I have no trouble with hard drives with my Forza mock two. Plenty of aces and short returns. One advantage is I can swing harder than on a power paddle and so I get more topspin on my drives.
I got an email for Daryl yesterday saying, "…our Oni Paddles are scheduled to be de-listed by USAP." They're also offering refunds for anyone who purchased one. Vatic is a small company and this will be a huge hit for them.
I think they saw the more rigorous testing from reviews including cutting the core open and reports of the break in periods. Then Joola marketing talking about the slingshot core and they realized they messed up.
How do you interpret the USAP equipment guide on an 18 month notice of delisting vs the note following it allowing testing parameters to change at USAP discretion
I'm looking at Honolulu Picklelball's Sword & Shield J3K Pro. I love their J2K Pro and J7K Pro paddles. The older Anna Scorpeus is also great and actually measured up well to the new Gen3. Personally, I don't see why the Gen3 Anna was delisted -- I've not experienced any of the problems it supposedly is prone too -- just a nice upgrade from original. I'm keeping my Gen3 for rec play and non-championship matches.
@@gunzorro agree really enjoyed the Gen 3 but just can’t put up with the whining and one mouth, oh using a cheater paddle….I am so use to 14mm paddles, most are 16mm now. Reverted back to an old CRBN 2X 14mm, just miss the pop and power of the Anna Bright Gen 3.
My first paddle was a hybrid shape. Now I'm playing with the Apollo. It only took me about 2 hours to get used to the lower sweet spot. I'm still experimenting with weight to get the plow through I want, though. I like heavier paddles and the sw on the Apollo is pretty low. Overall, I really like the standard shape. I'm playing it as my main paddle, and I plan to continue using it.
I just sold the apollo, I felt it was lacking in most areas vs my volairM2F16. Weighted up and everything, I was disappointed. I was expecting more pop n power as reviewed. Even the spin wasn't noticeably better. Brand new direct, 10 days old.
@@dv8tion388hmm interesting… I just got the Apollo and like the shape, but considering if the M2F is a better paddle. I’ve been wanting to try the M2F.
@@juansantiago1441 I haven't played the M2F16 so I can't compare, but I love the Apollo. Mine has great spin. Day 1 I felt like I could hit it as hard as I wanted with some topspin, and it would stay in. Control felt easy and the pop was great. I've added weight because I like heavier swing weights for volleys and drives.
Recently, I switched from the CRBN 1x and 3x to the Anna Bright Gen3. Everything you said today about advantages, rings true. I haven’t missed many balls by a 1/2” since I made the switch. The paddle is definitely more stable in blocks and resets. My hands are quicker at the net. My friends see the difference in my game. (Maybe some of that is the Gen3…) The one issue - I miss overheads off the tip of the paddle occasionally. I haven’t gotten completely used to the shorter length. I don’t expect to go back to elongated any time soon.
Happy birthday, Chris! I do love playing with the Spartus Apollo. And I have a tennis background. Really helped my game for forgiveness and control. It is not lacking in power and my spin shots are even better with it. I didn’t have any issues switching from my hybrid shaped paddle which I’ve been using for a year to the Apollo. Really also has helped a lot with hands battles. Definitely moving faster than with my hybrid.
I would actually suggest an elongated to a new player. They have less wrist control. I feel like elongated drag more which make it easier to hit drops and dinks. With a standard it whips quicker causing more miss hits.
All my paddles i own are elongated or hybrid because im short and want that extra reach. I find myself wanting to swap to a standard shape but not sure which one to try first.
If the USAP didn't do adequate testing initially, approved the paddles, then tested more rigorously and delisted the paddles, it seems to me that they are at fault not the manufacturers. To me this is signaling they are incompetent as a regulatory body. Unless there was wrongdoing or gross negligence on the part of the paddle companies, USAP should be paying refunds and the cost of making customers whole.
The big question is another one - what is normal wear and tear and when does a paddle become illegal, based on the fact that by use it's changing the properties? Cause let's be honest, looks like what some makers tried is some kind of planned delamination, right? And if the paddle brand new has some properties, you use it for 2 weeks let's say and now the properties has changed should it still be legal?
Rules should change based on new conditions and new policies. A paddle approval once given should be capable of being revoked based on new information, better testing technology and new policies in a sport that is evolving growing and changing.
@@joelsinger5069 like USAP was ever in the Dark that the game has been evolving. USAP didn't give manufactures maximum Power range for their paddles. improvisatory practice for an organization that's been around since the 80's is a terrible way to operate. In the end everyone loses. REACTIVE OUTCOME: Paddle companies lose money, lose customers, upset with USAP. USAP upsets Paddle companies and Costumers. Customers are upset with USAP and Paddle Company, costumers loses trust. The easy part for the consumers, the possible research and purchasing a paddle from any retail, the hardest part is letting go of something you have been accustomed to and have to go through hurdles trying to get your money back.
If you listen to the head of UPA on Jilly B’s podcast, it’s clear enough that the governing bodies have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. He talked about the need for “something like” an exit velocity test, but would not or could not indicate when any sort of reasonably objective test might become part of their regular protocol. She asked some absolutely spot-on, penetrating questions and he was like a crippled Fred Astaire trying to limp away from the intent of her questions. It was embarrassing.
