I thought the purpose of Camo, regardless of pattern, was to break up your profile so you appear as shapeless blotches rather than a large solid 'thing."
Minimizing or slowing down your movements is the best camo, and it really isn’t close!! Camo is for companies to make huge profits on their cheaply made garments off of hunters thinking they need camo👍🏻
Probably. But my Kuiu Yukon is incredibly durable, more so than a simple rain jacket. And its waterproofness is the best you can buy. I live in the PNW, both of those things are worth every penny to me.
As a rifle hunter, 1000% agree with everything you mentioned. As an archery hunter, having had deer/elk stare me down at 20 yds or less many times and not spook, feel like camo may have made a difference. Hard to know for sure...
@@davidtetrick6664 Waterfowl are a totally different thing. I think their eyes are far better. I think it's pretty proven that camo is a must for birds, but I'm not a bird guy so I'd defer to the experts.
@@EmoryByLand Waterfowl are absolutely different, and speaking of birds, how did I forget about turkeys! But I think you're absolutely right that big game are different, and from the little I know about this stuff (only started hunting a few years ago) I really wish I had picked more solid color products when I started out and only got a few camo pieces for specialized use.
I agree! Face to face with wind in my favor and my eyes downcast, I’ve been motionless and a seemably harmless object…till you open your eyes and make eye contact. In that moment you can see realization of “threat” strike them….”Itttt, itsssa HU HU HUMMMMANNN!!!!!!” Next blink they’re gone!!!
I spent a good amount of time blaming a poor September archery hunt on the deer not “liking” my pants. My wife completely understood when I framed it in this way. This year, I have nice set of solid Kuhl pants to see if the deer like better 👍🏻
Was in the Army for 22 years, have gone through 4 different types of field uniforms. Best one yet was the OG107’s , plane OD Green uniform blended best , especially in motion. I could see units moving 1-200 yd’s a way but some one at that same distance in OG107’s was much harder to detect. 1-509th ABN Opfor.
The function of the fabric is the first thing I look for, I don't really care it the camo matches or not. Kuiu outlet or camofire are my go to places for new clothing. Staying in the shadows is the best camo pattern!
Only Camo you ever really need is a leafy suit and balaclava. However, hunting is an activity with specific requirements, and Camo companies cater to those things. You can buy a jansport backpack at Walmart to take with you into the woods, and then to school, but the pack designed for hunting is obviously going to be a better option. Similarly, Camo companies have complete layering systems that address the specific condition hunters find themselves in. A Patagonia wool pullover isn’t going to do well in the turkey woods rubbing up against tree bark. Great for a hike though. Also, buying a whole new wardrobe of solid colored garments contradicts your money saving point. Just use the Camo you already got. Which does work btw. And also looks cool.
I gave up camo a few years ago., started going with tan colors, or greys, earth tone stuff. Lot anti hunters here and I got. Less dirty looks in earth tones and I didn't worry about. My jeep being damaged by a anti hunter. Now last 2 years iv just hunted in a red plaid jacket and tan carhards or blue jeans. Haven't noticed my success rate go down, and I'm a 90% of the time a spot n stalk hunter. Only time I don't do the jeans now is if I'm doing a week or two back country, then I go with Earth tone hiking gear,. Camo is just there for company's to hunt the hunters wallet. Just my two cents. Red plaid and jeans this year got me 4 bucks 1 moose, 1 bear, countless rabbits and around 20 coyotes.
You only discuss name brand camouflage. You did not cover surplus camo, like Britsh DPM and German Flektarn. Some of that comes in a great price point and is multi-use.
This is what I do.. I think the Flecktarn in particular is really good. Killed a 9 point back last year during archery season from a low tree stand that looked me right in the face at 20 yards and still came in closer. Playing the wind, staying motionless and quiet and covering your face is much more important IMO. Would never spend the money on Sitka and First Lite and all that BS
I think you make some great points. I think it makes a difference when hunting in the east vs west. In the east (at least my area) we get pretty close to the animals. I don’t mind mixing my camo patterns. And like some of the other commentators, I shop the clearance racks for my hunting gear. I rarely pay full price.
Camo for me isn't so much for the animal I'm hunting but to stay hidden from other hunters. Especially on public land cuz there's those hunters that seek out other hunters in the hopes they are on an animal and shoot it before you. Seen this soo many times.
That sounds terrifying. You must be American? In Canada all Canadian provinces all require hunters to wear significant amounts of blaze orange so other hunters WILL see you! In order to avoid tragedies. We do have 10% more land than the U.S. with 1/10th of your population, so things are dramatically less crowded… but still!
@@mr_cleaner_upper8645 The law depends on who owns the land and what state. We have hunting clubs with no rules, but despite how much some people pay to be a member, there are asshole who will steal someone else's deer. I've even heard some folks say they had their kill snatched before they could get to it (or find it if it didn't drop upon impact). On State property, we're required to wear blaze orange. Honestly I think the best use for camo is to hide from other people because at the race these lunatics running the country with ideology and socialist agendas, we may need it one day.
I was raised on a small farm back in the 70's. Dad and i hunted alot. I always wore OD green and various camo patterns, and even put on face paint. Dad always hacked on me. He wore a white Tee shirt and blue pants. He always took more rabbits, squirrel, deer and ducks than i did. When we got to the edge of the woods when hunting deer or squirrel - Dad always took off his shoes and hunted in his sock feet. I never knew anyone else who did that. I still hunt and fish occasionally. I just turned 60. Lost Dad a couple years ago. I had on a camo jungle hat as i held his hand during his final hours. I still wear camo when i hunt and fish. More to get me in the mood i think than anything. And i can still hear the ole Man laughing at me when i do ! Lol
Your the first person to say this, and this is how I feel. Often times I throw on camo so it gets me all hyped to go hunt, and seems like it makes the whole trip/experience more fun for me. It may sound silly, but before, my camo clothes I didn’t see them as clothes, I see them as my hunting gear. And I convinced myself to buy the best cuss I like to have the best gear when doing outdoor sports. But everything said in this video, I’ve thought about, especially when buying some of my Sitka stuff, and I agree with everything said in this video. Recently, I started buying more solid colors and i have to say it’s partly due to price, a part of me wants to spend the money if I know that I can wear it to the range or out fishing etc, and not just use this gear for a few weeks a year for hunting. Like a tool I feel I’ll use more often, justifies me buying the better brand tool, than a tool im just using once, I’ll get harbor freight. I knew it was silly of me to spend the amount I have on my camo, but after watching this video, it really confirmed and drilled in the points made in this video even further than when I thought about these points myself, having buyers remorse knowing I’ve spent too much on camo and knowing I got suckered into the Sitka marketing, buying 3 of the same jacket (jetstream) in 3 different camo patterns. 😢
@@00ninja00 I went fishing for the first time this year yesterday. I wore my camouflage pants and jungle hat. And even took an old set of ALICE gear I've been putting together over the winter. I probably really didn't need it, but I thought wearing it on the walk from the truck to my fishing spot would be a good first "real" test for it. And who knows, I might just of needed the AK-47 bayonet I have on it to defend myself from a rabid snapping turtle LoL ! My son wore his favorite jungle hat too, and carried a woodland ALICE pack with his gear in it. But I guess the fish spotted us anyway- we didn't catch anything ! We did have a good drive and walk in the country though. And that's the main reason we go anyway. We did notice several other guys and girls wearing OD green, tan and various camouflage. Blue seems to be catching on around here for fishing. When I catch some on sale, I just might pick some up. LoL. But yeah, I've realized I mainly wear my camo to get me in the outdoor mood. And, it does hold up pretty good out there. I've got some hats and gear that is 20+ years old.
@@shadowwolf9503 as long as you had fun and spent time with your son. That’s the most important part. The best hunting trips for me were the trips I did with my father even if we didn’t get anything. I’ve never been the type to go after trophy animals. I started hunting just to spend time with my father, didn’t matter if I get anything or not. Didn’t think that it would rub off on me. Now even after my father has been gone for over a decade, I still go hunt in the old spots just because that’s where I learned to hunt with my father. I never thought that a lot of the things my father taught me and things he liked would be ingrained in me for the rest of my life. I buy Sitka because that’s what my father wore and liked. I wear it to fish now too because, why not? It’s so expensive, might as well use it more often. And I totally understand where you’re coming from, as I do the same. When I start dressing to go fish or hunt in my camo, it helps get me in “the mode” and I enjoy just being out wether or not I get anything. I don’t have kids yet, but I hope my kids will hunt and fish with me, and when I’m gone, maybe they’ll continue the hobby, and maybe wearing the same camo brand or hunting/ fishing a certain way and certain location, will rub off on my kids and stick with them to pass onto their kids. Thanks for sharing your story.
