When Leona mentioned the garden being a mess and the graffiti on the walls I thought "no way, the headmaster would never allow that" and then I remembered *who* is our headmaster...
@@luzcalderon7808 Crowley: "You may be asking, how do I control my students? And the answer is: I don't. I have no control over them. 😞" Yuu: "THEN TRY DOING YOUR JOB!"
I mean, yeah. People tend to romanticize NRC, but remember that is a school based off VILLAINS, even Dire Crowley said that the students are selfish and prideful, people there would most likely just think for themselves regardless of others, since Crowley almost cried when we told him that the ADeuce duo worked together.
Just hearing that word feels so wrong. It's true that the school is based of a group of villains, but even so, it still doesn't feel justified to call the students that. They're just boys. They're not real villains, even if they are pretty much prideful and self-centered.
@@annien.1727 Crowley words, not mines, he practically called his student animals by calling us “beast tamers” (or something like that that) when we got them to work together.
@@karolmiranda9298I thought beast tamer referred to how we managed Grim. But yeah, my earlier joke aside, I don’t think the cast is really meant to be evil despite who they’re based on. They might be shrewd, calculating, and egotistical, but the TWST boys can do the right thing when it counts.
@@shannonlewis2022 I don’t think they are meant to be evil either, but they aren’t exactly nice, they are in a between from, mean and nice (Kalim, Rook and Silver). I’m still pretty sure Yana designed them, not to be evil, but a bit mean, they are designed as people, they are still in their right mind to tell when to do something good.
I think everyone is forgetting that Leona and Idia do NOT have Trey's backstory with Riddle as context. You don't usually think to use your friends as a puppet king, but likely, in Trey's case, he was thinking Riddle was a better option than the current leader. It wasn't "I'm going to manipulate Riddle and get the dorm how I want it", but "Riddle is my friend and will listen if there are complaints." Leona and Idia do not know about Trey's severe guilt complex around Riddle that made him such an enabler to Riddle's tyranny, so they are painting him as this suspicious manipulator. Trey is a complex character who can both see Riddle as a better option for a dorm and care about Riddle as a person. It doesn't mean he went in actively thinking to manipulate Riddle, but he backed Riddle to bring about better change because Riddle is his friend and that means Riddle would value his opinions and hear him. People are not good or bad all the time, but they make decisions constantly and can actively change. Leona and Idia's opinions, while valid, are not the absolute experts on Trey or Cater. They don't know them very well, so their opinions are that, OPINIONS. Not fact.
@@MangaMaid4545 I love your perspective about this. It's true that Leona and Idia are very... "Outsider POV" at the moment because they are from other dorms. Can't say the same about Cater since it's not like him and Riddle had a past history with each other but Trey is definitely someone who looked out for Riddle from the start. Iirc he even PREPARED for the year that Riddle was going to enter NRC. The perception of how Heartslabyul was and is viewed from the outside is probably the focus of this part and also to give more context into how Heartslabyul worked which is interesting to note. Also, since Leona and Idia do tend to see things from an objective pov rather than an emotional one.
@@fleurism Mmhm. Cater I'm more willing to accept as being a manipulator because he does manipulate us into doing his work of Painting the Roses for him before he tells us that he can't let us in to apologize to Riddle in Book 1, but I saw a lot of people get mad at Trey because of Leona and Idia's perspective and I'm going, "But Idia and Leona don't know about Trey's and Riddle's backstory." Like just because Idia and Leona say it's so, doesn't mean they're right. Particularly with Trey and Riddle's dynamic, they are UNRELIABLE narrators.
In the case of Riddle being the dorm leader i have the same thoughts but I also think that Trey is still a little manipulative since he has proven to be a little suspicious before
@@Wolfy-pw2py Just because Trey can be manipulative does not mean he manipulates Riddle. People aren't always manipulative just because they use it or sometimes a person is not conscious of it. Trey likely uses manipulation against the masses of Heartslabyul rather than Riddle. Idia and Leona are acting like Trey is actively manipulating RIDDLE, which is not how I read Trey and Riddle at all. Trey has a severe guilt complex around Riddle, likely given he's the one who provided the treat that made Mrs. Rosehearts flip her lid and he's the one who's still BANNED A DECADE LATER from Riddle's house. For other members of the dorm, I can see Trey manipulating people to stay calm and in line, but I don't think his guilt complex would actively allow him to knowingly manipulate Riddle. If he is manipulating Riddle, it's likely not intentional or for using Riddle as a puppet, but more likely trying to get Riddle to calm down.
He's so trusting towards the people he looks up to that it makes me cry. Hopefully that type of trust won't get him somewhere too horrible in the future
In Riddle’s classroom chat, he did talk about how Wonderland was a chaotic madhouse before the Queen stepped in, go figure. It also matches well with Deuce’s life.
This made me realize how the writers are intentionally drawing parallels to the events in the original movies. For example, Leona's dream reflects what happened to Scar, and now this connection as well. It makes me wonder if pre-canon NRC's tradition of passing down their seats to the current housewardens also mirrors the plot of the movies. Anyway, thanks for sharing the Riddle reference and tidbit!
