Exactly...... If I going to spend the money (I already did) Im going Orion. Just got Skar to check out. If it sucks it was only like $125... I want Skar and Orion to team up. Orion Shop and you can buy Skar and pay to have them install it. I could sell it all day long. Orion costs this much but if you can do it yourself like you say you can then check out Skar...
I just got off the phone with Skar just yesturday talking about this very topic. The guy on the phone said that the founders used to be and now still are friends (got over the fallout I guess) The reason why its the same is because they both use the best materials and designs. Its like using rubber for a tire and the design being round. Its just the best overall material and design. They bnoth use the same material, design and some or most use the same manufacture.
If your familiar with sq(sound quality) then u can definitely tell a huge difference between the two companies. I ran with 4 vxf 15s and they sounded good. Was happy with the price and proformance. After a year I switched to 2 sundown x v2 15s and was blown away 😳. The 2 sundown's crushed the 4 skar vxf 15 all the way around the board. Needless to say when it comes to subs I'm sundown 4 life now.💯🤟
@@keithmagnifico4164 I still can't believe and won't.....it's already hard to match twice the surface area, even with a lot of power..... I think it can be matched, and can exceed a bit, but no 2 subwoofers are crushing 4 subwoofers of same cone area when 4 are not jokes, and vxf are inferior to sundown xv2 by quite a bit, but not to an extent this guy is portraying.... He is exaggerating his experience and that we don't know about their cabinets being used, nor do we know if he is even telling the truth at all !
kevin of skar use to be a dealer for sundown. he then decided to make a house brand and asked jacob to oem a sub which is the ddx. thats why the ddx and sa was so similar then
@@AudioAddict. agreed except my x18 v3 just blew on half volume on 6k split to two of them the other ones fine so I’m hoping I can get a new one on the 2yr warranty I just got it a month n a half ago they absolutely smack tho I have a video on my channel of when they were both playing
I’ve owned two sets of star vxfs and I’ll say that it isn’t just the name, I feel like that’s why they hide some of the sub stats. They are so good that they don’t give secrets
@@samdudevery7695 look at sundown zv5 they just copy sundown the maker of skar was a sundown employee uses there parts and sells them cheaper n takes competition some models are there own but all the good ones are sundown knockoffs only thing not the same is dust cap spacer and coil which I think are just the older sundown coils
Kevin was never a Sundown employee. His 1800 Woofers company shared warehouse space with Jacob and Jacob initially licensed designs to Kevin. Kevin then decided to steal the SA design, which Jacob discovered and promptly threw all of the SKAR stuff out of the warehouse.
I bought a scar zvx 15 from a guy few years back and he said it was a sundown recone but it has a sundown basket and a similar motor I just can't find any thing to compare it to. Love the thing anyway. Have it wired up to 2 ohms on 1200 watts~ Gonna wire it back down to .5 tonight it didn't make much difference for sq but definitely noticed a massive draw rate reduction. I can't justify leaving it that way. I'll just turn it down if I want to hear the music more clearly!
I’ve been told the skar vxf is a budget sql woofer that bangs and sounds good at the same time? How much of that is true ? Does it have quiet mechanical movement ect ? With the vxf in mind what sundown woofer is comparable to the vxf, and if not better than it ?
I use to have Sundown x15v2 subs , sold that setup and few years ago and now I have the zvxv2 15s and they are a lil louder ,they don't play as low but I play down to 25 with no issues and they are Taking a Crescendo bassclef 8k with no problem at 1 ohm. I will say Sundown makes great subs no doubt but I'm louder now then I was on the X subs and the X got stinky a lot on the 8k and the zvx quit stinking after about 2 weeks of beating the shit out them. I never got the X subs to not stunk and get hot as shit playing them. Both boxes are built to sub specs and both box where tuned to 32 hertz. Sundown could sale more subs if they didn't cost a shit ton when you can get other subs that are just as good for a fraction of the price. I use to be that Sundown nutt hugger but not any more.
@@berto371rr If you where a sundown nutt hugger then you know he can't lower the price. Also you did something wrong with the Xs because I've seen 2 on 10k in person and never once got stinky or hot.
