I am sorry to learn of your mother"s passing Bishop, deep condolences to your family.. Eternal rest grant to her O Lord, let your perpetual light shine upon her. May she and all the faithfully departed through the mercy of God rest in peace
Thank you so much to all you at Word on Fire. I'm so grateful to have made the decision to learn about the Catholic Church from Catholics, & I realized that I was Catholic all my life but didn't know it until I found: I cannot serve 2 masters; I cannot sit at the table of both; the wage of sin is death; unless I participate in the eucharist, I do not have life in me & I cannot participate unworthily - I found Catholic teachings in my protestant bibles & realized that is why I always knew that something was missing in my journey. Thank you, Bishop, your series in 2012 helped me with my journey to my true faith.
Our dear Bishop Barron, you said at one point that you were “rambling” but please know that your words could never, ever be deemed a mere rambling! It made me think once again that the contents of the waste paper basket next to your desk should not be emptied … your thoughts in your “strike throughs” are still in all treasures! You are the consummate Shepherd, a phenomenal teacher because you help us to think anew as you so wonderfully “take us with you”! In your books, talks and homilies I do have to look up words on occasion and google some who you quote but I love that you enable me to “grow and become”! I was reminded of a quote I heard which was made by a most erudite speaker who had a command of a splendid vocabulary. After his talk a disgruntled person in the question and answer session told the speaker: “You talked way over my head!” The speaker replied: “No, you ducked!” Thank you, Bishop Barron, for tirelessly loving each of us so wonderfully well by each word and lesson you compose for us. I know The Holy Spirit adores working with you!
Thank God for Rev. Bishop Barron who see’s everything is possible through the will of God the father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He see’s truth,beauty and good in everything.
So very sorry for your loss. I, too, lost my father recently - and he was also born around your mother's time. This video was one of the most enlightening I have heard. I can almost say, it 'changed my life'.
Informative and interesting. I've read Luke Burgis, and I'm fascinated by how the dynamics of mimetic desire are fuelled by social media and marketing. Thank you for another excellent conversation.
I belong to a catholic charismatic community. Over and over we receive "words and proficy" that remind us to keep our eyes on jesus and warn that when we lower our gaze we run into truble.
Heartfelt condolences on the passing of your dear mother... will pray for her transmission to heaven thru the intercession of Saint Nicholas of Tolentino and St. Gertrude... God bless Word on Fire cast and crew... Mabuhay/Aloha
Pope Francis in his Wednesday talk said we should devote ourselves to prayer and stop the chatter. He repeated the last directive ' stop the chatter'. I believe that chatter contributes to the problem of mimetics. St. Benedict said that physical work should be a part of everyone's life. Prayer, work and a closed mouth will go far to reduce mimetics. I am signing up for this direction. Thank you for addressing such an important social analysis.
God please continue to give me strength because I’m losing hope. This prayer is for God only please hear my prayers! I know as a christian it’s important to trust you Father no matter what we are going through. You are my only strength in this world. Like many other single parents things are tough on me. Both of my sons are special needs. I’m constantly struggling to provide for them and now that I’m home schooling them my hours to work are limited. I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children. I get mocked by others because I cry out to you Lord! But I trust you. I’m keeping faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s must do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. Please keep me and my boys in your prayers. Prayers are all I need.
I pray God will you an increase in faith, hope, and charity. Jesus be with you! ❤❤❤ also, I’d like to recommend daily mass. I go on occasion, especially when I’m feeling down the way you do. It really does help and offers so many consolations. I’m a first time mom and I suffer from postpartum depression. The first few days after birth I was crying all the time and felt hopeless. The Eucharist was what gave me the strength to endure. So I now go to daily mass, I try to go every day. It is what makes my day. Our faith is a gift! Please do go, you’ll feel so much better relying on Jesus.
I’m praying for you and your boys, that you will know the constant love of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Jesus knows you and loves you, and will care for you, always.
I’m praying for you. Maybe call your archdiocese to ask if there are support groups/services for families with special needs. And ask local Catholic schools and Catholic homeschooling groups/families. We’ve found wonderful support in our area. Also, online Catholic groups can bring us together, despite distances. The Montessori approach (hands-on) can help engage the senses, which helps with various special needs. God bless you!