I'm not too surprised about Trey being manipulative. I mean, he has shown to be a suspicious person afterall. Let's remember the fact that he doesn't want to attract much attention to himself and has always shown to be a nice person. This type of thing could easily fool people to think that he's a person who is easy to talk or be with. We have to remember this is a school of villains, of course they will be twisted in some kind of way (There are exceptions like Kalim, Silver and Rook though). But not gonna lie, this was a smart move from both of them actually. They let Riddle handled the rest, doing the job for them instead. Although there's a few flaws letting Riddle lead the dorm, from what Leona said, Heartslabyul's state is much better than before which shows how much capable Riddle is. (with the help of Cater and Trey since they are his advisors you could say). For example, NO ONE drops from Heartslabyul. Isn't that impressive enough? Also, Cater and Trey are the people that Riddle trust the most which makes it very easy for them to manipulate him and as Leona says, creating their ideal dorm (or close to that at least).
😠STOP calling them that! It feels so wrong to describe them as such! This ISN'T a school for villains in any way! They're just boys! That's all they are! They're NOT villains! Sure, they can be prideful and self-centered, but still, they're not all bad!
Imo, I agree with another comment which says that Trey was looking through an objective lens. He knows how studious Riddle is and how short tempered he is, which is super in character to be the head of a dorm literally based off of having the qualities of severe, strict and harsh. I don’t think Trey was a manipulator, plus this is also a dream. If this is considered the true nature then buff epel is a reality! 😂
Now I thank god that we had to see Cater's dream before Ace's, if Ace had to see this side of cater and trey he would suspect them more than Deuce (who tends to be dumb sometimes, but his honesty and straight-forward thinking would make him believe more in his senpai). Now I wonder if we will get Trey's POV in this matter in his dream, as mentioned by others I don't think he meant to manipulate Riddle but rather to support him making Heartslabyul a better dorm. Still, I would like to see him and Riddle talking and clearing things from their childhood.
If the plan was for Trey and Cater to manipulate Riddle they failed and failed hard. Riddle’s title was Tyrant, HE dictated things, the dorm followed HIS rules or else. Trey and Cater were more Riddle’s lackeys/henchmen/enforcers than advisers. Riddle is strict, no nonsense and determined but he is reasonable for the most part. Honestly I think his overblot was more a case of really bad timing than anything. Like he just got back to school after dealing with his nightmare of a mother, there were a hundred and one things to prepare since the school year is just starting and everyone else is still in lazy mode, some of his newest freshmen caused an unmitigated disaster with the chandelier thing which he has to take responsibility for as the dorm leader, everyone is breaking rules left right and center since they just got back from break and are refamiliarizing themselves with it or are new and haven’t read the rule book yet, then Ace challenges him for the position that he earned when Ace was the one who broke the rules and he just exploded. I think he would have calmed down as everyone else got familiar with the rules and he remembered that he is away from his mom’s bullshit.
Yeah, pretty much, unfortunately. This is something that also applies to Cater as well for the most part (excluding a past history with Riddle), but, even as a fan of both Trey and Cater, I do know that they aren’t going to be 100% good due to being at NRC and they do have dark void/cosmic magic, but like what I saw a couple of commenters point out, Idia and Leona are LITERALLY OUTSIDERS to Heartslabyul, and to Trey, Riddle, and Cater. They do not know anything about Riddle and Trey, their backstory, nor do they know anything about Cater, either. Another good point I saw under this video was that this is also a dream. And, to quote them, “if this is considered the true nature, then buff Epel is a reality!” They may not be complete goody two shoes, but they aren’t that bad, either. Edit: Also, when Ortho was reassuring Deuce about the honor student thing, he said that this is a distorted reality, so they're being mislead on what is true and what isn't. Deuce waking up also highlighted how importabt being an honor student is to him, so that is why I was surprised his dream was him still being a delinquent when he wants to leave that behind. Long story short, the dreams shouldn't be taken at face value.
Last night, I initially decided I was not going to leave this comment since it is random (and I acknowledged that as well in the long comment I left under one of Ekala’s videos), and because it is honestly wholly unrelated to this video. But I changed my mind since Trey’s hobby has come up more than once in the comment section. For context, the reason why I addressed this in a comment under one of Ekala’s fan translations of the Nightmare Before Christmas event is because Trey was critiquing the foods that Idia eats since they do not properly excercise the jaw. Riddle says, “Trey’s hobby aside.” I may not be a dental expert, but exercising your jaw and brushing teeth are two separate things. Anyways, the bulk of this comment is about how Trey’s hobby is categorized and why I feel it should have been listed differently. I feel like his hobby should’ve been listed as dentistry rather than brushing teeth. With dentistry I would have just thought he studies dental related textbooks, materials, stuff online, and dentist related medical journals, etc. It is honestly pretty clear that he does study dental related materials. A hobby isn’t just doing something that interests you, but also studying something that interests you. I also do agree with the reply @/sevenqualson’s reply of “Someone who works with cavity producing confections his whole life?” On the topic of his hobby listed as teeth brushing. After all, his parent’s were the ones to stress how important it is to take proper care of his teeth for that reason. Trey likely isn’t any different than Sebek’s dad, or Willy Wonka’s dad in the 2005 movie “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.” (And yes, I do know those two are dentists.)
