Hubble Spy Telescope: The 19 Secret Clones of Hubble
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- Опубліковано 26 лис 2024
- The Hubble Space Telescope has been hard at work for decades, but it might not be as original as we once thought. There is compelling evidence that the KH-11 category of US spy satellites (which have been around longer than Hubble) are essentially mild variants of Hubble. We'll look at a lot of clues that support this conclusion, and it's a bit of a crazy idea, considering there have been 19 of these Hubble variants launched for spy purposes... and only one Hubble.
Note: I said in the video that "Synthetic Aperture Radar" is abbreviated as SAP. Obviously, I am an idiot, and I have yet to understand that an extra little line on a P turns it into an R, which is apparently a different letter? [citation needed]
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I was on a ship off the coast of Vietnam in 1969 when a new guy arrived onboard to work in the same department as me. He was from Minnesota and I asked him what kind of work did he do before he joined the Navy. He told me he worked on a top-secret job and all he could say was they had a big mirror with a square hole in the center and they used lasers to polish it. He then said when the world found out about it we would be astonished. Now, skip forward to the early 1990's and I was working for Perkins Elmer. One of my coworkers had worked on the Hubble so I asked him what caused the lens to have been ground wrong. He starts by saying that it was a large mirror with a square hole in the middle and they were polishing it using a laser. My mind immediately flashed back to the guy on my ship telling me what he did. The Perkin Elmer guy also told me that they wanted to test the mirror but the government just asked them if they polished it to the specs that they provided them. Perking Elmer told them yes, so the government said don't worry, it will work. This also indicated the government had done this before. Later after the lens problem was discovered, Perkin Elmer realized that they had put shims on the wrong side of the frame that held the mirror while being polished, thus causing the telescope to be out of focus around the edges. Too much of a coincidence.
The internet is full of weird conspiracy theories. My favorite is that the USA only allows people to own guns to stop them knowing about the alien energy weapons we reverse engineered in Area 51. The Republicans hid all knowledge of the UFO we have under the Nixon term! I am sure this is too much of a coincidence huh?
Except we know what failed at Hubble Mirror testing and we know, that Kodak had second mirror ready, which didn't have the flaw.
The fact that the satellites given to NASA by the NRO were considered “old technology” for the NRO, yet NASA was like a kid in a candy store because they were so much better than what NASA could afford, shows where this worlds’ priorities truly are.
Indeed... keeping an eye on enemy military programs is strangely considered more important than stargazing.
Tragic we don't have 20 hubbles.
Yeah, we care more about not getting nuked or bombed than getting photos of nebulae
"shows where this worlds’ priorities truly are."
The priorities are to survive as democracy, so yes, this is right so....
@@btudrus it is in Western Civilizations best interest to survive as Democratic Republics, true, but only in the West. The rest of the planet certainly does not share those values, hence the disparity.
I’ve always thought the NRO’s announcement that they were giving away two “obsolete” telescopes that were orders of magnitude better than Hubble was just a flex, and a hint to adversaries “we literally throw away Hubbles, imagine what we send up there…”
an "order of magnitude" is 10x, 2 orders of magnitude is 100x. the 2 spysats were much better than HST, but not multiple orders of magnitude, which would be hundreds or thousands of times better.
What do we send now?
If HST is to KH11
Then JWST is to ????
Hubble had terrific optics, just obsolete - by today's standard - cameras. Grace Roman Telescope will have not that much better optics, but VASTLY improved detector; offering Hubble quality and detail but over vastly larger area.
OK, in simple terms, the diffraction limit of a 2.4m mirror is 0.2 micro-radians. At a distance of 100 miles or 166km, the resolution would be 3 cm or about 1 inch. That plus some Adaptive Optics would mean you could read tags from orbit.
I was just roughly analyzing their the shot image and yup, resolution is roughly 2cm or 4/5th inch. Looked at the fence gate, the cars and the fence posts and especially the fence distortion on the bottom.
Supposedly, largest mirrors have like 3,2m.
I remember back in 1978 my father came back from a business trip to Washington DC. He was overly excited to tell me he had just come from a place where he could read license plates on moving cars on a live television monitor from a satellite. I think he knew he couldn't talk about his work but figured a 12-year-old kid wouldn't understand and who would believe a kid with that story. Dad worked for Raytheon and a handful of other companies as a telecommunications engineer. So chances are if people know about KH-11 satellites, the government has top secret stuff 10 generations beyond that. Like when F-117 became operational in 1983-ish, probably earlier, but the public didn't hear about it until the 90s. We all know about the F-22-35s so chances are they have aircraft we won't know about for another 10 years. More than likely an unmanned drone that can do things that would kill a human pilot.