I have been doing this for years. I buy shirts/ jackets and pants that are multi color in the base color of the area I am in and dirty it up some or just bury myself in the foliage when I get there so the base color just looks like dirt under it. For winter I just buy a cheap XXL or XXXL white shirt and dirty it up depending on how much snow is on the ground or if I am in a wooded area and wear that over my nice winter gear I wear every other day. Pants I just have waterproof woodland camo ones that are very for lack of a better word, yarny, and snow sticks to them some and I bury them in the snow when I stop.
Emory, I totally agree with what you say in this video. Plus, who wants to look like you pinched your grandma's old curtains to go hunting in! After gun shops being full of camo gear for years now, there has been a significant move away from camo here in the UK in the past few years.
Also solids can be worn anywhere..like in town without looking like some urban guerrilla! More money saved as clothes are not hanging in your closet for most of the year. You get your moneys worth from them.
I feel embarrassed to say that I’ve never spent $200 on a pair of pant for daily wear. But I went and bought multiple $200+ pant from name brand hunting companies . Nor have I bought a long sleeve t-shirt for over $100 for daily wear but have many from the 3 big name hunting clothing company (S,K,FL). After buying, kinda got buyers remorse, so started to wear them to the range and out fishing year round.
I’ve went full circle. Sold all my kuiu gear and now using seeland, looks very smart and traditional for me being British, changed my rifle from being obsessed with shooting deer beyond 500 to a single shot blaser k95 and I am going back to basics, stalk, hunt properly, get close… much more enjoyable. I hunt as a hobby, so why not enjoy it??
I'm new to hunting, but I've done a lot of bass fishing. The whole camo selection thing for deer hunting sounds very similar to the debate of what color worm do bass prefer? Does color/pattern matter? Yes, but maybe not as much as we lead ourselves to believe and certainly not as much as other details. In the end, I guess its about what each person finds to work for their own technique and that brings confidence.
I wear a mix of solids and camo. Earth tone solids and maybe a camo vest and or hat. The purpose of camo is and always has been to break up and outline, not mask movement. One reason I still buy some camo garments is because sometimes it's just easier to find a wind and water resistant garment that adds insulation without to much bulk from a camo company. That said I have taken deer wear work clothes smelling like diesel fuel.
I agree with you on drab colors. Camo is the most useful when hunting birds, primarily waterfowl, turkey, dove, etc. Even the I use old military surplus camo, and it has never failed me. You are right, It is about marketing. The prices on some of the brands you mentioned is outrageous. It is almost like they are marketing towards the elite. The working man would have to max out his credit to buy some of that stuff. Good video.
Dude...10000% Hunting has become some weird elitist activity now where, to be considered a "real hunter" you have to spend thousands on some line of camo. Also...you can't get a sponsor if you don't wear something easily recognizable, right? Thanks for the comment!
@@EmoryByLand Yes, it is that way, and no problem. I see everything you said happening all around me. I'm glad you made the video. I don't know if a lot of people are covering it, but you did. It needs to be talked about. I grew up hunting, and am an avid outdoorsman. It's turned into some weird, greedy perversion of all the good honest work, yet fun times I had learning how to hunt, being taught everything by my father. It can be damaging to young people that want to put their own food on the table, but feel like they can't afford to get started. Sorry for the rant, but I'm always preaching " You don't need that. Your shirt doesn't need to cost more than your gun"!
I don't care to total match camo patterns, I'm usually wearing a hodge podge of different patterns. It's much easier to find better quality clothes in some camo pattern or the other, bigger selection and availability. Sometimes it seems camo may work others it seems like it's a loud speaker. Most of my stuff is bought in outlets, closeouts, or good sales.
Yep, pretty much agree 100%. Couple things I might add: 1) I buy the piece of clothing, not the color or pattern. 2) As a guy in the, ehem, "extended sizes", most of what I _can_ buy that is appropriate for hunting (lightweight, water resistant, breathable) is actually in camo and is very often discounted. 3) I mix and match camo patterns from different companies and solids all day long. Some companies might refer to this as "macro patterning" 😂 4) the only thing I avoid are bright colors, be they green, red, blue, whatever. If predator hunting, I don't bring anything that's not an earth tone or black. All of my shots are inside of 150 yards. 99% of those are inside of 25 yards. Gotta be honest here - my 2020 deer was at 3 yards and was close enough that I got some "splash-back" from the entrance wound 😬 . My success rate is near 100% and I truly attribute this to hunting solo, moving extremely quietly, using the terrain and hunting pressure to my advantage, and paying very close attention to the wind.
I’m not getting rid of my camo, just saving it for turkey and waterfowl. Slowly replacing mid quality camo (Kings) with high quality non camo backpacking/mountaineering brands for roughly the same cost. Use the better quality solids for Wyoming mountain hunting. Good video.
I agree totally but my exception is turkey hunting. I don't use blinds or decoys and I need to be invisible. As Dexter said...."Camouflage is Nature's Craftiest Trick".
I agree and disagree. Me personally I buy the hight quality I can afford from various companies Sales. If isn’t on sale I usually don’t buy it. I mix and match Camo’s and solids all the time. The type of materials and technology built into the pieces are important to me along with Camo patterns that disturb the eye and don’t stick out. I hung in the high desert mountains of the SW and I also don’t want to stick out to game or other people. Dark colors, blobs, regular clothes, and /or the human shape Do stick out, along with movement. That said many of the clothing designs are a fashion statement and people are brand loyalties. I will Not purchase from a anti-hunting or anti-2A company ( Levi’s, Yeti, Starbucks, ect. ) Yes I try to do research before buying from companies, along with trying to support made in the USA products.
I'm transitioning from camp to solid pants and camo to squared brownish grayish an so it's a lot easier to find and broader options a lot less expensive too I will still buy camo if it fits my eyes just for the glamour of it but don't see it necessary to for the hunting aspect of it
The most effective camo I've ever seen is the stuff worn by the deer in my yard. They just sort of blend in to almost anything. I've wondered for decades why military uniforms aren't the color of deer fur. Way back in the day, buying camo meant going to the army surplus store and getting woodland camo outfit for next to nothing. Now I see camo suits that want $300.00 for a pair of pants? All said, the price of camo has gone insane, and all those fancy patterns, any scientific proof it really works? My take is properly wash/treat your clothes with UV killer and you are set to go with any dull earth tones or even olive drab.
Oh I’m right there with ya. Deer have a great camo situation that’s hard to comprehend. I think the “science” is based on how humans perceive what works and what doesn’t. Wind and movement prevail always though.
You're not paying for fancy patterns, that's just marketing. You're paying $200 for a pair of pants for the insulation, water/wind proofing, vent pockets, moisture wickening. Clothes you can wear in a wide range of temperatures. You're paying for technology. I have nothing against an old pair of BDUs, but they don't do shit to keep you warm.
Camo does nothing for you as far as hunting animals go. I've hunted in blue jeans and a T shirt most of my life and always have taken game! There is one reason however for Camo and that is for evading other humans in that area Camo can be an absolute blessing and with where the country seems to be going I wouldn't ditch it all!
There are more affordable brands and options in patterns that are more versatile. I'm also thinking a guillie style covering probably would be best for most static positions.
I switched to solids for all of these exact reasons! I spent a pile of money on high quality outdoor gear, I wanted to use it when I’m not hunting. I’ve been within 60 yards of elk in non camo gear, I was downwind of them, held still, and was quiet. Those are the 3 biggest factors of not being detected, not what “macro and micro” patterns were on my clothes.
Solid color pants are definitely the way to go. However, I do like having camo above the waist for better outline break up. And when you add birds like turkey or waterfowl into the mix you definitely want something in camo.
@@EmoryByLand you definitely make some very good points in the video. Many of which I agree with. It’s clear many are implementing more solids. Myself included. Because many companies are introducing more solid colored gear.
@@slaydeday5677 Kinda crazy how quickly that happened yeah? I think brands are waking up to the idea of camo not being the ONLY thing people want. Have a good one bud!
@@EmoryByLand They can also branch out from hunting that way. I don't want to wear camo while I'm hiking, but for some things, hunting companies can outdo hiking specific gear. For example, my Kuiu Pro pack is solid color and pulls double duty - Heavy duty enough to haul meat, but at under 4 pounds, light enough for the Appalachian Trial. Meanwhile, backpackers are spending the same amount of money on a pack that saves 1 pound, but has a miniscule weight limit.
good points, i will just want to add camo vs hunting technology are different comparisons. hunting pants can be made for thick shrubbery to resist tears, thorns, etc. the prana pants you mentioned are too thin for some environments.
