They Could Not Fix It, Restored Honda Z50. Can We?
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2023
- this 1974 honda z50 monkey bike was restored but never got it running, I bought it as is while picking up another machine. this failure was a 1st for me, such an odd problem.
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The oldest 6-year-old I've ever seen. Having more fun than any person can have
Circus Bear😜🤪
My Sunday is always better when Mustie1 has a new video. I can dream of being so good, but I can learn from him. Thank you!
Minge....
Minge.
He's definitely the tallest 6 year old
I often wonder if the people who get rid of these machines don’t then watch the Mustie videos, and don’t kick themselves for fixing this stuff themselves. I wold suspect that Mustie subscribers would at least give the repair a shot, having watched and hopefully learned Mustie’s thought processes (and creativity!!)
Most folk don't even own basic hand tools these days. Much less have patience or aptitude to tear into a carburetor.
I think it could go either way. If the problem stumped the previous owner for a long time, they may be happy just to see it running and driving. But yeah, there has to be some sour grapes sometimes. LOL
@@gearheadgregwi True, I never needed any tools till I was 29 when I did not have my own bike, car or even a house. Then I got married and got my own place in a year, followed by a scooter and a car shortly. Then I saw how much repairs cost on all these things.
I had seen my father working on one or the other thing every weekend back at hometown. Every time I see mustie's video, I remember my old man tinkering with something. He had only a highschool education and only basic science knowledge, but he could repair a bunch of house appliances like a CRT TV, a radio, a mixer-grinder. He also maintained the couple of bikes he owned throughout his life.
Now I'm proud to say that I'm following in his footsteps and maintaining a bunch of things in house as well as the family scooter. And besides scratching the itch to fix things, I have saved a bunch of money.
Mustie is a master mechanic, most people can't even change their oil!
Also for some people checking the oil and tire pressure is a terrible chore. For others rebuilding a carburetor and making an old engine run is great fun and satisfying.
As an 8yo in the mid-1970s my first motorcycle was a Z50. My old man and I found it abandoned (probably stolen, beaten to death and left for dead) and buried under a bunch of brush while out looking for worms for a day fishing. He threw it in the trunk of the Mercury, threw some tools at me and said "have fun." I learned so much from that little bike and still have fond memories: I ride a 2017 Tuono Factory these days but when I see a vid or pics of a little Z50 I'm transported back in time to 1975, puttering around followed by a cloud of blue smoke lol.
Cool dad
Ditto for me, but I bought a blue one in the ‘70s for $40 (my entire savings), what a great time I had on that thing👍
Wish I had such an experience with my father.
I especially like the part where he "threw some tools at you" and told you to "have fun".
Isn't the Z50 supposed to be a 4-stroke, so no blue smoke?
I purchases one in 1969 when I was 12 years old with money I earned mowing lawns and shoveling snow. I love it and still have so many fond memories of riding it all day long. As a side note, Honda recommended using Premium gas. The Sunoco down the road had 110 octane for 17 cents/gal.
Happy Easter everyone, Happy Easter Mustie1! I think this bike is cool. Always remember Mustie1 makes it better. Good as used, and safety 3rd. Expect as always sparks, gas, and maybe some Smoke! Sunday is made for Mustie1. Thanks Mustie1 for always giving it all on all the motors!
The bushings for the gas tank made from hose was so satisfying. Love it when stuff works out so well like that.
Sorry not a fan of the decals. Green and blue are not mixable for me.😢 I did yell at you to stop but you couldn’t hear me. 😊
@@kenwolf1056 pretty sure its supposed to be a yellow, but it looks more like highlighter/safety vest yellow rather than the schoolbus yellow of the original tank.
Alway have loved Darren’s little laugh when things go as planned . We all feel like little kids with him .
Exactly!
Its true
I love when you take us to go through your,"stash" such a treasure trove of "stuff ' and a reminder to not throw anything away!!, cause you never know when you're going to need it!
My wife doesn't understand all of my 'junk' and labels me a 'hoarder'. She just can't understand that this is the unrefined resource required by makers and tinkerers.
@@jeffcard3623 remind her of the money you save by keeping all that stuff to use on projects that you would otherwise have to buy. And tell her you're not hoarding. You just appreciate the quality of the things that were made back in the day 👍
@@craigbowley6783 Men are from Mars and woman are from Venus: she would never understand no matter what anybody said.
