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Japanese Culture is absolutely amazing! I was born in Misawa. The people are always extremely polite and courteous. Enjoyed the video. Thank you for all your great content!
In-fact, they were such good friends that Japan tried to break up the nasty Chinese civil war by murdering hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians. YAY! FRIENDSHIP!
"We, the kingdom on the eastern isles, therefore establish diplomatic relations with you by sending 4 male and 6 female slaves and a couple of towels." Man, I love the ancient politics.
@@elazar79 We, Wei, will warn Wa when warm winds wash wanton women westerly. Whilst watching warily, wise words work wonderous wiles. Who wants war with Wu? This isn't intended to hold any particular meaning. Your comment about We and Wa just struck me with a whimsical mood. 😉
And if one member of the family breaks law severely, the whole household was exterminated. You had to respect your clan leader, but watch him carefully he didn't fornicate, murder or steal - or you'd have been excuted with him.
It's funny because from living in Japan for 7 years I know that Japanese cannot typically process alcohol correctly. They get drunk off of such a small amount of liquor and get the typical "Asian flush" where their face goes red and they hiccup. If they drink as much as it takes the average man to get drunk they get deathly sick with a face as red as a tomato and they can die from alcohol poisoning doing as such.
@@saddgod That's so nuts to me. I'm trying to cut way back on alcohol and still actually feel it even. As a man with German and Cherokee descent directly it feels like I can pound half a bottle of whiskey and multiple beers and still feel unsatisfied and needing more. A bottle of sake is no problem, may as well be Kombucha
@dollan song to be or not to be that nerd but chances are in this time in history Japanese probably didn't sound the same or was even remotely similar to at the Japanese we have now
Takezo Kimura Both Chinese and Japanese names are written in same Chinese letters but different grammar structures, Chinese: 1 or 2 letters for family name and 1 or 2 letters as given name (A+B, A+BC, AB+C, AB+CD), for Japanese, they don't have those short names, they only have : A+BC, AB+C, AB+CD, AB+CDEF and as many as you want as given name.
I wondered how they measured their age if that was true. Middle easterners claim people can live past the 100s to the 120s and such. Dod the early japanese measure it based on seasons? I want to know since that's one reason we have ages like 120 something in history.
7:50 The name of Wei's capital still survives in one of the Japanese words that means "going to Kyoto", _jōraku_ (上洛, literally "going to Luoyang"), where the _raku_ is the Japanese pronunciation of "luo" in "Luoyang" (洛陽, _Rakuyō_ in Japanese)
Luoyang(洛阳/洛陽) still exists as a city in China. It has about 2 million residents in the city proper. But more importantly, a question. The more interesting part of the phrase for me is 上, i.e. going up to Kyoto. Is this because in Japan, more civilised/urban places are metaphorically considered to be above, like how trains are said to "climb/go up" when going in the direction of the city center and "decend/go down" when they go in the direction of suburbs and smaller towns?
@@2712animefreak In the case of trains, up/down is probably not unique to Japan; I live in Australia, and trains to the city centre are called up, and those away from the city centre called down technically (but it is not commonly used by the public like in Japan). The 上 thing is probably just directly borrowed from Chinese itself, since the older way of saying going to the capital in China is 上京 (also used in Japanese)
@@koalitaDormilona Thanks for the explanation, but still, why is going to the capital considered to be equivalent to climbing? Maybe the whole concept is borrowed from China.
@@2712animefreak It's not about climbing. It has parallels with 下乡 (going back to one's hometown/going to the countryside). Don't comparison English prepositions to Chinese particles. They don't work the same.
Actually the Wei kingdom capital was 開封, or KaFeng, but 洛陽 was the capital of the eastern Hang dynasty 東漢. Wei was officially still part of the Han dynasty, as all 3 kingdoms were officially still part of Han dynasty until the Emperor was forced to abdicate. So technically 洛陽 was still the capital of the whole China.
Note that clapping is still a feature of Shinto worship. (3:00) One of the greatest controversies in ancient Japanese historiography is exactly where the state of Yamatai lay in the Japanese archipelago. According to Chinese records, this was the name of the state ruled by the shamaness Pimiko. The historian who wrote the "Account of Wa", Chen Shou, described the route to get there from Daifang near Seoul, but if you follow his directions exactly you end up deep underwater. This leads to two alternatives: Assuming he got the distances right but the compass directions wrong, you end up in the Kinai near Kyoto and Osaka, in the historic kingdom of Yamato that eventually gave rise to the modern Japanese state. Assuming he got the compass directions right but the distances wrong, and you're in northern Kyushu. This is still an unsettled question because archaeology supplies arguments in support of both possibilities.
The key tombs of Pimiko are South Osaka, in a modern city called Sakai. I know because they are a 1 hour train ride from my home. Safe to say the Ancient city was this region.
maybe he had a set of two series of compass directions and two sets of distances forgot how many he had or mixed up the two or lost the other part of both forgot he lost them and then accidentally combined them while writing and didn't realize his mistake before publishing may have been mixed up in his memory or lost in a pile of notes as was common in writings in period as similar incidents are also found in other regions of the world where multiple different versions of direction and distances can be found for the same location or where the disreprancy between what a person told people about direction and distance and what is written by the time they publicsh their writings
ooh! I was the one requesting this video ! And it didn't disappoint! It's so well done! The video is nice too, but.. actually; you can just close your eyes and find yourself in a different time ^__^. Sure, there are documentaries.. and you can find these texts.. but having them read to you in this style, it's such a fantastic idea! Keep up the good work!
@@Shitbird3249 I'm sorry, you seem to have misunderstood my comment. I didn't say it was surprising. I said it was interesting. It is interesting to see which aspects of Japanese culture are affected by their neighbours and which aren't. Much in the same way it is interesting to see which aspects of the west have influenced and changed Japan since it opened up in the 1800's. Again, not surprising, but interesting. Hope that helps.
But here's the real question. Who is the elite of the Asian continent man? China Japan or korea? Or can we also add turkey? China gave Japan some culture but yet Japan annexed them and the other Asian countries. Who's the top dog?
Yep ... brilliant concept ... watched more than a few of these over last few months ... inherently fascinating ... and also, crucially, David Kelly's voice (precision / intonation / inflection) is a real pleasure to listen to.
The first mention of the Japanese archipelago was in the Chinese historic text Book of Later Han, in the year 57, in which it was noted that the Emperor of the Han dynasty gave a golden seal to Wa (Japan). The King of Na gold seal was discovered in northern Kyūshū in the eighteenth century. From then on Japan was repeatedly recorded in Chinese historical texts, at first sporadically, but eventually continuously as Japan matured into a notable power in the region.
@@jackjackyphantom8854 That is a question that is extremely difficult to begin to answer. But there are some historical records of Japan with none or minimal Chinese influence, such as Yamatai-koku during the Yayoi period (~1st - 3rd CE). Yamatai was shamanistic, expansionistic, and agrarian. Without the introduction of Tang Chinese cultures and government structures, it is interesting to imagine how Japan would find a way to eventually centralize into a single ethnic nation or not.
@@seer3336 I heard that Yamatai had the practices of face and body tattooing, eating raw fish and wet paddy rice farming, and their houses were wooden on stilts.
I always hear how ancient historical documents are exaggerated or having a motive to degrade the subject of the piece. But this just seems like a objective account of what ancient japan society was like
From what I know, ancient Chinese historians tended to be way more objective than historians in other ancient nations. In fact, I would say that this tradition of keeping meticulous, objective records is part of the reason why China is the nation with the clearest cultural continuity today, besides perhaps Greece. Other nations with long history of civilisation have had to rely on archaeology to really understand what their ancestors did.
@@StarSpawn06 the chinese texts could be very biased like any other piece of ancient text. I feel more like it's because there wasn't a cultural or political reason to be biased in the assessment of Kofun Japan. They weren't at war with them, they didn't have bad relations with them, and there wasn't any desire to annex them since it'll just be a pain in the ass with very little gain from a resource-poor island.
Wasn't there this ancient Chinese historian (Xi Maqian) who was framed and sentenced to death? He pledged replacing death sentence with extreme humiliating torture (he would be neutered in the process) because he was working on a huge history record. I would say a person who live on under humiliation for the sake of preserving history on record would try his best to be as objective as possible. I would also guess that many later Chinese historians thought of him as a hero and lived for history instead of the king.
@@maxpark1339 Even for China itself. The tradition was to organize historical records for previous one dynasty, instead of the current one, to avoid historians being persecuted for what they write.
There are many paragraphs skipped, including: - A guide to reach Himiko's capital, as well as settlements (implied to be self-ruling, by the use of the term 国 guó/kuni for each settlement, variously rendered as "settlements" and "provinces" in the translation in the video) along the way. Unfortunately, it quickly becomes unclear after reaching Fukuoka and thus there is still a debate where exactly the sphere of influence of Himiko's state end. My personal theory is roughly two-thirds of Kyushu. - The assignment of an intendant of Himiko in the settlement of Ito (either Itoshima or far west of Fukuoka) - A list of minerals, plants and animals produced by or present in Japan (pearls and jade top the list) - Further interactions between Japan and Wei in the period 240-248 (Jingchu 2 corresponds to 238 in Gregorian/Julian calendar)
This is a record from the Three Kingdoms period, but as mentioned in the account, envoys from Japan had frequented China since at least the preceding Han Dynasty
@@SeanHiruki the qin was definitely important both its contribution(standardising writing, legalism) and symbolically(unifying the whole middle Kingdom) despite its short existence
Sheetzn Gigglez I like Japan's history I'm Greek and we have the oldest biggest civilisation in Europe and one of the oldest on earth and we have so much history and I love learning about other culture civilisations history with respect
I don't think many in the West really appreciate just how advanced ancient Chinese culture was in its Zenith. It was comparable in ways to Greece and Rome at their heights.
@@sdssdds8415 - LOL, the largest Palace in recorded history is (Weiyang Palace) which literally translates to (Never Ending Palace ) constructed during the Han Dynasty, 3rd Century AD... and now the largest palace on the planet is still in China, which is the (Forbidden City), but it is 6.7 times smaller than Weiyang.
@@dayangmarikit6860 we're talking about cultures. China was divided multiple times also. Seeing that Weiyang burned down it must have been made of wood. The forbidden city came a 1000 years after the roman empire. Europeans were constructing cathedrals higher than the piramids by then.
sds sdds you seem like a western supremacist. I dont get you people who puts their ego on the same pedastrial as ancient civilisations, who doesnt have anything in common with their modern believe. For the record what do you make of Ankor Wat or Potala palast which still stands to this day?
@@cliz305 I think by late Zhou (Warring States Era) they stopped due to it being a shell state by that time. However I know sorcerers and astrologers still used it sparingly throughout the other dynasties. Xu Fu was a Qin-era sorcerer/alchemist who would have known, if not practiced that style of divination.
Note: This is with regards to Yamatai country (邪馬台国) that Himiko ruled at that time, one country out of the many that are though to have existed at that time in one of the islands that we would later call Japan (the actual location of the Yamatai country is still under debate since following the routes the Chinese historian left would lead you to the middle of nowhere... but that's another can of worms). So in context, this passage is more similar to an early Roman talking about one of the Celtic tribes on one of the major islands of the UK and the video being called "Ancient Roman historian describes Britain" -Which I am not faulting VoP or anything since no better title makes sense from a modern perspective.
and the title is not actually wrong because the country yamato was possibly settled on one of the main islands of Japan, and they're ancestors of modern Japanese yamato people (excluding other existing ethnicities that were blended into yamato as one nationality
@@soro31337 Some traditions are extremely old it goes to show, although some of it could be coincidental. I missed the clapping hands part, that's fascinating too. I wonder if the ancient Romans did the same gestures with their hands while talking as the Italians do now.
