Literally couldn’t agree more. I have almost no side delts but massive triceps and no one has ever mistakingly called me fat. They’ve correctly called me fat plenty of times.
For sure. Fat men have large arms and no woman is fainting over those. It's all about the shoulders. Even with skinny arms, the big delts makes you look like you work out.
@@timmian85That's not true they like your personality and if you're funny, good looks and money are just bonus points, as long as you take care of yourself and have a likable personality and treat women as equals without any desperation then you should be living a happy life
@@timmian85nah. My face is allright. Getting more muscle makes a difference. I also happen to have a giant head. Trouble buying helmets despite average height. Just slim I look ridiculous. Look at the GCN semi pro bike riders. It looks funny. Head too large.
@@gur262 Yeah, slim/ripped is not the best look for everyone. Actually most people cant pull it off. Me personally have a bad pecs and lack overall thickness - Like a dorito, pretty good from the front and just paper thin from the side.
Depends how big the neck and traps are, sometimes they can be too big where they now make your head look bigger and frame thinner. And a small waist is also a major point.
@@pablito1904 see, there is this thing, well two things really, that are situated in your head, to the front, slightly above your nose. usually, we call these "eyes", and on a normal human being they are both functioning giving us shape, range, color and perspective. now, once you look at something, the signals the eyes register move along the nerves to your brain where, assuming a normal functioning human being again, a certain number of braincells come together to process that signal and form an impression of what you saw. thats one piece of the puzzle needed to answer your question. the next piece you need is a trained brain to recognize humor, irony, descriptive language and imagination. if all of that is present you can take what you saw and superimpose it with the descriptive image the guy was painting in the video. and then...klick...you should get it, too. if per chance you still can't, don't worry...sometimes it just takes longer. just work on it and believe...
@@pablito1904 The distance between his shoulders is large, he has a broad back - but his shoulder muscles do not stand out from his upper arms. That's what they're talking about.
just be happy if you have big muscular anything. bicep, tricep, shoulders, back, whatever. different people have different genetics, different needs, do different activities.
Yup. It was only when I started targeting shoulders heavily that I ever got any compliments. I used to power lift and was way more jacked but you’d never know cuz I had no delts
I disagree. Arnold for example had less developed shoulders compared to the rest of his arms. In fact, a lot of the 70s golden era bodybuilders did. And they were arguably the most aesthetic
Another thing that I see happen a lot is the back grows way larger than the delts. So basically your upper lats (or obliques area) or possibly a widened chest make it so that your arms sort of look like they sprawl out from your body and your delts no longer have that distinct, boxy, capped look.
@@kilkoykil71yes of course. but u can still push ur numbers up a bit if u don't have the best structure with getting huge delts. look at guys like alex leonidas in his before pictures with narrow clavicles and he looks wide as a barn door now
Actually the same goes for chest. Mid and lower chest makes you look bulky in the mid section which is not a great look in my opinion. It looks heavy. What you want from an aesthetic standpoint is shoulders, traps, upper chest, upper back and of course legs.
Lol this is EXACTLY the physique that Mike has 😂😂😂. I fully agree though. Shoulders are n1 muscle group to develop. After that upper back/upper chest. Then arms.
@@purplep1243can’t disagree more. Always had huge traps (and shoulders), and it makes my physique look awesome. Big traps make you look dominant and manly. I also found that traps have a HUGE impact on how big you look in clothes. So again I totally disagree. V is simply shoulder width to waist ratio.
It's very simple. Big arms with small shoulders look EXACTLY like fat arms in terms of general proportions because fat grows way more on arms than on shoulders.
Shoulders and chest make you look athletic and dissimulate body fat. Big arms alone make you look fat. Even with a lot of clothes on top, shoulders and delts pop up to show off a good physique.
This is so true. I don’t train arms (I’m an aspiring Wellness competitor) but I train shoulders and back. And so many ladies at the gym ask me what I do to train my arms.