Mustie's garage is epic. Maybe I missed it, but have you just done a tour of the grounds, Mustie? It would be interesting to see the whole shebang. It might take days to film it though.
@@jeffcard3623 you're only a hoarder if you turn down a reasonable offer on some of your junk.
I wanted one of these as a kid. When I saved enough from my paper route I decided to build my own custom mini bike instead. In hindsight I should have bought this mini bike because the value has gone up by a factor of 100.
In 1973 my dad took me to a Honda shop to buy me a little 50 like this one . I remember the price tag was $250 dollars ,and I was overjoyed till my mom walked in to see where we were and said not a chance in hell and to avoid a scene we left . Oh how heart broken I was . Seeing this is a trip down memory lane .P.S when I got older you better believe I own multiple toys like this now only much bigger now .
Great video, brought me back to my childhood! When I turned 8 in 1973 my parents got me a Z50. I had so much fun riding in the forrest and our small village, of cause against German laws! I still have the bike, still running, just I got a bit to heavy for it. Thanks for the memories!!!
That was my first bike! My Dad brought it back from overseas when he was in the Navy. His ship had just been in the evacuation of Saigon, and I got to fly out to Hawaii and sail back to Alameda with him on a Tiger cruise. I still remember when he opened the door to the storage space he had it tied down in on the ship, one of the happiest moments of my life. Mine was red and gave me a lot of joy for years!
Hey Mustie,
Considering that you aren't practiced at applying decals , I think you did an EXCELLENT job with the gas tank decals !!!! They look great !!! I really enjoy watching you work on these machines and admire your knowledge and fine instincts as well as you taking the time to explain the details and nuances of what you are doing and why you are doing it , moment to moment. You are one very talented guy !!! Thanks for making these videos for us to enjoy !!!
---Mark
My friend down the street had a roached out mini trail 50 back in the mid-80s. It was the first motorcycle I had ever ridden…I was probably about 8 years old. It didn’t run or shift worth a damn, but we didn’t care! I don’t think enough kids today get to experience this kind of stuff. It’s too bad. Thanks for the smiles!
When I was 10 my next door neighbor had one of these. Would have to have been a '70 model. But it was my first experience on a minibike. Just restored a SL125 from 1973. I'm amazed at how pricey they've become.
I had a 1970 starting in'75. Beat the snot out of it. They still had front-only shocks with the rear just solid. I let the rear sprocket bolts get loose and they stripped out the hub. The points cover didn't have that round access cover, it was all one piece, so of course it broke after a jump. I didn't know what JIS screwdrivers were and everything had those screws holding things on, so they all got stripped heads after a while. They had a key switch - it was on the left side of the frame under the front of the tank. It took me all over the place when I was in grade school and I was lucky to have grown up where I had some room to ride it. Best $100 ever!
Great video very fun to watch. I got a new one for Christmas back in 1969 they were call Honda Mini Trail 50s at that time it was awesome when I was 10 years old. The next year I got a 1970 Honda CL 100 it was even more awesome. Now I drive a 1975 Honda CB 750. Damn I think I dated myself oh well the Honda 50s have started many of young folks on the way to riding motorcycles. Thanks for showing and Happy Easter!
Hey Mustie,
The best way to do the decals is to make up a mixture of a couple of drops of dishwashing soap and water in a spray bottle. wet the side of the tank you want to lay the graphic on with the mixture. Peel the backing paper off and lay the vinyl graphic over the water mix. this will allow you to move it around without it sticking. then use a squeegee to push the water out starting at the center. As you do this it will let the graphic stick. Any bubbles you get can be removed with a straight pin piercing the bubble slightly. Let the area dry over about a day and it will be solid as a rock.
I was going to say the same thing. I just put new decals on a 250 Big Red. I sprayed it with Windex, laid the decal over the Windex and squeegeed the Windex out. No air bubbles or wrinkles.
My Dad bought us kids a 65 Z50 in 1970 and us kids loved that thing. It's still at my moms and still runs. They were built like tanks.
Maybe a typo…the first z50 was introduced in 1968.
