We just moved to Parque das Nações 3 days ago. We're in the southern part, and really like it so far. Getting set up in a new home without a car has been a bit of work, but the mall is about a 15 minute walk, so we're getting things sorted. Having all these riverfront bars and cafes a couple minutes walk from our apartment is great!
We lived in Shenzhen for a year and the architecture reminds me of that. Very Asian! This is the first video I’ve watched about Lisbon while I’m vacationing in Lisbon. Love it!
When we visited a few years ago, we made a point to visit this part of Lisbon. And we loved it! Worth spending a day there. Definite different vibe to historic areas of Lisbon, but that's not a bad thing. ✌️
When I am in Parque das Nacoes, it feels like I am in Sao Conrado neighborhood in Rio. The rest of Portugal feels like Downtown Rio. Although it is not 100% "old Lisbon", it is very much modern Lisbon, and has a character. By the way, I love when you call yourselves "Tripeiros", you guys have embraced the culture in a beautiful way!
Hey Veronica! Thank you very much. We appreciate hearing your take on PdN. We really are embracing it. We just got FC Porto season tickets! "Futebol" is life! 😁 - Josh & Kalie
We stayed here on our scouting trip in feb and loved it, our kids are now registered in a Portuguese private school by that bridge and we will move in September. Flats are really high as stated.
As an expat who made a home in BCN, I truly enjoy your reviews and it provides me with additional insight as I think of the potential of Portugal. It wouldn’t be Lisbon for me. Being originally from NY and having lived in other major cities like Miami, London, Amsterdam, I am quite resolved that BCN will be the last major urban city in which I would want to live. Can’t wait to do further exploring in 🇵🇹 . Hopefully I have a chance to meet you both. Keep up the great content.
We killed some time here before our flight home recently and enjoyed it! It’s only 20 mins on the metro from the traditional old town Lisbon so you really can get the best of both worlds living in this area.
Just a note on the ‘still considered Lisbon’. It’s really in Lisbon, Lisbon concelho. Greater Lisbon, what we generally call Lisboa, includes several concelhos around the Lisbon concelho. (Concelho is kind of a city council)
I just stayed in this neighborhood, and there is a very active nightlife area. It's by the water and has a strip of about 20 bars and restaurants. It's along the northern end of the cable car route.
Hey Michael, if you're talking about Jardim Garcia de Orta, yes, there are a lot of bars and restaurants there. We wouldn't really consider this very active by Portuguese or European standards. Irish & Co. is open after midnight weekly but the rest of the places close around 12 and there's one club that's open Friday and Saturday. Did you experience something different? - Josh & Kalie
Nações is a very nice place. I like the newness of it and that it’s just a few minutes away from old Lisbon which was like traveling back in time or into the future for that matter. I liked Singapore but detested its weather. I could never live in Singapore but Nações could be home for me in a jiffy :)
The architecture, entertainment, vibe, hospitals, schools, oceanario, food, transportation, etc! You guys knocked it out of the park again! Thank you 😊💓!!!
My in-laws live in PdN (townhouses near the bridge) and it’s been a fantastic place to visit with our kids. So many recreational paths and play areas as well as plenty of cafes and restaurants. We love it there but our own retirement plans are currently in Ericeira. Love all your videos and perspectives btw!! 😍
Living in Parque das Nações has several options, it is between Porto, Algarve and Spain, you can go to the beach and eat seafood across the Vasco da Gama bridge.
Thanks Kalie and Josh for this and your Lisbon livable series. 🎉 All informative and very helpful videos plus a great resource for someone like me that knows relatively little about Lisbon neighborhoods. Given the hills and flight path, I honestly believe our Lisbon options may be limited to Avenidas Novas (maybe) and Parque das Nacoes (maybe). Both are on our list. This ‘reality’ is pointing us to communities outside Lisbon + Setubal…not bad options either. We’re planning about a week in September 2022 to see and visit these areas-armed with your terrific info! All I have to do now is show up and learn how to say “Parque das Nacoes.” 😁
😊 We're really happy to hear that you've enjoyed the series. PdN doesn't flow off our tongues either. The "s" and ç together makes it tricky for us but we'll get there. Keep us posted on where you choose. - Josh & Kalie
Cabo Ruivo, Red Cape, near Parque das Nações is the only cape in Portugal facing East... Everything is 'different' in this neighborhood regarding typical Portugal, but the sun rising from the water and setting inland is the strangest.