Thanks! And I agree. Gotta pick the right tool for the job. Busting brush with something not so durable will be an issue. Thanks for checking out the video!
Yes! Good light brown top/ bottom or green/green combo in really any brand is fine! One could go to friggin Target and walk out with a hunting outfit for less than $100!
Very good points! Am also have been in that same mind set. I like being able to go somewhere before or after a hunt and not advertise that I am a hunter. It also seems like a status symbol…. I am such a dedicated hunter or I have some much $ that I can buy all this Kuiu, Sitka etc. its all marketing, like you say. If I do want some concealment I have a 3D ASAT suit, that I will toss in my pack. Doesn’t take up much room, deploys really fast and is super effective. Plus not crazy expensive😁
My uncle has been hunting for 45+ years now and not once used a camo. Ngl, only looking into camo for the pure aesthetic. However I don’t want to buy something too thick not classified as winter. Since I primarily hunt in the Mojave desert.
What’s the idea with solids/camo and a orange vest? Is the vest for when your moving about and you take it off when your stalking or does it stay on permanently? I’m from the U.K.
Sorry for the delay here. Just now seeing this. Orange worn so you're visible to other hunters as a safety mechanism. If the area or season you're hunting in requires orange, you wear it all the time no matter what.
I mix and match my camo and not worry about it. I don't wear it as a fashion statement. The only reason I may buy something pricey, such as Badlands, it I like the quality of the clothing, it's made to last... Some if it is buy once, cry once.
So true. I went to the wrangler outdoor gear that you show on one of your vids. Only if they could make a camo the was sent proof. Causenin the end thats what gets you.👍👍👍
We cut out fragrance from everything we use, only use Branch basics for laundry too. I’ve noticed a huge difference in that. It’s crazy how the artificial fragrance added to products clings on.
If you are bow hunter here is the trick.... leafy hoodies/jackets or ghillie jackets and a leafy hat/ ghillie hat. Its the only thing I wear that is camo and .... Im almost completely camo'd out.... with just solid pants... Elk season - leafy hoodie and a merino wool t shirt.... and pants.... winter - Merino wool hoodie, puffy vest and leafy hoodie .... and I m good to go... North Mountain Gear / Mossy Oak .... and I just have random solids from green - brown grey.... its covered with my leafy cover...
Camo DOES help, but it must be just a tool & not relied on 100% I make my own starting with base tone regular clothes and use rit dye to add shadow & bleach to draw distinction & create visual disruption. Breaking up human outline is what I'm after 1st and 2nd I'm trying to blend myself as close as possible with natural baseline vegetation.
Thanks so much for your video and case. I've been thinking a ton about this lately as I'm entering the Pronghorn archery game and though I usually use Cabela's gear, my strata pattern is A) going to stand out in the Nebraska grasslands and B) be way too hot... so I was looking at KUIU Verde tec stuff but part of me is like, should I just get some Khaki gear that I can use while fishing hot days or spot and stalking deer in CRP too? I dunno....I'm trying to better learn how pronghorn see but the videos I've seen, other hunters, even in camo seem to stand out in grasslands like...well...hunters. I've heard pronghorn have vision like 10x binoculars, so concealment is doubly important but curious about your thoughts on solids in open country vs breaking up your form with camo...?
Boy, I don't know. I hear the same things about pronghorn and even sheep, but I STILL see videos of people taking them in the wide open with even a trad bow so.....something doesn't add up. I'm obviously no expert in that species, but do thing logic plays a role. It has to be more about positioning and wind rather than some camo pattern. If I were going down that road, I'd go with a lighter color from Kuiu or that brown color from First Lite and if you're REALLY seeing a massive issue with gettin busted, then toss a camo top on over your outer layer. I've also been considering the benefits to wearing lighter colored solids that allow for natural shadows and light to play on it better than a darker color. Take a cougar for example...that color allows them to use the natural fall of shadows and light to cover up their outline wheras if they were darker in color, they'd just end up being a blob. Same goes for how incredible deer and elk are at blending in even as solid colored creatures for the most part. Something to think about!
@@EmoryByLand awesome point about how well those animals blend in despite solid colors. Thanks for your response and ideas! Your comment about light and shadow got me thinking...and this may be obvious for more experienced open country hunters but ...light positioning ... That lighter color may be more solid and reflective than camo, but if matching the tone of the environment, I'll bet as a hunter you disappear pretty quick if light is in front of you. If the light is behind you... your silhouette will be so outlined it won't matter what you're wearing. Now I just need to do something about my jet black Mathews bow.
I know I’m late on this subject but it’s wild how people think wearing a certain camo makes them invisible when deer don’t really rely on their eyes like that. But people will do what they do
I just buy based on performance. If it's camo fine but I don't agree that once you buy one article from a certain company you have to buy everything from them to match. I have a couple Sitka items and a bunch of other stuff, some camo some solid. I certainly don't wear all camo all the time but I also don't exclude it just because now I want to be all solid either. I'll wear camo when it's not hunting season if it's something I want to wear, don't really care what others think.
Comfort and durability is most important. I’ve been just as successful in solids as I have in camo. Camo just looks cool, even as daily wear in my part of the country. 😂
I bought the entire stratus system and the incinerator bibs from sitka. Then realized opening archery season here in Arkansas starts in September. 80 degrees etc. Was not about to wear that stuff out there in that temp through the small mountains we have. Just isn't safe health wise and it's a lot of extra weight. So I said screw it. I'm wearing a pair of dark green LL bean hiking lightweight hiking pants and a green dark blue brown flannel and a ball cap. Shot an 8 point buck from 27 yards with my bow. These animals don't give a shit about our brand loyalty or patterns. My little sister shot a bow roughly 30 yards a few years back in normal regular Jean shorts and a Chicago bears t shirt......blew my freaking mind. I still wear my sitka when it's super cold but I'm changing out all camo for normal everyday hiking gear clothing etc. Plus if I want to wear the stuff on a normal hike or caving or just out to dinner somewhere then I can and won't look out of the box at an abnormal rate. I totally agree 10000%. Don't buy the hype like it did and spend a few grand on brand names such as sitka for it to only trap you into 1 specific time frame within a vast hunting season. Stretch your dollar and buy normal every day clothing you can use elsewhere as well. Very well done video and advice. 👏
It is marketing and try to be in ''the club''. I am rifle hunter so camo for me is not needed. I don't even use a blind, just stay quiet and around 100 yards from your target and you are good to go.
Exactly man, camo is awesome I love it but it’s not necessary, if you can’t get past the thought of wearing solids hunting get yourself a flannel jacket or something, most of them are cheaper and Flannel is just as good at camouflaging you as all these high dollar camo companies patterns, I love camo, but I’m not gonna spend a fortune on it, a cheap pair of pants from Walmart and a Flannel jacket or a regular coat with a flannel or camo vest will do you just fine, a lot of your popular camo patterns aren’t worth crap anyway because at any distance it doesn’t break up your silhouette.
Totally agree with solids for big game. Camo is for the birds! Literally and figuratively. Also, new subscriber here, I appreciate the mix of hunting and backpacking mix I have found!
The only camo clothing I own is outerwear. I have three jackets. I also own a couple of hats and a pair of gloves. Essentially 5 items. Total cost was $1000, spent over the course of 5 years. Camo from head to toe, and all three layers of it makes no sense to me. You do want your pattern to be a little broken up, but looking like a tier 1 operator makes no sense to me.
Over the last 20 years camouflage has become about vanity. My girlfriend's ass looks good in this pattern or I look like a stud wearing this they say camouflage is a lifestyle I've heard all of it I think it's funny I think you're spot on . Companies have also made the products cheaper and cheaper by sacrificing quality and workmanship by sending it to China. The US textile industry has died off to nothing. Trutimber is in South Carolina and has been able to keep producing 🇺🇸 products. I know I went down the rabbit hole. Anyway I agree with you 💯 %
@EmoryByLand I see it every year at SHOT SHOW and all the trade shows I work. It's funny to see these people. Full disclosure I like camouflage I think it is a very useful tool but it's gotten out of hand. Lol. Peace ✌️
I dont hunt much. More hikung these days. Solids are better. And old greens German moleskine pants last forever. Got a tan and green pair. As weekend gear theyll last forever. Sometimes I wear them shopping they arent even noticed
hunters 50 years ago killed deer in flannel patterns smoking cigs and drinking beer all the while standing by a tree or sitting in a wooden ladder stand 10 ft off the ground.