I remember going full tilt across a field on that exact same bike when I was just a lad and hitting a gopher hole. When I came to, my buddy was standing above me saying hey man are you alive. Good times lol
Decals. Usually, it is helpful to have an aerosol spray bottle of dish soap solution and spray a light coat on the surface first. Then remove the backing and apply the sticky side. That allows you to position it, then use a small squeegee to press it on and push the solution out from underneath.
Windex can also be used.
These have a centrifuge oil filter built into the clutch. The clutch needs to come apart and cleaned. This causes the clutch to stick and not disengage while kicking it over and makes them hard to start. You get that skipping feeling when you kick it.
I thought the rear springs didn't come until 1976.. at least in my part of the world. I had a 1977 and I loved it. We had weight restrictions of 55kg to get it registered as a moped, so our model had plastic fenders, small 2,5 liter tank and a rubber head light. Only 1.7 hp.
Mustie1, Nice purchase and excellent diagnosis of the air and the clogged jet! I know from my experience that when we ride the old bikes, it’s just like we were that age again (in our mind) while we are riding! Makes me feel great!
I had one of them when I was a kid.Watching this brings back some awesome memories.Thanks for the video.
I grew up with one of these. Such a great little bike to learn on! Thanks for the memories mate.
30+ years ago I ran across a Red '73 AK3 "Mini- Trail" at a yard sale. They were moving out of state and needed to get rid of it. He had bought it new in San Jose to haul around in their class A motorhome, using it to run to pick up the paper, milk etc. I think he said it probably had maybe 40 miles on it. Anyway, as I recall we settled on $400.00 and I brought it home. I ride it almost daily as we have 37 miles of private roads, so no worry about being street legal. Several times I've been offered big money for it as it's bone stock, origional, and never been down. I think it'll be with me 'till I die (I'm almost 80) as it's so much fun. The only thing I've replaced are many sets of tires, and the seat as the origional vinyl finally began to crack. Mine has "Honda" written across the back in silver. Anyway I had my wife follow me in her car and as near as we could determine top speed was 27 mph. It always starts on the 1st kick and idles so quietly and smooth you can't tell it's running from 20 ft. Anyway most fun I've had for $400 bucks!
Enjoyed the heck out of the video, keep up the good work!
Thanks Mustie. Very cool collection and I believe I’ve seen just about all of the videos. Thanks for what you do. Your sharing has definitely built a confidence in me around repairs and maintenance.
This was a really good one. Amazing to find that tiny problem. Loved reliving the collection at the end. Nice touch. Thank you.
Next decal you do just spray on windex and apply the sticker right over the wetness. Apply sticker then squeegee out the windex. Windex is mostly alcohol. You can move the sticker around before before you squeegee.
That little 50 brings back memories from my childhood. I was a little hell raiser in the neighborhood.
Mustie you are an inspiration to all of us hobby mechanics. I have learned a lot of inns and outs from you . Thanks for making these videos and I look forward to see what you find and fix next . Keep on keeping on !
Hi Mustie, had a Honda CD 50 moped, a metallic red small motorcycle style late '70s model lol, had TT handlebars, specially made, due to a slit in the right to fit the throttle mechanism.
Had one horsepower only so slow uphill, but really fast downhill with tires correctly inflated. Handling of a CD50 is rock solid. Sadly I sold it after two seasons - for more than I paid for it. A legendary engine, also available as a 90 ccm. Have fun with your Honda! (got my motorcycle licence on a Honda 400 Four, a fantastic bike. Had four lessons, passed).
Nice video as always Darren👍I hade two of these when I grow up, one 1974 and one 1976. The 74 was the same blue as yours, and the 76 was white. Here in Sweden Honda called it Z50 Monkey Bike.
They was awesome to ride, and I loved them❤
Happy Easter!
The highlight of my day was watching you ride off! So fun! Always a pleasure to join you in the garage. You have taught me so much and have kept my yard machines running + some used ones I have picked up.
Hey Musty a problem with those Honda carbs was the mixture needle and bore would become worn. A new needle would make a marginal difference. I worked on an 80cc for days and finally went to the local bike shop. The mechanic said without the needle bore is worn out and that was not repairable. On this carb it was a pressed in part with no service part available. I didn't own the bike so a new carb was not purchased 😐. The diagnosis made sense as mid throttle operation was absolutely junk.
First thing I do with 50cc projects is buy a $40 China replacement carb.