Oh my god, i just realised from this thay it's not only cater that's good ar hiding what he's thinking, it's trey as well!. I think trey is so ignored(as a character), but we should remember he's in NRC, and lived in both conditions of lawless abd strict lawful dorm, we don't know how troublesome trey would've been in hus first year, cater too. Trey seems all nice and kind and so cater, if cater's kind face can be somewhat an act, so can be trey's as well. Like once you start loving the chaos and wild fun the sudden change from that to strict life most definitely is impactful, who knows? Cater and trey must've had a dislike for riddle at first until they accepted him, or well, they had to. All the third years aren't shrewd and complicated for no reason after all, every one of them had their backstory and reason for the way they are now. So does trey, you know what they say, people who look nice might not actually be all nice and good. I'm pretty sure both cater and trey manipulate their dormmates when they have to or for their advantage, secretly. I mean, every one in nrc does. But, Trey is seen as a green flag, but do you all have any guarantee of that? People can be expert at hiding their real thoughts and emotions and that applies to every in nrc too. Crowley did said everyone is prideful and selfish in this school, and everyone means everyone. One thing dor sure, no matter how much troublesome nrc is or had been over the years, the students are clever enough not to leak any of that information outside of school otherwise it's a surprise that nrc is still standing in one of the top two schools.
I think to add to this, Trey's lab vignette is a perfect example of him being manipulative for the sake of keeping peace. That constantly tends to be his stick I find. Same with culinary crucible, where he's called out by Vil for constantly monitoring and manipulating the results/consequences for the first years learn how to make. It could be seen as him being nice, but that niceness that helps smooth things over robs other of mistakes to learn from. He pushes his niceness for the sake of avoid conflict too far a lot. While not malicious, he definitely is manipulative in an "overbearing motherly sneaking favours so grandma will like the kids more" type of way
@@ah57588 Yeah, that's the best way to describe it. So..is he still a green flag? Considering what happened in chapter 2.. I'd say he's half green half yellow. Not afraid to take revenge/payback.
Deuce is so pure-hearted in Cater's dream world ilhsm💙♠ Honestly this makes me so excited for the rest of the Heartslabyul dream world cards, I can't wait✨💯🥰 Thaks for uploading the vids with translations👍
woah this reminds me of the fanfic where the characters are characterized correctly and esp trey being fishy and their 'Yuu' assumes he's not just 'an average guy' people think he is and a pretty good liar by saying he has more layers than the onions he's peeling lol
I edited a reply I left to include this, but I wanted to leave it as a separate comment since it is honestly important to keep in mind: When Ortho was reassuring Deuce about the honor student thing, he said that the dreams are a distorted view of desires/a distorted reality, so they're being mislead on what is true and what isn't. Deuce waking up also highlighted how important being an honor student is to him, so that is why I was surprised his dream was him still being a delinquent when he wants to leave that behind. Long story short, the dreams shouldn't be taken at face value.
If I may ask, what happened in Deuce's dream? Cause he's here with us now, and I'm curious on what his dream was like. (I also wanna know what his reaction was to Yuu and Grim going around waking everyone up. Cause I remember seeing a clip of Jack's dream where he surprised and proud of us for helping everyone)
6 words. NRC turned into a mafia AU. This was both traumatizing and so unserious Actually I changed my mind, I'll yap it out because I want to so: NRC has turned into this gang like dorm where each other has their own "turf" Heartslabyul's turf is the library so if other dorms wants to get books they have to get through them first (why are they gatekeeping education AT A SCHOOL?) or how Octavinelle's turf is the shops, and if you want to buy something you have to get through them first and so on with the other dorms. Ramshackle is safe because the Headmaster deems it to be safe so I believe there's no Octavinelle plot for Deuce's dream Deuce's dream seems to have this protective streak around Yuu and Grim because this happens, Leona & Yuu together because yk the group is together Cater: "Leona, did Yuu transfer loyalties to Savanaclaw now?" Leona (feigning ignorance): "No? I'm just passing by." Trey: "Oh, that's good because if you were together with them, we would have needed to cut ties since they're close to our 1st years." SO ITS A WHOLE MAFIA THING OML Deuce, and Ace are supposedly the ones who accompany Yuu & Grim if they want to go to other dorms (I'm guessing they beat up the guys in the turf yk...or act as their shield) They're all in the cafeteria for this btw and the intro to this dream is that we see a Scarabia student with a mohawk. Turns out Heartslabyul took over the cafeteria which was originally Scarabia's turf and they're planning to take it back, dawg they even have to fight for food here?? PEOPLE ARE STARVING IN THIS DREAM DEUCE Anyways everyone is shocked by this dream since Deuce did want to be an honor student so...what happened? Then Octavinelle is having a raid in the library because they need to study. Ace and Deuce are infamous for picking fights or just fighting for the dorm in general so they're all sent there to defend the turf. Ends with Deuce saying he's going to read, Sebek gets excited to read a book, looks at said book and finds nothing in it (because this is Deuce's dream and it's sort of jumbling his brain) and then throws the book at Deuce saying, "Books are for reading! Not for weapons" (Grim in the bg says, "But you just did the same thing right now...") Whole wake up sequence happens through blot Ace and THIS IS WAS SO BAD I CRIED. Gonna post the clip later because I'm not retyping all of Ace's lines but tldr this is the scenario Blot Ace: "I'm such a good person!" Deuce's consciousness fighting with him: "Uh, are you sure about that?" As for his reaction with Yuu & Grim, these were the lines iirc Grim: "Me and Yuu have been working so hard ever since!" Deuce: "You guys helped a lot...But! Now that I'm awake, I'll also help." This is made me remember that the 2 years of no Adeuce main story update is only a few days for them in the actual story 😞 Anyway, I genuinely expected something Deuce to have something about his mother but turns out he got the silly dream for this chapter drop..makes me a little worried for what Ace's dream is gonna be like if Deuce was already this unserious.