I have to agree with this. I've got pretty decent arms, but I have noticed in the past when I let my shoulders diminish a little through lack of workouts it can be actually less aestheticly pleasing. When I build the shoulders back out it looks soo much better. The last thing you want is your arms to fall into the same girth as your shoulders. You want the shoulders to be bigger!!!
Played waterpolo and trained muay thai for 5yrs each as well as work construction. Gave me pretty strong delts, at least before I broke my collarbone. Can confirm it looks better to have the delts pop, and they don't even have to pop that much, just enough that it looks like you got something there
Chunky arms or legs don’t look good. It’s just true. Not aesthetic at all. Honestly, I think the desire to have big (as in like thick ass) arms and legs stems from some level of body dysmorphia. Functional strength and good aesthetics are where it’s at.
Finally the bodybuilding community is starting to talk abt side delts. I’m a skinny model but my agency has all of us doing 32 sets of side delt isolation exercises per week
Being lean with big or wide shoulders is terrible for clothes 😬. Slim or fitted shirts no longer fit because the shoulder widths are also slimmed down. Relaxed fits also end up looking strange, because the silhouette is off.
Sadly, due to the number of casual lifters who take gear, "normal" shoulders are almost unattainable for natural lifters. For those who don't know, gear makes your shoulders bigger even if you sit on the sofa.
This is absolutely true. From prioritizing lots of benching and pushups at various points in my gym life I have pretty massive triceps. Unless I am very lean my shoulders have a sloping appearance because my tri’s dominate visually. Now, I’m having to prioritize specifically side and rear delts. Which I never ignored but never gave the appropriate attention to.
@ No, I definitely don’t have narrow clavicles. My situation is exactly as the video described. I have broad shoulders that appear under developed in comparison to my triceps. I have decent delt development but I have greater relative triceps size. The leaner I am the more obvious my delt development is.
Big shoulders with small arms look laughable though. In fact regardless of your upper body level, undersized arms will always ruin your physique. If I had to choose between meh-ok arms + great delts VS meh-ok delts + great arms, I'd pick the latter without hesitation. People need to stop finding excuses to avoid proper arm training, arms will ALWAYS make your overall build look wider and more aesthetic.
@@JimBaker-ks4io yeah look at Arnold and his biceps. Other than maybe chest they're out of proportion to all his other muscle groups and it looks good aesthetically.
I think it's because shoulders are a functional, athletic muscle. There's a reason why they're some of the most common athletic injuries. Powerful, strong shoulders are the foundation of all upper body strength in dynamic, twisting motions that bodybuilders do less of proportionately speaking. Look at how big boxers' shoulders are, or firefighters, or manual laborers.
It is better to train what you develop quicker. My shoulders developed quickly , but since I turned 50, arms are a beast to develop. Chest for me still stayed developed, but abs not so much. Thankfully legs are easy for me. Just wish I had more Time for flexibility exercises
Chris isn’t talking about mikes build, he referring to people with underdeveloped delts relative to their development level on bicep. Mike has huge delts, huge biceps = huge arm. When you have no delts but bicep is really big then your arms look small.
Ive spent the majority of my lifting career trying not to be the "big arm guy". Big arms are awesome but you need yhe overall physique to match. Just big arms or their own really isnt it. Theres one guy in my gym all he does his biceps and triceps. Smashes biceps for like 45 mins. Switches to triceps for 45 mins then goes home lol
im actually going to say i personally love some disproportionately big arms. all the sorrounding muscles gotta be at least well developed, obviously, but yeah. gotta love some lee priest kinda aesthetic
mike seemed slightly insulted
Because he's got small shoulders and cant get conditioned for a show, LOL.
😂 yep
Lmaooo was thinking the same thing
I mean how would yall reacted? I think he handled it well
lol he thought was bout be roast session!
Mikes body language says it all.
😐🧍♂️😒
He's always like that. The guy is insecure and awkward as hell
Mike is the perfect example of what he’s explaining..
Right.
I thought so too haha
🥵
Ah yes of course, Mike has small shoulders for sure... 🙄
@@manuman5319comparatively he does. The angle of the video isn’t doing him many favours though.