Loving it, I think I will place this one high on my list of favorites. Great as usual !
This was my first bike in the mid 70's when I was a little kid. 56 years old now and still riding. I think Mustie can fix anything, but a broken heart!
Thanks for the movie every week! Many of us look forward to these so thanks again.
Brother thank you for sharing yourself and your collection, those a beautiful babies you have. I remember them when I was younger
Pro tip…. As a motorcycle mechanic, the air/fuel mix should be 1 1/2 turns out as a rule to start with. Adjust as needed for high and low rpm acceleration. When you make adjustments give it time to run so you can check results properly.
He knows that and most of the time counts it. As you can see he was letting it run at first but it had an intake leak messing it up
@@98wytebird yeah, few understand carburetors better than Mustie.
Pro tip to a grandmaster 😂
Great little bikes..I've got a 72 fully restored
Sir I’m 65 years retired and love watching your videos I have a 2005suzuki edgier great running four wheeler I watch you to get punters on how to fix things thank you for all the pointers you have and can give me to fix things
My brother and I had 2 in the 70's, One blue with white accents and one with red with white accents. Both were used when we got them. Not sure about the blue one but the red one was a 1971. The blue one broke not sure chain or sprocket. It never got fixed but that red one , I rode it till the back tire was a slick. I would get in trouble for using all the lawn mower gas. The neighbors had a Honda 50 also and a Yamaha 75. We would ride the younger brother on the 50 in front the other brother on the 75 in the middle and me in the rear . That how we would "race" . All I remember is the hours of fun we had on those bikes. My parents sold both of them at a yard sale I think they got 25$ for both. Yep 25$ ! End of story right. Nope. Years later while at work, the bosses son comes into the shop with a trailer full of junk and scrap metal. On the back of the trailer was my red Honda. I told him that's my mini bike, no way he said, no worries it doesn't run its junk. I walked over checked the tank , had a small amount in it. I took it off the trailer opened the petcock put on half choke 2 kicks and it was running. Rode down the parking lot turned around and rode past him wide open in 3rd gear. I should of never of started it. He wouldn't sell it to me. I never saw the bike again. Sorry for the ramble.
Happy Easter!! He has risen .
ok. For decals. Spray a ton of water on both the tank and decal. This will allow you to move it around. Once you have it where you like it. Let it dry. Done. :)
Make it soapy water, it will work better.
Good tip, I have to put decals on trucks all the time and this is exactly how I do it, soapy water in a spray bottle
Best soap to use is Dove liquid soap, not much and plastic squeeze. Get the air bubbles out.
@@Rom3_29 Actually I do have a tiny tiny bit of Dawn in my shop water. Tiny bit as even dry it is a lube.
this video really took me back to my childhood, I had a 50 and my dad had 2 of the tl250. I can remember going to some trials events when they were actually in the woods and seeing some amazing riding on the 250s. I enjoy watching all of your videos and really feel like I'm right beside you wrenching with ya. Keep up the great work my friend!
You fixed and really tested it!!!! A gem!
nice to see an update on the bikes
always wondered which ones you sold and which ones you kept
first m/c I ever rode was this one.
It was my buddies, his dad and the bike and two small boys heading out in an MGB to a farm to race around a cow paddock, great time !!
Amazing find and content..great addition to collection. Appreciate you sharing your day with us 😊🛠️🔧🛻🛵
This channel is great. I learn something new every time I watch it.
For applying decals I pull the back off drag it through a pan of warm water with one squirt of Dawn in it. Then you can put it wherever you want and eventually the dawn dries off and voila! Stuck!🎉
I had a company van at a graphics shop for decals, they also used soapy water to slide them around for a perfect fit.
Afternoon from the UK
Happy Easter
Had a 69 z50 as a kid.. id wheelie all the way up the street feet on the pegs.. did my paper route on it. One day broke the shift fork inside the case and it took forever to get the parts from honda.. like 6 months but i got it going again.. you've got a great collection. Thanks for sharing
@mustie1 I have learned a lot from your videos and advice. You speak to the camera like we are there with you, and we learn.
I have repaired our own small engines that otherwise would be trash.
Thank you!
Happy Easter everyone.
Next time you're in a sticker dilemma, just squirt the panel down with water, that will allow you to position the sticker without it sticking. When the water dries, the adhesive will take over and it will look perfect! Cheers brother!!!