Meanwhile the Australian equivalent accidentally blows up hotels that weren't closed to the public at the time, and can only afford to pay their IT "experts" 5/8th of what other government departments (who already vastly underpay their staff) can afford to pay theirs.
You get the experts you pay for. Please don't invade us to liberate us of our oil.
In the mid 1980's I was in the military and in a certain base there was a sequency of 20 - A2 photos in frames, on a wall in a hall, showing the Earth then down to Murmansk, down to a Soviet dockyard, showing a Kashin destroyer, showing two sailors on deck, showing the cap badge of one of them. The badge was blurry but could be seen.
i wonder if the supposed misgrinding of hubble's mirror was related to the different focal length of a repurposed KH...
Interesting...
It was reportedly due to dust contamination or vibration, but maybe they flipped the grinder to "Spy setting" by mistake.
(Sorry, that's "Outrageously Overfunded Spy Setting Lockheed # 4 with sprinkles and a coke".)
Not exactly. The solid model used for bending moments on the mirror support assumed standard gravity. Not the microgravity of NEO
@@fazergazer But we never heard of any of these 19 spy satellites needed any fixing, as Hubble needed, despite all of them being on microgravity of NEO, and being built at the exact same facility on exact same tools.
You are close...
@@fazergazerShouldn't they know about this, since they had other optical satellites in space by that time?
SAR uses radar returns, not sequentially, per se, but from points that are far apart, increasing the virtual aperture of the receiver, so, just like with optical systems, increasing the aperture increases resolution... A good friend of mine worked on an early version of this for a radio telescope, in the late 1960's, when the processing power to synchronize the signals took about a square meter of circuit boards!
Here is some trivia for you:
The Space Shuttle cargo bay was designed to hold the KH9 Hexagon spy satellite. Hubbel might have been a modified KH11 but its size was dictated by the KH9 which was never launched by the shuttle.
Thought it was the other way around, Hubble was built using spare optics from the Keyhole program.
I think it is standard 1950s style secret program methods. Declare that you made an awesome scientific research thing, say you are going to look further and farther than ever before. Make a dozen copies, launch the science, and secretly launch the rest while everyone is distracted. They all look the same, so anyone who gets a photo would be all "Oh, hubble!" "Oh, weather sattelite!" "Oh, something normal!"
It is likely Hubble was using spare parts, but also the rest were using spare parts from hubble.
I suspect there was a lot of parts interchange.
No. Design-wise, HST might have been leftover/recycled hardware, but optic-wise it was purpose-built. The reason we know this (even if the same company made both HST and spy satellite optics) is because the optics needed for looking at distant galaxies is substantially different than ones for looking at Earth. We also know, because of HST original design flaw, that the optics were purpose built for HST and not spare parts (even if the same optics would have worked, which they wouldn't) because of the flaw in the final mirror dimensions. They DID use the same process for polishing and final dimensions, but the process was done both from Perkin-Elmer and Kodak (presumably using different machines, but both being computer controlled which was new/high-tech at the time).
If you want to invest in space telescopes, ask contractors to build any telescopes they want in SpaceX Starship hulls. We should eventually build enough of them to cover every piece of the spectrum with 2 different telescopes, so we can cross-check our measurements.
Come to think of it, the NRO should be investing in SpaceX Starship-sized telescopes.
This rumor has been around for a long time. this is the first time I've seen anything in print or video. Thanks
This was really well made and very informative! Great work, I hope to see your channel grow large
Wow, the 'new, old stock, obsolete, 90s tech' mirrors would yield a 4x improvement over the scientists' planned, brand new, top of the line civilian mirrors...
One of the stories bandied around after Hubble's launch, was that the mirror was flawed because they fitted one that was meant to go in to one of the KH-11's, another story was that the mirror was ground to the mil-spec by mistake. And, there's supposed to be another two sitting in mothballs. Using one of the spares as a Mars imaging satellite would be a fantastic choice. The parts from the spare should be used to service Hubble, and then push it out to Geostationary orbit where it can safely sit forever.
No. Service in Geostationary orbits is a nuisance. LEO is easier.