I am surprised to hear that so many US-Americans are into expensive brands with their distinctive camouflage patterns when being out hunting in the woods. Many animals don’t see as well as they do smell. But yeah, looking “cool” seems to matter a lot for those kind of hunters 😉
Guilty of the weird "Mix-n-Match" look. That said, won a Mexican stand-off/stare-down at 30 yds with a 6X6 for over a minute in my geeky mix-n-match while bowhunting,...one hour later I was hangin' quarters. Great advice though,...especially for my rifle hunts!
What’s even worse is the stupid “pink camo” they market to women. I don’t wear camo hunting for a lot of reasons and one of them is that their marketing and fit/functionality for women is the pits. I’d rather be comfortable and not look like some hunting Barbie.
If you want to be close…camo works better: my opinion based on first hand experience. P.S. You’re generalizing based on “your” pocketbook. No, no need for singular brand purchasing or most expensive. For the novice hunter, I’d encourage mix, match, do whatever is best for you. If you’re planning to rifle hunt, wear a clown outfit….it’s all about scent and wind. Plan to overcome a wild animals senses up close and personal….you better get scientific!
@@phillipnunya6793 it’s really interesting stuff. Hooved animals like deer and elk can maybe see green and probably don’t see brown. Check out the articles I link to in my original article byland.co/blog/2017/12/11/3-reasons-you-should-consider-quitting-camouflage
Weird video....Who tf wears camo hiking? Backpacked over 1500 miles easily and have never once seen a serious person wear fucking camo haha. That should be the only point in this video. Want to not get shot? Don't wear camo.
I think you're paying less for pattern than the wide variety of specialty materials that are primarily geared towards various climates. Much of what you say, particularly marketing, is accurate, but you're paying for the technology of moisture wickening, insulation, the features like pit or thigh vents, and all that shit that gives you comfort and flexibility. Does pattern make a difference isn't as straight forward as you make it sound. Are you comparing an a clunky modern white man to Native Americans hunting? Also factor in, there's infinitely more people and natural intrusion that factor in. I've seen plenty of videos of all kind of camo patterns set against many backgrounds in both human and deer vision (or presumed deer vision) and there are absolutely patterns that damn near disappear, especially into a deer's vision. Yes, movement makes more of a difference. Want to bet your dinner that camo makes zero difference (if you choose wisely). And in the SE US, our kills are usually close range. That said....The reality is camo is better for hiding from people. Most hunters use stands and blinds in the east, making what you're wearing pretty damn irrelevant.
Who cares about wearing your hunting clothes around town? That's dumb. I wear them to my treestand, and back home. Not the gas station, not to a friend's house, etc... my clothes are kept seperate, and in a seperate room with my hunting stuff, I spray them with scent killer, and don't wash them in the washing machine. You should play the wind, but if you want clothes to wear around town, buy some for that. And who changes their camo every year? I mix and match, but have used the same camos for probably ten years and have killed dozens of deer, mostly up close with a bow.
Despite the fact that I've been weening myself off of modern camo for different reasons, I'm going to disagree a bit here. For the record, hunters have always used camo. Native Americans used animal skins and/or brush. Old timers used plaid & earthtone bottoms. First off, it's good to have hunting specific gear. Camo is a good way to instantly identify the gear you hunt with as opposed to the gear you hike with. I wear full camo base layers. Why? Nobody's ever going to see them, right? However, when it comes time to wash them, I won't mix them up with my hiking base layers which are solids (gray or black or polypro tan). So...I won't be washing my camo baselayers in regular washing detergent with UV brighteners and I won't be washing my hiking base layers in de-scenting hunting detergent. Same goes with my gloves, hats, masks, neck gaiters, etc..; Like The Offspring says, "You gotta keep 'em separated!" I've been moving towards traditional old school gear now like plaid Mackinaws and canvas logging pants (which are still technically camo because they checkerboarding pattern breaks up the human form and the red contrast is apparent to human eyes, but to deer, reds are just shades of grays & greens). I also use earth tones like browns for my wool anoraks or for my extreme winter hunting overcoat which is a shearling, gray. I'll still Larp in my camo from time to time I'm sure like in warmer conditions I'm sure, but I'm still using the mixed Walmart Mossy Oak/Realtree gear I got in a trade for some Boy Scout manuals a decade ago. They still work and cost me $10 for a pair of pants, a couple of long sleeve t-shirts, a hoodie and a jacket. If I had to buy it all new today, it'd still be well under 75 bucks. I won't wear blue jeans or cotton into the field. I stick with wools as much as I can (baselayer, midlayer, overcoat, socks, briefs, gloves, hat, face gaiter, etc...). That's the real game changer right there. It doesn't retain human odor, it's super warm even when wet, it's super-breathable and most importantly besides being comfortable, it's quiet. 1.2 billion sheep can't be wrong. As far as costs goes, I think expensive hunting gear is worth it, not that I'd every pay for it. I prefer getting my stuff at thrift stores anyway and I don't use it outside of hunting. If I were telling someone today how to start out, I'd tell them to go to Walmart or Sportsman's guide and to get the cheapest camo gear they could find, but to be prepared to wash it every week. Then they could evolve from there depending on what their particular needs are. And camo does work. It's purpose is to break up the human form to make it difficult for deer to discern a human outline from the rest of the woods. Solids are the worst thing to wear because then you're a big blob. For those hunting from ground blinds or tree stands or shooting houses, it doesn't matter what they wear. Camo is for those of us who hunt on the ground.
@@EmoryByLand yes, if you live somewhere with higher population, and hunting pressure. After so many dummies get busted looking like a human it doesn't much for them to learn. Maybe less population, and hunting pressure, solids are fine, they don't know any better. At the end of the day, scent, and movement are key, but not looking like a human standing there can't hurt.
I thought the purpose of Camo, regardless of pattern, was to break up your profile so you appear as shapeless blotches rather than a large solid 'thing."
Minimizing or slowing down your movements is the best camo, and it really isn’t close!!
Camo is for companies to make huge profits on their cheaply made garments off of hunters thinking they need camo👍🏻
Probably. But my Kuiu Yukon is incredibly durable, more so than a simple rain jacket. And its waterproofness is the best you can buy. I live in the PNW, both of those things are worth every penny to me.
As a rifle hunter, 1000% agree with everything you mentioned. As an archery hunter, having had deer/elk stare me down at 20 yds or less many times and not spook, feel like camo may have made a difference. Hard to know for sure...
Totally possible!
Definitely hard to know when it comes to big game hunting, though I think I'll be keeping my camo around for when I'm chasing waterfowl
@@davidtetrick6664 Waterfowl are a totally different thing. I think their eyes are far better. I think it's pretty proven that camo is a must for birds, but I'm not a bird guy so I'd defer to the experts.
@@EmoryByLand Waterfowl are absolutely different, and speaking of birds, how did I forget about turkeys! But I think you're absolutely right that big game are different, and from the little I know about this stuff (only started hunting a few years ago) I really wish I had picked more solid color products when I started out and only got a few camo pieces for specialized use.
I agree! Face to face with wind in my favor and my eyes downcast, I’ve been motionless and a seemably harmless object…till you open your eyes and make eye contact. In that moment you can see realization of “threat” strike them….”Itttt, itsssa HU HU HUMMMMANNN!!!!!!” Next blink they’re gone!!!
A pair of Kuiu pants: $200+
A pair of surplus OCP or M81 pattern pants: $20
I spent a good amount of time blaming a poor September archery hunt on the deer not “liking” my pants. My wife completely understood when I framed it in this way. This year, I have nice set of solid Kuhl pants to see if the deer like better 👍🏻
Nice!
Was in the Army for 22 years, have gone through 4 different types of field uniforms. Best one yet was the OG107’s , plane OD Green uniform blended best , especially in motion. I could see units moving 1-200 yd’s a way but some one at that same distance in OG107’s was much harder to detect. 1-509th ABN Opfor.
Geronimo!! lol
The function of the fabric is the first thing I look for, I don't really care it the camo matches or not. Kuiu outlet or camofire are my go to places for new clothing. Staying in the shadows is the best camo pattern!
Only Camo you ever really need is a leafy suit and balaclava. However, hunting is an activity with specific requirements, and Camo companies cater to those things. You can buy a jansport backpack at Walmart to take with you into the woods, and then to school, but the pack designed for hunting is obviously going to be a better option. Similarly, Camo companies have complete layering systems that address the specific condition hunters find themselves in. A Patagonia wool pullover isn’t going to do well in the turkey woods rubbing up against tree bark. Great for a hike though. Also, buying a whole new wardrobe of solid colored garments contradicts your money saving point. Just use the Camo you already got. Which does work btw. And also looks cool.