Human evolution is an extremely slow process without intermixing. They've been saying "change gon come" & "there's a revolution y'all" for generations now. Nothing's changed.
This was so early in Japanese history. When they were talking about the burial mounds, I was like "this was the Kofun period!". It's pretty amazing to me. When I visited Japan, most if the history was focused on the Edo-period, the early Shogunate and the Kamakura eta.
@@snow2076 To answer your question, probably not. The Kofun period marks the second era of the Yayoi (Yamato) culture. The decline of the Emishi marks the start of the Kamakura period after the Kofun period. As a side note, the Emishi were probably not related to the Ainu.
@@cudanmang_theog that means Japanese probably have same ancestor as most of the Austronesian speaker (the Southeast Asia people)? It has been said that there are traces of austronesian speaker tribe in Japan. But Japanese language itself is an Isolated language, so it wasn't been brought there by the immigrants right?
@@VoicesofthePast I've always been a fan of history, was one of my best subjects in school. I found myself wondering what life would have been like in such a society back then. It seems to different than anything we're used to.
The history can be highly confusing and sometimes inaccurate. For example, there's no Himiko in the recording of Japanese side. She did not exist. This is why ancient history is fascinating, everything was recorded from someone s own words, we do not know whether it's true, what was the context? Or it was simply misunderstood due to loss in translation.
Kojiki, Japan's oldest surviving historical record, was completed 430 years after the Records of the Three Kingdoms. It was written for justifying the rule of imperial Yamato polity. We know little about Japan's history before the 4th century, maybe Himiko and her Yamatai-koku was not related to the people who later formed the Yamato polity. And maybe, those stories about Shinto gods are actually stories about ancient Japanese clans, as many Japanese historians have pointed out. Maybe Amaterasu was actually Himiko, Susano'o was an elder of Izumo clan who first learned to use iron.
There is no Vercingetorix in the recording of Gaul/Frank. That doesn't mean Vercingetorix did not exist. They just hadn't known how to record their history.
Because in the Edo period and later, the warlords and shogun practiced history revisionism to give themselves more power and influence. The early Japanese history is lost to time, and its only from these rare diplomatic sources that we can understand some of it.
Yak it's entirely intentional for the latter male rulers to erase the legacy of the benevolent and loved queens of older times. Even in this passage they mentioned how male rulers bring forth violence and everyone preferred a queen.
When the narrator spoke of Rome/Byzantine, his voice was pitched higher, indicating more curiosity/respect. Here when talking of Wa/Japan, VOTP speaks lower, a thin undercurrent of contempt, which is appropriate to the attitude of the Chinese towards the Japanese at that time. (not saying that VOTP feels that way, only that the character he's speaking for does)
I do not notice any contempt in his voice and these all generally have a similar inflection, as far as I can determine. I used to think that the speaker was actually an artificial voice.
Chinese empires did not hold contempt for their neighbors since they thought no one were their equal. Maybe condescending would be more correct term. Even now, they are noted for their condescending attitude.
It is so interesting that he emphasized they placed their dead in mounds. In modern Japanese historiography, this timeframe (300 - 538 AD) is called the "burial mound period", due to the Japanese landscape still being scattered with these mounds. It certainly adds veracity to the account.
This was so early in Japanese history, I wonder if the Japanese were more closely related to the Ainu native Japanese tribes at the time? They certainly appear to be more interested in divination and other more pagan-esque rites than they would be during the Tokugawa era, although the cultural and behavioral similarities are obvious.
Anti-Defecation League No genetically they are know since 2000BC to have replaced plains and mountain tribes immigrating both from Korea and also Hong Kong region and Taiwan. The Ainu are FASCINATING they appear almost Caucasian like Aryan race of India, even green and blue eyes in history, yet share similar language and traditions with the Inu, both words meaning they people’ in Coastal West and arctic Canada and Alaska. Excellent question dear.
There are detailed records about how Japanese, namely Matsumae clans colonized Ainu just like Westerners did to Native Americans during Tokugawa-era. Japanese literally enslaved them, and ethnic cleansing took place in such a manner like sending men and husbands away to labor camps far away from home while slavers and merchants took women and wives of them. So yes, Tokugawa-era was pretty much the last nail to the coffins of Ainu ethnicity. Only good deeds done at the time was that a conscience intellectual Matsuura Takeshiro traveled to Hokkaido and recorded all the inhumanity going on as he witnessed. Had it not been that, the historical narratives about Ainu people and their disappearance would have been more covered up with sugar coat in favor of Japanese expansionism. BTW, as you point out, those people must have been Jomon / Yamato people, who were coexisting or closely related with indigenous Ainu people. It’s sad really, their histories are forbidden by Japanese themselves to maintain Shinto Emperor cult in which the one blood ruled all time history of Japan. Every time they find potential ancient archeological sites, the Royal house institution makes up whatever stories to claim their properties like “Oh that’s our ancestors’ tomb. Please don’t come in” They bar the place, put up some shrines and pretend to mourn whoever they imagine to be buried there. Really creepy isn’t it?
These videos are amazing. I loved the one on the birth of Rome. It's great to bring a voice to history's (and mythology's) written word. Does the channel extend beyond UA-cam to other platforms?
From the pre -Qin dynasty, there have been 4 times large -scale immigrants from Chinese Han people to enter the Japanese islands and Korean Peninsula, which have a profound impact on the historical trends of China and Japan and ( Korean Peninsula ). Focus on reference materials : Asuka Period in Japanese history (538-710 AD) , Nara period (710-794) in Japanese history ) The Chinese carefully taught the primitives of Japan (and korea) at the time to teach the knowledge of rice, cutting wells, manufacturing agricultural tools, spreading medicine, textiles and other knowledge. They pushed Japan from the brutal primitive society to a slave society. Chinese Han people's four large -scale immigrants enter the Japanese islands record : 1. Qin and Han Dynasty Qin Shihuang (秦始皇 259-210 BC) swept the six regions. In order to escape the war, the Chinese people fled to Japan in two ways: Some Chinese people crossed the sea from the Northeast to the Korean Peninsula to Japan. Japan. 2. During the Wei, Jin, Northern and Southern Dynasties (420 -589 BC) During the period of "Upheaval of the Five Barbarians 五胡亂華", in order to avoid the war, the Chinese people began a wave of migration to a large -scale migration around. Most of the fleeing Chinese finally went to Japan, forming the climax of immigration to Japan. The representative is Liu Azhi (劉阿知), the descendant of Emperor Han Xian(漢獻帝). 3. The Sui and Tang Dynasties (581-907 BC) Japan sent a large -scale Tang ambassador to China to visit China, while China sent a large number of people to spread advanced technology and culture to Japan. Most of these people are monks or cultural scholars. They are left as required by the Japanese because of the difficult sailing and welcomed by Japan. They often stay and "domestication" into the Japanese. The representative is the monk Jianzhen(監真). 4. The Song (960-1279)and Ming dynasties(1368-1644) In the Yuan Dynasty, the Han people in the southern Song Dynasty broke their families. In order to avoid the war and kill, they moved to Japan one after another. The representative of this period was scholar of the Southern Song Dynasty - Lanxi Daolong(蘭溪道隆). ***************************** During the Qin Dynasty (秦朝), when the Chinese people arrived in Japan by ship (Fleeing and expanding the territory due to the Chinese war). The local indigenous people regarded the Chinese as God. The image of the Japanese gods looked like ancient Chinese and Chinese clothes.You can see that Japanese myths are adapted from Chinese mythology. (The Japanese were still indigenous during this period. And there was no characters.) These Chinese in ancient Japan later returned to China (the Tang Dynasty). They asked the Chinese Emperor of the Tang Dynasty to send a large number of Chinese scholars and Chinese technicians (including architects, doctors, monks, artist ,Chinese martial arts Master ...). Let them take a big ship to Japan together. Establish a Chinese local regime in Japan. It becomes a part of a Chinese territory. Like other Chinese cities. In ancient Japan, it was fixed to the Chinese emperor to send goods to the Chinese emperor each year (it did not stop until the Qing Dynasty清朝 in China). These tong Chinese have been wearing Chinese clothing in Japan (But Japan lacks resources. The cloth material is rough). They build a Chinese Tang -style building in Japan. Chinese coins appear in Japan. Chinese etiquette (including kneeling and chopsticks, etc.). Use China's governance system and religious culture (Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism to Japan). Since the beginning, the official language of Japan is Chinese language and Chinese characters (only the Chinese royal family and nobles use and learn). Japanese history uses Chinese characters to record (classical Chinese). It mainly records the life of Chinese officials and nobles in Japan. And civilians are local indigenous Japanese. They speak Japanese language. There is no characters. Ancient Korean Peninsula and northern Vietnam. It is closer to China. China is more direct about its governance. The situation is similar to Japan. In Japan, there are many large tombs (and unearthed cultural relics) of ancient Chinese. These tombs are also built by traditional Chinese methods. But the Japanese have denied the fact that ancient Chinese originally established in Japan. This is because Japan has become an independent country in modern times. The history of more great Japanese nations needs to be built. This is the same as South Korea and Vietnam. ***************************** In ancient China. Due to the escape or expansion of territorial reasons. There were many records of the Han people moved to the Korean Peninsula and the Japanese islands (including Okinawa). Establishing small countries and regimes on these islands (representing Chinese senior officials rather than emperor). In addition to the later period of Japan (because of the ocean). The Han regime on the Korean Peninsula has always been the ancient Chinese territory and the scope of direct jurisdiction (but sometimes it is similar to the different phenomenon of political opinions from the central government. It is similar to the situation in Taiwan and Hong Kong today. When the relationship between Taiwan and Hong Kong and the central government is bad. Sometimes they think they are independent countries or claim to be non -Chinese). The history of the establishment of a regime on the Korean Peninsula (Goguryeo, Baiji, Silla, Goryeo , Joseon). It is not the history of the Korean people. Instead, it is the history of the local regime of the Han people in northern China.These royal family and nobles are Chinese and descendants who move to the peninsula. They are wearing Han nationality clothing and using Chinese characters. They also claim to be the Han family. They are like Hong Kong and Macau and Taiwan. The Han people basically speak two Chinese languages (Chinese dialects+Chinese official language), one of the Han dialects that are lost. Only some civilians and slaves are indigenous people from the south of the peninsula (Koreans). This is very certain. (A large number of ancient Chinese tombs were unearthed on the 4/5 Korean Peninsula today. Han murals (depicting the lives of the Han people in the north), the fairy and god beast of the Han nationality.Han religion. Chinese character stone monument. Han Dynasty coins. ........... The southernmost part of the peninsula is unearthed in the original and backward Korean national life tools. It can be seen that the extremes of two different ethnic groups( Chinese VS Korean ) and different civilizations exist at the same time in the same period of the peninsula history. ***************************** Before 1966, the Japanese royal family and nobles (mainly descendants of Chinese and Chinese scholars). The official language and text have always been Chinese language and Chinese characters (classical Chinese). Only civilians use Japanese language and no characters . 1866. Japanese abolition of Chinese characters. The official words were changed to Japanese language and Japanese characters (keep about 1,000 Chinese characters). Before 1910, the Korean royal family and nobles (descendants of Chinese and Chinese scholars). Official languages and words have always been Chinese language and Chinese characters (classical Chinese). Only civilians use Korean language and no characters . In 1910, Korea was invaded. Korea abolished Chinese characters. The official words were changed to Korean language and Korean characters (appeared in the 15th century). ***************************** The Koreans claim that they are the ancestors of the Japanese. They believe that the ancient Koreans provided technical and culture to the Japanese. That was because today's Korean people will establish a political history established by the Chinese Han nationality on the peninsula (Goguryeo, Baiji, Silla, Goryeo , Joseon) .After the revision, it will become the history of the Korean people. The Chinese technology and culture on the peninsula will be said to be Korean culture. This is completely fake. It is ancient Chinese that provides technology and culture to Japan. Due to the escape or expansion of territorial reasons. There are many Chinese people (= Han) moved to the Korean Peninsula and the Japanese islands (including Okinawa) historical records. Some of the Chinese who escape because of the war, and passed through the Korean Peninsula to Japan. Some of the Chinese have established the Chinese Han regime on the peninsula (Goguryeo, Baiji, Silla, Goryeo , Joseon). They settled on the peninsula for a while. Finally, they moved to the Japanese island via the Korean Peninsula. Provide Japanese technology and culture to the Japanese. (* Do not rule out a small amount of Korean slaves. Following Chinese nobles and scholars to move to Japan)
@@brianticas7671 was proposed by Japan after World War II (there is no such statement in history). It was the beginning of the Japanese fabrication of history. Otherwise, how would they solve the problem of a large number of ancient Shang Dynasty tombs and Chinese cultural relics (including ancient Chinese buildings) in today s Japan, Korea and Vietnam have been unearthed in the territories. Will they recognize to the world that ancient Japan, Korea and Vietnam have been Chinese territories and places where Chinese people have lived since ancient times? They will certify all the unearthed cultural relics of high culture and leave them locally. Will a large number of historical records with Chinese characters (as well as a large number of ancient Chinese objects and buildings) be returned and recognized as belonging to the Chinese? Japan has made false news on unearthed cultural relics and history many times. Among them, it was intended to push back the date of the invention of Japanese characters and inscribe them on ancient Chinese cultural relics and ancient Chinese borrowings . Korea also engraved Korean characters on ancient Chinese coins unearthed on the Korean Peninsula.. Their purpose is obvious. They want to incorporate these locally unearthed Chinese tombs and cultural relics into the history of the fake japanese/korean civilization they created.