You should check out the new neonic flare prime releasing mid july. Long boy handle (5.5 but reallt 5.75 it feels like the handle length on the engage pursuit pro mx) on a standard face and a super poppy 14mm meant to be like a long handle alw or anna bright scorpeus gen 3. Specs are looking like 105 swing weight with 6.8 twist weight and with a couple inches of lead its 107 and 7.3. They are also coming out with a 16mm meant to be still poppier than the volair forza mach 2 (16mm I’m assuming). The neonic flow was a really good hybrid control paddle with a different hybrid face shape so you could probably review all 4 at once the flow and flare in both the thicknesses (prime denoting 14mm)
I can attest to a weak core being a driver of back pain. Fifteen years ago I had a lot of pain and did little core and strength work but after I started doing power yoga regularly and lots of planks and pushups and lifting weights, the pain pretty much vanished.
I loved my Engeage Pursuit pro EX 6.0. It broke so I got the Pro 1 which I love and the TBD Wil... that is growing on me. for me the two handed backhand is a must. Keep up the great work.
Love the phase 1 and phase two testing and transparency suggestion. The issue is the break-in period with these D-list paddles. They pass before they break in.
i started doing the low tomahawk when other teams are baseline, as an alternative to backhand roll/flick. This came after watching another player do a full squat and basically hit an overhead smash from the crouched position. Nevertheless, once you get pretty low to the floor you get a good perspective of where everyone is at, and can adjust the angle of the tomahawk to either hit flat and deep, or angle the ball shallow with big angle. It's very affective if you can squat properly. Then again, ...my ancestors actually picked rice as farmers so i think its in my blood. 😂
Widebody has been a huge plus for my game. As a newbie I was banging away at everything. It’s that way with most male and reasonably fit newbies. To progress I need/needed to develop the soft game. Added bonus is that I have a bad habit of looking up too soon when swinging, so the bigger sweet spot helps a lot.
Re: PT: it’s weird how quick they can find the tightness or weakness that is driving the pain. 30 min with a PT solved a plantar fasciitis issue I’d spent months trying to figure out myself.
I’ve been using hybrid shaped paddles (Six Zero BD, Ruby, Hurache X Control+, Thrive Azul), but I’ve been playing with the Magnus and I’m really enjoying it.
Can you do a video on “best” hybrid, standard/wide body, and elongated paddles? That would be helpful. I think a hybrid shape is nice because you get the pros of both and less of the cons. I guess you get slightly less of the pros as well but seems like a nice “sweet spot”😂
@@joeypupillo5210 Well, "best" by shape is all subjective though. There are so many paddles out there that are equally as good, but they have performance differences that may be a better fit for certain people. It would make more sense to sort by best paddles in spin, control, power, all-court, and value categories. He already did that with his end of the year paddle awards which he'll prob do again at the end of the year. Granted, his 2023 paddle awards are missing all of the amazing recent releases.
Would really like you both to review the "THOMPSON" Model A. New concept for frame construction. "true feel" Sidewall Technology. Check em out. Your comments on "reach' and "elongated" are spot on. Balls "off the toe" are very low percentage for accuracy. Looking forward to Wills "tomahawk roll" Great to hear the back is better Chris. Top end PT clinics are a great thing to have close to home. Buttock clenches in your future. Congrats on the new home deal.
Thank you all for another great video. What are your thoughts on the Gearbox Elongated shape vs. the shorter Integra/Fusion shape? I am demoing the Pro Control and like it but the swing weight of the elongated version is high and I feel sluggish in firefights. I am waiting for the Integra Pro control to be delivered so I can see if I like the shorter paddle with the lower swing weight.
I always make it this far… Loved the Ruby following a year on the Scorpeus Gen2 Now on the Luxx & Gamma Airbender for Max Control… I just hit less resets out with it, and way better dinks & Drips…
hahaha keycaps are whatever the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard (UHK) comes with. Switches are blue. Needs to be loud and clicky otherwise I'm not touching it. 😂
@@PickleballStudioif the keyboard is hot swap check out the kaihl box jade’s those are pretty much the best clicky switches out there. Makes typing feel so much better imo
maybe paddles characteristics changes over time compared to its original form and that's why they get delisted? breaking in period exceeds USAP standards?
Augie Gu was playing with a Prism V7 from all of the game footage that I've seen. I still prefer the V7 shape over the Flash even though I have both in the Prism and Pro versions.
@kabnis2022 For Augie not sure. I have a long handle Prism V7 and standard handle Prism Flash. The pro models were only available with a standard handle until recently. You can now get the Flash with a long handle.
What would you consider very expensive? There are a lot of very reasonably priced options out there. Spartus Apollo ($117) PIKKL Hurricane Pro (currently 20% off sale goes down to $130ish) GRUVN MUVN 16S or 13S ($140ish after code) Volair Forza Mach 2 $160ish 11six24 Monarch will have a long handle and likely be reasonably priced J3K has a 5.5"+ handle and will be around $140 These are all after codes. The last 3 are the going to be the longest handle options. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
@@PickleballStudio Spartus Apollo aside, paying ~$150 every 6-12 months is pretty unreasonable, for me. When compared to something like tennis, I can get 2 decent tennis rackets for $200-$250 and be set for almost forever and just need to change out strings every once in a while.