@@BenaresDarkness I've only been doing this shit for over 25 years. Pretty sure I didn't do anything wrong install wise,, It could have just been from the music. I have a USB drive I listen to my zvx with so I know what hertz I'm playing didn't have that with the X subs and I played a lot of low tuned songs no telling what hertz some of them where could have been the problem. Who knows I like these zvx though beat hard af
Skar definitely tried to rip off the entire look! But the quality isn't there. Skar only uses parts from Sundown original stuff and has them crafted in the same factories. If you liked a lot of Sundown's stuff from 10 years ago, that's what Skar's equipment is. Sundown continues to innovate and try to make things better! Often designing their own alternations to aid in improving their lineup! Skar isn't horrible though... Businesses always mimic business! Sundown should take it as a compliment that a man could become their rival with their own shit and make millions doing it!
If I going to spend the money (I already did) Im going Orion. Just got Skar to check out. If it sucks it was only like $125... I want Skar and Orion to team up. Orion Shop and you can buy Skar and pay to have them install it. I could sell it all day long. Orion costs this much but if you can do it yourself like you say you can then check out Skar...
Skar has good (very good) budget subwoofers. They just fucked up their reputation. And another problem with skar is the customer support. The subs are nice.
@Ian Willmott people wish skars are 90% or the time entry level car audio people that think blown subs were because the amp was so good are that the song did it not knowing a think about there electrical now people like me that know there stuff can make a skar sound damn near as good as a sundown but it still won’t sound the same playing them lows n mids
@Ian Willmott skar has those too claiming there skars are louder when there basically a cheap version of sundown it’s back and forth hate so you can’t blame it on one side
I would go sundown if I was trying to build for competition but if ur jus trying to show off ur ride and system Skar is a better buy for the price. I can buy 4 15 zvx which can push 10000 watts (2500x4) for $1400( subs only) but 1 sundown zv6s is $1100 I'm not rich so I look at this I can buy 4 Skar zvx 15 that can push 10000 watts or buy 1 sundown zv6 that I can't afford to push cuz the amp are hella expensive. Like I said if u want a system for competition go sundown but if it just trying to have hometown bragging then Skar won't let u down.
@@daniellucero4687yep sundown does that to make you think that your getting more than you payed for. That’s why their more pricy. But the truth is you could get a sub that can still take more actual power and sound just a good or better for cheaper. Take fi hd vs the X.
i have the 13.5 w7 and x12 rev1. the jl can be in a small box and bump, the x12 doesnt sound good in a small box. when you put them in a spec or bigger box the jl has more excursion but the x12 is louder. jl uses copper voice coils which is good for sq but its heavy which is not good for spl and handling high wattage, 1500w is their max. x12 uses cca voice coils which is great handling high amount of wattage its also lighter than copper so it has better spl, the sq to my ears is the same as the w7. jl uses odd ohm loads, the w7 from 8-12 inch uses a single 3ohm voice coil and the 13.5 is a dual 1.5ohm voice coil. sundown is the typical dual 2 or 4 ohms. one thing i found strange is the baskets, the w7 feels cheap. it looks very thin and fragile compare to how beefy the sundown basket looked
I have a zvx v2 15 in my van and my friend has a sundown u 15 and I'm way louder I love sundown but I must say skar is pretty much the same for cheaper
Skar vs Sundown is about as stupid as Ford vs Chevy. Buy what u can afford and what fits what u trying to do. One doesn't have to be better than the other.
I guess you'd never consider running soundqubed hdx3 for 270$ for basically an x series sub. Or get the hdx4 for the price of an x series with 500 extra rms. May have brought over some tips but through my own research i can tell hes not copying well if hes trying to. Especially now.
All of them are getting made in China with a few different specs. He wouldn’t be going with sundown if they didn’t give him a free sub. It’s funny, he bought skates but going with sundown now. Family owned has nothing to do with customer service. The subs are basically identical. The teacher can be beat. They get old and cocky. You think sundown is better but you paid for skar subs and got a free sundown that you haven’t even played. 🤔
@@expired3725 buy it used. i dont buy my stuff new. if the product is known for quality then theres no reason it will break on you. i bought a w7 and x12 for less than $300
There still just copying sundown I hate skar because of that and got myself two x18 v3’s and my whole car flexes scored a 147.22 with my roof flexing 2.5 inches up and down also rip to my rear view mirror it fell off giving a demo
The price difference is the biggest selling point for me! They are unbelievably high performing subs and the price just can’t be touched.