@@brianticas7671 Chinese culture has never been shared. Japanese traditional culture came from invading China and absorbing a small number of Chinese people. It has a history of only a few hundred years. And Korea and Vietnam have always been Chinese territories and are directly governed by China. In modern times, they The country was founded (governed by the United States). They took over the culture and palaces left by the local Chinese and recreated fake history and culture.They intend to impersonate ancient Chinese. The map of the Tang Dynasty of China shown by Japanese scholars includes half of the ancient Japanese territory (Including Nara, an old capital of Japan) . The other half is the local indigenous people (including those whose native language is Japanese). There are more than 100 tribes. In Chinese historical records, the "Japanese " king (wa king 倭王/天皇) wrote to It is mentioned in Chinese official letters. In ancient times, the Japanese always called themselves "Chinese中國人/漢人". They called Japan at that time - " China中國/中華". called foreigners-" barbarians蠻夷" * The situation in ancient Korea and Vietnam was the same as that in ancient Japan. Their rulers and nobles also claimed to be "Chinese". They called the local area- " China" . called foreigners-" barbarians" In the territories of Japan, Korea and Vietnam today, there are many ancient Chinese buildings. There are thousands of ancient Chinese tombs (including a large number of murals and unearthed cultural relics) and tombstones. They include a large number of Chinese character records (including bamboo slips and oracle bone inscriptions). There are also reasons During the war, a large number of ancient Chinese objects and cultural relics were robbed. They have not yet been returned to China. * To this day, more than 1,000 ancient Chinese tombs (Qin & Han Dynasty) have been unearthed in North Korea, including a huge number of ancient Chinese objects and books.
2:47 Chinese practice of the turtle shell oracles during Shang and Zhou Dynasty. Unsure if the historian was merely projecting his ideals or if it was still practiced in Japan.
Scientifically impossible. There is also a record in Chinese records that the Chinese longevity has lived over 200 years old. It doesn't mean Japan today. and It has several meanings. It can be classified as a pirate, and is said to mean many things, such as an Asian country people or a poor man.
in clavell's shogun there is a passage, where Toranaga speaks to Ishido: remember the time china sent an embassy, we all expected them to negotiate the truce between japan and corea; but the chinese embassy adressed the Taiko and offered to "confirm him as king of wa" on behalf of their emperor, upon which the taiko graciously decided not to send the embassy back to china in small boxes, specially prepared hor the corpses, but let them go home, so he could declare war on china as well as continue the war on cporea ;) it's just a passage I read ysterday
Ainus were not part of the Kingdom of Wa. The Ainu didn't have any relationship with China. Supposedly China knew of Emishi and Ainu from descriptions given to them by the Yamato Japanese, but I don't know if those accounts came from a bit later. This was written during Japan's Kofun period.
Europeans didn't meet the Japanese until much later, at the end of the 15th century, so the only account from Europeans before that would be Marco Polo talking about how the Chinese told him a country further to the east called Jipangu exists.
Most interesting about this is, this part of history was lost in Japan, and was only record in Chinese history book. We don't really know if Pimiko really existed.
Having watched various videos about Japan from this channel, I notice that Japan's customs have changes drastically throughout the millennia. Some things stay the same (ppl live long and no theft), but much other than that has been different in each era.
It might be possible. The Emishi were apparently described as being hairy, meaning the men could’ve had beards. In modern Japan there’s a bias against facial hair, although in the Sengoku period it was common for men to have beards and mustaches, or hige as they’re known in Japanese. In fact for samurai it was necessary for them to have one. Men who couldn’t, like Toyotomi Hideyoshi, had fake beards to wear.
Actually, it's pretty much as the text described. They would pick a man from the untouchables class and he would be the one to inherit all the bad luck during a ship's travels. The reason he couldn't bathe, would be because he'd be washing away all the impurities and bad luck he was accumulating of behalf of the voyage.
Long lived but very short, average 120 to 140cm, based on their clothes and houses in ancient Japan. While in ancient China, people are quite normal, Confucius was 196cm based on unearthed local ancient ruler, Yanzi, the shortest ancient Chinese minister, was 158cm.
The people today called the japanese had just arrived on the archipelago a few hundred years before this was written from china. So "for tens of thousands of years" no.
@@andrewlove3686 Something like that wouldn't just evolve over a few generations. Most likely that adaptation was already possessed by the Yamato before they crossed over from Korea or it was possessed by the Joumon and carried over due to ad-mixture.So yes. Tens of Thousands of Years
@@ofthecaribbean no and yes. No as in nothing to do with jomon admixtures because they have very little a lot have zero. life expectancy, iq, neotony, hormone levels, rate of physical maturation, average behaviors etc. come from being apart of the larger east Asian(mongoloid) genetic population. Which Yes did develop over tens of thousands of years just not in japan and completely unrelated to jomon.
The reason official crime is low is because your family would be punished if you did something wrong. Therefore families kept members inline. Families probably worked out justice with officials to punish their members so no criminal reports were needed.
Konichiwa! I'm taking a class on Japanese archaeology. There's one thing I'm a bit confused about. So there is this Japanese records that traces the Japanese imperial line to very ancient time. Do you know which one of them are fictional and who was the first, historically accurate emperor of Japan? Thanks for taking your time to do this :)
unrealsimon93 Fistly I explain when empire emarge in Japan and how the fact is ambiguous! Ancient Japan lack their own historical records,therefore We has to see chinese recode of that time because Japan had been under tributary system of China! According to chinese's records empire didn't exist in 1th,2th,3th century.the most important thing is that 4th century's recode don't exist.that mean we can't understand Japan of 4th century!but We can see chinese records about 5th century in「宋書」倭国伝.There was strong political system in Japan of 5th century:Yamato administration(大和政権),so we can't know the process of Yamato administration!The central character of the administration is empire.so We don't know when,where,and why he emarged accurately because we lack 4th century! so the宋書倭国伝 first show empire of Japan. given the fact I can say historically accurate empire began from "Ingyo"(允恭)who exist in chinese records and exist in japanese records in accordance with each other. and 4th century of Japan are lauk. I can't tell whether empire before "Ingyo" are fictional or not accurately!
@@おぎねる thanks a lot! Since you mentioned China, I'm also very curious about the relationship between those two countries. From what I learned, Japan learned a lot of things from China and likes to emulate it historically. But if so why are they not friends/allies? Japan seems to want to conquer China all the time and attacking Korea too, which I think was under China's protection? Why was this the case? Did the Japanese people have a particular reason to want to conquer China when China looks much bigger on the map.
@@unrealsimon93 Don't worry. Japanese are more confused than you are. LOL There is a variety of theories about 'from who it became real'. According to the most prevailing theory nowadays the 10th Su-jin and after are real. 2nd to 9th are called like 'missing 8 emperors era'. In this theory, 1st Jin-mu and 10th are the same person as they share common records. This reading is based on historian's study on Kojiki, Nihonshoki, etc. Then , question is what position the archaeology is taking? 21st Yu-ryaku (in 5th century) is allegedly the first emperor whom they can prove the existence of. One thing making it confusing is that in the ancient days they did not use the western calendar, of course. They would use the imperial eras, just like, so do we - current Japanese... It's now Reiwa year 2 on 128th as you may know. neねるさん、差し出がましいコメント、失礼しました。
Half of the video : "A chinese historian who doesn't have fixation on gems and shiny stones from another country ?!" Reach the end of the video : "Ah ! There it goes !"
1.The location of Yamatai-koku is unknown. If you travel along the route described, you will arrive at the sea in southern Kyushu. For this reason, there has been a 300-year debate since the Edo period(17th to 19th century) as to where Yamatai-koku was located. The specific candidates are Kyushu and Nara, with Nara being the most likely archaeological candidate. 2.About the country name Yamatai The reading of the name has not been determined. Before the Edo period, it was read as Yamato, but since then it has been read as Yamatai-koku (koku means country), after it was argued by scholars of the Edo period that it might be Yamatai. Some scholars argue that it is Yamai or Yamaichi. However, I believe that Yamato is the correct name. Yamato is another name for Japan that has existed since ancient times, and is also used as a name for places and people. It still exists today in the names of places and people. 3.Who is Himiko? The person Himiko is not mentioned in the oldest existing history books in Japan. (The oldest extant history book in Japan is from the 8th century AD). The compiler of the history book refers to the Chinese side of the history book and states in the annotations that "the queen of Japan sent a messenger," but the content of the messenger is that of the empress of the 14th emperor, and it is unclear if the empress is also a real person. There is another theory that Yamato-totohimomosohime may have actually been Himiko, but this is also unknown. She is said to have been a relative of the 10th emperor and a shaman-like figure, and it is mentioned that a huge tomb was built after her death. Radiometric dating suggests that the tomb was built close to the time of Himiko (mid-3rd century AD). 4.The relationship with Yamato-Dynasty Is it related to the dynasties of later times? No? If there is a relationship, what kind of relationship is it? The reason is that writing was not widespread in Japan at the time, and records from Chinese history books have been lost. China was in the era of the Sixteen Kingdoms and did not have time to worry about foreign affairs. It wasn't until the 5th century A.D. that any mention of Japan appeared again, and the Japanese envoy never mentioned the queen or Yamatai-koku. It is a mystery what happened in the 150 years since the messengers stopped coming. For this reason, it is called "the blank fourth century" or "the mysterious fourth century" in Japanese history. Historical books from the 8th century contain the dynasty's traditions, but there are no written materials from the 4th century, making academic verification difficult. Translated by deepl
I live in Japan. Gosh Japan really did get influenced alot by China. It was no more than agricultural towns and fishing villages 2,000 years ago. Since the middle ages, it flourished into a vibrant and unique Asian cultural sphere
No one has commented on how early Japan had a Queen/Empress who was so loved that the king after her was assassinated and another young woman given the position!