@@fleurism Ngl, that sounds kinda funny. Just everything being completely unserious makes me excited for the clip. Also, Deuce being protective around Yuu and Grim is kinda cute
Im a bad person After i heard that cater and trey are manipulating riddle, I saw Caters outfits and i screamed. Im still saving for his uniform cause GODDAMN
I can buy Cater trying to use Riddle, but Trey???? They've known each other since childhood, he must have known trying to manipulate Riddle would backfire on them
I agree. Remember Idia and Leona don't have Trey's backstory like we do. I don't think Trey was looking at Riddle as a puppet king, but more as a better option. He knew he couldn't overthrow the dorm leader, but Riddle could. And Riddle is his childhood friend. Likely he was thinking "Well, Riddle is my friend, so he will probably listen to me and hear me if there's complaints so, it'd be better to have someone like Riddle who actually will care and listen to the dorm lead than our current leader." It's not totally coming from a place of "I'm gonna use him to further my agenda." but more of "Riddle will actually listen and he's strong enough to take power, so I'll support my friend."
Trey may have thought that things would be better with Riddle in charge, but I agree with you. Trey does sometimes show a trickster or devious side, but he also deeply cares for Riddle. I do not see him as a manipulator. If anything, Trey is too much of a “yes-man” when it comes to Riddle. If Cater had any thought that he and Trey would be able to control Riddle, he was so wrong! 😅 Riddle ran that dorm according to his standards and goals. NO ONE gained power through persuading Riddle to make decisions. Even Trey as the Vice Housewarden could barely do anything when Riddle was in his full-tyrant stage.
I always thought trey was suspicious like saying his Um is nothing special its a literal double edged sword useful in defending as seen by turning the roses to cards and attacking we dont have proof that he has used it to attack but he can override reality
I knew something was off about Trey from the start, but holy crap. There’s no way he can be a “normal student” while having brushing his teeth as a hobby, his obsession with teeth, and be in Heartslabyul of all dorms while being “normal”
![[ツイステ] Twisted Wonderland - This is Halloween (NRC Ver., Color Coded)](/img/n.gif)
When Leona mentioned the garden being a mess and the graffiti on the walls I thought "no way, the headmaster would never allow that" and then I remembered *who* is our headmaster...
@@luzcalderon7808
Crowley: "You may be asking, how do I control my students? And the answer is: I don't. I have no control over them. 😞"
Yuu: "THEN TRY DOING YOUR JOB!"
@@Letmesleep_0k Crowley: *laughs in minimum wage*
@@mei_needs_sleepIt's a prestigious private school with princes PLURAL!!! He is NAWT being paid minimum wage 😂 (/nm)
I mean, yeah. People tend to romanticize NRC, but remember that is a school based off VILLAINS, even Dire Crowley said that the students are selfish and prideful, people there would most likely just think for themselves regardless of others, since Crowley almost cried when we told him that the ADeuce duo worked together.
I can fix them.
Just hearing that word feels so wrong. It's true that the school is based of a group of villains, but even so, it still doesn't feel justified to call the students that.
They're just boys. They're not real villains, even if they are pretty much prideful and self-centered.
@@annien.1727 Crowley words, not mines, he practically called his student animals by calling us “beast tamers” (or something like that that) when we got them to work together.
@@karolmiranda9298I thought beast tamer referred to how we managed Grim. But yeah, my earlier joke aside, I don’t think the cast is really meant to be evil despite who they’re based on. They might be shrewd, calculating, and egotistical, but the TWST boys can do the right thing when it counts.
@@shannonlewis2022 I don’t think they are meant to be evil either, but they aren’t exactly nice, they are in a between from, mean and nice (Kalim, Rook and Silver). I’m still pretty sure Yana designed them, not to be evil, but a bit mean, they are designed as people, they are still in their right mind to tell when to do something good.