Exactly...... If I going to spend the money (I already did) Im going Orion. Just got Skar to check out. If it sucks it was only like $125... I want Skar and Orion to team up. Orion Shop and you can buy Skar and pay to have them install it. I could sell it all day long. Orion costs this much but if you can do it yourself like you say you can then check out Skar...
I am watching a lot of videos on comparisons. Ur video has been the most informative and persuasive. Thank u
I appreciate it
Next compare Sundown Audio vs American bass
I love skar I’m running 2 Evl 12 with a deaf bonce atom 5.5k inside the trunk of a Lexus gs300. People compliment me all day long
Good video. Been. Kicking around the idea of skar vs sundown
I just got off the phone with Skar just yesturday talking about this very topic. The guy on the phone said that the founders used to be and now still are friends (got over the fallout I guess) The reason why its the same is because they both use the best materials and designs. Its like using rubber for a tire and the design being round. Its just the best overall material and design. They bnoth use the same material, design and some or most use the same manufacture.
If your familiar with sq(sound quality) then u can definitely tell a huge difference between the two companies. I ran with 4 vxf 15s and they sounded good. Was happy with the price and proformance. After a year I switched to 2 sundown x v2 15s and was blown away 😳. The 2 sundown's crushed the 4 skar vxf 15 all the way around the board. Needless to say when it comes to subs I'm sundown 4 life now.💯🤟
People will talk bad about Sundown and I never figured out why. I absolutely loved my X15 and my sa15. Amazing company.
Sounds a bit skeptical.....
To absolutely crush 4 15s by 2 15s.....
@@girirajdhyani4661 It happens.
@@keithmagnifico4164 I still can't believe and won't.....it's already hard to match twice the surface area, even with a lot of power.....
I think it can be matched, and can exceed a bit, but no 2 subwoofers are crushing 4 subwoofers of same cone area when 4 are not jokes, and vxf are inferior to sundown xv2 by quite a bit, but not to an extent this guy is portraying....
He is exaggerating his experience and that we don't know about their cabinets being used, nor do we know if he is even telling the truth at all !
@@girirajdhyani4661 Sometimes the enclosures be the true culprit to this happening.
Do the Sundown xv2's have similar sound quality like the vfx's?
Similar, yes.
kevin of skar use to be a dealer for sundown. he then decided to make a house brand and asked jacob to oem a sub which is the ddx. thats why the ddx and sa was so similar then
No the vvx Jacob design when Jacob found out about the ddx he was extremely pissed at Kevin because it looked very similar to the sa.
@@BenaresDarkness in sundown after dark podcast jacob himself said he oem the ddx and ivx for kevin. its on episode sundown vs skar
@@rowboyto156 I know I've watched it twice from start to finish.
@@rowboyto156 On that video go to 26:19 Jacob says vvx v1 series not ddx put on headphones or earbuds.
@@BenaresDarkness yeah i thought heard ddx lol. i never even heard of the vvx line till now
I choose the one that saves me money💡I can't see myself paying more for a name😂👍
You ain't paying for a name.
Your paying for quality, don’t go with the shitty skar.
@@AudioAddict. agreed except my x18 v3 just blew on half volume on 6k split to two of them the other ones fine so I’m hoping I can get a new one on the 2yr warranty I just got it a month n a half ago they absolutely smack tho I have a video on my channel of when they were both playing
I’ve owned two sets of star vxfs and I’ll say that it isn’t just the name, I feel like that’s why they hide some of the sub stats. They are so good that they don’t give secrets
@@samdudevery7695 look at sundown zv5 they just copy sundown the maker of skar was a sundown employee uses there parts and sells them cheaper n takes competition some models are there own but all the good ones are sundown knockoffs only thing not the same is dust cap spacer and coil which I think are just the older sundown coils
Kevin was never a Sundown employee. His 1800 Woofers company shared warehouse space with Jacob and Jacob initially licensed designs to Kevin. Kevin then decided to steal the SA design, which Jacob discovered and promptly threw all of the SKAR stuff out of the warehouse.
False
@@bassheadfoster8376 Nah, it's accurate. Jacob has told the story several times by now.
I bought a scar zvx 15 from a guy few years back and he said it was a sundown recone but it has a sundown basket and a similar motor I just can't find any thing to compare it to. Love the thing anyway. Have it wired up to 2 ohms on 1200 watts~
Gonna wire it back down to .5 tonight it didn't make much difference for sq but definitely noticed a massive draw rate reduction. I can't justify leaving it that way. I'll just turn it down if I want to hear the music more clearly!