Telling Dr Mike his shoulders are shit and he looks fat without directly telling him his shoulders are shit and he looks fat! 😂😂😂
I don’t think that was his goal💀
@@Tree789 makes it even funnier. because thats EXACTLY what he did
He said “interesting” 😂😂😂
He made Dr. Mike look at himself differently in the mirror 😭😭😭
Very large short ppl look like lil square... and it tend to not look the best
Which is true
This why ppl advise wear slimmer clothes when ur shorter
Mike literally has or is exactly what the guy described and you can see how insulted Mike feels 😂😂😂😂😂
Agreed 100%
I mean, Mike has said the exact same thing himself
He was making direct eye contact with Mike the whole time, didn’t blink once
Just describing what he's seeing
I think most people don't blink as much - or at least as hard - as Mike does.
@@Seetiyanit’s all about the mind muscle connection. Mike likes to feel the contraction.
Literally couldn’t agree more. I have almost no side delts but massive triceps and no one has ever mistakingly called me fat. They’ve correctly called me fat plenty of times.
Top notch self deprecating humor.
I’m unique I got massive shoulders, biceps and triceps, and I’m fat. 😂
Lol
I disagree, i find that massive shoulder dwarf the arms, and actually make for a weird symmetry
Lol
Triceps gotta be the most overrated muscle , I had the same problem, just train biceps more and military press for few months consistently.
Shoulders are like mascara; mascara can be worn alone and still look great, but a full face of makeup with no mascara looks kinda crazy 😅
most accurate comment
Great analogy 💪🏻
Stealing this for the future. Anyhow.. need to work on my shoulders niw
Well put.
You are a poet my friend. Real men of genius.
For sure. Fat men have large arms and no woman is fainting over those. It's all about the shoulders. Even with skinny arms, the big delts makes you look like you work out.
bro. Women only care about the face - unless you're short - then they dont care at all.
@@timmian85That's not true they like your personality and if you're funny, good looks and money are just bonus points, as long as you take care of yourself and have a likable personality and treat women as equals without any desperation then you should be living a happy life
@@timmian85nah. My face is allright. Getting more muscle makes a difference. I also happen to have a giant head. Trouble buying helmets despite average height. Just slim I look ridiculous. Look at the GCN semi pro bike riders. It looks funny. Head too large.
@@gur262 Yeah, slim/ripped is not the best look for everyone. Actually most people cant pull it off. Me personally have a bad pecs and lack overall thickness - Like a dorito, pretty good from the front and just paper thin from the side.
Not only that it makes you look like you can lift more weight
Shoulders, traps, chest and neck is the OP build
Depends how big the neck and traps are, sometimes they can be too big where they now make your head look bigger and frame thinner. And a small waist is also a major point.
*Upper chest ONLY, and by traps u mean lats right?
Legs
Which in turn come with arms, just not out of balance
No a wide back with Broad shoulders clears anything you mention
Evolutionary Psychologist Dr. David Bus found that women look at men's shoulder to waist ration similar to how men look at women's hip to waist ratio.
You didn't need a PhD for that. Anyone with an IQ above 85 knows that.
@@satan4o85? You sure it’s not 84?
@@BraveBelievers No, you're not included.
lowkey roasting Mike for his no-shoulder build lol
How hell would you call Dr Mike a "no shoulders" ?
@@pablito1904
see, there is this thing, well two things really, that are situated in your head, to the front, slightly above your nose.
usually, we call these "eyes", and on a normal human being they are both functioning giving us shape, range, color and perspective.
now, once you look at something, the signals the eyes register move along the nerves to your brain where, assuming a normal functioning human being again, a certain number of braincells come together to process that signal and form an impression of what you saw.
thats one piece of the puzzle needed to answer your question.
the next piece you need is a trained brain to recognize humor, irony, descriptive language and imagination.
if all of that is present you can take what you saw and superimpose it with the descriptive image the guy was painting in the video.
and then...klick...you should get it, too. if per chance you still can't, don't worry...sometimes it just takes longer.
just work on it and believe...