Leona giving Deuce trust issues lmao 😭
Ikr. Cater gets him and Idia for this but don't worry, said trust issues get patched up by Cay-cay later -(he's deflecting)-
I think everyone is forgetting that Leona and Idia do NOT have Trey's backstory with Riddle as context. You don't usually think to use your friends as a puppet king, but likely, in Trey's case, he was thinking Riddle was a better option than the current leader. It wasn't "I'm going to manipulate Riddle and get the dorm how I want it", but "Riddle is my friend and will listen if there are complaints." Leona and Idia do not know about Trey's severe guilt complex around Riddle that made him such an enabler to Riddle's tyranny, so they are painting him as this suspicious manipulator. Trey is a complex character who can both see Riddle as a better option for a dorm and care about Riddle as a person. It doesn't mean he went in actively thinking to manipulate Riddle, but he backed Riddle to bring about better change because Riddle is his friend and that means Riddle would value his opinions and hear him. People are not good or bad all the time, but they make decisions constantly and can actively change. Leona and Idia's opinions, while valid, are not the absolute experts on Trey or Cater. They don't know them very well, so their opinions are that, OPINIONS. Not fact.
@@MangaMaid4545 I love your perspective about this. It's true that Leona and Idia are very... "Outsider POV" at the moment because they are from other dorms.
Can't say the same about Cater since it's not like him and Riddle had a past history with each other but Trey is definitely someone who looked out for Riddle from the start.
Iirc he even PREPARED for the year that Riddle was going to enter NRC. The perception of how Heartslabyul was and is viewed from the outside is probably the focus of this part and also to give more context into how Heartslabyul worked which is interesting to note. Also, since Leona and Idia do tend to see things from an objective pov rather than an emotional one.
@@fleurism Mmhm. Cater I'm more willing to accept as being a manipulator because he does manipulate us into doing his work of Painting the Roses for him before he tells us that he can't let us in to apologize to Riddle in Book 1, but I saw a lot of people get mad at Trey because of Leona and Idia's perspective and I'm going, "But Idia and Leona don't know about Trey's and Riddle's backstory." Like just because Idia and Leona say it's so, doesn't mean they're right. Particularly with Trey and Riddle's dynamic, they are UNRELIABLE narrators.
THANK YOU!! I agree, I do really love your perspective as well and you are very spot on!
In the case of Riddle being the dorm leader i have the same thoughts but I also think that Trey is still a little manipulative since he has proven to be a little suspicious before
@@Wolfy-pw2py Just because Trey can be manipulative does not mean he manipulates Riddle. People aren't always manipulative just because they use it or sometimes a person is not conscious of it. Trey likely uses manipulation against the masses of Heartslabyul rather than Riddle. Idia and Leona are acting like Trey is actively manipulating RIDDLE, which is not how I read Trey and Riddle at all. Trey has a severe guilt complex around Riddle, likely given he's the one who provided the treat that made Mrs. Rosehearts flip her lid and he's the one who's still BANNED A DECADE LATER from Riddle's house. For other members of the dorm, I can see Trey manipulating people to stay calm and in line, but I don't think his guilt complex would actively allow him to knowingly manipulate Riddle. If he is manipulating Riddle, it's likely not intentional or for using Riddle as a puppet, but more likely trying to get Riddle to calm down.
After hearing about old Heartslabyul, Riddle taking over sounds like a godsend
NOT DEUCE HAVING TO GO “I think they’re not bad people…?” 😅
He's so trusting towards the people he looks up to that it makes me cry. Hopefully that type of trust won't get him somewhere too horrible in the future
In Riddle’s classroom chat, he did talk about how Wonderland was a chaotic madhouse before the Queen stepped in, go figure. It also matches well with Deuce’s life.
This made me realize how the writers are intentionally drawing parallels to the events in the original movies. For example, Leona's dream reflects what happened to Scar, and now this connection as well.
It makes me wonder if pre-canon NRC's tradition of passing down their seats to the current housewardens also mirrors the plot of the movies.
Anyway, thanks for sharing the Riddle reference and tidbit!
I'm not too surprised about Trey being manipulative. I mean, he has shown to be a suspicious person afterall. Let's remember the fact that he doesn't want to attract much attention to himself and has always shown to be a nice person. This type of thing could easily fool people to think that he's a person who is easy to talk or be with. We have to remember this is a school of villains, of course they will be twisted in some kind of way (There are exceptions like Kalim, Silver and Rook though). But not gonna lie, this was a smart move from both of them actually. They let Riddle handled the rest, doing the job for them instead. Although there's a few flaws letting Riddle lead the dorm, from what Leona said, Heartslabyul's state is much better than before which shows how much capable Riddle is. (with the help of Cater and Trey since they are his advisors you could say). For example, NO ONE drops from Heartslabyul. Isn't that impressive enough? Also, Cater and Trey are the people that Riddle trust the most which makes it very easy for them to manipulate him and as Leona says, creating their ideal dorm (or close to that at least).
From this story, it reveals a lot about Trey. For me, he is absolutely not a green flag at all but I wouldn't really say he is fully a red flag.