I now have a better deeper understanding of what has happened to me as being the scapegoat! I agree step back and call it out. It takes courage and you wont be liked however you will walk the Jesus walk calling out the memetic frenzy! I call it the theater of madness! Blessing to both of you!❤
My family send their deepest condolences to you Bishop Barron. On the loss of your mother. May her soul rest in peace and may her perpetual light shine upon her. With God watching over her in heaven and with all the Saints and Angels guarding her. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😇
Thank you bishop barron for lifting up the awareness of mimetic desires and how to interrupt it's subtle dynamics... by calling it out. Very good analogy on the looking (gazing) down from the transcendent good towards a finite good, kicks in mimetic frenzy, conflict and scapegoating. Thanks for Unveiling the subtleties (19:30) bishop.
This is a very interesting topic & interview. Much appreciated. Also, I was greatly impressed w/the Q&A re: Classical education-oriented schools. Thank you, Brandon, for having started one, & thank you, Bishop Barron, for your response to the Nebraska gent's question. Having taught Latin for a number of years in one in our region, I could see the genuine fruits it often produced. AND no, we did not cater to "only the brightest & best" or "more normal". I worked w/several children w/learning disabilities, autism, & brain seizure issues; yet those children, now adults, are equally wonderful caring, responsible, often educated beyond the Bachelor's College Degrees, some Christian, citizens/human beings, as any of the "brightest & best". AND I might add, we operated successfully w/a MUCH SMALLER budget than most public schools' complaints!!
I loved this episode. Keep up the good work, Bishop Barron. Girard is indeed a profound thinker, and his mimetic theory really resonated with me. One of his quotes is among my favorite quotes of all time, as it provides an riveting interpretation of Christianity and provides a very neat explanation of the relationship between Girard's mimetic theory and Christian theology: "Christianity is the only religion that has foreseen its own failure. This prescience is known as the apocalypse. Indeed, it is in the apocalyptic texts that the word of God is most forceful, repudiating mistakes that are entirely the fault of humans, who are less and less inclined to acknowledge the mechanisms of their violence. The longer we persist in our error, the stronger God’s voice will emerge from the devastation. […] The Passion unveiled the sacrificial origin of humanity once and for all. It dismantled the sacred and revealed its violence. […] By accepting crucifixion, Christ brought to light what had been ‘hidden since the foundation of the world,’ in other words, the foundation itself, the unanimous murder that appeared in broad daylight for the first time on the cross. In order to function, archaic religions need to hide their founding murder, which was being repeated continually in ritual sacrifices, thereby protecting human societies from their own violence. By revealing the founding murder, Christianity destroyed the ignorance and superstition that are indispensable to such religions. It thus made possible an advance in knowledge that was until then unimaginable. […] The protective system of scapegoats is finally destroyed by the Crucifixion narratives as they reveal Jesus’ innocence, and, little by little, that of all analogous victims. […] We can all participate in the divinity of Christ so long as we renounce our own violence.”-Rene Girard
Great presentation! Clearly it reflects Rene Girard but also James Alison who might not see eye to eye with Bishop Barron on everything but certainly does on scapegoating!
Good morning Bishop Barron and Brandon. Please do a talk on Hilaire Belloc…whom The Holy Spirit used greatly, in the process of Chesterton’s conversion.
Instead of blaming victimization on the victims, the Gospels blame it on the victimizers. What the myths systematically hide, the Bible reveals. *- Rene Girard*
Boy do I feel like this came out on the exact right day. Feel like a whole lot of people could learn to stop scapegoating certain people online. A guy in Rome and maybe even a guy in like Texas or something, I dunno.
This scapegoating tendency is prevalent in the workplace. I suspect most of us a guilty of engaging in it, and too many of us do just what we accuse others of doing.