I have been there. If you head west towards on the road connecting to Lisbon there are a couple of nice breweries …not too far. Personally, for me too much concrete there which could be softened with modern naturalistic city landscaping.
Dois Courvos, Musa and one or two other breweries are just down the road. Although, it seemed like Musa was moving locations. We're keeping an eye out for that. 👀 - Josh & Kalie
Terrific information. I never made it to this area... except to drive over the bridge a few times. I'll have to check it out at some point. I don't think I'd love it, probably because it's so modern, I completely get Kaley's thoughts on it... however, if you think about it... it's not too far to get right in to old-world Lisboa! Obrigada ~
Thanks, Jen. You should pay it a visit at some point to see what you think. There's plenty to do for the day. It's certainly not a place for everyone's taste. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
Moved there from Lisbon as the houses we wanted are too expensive in Lisbon. 40m drive (you only get traffic when you are near Lisbon), but I do pay tolls.
We spent our last two days of our scouting trip in this area so we could be close to the Airport for our flight home. And like you, we actually liked it. Loved the Algarve but if we were interested in Lisbon this would be a great option for us.
Pass for me, I get the appeal, but in my opinion these type of places are the places that look good new, but age horriblly in just a few decades. Meanwhile the classic arquitecture looked good then, now and probably forever.
You guys gave this area high scores, even higher than some areas of Porto. Something worth considering. Reminds me of Puerto Madero in BA or City of Arts and Sciences in Valencia. Does it feel like a livable neighborhood with restaurants and shops?
Yes, we looked at the neighborhoods in context of the city. So while a Porto is a 5 for us and Lisbon is a 3, the neighborhoods can score highly. 😁 The comparision to City of Arts and Sciences in Valencia is a good comparison. Restaurants and shops abound for sure. Things are a little more upmarket though. - Josh & Kalie
We were probably there when you filmed this if it was in the last 4 days! I kinda liked it but it reminded me of Silicon Valley.. upscaleish.. clean and safe enough for young children.. there was a park with a zip line.. it was nice! We visited the oceanarium!!
Thanks for writing! We weren't there in the last 4 days. There's a production lag and it would be awesome if we could turn a video around in 4 days! It's just the two of us and our part-time editor, Maria (Portuguese). How about that oceanarium?! 🤩 - Josh & Kalie
Good overview. We visited this area and spent the day at the Aquarium & mall close by. It’s really pretty but I would visit from time to time but not live there.
Great video! This is actually the neighborhood that my wife and I are considering moving to. Just curious about transportation to downtown Lisbon? I’ve read that it’s about 30 minutes away by train or bus. So it seems like there’s easy access if we want to experience old Lisbon. 🤷🏻♂️ We won’t have a car, so it’s important for us to get around easily by public transport.
Thank you, Rolando. It's a great neighborhood for sure and about 30 minutes out like you said. Honestly, if you're not popping in there everyday, a taxi/ride share once a week won't break the bank either. - Josh & Kalie
I am Portuguese and live in the big Lisbon Area witch is big, there are plenty of areas that expat do not cover, I am seeying if they cover the Benfica neihboor witch probably is the biguest in Lisbon , so huge that they have some diferent areas in itself and is for the most plane/strait , but there are others like Alvalade not equal to the alvalade stadium ( that has only the name), is a very good area, connected to avenidas novas...but there are more... I can add that transportation by Metro from Parque das nacoes ( Oriente metro station that coincides with the train but are not the same, train is the upper floor, and Metro is underground) to the center of lisbon can be quite fast like 15m to 20m at the most, from the metro stop to the metro stop...to down town if you mean like Rossio plaza, yes you have to exchange 1 line and that takes you like 5/10m so yes 25/35m. you can plan and see the map of all metro stations here on this website in english too. metroguides.info/city/lisbon?ln=en#scheme/1065/1041
Bus 728 can take you from this part of town to downtown Lisbon in less than 30 minutes, it’s actually the bus that connects this neighborhood to the Belém neighborhood, where the city’s most important monuments can be found.
You didn't mention noise level generated from the close proximity of the airport. Is that an issue? Please advise. I like this area very much based on your great video.
Hey Elaine, we didn't really notice it to be an issue. Surprisingly, due to its proximity to the airport, it didn't seem that bad. Definitely worse in other neighborhoods. - Josh & Kalie
This neigborhood is where i attended to the Websummit (fantastic event) this really is a nice place in Lisbon to escape from the hussle and bussle of the city center and by the way what's the equivalent in Porto?
