Laker and Steve Nash was hurt but failed to name Shaq, Zo, Gary Payton, and Ray Allen as HOF'ers for Lebron.
Dog... I made it clear how this worked. Dwight was an All-Star when he played on the lakers. thats just how it is. Shaq and ray where well out of their primes, and would never be categorized as a hall of famer. I assure you this video is not biased towards LeBron lmao
@@rustybuckets Biased towards Lebron and Tim Duncan both.
Lmao
Bill Russell’s montage almost made me fall asleep 😭
Says less about the segment then it says about you I'm afraid 🤣
Yoooo if you ever have problems sleeping just youtube some old shittt and its a wrap its history class all over again 🤗
Bill Russell was more about defense than flashy offense
Because you only enjoy watching guards breaking ankles and shooting step back threes from 32 feet
Hakeem should have been there over bill russell. BR is overrated and need a 6 all star team to win against wilt as his only competor, until walt frazier and willis reed came along
I APPRECIATE JORDAN'S GREATNESS 💯💯💯💯💯
I don't....my goat owned him.
@@pickzkickz who
@@pickzkickz who
Lebron James shouldn’t be on there
I love every player here but damn, mj man hes the goat
Nobody compares to Wilt Chamberlain.
mark merzweiler u r dumby
@@markmerzweiler909 Wilt is like fairy tale stuff, Jordan is pure evidence. The few games I saw Wilt play against his competition actually makes me think even less of him.
@@Wis_Dom Wilt was simply the greatest athlete who ever lived. Could play 48 minutes out of 48 minutes...holds records no one will touch, had unbelievable strength and speed . . . Jordan doesn't come close. As Wilt once said to him...the NBA changed the rules to help you dominate the game...they changed the rules to stop me.
@@Wis_Dom LOL....chose any season at the age of 35 he was bringing down 18 boards a game...nobody does that today. He was such a force the NBA widened the lane and changed the rules of what constituted goal tending. Tell me, what did the NBA do to hamper Jordan....NOTHING - because he wasn't near the player Wilt was. BTW, 1962- averaged 50 pts a game and 25 rebounds. But hey, just an average player.
The amount of hours you put into this are ridiculous and the quality of the content shows it. I've never been so proud to be a subscriber for a UA-camr. Thank you, Rusty, for being the GOAT
Lol, what wrong with you man? This is a carbon copy of the other comment, you gotta be trolling.
The quality of this comment is suspect lol
Larry Bird in his prime....was far better than LeBron any year in his career. PERIOD
No just no
delusional lmfao
Yes,,,,just yes. Bird in his prime.........superior to LeBron. Skill wise & Mental. You have to admit LeBron is pretty stupid. The guy is on an 8th grade level mentally.
@@youwereprettylasttimeisawy1227 Yes, absolutely yes.
Imagine MJ leaving Chicago in his prime to team up with his competition and coming back after three #1 picks 🤯🤯
Steph should be in here imo. Could make a good case. He’s gonna end with more ring than bronnie James senior just you wait and see!
Curry is an all time great and of course the greatest shooter of all time but you can't forget that he has zero finals mvps which kinda puts him out of the conversation
@@gutentag2235 wait I thought he won 2015 Finals MVP
Edit. Nope for some dumb reason Iggy robbed him of it
Curry bullshit all time great but not in the goat conversation
@@vokenfinnesin9197 guarding lebron not that dumb of a reason
@@gutentag2235 ok
Appreciate greatness. Amazing work Rusty!
It may be too early, but even as someone that doesn’t follow Luka Doncic, I thought about him way too much watching this documentary
if he keeps playing like that and gettin better he definitely can be the goat. dude is so young and he is doing crazy stuff
@@031nathan he hasnt done much in the playoffs so it's too early to tell
@Wei wu wei he is in his third year hasnt been in the mvp convo ever he isnt bad but MJ averaged 37 5 and 5 as the shooting guard in his 3rd year on a worse team you probably cant name a player from that team without looking it up
@@031nathanhe is just a modern day harden