I read the title as "Scapegoating the digital world," as in blaming the digital world for all our troubles. Which is itself a problem, to be fair. People like to blame the online world in the same way they blame games or music or guns or comic books or whatever else rather than blaming sin. All these things are tools which can be used for good or ill. The fact that they've been misused by some is the fault of the sinner, not the tool. But the actual purpose of the video is valid too. 😅
I inherited a very unique Bible, which confuses me at times. When I search for "Scapegoat"(in English) I am directed to "A.za'zel", and to "See ATONEMENT, DAY OF." It is so plaited with references, I suspect I am being goaded into confusion. So thank you, Sir, for revisiting this premise.
I humbly learned a lot from this but it’s scary to think I fit the characteristics of being a scapegoat. And I’ve been outcast from my family, from prayer groups, even other Catholics, and of course at work and even on sports teams. I’m the hero at the beginning and then as time passes everyone will turn on me. I don’t say this to brag I just really am afraid of this happening again at my new job. Please pray for me Bishop. I need Jesus and His grace to survive this crazy world.
Sounds like: A. You speak too much and listen to little to others. Remember, others don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. Stay silent and only offer encouraging words to others on occasion. Or, B. You are in need of some deliverance prayers as a demon is charged with ruining your friendships. Ask a priest for some and have some Masses said for you. I will pray for you. Peace in Christ.
@@G-MIP I definitely speak too much and listen too little. It’s always been a problem of mine. Having said that maybe I do need some masses said and deliverance prayers said as well. Idk. But I think you hit it right on the head with A. I’m trying to work on it.
I have met Dale Alquist. He is absolutely an expert of GK Chesterton. He came to our parish in Hastings, NE. If you get the chance to go to one of his educational talks with questions and answers, go to it. You won't be disappointed.
Every kingdom divided against itself is reduced to desolation, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. And if the Accuser exorcizes the Accuser, he has been divided against himself; how therefore will his kingdom stand? -Lord Jesus Christ
Profound theory! Also an interesting connection with the death of Jesus there. I've often thought of it that way myself, that he was in a sense holding up a mirror to people, and the evils of scapegoating.. Kind of like those protestors who hold a mirror in front of themselves, for the police to see.
Sometimes the accuser seeks allies in their intent to target an innocent. When the accusation is taken to authority, and the authority proposes some action against the innocent the subversive redirects their attack to the authority; with accusations of an unjust action. The True scapegoat is the authority. A benign weakness in authority is exploited. Being human, all human authority, has the potential to fall to these tricks.
I was the scapegoat in my abusive family. I was able to escape by learning what narcissism was and how all that works. One day I wondered what the Bible says about narcissism so I read the Gospels again. I have become a devout traditional Catholic and have found profound healing in Christ. Sounds like Girard was kind of the godfather of narcissistic theory.
Surely not ALL desire follows this pattern. Take for example our desire for our children to be happy healthy etc. We desire a job to earn a living . Or our property needs repair. We desire what is necessary to provide the repair. This has nothing to do with anything or anyone else but to be responsible for taking care of ourselves and world -- personal or public. Desire needs to be tied to some purpose that is intrinsically good . I have not read Girard but perhaps when the mimetic desires take over is when it is challenged in some way . The challenge is the issue . So conflict is not specifically an outcome of desire but precedes it so that mimetic desire is what results. Conflict is not intrinsically good creating this chaos for desire. So lesson is whatever we desire needs to be tethered to the Good and therefore to some good purpose that is good in itself and not for something else! Plato gets this one right !.
I hope beyond hope that you see this, I also hope beyond hope that you respond,but don’t think you will if in fact you read this. Your mission , your calling , your impact is immense around the world regarding Christ’s church. I know you wrote , Letter to a Suffering Church, wonderful. I still want to know how you reconcile deliberating with your fellow priests and bishops. How do you deal with the fact that you are involved in religious life with these men who are guilty of heinous crimes. This is not the church of Christ. Your presence, mind, heart and soul are too valuable to His life and His mission . You’re too decent and valuable to His mission to be fighting for this corrupt business. With all due respect and love. The corruption in this business is anything but God.
Good shepherd, thanks for helping me up, and pointing the way to God for the mob. Seems I’m freed from one mob, only to find myself in another. Every mob seems to forgets to care for the widow, the orphaned, and loves only themselves . Just one last thought.There’s a life story about a woman who loves four persons, but at their core, they’re just one mind one body. Add to that, her kid was adopted by one who did not father it. They now live happily ever after-eternally. I don’t mean to have a favorite out of 250,000, but I do.