Thanks. We don't really have an equivalent up here in Porto but maybe the closest would be certain parts of Boavista. Boavista is a large neighborhood geographically and it has different feels and designs but one quadrant of it is like the CBD of the city and it has a look that's the most similar compared to any other part of the city, however, Boavista is much closer to the historic center. - Josh & Kalie
Won't feel like Portugal if you only expect Portugal to be old. The architects of the projects, the urban planner, the school of 90's portuguese architecture, lime stone, calçada, tiles, the trees, all portuguese. A bit too designed, it was the EXPO 98. Just lacks some soul it's true because a neighborhood needs some decades to become a real neighborhood. I wouldn't live there, though it's nice to go there.
Spend 300k buying newish apartment literally outside of Lisbon OR spend that same amount for 50 sq meters in the center of Lisbon? I will go for the second option considering return on the investment, Lisbon is the second oldest city in Europe and it’s true value is within historical architecture and tourism center.
A lot of people seem to love porto but I just didn't get it. It seems dirty and stinky and run down. Do you have a video highlighting what you love to do best there? I will have to give it another chance! 🤣
😁 Were you in Porto 10 years ago? The colors of the city aren't as light as the streets of Algarve or Lisbon, which is considered light and Porto is considered dark, but we don't actually find it to be dark or dirty in a vast majority of the places. We haven't made a specific video on what we love about Porto but throughout our videos we pepper it with the reasons why we love it. The topic comes up on occasion on our Live streams. There are some old vacant buildings (yes). We wouldn't considered Porto dirty but there are a couple areas that are absolute eye-sores and it's weird that the city hasn't done more to address it. As far as stinky, we've not noticed any more city smells here than in Lisbon and maybe we've noticed more in Lisbon, like that NYC sewer smell. You know? - Josh & Kalie
the choices in lisbon are either live in "gasba" ( some of the neighborhood reminds Bagdad) or Oriente ( perque de nacois) which is insanely expensive...2.800 for a T3 ...Lisbon is utterly overrated!
I have a question, how many people with disabilities have you seen working in various shops, grocery stores, movie theatres or restaurants, or any other establishment?
What kinds of disabilities are we talking about? It's not common. We don't have stats on it. In general, people with physical disabilities might find it really difficult to get around Lisbon. The Metro's elevator access is notoriously poor. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Oh my that's just awful! I don't know what you mean by common you mean there are no disabled people in Portugal or you haven't seen disabled people in the country. I am by no way implying that the disabled are being harmed but like any other citizen they should be given a chance to be an active part of the community i.e have jobs, socialize et.
@@lindabiegenwald5924 we mean, we don't see many people at all working " in various shops, grocery stores, movie theatres or restaurants, or any other establishment" working there per your question. So to recap. You said people with disabilities. There are a wide variety of disabilities that people might have. Physical or mental (psychiatric) are two of the subcategories, which we are sure that you're aware of. You're asking us to make an observational statement on this and we simply don't feel comfortable doing that because we try to speak about these things with statics rather than pure micro-experience. However, "it's not common" for us to see people with disabilities in the workplace but we might not realize they have a disability so they could be there. What we can tell you is people with mobility issues might have a difficult time in older buildings due to number of stairs, no wheelchair ramps, and no elevators. They might find it hard at many of the metro stations due to lack of access to elevators. We do not know what the government or society is doing for people with disabilities because we don't have information or statics on that.
@@ExpatsEverywhere I have to be honest and say I would not recomend a family with a disabled child move to portugal. The information is slim to none. So as you state ir is a government thing, however I look at it as a human right violation, As you stated there could be people who have mental disabilities, everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. AS far as access is concerned the government seems not to give too hoots, It's really sad.
We know someone (American) that's moved here with a child that has a disability and they're fine. They're in Algarve. Again, we don't know what the government is doing because we've not looked too deeply into it apart from helping connect community members with people here that can provide the information. There's no signs that people aren't being treated with respect and dignity. The access for people with mobility issues in Lisbon is an infrastructure problem for sure but to make a broad-sweeping statement such as "the government seem not to give (two) hoots" is your sentiment and not ours. We simply don't know because we've not researched it. - Josh & Kalie
We just moved to Parque das Nações 3 days ago. We're in the southern part, and really like it so far. Getting set up in a new home without a car has been a bit of work, but the mall is about a 15 minute walk, so we're getting things sorted. Having all these riverfront bars and cafes a couple minutes walk from our apartment is great!