USAP is coming up with a new CoR (Coefficient of Restitution) test. And they are delisting already approved paddles based on that. They' haven't come up with their acceptable CoR, but they are using the Oni, Gen3, and Ripple are their basis for paddles with unacceptable CoR. They straight up stated that the Ripple met all current testing parameters and was delisted because of the upcoming CoR testing. I'd wager the gearbox is on tomorrows hit list.
@@PickleballStudio Thanks for adding them. I really appreciate that you take the time to have them on your podcasts. It makes it easy for me to listen and keep track while I am working.
I enjoyed the podcast and I made it to the kitchen. I hope that physical therapy helps with your back problems. Hopefully, everything will go smoothly with the purchase of your house. I originally started with a standard shape to an elongated shape to a hybrid shape and now back to an elongated shape, because I need the reach. This is just my opinion on why those paddles were delisted. USAP tested and approved the delisted paddles before their break in period. The paddles changed after their break in period, so they are no longer the same paddle that was initially tested and approved. I am wondering if any of those paddles would have passed and been certified, if USAP tested the same paddles after their break in period? What are your thoughts on this?
Arent you the ones that actually exposed the USAPA Rule that Trampoline effect is NOT allowed? Kudos to you. Sincerely... you made it aware. The actual testing should always include reviewing the actual paddle designs that are submitted. As per 2.6.7. rule that you mentioned in your earlier cast.
The messaging has been very confusing. They said that USAP applied the Coefficient of Restitution test to the delisted paddles, but that test still isn't part of their standard approval process. They haven't even decided what a passing score on that test is going to be.
The test failed because it has no basis in physics. We've been trying to explain this in great detail and people should really ask about it. Maybe John q can explain it it's really just calculus one.
@@CoreTekPB I'm very confused by this statement. The test failed? Did you mean the paddle failed the test, or the test itself was defective? Which test? The Coefficient of Restitution test, or a different test performed by USAP? And what does it mean that a test has no basis in physics? I'm going to assume you are talking about CoR here. Coefficient of restitution is the ratio of the relative velocity of separation after collision to the relative velocity of approach before collision. I have no idea how to even parse the idea that that isn't physics.
@@johnclikeman5041 I understand what coefficient of restitution is totally. Unless you tailor it like coefficient of friction it is a meaningless metric. The usap hasn't even released what their standards for coefficient of restitution are so no one knows how to build paddles now. Coefficient of restitution is not right 4 pickleball in terms of measuring relative to the paddle. That is a physical mathematical fact. Can you do calculus one level differentiation? Let's talk about slopes and what happens when you measure impact angles at 90°.
@@CoreTekPB Again, I'm having trouble just figuring out what you are trying to say. Which of the following are you arguing? 1. Paddle manufacturers can't be held responsible for the coefficient of restitution of their paddles because USAP hasn't yet published the range of acceptable values. 2. The test under development by USAP isn't capable of measuring the coefficient of restitution of paddles. 3. Coefficient of restitution, the physical quantity, has no value for describing the play properties of pickleball paddles. It seems to me as if you are arguing all of these simultaneously. But in that case, I'm lost as to which one you are calling "a physical mathematical fact." Is it 3? But that's a statement of opinion. I'd be very interested in an argument for why the ability of a paddle to return energy back to a ball isn't a useful thing to know about that paddle, but you haven't made such an argument yet. As for the other two points, I don't know anything about the specific test USAP is working on. Maybe it's horribly flawed. But I don't think that justifies the sweeping statement, "coefficient of restitution is not right for pickleball." It only justifies rewriting the test (unless you go back to argument 3 and say that we shouldn't care what the CoR value of a paddle is at all). And for the first, that's something I wholeheartedly agree with you on -- it's what I said two comments up -- but again I don't see how that justifies throwing out CoR as a concept, only rolling it out with more communication and longer lead times for manufacturers.
I been using the prism flash for a while now. I come a tennis background so I feel like power is not something I need. The 5.5 handle give me enough real estate for 2HBH now. The control and spin is really nice. I don’t see myself needing more power than that whatsoever.
Check out the Aiso Centric. I used to use the prism flash and I loved the nice plush feel but wanted just a tad more power. The Aiso is exactly that! It has a great plush feel on resets and give lots of dwell time. It hits a fair bit harder then the prism on drives and ground strokes I think because of the dwell time and it's fully thermoformed. It has all of the same benefits, hits harder and cost the same or less then the prism flash! It also has a perfect balanced feel (at least for me) and does not need any lead imo.
@@jeffbaerpickleball1346 I’m not looking for any more power than what the prism gives me. I have a few thermoformed paddles and I feel they hit too hard as it is.
Made it to the kitchen. Happy belated birthday, Chris 🎉 Fingers 🤞🏻🍀crossed on getting your mortgage. I’m liking the standard shape of the Spartus Apollo paddle and am waiting for the FatBoy to release. Hubby is loving the Shogun AND the WILLINATOR. I’m his drilling “dummy” and get abused at least twice a week with both paddles. 😂❤
I made it this far. Also I guess I like hybrid and standard shapes, but I don't think I've seen a standard paddle that feels as good to play with as the DBD. My friend just got the Willinator as he's been wanting it since it was even hinted at.. And loves it. The spin he is getting on it is crazy
I am playing with the Ghurken Phantom standard shape it does not have power but with a swing weight of 115 and a huge sweet spot is a great idiot proof paddle and I am able to attest to this.