I gave up camo a few years ago., started going with tan colors, or greys, earth tone stuff. Lot anti hunters here and I got. Less dirty looks in earth tones and I didn't worry about. My jeep being damaged by a anti hunter. Now last 2 years iv just hunted in a red plaid jacket and tan carhards or blue jeans. Haven't noticed my success rate go down, and I'm a 90% of the time a spot n stalk hunter. Only time I don't do the jeans now is if I'm doing a week or two back country, then I go with Earth tone hiking gear,. Camo is just there for company's to hunt the hunters wallet. Just my two cents. Red plaid and jeans this year got me 4 bucks 1 moose, 1 bear, countless rabbits and around 20 coyotes.
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You only discuss name brand camouflage. You did not cover surplus camo, like Britsh DPM and German Flektarn. Some of that comes in a great price point and is multi-use.
This is what I do.. I think the Flecktarn in particular is really good. Killed a 9 point back last year during archery season from a low tree stand that looked me right in the face at 20 yards and still came in closer. Playing the wind, staying motionless and quiet and covering your face is much more important IMO. Would never spend the money on Sitka and First Lite and all that BS
I think you make some great points.
I think it makes a difference when hunting in the east vs west. In the east (at least my area) we get pretty close to the animals.
I don’t mind mixing my camo patterns. And like some of the other commentators, I shop the clearance racks for my hunting gear. I rarely pay full price.
Thanks man!
I've always mixed my camo.
Camo for me isn't so much for the animal I'm hunting but to stay hidden from other hunters. Especially on public land cuz there's those hunters that seek out other hunters in the hopes they are on an animal and shoot it before you. Seen this soo many times.
That sounds terrifying. You must be American? In Canada all Canadian provinces all require hunters to wear significant amounts of blaze orange so other hunters WILL see you! In order to avoid tragedies. We do have 10% more land than the U.S. with 1/10th of your population, so things are dramatically less crowded… but still!
@@mr_cleaner_upper8645 The law depends on who owns the land and what state. We have hunting clubs with no rules, but despite how much some people pay to be a member, there are asshole who will steal someone else's deer. I've even heard some folks say they had their kill snatched before they could get to it (or find it if it didn't drop upon impact). On State property, we're required to wear blaze orange. Honestly I think the best use for camo is to hide from other people because at the race these lunatics running the country with ideology and socialist agendas, we may need it one day.
The problem I have with non-hunting brands is a vast majority of them are really noisy, even many of the hunting brands have noisy apparel.
Some, not all.
I was raised on a small farm back in the 70's. Dad and i hunted alot. I always wore OD green and various camo patterns, and even put on face paint. Dad always hacked on me. He wore a white Tee shirt and blue pants. He always took more rabbits, squirrel, deer and ducks than i did. When we got to the edge of the woods when hunting deer or squirrel - Dad always took off his shoes and hunted in his sock feet. I never knew anyone else who did that. I still hunt and fish occasionally. I just turned 60. Lost Dad a couple years ago. I had on a camo jungle hat as i held his hand during his final hours. I still wear camo when i hunt and fish. More to get me in the mood i think than anything. And i can still hear the ole Man laughing at me when i do ! Lol
Thanks so much for sharing your history AND the stories of your Dad. I lost mine Dad in 2020 and can appreciate your sentiments.
Your the first person to say this, and this is how I feel. Often times I throw on camo so it gets me all hyped to go hunt, and seems like it makes the whole trip/experience more fun for me. It may sound silly, but before, my camo clothes I didn’t see them as clothes, I see them as my hunting gear. And I convinced myself to buy the best cuss I like to have the best gear when doing outdoor sports.
But everything said in this video, I’ve thought about, especially when buying some of my Sitka stuff, and I agree with everything said in this video. Recently, I started buying more solid colors and i have to say it’s partly due to price, a part of me wants to spend the money if I know that I can wear it to the range or out fishing etc, and not just use this gear for a few weeks a year for hunting. Like a tool I feel I’ll use more often, justifies me buying the better brand tool, than a tool im just using once, I’ll get harbor freight. I knew it was silly of me to spend the amount I have on my camo, but after watching this video, it really confirmed and drilled in the points made in this video even further than when I thought about these points myself, having buyers remorse knowing I’ve spent too much on camo and knowing I got suckered into the Sitka marketing, buying 3 of the same jacket (jetstream) in 3 different camo patterns. 😢
@@00ninja00 I went fishing for the first time this year yesterday. I wore my camouflage pants and jungle hat. And even took an old set of ALICE gear I've been putting together over the winter. I probably really didn't need it, but I thought wearing it on the walk from the truck to my fishing spot would be a good first "real" test for it. And who knows, I might just of needed the AK-47 bayonet I have on it to defend myself from a rabid snapping turtle LoL ! My son wore his favorite jungle hat too, and carried a woodland ALICE pack with his gear in it. But I guess the fish spotted us anyway- we didn't catch anything ! We did have a good drive and walk in the country though. And that's the main reason we go anyway. We did notice several other guys and girls wearing OD green, tan and various camouflage. Blue seems to be catching on around here for fishing. When I catch some on sale, I just might pick some up. LoL. But yeah, I've realized I mainly wear my camo to get me in the outdoor mood. And, it does hold up pretty good out there. I've got some hats and gear that is 20+ years old.
@@shadowwolf9503 as long as you had fun and spent time with your son. That’s the most important part. The best hunting trips for me were the trips I did with my father even if we didn’t get anything.
I’ve never been the type to go after trophy animals. I started hunting just to spend time with my father, didn’t matter if I get anything or not. Didn’t think that it would rub off on me. Now even after my father has been gone for over a decade, I still go hunt in the old spots just because that’s where I learned to hunt with my father. I never thought that a lot of the things my father taught me and things he liked would be ingrained in me for the rest of my life. I buy Sitka because that’s what my father wore and liked. I wear it to fish now too because, why not? It’s so expensive, might as well use it more often. And I totally understand where you’re coming from, as I do the same. When I start dressing to go fish or hunt in my camo, it helps get me in “the mode” and I enjoy just being out wether or not I get anything. I don’t have kids yet, but I hope my kids will hunt and fish with me, and when I’m gone, maybe they’ll continue the hobby, and maybe wearing the same camo brand or hunting/ fishing a certain way and certain location, will rub off on my kids and stick with them to pass onto their kids. Thanks for sharing your story.
I have been doing this for years. I buy shirts/ jackets and pants that are multi color in the base color of the area I am in and dirty it up some or just bury myself in the foliage when I get there so the base color just looks like dirt under it.
For winter I just buy a cheap XXL or XXXL white shirt and dirty it up depending on how much snow is on the ground or if I am in a wooded area and wear that over my nice winter gear I wear every other day. Pants I just have waterproof woodland camo ones that are very for lack of a better word, yarny, and snow sticks to them some and I bury them in the snow when I stop.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing!
Emory, I totally agree with what you say in this video. Plus, who wants to look like you pinched your grandma's old curtains to go hunting in! After gun shops being full of camo gear for years now, there has been a significant move away from camo here in the UK in the past few years.
Also solids can be worn anywhere..like in town without looking like some urban guerrilla! More money saved as clothes are not hanging in your closet for most of the year. You get your moneys worth from them.
Agreed!
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Agreed. I wear mostly grey and tan wool sweaters with brown or grey pants, so I get my use out of them.
I feel embarrassed to say that I’ve never spent $200 on a pair of pant for daily wear. But I went and bought multiple $200+ pant from name brand hunting companies . Nor have I bought a long sleeve t-shirt for over $100 for daily wear but have many from the 3 big name hunting clothing company (S,K,FL). After buying, kinda got buyers remorse, so started to wear them to the range and out fishing year round.
I like the ASAT leaf suit. It’s mesh and goes over everything so hardly matters what I wear underneath it. Saves me $$ in the long run
That’s a great idea
I’ve went full circle. Sold all my kuiu gear and now using seeland, looks very smart and traditional for me being British, changed my rifle from being obsessed with shooting deer beyond 500 to a single shot blaser k95 and I am going back to basics, stalk, hunt properly, get close… much more enjoyable. I hunt as a hobby, so why not enjoy it??
Excellent point! Number one priority is enjoying it! 👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
I'm new to hunting, but I've done a lot of bass fishing. The whole camo selection thing for deer hunting sounds very similar to the debate of what color worm do bass prefer? Does color/pattern matter? Yes, but maybe not as much as we lead ourselves to believe and certainly not as much as other details. In the end, I guess its about what each person finds to work for their own technique and that brings confidence.