We lived in Shenzhen for a year and the architecture reminds me of that. Very Asian! This is the first video I’ve watched about Lisbon while I’m vacationing in Lisbon. Love it!
When we visited a few years ago, we made a point to visit this part of Lisbon. And we loved it! Worth spending a day there. Definite different vibe to historic areas of Lisbon, but that's not a bad thing. ✌️
Thanks for sharing, Dave. You got the same thing we did. - Josh & Kalie
When I am in Parque das Nacoes, it feels like I am in Sao Conrado neighborhood in Rio. The rest of Portugal feels like Downtown Rio. Although it is not 100% "old Lisbon", it is very much modern Lisbon, and has a character. By the way, I love when you call yourselves "Tripeiros", you guys have embraced the culture in a beautiful way!
Hey Veronica! Thank you very much. We appreciate hearing your take on PdN. We really are embracing it. We just got FC Porto season tickets! "Futebol" is life! 😁 - Josh & Kalie
Well done! This is very helpful for someone new to Lisbon.
We stayed here on our scouting trip in feb and loved it, our kids are now registered in a Portuguese private school by that bridge and we will move in September. Flats are really high as stated.
Thanks for sharing! We know the school you're talking about. It looks like a very nice one. Wonderful outdoor activities in that area. - Josh & Kalie
Nice, it’s one of my favorites due to the nice bike lanes and awesome vegan restaurant options. Seemed like a good startup scene vibe going on too
Awesome! Thanks for sharing your take. - Josh & Kalie
As an expat who made a home in BCN, I truly enjoy your reviews and it provides me with additional insight as I think of the potential of Portugal. It wouldn’t be Lisbon for me. Being originally from NY and having lived in other major cities like Miami, London, Amsterdam, I am quite resolved that BCN will be the last major urban city in which I would want to live. Can’t wait to do further exploring in 🇵🇹 . Hopefully I have a chance to meet you both. Keep up the great content.
Fantastic! It sounds like we need to tell your story at some point. 😁 Ever thought of Porto? 😉 Thanks for watching and commenting. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks for creating excellent content! This is very helpful
You're welcome. Thank you for watching and commenting. We're glad to know it's been helpful. - Josh & Kalie
We killed some time here before our flight home recently and enjoyed it!
It’s only 20 mins on the metro from the traditional old town Lisbon so you really can get the best of both worlds living in this area.
Thanks for sharing, Tom. That's what we think. - Josh & Kalie
Just a note on the ‘still considered Lisbon’. It’s really in Lisbon, Lisbon concelho. Greater Lisbon, what we generally call Lisboa, includes several concelhos around the Lisbon concelho. (Concelho is kind of a city council)
I just stayed in this neighborhood, and there is a very active nightlife area. It's by the water and has a strip of about 20 bars and restaurants. It's along the northern end of the cable car route.
Hey Michael, if you're talking about Jardim Garcia de Orta, yes, there are a lot of bars and restaurants there. We wouldn't really consider this very active by Portuguese or European standards. Irish & Co. is open after midnight weekly but the rest of the places close around 12 and there's one club that's open Friday and Saturday. Did you experience something different? - Josh & Kalie
Nações is a very nice place. I like the newness of it and that it’s just a few minutes away from old Lisbon which was like traveling back in time or into the future for that matter. I liked Singapore but detested its weather. I could never live in Singapore but Nações could be home for me in a jiffy :)
Thanks for sharing! 😁 The heat in Singapore is tough and it's year-round so we know that some people hate that. The A/C is great. - Josh & Kalie
The architecture, entertainment, vibe, hospitals, schools, oceanario, food, transportation, etc! You guys knocked it out of the park again! Thank you 😊💓!!!
😁 You're welcome and thank you. We tried to listen to what you all wanted to know about. Trying to tick the boxes in our content. - Josh & Kalie
I have been living in PDN for 9 years and I love it here. Not planning on living anytime soon. I live near the Myriad.
Great review of my hood 💯💯💯
Awesome! That's great to hear. 9 years is a good, long time. 😁
Thank you. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere 💯
Thanks for sharing this wonderful video.