@pickleballstudio here's what I wonder about paddles.....I have a Puslar FX R2......and I'm wondering if other pickleball players buy different shapes/styles as a quiver of options?
Vatic Oni was delisted "mainly related to exit velocity and trampoline effects" Straight from the CEO Daryl. Loved using the Oni, favorite paddle for me.
They are aware. The new protocol is the Coefficient of Restitution, or CoR test, which they mentioned. The reason this is still confusing is that the CoR test has been announced, but it hasn't been added to USAP's paddle testing process. It isn't in the USAP rulebook yet. They haven't even announced what score on the test is a passing grade. So it doesn't make sense that already-approved paddles would be delisted because of a test that hasn't rolled out yet. Even if it were happening, USAP is supposed to have rules around giving advance notice when they change their own testing standards in a way that would ban existing paddles.
We didn't talk about specific paddles (for the most part) the thumbnail was to convey a standard shape vs elongated. Not the specific paddles featured in the thumbnail.
This is embarrassing for the governing body and the sport. Paddles should never need to be delisted. They should be tested properly from the start and not approved. Paddles can be tested to see if they will break down later using machines. They do not need to wait for months of use. It's called a mechanical stress test and they can simulate years of use. They do this in EVERY other industry.
@@aaronsegal1682 same here, I call Doug the supreme leader haha I’m an ambassador for BnB so I’ve got a couple filths, locos, shoguns, shirts, shorts and the ktchn bag haha just don’t tell my wife how much all those cost
Do you think you'll have a mid year paddle recommendation video?
I have no trouble with hard drives with my Forza mock two. Plenty of aces and short returns.
One advantage is I can swing harder than on a power paddle and so I get more topspin on my drives.
My PT in Tulsa brought paddles and balls for me to use in therapy (for balance and coordination exercises after my stroke).
I got an email for Daryl yesterday saying, "…our Oni Paddles are scheduled to be de-listed by USAP." They're also offering refunds for anyone who purchased one.
Vatic is a small company and this will be a huge hit for them.
USAP needs to be delisted, they seem to FUBAR everything they touch.
33:01 I think Will meant to say, "with more power comes more responsibility" 🙂
Will and Co Host Chris (hahaha), the addition of Isaac is great, you guys have great chemistry
I think they saw the more rigorous testing from reviews including cutting the core open and reports of the break in periods. Then Joola marketing talking about the slingshot core and they realized they messed up.
How do you interpret the USAP equipment guide on an 18 month notice of delisting vs the note following it allowing testing parameters to change at USAP discretion
Any suggestions for a standard or wide body to replace the Anna Bright Gen 3, one that is as close to the pop, power and feel of it?
I'm looking at Honolulu Picklelball's Sword & Shield J3K Pro. I love their J2K Pro and J7K Pro paddles. The older Anna Scorpeus is also great and actually measured up well to the new Gen3. Personally, I don't see why the Gen3 Anna was delisted -- I've not experienced any of the problems it supposedly is prone too -- just a nice upgrade from original. I'm keeping my Gen3 for rec play and non-championship matches.
@@gunzorro agree really enjoyed the Gen 3 but just can’t put up with the whining and one mouth, oh using a cheater paddle….I am so use to 14mm paddles, most are 16mm now. Reverted back to an old CRBN 2X 14mm, just miss the pop and power of the Anna Bright Gen 3.
Loving the content guys! Any interest in reviewing the chorus shapeshifter or komodo pickleball "katana"?
Will just called him Kevin Garnett and Chris just rolled with it 😱😂
I thought it was legit gahaha
Most of my favorite paddles are Elongated, such as the HUDEF viva pro gen3,Gearbox PPE,Legacy pro,ENGAGE Pursuit pro 1.
Amen...I resisted the Joola gen 3 urge and got a Ronbus R2 Pulsar FX. I am so glad I went in that direction.
Been using Ronbus stuff for over a year now, pulsar FX r2 has gotta be the best paddle I’ve ever used
Playing with it now; terrific paddle!
More information on the proxr?
Happy birthday! Good luck with the house and PT! 🙏
So, are hybrids the best of both (elongated & standard) worlds or a just compromise between the two?
Don't worry Will, we're working on changing the names so you can remember 😅
My first paddle was a hybrid shape. Now I'm playing with the Apollo. It only took me about 2 hours to get used to the lower sweet spot. I'm still experimenting with weight to get the plow through I want, though. I like heavier paddles and the sw on the Apollo is pretty low.
Overall, I really like the standard shape. I'm playing it as my main paddle, and I plan to continue using it.
I just sold the apollo, I felt it was lacking in most areas vs my volairM2F16. Weighted up and everything, I was disappointed. I was expecting more pop n power as reviewed. Even the spin wasn't noticeably better. Brand new direct, 10 days old.
@@dv8tion388hmm interesting… I just got the Apollo and like the shape, but considering if the M2F is a better paddle. I’ve been wanting to try the M2F.