Probably exactly the same concept!
I wear a mix of solids and camo. Earth tone solids and maybe a camo vest and or hat. The purpose of camo is and always has been to break up and outline, not mask movement.
One reason I still buy some camo garments is because sometimes it's just easier to find a wind and water resistant garment that adds insulation without to much bulk from a camo company.
That said I have taken deer wear work clothes smelling like diesel fuel.
He'll yea
I agree with you on drab colors. Camo is the most useful when hunting birds, primarily waterfowl, turkey, dove, etc. Even the I use old military surplus camo, and it has never failed me. You are right, It is about marketing. The prices on some of the brands you mentioned is outrageous. It is almost like they are marketing towards the elite. The working man would have to max out his credit to buy some of that stuff. Good video.
Dude...10000% Hunting has become some weird elitist activity now where, to be considered a "real hunter" you have to spend thousands on some line of camo. Also...you can't get a sponsor if you don't wear something easily recognizable, right?
Thanks for the comment!
@@EmoryByLand Yes, it is that way, and no problem. I see everything you said happening all around me. I'm glad you made the video. I don't know if a lot of people are covering it, but you did. It needs to be talked about. I grew up hunting, and am an avid outdoorsman. It's turned into some weird, greedy perversion of all the good honest work, yet fun times I had learning how to hunt, being taught everything by my father. It can be damaging to young people that want to put their own food on the table, but feel like they can't afford to get started. Sorry for the rant, but I'm always preaching " You don't need that. Your shirt doesn't need to cost more than your gun"!
Growing all my uncles and dad and grand dad all just hunting green or grey walls coveralls they got at Walmart they all stacked up deer every year
I don't care to total match camo patterns, I'm usually wearing a hodge podge of different patterns. It's much easier to find better quality clothes in some camo pattern or the other, bigger selection and availability. Sometimes it seems camo may work others it seems like it's a loud speaker. Most of my stuff is bought in outlets, closeouts, or good sales.
Yep, pretty much agree 100%.
Couple things I might add:
1) I buy the piece of clothing, not the color or pattern.
2) As a guy in the, ehem, "extended sizes", most of what I _can_ buy that is appropriate for hunting (lightweight, water resistant, breathable) is actually in camo and is very often discounted.
3) I mix and match camo patterns from different companies and solids all day long. Some companies might refer to this as "macro patterning" 😂
4) the only thing I avoid are bright colors, be they green, red, blue, whatever. If predator hunting, I don't bring anything that's not an earth tone or black.
All of my shots are inside of 150 yards. 99% of those are inside of 25 yards. Gotta be honest here - my 2020 deer was at 3 yards and was close enough that I got some "splash-back" from the entrance wound 😬 . My success rate is near 100% and I truly attribute this to hunting solo, moving extremely quietly, using the terrain and hunting pressure to my advantage, and paying very close attention to the wind.
Thanks for the input!
I’m not getting rid of my camo, just saving it for turkey and waterfowl. Slowly replacing mid quality camo (Kings) with high quality non camo backpacking/mountaineering brands for roughly the same cost. Use the better quality solids for Wyoming mountain hunting. Good video.
Birds a a totally different story.
Thanks for watching!
When I'm in a stand I usually have 3 or 4 different kinds of camo on.
I don't really care if they match, just wear what is comfy.
I agree totally but my exception is turkey hunting. I don't use blinds or decoys and I need to be invisible.
As Dexter said...."Camouflage is Nature's Craftiest Trick".
100%.! Birds are a different story.
I agree and disagree. Me personally I buy the hight quality I can afford from various companies Sales. If isn’t on sale I usually don’t buy it. I mix and match Camo’s and solids all the time. The type of materials and technology built into the pieces are important to me along with Camo patterns that disturb the eye and don’t stick out. I hung in the high desert mountains of the SW and I also don’t want to stick out to game or other people. Dark colors, blobs, regular clothes, and /or the human shape Do stick out, along with movement.
That said many of the clothing designs are a fashion statement and people are brand loyalties. I will Not purchase from a anti-hunting or anti-2A company ( Levi’s, Yeti, Starbucks, ect. )
Yes I try to do research before buying from companies, along with trying to support made in the USA products.
I'm transitioning from camp to solid pants and camo to squared brownish grayish an so it's a lot easier to find and broader options a lot less expensive too
I will still buy camo if it fits my eyes just for the glamour of it but don't see it necessary to for the hunting aspect of it
Good on ya!
The most effective camo I've ever seen is the stuff worn by the deer in my yard. They just sort of blend in to almost anything. I've wondered for decades why military uniforms aren't the color of deer fur. Way back in the day, buying camo meant going to the army surplus store and getting woodland camo outfit for next to nothing. Now I see camo suits that want $300.00 for a pair of pants? All said, the price of camo has gone insane, and all those fancy patterns, any scientific proof it really works? My take is properly wash/treat your clothes with UV killer and you are set to go with any dull earth tones or even olive drab.
Oh I’m right there with ya. Deer have a great camo situation that’s hard to comprehend.
I think the “science” is based on how humans perceive what works and what doesn’t. Wind and movement prevail always though.
You're not paying for fancy patterns, that's just marketing. You're paying $200 for a pair of pants for the insulation, water/wind proofing, vent pockets, moisture wickening. Clothes you can wear in a wide range of temperatures. You're paying for technology. I have nothing against an old pair of BDUs, but they don't do shit to keep you warm.
Does this apply to black chest rigs and harnesses that don’t have a camo patterns and also aren’t a solid green color as a well?
That’s a very specific question. I’ll retain my position that movement and smell come before color.
Camo does nothing for you as far as hunting animals go. I've hunted in blue jeans and a T shirt most of my life and always have taken game! There is one reason however for Camo and that is for evading other humans in that area Camo can be an absolute blessing and with where the country seems to be going I wouldn't ditch it all!
There are more affordable brands and options in patterns that are more versatile. I'm also thinking a guillie style covering probably would be best for most static positions.
I switched to solids for all of these exact reasons! I spent a pile of money on high quality outdoor gear, I wanted to use it when I’m not hunting. I’ve been within 60 yards of elk in non camo gear, I was downwind of them, held still, and was quiet. Those are the 3 biggest factors of not being detected, not what “macro and micro” patterns were on my clothes.
Bingo!
Solid color pants are definitely the way to go. However, I do like having camo above the waist for better outline break up. And when you add birds like turkey or waterfowl into the mix you definitely want something in camo.
Camo for birds is legit. I’m on board with that!
Another option for outline breakup is wearing plaid
@@EmoryByLand you definitely make some very good points in the video. Many of which I agree with. It’s clear many are implementing more solids. Myself included. Because many companies are introducing more solid colored gear.
@@slaydeday5677 Kinda crazy how quickly that happened yeah? I think brands are waking up to the idea of camo not being the ONLY thing people want. Have a good one bud!
@@EmoryByLand They can also branch out from hunting that way. I don't want to wear camo while I'm hiking, but for some things, hunting companies can outdo hiking specific gear. For example, my Kuiu Pro pack is solid color and pulls double duty - Heavy duty enough to haul meat, but at under 4 pounds, light enough for the Appalachian Trial. Meanwhile, backpackers are spending the same amount of money on a pack that saves 1 pound, but has a miniscule weight limit.
Camo was cool as a kid! My main hunting jacket now days is bright blue plaid haha
haha!
Honestly i just stopped wearin camo sense i was a kid i just hunt in blue jeans and whatever color shirt i want n grey jacket
good points, i will just want to add camo vs hunting technology are different comparisons. hunting pants can be made for thick shrubbery to resist tears, thorns, etc. the prana pants you mentioned are too thin for some environments.
Thanks! And I agree. Gotta pick the right tool for the job. Busting brush with something not so durable will be an issue. Thanks for checking out the video!
Yes! Good light brown top/ bottom or green/green combo in really any brand is fine! One could go to friggin Target and walk out with a hunting outfit for less than $100!
True!
I stopped pondering camo patterns the day I bought an ASAT leafy suit. (But I will also wear regular beige and gray clothes.)
A ton of people love that ASAT camo pattern. Not a bad way to go!
Very good points! Am also have been in that same mind set. I like being able to go somewhere before or after a hunt and not advertise that I am a hunter. It also seems like a status symbol…. I am such a dedicated hunter or I have some much $ that I can buy all this Kuiu, Sitka etc. its all marketing, like you say. If I do want some concealment I have a 3D ASAT suit, that I will toss in my pack. Doesn’t take up much room, deploys really fast and is super effective. Plus not crazy expensive😁
Well said!