😠STOP calling them that! It feels so wrong to describe them as such! This ISN'T a school for villains in any way! They're just boys! That's all they are!
They're NOT villains! Sure, they can be prideful and self-centered, but still, they're not all bad!
@@annien.1727 Oh yea sorry I meant to say this is a school that is based of villains, not full of villains LOL
I would at least say that all of the overblot people commit crimes, which kinda makes them a criminal lmao
Imo, I agree with another comment which says that Trey was looking through an objective lens. He knows how studious Riddle is and how short tempered he is, which is super in character to be the head of a dorm literally based off of having the qualities of severe, strict and harsh. I don’t think Trey was a manipulator, plus this is also a dream. If this is considered the true nature then buff epel is a reality! 😂
this is lowkey one of the best explanations I have read so far
^^Agreed!! The original commenter, plus another commenter under this video, are a breath of fresh air!
The dreams made by Malleus is a type of dream that he thinks others want to see but disregards how they feel on multiple occasions as well
Riddle with a heart is so cute!!!
NO FR THOOO
Let me remind everyone that Trey truly cared for Riddle… and neither he nor Cater could control Riddle if they tried.
Now I thank god that we had to see Cater's dream before Ace's, if Ace had to see this side of cater and trey he would suspect them more than Deuce (who tends to be dumb sometimes, but his honesty and straight-forward thinking would make him believe more in his senpai).
Now I wonder if we will get Trey's POV in this matter in his dream, as mentioned by others I don't think he meant to manipulate Riddle but rather to support him making Heartslabyul a better dorm. Still, I would like to see him and Riddle talking and clearing things from their childhood.
Nahh when you forgot twisted wonderlands true nature and game pulled you a twisted card... amazing.
The Twisted Wonderland has twisted us I fear
@@fleurism the peak example of pretty privilege 😂
If the plan was for Trey and Cater to manipulate Riddle they failed and failed hard. Riddle’s title was Tyrant, HE dictated things, the dorm followed HIS rules or else. Trey and Cater were more Riddle’s lackeys/henchmen/enforcers than advisers. Riddle is strict, no nonsense and determined but he is reasonable for the most part. Honestly I think his overblot was more a case of really bad timing than anything. Like he just got back to school after dealing with his nightmare of a mother, there were a hundred and one things to prepare since the school year is just starting and everyone else is still in lazy mode, some of his newest freshmen caused an unmitigated disaster with the chandelier thing which he has to take responsibility for as the dorm leader, everyone is breaking rules left right and center since they just got back from break and are refamiliarizing themselves with it or are new and haven’t read the rule book yet, then Ace challenges him for the position that he earned when Ace was the one who broke the rules and he just exploded. I think he would have calmed down as everyone else got familiar with the rules and he remembered that he is away from his mom’s bullshit.
oof, it's like I can smell Trey's mischaracterizon increasing x10.
Yeah, pretty much, unfortunately.
This is something that also applies to Cater as well for the most part (excluding a past history with Riddle), but, even as a fan of both Trey and Cater, I do know that they aren’t going to be 100% good due to being at NRC and they do have dark void/cosmic magic, but like what I saw a couple of commenters point out, Idia and Leona are LITERALLY OUTSIDERS to Heartslabyul, and to Trey, Riddle, and Cater. They do not know anything about Riddle and Trey, their backstory, nor do they know anything about Cater, either.
Another good point I saw under this video was that this is also a dream. And, to quote them, “if this is considered the true nature, then buff Epel is a reality!”
They may not be complete goody two shoes, but they aren’t that bad, either.
Edit: Also, when Ortho was reassuring Deuce about the honor student thing, he said that this is a distorted reality, so they're being mislead on what is true and what isn't. Deuce waking up also highlighted how importabt being an honor student is to him, so that is why I was surprised his dream was him still being a delinquent when he wants to leave that behind.
Long story short, the dreams shouldn't be taken at face value.
Well, hope trey’s dream will make it better (or worse)
Last night, I initially decided I was not going to leave this comment since it is random (and I acknowledged that as well in the long comment I left under one of Ekala’s videos), and because it is honestly wholly unrelated to this video. But I changed my mind since Trey’s hobby has come up more than once in the comment section.
For context, the reason why I addressed this in a comment under one of Ekala’s fan translations of the Nightmare Before Christmas event is because Trey was critiquing the foods that Idia eats since they do not properly excercise the jaw. Riddle says, “Trey’s hobby aside.” I may not be a dental expert, but exercising your jaw and brushing teeth are two separate things.
Anyways, the bulk of this comment is about how Trey’s hobby is categorized and why I feel it should have been listed differently.
I feel like his hobby should’ve been listed as dentistry rather than brushing teeth.
With dentistry I would have just thought he studies dental related textbooks, materials, stuff online, and dentist related medical journals, etc. It is honestly pretty clear that he does study dental related materials. A hobby isn’t just doing something that interests you, but also studying something that interests you.
I also do agree with the reply @/sevenqualson’s reply of “Someone who works with cavity producing confections his whole life?” On the topic of his hobby listed as teeth brushing. After all, his parent’s were the ones to stress how important it is to take proper care of his teeth for that reason.