I was looking for this comment. I hate doing it that way as it seems so counter intuitive to wet the surface, but it works!
So resist the urge to compulsively dry everything and spray some water on the surface first. I know people who even say you should have some soap in the water, but I have never been able to overcome my clean obsession with decals to test that...
Use windex.
It activates the glue and allwoys you time to position the decal and dries off quickly as you use a plastic bondo spreader to work out the bubbles.
Been doing that for decades on large decales and vinyl art work on Arcade and other games professionally.
@@pinwizz69 yes ! thank you, there is also plastic squeegees that have a felt edge that protects the vinyl from scratches or tears
My nephew had this bike (the yellow one) same year. I bought it for my step son in 1990, he was 10 and would drive it till it got hot hot it would quit, he would let it cool down for 1/2 hour and do it all over again. The throttle cable is broken so hasn't been run in nearly 30 years but is still in my shed. It's on my to do list to get er going again. Great video!!
Iam so happy that you have a channel to watch you because I learn soooo much from you! Thank you 😊
Great an hour+ long Easter video. Happy Easter everyone :D
You fixed the ST90 Monkey bike a few months ago, and now the Z50 monkey. It really looks great too, thanks to sellers fixing so much already :)
Afternoon mate
Great fun bike. Nice smooth Honda engine. Lovely wrenching and improvise with what youve got. Always great watching these motorcycle videos, they're my favourite ones.
It sure didn't start off living up to the Honda legend. I was sitting here thinking, runs like a Honda, NOT!
I absolutely love watching these bikes be saved. Very cool.
Laying decals, you can use water with a half a drop of dish washer liquid ikn a sray bottle. spay the tank or under the decal. that will will let you pull it up and move it around, once it is down you can push the water out from under it and it takes the air bubbles with it... after application a hair dryer will help remove wrinkles and shrink it to the shape.. good job for your second time.. heheheh
are you kidding ?
The decal that you have is different than the one that's on the original pack and anyway look at the gap between the bottom of the word Honda and the stripe👍👍👍😁
My step brother came for the summer to my home he had one we road all over the place two up on it I was 13 he was 15. I saved all my money from paper route and got a Honda 70 street that was 50 years ago. Thanks for your time and memories.
My buddy had the Honda 50 when we were kids. Half the neighborhood boys took turns trying to beat the lap record in the field. Thanks for the fond memories.
Your tank grommet worked well. I noticed in the "parts box" that came with it there was a pair of rubber grommets that I thought were for wire protection but they also look like they would fit the tank slots as well. Wonder if they were actually the tank grommets?
I thought the same about those grommets.
I remember seeing that also, was hoping he would look over his pile of parts that came with the bike again, but it seemed like the house within the house to hold the tank in place worked real
I'm almost positive that the air breather for the carb is the brass tube sticking up from the bottom of the float bowl. That is also the overflow if the needle gets stuck open. That tube bypasses the bowl drain screw as well. 👍🏻
For Christmas 1968 my neighbors 3 miles away (farm country) got a PAIR of Honda 50 Mini Trails. I had a Rupp Roadster. There was no doubt which was the better bikes. We rode around in pastures a lot, and when mine broke down they would tow me to the machine shed shop. In 1970 I bought a new SL100 Honda and owned Hondas until 1993 when I quit motorcycles and never got on one again. But we sure had a lot of fun riding those Mini Trails.
I had a Z50 as a kid. Regretted selling it. I now have a 1964 Honda sportscub 54cc. Hasn’t run in decades so thought I might get some hints here while reminiscing.
Sunday morning coffe/Musti1 fix...HAPPY EASTER VEERYBODY
That was my very first motorbike, I rode it in the grass fields before I was in kindegarden
Mine too!
@@seanote1906 mine too!
My buddy had a Briggs & Stratton minibike with the tiny wheels smaller than this one.
We had thick woods around our house so we crashed through the branches and made trails and got LOTS of cuts and bruises and poison ivy.
One of the first two bikes(the other was a CT90) I put back together in the mid 70's; both were late 60's, and total basket cases. I got them both running, but to play with, not "restore". The compression on the 50 was so low, the only way to get it going was pushing it in gear, but it ran that way for over a dozen years-couldn't kill it. Fun times, and fun watching Mustie go through troubleshooting these critters...