0:31 funny how this painting is from the song dynasty if im not mistaken (1200), even painting from early tang dynasty (600) looked like drawing rather than painting, let alone in year (300s) Ps. In 300s female and male both have huges sleeves, this painting is actually to represent that time in song dynasty women wore shorter sleeve for practicality since women in song dynasty can establish their own business( also the painting is titled in han dynasty but none of the elements even are from the han dynasty) of course there are still long sleeve used by the elites who doesnt do work hence no need for praticality
yes the nobility dressed in big sleeves and big robes to show that they were not workers, and they could afford huge fabrics. Long dress and long sleeves also kept their body warm. They also rode in horse carriages and sat on floors. Japanese emperor's official dress still resembles that.
I’ve been looking around for what the Polish thought about the Mongols. Or when the Christens and Muslim momentarily joined to fight the invasion. And of course when the crusader states and the Mongols joined to attack the Muslims. I can’t seem to find anything on these events.
@tsunderella I mean she wasn't a sorceress sure, but it's quite possible some Shinto or whatever proto shinto priest "empress" named himiko or the like existed. These are the Chinese writings, the Japanese wouldn't write their first history for another 400 years
yeah but who do you believe more, a "somewhat" contemporary source or something written 400 years after for the sole purpose of showing that Japan and the Japanese emperor were legit?
@B. Parts in the Kojiki and Nihongi reference the History of Wei so she was a conscious omission. Likely either because she belonged to a clan other than the Yamato clan, or because the story of a female ruler didn't fit with the narrative the Imperial court wanted to create. The Kojiki and Nihongi are absolutely Yamato propaganda though, no doubt about that, they're political tools for creating a single official history of Japan that suits the Imperial court.
nope, The records at that time do not mean Japan today. In East Asia, wa is a form of multiple ethnic groups. and It has several meanings. It can be classified as a pirate, and is said to mean many things, such as an Asian country people or a poor man.
Everyone listening needs to understand how different the people of 300AD Japan were from those most think of as being "ancient" Japanese--ie, samurai, buddhist, or even Shinto. As far as I understand it, these people were the start of the those who would eventually come to be modern Japanese. They were immigrants from the Korean peninsula who killed off and mixed with the indigenous people living in Japan, who were called the Jomon people (an entirely different ethnic group--Look up the Ainu). I think that so much of the culture we know as being Japanese didn't come about for another 300 years or so at least, and that was still heavily influenced from China.
Ainu people is the newcomer who came to Hokkaido from Okhotsk/Russia after the 13th century. They are the similar race as the Nivkh people(Gilyak) and the Ulta people(Orok) in Russia. After Ainu people came to Hokkaido, The "Ware culture" of Hokkaido has disappeared suddenly. In Hokkaido, It was the "Zoku-jomon period (Kofun, Copper coin, Jomon earthenware)" and then the "Satsumon culture period (Kofun, Ironware, Satsumon earthenware)" by native Japanese until the 13th century. And this culture is belongs to the Japanese Tohoku&Honshu region, not the Okhotsk culture. The people in Hokkaido and their culture were completely different from Ainu. Ainu people haven't the capability to make the Kofun (Ancient japanese grave) and ironwares, etc. Why many foreigners misunderstanding about Ainu people? Is the source a Wikipedia ENG ver? Don't blindly accept slick propaganda.
@@BJGvideos Sorry, I forgot why I wrote this comment on this video... Did someone mention Ainu in the comments section? Anyway, I will try to reply to you🙏 The Ainu are not an indigenous people of Hokkaido, Japan. They are invaders from Sakhalin. The indigenous people of Hokkaido are the Japanese people who originated in the 東北 region of Japan. This is proven by archaeological sites and other evidence. However, Russia claims that the Ainu are the indigenous people of Hokkaido, Japan. And they are spreading propaganda that "Hokkaido must be taken from Japan for the Ainu." Because Russia wants Hokkaido. Russia had a strategic plan to invade Hokkaido before invading Ukraine in 2022. When Russia invaded Ukraine (2014) and Georgia (2008), it did so under the pretext that "the land is the land of ethnic Russians and they are being persecuted." Please do not believe the propaganda.
@@thechikuwa284 I haven't seen anybody make that claim from Russia. Only that "Japan treated the Ainu very badly", which is true. Everyone knows they came later. They were still abused by the Japanese and that's a fact. I don't see anybody trying to link them to Russia, at least not politically.
@@BJGvideos>They were still abused by the Japanese and that's a fact. Please write the facts here along with the source. I don't believe you can read documents written in old Japanese, so the information you mention must be a Russian or Western hoax created for anti-Japanese purposes. Japan has been too kind and protective of the Ainu since the beginning of time, in the 15th century the Ainu came under the protection of the Matsumae clan (a samurai clan in the Tohoku region), and the Matsumae clan decreed that fraud against the Ainu would be severely punished. Also, all the folk tools the Ainu have were made by Japanese craftsmen for the Ainu. (They cannot make earthenware, ironware, lacquer household items, etc.). Unlike the cruel colonies of the West, the Japanese do not deprive the Ainu of their language and give them fair education and medical care. Why do you make such false claims? Also, there are many propaganda about Ainu, such as UA-cam videos and WIKI.
@@thechikuwa284 What falsehoods are you even accusing me of saying? I'm saying I've never heard anybody try to link the Ainu to Russia, which goes AGAINST your claim that I'm somehow falling for Russian claims. You're not even sure what it is you're accusing me of!
I'd never heard that detail about the 'mourning keeper' envoy that is either ritualistically rewarded or killed depending on the fortunes of the party. Fascinating (if grisly) stuff.
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Your voice makes me wanna give cuddle your soul.
So this is before the Tang Dynasty. Before the Japanese would visit (and pirate) China and replicate the culture to develop their own.
@@camrendavis6650 Yeah, look at the map. Its the Three Kingdoms period
Japanese Culture is absolutely amazing! I was born in Misawa. The people are always extremely polite and courteous. Enjoyed the video. Thank you for all your great content!
@Golden Eagle I would love more videos on China
And they were great neighbors from then on with absolute no issues forever after
Hahaha! Sarcasm at its best.
@@rete5132 Dude.
Right over your head. Lol
@@rete5132 r/whooosh
shengxin cai WOOOOSH
In-fact, they were such good friends that Japan tried to break up the nasty Chinese civil war by murdering hundreds of thousands of Chinese civilians. YAY! FRIENDSHIP!
"We, the kingdom on the eastern isles, therefore establish diplomatic relations with you by sending 4 male and 6 female slaves and a couple of towels."
Man, I love the ancient politics.
The 'towels' were probably worth as much as the slaves. Ponder that for a moment.
They were 20 feet long, painted or possibly embroidered. Not towels. Probably something more like the Bayeux Tapestry.
Wa not we or Wo in Mandarin
@@elazar79 We, Wei, will warn Wa when warm winds wash wanton women westerly. Whilst watching warily, wise words work wonderous wiles. Who wants war with Wu?
This isn't intended to hold any particular meaning. Your comment about We and Wa just struck me with a whimsical mood. 😉
Haha. How about if you were one of the slave? Still love it?
"People live long, up to 80-100 years...there is no theft.."
Yup, sounds like Japan to me.
Pecu Alex the Greeks were talking about the same people. Everything under Egypt was called Ethiopia by the Greeks.
@Glow Worm antisemitic alert!!!
Some schizo shit in this thread
@@agustintadeo, Yup
"That's train's never late." -Chris Rock
And if one member of the family breaks law severely, the whole household was exterminated.
You had to respect your clan leader, but watch him carefully he didn't fornicate, murder or steal - or you'd have been excuted with him.
"They are fond of liquor"
Some things never change
And so is everyone else.
It's funny because from living in Japan for 7 years I know that Japanese cannot typically process alcohol correctly. They get drunk off of such a small amount of liquor and get the typical "Asian flush" where their face goes red and they hiccup. If they drink as much as it takes the average man to get drunk they get deathly sick with a face as red as a tomato and they can die from alcohol poisoning doing as such.
@@saddgod That's so nuts to me. I'm trying to cut way back on alcohol and still actually feel it even. As a man with German and Cherokee descent directly it feels like I can pound half a bottle of whiskey and multiple beers and still feel unsatisfied and needing more. A bottle of sake is no problem, may as well be Kombucha
*poors saki
SAKIIIIIIII
With the exception of Islamic countries I think that can be applied to just about everywhere on earth lol
"Stop! You violated the law. Your wife and children are now forfeit." - Wa Guard
gimme a second. I've got CHIM on my side.
>reloads a previous save
*Resist Arrest*
@@Acetyl53 *"Then pay with your blood!"*
@@unifieddynasty and your wife and childrens'
@dollan song to be or not to be that nerd but chances are in this time in history Japanese probably didn't sound the same or was even remotely similar to at the Japanese we have now
Chinese: And their names are extremely long.
Japanese: And their names are extremely short.
Takezo Kimura Both Chinese and Japanese names are written in same Chinese letters but different grammar structures, Chinese: 1 or 2 letters for family name and 1 or 2 letters as given name (A+B, A+BC, AB+C, AB+CD), for Japanese, they don't have those short names, they only have : A+BC, AB+C, AB+CD, AB+CDEF and as many as you want as given name.
@@quanyuan6760 lol in china sun tzu, in japan sunitu zhushi takumira
@@angelabby2379 That's a bad example, the name is still 孫武 even in Japanese, A+B, 孫 is a pretty common family name in China, it also means "grandson".
The reason why Japanese names are long is very funny. They are named according to where they live or their work.
Japanese civilians have only names in modern times, you can check the history
daamn, even back in the 3rd century japanese people lived very long lives.
yeah i was rlly surprised.
@Man In The Arena ye but this was 2k years ago or so right? Without modern medicine or anything...
@Man In The Arena You live long but you're tiny. A trade off.
@steve gale what?
I wondered how they measured their age if that was true. Middle easterners claim people can live past the 100s to the 120s and such. Dod the early japanese measure it based on seasons? I want to know since that's one reason we have ages like 120 something in history.
A moment of pure class amongst the noise of UA-cam. Wonderful!
Thanks!
7:50 The name of Wei's capital still survives in one of the Japanese words that means "going to Kyoto", _jōraku_ (上洛, literally "going to Luoyang"), where the _raku_ is the Japanese pronunciation of "luo" in "Luoyang" (洛陽, _Rakuyō_ in Japanese)
Luoyang(洛阳/洛陽) still exists as a city in China. It has about 2 million residents in the city proper.
But more importantly, a question. The more interesting part of the phrase for me is 上, i.e. going up to Kyoto. Is this because in Japan, more civilised/urban places are metaphorically considered to be above, like how trains are said to "climb/go up" when going in the direction of the city center and "decend/go down" when they go in the direction of suburbs and smaller towns?
@@2712animefreak In the case of trains, up/down is probably not unique to Japan; I live in Australia, and trains to the city centre are called up, and those away from the city centre called down technically (but it is not commonly used by the public like in Japan). The 上 thing is probably just directly borrowed from Chinese itself, since the older way of saying going to the capital in China is 上京 (also used in Japanese)
@@koalitaDormilona Thanks for the explanation, but still, why is going to the capital considered to be equivalent to climbing? Maybe the whole concept is borrowed from China.
@@2712animefreak It's not about climbing. It has parallels with 下乡 (going back to one's hometown/going to the countryside). Don't comparison English prepositions to Chinese particles. They don't work the same.
Actually the Wei kingdom capital was 開封, or KaFeng, but 洛陽 was the capital of the eastern Hang dynasty 東漢. Wei was officially still part of the Han dynasty, as all 3 kingdoms were officially still part of Han dynasty until the Emperor was forced to abdicate. So technically 洛陽 was still the capital of the whole China.