If i remember correctly and if info is true, Jacob actually helped design one of the skar subs. I believe it was the ddx, but i could be wrong.
Or it could have been the vxf... But I'm leaning towards the DDX.
Was the vvx
I’ve been told the skar vxf is a budget sql woofer that bangs and sounds good at the same time? How much of that is true ? Does it have quiet mechanical movement ect ?
With the vxf in mind what sundown woofer is comparable to the vxf, and if not better than it ?
The older xv2 is probably similar to the vxf but sundown is just a step above. The vxf is my favorite skar sub though
i love Sundown but un my country they cost more then an arm and a leg vs Skar which would be expensive but legit one third of the price...
Was a Skar fan until the I bought a U10d2 and holy shit! Blown away
And then I went to a X10d2 with a Sfb 3000 watt Sundown amp! It’s night and day from Skar but they are great for beginners and budget builds.
I use to have Sundown x15v2 subs , sold that setup and few years ago and now I have the zvxv2 15s and they are a lil louder ,they don't play as low but I play down to 25 with no issues and they are Taking a Crescendo bassclef 8k with no problem at 1 ohm. I will say Sundown makes great subs no doubt but I'm louder now then I was on the X subs and the X got stinky a lot on the 8k and the zvx quit stinking after about 2 weeks of beating the shit out them. I never got the X subs to not stunk and get hot as shit playing them. Both boxes are built to sub specs and both box where tuned to 32 hertz. Sundown could sale more subs if they didn't cost a shit ton when you can get other subs that are just as good for a fraction of the price. I use to be that Sundown nutt hugger but not any more.
@@berto371rr If you where a sundown nutt hugger then you know he can't lower the price. Also you did something wrong with the Xs because I've seen 2 on 10k in person and never once got stinky or hot.
@@BenaresDarkness I've only been doing this shit for over 25 years. Pretty sure I didn't do anything wrong install wise,, It could have just been from the music. I have a USB drive I listen to my zvx with so I know what hertz I'm playing didn't have that with the X subs and I played a lot of low tuned songs no telling what hertz some of them where could have been the problem. Who knows I like these zvx though beat hard af
@@berto371rr Could have been idk but I just know I've seen them run on a lot power.
I'm currently waiting on my Resilient sounds team 15.
Skar definitely tried to rip off the entire look! But the quality isn't there. Skar only uses parts from Sundown original stuff and has them crafted in the same factories. If you liked a lot of Sundown's stuff from 10 years ago, that's what Skar's equipment is. Sundown continues to innovate and try to make things better! Often designing their own alternations to aid in improving their lineup! Skar isn't horrible though... Businesses always mimic business! Sundown should take it as a compliment that a man could become their rival with their own shit and make millions doing it!
You hit what SPL with 2 12’s???
I can't remember what I said lol
link for that box? in this vid for those 12s
Custom made. Concept enclosures made it
If I going to spend the money (I already did) Im going Orion. Just got Skar to check out. If it sucks it was only like $125... I want Skar and Orion to team up. Orion Shop and you can buy Skar and pay to have them install it. I could sell it all day long. Orion costs this much but if you can do it yourself like you say you can then check out Skar...
Skar has good (very good) budget subwoofers. They just fucked up their reputation. And another problem with skar is the customer support. The subs are nice.
Aye north Carolina my home😊
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I have a single Skar ZVX 15 D2 and I love it. Its definitely impressive. I am debating a second ZVX 15
Don't debate. Definitely get it lol
Try a sundown you won’t go back to skar other than for a budget
@Ian Willmott when you do you’ll regret ever saying that
@Ian Willmott people wish skars are 90% or the time entry level car audio people that think blown subs were because the amp was so good are that the song did it not knowing a think about there electrical now people like me that know there stuff can make a skar sound damn near as good as a sundown but it still won’t sound the same playing them lows n mids
@Ian Willmott skar has those too claiming there skars are louder when there basically a cheap version of sundown it’s back and forth hate so you can’t blame it on one side
I would go sundown if I was trying to build for competition but if ur jus trying to show off ur ride and system Skar is a better buy for the price. I can buy 4 15 zvx which can push 10000 watts (2500x4) for $1400( subs only) but 1 sundown zv6s is $1100 I'm not rich so I look at this I can buy 4 Skar zvx 15 that can push 10000 watts or buy 1 sundown zv6 that I can't afford to push cuz the amp are hella expensive. Like I said if u want a system for competition go sundown but if it just trying to have hometown bragging then Skar won't let u down.