@@waynesworldofsci-tech I'm expecting it'd be a better place to park it, rather then de-orbit and burn up once it's been superseded. But even if kept operational, GEO will be easy to get to once all the heavy lift class of launch vehicle come on line.
Priorities, NASA had to fight like hell to get one for science, but the military industrial complex got 19 of them without an argument. The reason Hubble's mirror was slightly out of focus for distant stars is because it was ground to KH-11 standard which set focus at the distance from the telescope to the earths surface. Imagine what they can see with the new ones with mirrors like the James Webb telescope.
There is nothing special about the JWT mirror, it's just big and has gold "silvering" to be more reflective for IR light.
@@beardoe6874exactly though. They are essentially having thermal sight in a spy satellite.
Awesome video! The NSA as probably had UA-cam deboost this one. I'm surprised it showed up for me to click on because it should be going viral.
They’re clearly doing a bad job cause I’ve never seen this channel before, I don’t even watch these kind of videos, but I still had this recommended on my homepage
JWST isn't meant to replace hubble because Hubble is still great, though it does need a successor. The age of the Great Observatories is more or less over, because nowadays we can make a telescope that can do so much by itself that they don't need any complementary telescopes, though that does still help science. though also Hubble can't take photos of the earth because it moves too fast for the orbit it's in, the relative velocity is too great for Hubble to take a photo
I think there is a chance we may see a servicing mission to Hubble within the next 4-5 years. Reason: the SpaceX _Crew Dragon_ can reach the Hubble, and it's possible that SpaceX could launch repair components to the Hubble using a standard Falcon 9 Block V launch.
Incorrect. We can’t build the wide spectrum sensors needed at present. Individual targeted spectrum is far, far easier. And doable now.
Your channel should have ten thousand times your current subscribers. Love your work!
@@maflones Sounds like BS
So they asked us to watch wonderful stars and galaxies, Uncle Sam is watching us from above.
Fun fact : to apply to work at the NRO, you have to paint your cover letter and resume on your roof!
So, those upgrades and larger mirrors. Who did those? Can’t believe they were completely automated. The USAF Space Command must’ve been sending people into space separate to the shuttle programme.
Oh our imagine is a hell of a lot better than that actually. They can image down to 1 micrometer in resolution. I'm serious. This data comes to me directly from a friend who worked in the 'program' before his death over 10yrs ago. They've had that imaging tech since the 90's.
I am sure that the US government has several high resolution images of me giving the finger
not 1 k sub yet? seriously?
he deserves millions man
I think there is a chance we may see a servicing mission to Hubble within the next 4-5 years. Reason: the SpaceX _Crew Dragon_ can reach the Hubble, and it's possible that SpaceX could launch repair components to the Hubble using a standard Falcon 9 Block V launch.
They should take some Rocket Labs 'kick stages' out in the Dragon's trunk, attach to Hubble after servicing, then gently push it out the Geostationary Orbit, outside of the drag from the atmosphere, and where it could sit forever, so once it's able to be replaced by a more capable telescope (say, 5 to 10 meter mirror on the backside of Luna) Hubble could safely retire as the first exhibit of an Orbital Museum. ISS can park next to it later, or both could be attached to each other and the ISS could be the first manned space telescope.
Could we call em Stubbles?
Such a nice Report. Thanks
COMING STRAIGHT ON FOR YOU . SUNNY DALE WAS COMING UP ON MY COMPUTER IN THE GARAGE !
As far as connections between NASA and Intelligece; I cannot imagine there being a whole lot of machines which can grind the kind of mirrors discussed. Plus, NASA and the intelligence agencies are joined at the hip (and thru Congress). We know ppl jump between Congress and private mega-corps so why not between high level Federal bodies?
Hubbles focal point is for far far away objects. It just wouldnt focus. I think it can barely see most planets.
Great video, but please mute the background music. Repetitious and annoying.
The music is there to jam your brain and thinking power. I think this music is set there by UA-cam itself and they do it for somebody that pays them.
And after all that fuss, they gave hubble a factory reject mirror. As if to say "dont ask again".
Hubble is the offshoot of the KH11, Keyhole 11 has been around since 1970s (that USG will admit too).
Hit the target, great job!
I've heard that 80s spy satellites could read "what brand of cigarettes box" someone is holding, and read headlines on newspapers.
What they can do today is probably mind blowing!
Well hubby was big enough where it had to be flown on a shuttle. We didn’t fly enough shuttles to launch 19 more. So these other satellites must have been much smaller.