My uncle has been hunting for 45+ years now and not once used a camo.
Ngl, only looking into camo for the pure aesthetic. However I don’t want to buy something too thick not classified as winter. Since I primarily hunt in the Mojave desert.
Yep...camo isn't necessary. Thanks for chiming in!
What’s the idea with solids/camo and a orange vest? Is the vest for when your moving about and you take it off when your stalking or does it stay on permanently? I’m from the U.K.
Sorry for the delay here. Just now seeing this. Orange worn so you're visible to other hunters as a safety mechanism. If the area or season you're hunting in requires orange, you wear it all the time no matter what.
I mix and match my camo and not worry about it. I don't wear it as a fashion statement.
The only reason I may buy something pricey, such as Badlands, it I like the quality of the clothing, it's made to last...
Some if it is buy once, cry once.
works for me!
So true. I went to the wrangler outdoor gear that you show on one of your vids. Only if they could make a camo the was sent proof. Causenin the end thats what gets you.👍👍👍
Just bought myself another pair recently!
If you use your hunting clothes as every day wear, don't you have sent control issues?
I do like the idea of saving money.
Scent control is an issue regardless of how much you wear something. You’ll never get rid of it which is why being aware of wind is key.
We cut out fragrance from everything we use, only use Branch basics for laundry too. I’ve noticed a huge difference in that. It’s crazy how the artificial fragrance added to products clings on.
If you are bow hunter here is the trick.... leafy hoodies/jackets or ghillie jackets and a leafy hat/ ghillie hat.
Its the only thing I wear that is camo and .... Im almost completely camo'd out.... with just solid pants... Elk season - leafy hoodie and a merino wool t shirt.... and pants.... winter - Merino wool hoodie, puffy vest and leafy hoodie .... and I m good to go...
North Mountain Gear / Mossy Oak .... and I just have random solids from green - brown grey.... its covered with my leafy cover...
Camo DOES help, but it must be just a tool & not relied on 100% I make my own starting with base tone regular clothes and use rit dye to add shadow & bleach to draw distinction & create visual disruption. Breaking up human outline is what I'm after 1st and 2nd I'm trying to blend myself as close as possible with natural baseline vegetation.
Thanks for your input!
Thanks so much for your video and case. I've been thinking a ton about this lately as I'm entering the Pronghorn archery game and though I usually use Cabela's gear, my strata pattern is A) going to stand out in the Nebraska grasslands and B) be way too hot... so I was looking at KUIU Verde tec stuff but part of me is like, should I just get some Khaki gear that I can use while fishing hot days or spot and stalking deer in CRP too? I dunno....I'm trying to better learn how pronghorn see but the videos I've seen, other hunters, even in camo seem to stand out in grasslands like...well...hunters. I've heard pronghorn have vision like 10x binoculars, so concealment is doubly important but curious about your thoughts on solids in open country vs breaking up your form with camo...?
Boy, I don't know. I hear the same things about pronghorn and even sheep, but I STILL see videos of people taking them in the wide open with even a trad bow so.....something doesn't add up. I'm obviously no expert in that species, but do thing logic plays a role. It has to be more about positioning and wind rather than some camo pattern. If I were going down that road, I'd go with a lighter color from Kuiu or that brown color from First Lite and if you're REALLY seeing a massive issue with gettin busted, then toss a camo top on over your outer layer.
I've also been considering the benefits to wearing lighter colored solids that allow for natural shadows and light to play on it better than a darker color. Take a cougar for example...that color allows them to use the natural fall of shadows and light to cover up their outline wheras if they were darker in color, they'd just end up being a blob. Same goes for how incredible deer and elk are at blending in even as solid colored creatures for the most part.
Something to think about!
@@EmoryByLand awesome point about how well those animals blend in despite solid colors. Thanks for your response and ideas! Your comment about light and shadow got me thinking...and this may be obvious for more experienced open country hunters but ...light positioning ... That lighter color may be more solid and reflective than camo, but if matching the tone of the environment, I'll bet as a hunter you disappear pretty quick if light is in front of you. If the light is behind you... your silhouette will be so outlined it won't matter what you're wearing. Now I just need to do something about my jet black Mathews bow.
Great points!
I know I’m late on this subject but it’s wild how people think wearing a certain camo makes them invisible when deer don’t really rely on their eyes like that. But people will do what they do
Stone glacier got it figured out. Such a good video because it’s true. It’s a racket
Yeah buddy!
So this is from a hunting perspective? Or is this like a tactical/recon/SERE perspective
Hunting specific
I just buy based on performance. If it's camo fine but I don't agree that once you buy one article from a certain company you have to buy everything from them to match. I have a couple Sitka items and a bunch of other stuff, some camo some solid. I certainly don't wear all camo all the time but I also don't exclude it just because now I want to be all solid either. I'll wear camo when it's not hunting season if it's something I want to wear, don't really care what others think.
Comfort and durability is most important. I’ve been just as successful in solids as I have in camo. Camo just looks cool, even as daily wear in my part of the country. 😂
Right on
I bought the entire stratus system and the incinerator bibs from sitka. Then realized opening archery season here in Arkansas starts in September. 80 degrees etc. Was not about to wear that stuff out there in that temp through the small mountains we have. Just isn't safe health wise and it's a lot of extra weight. So I said screw it. I'm wearing a pair of dark green LL bean hiking lightweight hiking pants and a green dark blue brown flannel and a ball cap. Shot an 8 point buck from 27 yards with my bow. These animals don't give a shit about our brand loyalty or patterns. My little sister shot a bow roughly 30 yards a few years back in normal regular Jean shorts and a Chicago bears t shirt......blew my freaking mind. I still wear my sitka when it's super cold but I'm changing out all camo for normal everyday hiking gear clothing etc. Plus if I want to wear the stuff on a normal hike or caving or just out to dinner somewhere then I can and won't look out of the box at an abnormal rate. I totally agree 10000%. Don't buy the hype like it did and spend a few grand on brand names such as sitka for it to only trap you into 1 specific time frame within a vast hunting season. Stretch your dollar and buy normal every day clothing you can use elsewhere as well. Very well done video and advice. 👏
Love it! Thanks for sharing!
Sit still and cover your scent as much as possible. I've had deer get in shooting distance doing that no camo
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I just want to say Thank you Sir! 👍💯
What camo are you wearing on the thumbnail?
The original Kuiu Verde
I turned to solids a couple years ago..extend the use of my gear.
It is marketing and try to be in ''the club''. I am rifle hunter so camo for me is not needed. I don't even use a blind, just stay quiet and around 100 yards from your target and you are good to go.
Exactly man, camo is awesome I love it but it’s not necessary, if you can’t get past the thought of wearing solids hunting get yourself a flannel jacket or something, most of them are cheaper and Flannel is just as good at camouflaging you as all these high dollar camo companies patterns, I love camo, but I’m not gonna spend a fortune on it, a cheap pair of pants from Walmart and a Flannel jacket or a regular coat with a flannel or camo vest will do you just fine, a lot of your popular camo patterns aren’t worth crap anyway because at any distance it doesn’t break up your silhouette.
Totally agree with solids for big game. Camo is for the birds! Literally and figuratively. Also, new subscriber here, I appreciate the mix of hunting and backpacking mix I have found!
New video title 😂
“If you see me in the woods…” - then the camouflage isn’t working! 😂
I match and miss match all the time I buy stuff with potential to use for all hunting, camo dosent hurt. Solids are fine too just get what you want
Thanks for the input!
The only camo clothing I own is outerwear. I have three jackets. I also own a couple of hats and a pair of gloves. Essentially 5 items. Total cost was $1000, spent over the course of 5 years. Camo from head to toe, and all three layers of it makes no sense to me. You do want your pattern to be a little broken up, but looking like a tier 1 operator makes no sense to me.
Makes sense to me. Have you noticed the decline in camo around the industry? Most have moved to solids...
I wear hunting clothes on and off in the town, because it's warm and rugged enough to work outside in it, it's cold where I live in the Winter...
makes sense!
Over the last 20 years camouflage has become about vanity. My girlfriend's ass looks good in this pattern or I look like a stud wearing this they say camouflage is a lifestyle I've heard all of it I think it's funny I think you're spot on .
Companies have also made the products cheaper and cheaper by sacrificing quality and workmanship by sending it to China. The US textile industry has died off to nothing. Trutimber is in South Carolina and has been able to keep producing 🇺🇸 products.