@@juansantiago1441 I haven't played the M2F16 so I can't compare, but I love the Apollo. Mine has great spin. Day 1 I felt like I could hit it as hard as I wanted with some topspin, and it would stay in. Control felt easy and the pop was great. I've added weight because I like heavier swing weights for volleys and drives.
@@BenjaminAndersonPickleball I’m thinking of adding a J2K to pair with the Apollo.
@@juansantiago1441 I'm a huge fan of hybrid shape paddles. I had the Mark Kinetic before my Apollo, and it was a super fun paddle to use.
Happy Birthday Chris. Good luck with the house. Hope all goes well.
Recently, I switched from the CRBN 1x and 3x to the Anna Bright Gen3. Everything you said today about advantages, rings true.
I haven’t missed many balls by a 1/2” since I made the switch. The paddle is definitely more stable in blocks and resets. My hands are quicker at the net. My friends see the difference in my game. (Maybe some of that is the Gen3…)
The one issue - I miss overheads off the tip of the paddle occasionally. I haven’t gotten completely used to the shorter length.
I don’t expect to go back to elongated any time soon.
Can you do a review on the Ronbus FX R2? Since we are talking about standard shape
So what are the best standard shape paddles out there right now?
Happy birthday, Chris! I do love playing with the Spartus Apollo. And I have a tennis background. Really helped my game for forgiveness and control. It is not lacking in power and my spin shots are even better with it. I didn’t have any issues switching from my hybrid shaped paddle which I’ve been using for a year to the Apollo. Really also has helped a lot with hands battles. Definitely moving faster than with my hybrid.
How come you didnt talk about the hybrid shape vs the other two?
I would actually suggest an elongated to a new player. They have less wrist control. I feel like elongated drag more which make it easier to hit drops and dinks. With a standard it whips quicker causing more miss hits.
All my paddles i own are elongated or hybrid because im short and want that extra reach. I find myself wanting to swap to a standard shape but not sure which one to try first.
me too. I am 5 foot 4 and feel I need that inch or half inch to help reach
@@TCW1977 you should try the fat one. :)
thanks @@bnbpickleball
Great video. I prefer elongated paddles such as Hudef Viva Pro Gen 3.
Recoil is a good way to describe the feeling lighter paddles or lower TW paddles experience when blocking or making contact with the ball
If the USAP didn't do adequate testing initially, approved the paddles, then tested more rigorously and delisted the paddles, it seems to me that they are at fault not the manufacturers. To me this is signaling they are incompetent as a regulatory body. Unless there was wrongdoing or gross negligence on the part of the paddle companies, USAP should be paying refunds and the cost of making customers whole.
The big question is another one - what is normal wear and tear and when does a paddle become illegal, based on the fact that by use it's changing the properties? Cause let's be honest, looks like what some makers tried is some kind of planned delamination, right?
And if the paddle brand new has some properties, you use it for 2 weeks let's say and now the properties has changed should it still be legal?
That’s for USAPA to decide, but they’ve been slacking.
Rules should change based on new conditions and new policies. A paddle approval once given should be capable of being revoked based on new information, better testing technology and new policies in a sport that is evolving growing and changing.
@@joelsinger5069 like USAP was ever in the Dark that the game has been evolving. USAP didn't give manufactures maximum Power range for their paddles. improvisatory practice for an organization that's been around since the 80's is a terrible way to operate. In the end everyone loses. REACTIVE OUTCOME: Paddle companies lose money, lose customers, upset with USAP. USAP upsets Paddle companies and Costumers. Customers are upset with USAP and Paddle Company, costumers loses trust. The easy part for the consumers, the possible research and purchasing a paddle from any retail, the hardest part is letting go of something you have been accustomed to and have to go through hurdles trying to get your money back.
If you listen to the head of UPA on Jilly B’s podcast, it’s clear enough that the governing bodies have absolutely no idea what they’re doing. He talked about the need for “something like” an exit velocity test, but would not or could not indicate when any sort of reasonably objective test might become part of their regular protocol. She asked some absolutely spot-on, penetrating questions and he was like a crippled Fred Astaire trying to limp away from the intent of her questions. It was embarrassing.
I love my Vatic Pro. Hand speed is important to me.
Still love my gen 1 prism flash
No mention of Ronbus this time around.
Ronbus haters 🙃
You should check out the new neonic flare prime releasing mid july. Long boy handle (5.5 but reallt 5.75 it feels like the handle length on the engage pursuit pro mx) on a standard face and a super poppy 14mm meant to be like a long handle alw or anna bright scorpeus gen 3. Specs are looking like 105 swing weight with 6.8 twist weight and with a couple inches of lead its 107 and 7.3. They are also coming out with a 16mm meant to be still poppier than the volair forza mach 2 (16mm I’m assuming). The neonic flow was a really good hybrid control paddle with a different hybrid face shape so you could probably review all 4 at once the flow and flare in both the thicknesses (prime denoting 14mm)
Happy Birthday Chris!!!
I can attest to a weak core being a driver of back pain. Fifteen years ago I had a lot of pain and did little core and strength work but after I started doing power yoga regularly and lots of planks and pushups and lifting weights, the pain pretty much vanished.
I do not want gym workouts to be my sport. My body does not recover any faster from workouts compared to pickleball. I live with the pain.