Note that clapping is still a feature of Shinto worship. (3:00)
One of the greatest controversies in ancient Japanese historiography is exactly where the state of Yamatai lay in the Japanese archipelago. According to Chinese records, this was the name of the state ruled by the shamaness Pimiko. The historian who wrote the "Account of Wa", Chen Shou, described the route to get there from Daifang near Seoul, but if you follow his directions exactly you end up deep underwater. This leads to two alternatives: Assuming he got the distances right but the compass directions wrong, you end up in the Kinai near Kyoto and Osaka, in the historic kingdom of Yamato that eventually gave rise to the modern Japanese state. Assuming he got the compass directions right but the distances wrong, and you're in northern Kyushu. This is still an unsettled question because archaeology supplies arguments in support of both possibilities.
The key tombs of Pimiko are South Osaka, in a modern city called Sakai. I know because they are a 1 hour train ride from my home. Safe to say the Ancient city was this region.
@@maapaa2010 It's impossible to securely identify any kofun as that of Pimiko.
Maybe both then. Why can't it both?
maybe he had a set of two series of compass directions and two sets of distances
forgot how many he had or mixed up the two or lost the other part of both forgot he lost them and then accidentally combined them while writing and didn't realize his mistake before publishing
may have been mixed up in his memory or lost in a pile of notes as was common in writings in period as similar incidents are also found in other regions of the world where multiple different versions of direction and distances can be found for the same location
or where the disreprancy between what a person told people about direction and distance and what is written by the time they publicsh their writings
ooh! I was the one requesting this video ! And it didn't disappoint! It's so well done! The video is nice too, but.. actually; you can just close your eyes and find yourself in a different time ^__^. Sure, there are documentaries.. and you can find these texts.. but having them read to you in this style, it's such a fantastic idea! Keep up the good work!
Thanks friend!
Hey! Pleasure to find you in the comment section!
Jelle vanderVelde hey ！we watch the same channels :)
Closed my eyes, listened and visualized myself in ancient Japan ..then the Poise ad lady walks in advertising pads.
"They are fond of liquor" I see some things never change.
Even more alcoholic than Russia.
Literally every culture haha
regardless of race or culture we all like to get shit faced
@@Poodleinacan The Russians can hold their drink, the Japanese get pissed after two beers.
Very interesting to hear how some aspects of Japan remain the same and yet some were clearly to be heavily influenced by China subsequently.
It’s almost like they’re right next to each other but not quite. Wow funny that.
@@Shitbird3249 still impressive considering its been over a thousand years.
@@Shitbird3249 I'm sorry, you seem to have misunderstood my comment. I didn't say it was surprising. I said it was interesting. It is interesting to see which aspects of Japanese culture are affected by their neighbours and which aren't. Much in the same way it is interesting to see which aspects of the west have influenced and changed Japan since it opened up in the 1800's. Again, not surprising, but interesting. Hope that helps.
By the time of this transcript there was already plenty of cultural exchange.
But here's the real question. Who is the elite of the Asian continent man? China Japan or korea? Or can we also add turkey? China gave Japan some culture but yet Japan annexed them and the other Asian countries. Who's the top dog?
Wonderfull, i love this method of learing about history
Thanks! Straight from the source
Yep ... brilliant concept ... watched more than a few of these over last few months ... inherently fascinating ... and also, crucially, David Kelly's voice (precision / intonation / inflection) is a real pleasure to listen to.
That's how it should be done at school...
It could use some context. Ancient accounts weren't always the most accurate.
我是中国人，我看过这本书，并且是那个时期的原文，你们翻译过来感觉并不是特别准确，甚至有点删减
Clapping hands when praying, isn't it still part of shinto prayers today?
Yup!
@Emperor Louis The Retard Well their isn't an exact standard for praying so they can almost do anything they want to, to pray.
Another thing that I sawed in doraemon
297AD "They are fond of liquor"
2020AD "SHOTS SHOTS SHOTS!"
BANZAAAAII
Ganbai!
that sake hitting hard
Everybody!
KAMPAAAIIII
The first mention of the Japanese archipelago was in the Chinese historic text Book of Later Han, in the year 57, in which it was noted that the Emperor of the Han dynasty gave a golden seal to Wa (Japan). The King of Na gold seal was discovered in northern Kyūshū in the eighteenth century. From then on Japan was repeatedly recorded in Chinese historical texts, at first sporadically, but eventually continuously as Japan matured into a notable power in the region.
I didn't know that. You learn something new every day.
I'm just wondering, what would Japanese culture look like without the presence of Chinese influence?
@@jackjackyphantom8854 That is a question that is extremely difficult to begin to answer. But there are some historical records of Japan with none or minimal Chinese influence, such as Yamatai-koku during the Yayoi period (~1st - 3rd CE). Yamatai was shamanistic, expansionistic, and agrarian. Without the introduction of Tang Chinese cultures and government structures, it is interesting to imagine how Japan would find a way to eventually centralize into a single ethnic nation or not.
@@seer3336 I heard that Yamatai had the practices of face and body tattooing, eating raw fish and wet paddy rice farming, and their houses were wooden on stilts.
Kyushu？
I always hear how ancient historical documents are exaggerated or having a motive to degrade the subject of the piece. But this just seems like a objective account of what ancient japan society was like
From what I know, ancient Chinese historians tended to be way more objective than historians in other ancient nations.
In fact, I would say that this tradition of keeping meticulous, objective records is part of the reason why China is the nation with the clearest cultural continuity today, besides perhaps Greece. Other nations with long history of civilisation have had to rely on archaeology to really understand what their ancestors did.
You really shouldn’t take all of it to the letter. A lot of the time it’s more of a matter of misinformation rather than bias.
@@StarSpawn06 the chinese texts could be very biased like any other piece of ancient text. I feel more like it's because there wasn't a cultural or political reason to be biased in the assessment of Kofun Japan. They weren't at war with them, they didn't have bad relations with them, and there wasn't any desire to annex them since it'll just be a pain in the ass with very little gain from a resource-poor island.
Wasn't there this ancient Chinese historian (Xi Maqian) who was framed and sentenced to death? He pledged replacing death sentence with extreme humiliating torture (he would be neutered in the process) because he was working on a huge history record. I would say a person who live on under humiliation for the sake of preserving history on record would try his best to be as objective as possible. I would also guess that many later Chinese historians thought of him as a hero and lived for history instead of the king.
@@maxpark1339 Even for China itself. The tradition was to organize historical records for previous one dynasty, instead of the current one, to avoid historians being persecuted for what they write.
There are many paragraphs skipped, including:
- A guide to reach Himiko's capital, as well as settlements (implied to be self-ruling, by the use of the term 国 guó/kuni for each settlement, variously rendered as "settlements" and "provinces" in the translation in the video) along the way. Unfortunately, it quickly becomes unclear after reaching Fukuoka and thus there is still a debate where exactly the sphere of influence of Himiko's state end. My personal theory is roughly two-thirds of Kyushu.
- The assignment of an intendant of Himiko in the settlement of Ito (either Itoshima or far west of Fukuoka)
- A list of minerals, plants and animals produced by or present in Japan (pearls and jade top the list)
- Further interactions between Japan and Wei in the period 240-248 (Jingchu 2 corresponds to 238 in Gregorian/Julian calendar)
Obviously, do you really think they would read out the whole thing?
Jinshu*
@@Esquelan No, Jingchu 景初, Cao Rui's era name.
@@talvilai7141 You’re right.I don’t notice it’s 年号 reign title
Interesting that their first diplomatic interaction happened during the Three Kingdoms era.
This is a record from the Three Kingdoms period, but as mentioned in the account, envoys from Japan had frequented China since at least the preceding Han Dynasty
Yeah the late Han dynasty and Three Kingdoms era are probably the most important in Chinese history. Pre Tang anyway
@@SeanHiruki the qin was definitely important both its contribution(standardising writing, legalism) and symbolically(unifying the whole middle Kingdom) despite its short existence
And let us not forget all the other dynasties which were most important of all for one thing or another.
nhac lly idk about that, but I know there’s nothing like kimono in China right now
The Morning Keeper is proto-otaku.
Sheetzn Gigglez oh my goodness this is the best thing I’ve read in a while
Japan is copied from Laiyue and Minyue kingdom. Japanese rulers even were Vietnamese hierarchical.
Oh man! You made my day!! Lol
Sheetzn Gigglez I like Japan's history I'm Greek and we have the oldest biggest civilisation in Europe and one of the oldest on earth and we have so much history and I love learning about other culture civilisations history with respect
Cư dân Mạng Viets: “We wuz khánhs and shiet”
I don't think many in the West really appreciate just how advanced ancient Chinese culture was in its Zenith. It was comparable in ways to Greece and Rome at their heights.
They really should be considered equals. China is the origin of far eastern civilization, so it feels so much more foreign to us.
There were no "Greeks" back then, because they were city states.
@@sdssdds8415 - LOL, the largest Palace in recorded history is (Weiyang Palace) which literally translates to (Never Ending Palace
) constructed during the Han Dynasty, 3rd Century AD... and now the largest palace on the planet is still in China, which is the (Forbidden City), but it is 6.7 times smaller than Weiyang.
@@dayangmarikit6860 we're talking about cultures. China was divided multiple times also.
Seeing that Weiyang burned down it must have been made of wood. The forbidden city came a 1000 years after the roman empire. Europeans were constructing cathedrals higher than the piramids by then.
sds sdds you seem like a western supremacist. I dont get you people who puts their ego on the same pedastrial as ancient civilisations, who doesnt have anything in common with their modern believe.
For the record what do you make of Ankor Wat or Potala palast which still stands to this day?
So Japanese people has been alcoholic, clean, highly virtuous, vegetarian and long-living for a long time
CCPJAYLPHAN1994
*pescatarian
@@snowfrosty1 oh yea my bad~
If by virtuous you mean multiple wives then, sure why not lol
Slavery is virtuous?
Does conquer other cultures mean civilized? Japanese empire conquered Philippines, China, Taiwan and Korea.
2:23 It sounds almost the same as the Chinese divination in the Shang/Zhou Dynasty.
Prolly 徐福 and his men taught the locals.
lol even the author agreed
I would argue it is the exact same thing. Likely taught by the wayward wizard Xu Fu when he arrived in Japan. His story is quite an interesting one.
@@HighPriestFuneral Did Chinese king still do this type of dvination in Wei? Shang/zhou was quite ancient compared to Wei.
@@cliz305 I think by late Zhou (Warring States Era) they stopped due to it being a shell state by that time. However I know sorcerers and astrologers still used it sparingly throughout the other dynasties. Xu Fu was a Qin-era sorcerer/alchemist who would have known, if not practiced that style of divination.
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Note: This is with regards to Yamatai country (邪馬台国) that Himiko ruled at that time, one country out of the many that are though to have existed at that time in one of the islands that we would later call Japan (the actual location of the Yamatai country is still under debate since following the routes the Chinese historian left would lead you to the middle of nowhere... but that's another can of worms).
So in context, this passage is more similar to an early Roman talking about one of the Celtic tribes on one of the major islands of the UK and the video being called "Ancient Roman historian describes Britain" -Which I am not faulting VoP or anything since no better title makes sense from a modern perspective.
Himiko is fiction though
Well modern Japan is literally just a result of Yamato domination
yamatai is basically yamato which is the ethnicity of dominant Japanese now. "Yamato" and "Himiko" are definitely Japanese words with no doubt.
and the title is not actually wrong because the country yamato was possibly settled on one of the main islands of Japan, and they're ancestors of modern Japanese yamato people (excluding other existing ethnicities that were blended into yamato as one nationality
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Both places are different
1700 years later and the Japanese are still known to live long. Pretty amazing!