My very first bike. Can't actually remember the year, but it was red, and the motor was all but bullet proof. I learned how to change the oil (1 Qt.) and spark plug. I also learned how to use a blowtorch to straighten the handle bars when I would occasionally put the bike on it's side. Next bike for me, the CR80.
I think the fuel line is too long for an effective gravity feed!
Why are you yelling lol happy Easter
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Nice little machine, had when I was 11,you brought back memories Thx
When I was 15, before internet, I had one of the later ones with full manual gears. The previous owner had drilled the carb and intake bigger to ”make more power”, everything was messed up, parts missing and so on. I didn’t know that much more either but I got it running a way better. I just wish UA-cam would have been around in the 90s but what’s the fun in that? 😂 I miss those days, just riding aimlessly until something broke down again. Then fix it and repeat. 😂
Spray bottle with three drops of dawn dish soap. Spray tank, put decal on tank and squeegee out till smooth the soap allows movement of decal so you can get all wrinkles and bubbles out. Then just use hair dryer to get remaining bubbles out. I’ve done that for years, works great.
I loved this one.
What a great day I'm having. First 2vintage with a beautiful cb350/4 then Darren with this incredible wee machine.
Great watching.
Way Kool Z50 Bike!!! You are a WILD & CRAZY Guy, on anything 2 wheels, 4 wheels or no wheels. Always the best videos.
I had a blue one as well , man what fond memories !!!!!! My Dad refurbished it when I went on a class trip, upon my arrival , one kick and it would purrrr like a kitten.
Darren you looked like you were having do much fun after you got it running. Can't believe that someone got rid of it. I'll say it again 99.5 % you get these running. Just enjoy your videos and how you explain things like we are there with you.
You did an amazing job getting life back into that fun bike. It looks amazing!
The fact you can start it with your hand says how good you have fixed it
Used to ride one of these as a kid. My uncle had one with the indicators. We had a blast. Always loved the look of these little bikes. Super cool Mustie, super cool.
What a score! Great job on getting that Honda Z50 up and running again.
That’s a cool bike… 88 kit, heavy duty fork, springs, and adult shocks…. Lots of fun, not overpowered, but has the power it should’ve had to begin with, big difference. Lol!!!! my 79 Z50 R is a blast.
Yes Darren, I saws youse go to the wrong side to lower the carburettor settings old age is catching up to you my fellow oldster LOL. Lovely Honda lovely video a beautiful buy Darren and a cracker fix. Thank you for sharing your excellent videos once again, I do miss the old house garage though, the dogs 🐕, the wife and son. Happiness to mum and dad also hope they are enjoying the warm weather out there. Again thank you for an excellent fix it video, I have a Yamaha XV750 Virago with the same problem, all I got to do now is struggle up out of my lethargy and go try fixing it. Thank you for the encouragement to do so. Last thought, excellent job applying the decals, a brilliant job well done.
My dad bought me a Honda SL 70 trailbike when I was 8 years old. I wish I could find one and restore it. I even put a kiss sticker on the tank LoL, I had so much fun with it. :)
The Z50 seemed like the perfect camping transport, campsite to general store, campsite to fishing spots.
You know it's gonna be a good day when a Mustie1 episode pops up in your morning feed.
It's strange if he doesn't tear down a carb.
He certainly didn't disappoint us today.
When you go to apply a decal spray some windex on the surface of what it's going to be put on.
Then put it on squeezing bubbles of air out with a plastic bondo spreader.
They come in a packet of 3 at home depot.
I've installed hundreds of decals and vinyl overlats that way for decades.
Carburetors are so much fun, they remind of the Lego Technics of my childhood. I love spending a rainy afternoon tearing them down and rebuilding them.
Glad I’m not the only grown man that is absolutely in love with mini bikes 😂 Something about them that never gets old !
Found you after a quick comment from robot cantina and gradually working my way through you catalogue history 😁 now subbed and loving the content so far. Anything with a small engine makes great viewing 😊 thanks
Great Video! My brother and I had a Honda 50. It was yellow. So much fun!
I really love how you have a stash of parts that you may be able to use.👍👍
Z50’s were special. Love that model. The blue and yellow ones look so good
Thanks for the shop time Mustie1! Happy Easter to you and your Mrs.