@@pablito1904 The distance between his shoulders is large, he has a broad back - but his shoulder muscles do not stand out from his upper arms. That's what they're talking about.
They just roasted the shit out of me
just be happy if you have big muscular anything. bicep, tricep, shoulders, back, whatever. different people have different genetics, different needs, do different activities.
As someone with huge shoulders amd ok arms i get told my arms are big all the time
Sureeeee
Same
Yup. It was only when I started targeting shoulders heavily that I ever got any compliments. I used to power lift and was way more jacked but you’d never know cuz I had no delts
@Ricky-yf1ru this guys got small shoulders lol
That's a really good analysis
I disagree. Arnold for example had less developed shoulders compared to the rest of his arms. In fact, a lot of the 70s golden era bodybuilders did. And they were arguably the most aesthetic
True. Rarely did arms coming up but naturally broad shoulders and lots of pressing and Olympic work makes me have an attractive physique
Chris and Mike are an underrated duo
They should have more colabs
Another thing that I see happen a lot is the back grows way larger than the delts. So basically your upper lats (or obliques area) or possibly a widened chest make it so that your arms sort of look like they sprawl out from your body and your delts no longer have that distinct, boxy, capped look.
i agree. i prefer big shoulders and ok arms bc IMO, it looks better. But if you're a competitive bodybuilder, huge arms are the must
I’m with Chris on this!
Yup. Broad Shoulders, Lean waist, ideally 1.614 Golden Ratio. Adonis Index pointed this out many years ago. It's 100% real.
Hardest thing I've ever done is prioritize getting lean over getting big. 10 months on the cut and probably another 4 to go
@@MichaelBrown-wx6zqyou should be able to lose a pound a week on a cut so how overweight were you?
2:1 is ideal golden ratio change due to physique inflation.
A lot of that has to do with structure though
@@kilkoykil71yes of course. but u can still push ur numbers up a bit if u don't have the best structure with getting huge delts. look at guys like alex leonidas in his before pictures with narrow clavicles and he looks wide as a barn door now
Interesting point Chris made. I agree.
I think that after shoulders, the chest is next most important part to develop for aesthetics.
Actually the same goes for chest. Mid and lower chest makes you look bulky in the mid section which is not a great look in my opinion. It looks heavy. What you want from an aesthetic standpoint is shoulders, traps, upper chest, upper back and of course legs.
Yes, I have a huge chest and it honestly makes me look fat with a shirt on.
And big lats
@@whatisrealwillprosper3846it’s because your shirt is not suited for your looks
@angel2o yes, exactly. Helping to form that v taper look.
Lol this is EXACTLY the physique that Mike has 😂😂😂. I fully agree though. Shoulders are n1 muscle group to develop. After that upper back/upper chest. Then arms.
Agree, just be careful with the traps, they affect the V-Taper in a negative way u dont want to do any trap isolation work
@@purplep1243can’t disagree more. Always had huge traps (and shoulders), and it makes my physique look awesome. Big traps make you look dominant and manly. I also found that traps have a HUGE impact on how big you look in clothes. So again I totally disagree. V is simply shoulder width to waist ratio.
It's very simple. Big arms with small shoulders look EXACTLY like fat arms in terms of general proportions because fat grows way more on arms than on shoulders.
This
I completely agree. I hit arms once a month and I hit shoulders 3 times a week. My physique looks like a super hero.
Shoulders and chest make you look athletic and dissimulate body fat. Big arms alone make you look fat.
Even with a lot of clothes on top, shoulders and delts pop up to show off a good physique.
Dissimulate? 😂
This was true for me... ONLY after I finally got my side and rear delts up to a good size did people "start noticing" my arms
I have a day dedicated to shoulders for a reason. The most aesthetic muscle you can have! Slept on
By shoulders he means side delts, and u can and should be hitting them 4x a week they recover in like a day
@ honestly ya lol, side delts are 90% of it
And lats
Chris being unintentionally hilarious 🎉🎉🎉
This is so true. I don’t train arms (I’m an aspiring Wellness competitor) but I train shoulders and back. And so many ladies at the gym ask me what I do to train my arms.