*Fond of Liquor* ... *No Theft* ... *Litigation Very Rare* ... *Clap Hands when Praying* ... Seems like Japanese inner core is very solid.
@@soro31337 Some traditions are extremely old it goes to show, although some of it could be coincidental. I missed the clapping hands part, that's fascinating too. I wonder if the ancient Romans did the same gestures with their hands while talking as the Italians do now.
Amazing what happens when a country isn't forced to take refugees from Africa and the middle east.
@@soro31337 If you have scientific knowledge, you will know that the record is wrong.
Human evolution is an extremely slow process without intermixing. They've been saying "change gon come" & "there's a revolution y'all" for generations now. Nothing's changed.
Lol, you broke the law, we're going to confiscate your wife
@TheFandrian We won't let em' lil' buddy
That's why I have four backups.
Netorare indeed.
Can you picture strategic mistake-making to trigger this clause?
PozieNayan exterminate whole clan lmao
Himiko sounds like an awesome subject for a movie.
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This was so early in Japanese history. When they were talking about the burial mounds, I was like "this was the Kofun period!". It's pretty amazing to me. When I visited Japan, most if the history was focused on the Edo-period, the early Shogunate and the Kamakura eta.
Were they the original jomon people such as the emishi, ainu, etc at that time or were they already mingled with the chinese as yayoi people?
@@snow2076 To answer your question, probably not. The Kofun period marks the second era of the Yayoi (Yamato) culture. The decline of the Emishi marks the start of the Kamakura period after the Kofun period. As a side note, the Emishi were probably not related to the Ainu.
Yayoi rulers were descendants of Sinitic Minyue kingdom (Mân Việt)
@@cudanmang_theog that means Japanese probably have same ancestor as most of the Austronesian speaker (the Southeast Asia people)? It has been said that there are traces of austronesian speaker tribe in Japan. But Japanese language itself is an Isolated language, so it wasn't been brought there by the immigrants right?
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Am enjoying hearing about ancient cultures in the voices of that time. Very interesting and very well presented. I am now subscribed.
This is like Ken Burns level. Soothing, yet interesting as well.
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@@VoicesofthePast I've always been a fan of history, was one of my best subjects in school. I found myself wondering what life would have been like in such a society back then. It seems to different than anything we're used to.
The history can be highly confusing and sometimes inaccurate. For example, there's no Himiko in the recording of Japanese side. She did not exist.
This is why ancient history is fascinating, everything was recorded from someone s own words, we do not know whether it's true, what was the context? Or it was simply misunderstood due to loss in translation.
Kojiki, Japan's oldest surviving historical record, was completed 430 years after the Records of the Three Kingdoms. It was written for justifying the rule of imperial Yamato polity. We know little about Japan's history before the 4th century, maybe Himiko and her Yamatai-koku was not related to the people who later formed the Yamato polity. And maybe, those stories about Shinto gods are actually stories about ancient Japanese clans, as many Japanese historians have pointed out. Maybe Amaterasu was actually Himiko, Susano'o was an elder of Izumo clan who first learned to use iron.
There is no Vercingetorix
in the recording of Gaul/Frank. That doesn't mean Vercingetorix
did not exist.
They just hadn't known how to record their history.
Because in the Edo period and later, the warlords and shogun practiced history revisionism to give themselves more power and influence. The early Japanese history is lost to time, and its only from these rare diplomatic sources that we can understand some of it.
Yak it's entirely intentional for the latter male rulers to erase the legacy of the benevolent and loved queens of older times. Even in this passage they mentioned how male rulers bring forth violence and everyone preferred a queen.
@@chenvalar9118 I didn't say Himiko didn't exist, I said she didn't exist in Japanese records. She is still a matter of debate among the historians
When the narrator spoke of Rome/Byzantine, his voice was pitched higher, indicating more curiosity/respect. Here when talking of Wa/Japan, VOTP speaks lower, a thin undercurrent of contempt, which is appropriate to the attitude of the Chinese towards the Japanese at that time. (not saying that VOTP feels that way, only that the character he's speaking for does)
People tended to view far off exotic cultures as awe inspiring and fantastic while the people nearby are more like them but just not as good.
I do not notice any contempt in his voice and these all generally have a similar inflection, as far as I can determine. I used to think that the speaker was actually an artificial voice.
Chinese empires did not hold contempt for their neighbors since they thought no one were their equal. Maybe condescending would be more correct term. Even now, they are noted for their condescending attitude.
NeoBulRheGhi lmao ur generalizing. So if the stereotypes for Americans was obese and ignorant. So every American is also that as well??
@NeoBulRheGhi and it's funny because nobody was their equal for a very, very long time.
"They kill him" ... that escalated quickly.
I LOLed after that sentance.
It is so interesting that he emphasized they placed their dead in mounds. In modern Japanese historiography, this timeframe (300 - 538 AD) is called the "burial mound period", due to the Japanese landscape still being scattered with these mounds. It certainly adds veracity to the account.
They waited until he left before they resumed playing video games
Very nice presentation.
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This was so early in Japanese history, I wonder if the Japanese were more closely related to the Ainu native Japanese tribes at the time? They certainly appear to be more interested in divination and other more pagan-esque rites than they would be during the Tokugawa era, although the cultural and behavioral similarities are obvious.
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No genetically they are know since 2000BC to have replaced plains and mountain tribes immigrating both from Korea and also Hong Kong region and Taiwan.
The Ainu are FASCINATING they appear almost Caucasian like Aryan race of India, even green and blue eyes in history, yet share similar language and traditions with the Inu, both words meaning they people’ in Coastal West and arctic Canada and Alaska. Excellent question dear.
As far as I know, the 'Japanese' (emigres from Korea) were more interested in wiping out the Ainu than assimilating with them.
No. What you see later is actually Chinese influence.
There are detailed records about how Japanese, namely Matsumae clans colonized Ainu just like Westerners did to Native Americans during Tokugawa-era. Japanese literally enslaved them, and ethnic cleansing took place in such a manner like sending men and husbands away to labor camps far away from home while slavers and merchants took women and wives of them. So yes, Tokugawa-era was pretty much the last nail to the coffins of Ainu ethnicity. Only good deeds done at the time was that a conscience intellectual Matsuura Takeshiro traveled to Hokkaido and recorded all the inhumanity going on as he witnessed. Had it not been that, the historical narratives about Ainu people and their disappearance would have been more covered up with sugar coat in favor of Japanese expansionism.
BTW, as you point out, those people must have been Jomon / Yamato people, who were coexisting or closely related with indigenous Ainu people. It’s sad really, their histories are forbidden by Japanese themselves to maintain Shinto Emperor cult in which the one blood ruled all time history of Japan. Every time they find potential ancient archeological sites, the Royal house institution makes up whatever stories to claim their properties like “Oh that’s our ancestors’ tomb. Please don’t come in” They bar the place, put up some shrines and pretend to mourn whoever they imagine to be buried there. Really creepy isn’t it?
@@childrenofatum7239 thats too much exxaration
Learning about Queen Himiko was fascinating
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@Heru Behudety I guess you're referring to the ingredients? The ingredients might not be Belgian, but the end product sure is. :)
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How nice this delivery and clear voice. It's right way 2 speak and very accurate and not just gabbling. I wish others wud learn from this.
These videos are amazing. I loved the one on the birth of Rome. It's great to bring a voice to history's (and mythology's) written word. Does the channel extend beyond UA-cam to other platforms?
Not yet! Glad you enjoy them
Im just amazed how japan kept these very old practices, traditions until today.
Beautifully done!
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From the pre -Qin dynasty, there have been 4 times large -scale immigrants from Chinese Han people to enter the Japanese islands and Korean Peninsula, which have a profound impact on the historical trends of China and Japan and ( Korean Peninsula ).
Focus on reference materials : Asuka Period in Japanese history (538-710 AD) , Nara period (710-794) in Japanese history )
The Chinese carefully taught the primitives of Japan (and korea) at the time to teach the knowledge of rice, cutting wells, manufacturing agricultural tools, spreading medicine, textiles and other knowledge. They pushed Japan from the brutal primitive society to a slave society.
Chinese Han people's four large -scale immigrants enter the Japanese islands record :
1. Qin and Han Dynasty
Qin Shihuang (秦始皇 259-210 BC) swept the six regions. In order to escape the war, the Chinese people fled to Japan in two ways: Some Chinese people crossed the sea from the Northeast to the Korean Peninsula to Japan. Japan.
2. During the Wei, Jin, Northern and Southern Dynasties (420 -589 BC)
During the period of "Upheaval of the Five Barbarians 五胡亂華", in order to avoid the war, the Chinese people began a wave of migration to a large -scale migration around.
Most of the fleeing Chinese finally went to Japan, forming the climax of immigration to Japan. The representative is Liu Azhi (劉阿知), the descendant of Emperor Han Xian(漢獻帝).
3. The Sui and Tang Dynasties (581-907 BC)
Japan sent a large -scale Tang ambassador to China to visit China, while China sent a large number of people to spread advanced technology and culture to Japan. Most of these people are monks or cultural scholars. They are left as required by the Japanese because of the difficult sailing and welcomed by Japan. They often stay and "domestication" into the Japanese. The representative is the monk Jianzhen(監真).
4. The Song (960-1279)and Ming dynasties(1368-1644)
In the Yuan Dynasty, the Han people in the southern Song Dynasty broke their families. In order to avoid the war and kill, they moved to Japan one after another. The representative of this period was scholar of the Southern Song Dynasty - Lanxi Daolong(蘭溪道隆).
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During the Qin Dynasty (秦朝), when the Chinese people arrived in Japan by ship (Fleeing and expanding the territory due to the Chinese war). The local indigenous people regarded the Chinese as God. The image of the Japanese gods looked like ancient Chinese and Chinese clothes.You can see that Japanese myths are adapted from Chinese mythology.
(The Japanese were still indigenous during this period. And there was no characters.)
These Chinese in ancient Japan later returned to China (the Tang Dynasty). They asked the Chinese Emperor of the Tang Dynasty to send a large number of Chinese scholars and Chinese technicians (including architects, doctors, monks, artist ,Chinese martial arts Master ...). Let them take a big ship to Japan together. Establish a Chinese local regime in Japan. It becomes a part of a Chinese territory. Like other Chinese cities. In ancient Japan, it was fixed to the Chinese emperor to send goods to the Chinese emperor each year (it did not stop until the Qing Dynasty清朝 in China).
These tong Chinese have been wearing Chinese clothing in Japan (But Japan lacks resources. The cloth material is rough). They build a Chinese Tang -style building in Japan. Chinese coins appear in Japan. Chinese etiquette (including kneeling and chopsticks, etc.). Use China's governance system and religious culture (Confucianism, Taoism and Buddhism to Japan).
Since the beginning, the official language of Japan is Chinese language and Chinese characters (only the Chinese royal family and nobles use and learn). Japanese history uses Chinese characters to record (classical Chinese). It mainly records the life of Chinese officials and nobles in Japan.
And civilians are local indigenous Japanese. They speak Japanese language. There is no characters.
Ancient Korean Peninsula and northern Vietnam. It is closer to China. China is more direct about its governance. The situation is similar to Japan.
In Japan, there are many large tombs (and unearthed cultural relics) of ancient Chinese. These tombs are also built by traditional Chinese methods. But the Japanese have denied the fact that ancient Chinese originally established in Japan.
This is because Japan has become an independent country in modern times. The history of more great Japanese nations needs to be built. This is the same as South Korea and Vietnam.
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In ancient China. Due to the escape or expansion of territorial reasons. There were many records of the Han people moved to the Korean Peninsula and the Japanese islands (including Okinawa). Establishing small countries and regimes on these islands (representing Chinese senior officials rather than emperor).