I loved my Engeage Pursuit pro EX 6.0. It broke so I got the Pro 1 which I love and the TBD Wil... that is growing on me. for me the two handed backhand is a must.
Keep up the great work.
Love the phase 1 and phase two testing and transparency suggestion. The issue is the break-in period with these D-list paddles. They pass before they break in.
i started doing the low tomahawk when other teams are baseline, as an alternative to backhand roll/flick. This came after watching another player do a full squat and basically hit an overhead smash from the crouched position. Nevertheless, once you get pretty low to the floor you get a good perspective of where everyone is at, and can adjust the angle of the tomahawk to either hit flat and deep, or angle the ball shallow with big angle. It's very affective if you can squat properly. Then again, ...my ancestors actually picked rice as farmers so i think its in my blood. 😂
Wishing you the best on the house! Hope the mortgage interest rate was less than 3.5 at best 🤣
Yaaa I had to get me one of those Melin hats when they released them 😂 nice video as usual!
yep, got one myself and they're sweet lol
Widebody has been a huge plus for my game. As a newbie I was banging away at everything. It’s that way with most male and reasonably fit newbies. To progress I need/needed to develop the soft game. Added bonus is that I have a bad habit of looking up too soon when swinging, so the bigger sweet spot helps a lot.
Re: PT: it’s weird how quick they can find the tightness or weakness that is driving the pain. 30 min with a PT solved a plantar fasciitis issue I’d spent months trying to figure out myself.
The HUDEF viva pro gen 3 is my favorite elongated paddle.
I’ve been using hybrid shaped paddles (Six Zero BD, Ruby, Hurache X Control+, Thrive Azul), but I’ve been playing with the Magnus and I’m really enjoying it.
Shoutout Kevin Garnett 17:46 lmfao
LOL I didn't even hear that while we were doing this. 😂 that's hilarious.
Are standard and wide body the same? If not, what is the difference?
I think the common agreed definition across most reviewers is:
Standard is anything 16" and 8" wide.
Anything wider than 8" is considered wide body.
Can you do a video on “best” hybrid, standard/wide body, and elongated paddles? That would be helpful. I think a hybrid shape is nice because you get the pros of both and less of the cons. I guess you get slightly less of the pros as well but seems like a nice “sweet spot”😂
@@joeypupillo5210 Well, "best" by shape is all subjective though. There are so many paddles out there that are equally as good, but they have performance differences that may be a better fit for certain people. It would make more sense to sort by best paddles in spin, control, power, all-court, and value categories. He already did that with his end of the year paddle awards which he'll prob do again at the end of the year. Granted, his 2023 paddle awards are missing all of the amazing recent releases.
Would really like you both to review the "THOMPSON" Model A. New concept for frame construction. "true feel" Sidewall Technology. Check em out.
Your comments on "reach' and "elongated" are spot on. Balls "off the toe" are very low percentage for accuracy.
Looking forward to Wills "tomahawk roll"
Great to hear the back is better Chris. Top end PT clinics are a great thing to have close to home.
Buttock clenches in your future.
Congrats on the new home deal.
Thank you all for another great video. What are your thoughts on the Gearbox Elongated shape vs. the shorter Integra/Fusion shape? I am demoing the Pro Control and like it but the swing weight of the elongated version is high and I feel sluggish in firefights. I am waiting for the Integra Pro control to be delivered so I can see if I like the shorter paddle with the lower swing weight.
@34:15 a sweetspot near the tip you say?
I always make it this far…
Loved the Ruby following a year on the Scorpeus Gen2
Now on the Luxx & Gamma Airbender for Max Control…
I just hit less resets out with it, and way better dinks & Drips…
Just saw Pablo Téllez playing with the new Lotto paddle. Any future review in the works? Love what you guys do!
Chris and Will Can you try the Legacy Pro Air 14mm.
Will the gearbox power and control breakdown overtime
2:14 yooooo chris got a split custom he balling out. Completely random but what switches and keycaps you got on that
hahaha keycaps are whatever the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard (UHK) comes with. Switches are blue.
Needs to be loud and clicky otherwise I'm not touching it. 😂
@@PickleballStudioif the keyboard is hot swap check out the kaihl box jade’s those are pretty much the best clicky switches out there. Makes typing feel so much better imo
maybe paddles characteristics changes over time compared to its original form and that's why they get delisted? breaking in period exceeds USAP standards?
HAPPY BIRTHDAY P-BALL STUDIO!
Augie Gu was playing with a Prism V7 from all of the game footage that I've seen. I still prefer the V7 shape over the Flash even though I have both in the Prism and Pro versions.
standard handle or long handle?
@kabnis2022 For Augie not sure. I have a long handle Prism V7 and standard handle Prism Flash. The pro models were only available with a standard handle until recently. You can now get the Flash with a long handle.
@@kabnis2022 Augie plays w/ a sh, unless he changed recently. I think if you zoom in on his ig, you can see it says "SH" on his paddle.
@@joem6010I’ve heard the long handles have a smaller sweet spot, have you tried a LH and if so, how does it feel compared to the standard handle?
I think the problem is currently choices for standard/wideshapes are very limited, either very expensive or short handle.