All sundown subs do more than rated easily in my opinion and experience
Main reason why I don’t like them. I know how much I can put to a skar subwoofer because it says so.
@@daniellucero4687yep sundown does that to make you think that your getting more than you payed for. That’s why their more pricy. But the truth is you could get a sub that can still take more actual power and sound just a good or better for cheaper. Take fi hd vs the X.
What about JL audio?
JL audio is great but tends to be a lot pricier
@@Kpaceguy oh, they are like the Apple of this segment
@@eyeshezzy you can say that
i have the 13.5 w7 and x12 rev1. the jl can be in a small box and bump, the x12 doesnt sound good in a small box. when you put them in a spec or bigger box the jl has more excursion but the x12 is louder. jl uses copper voice coils which is good for sq but its heavy which is not good for spl and handling high wattage, 1500w is their max. x12 uses cca voice coils which is great handling high amount of wattage its also lighter than copper so it has better spl, the sq to my ears is the same as the w7. jl uses odd ohm loads, the w7 from 8-12 inch uses a single 3ohm voice coil and the 13.5 is a dual 1.5ohm voice coil. sundown is the typical dual 2 or 4 ohms. one thing i found strange is the baskets, the w7 feels cheap. it looks very thin and fragile compare to how beefy the sundown basket looked
JL is SQ only.
did skar copy the voice coil as well ? I got the sa12’s by the way , but i read somethin about a 2.5 inch voice coil that Sundown is really proud of
I'm sure tons of companies use similar materials because there's only so many ways you can make a sub
Yeah Kevin of skar did try and copy the sa and Jacob was not happy when he found out.
I have a zvx v2 15 in my van and my friend has a sundown u 15 and I'm way louder I love sundown but I must say skar is pretty much the same for cheaper
Sounds like you're being more bias vs being honest
Don't really have a reason to be bias. I have no loyalty to any of these companies
Skar vs Sundown is about as stupid as Ford vs Chevy. Buy what u can afford and what fits what u trying to do. One doesn't have to be better than the other.
Yeah but see the problem is I can’t afford sundown so my other opinion is Skar
You can. The money you would use to buy skar, save it
Wait however long you need and get what you really want
I guess you'd never consider running soundqubed hdx3 for 270$ for basically an x series sub. Or get the hdx4 for the price of an x series with 500 extra rms. May have brought over some tips but through my own research i can tell hes not copying well if hes trying to. Especially now.
I will consider anything that sounds and performs good. I haven't looked heavily into anything. Especially now that sundown handed over this x15v3
Rms means nothing, I would say for sundown add 50% to their rms ratings. There show van had a scv 7500 on each zv5 woofer
I heard that’s story isn’t true. Master will will prove you wrong
You forgot the Skar DNR-15 up to 10k watts
“Never Outshine The Master”
All of them are getting made in China with a few different specs. He wouldn’t be going with sundown if they didn’t give him a free sub. It’s funny, he bought skates but going with sundown now. Family owned has nothing to do with customer service. The subs are basically identical. The teacher can be beat. They get old and cocky. You think sundown is better but you paid for skar subs and got a free sundown that you haven’t even played. 🤔
I didn't buy sundown because of price tag. But after having the Sundown for about 6 months I won't go back to skar
Sundown all the way.
Not if u on a budget
@@expired3725 I am not.
@@winfield347 exactly. I like sundown I’ve heard there subs there are just never gonna be budget friendly
@@expired3725 I agree.Just save those pennies
@@expired3725 buy it used. i dont buy my stuff new. if the product is known for quality then theres no reason it will break on you. i bought a w7 and x12 for less than $300
Sundown is def better.
There still just copying sundown I hate skar because of that and got myself two x18 v3’s and my whole car flexes scored a 147.22 with my roof flexing 2.5 inches up and down also rip to my rear view mirror it fell off giving a demo
Aah shut up stop the 🧢 bum🚪👈🏾
Lol sundown will be the new skar now since they sold.jacob fuller must be joining d4s
You sound dumb AF