In addition to the later period of Japan (because of the ocean). The Han regime on the Korean Peninsula has always been the ancient Chinese territory and the scope of direct jurisdiction (but sometimes it is similar to the different phenomenon of political opinions from the central government. It is similar to the situation in Taiwan and Hong Kong today. When the relationship between Taiwan and Hong Kong and the central government is bad. Sometimes they think they are independent countries or claim to be non -Chinese).
The history of the establishment of a regime on the Korean Peninsula (Goguryeo, Baiji, Silla, Goryeo , Joseon). It is not the history of the Korean people. Instead, it is the history of the local regime of the Han people in northern China.These royal family and nobles are Chinese and descendants who move to the peninsula. They are wearing Han nationality clothing and using Chinese characters. They also claim to be the Han family. They are like Hong Kong and Macau and Taiwan. The Han people basically speak two Chinese languages (Chinese dialects+Chinese official language), one of the Han dialects that are lost.
Only some civilians and slaves are indigenous people from the south of the peninsula (Koreans). This is very certain.
(A large number of ancient Chinese tombs were unearthed on the 4/5 Korean Peninsula today. Han murals (depicting the lives of the Han people in the north), the fairy and god beast of the Han nationality.Han religion. Chinese character stone monument. Han Dynasty coins. ...........
The southernmost part of the peninsula is unearthed in the original and backward Korean national life tools.
It can be seen that the extremes of two different ethnic groups( Chinese VS Korean ) and different civilizations exist at the same time in the same period of the peninsula history.
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Before 1966, the Japanese royal family and nobles (mainly descendants of Chinese and Chinese scholars). The official language and text have always been Chinese language and Chinese characters (classical Chinese). Only civilians use Japanese language and no characters .
1866. Japanese abolition of Chinese characters. The official words were changed to Japanese language and Japanese characters (keep about 1,000 Chinese characters).
Before 1910, the Korean royal family and nobles (descendants of Chinese and Chinese scholars). Official languages and words have always been Chinese language and Chinese characters (classical Chinese). Only civilians use Korean language and no characters .
In 1910, Korea was invaded. Korea abolished Chinese characters. The official words were changed to Korean language and Korean characters (appeared in the 15th century).
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The Koreans claim that they are the ancestors of the Japanese. They believe that the ancient Koreans provided technical and culture to the Japanese. That was because today's Korean people will establish a political history established by the Chinese Han nationality on the peninsula (Goguryeo, Baiji, Silla, Goryeo , Joseon) .After the revision, it will become the history of the Korean people. The Chinese technology and culture on the peninsula will be said to be Korean culture.
This is completely fake. It is ancient Chinese that provides technology and culture to Japan.
Due to the escape or expansion of territorial reasons. There are many Chinese people (= Han) moved to the Korean Peninsula and the Japanese islands (including Okinawa) historical records.
Some of the Chinese who escape because of the war, and passed through the Korean Peninsula to Japan.
Some of the Chinese have established the Chinese Han regime on the peninsula (Goguryeo, Baiji, Silla, Goryeo , Joseon). They settled on the peninsula for a while. Finally, they moved to the Japanese island via the Korean Peninsula. Provide Japanese technology and culture to the Japanese.
(* Do not rule out a small amount of Korean slaves. Following Chinese nobles and scholars to move to Japan)
So China is too Asian countries what Greece was to the ancient world 🌍.
@@brianticas7671 was proposed by Japan after World War II (there is no such statement in history). It was the beginning of the Japanese fabrication of history. Otherwise, how would they solve the problem of a large number of ancient Shang Dynasty tombs and Chinese cultural relics (including ancient Chinese buildings) in today s Japan, Korea and Vietnam have been unearthed in the territories.
Will they recognize to the world that ancient Japan, Korea and Vietnam have been Chinese territories and places where Chinese people have lived since ancient times?
They will certify all the unearthed cultural relics of high culture and leave them locally.
Will a large number of historical records with Chinese characters (as well as a large number of ancient Chinese objects and buildings) be returned and recognized as belonging to the Chinese?
Japan has made false news on unearthed cultural relics and history many times. Among them, it was intended to push back the date of the invention of Japanese characters and inscribe them on ancient Chinese cultural relics and ancient Chinese borrowings .
Korea also engraved Korean characters on ancient Chinese coins unearthed on the Korean Peninsula.. Their purpose is obvious. They want to incorporate these locally unearthed Chinese tombs and cultural relics into the history of the fake japanese/korean civilization they created.
@@brianticas7671 Chinese culture has never been shared.
Japanese traditional culture came from invading China and absorbing a small number of Chinese people. It has a history of only a few hundred years.
And Korea and Vietnam have always been Chinese territories and are directly governed by China. In modern times, they The country was founded (governed by the United States). They took over the culture and palaces left by the local Chinese and recreated fake history and culture.They intend to impersonate ancient Chinese.
The map of the Tang Dynasty of China shown by Japanese scholars includes half of the ancient Japanese territory (Including Nara, an old capital of Japan) . The other half is the local indigenous people (including those whose native language is Japanese). There are more than 100 tribes.
In Chinese historical records, the "Japanese " king (wa king 倭王/天皇) wrote to It is mentioned in Chinese official letters. In ancient times, the Japanese always called themselves "Chinese中國人/漢人". They called Japan at that time - " China中國/中華". called foreigners-" barbarians蠻夷"
* The situation in ancient Korea and Vietnam was the same as that in ancient Japan. Their rulers and nobles also claimed to be "Chinese". They called the local area- " China" . called foreigners-" barbarians"
In the territories of Japan, Korea and Vietnam today, there are many ancient Chinese buildings. There are thousands of ancient Chinese tombs (including a large number of murals and unearthed cultural relics) and tombstones. They include a large number of Chinese character records (including bamboo slips and oracle bone inscriptions). There are also reasons During the war, a large number of ancient Chinese objects and cultural relics were robbed. They have not yet been returned to China.
* To this day, more than 1,000 ancient Chinese tombs (Qin & Han Dynasty) have been unearthed in North Korea, including a huge number of ancient Chinese objects and books.
2:47 Chinese practice of the turtle shell oracles during Shang and Zhou Dynasty. Unsure if the historian was merely projecting his ideals or if it was still practiced in Japan.
Interesting that, as far as my very poor Japanese understands, ‘Hime’ nowadays literally means ‘Princess’
hime=姬,in chinese hanzi,it is a very ancient name,one of the oldest name,and most time it means king,pricess,and woman
Crazy how nice this is at 3am chilling in bed but not 3am the night before a test
Interesting that they had extreme long life even in ancient history
Scientifically impossible. There is also a record in Chinese records that the Chinese longevity has lived over 200 years old. It doesn't mean Japan today. and It has several meanings. It can be classified as a pirate, and is said to mean many things, such as an Asian country people or a poor man.
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in clavell's shogun there is a passage, where Toranaga speaks to Ishido: remember the time china sent an embassy, we all expected them to negotiate the truce between japan and corea; but the chinese embassy adressed the Taiko and offered to "confirm him as king of wa" on behalf of their emperor, upon which the taiko graciously decided not to send the embassy back to china in small boxes, specially prepared hor the corpses, but let them go home, so he could declare war on china as well as continue the war on cporea ;)
it's just a passage I read ysterday
And Japan was humiliated each incursion into Korea during the Imjin War
Fascinating. Nice also to hear a account of pre Samurai Japan.
So if my relative messes up I'll be in trouble to 😬
The way it should be
As it turns out - North Korea and Japan have more in common than I once believed 👌
I guess the whole tradition of upholding the family’s honor in Japan is pretty old after all
If your family saw that you had criminal tendencies, they would probably take care of you first.
I wonder if the historian was only talking about the Yayoi or there were Ainu descriptions mixed in as well...
Ainus were not part of the Kingdom of Wa. The Ainu didn't have any relationship with China. Supposedly China knew of Emishi and Ainu from descriptions given to them by the Yamato Japanese, but I don't know if those accounts came from a bit later. This was written during Japan's Kofun period.
I dont think they would hve even known of the Ainu, since they were removed long before...
@@f1r3hydr4nt Ainu still exist today. You may be thinking of Jomon.
@@Figgy5119 Were the Chinese accounts more accurate than the European accounts?
Europeans didn't meet the Japanese until much later, at the end of the 15th century, so the only account from Europeans before that would be Marco Polo talking about how the Chinese told him a country further to the east called Jipangu exists.
Most interesting about this is, this part of history was lost in Japan, and was only record in Chinese history book. We don't really know if Pimiko really existed.
the famous Cambodia building and lost city was also recorded in Chinese book, not only the city but also their religion and customs
Having watched various videos about Japan from this channel, I notice that Japan's customs have changes drastically throughout the millennia. Some things stay the same (ppl live long and no theft), but much other than that has been different in each era.
the same goes for Europe...
Um….no shit? You think a country’s customs wouldn’t drastically change over the last 2000 years?
@@kn2549 When you put it that way, it does sound quite obvious, doesn't it?
I wonder if the unkept man was an Emishi. The more rugged native of the island.
It might be possible. The Emishi were apparently described as being hairy, meaning the men could’ve had beards. In modern Japan there’s a bias against facial hair, although in the Sengoku period it was common for men to have beards and mustaches, or hige as they’re known in Japanese. In fact for samurai it was necessary for them to have one. Men who couldn’t, like Toyotomi Hideyoshi, had fake beards to wear.
Actually, it's pretty much as the text described. They would pick a man from the untouchables class and he would be the one to inherit all the bad luck during a ship's travels. The reason he couldn't bathe, would be because he'd be washing away all the impurities and bad luck he was accumulating of behalf of the voyage.
josiah williams no, fool just any guy selected from the villages to guarantee that I’ll fortune would be deflected into him if anything bad happened.
6:48 „We expect you to rule your people in peace and to endeavor to be devoted and obedient.“
Are you on bitchute? This is a good channel. It would be good if I could listen to you there.
Great work of literature and translation! This is the exact history of Wa, written from the perspective of that time!
Long lived but very short, average 120 to 140cm, based on their clothes and houses in ancient Japan. While in ancient China, people are quite normal, Confucius was 196cm based on unearthed local ancient ruler, Yanzi, the shortest ancient Chinese minister, was 158cm.
If you have scientific knowledge, you will know that the record is wrong.
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Japan proves small people are indeed superior
Extremely well done.
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Good to know that the Japanese have been outliving us lesser men for tens of thousands of years
The people today called the japanese had just arrived on the archipelago a few hundred years before this was written from china. So "for tens of thousands of years" no.
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@@andrewlove3686 Something like that wouldn't just evolve over a few generations. Most likely that adaptation was already possessed by the Yamato before they crossed over from Korea or it was possessed by the Joumon and carried over due to ad-mixture.So yes. Tens of Thousands of Years
@@ofthecaribbean no and yes. No as in nothing to do with jomon admixtures because they have very little a lot have zero. life expectancy, iq, neotony, hormone levels, rate of physical maturation, average behaviors etc. come from being apart of the larger east Asian(mongoloid) genetic population. Which Yes did develop over tens of thousands of years just not in japan and completely unrelated to jomon.
The reason official crime is low is because your family would be punished if you did something wrong. Therefore families kept members inline. Families probably worked out justice with officials to punish their members so no criminal reports were needed.
I am japanese history teacher studing Englis.Do you have a question about japanese history and japanese historical person?I will explain it.
Konichiwa! I'm taking a class on Japanese archaeology. There's one thing I'm a bit confused about. So there is this Japanese records that traces the Japanese imperial line to very ancient time. Do you know which one of them are fictional and who was the first, historically accurate emperor of Japan?
Thanks for taking your time to do this :)
Are "邪马台" and "大和" actually the same thing？Because they sound similar. 俺 中国人
unrealsimon93 Fistly I explain when empire emarge in Japan and how the fact is ambiguous!