What would you consider very expensive? There are a lot of very reasonably priced options out there.
Spartus Apollo ($117)
PIKKL Hurricane Pro (currently 20% off sale goes down to $130ish)
GRUVN MUVN 16S or 13S ($140ish after code)
Volair Forza Mach 2 $160ish
11six24 Monarch will have a long handle and likely be reasonably priced
J3K has a 5.5"+ handle and will be around $140
These are all after codes. The last 3 are the going to be the longest handle options. Doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
@@PickleballStudio Spartus Apollo aside, paying ~$150 every 6-12 months is pretty unreasonable, for me. When compared to something like tennis, I can get 2 decent tennis rackets for $200-$250 and be set for almost forever and just need to change out strings every once in a while.
@@NguyenDex1993that’s similarly true for elongated..?
USAP is coming up with a new CoR (Coefficient of Restitution) test. And they are delisting already approved paddles based on that. They' haven't come up with their acceptable CoR, but they are using the Oni, Gen3, and Ripple are their basis for paddles with unacceptable CoR. They straight up stated that the Ripple met all current testing parameters and was delisted because of the upcoming CoR testing.
I'd wager the gearbox is on tomorrows hit list.
Why is the video not broken down into segments?
Accidentally published as I was still adding the description.
@@PickleballStudio Thanks for adding them. I really appreciate that you take the time to have them on your podcasts. It makes it easy for me to listen and keep track while I am working.
Scuffed production
No worries, Chris, and thank you!!!
Happy 12th birthday Chris!
What's the name of the guy that went to a finals with a prism flash?
Augie?
@@TCW1977 yeah tried looking it up phonetically but couldn't find it hahahaha
Why compare elongated and wide body for beginners to intermediates without talking about the hybrid too?
I enjoyed the podcast and I made it to the kitchen. I hope that physical therapy helps with your back problems. Hopefully, everything will go smoothly with the purchase of your house. I originally started with a standard shape to an elongated shape to a hybrid shape and now back to an elongated shape, because I need the reach.
This is just my opinion on why those paddles were delisted. USAP tested and approved the delisted paddles before their break in period. The paddles changed after their break in period, so they are no longer the same paddle that was initially tested and approved. I am wondering if any of those paddles would have passed and been certified, if USAP tested the same paddles after their break in period? What are your thoughts on this?
Arent you the ones that actually exposed the USAPA Rule that Trampoline effect is NOT allowed? Kudos to you. Sincerely... you made it aware. The actual testing should always include reviewing the actual paddle designs that are submitted. As per 2.6.7. rule that you mentioned in your earlier cast.
Gamma is gonna come out with some pretty cool stuff later this year, can't share much more but I have a feeling its gonna play NICE
Is the Coefficient of Restitution test in the standard testing for approval? I heard that is what it failed.
The messaging has been very confusing. They said that USAP applied the Coefficient of Restitution test to the delisted paddles, but that test still isn't part of their standard approval process. They haven't even decided what a passing score on that test is going to be.
The test failed because it has no basis in physics. We've been trying to explain this in great detail and people should really ask about it. Maybe John q can explain it it's really just calculus one.
@@CoreTekPB I'm very confused by this statement. The test failed? Did you mean the paddle failed the test, or the test itself was defective? Which test? The Coefficient of Restitution test, or a different test performed by USAP?
And what does it mean that a test has no basis in physics? I'm going to assume you are talking about CoR here. Coefficient of restitution is the ratio of the relative velocity of separation after collision to the relative velocity of approach before collision. I have no idea how to even parse the idea that that isn't physics.
@@johnclikeman5041 I understand what coefficient of restitution is totally. Unless you tailor it like coefficient of friction it is a meaningless metric. The usap hasn't even released what their standards for coefficient of restitution are so no one knows how to build paddles now. Coefficient of restitution is not right 4 pickleball in terms of measuring relative to the paddle. That is a physical mathematical fact.
Can you do calculus one level differentiation? Let's talk about slopes and what happens when you measure impact angles at 90°.
@@CoreTekPB Again, I'm having trouble just figuring out what you are trying to say.
Which of the following are you arguing?
1. Paddle manufacturers can't be held responsible for the coefficient of restitution of their paddles because USAP hasn't yet published the range of acceptable values.
2. The test under development by USAP isn't capable of measuring the coefficient of restitution of paddles.
3. Coefficient of restitution, the physical quantity, has no value for describing the play properties of pickleball paddles.
It seems to me as if you are arguing all of these simultaneously. But in that case, I'm lost as to which one you are calling "a physical mathematical fact." Is it 3? But that's a statement of opinion. I'd be very interested in an argument for why the ability of a paddle to return energy back to a ball isn't a useful thing to know about that paddle, but you haven't made such an argument yet.
As for the other two points, I don't know anything about the specific test USAP is working on. Maybe it's horribly flawed. But I don't think that justifies the sweeping statement, "coefficient of restitution is not right for pickleball." It only justifies rewriting the test (unless you go back to argument 3 and say that we shouldn't care what the CoR value of a paddle is at all). And for the first, that's something I wholeheartedly agree with you on -- it's what I said two comments up -- but again I don't see how that justifies throwing out CoR as a concept, only rolling it out with more communication and longer lead times for manufacturers.