Thanks for watching another one, Yasin! - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere 😊
My in-laws live in PdN (townhouses near the bridge) and it’s been a fantastic place to visit with our kids. So many recreational paths and play areas as well as plenty of cafes and restaurants. We love it there but our own retirement plans are currently in Ericeira. Love all your videos and perspectives btw!! 😍
Thanks for sharing your experience and take, Mark! It's good to hear from you. We appreciate the love. Ericeira is a nice place. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks!
🙏 You're welcome and thank you very much Maurice!!! - Josh & Kalie
This is a great neighborhood: Lots of green areas, shopping, close to the river, restaurants... But it is really expensive.
50K mark 😆👏👏👏Let's GOOOOOO! that play button is 100% coming your way 💪
Thanks, brother! 50% of the way there. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
Living in Parque das Nações has several options, it is between Porto, Algarve and Spain, you can go to the beach and eat seafood across the Vasco da Gama bridge.
True story. - Josh & Kalie
There is also the Troia Peninsula in Setúbal. That is a paradise with beautiful beaches and dolphins
Thanks Kalie and Josh for this and your Lisbon livable series. 🎉 All informative and very helpful videos plus a great resource for someone like me that knows relatively little about Lisbon neighborhoods. Given the hills and flight path, I honestly believe our Lisbon options may be limited to Avenidas Novas (maybe) and Parque das Nacoes (maybe). Both are on our list. This ‘reality’ is pointing us to communities outside Lisbon + Setubal…not bad options either. We’re planning about a week in September 2022 to see and visit these areas-armed with your terrific info! All I have to do now is show up and learn how to say “Parque das Nacoes.” 😁
😊 We're really happy to hear that you've enjoyed the series. PdN doesn't flow off our tongues either. The "s" and ç together makes it tricky for us but we'll get there. Keep us posted on where you choose. - Josh & Kalie
Cabo Ruivo, Red Cape, near Parque das Nações is the only cape in Portugal facing East... Everything is 'different' in this neighborhood regarding typical Portugal, but the sun rising from the water and setting inland is the strangest.
Thanks for sharing and watching. - Josh & Kalie
We just arrived to this neighborhood and love it!
Awesome! To live or visit? - Josh & Kalie
I have been there. If you head west towards on the road connecting to Lisbon there are a couple of nice breweries …not too far. Personally, for me too much concrete there which could be softened with modern naturalistic city landscaping.
Dois Courvos, Musa and one or two other breweries are just down the road. Although, it seemed like Musa was moving locations. We're keeping an eye out for that. 👀 - Josh & Kalie
Terrific information. I never made it to this area... except to drive over the bridge a few times. I'll have to check it out at some point. I don't think I'd love it, probably because it's so modern, I completely get Kaley's thoughts on it... however, if you think about it... it's not too far to get right in to old-world Lisboa!
Obrigada ~
Thanks, Jen. You should pay it a visit at some point to see what you think. There's plenty to do for the day. It's certainly not a place for everyone's taste. 😅 - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Absolutely... I will!!
Its where i work! :p not my cup of tea but i see why you would like it. Lots of infrastructure and stuff.. but its busy!
Thanks for sharing, Leonardo! If you work there, where do you live? - Josh & Kalie
Moved there from Lisbon as the houses we wanted are too expensive in Lisbon. 40m drive (you only get traffic when you are near Lisbon), but I do pay tolls.
Another great video! Really well done guys! Viva os Tripeiros !!!
Thanks so much, Dino! Great to hear from you. Viva os Tripeiros indeed. We're FCP season ticket holders now. 😁 - Josh & Kalie
We spent our last two days of our scouting trip in this area so we could be close to the Airport for our flight home. And like you, we actually liked it. Loved the Algarve but if we were interested in Lisbon this would be a great option for us.
Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience, Thomas. - Josh & Kalie
Great Video love watching you guys, thanks for sharing.
Thank you very much for watching and sending us love! ❤️ - Josh & Kalie
Pass for me, I get the appeal, but in my opinion these type of places are the places that look good new, but age horriblly in just a few decades. Meanwhile the classic arquitecture looked good then, now and probably forever.
Thanks for watching and sharing your take. - Josh & Kalie
You guys gave this area high scores, even higher than some areas of Porto. Something worth considering. Reminds me of Puerto Madero in BA or City of Arts and Sciences in Valencia. Does it feel like a livable neighborhood with restaurants and shops?