I have to agree with this. I've got pretty decent arms, but I have noticed in the past when I let my shoulders diminish a little through lack of workouts it can be actually less aestheticly pleasing.
When I build the shoulders back out it looks soo much better.
The last thing you want is your arms to fall into the same girth as your shoulders. You want the shoulders to be bigger!!!
@0:19 When he’s using Mike’s body to show what he means, and Mike just blinks really hard and goes “mmhmm” with his hands in front of him😂🤣😂🤣🙈🙈🙏
Touching his shoulder when as he says “small shoulders” is crazy
this happend to me, now I'm training shoulders 2-3 times a week
Played waterpolo and trained muay thai for 5yrs each as well as work construction. Gave me pretty strong delts, at least before I broke my collarbone. Can confirm it looks better to have the delts pop, and they don't even have to pop that much, just enough that it looks like you got something there
First time im hearing this. Never thought of this. But I agree and this makes a great point
Chunky arms or legs don’t look good. It’s just true. Not aesthetic at all. Honestly, I think the desire to have big (as in like thick ass) arms and legs stems from some level of body dysmorphia. Functional strength and good aesthetics are where it’s at.
Finally the bodybuilding community is starting to talk abt side delts. I’m a skinny model but my agency has all of us doing 32 sets of side delt isolation exercises per week
Ok but 32 set for side delt? 😂😂 Wtf is that volume
Being lean with big or wide shoulders is terrible for clothes 😬. Slim or fitted shirts no longer fit because the shoulder widths are also slimmed down. Relaxed fits also end up looking strange, because the silhouette is off.
Huge delts has been an obsessed over thing for years in bodybuilding and beyond.
That's changed my training program 😂👍🏼
I naturally have big shoulders and arms. But I totally get what he’s saying. If my arms get too big there is a rounding effect 😂
Sadly, due to the number of casual lifters who take gear, "normal" shoulders are almost unattainable for natural lifters.
For those who don't know, gear makes your shoulders bigger even if you sit on the sofa.
Mike’s response at the end says it all
😂
Thank you for affirming my assumption… was very fit the past few months but without shoulders it looks so unfit 😂
Correct. You can overcome a small clavicle by just over developed delts. And vice versa if you have a disproportionally wide shoulder.
Mike: “you just gestured to all of me”
I agree, having oversized arms isnt actually a good look which is why i almost never train arms and it helps me looking more proportional
I’m working on my shoulders for this reason. I didn’t realize other ppl felt this way. 😆
This is absolutely true.
From prioritizing lots of benching and pushups at various points in my gym life I have pretty massive triceps.
Unless I am very lean my shoulders have a sloping appearance because my tri’s dominate visually.
Now, I’m having to prioritize specifically side and rear delts. Which I never ignored but never gave the appropriate attention to.
@@traveling_feral likely have relatively narrow clavicles. Guys with wide clavicles get under developed triceps by prioritising compound movements.
@ No, I definitely don’t have narrow clavicles.
My situation is exactly as the video described.
I have broad shoulders that appear under developed in comparison to my triceps. I have decent delt development but I have greater relative triceps size.
The leaner I am the more obvious my delt development is.
I definitely agree, that's eat I learned after building too much arms and not enough delts
Big shoulders with small arms look laughable though. In fact regardless of your upper body level, undersized arms will always ruin your physique.
If I had to choose between meh-ok arms + great delts VS meh-ok delts + great arms, I'd pick the latter without hesitation. People need to stop finding excuses to avoid proper arm training, arms will ALWAYS make your overall build look wider and more aesthetic.
@@JimBaker-ks4io yeah look at Arnold and his biceps. Other than maybe chest they're out of proportion to all his other muscle groups and it looks good aesthetically.