I love NASA and always dreamed of space since I was a child. However I also recognize the importance of security and that we cannot get to space if we cannot maintain peace. Unfortunately by human nature, people are envious of others and want what others have. For that reason I believe that a strong military, good security, backed by the values and morals of a peace loving society is fundamental to ensuring that we survive. The NRO budget and the value they provide to the government is rightly justified in my mind.
To me the numerous quantity of the smaller telescope is best addressed be the military/CIA/ NASA. The cost will most likely have to be addressed by Congress. However, I’m personally of the opinion of more “eyes” in the sky.
11:47 Just love the last words in this video
Thanks for an interesting video, subscribed.
I don't know that the disparity between our military budget and what we're willing to spend on science is "fair" -- or, more sensibly, wise -- but it's the way things are, today. Hopefully, someday, we as a species will learn how to play geopolitics more sensibly, where "prizes" are measured more in terms of a nation's contributions to the global population of humans and not so much in terms of a nation's size or its hoarded resources. But, until then (and maybe even after), war is a reality of life, and so we will continue to spend many times more in preparing for and pursuing war than we will for science. That's just the way things are.
I want to see some 4K pictures of uaps
Engines of destruction often have peaceful uses. As long as we live in an economy of scarcity, the means to spy on, capture, and, if necessary, destroy those resources will receive mega-funding. My guess is that the US has a fully functional ABM system that would fully shield much of the US in the event of war.
I think one reason it went so over. Budget for nasa was the dod were using them as a test run For production. They wanted to figure out how to make it easier and let nasa do all the hard work first
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Imagine the stuff Uncle Sam is quietly launching these days.
The number of projects DARPA funds is impressive
Nice video.
I'm embarrassed to be an earthling
Secret huh? Then why do you know about it?
Hihi! It is nice to know that "they" are so interested in theyr fellow humans!
Dont tell me no one knows about such satellites like lacrosse which can even read whats written a piece of paper in our hand from space💀(its US back in 90s)
ill jump in and agree with the new conspiracy .. sounds plausible as mythbusters would say.
The Secondary Mirror Cannot Be Steered!!! That would induce All Kinds of Bad Optical Problems and the images would be Horrible.
Same tehnologies, same place, same mistake?
Imagine if all that military money went to a civilian space program. Hell, imagine if even half of it was redirected.
America could have universal healthcare and free education and it still would barely be noticeable in the budget.
Yeah And the Price 💲💲💲 for NASA Equipment would Sky 🚀 into 🌌, NASA Has 💩 Negotiators Hagler's and Ball breakers, Because it's All about politicians with 🐽 in the 🐖💨🛢️
A quarter.....heck, an eighth!!! It's a lot of money!
Imagine if the amount of money Americans spend on makeup and only fans was spent on the space program.
@@Anmeteor9663 CAFR
Yup, a certain presidont was pretty free and easy with the state secrets.
True. Biden sold us out to the Chinese.
Yup gonna vote for him again
Not much in the news about this.
The picture of the Taliban leaders house Trump handed to the Taliban leader when he warned him of US deaths was rumored to be about 3 cm or 1 inch resolution from space, that's how good they are at seeing earth. You could literally read large yard signs and tell the make and model of cars.
whos law, its in space....
Bruh why would the president just tweet a classified photo showing USA capabilities.
Really? You're talking about Trump. Love him or hate him, this is the type of stuff he did.
In particular, this is not even the satellite's maximum resolution (since the photo was taken at an angle) so we can only guess at it's maximum capabilities.
It was a calculated P.R. ploy to make sure Iran couldn't blame the U.S. for the explosion and then use it as an excuse for a proxy attack. It was a censored picture. There are a few other good videos on YT that explain how the picture was cropped and pixelated so not to give too much away but make sure folks knew it was a legit pic.
Security? lol
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I can't spend too long thinking about how much more we'd know about the universe by now if NASA had the military's budget or else I start dry heaving
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Like it or no. NASA is a part of the DoD. But it's a civilian agency right? So is the Secretary of Defense. Try & dovetail the NRO...😂
*Knowing cackle*
My hat is always off to NASA they are doing the best they can. And all of our three letter agencies are why you can go get a Starbucks for lunch. God bless those people and let them do what they gotta do.
Many people suspected this… Hubble was nearsighted, and a mirror was replaced with one that focused at more than a couple hundred miles. Coincidence?
"your perspective is wrong" is literally the reason our species got to the moon sry