Yes, we looked at the neighborhoods in context of the city. So while a Porto is a 5 for us and Lisbon is a 3, the neighborhoods can score highly. 😁 The comparision to City of Arts and Sciences in Valencia is a good comparison. Restaurants and shops abound for sure. Things are a little more upmarket though. - Josh & Kalie
We were probably there when you filmed this if it was in the last 4 days! I kinda liked it but it reminded me of Silicon Valley.. upscaleish.. clean and safe enough for young children.. there was a park with a zip line.. it was nice! We visited the oceanarium!!
Thanks for writing! We weren't there in the last 4 days. There's a production lag and it would be awesome if we could turn a video around in 4 days! It's just the two of us and our part-time editor, Maria (Portuguese). How about that oceanarium?! 🤩 - Josh & Kalie
I prefer the Vasco da Gama shopping mall over the Colombo mall. The Vasco da Gama mall is accessible via the Oriente metro station
Without a car is only good if you are not too far from Gare do Oriente (Subway & Train) and at night some areas are too isolated and eirie
Between you both the Average is 4.5 and therefore you should move to this place. Great video.
Porto is a 5 and Lisbon is a 3 for us so....😅 🤣 Thanks for watching. - Josh & Kalie
Good overview. We visited this area and spent the day at the Aquarium & mall close by. It’s really pretty but I would visit from time to time but not live there.
Thank you. Thanks for sharing your take. - Josh & Kalie
Great video! This is actually the neighborhood that my wife and I are considering moving to. Just curious about transportation to downtown Lisbon? I’ve read that it’s about 30 minutes away by train or bus. So it seems like there’s easy access if we want to experience old Lisbon. 🤷🏻♂️
We won’t have a car, so it’s important for us to get around easily by public transport.
Thank you, Rolando. It's a great neighborhood for sure and about 30 minutes out like you said. Honestly, if you're not popping in there everyday, a taxi/ride share once a week won't break the bank either. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere thanks for the info! 🙏🏼
I am Portuguese and live in the big Lisbon Area witch is big, there are plenty of areas that expat do not cover, I am seeying if they cover the Benfica neihboor witch probably is the biguest in Lisbon , so huge that they have some diferent areas in itself and is for the most plane/strait , but there are others like Alvalade not equal to the alvalade stadium ( that has only the name), is a very good area, connected to avenidas novas...but there are more...
I can add that transportation by Metro from Parque das nacoes ( Oriente metro station that coincides with the train but are not the same, train is the upper floor, and Metro is underground) to the center of lisbon can be quite fast like 15m to 20m at the most, from the metro stop to the metro stop...to down town if you mean like Rossio plaza, yes you have to exchange 1 line and that takes you like 5/10m so yes 25/35m.
you can plan and see the map of all metro stations here on this website in english too.
metroguides.info/city/lisbon?ln=en#scheme/1065/1041
Bus 728 can take you from this part of town to downtown Lisbon in less than 30 minutes, it’s actually the bus that connects this neighborhood to the Belém neighborhood, where the city’s most important monuments can be found.
You didn't mention noise level generated from the close proximity of the airport. Is that an issue? Please advise. I like this area very much based on your great video.
Hey Elaine, we didn't really notice it to be an issue. Surprisingly, due to its proximity to the airport, it didn't seem that bad. Definitely worse in other neighborhoods. - Josh & Kalie
This neigborhood is where i attended to the Websummit (fantastic event) this really is a nice place in Lisbon to escape from the hussle and bussle of the city center and by the way what's the equivalent in Porto?
Thanks.
We don't really have an equivalent up here in Porto but maybe the closest would be certain parts of Boavista. Boavista is a large neighborhood geographically and it has different feels and designs but one quadrant of it is like the CBD of the city and it has a look that's the most similar compared to any other part of the city, however, Boavista is much closer to the historic center. - Josh & Kalie
Was there during the world’s fair and a couple of years later also.
It is OK, but not my cup of tea.
Thanks for sharing. Have you not been back since? - Josh & Kalie
Sou Tripeiro 😂😂😂
Love it 😊
😊😁 - Josh & Kalie
Won't feel like Portugal if you only expect Portugal to be old. The architects of the projects, the urban planner, the school of 90's portuguese architecture, lime stone, calçada, tiles, the trees, all portuguese. A bit too designed, it was the EXPO 98. Just lacks some soul it's true because a neighborhood needs some decades to become a real neighborhood. I wouldn't live there, though it's nice to go there.