The situation from Jersey Shore
Mike israeltel is literally one of those guys he's talking about. I always say train your delts more than anything
Shoulders are by far the most important part to looking great
He's talking about Mike😁😅
I think it's because shoulders are a functional, athletic muscle. There's a reason why they're some of the most common athletic injuries. Powerful, strong shoulders are the foundation of all upper body strength in dynamic, twisting motions that bodybuilders do less of proportionately speaking. Look at how big boxers' shoulders are, or firefighters, or manual laborers.
Mike took that personally
He is literally describing Shayne from Smosh.
* neck sold separately
Thomas Delauer is funny as hell looking between his big weird biceps and seemingly small shoulders
This is the funniest video I’ve seen all year
It is better to train what you develop quicker. My shoulders developed quickly , but since I turned 50, arms are a beast to develop. Chest for me still stayed developed, but abs not so much. Thankfully legs are easy for me. Just wish I had more
Time for flexibility exercises
Poor Mike😂
He just explained him to a T
Its my first time seeing chris using the word like that much
0:03 Mike: you callin me fat? 😠
He was trying to save it but he just kept making it worse 😂 even the cameraman was shaking lmao
*Cries in powerlifting physique*
The fact that mike actually does look
Months later, Dr. Mike will have big shoulders.
Dude is right about those shoulders, I put extra work into those deltoids.
I dont train side delts at all. Im a powerlifter and have never cared much for them. Nobody around me cares. People call me buff on the regular
Shoulder to weight ratio is the king of being attractive looking, but everything matters😊
Shortly after Mike was spotted doing delt supersets
This is gold😂😂
Glad to hear that as someone which arms are being a bitch to grow but shoulders are doing kinda ok
Someone's going to be working shoulders after this one..
Chris isn’t talking about mikes build, he referring to people with underdeveloped delts relative to their development level on bicep. Mike has huge delts, huge biceps = huge arm. When you have no delts but bicep is really big then your arms look small.
I got those. Particularly my left rear delt is non-existent due to some shoulder plate shit that a doctor wasn't too bothered about 10 years ago.
Many people can’t grow their shoulders that much. Should I just stop doing my arms because my shoulders won’t grow as fast?
“In a tank top can look kinda cool” him lol
Arms are equally important in my opinion
Here is an example of accidently insulting your buddy and then spending 10 minutes wittering about nothing trying to make it all go away.
Arguing about taste. It's different for everyone.
Anecdotal but I get a lot of compliments for my shoulders but no woman ever talked about my arms (even though theyre comparably large imo).
What do you do when your shoulders don't want to grow no matter what 🥲
Mike got in 3 extra sets of half blinks on this one….
Ive spent the majority of my lifting career trying not to be the "big arm guy". Big arms are awesome but you need yhe overall physique to match. Just big arms or their own really isnt it. Theres one guy in my gym all he does his biceps and triceps. Smashes biceps for like 45 mins. Switches to triceps for 45 mins then goes home lol
And he has no chest/back/leg development? 😂
No doubt that Mike thought that Chris was talking about him….this dude is so unbelievably insecure it just oozes off of him.
I have huge biceps and triceps and no shoulder due to a collarbone injury. Training shoulders or anything overhead hurts like hell 😢
Idk i stopped training my side delts. Having wide shoulders with triceps that are smaller makes your arms look tiny
as a woman, I am with Chris
the way he says "Faat?" you can hear the pain
Mike questioning his whole existence 😂
No matter what, you need height to match too if you’re going with big shoulders. Otherwise you just look short and stocky
I hate my shoulders , they can never grow as fast as the rest of my body, its so anoying. But yea, genetics plays a big role too.
Yeah thats why Steve reeves and Reg Park looked huge, their delts were big.
im actually going to say i personally love some disproportionately big arms. all the sorrounding muscles gotta be at least well developed, obviously, but yeah. gotta love some lee priest kinda aesthetic
He's right there bro jesus
Idk why mike israetel never had separation in his arms to delts... Look at that vs Kinobody 😂 huge difference
"Or at the very least in a tank top it can look cool." 😂
I like remote controls