Maybe the Gen 3 paddles are the friends we made along the way
Nice hat Chris - where did you get it??
Melin
I been using the prism flash for a while now. I come a tennis background so I feel like power is not something I need. The 5.5 handle give me enough real estate for 2HBH now. The control and spin is really nice. I don’t see myself needing more power than that whatsoever.
Check out the Aiso Centric. I used to use the prism flash and I loved the nice plush feel but wanted just a tad more power. The Aiso is exactly that! It has a great plush feel on resets and give lots of dwell time. It hits a fair bit harder then the prism on drives and ground strokes I think because of the dwell time and it's fully thermoformed. It has all of the same benefits, hits harder and cost the same or less then the prism flash! It also has a perfect balanced feel (at least for me) and does not need any lead imo.
@@jeffbaerpickleball1346 I’m not looking for any more power than what the prism gives me. I have a few thermoformed paddles and I feel they hit too hard as it is.
Made it to the kitchen. Happy belated birthday, Chris 🎉 Fingers 🤞🏻🍀crossed on getting your mortgage. I’m liking the standard shape of the Spartus Apollo paddle and am waiting for the FatBoy to release. Hubby is loving the Shogun AND the WILLINATOR. I’m his drilling “dummy” and get abused at least twice a week with both paddles. 😂❤
Happy belated Birthday Chris!
Come on over to Dropshots Thursday night and we'll let you win every game.
“Stigma” @31:10
Misconception?
Stigma is the word you’re looking for w standard shape. Not to be confused w ligma.
I made it this far. Also I guess I like hybrid and standard shapes, but I don't think I've seen a standard paddle that feels as good to play with as the DBD.
My friend just got the Willinator as he's been wanting it since it was even hinted at.. And loves it. The spin he is getting on it is crazy
CRBN TruFoam coming soon?
I am playing with the Ghurken Phantom standard shape it does not have power but with a swing weight of 115 and a huge sweet spot is a great idiot proof paddle and I am able to attest to this.
Is CRBN coming out with new paddle in June?
That's what they said when I called and asked..they are waiting for the testing protocols.
Thompson paddle?
can you do a gherkin paddle review
@pickleballstudio here's what I wonder about paddles.....I have a Puslar FX R2......and I'm wondering if other pickleball players buy different shapes/styles as a quiver of options?
This new V ball looked like a marshmallow in the heat.
Vatic Oni was delisted "mainly related to exit velocity and trampoline effects" Straight from the CEO Daryl. Loved using the Oni, favorite paddle for me.
What is Joola going to do with the mountain of returned G3 paddles ??
Close em out $50 a piece. I'll buy one.
There is a new testing protocol which was announced by USAP a month ago. How are the hosts not aware of this???
They are aware. The new protocol is the Coefficient of Restitution, or CoR test, which they mentioned.
The reason this is still confusing is that the CoR test has been announced, but it hasn't been added to USAP's paddle testing process. It isn't in the USAP rulebook yet. They haven't even announced what score on the test is a passing grade.
So it doesn't make sense that already-approved paddles would be delisted because of a test that hasn't rolled out yet. Even if it were happening, USAP is supposed to have rules around giving advance notice when they change their own testing standards in a way that would ban existing paddles.
No chapter headings/markers? 😢
Is gearbox next?
I used to think the USGA made ridiculous equipment decisions and then along comes the USAP saying "hold my beer".
Will - bring a tube of Doug’s drugs for Chris when you try out the new shot and twist him into a pretzel 🥨 😂
Happy Birthday Chris!
Hmmm.. interesting Chris testing B&B a lot... the rumors of a B&B/6.0/PBStudio collab are going to get stronger...
did you guys talk about the bantam? all i heard was the tempest, thumbnail misleading
We didn't talk about specific paddles (for the most part) the thumbnail was to convey a standard shape vs elongated. Not the specific paddles featured in the thumbnail.
@@PickleballStudio no issue, was just interested on yours + Will’s take on the Bantam paddle since it’s being talked about as the Gen 3 replacement.
Failed new usap core testing just like Joola and Ripple. Also u forgot to mention new CRBN Trufoam
Definitely NEED to try a stabdard shape. Cant wait for the FatBoy-it’ll be my first 👊
This is embarrassing for the governing body and the sport. Paddles should never need to be delisted. They should be tested properly from the start and not approved. Paddles can be tested to see if they will break down later using machines. They do not need to wait for months of use. It's called a mechanical stress test and they can simulate years of use. They do this in EVERY other industry.
Bread and butter fan for life!
Got the Filth, Loco, and now cannot wait for Fat Boy.
And own 2 of their shirts and hat.
Yes: Doug is my Keith Raniere.
@@aaronsegal1682 same here, I call Doug the supreme leader haha I’m an ambassador for BnB so I’ve got a couple filths, locos, shoguns, shirts, shorts and the ktchn bag haha just don’t tell my wife how much all those cost
Deng when i heard cubing, I thought he meant some kinda TCG lol
I think USAP has a new test protocol from the 3rd party lab.
Minnesota Gang Stand Up!
Stigma is the word you were thinking of over the standard shape
Anyone tired of all these paddles, I am. Will be glad when the shakeout comes! Course the big pocket will be all that's left. Get your Joola now!