Ancient Japan lack their own historical records,therefore We has to see chinese recode of that time because Japan had been under tributary system of China!
According to chinese's records empire didn't exist in 1th,2th,3th century.the most important thing is that 4th century's recode don't exist.that mean we can't understand Japan of 4th century!but We can see chinese records about 5th century in「宋書」倭国伝.There was strong political system in Japan of 5th century:Yamato administration(大和政権),so we can't know the process of Yamato administration!The central character of the administration is empire.so We don't know
when,where,and why he emarged accurately because we lack 4th century!
so the宋書倭国伝 first show empire of Japan. given the fact I can say historically accurate empire began from "Ingyo"(允恭)who exist in chinese records and exist in japanese records in accordance with each other.
and 4th century of Japan are lauk. I can't tell whether empire before "Ingyo" are fictional or not accurately!
@@おぎねる thanks a lot! Since you mentioned China, I'm also very curious about the relationship between those two countries. From what I learned, Japan learned a lot of things from China and likes to emulate it historically. But if so why are they not friends/allies? Japan seems to want to conquer China all the time and attacking Korea too, which I think was under China's protection? Why was this the case? Did the Japanese people have a particular reason to want to conquer China when China looks much bigger on the map.
@@unrealsimon93 Don't worry. Japanese are more confused than you are. LOL
There is a variety of theories about 'from who it became real'. According to the most prevailing theory nowadays the 10th Su-jin and after are real. 2nd to 9th are called like 'missing 8 emperors era'. In this theory, 1st Jin-mu and 10th are the same person as they share common records. This reading is based on historian's study on Kojiki, Nihonshoki, etc.
Then , question is what position the archaeology is taking? 21st Yu-ryaku (in 5th century) is allegedly the first emperor whom they can prove the existence of.
One thing making it confusing is that in the ancient days they did not use the western calendar, of course. They would use the imperial eras, just like, so do we - current Japanese... It's now Reiwa year 2 on 128th as you may know.
neねるさん、差し出がましいコメント、失礼しました。
Half of the video : "A chinese historian who doesn't have fixation on gems and shiny stones from another country ?!"
Reach the end of the video : "Ah ! There it goes !"
They lived to 100 even in AD 300. Amazing. I like how they used to "clap" instead of bowing or kneeling! LOL.
Scientifically impossible.
If you have a little scientific knowledge, you know it's a novel.
A costumed court drama Nirvana in Fire parts 1 and 2 show clapping and bowing as funeral rituals as documented in ancient China
Interesting to hear what is consistent and inconsistent with what is commonly understood in Japan.
That was outstanding
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1.The location of Yamatai-koku is unknown.
If you travel along the route described, you will arrive at the sea in southern Kyushu. For this reason, there has been a 300-year debate since the Edo period(17th to 19th century) as to where Yamatai-koku was located. The specific candidates are Kyushu and Nara, with Nara being the most likely archaeological candidate.
2.About the country name Yamatai
The reading of the name has not been determined. Before the Edo period, it was read as Yamato, but since then it has been read as Yamatai-koku (koku means country), after it was argued by scholars of the Edo period that it might be Yamatai.
Some scholars argue that it is Yamai or Yamaichi.
However, I believe that Yamato is the correct name.
Yamato is another name for Japan that has existed since ancient times, and is also used as a name for places and people. It still exists today in the names of places and people.
3.Who is Himiko?
The person Himiko is not mentioned in the oldest existing history books in Japan. (The oldest extant history book in Japan is from the 8th century AD).
The compiler of the history book refers to the Chinese side of the history book and states in the annotations that "the queen of Japan sent a messenger," but the content of the messenger is that of the empress of the 14th emperor, and it is unclear if the empress is also a real person.
There is another theory that Yamato-totohimomosohime may have actually been Himiko, but this is also unknown. She is said to have been a relative of the 10th emperor and a shaman-like figure, and it is mentioned that a huge tomb was built after her death. Radiometric dating suggests that the tomb was built close to the time of Himiko (mid-3rd century AD).
4.The relationship with Yamato-Dynasty
Is it related to the dynasties of later times? No? If there is a relationship, what kind of relationship is it? The reason is that writing was not widespread in Japan at the time, and records from Chinese history books have been lost.
China was in the era of the Sixteen Kingdoms and did not have time to worry about foreign affairs.
It wasn't until the 5th century A.D. that any mention of Japan appeared again, and the Japanese envoy never mentioned the queen or Yamatai-koku.
It is a mystery what happened in the 150 years since the messengers stopped coming.
For this reason, it is called "the blank fourth century" or "the mysterious fourth century" in Japanese history.
Historical books from the 8th century contain the dynasty's traditions, but there are no written materials from the 4th century, making academic verification difficult.
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What is the accuracy of this?
I live in Japan. Gosh Japan really did get influenced alot by China. It was no more than agricultural towns and fishing villages 2,000 years ago. Since the middle ages, it flourished into a vibrant and unique Asian cultural sphere
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As a overseas Chinese, yes
How do you live in Japan and not aware of Chinese influences? Lmao
No one has commented on how early Japan had a Queen/Empress who was so loved that the king after her was assassinated and another young woman given the position!
Wow, and I thought our News Services were skewed about folks living overseas...
0:31 funny how this painting is from the song dynasty if im not mistaken (1200), even painting from early tang dynasty (600) looked like drawing rather than painting, let alone in year (300s)
Ps. In 300s female and male both have huges sleeves, this painting is actually to represent that time in song dynasty women wore shorter sleeve for practicality since women in song dynasty can establish their own business( also the painting is titled in han dynasty but none of the elements even are from the han dynasty) of course there are still long sleeve used by the elites who doesnt do work hence no need for praticality
yes the nobility dressed in big sleeves and big robes to show that they were not workers, and they could afford huge fabrics. Long dress and long sleeves also kept their body warm. They also rode in horse carriages and sat on floors. Japanese emperor's official dress still resembles that.
I’ve been looking around for what the Polish thought about the Mongols. Or when the Christens and Muslim momentarily joined to fight the invasion. And of course when the crusader states and the Mongols joined to attack the Muslims. I can’t seem to find anything on these events.
Ahhh. The Mongols... the only army to fight Christian crusaders and Japanese samurai at the same time.
That was informative
Good ol' days of empress himiko
@tsunderella I mean she wasn't a sorceress sure, but it's quite possible some Shinto or whatever proto shinto priest "empress" named himiko or the like existed. These are the Chinese writings, the Japanese wouldn't write their first history for another 400 years
yeah but who do you believe more, a "somewhat" contemporary source or something written 400 years after for the sole purpose of showing that Japan and the Japanese emperor were legit?
Well when your only sources are basically glorified propaganda fairy tales issued by the state...
@B. Parts in the Kojiki and Nihongi reference the History of Wei so she was a conscious omission. Likely either because she belonged to a clan other than the Yamato clan, or because the story of a female ruler didn't fit with the narrative the Imperial court wanted to create. The Kojiki and Nihongi are absolutely Yamato propaganda though, no doubt about that, they're political tools for creating a single official history of Japan that suits the Imperial court.
Woa, how is this the first time I've ever heard of Pimiko/Himiko, a shamaness queen in Japan?
so basically, Japan is still the same, they just have modern law and Technology now.
nope, The records at that time do not mean Japan today. In East Asia, wa is a form of multiple ethnic groups. and It has several meanings. It can be classified as a pirate, and is said to mean many things, such as an Asian country people or a poor man.
Everyone listening needs to understand how different the people of 300AD Japan were from those most think of as being "ancient" Japanese--ie, samurai, buddhist, or even Shinto. As far as I understand it, these people were the start of the those who would eventually come to be modern Japanese. They were immigrants from the Korean peninsula who killed off and mixed with the indigenous people living in Japan, who were called the Jomon people (an entirely different ethnic group--Look up the Ainu). I think that so much of the culture we know as being Japanese didn't come about for another 300 years or so at least, and that was still heavily influenced from China.
Ainu people is the newcomer who came to Hokkaido from Okhotsk/Russia after the 13th century.
They are the similar race as the Nivkh people(Gilyak) and the Ulta people(Orok) in Russia.
After Ainu people came to Hokkaido, The "Ware culture" of Hokkaido has disappeared suddenly.
In Hokkaido, It was the "Zoku-jomon period (Kofun, Copper coin, Jomon earthenware)" and then the "Satsumon culture period (Kofun, Ironware, Satsumon earthenware)" by native Japanese until the 13th century. And this culture is belongs to the Japanese Tohoku&Honshu region, not the Okhotsk culture.
The people in Hokkaido and their culture were completely different from Ainu. Ainu people haven't the capability to make the Kofun (Ancient japanese grave) and ironwares, etc.
Why many foreigners misunderstanding about Ainu people?
Is the source a Wikipedia ENG ver? Don't blindly accept slick propaganda.
I don't understand you. Are you saying the existence of Hokkaido residents before the Ainu is propaganda? Or that the opposite us true?
@@BJGvideos Sorry, I forgot why I wrote this comment on this video... Did someone mention Ainu in the comments section? Anyway, I will try to reply to you🙏
The Ainu are not an indigenous people of Hokkaido, Japan. They are invaders from Sakhalin. The indigenous people of Hokkaido are the Japanese people who originated in the 東北 region of Japan. This is proven by archaeological sites and other evidence.
However, Russia claims that the Ainu are the indigenous people of Hokkaido, Japan. And they are spreading propaganda that "Hokkaido must be taken from Japan for the Ainu." Because Russia wants Hokkaido. Russia had a strategic plan to invade Hokkaido before invading Ukraine in 2022. When Russia invaded Ukraine (2014) and Georgia (2008), it did so under the pretext that "the land is the land of ethnic Russians and they are being persecuted." Please do not believe the propaganda.
@@thechikuwa284 I haven't seen anybody make that claim from Russia. Only that "Japan treated the Ainu very badly", which is true. Everyone knows they came later. They were still abused by the Japanese and that's a fact. I don't see anybody trying to link them to Russia, at least not politically.
@@BJGvideos>They were still abused by the Japanese and that's a fact.
Please write the facts here along with the source. I don't believe you can read documents written in old Japanese, so the information you mention must be a Russian or Western hoax created for anti-Japanese purposes.
Japan has been too kind and protective of the Ainu since the beginning of time, in the 15th century the Ainu came under the protection of the Matsumae clan (a samurai clan in the Tohoku region), and the Matsumae clan decreed that fraud against the Ainu would be severely punished. Also, all the folk tools the Ainu have were made by Japanese craftsmen for the Ainu. (They cannot make earthenware, ironware, lacquer household items, etc.). Unlike the cruel colonies of the West, the Japanese do not deprive the Ainu of their language and give them fair education and medical care.
Why do you make such false claims?
Also, there are many propaganda about Ainu, such as UA-cam videos and WIKI.
@@thechikuwa284 What falsehoods are you even accusing me of saying? I'm saying I've never heard anybody try to link the Ainu to Russia, which goes AGAINST your claim that I'm somehow falling for Russian claims. You're not even sure what it is you're accusing me of!
I'd never heard that detail about the 'mourning keeper' envoy that is either ritualistically rewarded or killed depending on the fortunes of the party. Fascinating (if grisly) stuff.
Queen Himiko was a real person. Holy shit.
Aaron Yandell of counrse. may be she is the first 天皇
The only reference to Himiko is from this text. Contemporary Japanese didn't have any writing system that survived to later ages.
Really good observation. Like the take a real interest in their subject and their surroundings.
link to the original text in chinese ctext.org/text.pl?node=603372&if=gb&remap=gb
Korea apparently doesn't exist to China during this period 0:13.