Trey likely isn’t any different than Sebek’s dad, or Willy Wonka’s dad in the 2005 movie “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory.” (And yes, I do know those two are dentists.)
Leona and Idia be giving Deuce trust issues, and im all here for it (but poor Deuce brah, bro seems in so much denial rn 😭‼️)
Please remember guys, Leona and Idia don’t know the backstory for Riddle and Trey.
Oh my god, i just realised from this thay it's not only cater that's good ar hiding what he's thinking, it's trey as well!. I think trey is so ignored(as a character), but we should remember he's in NRC, and lived in both conditions of lawless abd strict lawful dorm, we don't know how troublesome trey would've been in hus first year, cater too. Trey seems all nice and kind and so cater, if cater's kind face can be somewhat an act, so can be trey's as well. Like once you start loving the chaos and wild fun the sudden change from that to strict life most definitely is impactful, who knows? Cater and trey must've had a dislike for riddle at first until they accepted him, or well, they had to. All the third years aren't shrewd and complicated for no reason after all, every one of them had their backstory and reason for the way they are now. So does trey, you know what they say, people who look nice might not actually be all nice and good. I'm pretty sure both cater and trey manipulate their dormmates when they have to or for their advantage, secretly. I mean, every one in nrc does. But, Trey is seen as a green flag, but do you all have any guarantee of that? People can be expert at hiding their real thoughts and emotions and that applies to every in nrc too. Crowley did said everyone is prideful and selfish in this school, and everyone means everyone. One thing dor sure, no matter how much troublesome nrc is or had been over the years, the students are clever enough not to leak any of that information outside of school otherwise it's a surprise that nrc is still standing in one of the top two schools.
I think to add to this, Trey's lab vignette is a perfect example of him being manipulative for the sake of keeping peace. That constantly tends to be his stick I find. Same with culinary crucible, where he's called out by Vil for constantly monitoring and manipulating the results/consequences for the first years learn how to make. It could be seen as him being nice, but that niceness that helps smooth things over robs other of mistakes to learn from. He pushes his niceness for the sake of avoid conflict too far a lot. While not malicious, he definitely is manipulative in an "overbearing motherly sneaking favours so grandma will like the kids more" type of way
Riddle even observed this with Trey during the Beanfest story
@@ah57588 Yeah, that's the best way to describe it. So..is he still a green flag? Considering what happened in chapter 2.. I'd say he's half green half yellow. Not afraid to take revenge/payback.
Deuce is so pure-hearted in Cater's dream world ilhsm💙♠ Honestly this makes me so excited for the rest of the Heartslabyul dream world cards, I can't wait✨💯🥰 Thaks for uploading the vids with translations👍
woah this reminds me of the fanfic where the characters are characterized correctly and esp trey being fishy and their 'Yuu' assumes he's not just 'an average guy' people think he is and a pretty good liar by saying he has more layers than the onions he's peeling lol
Name and site please
Is it Yuu and the power of magic by writingerror?
@@iseeyuu Yeah, it's a very good fic and the author is good at assuming theories too
@yanfeithebestlawer9675 Yuu and the Power of Magic by writingerror on ao3
I knew Trey was full of LIES when he said "I'm just a normal dude"
Everyone did. No way normal dude would have brushing his teeth as hobby
He's the deflection final boss
I edited a reply I left to include this, but I wanted to leave it as a separate comment since it is honestly important to keep in mind:
When Ortho was reassuring Deuce about the honor student thing, he said that the dreams are a distorted view of desires/a distorted reality, so they're being mislead on what is true and what isn't. Deuce waking up also highlighted how important being an honor student is to him, so that is why I was surprised his dream was him still being a delinquent when he wants to leave that behind.
Long story short, the dreams shouldn't be taken at face value.
If I may ask, what happened in Deuce's dream? Cause he's here with us now, and I'm curious on what his dream was like.
(I also wanna know what his reaction was to Yuu and Grim going around waking everyone up. Cause I remember seeing a clip of Jack's dream where he surprised and proud of us for helping everyone)
He was back into his delinquent days in his dream. Even comes with him in his bleached hair
6 words. NRC turned into a mafia AU. This was both traumatizing and so unserious
Actually I changed my mind, I'll yap it out because I want to so:
NRC has turned into this gang like dorm where each other has their own "turf"
Heartslabyul's turf is the library so if other dorms wants to get books they have to get through them first (why are they gatekeeping education AT A SCHOOL?)
or how Octavinelle's turf is the shops, and if you want to buy something you have to get through them first and so on with the other dorms.
Ramshackle is safe because the Headmaster deems it to be safe so I believe there's no Octavinelle plot for Deuce's dream
Deuce's dream seems to have this protective streak around Yuu and Grim because this happens,
Leona & Yuu together because yk the group is together
Cater: "Leona, did Yuu transfer loyalties to Savanaclaw now?"
Leona (feigning ignorance): "No? I'm just passing by."
Trey: "Oh, that's good because if you were together with them, we would have needed to cut ties since they're close to our 1st years."