I know I went down the rabbit hole. Anyway I agree with you 💯 %
Welcome to the rabbit hole. Vanity and marketing.
@EmoryByLand I see it every year at SHOT SHOW and all the trade shows I work. It's funny to see these people. Full disclosure I like camouflage I think it is a very useful tool but it's gotten out of hand. Lol.
Peace ✌️
I bet! We are in the same camp. Camo is great and fun, but as you say it’s gotten a bit wild.
I dont hunt much. More hikung these days. Solids are better. And old greens German moleskine pants last forever. Got a tan and green pair. As weekend gear theyll last forever. Sometimes I wear them shopping they arent even noticed
hunters 50 years ago killed deer in flannel patterns smoking cigs and drinking beer all the while standing by a tree or sitting in a wooden ladder stand 10 ft off the ground.
I like millsurp camo cothing like woodland camo
I am surprised to hear that so many US-Americans are into expensive brands with their distinctive camouflage patterns when being out hunting in the woods. Many animals don’t see as well as they do smell. But yeah, looking “cool” seems to matter a lot for those kind of hunters 😉
Explain Tigers and Zebras
Tigers go rawr. Zebras have a weird honking naying sound.
military surplus and walmart real tree works fine for me bruh
Guilty of the weird "Mix-n-Match" look. That said, won a Mexican stand-off/stare-down at 30 yds with a 6X6 for over a minute in my geeky mix-n-match while bowhunting,...one hour later I was hangin' quarters. Great advice though,...especially for my rifle hunts!
Thanks for the input!
My standard late-season outfit is a mix and match of camo bibs, solid sweater, and plaid vest. Probably look ridiculous but it works.
Can game even see you better in non camouflage? Don't they generally see motion better? They don't see like humans do
Motion and smell come before vision so probably not.
They use each sense on every step. Look outta place….they’ll notice!
Camo is a fashion statement unless used in a tactical scenario.
remember that siberian tiger hunt deer and moose in bright Orange and white
I though camo was to hide from other hunters and the game warden
What’s even worse is the stupid “pink camo” they market to women. I don’t wear camo hunting for a lot of reasons and one of them is that their marketing and fit/functionality for women is the pits. I’d rather be comfortable and not look like some hunting Barbie.
If you want to be close…camo works better: my opinion based on first hand experience. P.S. You’re generalizing based on “your” pocketbook. No, no need for singular brand purchasing or most expensive. For the novice hunter, I’d encourage mix, match, do whatever is best for you. If you’re planning to rifle hunt, wear a clown outfit….it’s all about scent and wind. Plan to overcome a wild animals senses up close and personal….you better get scientific!
All hunters wear solids. Solid high viz orange.
People got money. They WANT to spend money and feel certain type of way.
Very true
I don't know a lot about hunting, but I think wearing an obvious orange thing makes wearing naturally colored clothes pointless.
That would be true if deer and elk saw the same colors you and I do, but they do not. Orange to them is a shade of gray.
@@EmoryByLand Really? Interesting. Are they able to see brown and green?
@@phillipnunya6793 it’s really interesting stuff. Hooved animals like deer and elk can maybe see green and probably don’t see brown. Check out the articles I link to in my original article byland.co/blog/2017/12/11/3-reasons-you-should-consider-quitting-camouflage
@@EmoryByLand Thanks for the info. That definitely explains some things.
Deer and elk are colorblind…but they notice movement and unnatural patterns like no tomorrow! Hunter Orange is only meant to easily identify a human.
Mossy oak and real tree sucks
So true!!!
I like to think so!
Weird video....Who tf wears camo hiking? Backpacked over 1500 miles easily and have never once seen a serious person wear fucking camo haha.
That should be the only point in this video. Want to not get shot? Don't wear camo.
👍100% agree with you.
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I think you're paying less for pattern than the wide variety of specialty materials that are primarily geared towards various climates. Much of what you say, particularly marketing, is accurate, but you're paying for the technology of moisture wickening, insulation, the features like pit or thigh vents, and all that shit that gives you comfort and flexibility. Does pattern make a difference isn't as straight forward as you make it sound. Are you comparing an a clunky modern white man to Native Americans hunting? Also factor in, there's infinitely more people and natural intrusion that factor in. I've seen plenty of videos of all kind of camo patterns set against many backgrounds in both human and deer vision (or presumed deer vision) and there are absolutely patterns that damn near disappear, especially into a deer's vision. Yes, movement makes more of a difference. Want to bet your dinner that camo makes zero difference (if you choose wisely). And in the SE US, our kills are usually close range. That said....The reality is camo is better for hiding from people. Most hunters use stands and blinds in the east, making what you're wearing pretty damn irrelevant.
Thanks for the input!
Camo is overated , over marketed & over priced ... vintage duck camo is the best all around every season ever setting camo !
Who cares about wearing your hunting clothes around town? That's dumb. I wear them to my treestand, and back home. Not the gas station, not to a friend's house, etc... my clothes are kept seperate, and in a seperate room with my hunting stuff, I spray them with scent killer, and don't wash them in the washing machine. You should play the wind, but if you want clothes to wear around town, buy some for that. And who changes their camo every year? I mix and match, but have used the same camos for probably ten years and have killed dozens of deer, mostly up close with a bow.
Thanks for chiming in!
I'll wear a hunting jacket to town because it's warm
Despite the fact that I've been weening myself off of modern camo for different reasons, I'm going to disagree a bit here. For the record, hunters have always used camo. Native Americans used animal skins and/or brush. Old timers used plaid & earthtone bottoms.
First off, it's good to have hunting specific gear. Camo is a good way to instantly identify the gear you hunt with as opposed to the gear you hike with. I wear full camo base layers. Why? Nobody's ever going to see them, right? However, when it comes time to wash them, I won't mix them up with my hiking base layers which are solids (gray or black or polypro tan). So...I won't be washing my camo baselayers in regular washing detergent with UV brighteners and I won't be washing my hiking base layers in de-scenting hunting detergent. Same goes with my gloves, hats, masks, neck gaiters, etc..; Like The Offspring says, "You gotta keep 'em separated!"
I've been moving towards traditional old school gear now like plaid Mackinaws and canvas logging pants (which are still technically camo because they checkerboarding pattern breaks up the human form and the red contrast is apparent to human eyes, but to deer, reds are just shades of grays & greens). I also use earth tones like browns for my wool anoraks or for my extreme winter hunting overcoat which is a shearling, gray.
I'll still Larp in my camo from time to time I'm sure like in warmer conditions I'm sure, but I'm still using the mixed Walmart Mossy Oak/Realtree gear I got in a trade for some Boy Scout manuals a decade ago. They still work and cost me $10 for a pair of pants, a couple of long sleeve t-shirts, a hoodie and a jacket. If I had to buy it all new today, it'd still be well under 75 bucks.
I won't wear blue jeans or cotton into the field. I stick with wools as much as I can (baselayer, midlayer, overcoat, socks, briefs, gloves, hat, face gaiter, etc...). That's the real game changer right there. It doesn't retain human odor, it's super warm even when wet, it's super-breathable and most importantly besides being comfortable, it's quiet.
1.2 billion sheep can't be wrong.
As far as costs goes, I think expensive hunting gear is worth it, not that I'd every pay for it. I prefer getting my stuff at thrift stores anyway and I don't use it outside of hunting. If I were telling someone today how to start out, I'd tell them to go to Walmart or Sportsman's guide and to get the cheapest camo gear they could find, but to be prepared to wash it every week. Then they could evolve from there depending on what their particular needs are.
And camo does work.
It's purpose is to break up the human form to make it difficult for deer to discern a human outline from the rest of the woods.
Solids are the worst thing to wear because then you're a big blob.
For those hunting from ground blinds or tree stands or shooting houses, it doesn't matter what they wear. Camo is for those of us who hunt on the ground.
Thanks for the input!
Lol You need to break up the color/pattern
Or do you? 👀
@@EmoryByLand yes, if you live somewhere with higher population, and hunting pressure. After so many dummies get busted looking like a human it doesn't much for them to learn. Maybe less population, and hunting pressure, solids are fine, they don't know any better. At the end of the day, scent, and movement are key, but not looking like a human standing there can't hurt.
Join the army, you get it for free.🇬🇧🇺🇸
I save 💸💰 💷 money by never buying or wearing stupid bright 🍊 orange jackets or hats over camouflage clothing! 😂
Well some pattern camouflages actually work really well
Of course they do.
@@EmoryByLand woodland m81 , cadpat, 3 colour desert, solide coyote tan / brown, OD green, OCP