Thanks for sharing, Alexandre. - Josh & Kalie
Spend 300k buying newish apartment literally outside of Lisbon OR spend that same amount for 50 sq meters in the center of Lisbon?
I will go for the second option considering return on the investment, Lisbon is the second oldest city in Europe and it’s true value is within historical architecture and tourism center.
Thanks for sharing. - Josh & Kalie
A lot of people seem to love porto but I just didn't get it. It seems dirty and stinky and run down. Do you have a video highlighting what you love to do best there? I will have to give it another chance! 🤣
😁 Were you in Porto 10 years ago? The colors of the city aren't as light as the streets of Algarve or Lisbon, which is considered light and Porto is considered dark, but we don't actually find it to be dark or dirty in a vast majority of the places. We haven't made a specific video on what we love about Porto but throughout our videos we pepper it with the reasons why we love it. The topic comes up on occasion on our Live streams. There are some old vacant buildings (yes). We wouldn't considered Porto dirty but there are a couple areas that are absolute eye-sores and it's weird that the city hasn't done more to address it. As far as stinky, we've not noticed any more city smells here than in Lisbon and maybe we've noticed more in Lisbon, like that NYC sewer smell. You know? - Josh & Kalie
Great info! A little too futuristic-looking for me though.
Thank you. Fair enough. There's not much of traditional Portugal going on there. - Josh & Kalie
the choices in lisbon are either live in "gasba" ( some of the neighborhood reminds Bagdad) or Oriente ( perque de nacois) which is insanely expensive...2.800 for a T3 ...Lisbon is utterly overrated!
😅 - Josh & Kalie
They also have Pakistanis homeless in the station.
I have a question, how many people with disabilities have you seen working in various shops, grocery stores, movie theatres or restaurants, or any other establishment?
What kinds of disabilities are we talking about? It's not common. We don't have stats on it. In general, people with physical disabilities might find it really difficult to get around Lisbon. The Metro's elevator access is notoriously poor. - Josh & Kalie
@@ExpatsEverywhere Oh my that's just awful! I don't know what you mean by common you mean there are no disabled people in Portugal or you haven't seen disabled people in the country. I am by no way implying that the disabled are being harmed but like any other citizen they should be given a chance to be an active part of the community i.e have jobs, socialize et.
@@lindabiegenwald5924 we mean, we don't see many people at all working " in various shops, grocery stores, movie theatres or restaurants, or any other establishment" working there per your question.
So to recap. You said people with disabilities. There are a wide variety of disabilities that people might have. Physical or mental (psychiatric) are two of the subcategories, which we are sure that you're aware of. You're asking us to make an observational statement on this and we simply don't feel comfortable doing that because we try to speak about these things with statics rather than pure micro-experience. However, "it's not common" for us to see people with disabilities in the workplace but we might not realize they have a disability so they could be there. What we can tell you is people with mobility issues might have a difficult time in older buildings due to number of stairs, no wheelchair ramps, and no elevators. They might find it hard at many of the metro stations due to lack of access to elevators. We do not know what the government or society is doing for people with disabilities because we don't have information or statics on that.
@@ExpatsEverywhere I have to be honest and say I would not recomend a family with a disabled child move to portugal. The information is slim to none. So as you state ir is a government thing, however I look at it as a human right violation, As you stated there could be people who have mental disabilities, everyone deserves to be treated with respect and dignity. AS far as access is concerned the government seems not to give too hoots, It's really sad.
We know someone (American) that's moved here with a child that has a disability and they're fine. They're in Algarve. Again, we don't know what the government is doing because we've not looked too deeply into it apart from helping connect community members with people here that can provide the information. There's no signs that people aren't being treated with respect and dignity. The access for people with mobility issues in Lisbon is an infrastructure problem for sure but to make a broad-sweeping statement such as "the government seem not to give (two) hoots" is your sentiment and not ours. We simply don't know because we've not researched it. - Josh & Kalie
Have you found a place yet?
It depends on what you mean by "found a place" 😁
Thanks for watching and subscribing, Liz. - Josh & Kalie
I can see that the Portuguese food is good ,lol
It is. - Josh & Kalie
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Nice vídeo but... dear girl, do something about the shrillness of your voice, I shudder to think what must be like spending days next to you.
Vocal surgery is scheduled for next Tuesday. - Josh & Kalie
Thanks!
Massive thank you for the support, Roman! - Josh & Kalie