SO ITS A WHOLE MAFIA THING OML
Deuce, and Ace are supposedly the ones who accompany Yuu & Grim if they want to go to other dorms (I'm guessing they beat up the guys in the turf yk...or act as their shield)
They're all in the cafeteria for this btw and the intro to this dream is that we see a Scarabia student with a mohawk. Turns out Heartslabyul took over the cafeteria which was originally Scarabia's turf and they're planning to take it back, dawg they even have to fight for food here?? PEOPLE ARE STARVING IN THIS DREAM DEUCE
Anyways everyone is shocked by this dream since Deuce did want to be an honor student so...what happened?
Then Octavinelle is having a raid in the library because they need to study. Ace and Deuce are infamous for picking fights or just fighting for the dorm in general so they're all sent there to defend the turf.
Ends with Deuce saying he's going to read, Sebek gets excited to read a book, looks at said book and finds nothing in it (because this is Deuce's dream and it's sort of jumbling his brain) and then throws the book at Deuce saying, "Books are for reading! Not for weapons" (Grim in the bg says, "But you just did the same thing right now...")
Whole wake up sequence happens through blot Ace and THIS IS WAS SO BAD I CRIED.
Gonna post the clip later because I'm not retyping all of Ace's lines but tldr this is the scenario
Blot Ace: "I'm such a good person!"
Deuce's consciousness fighting with him: "Uh, are you sure about that?"
As for his reaction with Yuu & Grim, these were the lines iirc
Grim: "Me and Yuu have been working so hard ever since!"
Deuce: "You guys helped a lot...But! Now that I'm awake, I'll also help."
This is made me remember that the 2 years of no Adeuce main story update is only a few days for them in the actual story 😞
Anyway, I genuinely expected something Deuce to have something about his mother but turns out he got the silly dream for this chapter drop..makes me a little worried for what Ace's dream is gonna be like if Deuce was already this unserious.
@@fleurism Ngl, that sounds kinda funny. Just everything being completely unserious makes me excited for the clip.
Also, Deuce being protective around Yuu and Grim is kinda cute
Riddle will overblot once again when he finds out that the good guys he had as his advisors are actually his pupeteers.
Im a bad person
After i heard that cater and trey are manipulating riddle, I saw Caters outfits and i screamed. Im still saving for his uniform cause GODDAMN
Stop making Deuce have anxiety!! XD
TREY????? I expected more from you. And no, Cater using Riddle for his benefit isn´t something new so I ain´t surpised
pls no wonder Trey looked sus to me
I can buy Cater trying to use Riddle, but Trey???? They've known each other since childhood, he must have known trying to manipulate Riddle would backfire on them
I agree. Remember Idia and Leona don't have Trey's backstory like we do. I don't think Trey was looking at Riddle as a puppet king, but more as a better option. He knew he couldn't overthrow the dorm leader, but Riddle could. And Riddle is his childhood friend. Likely he was thinking "Well, Riddle is my friend, so he will probably listen to me and hear me if there's complaints so, it'd be better to have someone like Riddle who actually will care and listen to the dorm lead than our current leader." It's not totally coming from a place of "I'm gonna use him to further my agenda." but more of "Riddle will actually listen and he's strong enough to take power, so I'll support my friend."
Trey may have thought that things would be better with Riddle in charge, but I agree with you. Trey does sometimes show a trickster or devious side, but he also deeply cares for Riddle. I do not see him as a manipulator. If anything, Trey is too much of a “yes-man” when it comes to Riddle. If Cater had any thought that he and Trey would be able to control Riddle, he was so wrong! 😅 Riddle ran that dorm according to his standards and goals. NO ONE gained power through persuading Riddle to make decisions. Even Trey as the Vice Housewarden could barely do anything when Riddle was in his full-tyrant stage.
I always thought trey was suspicious like saying his Um is nothing special its a literal double edged sword useful in defending as seen by turning the roses to cards and attacking we dont have proof that he has used it to attack but he can override reality
I knew Trey was fishy!
Yeah, he was from the start we all just ignored that slight sign. He's in nrc for a reason after all. Don't think he's a green flag, at all.
@@GurbaniGill-eb7xghis smirk was big giveaway and his obsession on teeth
Not to me, he wasn't.
@@hipsterwriter fr
@annien.1727 it's okay. I am biased against trey. His teeth obsession is weird.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trey really did have bad intentions with Riddle, I mean who has teeth-brushing as a hobby?? 😭
Someone who works with cavity producing confections all his life?
I knew something was off about Trey from the start, but holy crap. There’s no way he can be a “normal student” while having brushing his teeth as a hobby, his obsession with teeth, and be in Heartslabyul of all dorms while being “normal”
Trey, you're better than this!!!!
im gonna be honest i didnt understand shit
TLDR: (1) Heartslabyul was lawless before Riddle became leader. (2) Leona and Idia think Trey and Cater are using Riddle irl.
@@elementalcolors4977 genuinely this is like 10/10 summary
@@elementalcolors4977 but like why r they using him