I don't know... I think there is something *deeply* mysterious about this unveiling of the scapegoat, and the gravity of that must be appreciated. Because as the devil does, he will take any truth and corrupt it. Many people perhaps casually hear this and _mistakenly_ think "scapegoat bad" and therefore avoid identifying transgression altogether (another win for the devil).
Excellent! I would say, in regard to Peter in the courtyard, however, it wasn’t the fact that he was different per se, but that he had characteristics that aligned him with Jesus. Also, the woman caught in adultery is not the scapegoat, she is a weapon against Jesus, who is the scapegoat. One can get a little too carried away with the scapegoat analysis, and read it onto everything.
Good day, Marilyn. What makes "the woman caught in adultery" (Jn. 8:1-11) a scapegoat is the fact that she alone is brought before Jesus by the (male) "scribes and Pharisees," who "made her stand in front of everyone." Since it takes two to commit adultery, one should ask: Where was the man? Why was he not also brought before Jesus? In the story, the woman--and the woman alone--is being held responsible for, say, "the harm done to the institute of marriage in the community." A few years ago, the movie "The Stoning of Soraya M" (2008) portrayed the scapegoating of a Muslim woman under the cover of the sharia laws against sexual sin: but the sin was the husband's (who lusted after another woman), not his wife's. But the wife had no recourse for justice; she died an innocent woman.
@@frankattanucci6748 The reasons I do not think this is a case of scapegoating are: 1) there is no reason to think she is innocent, 2) it was not Jewish practice to stone people caught in adultery at the time of Jesus-divorce was, 3) they brought her to Jesus, rather than simply going ahead with the stoning. Jesus would not have been the proper authority. They were trying to trap him and were using her adultery as a pretext. It may have been unjust of them to just bring the woman. That is probably Jesus’ point in telling them that whoever has no sin should cast the first stone. But I don’t think it’s proper to call it scapegoating.
@@marilynmelzian7370 Thanks for the reply. 1) I am not sure if innocence is a necessary condition for a person (or group) to be designated a scapegoat. What is essential is the (temporary) peace that follows from the society's coming together to "designate and sacrifice" the scapegoat. 2) I agree: it was not necessarily the case that the "scribes and Pharisees" were ever intent on stoning the woman. Their question to Jesus, "In the law, Moses ordered such women to be stoned. What do you have to say about the case?" The gospel text allows for this possibility, for it indicates their motive: "They were posing this question to trap him, so that they could have something to accuse him of." So the question becomes: Trap him [Jesus] in what? My sense: They were hoping to trap Jesus in speech. For example, if Jesus (who perhaps had acquired a reputation for being merciful), directly abrogated the law of Moses, He would, in effect, be declaring Himself to be above the law of Moses (see Mt. 12:41-42 and Jn. 1:17). On the other hand, if Jesus agreed that the woman should be stoned, then He could be accused of "heartless rigorism" (and denounced to the people on those grounds). 3) To my understanding, Jesus's response: "Let the man among you who has no sin be the first to cast a stone at her," strikes at the heart of the scapegoat mechanism: which requires that the crowd/society look upon the "designated other/scapegoat" as being "the cause for all that ails them", rather than looking within and (perhaps) finding the cause there.
is there any correlation to this topic with the "scapegoat" in the Old Testament? And if/how Christ is a kind of scapegoat that that was foreshadowing?
Pontius Pilate's dream from Jesus Christ Superstar: "I dreamed I met Galilean, a most amazing man. He had that look you very rarely find: the haunting, hunted kind. I asked him to say what had happened, how it all began. I asked again, he never said a word, as if he hadn't heard. And next the room was full of wild and angry men. They seemed to hate this man. They fell on him and then they disappeared again. Then I saw thousands of millions crying for this man. And then I heard them mentioning my name....and leaving me the blame.
This makes me think of the discrimination against immigrants. They get blamed for so many things in our society. God says we should treat immigrants as our siblings, as we are all children of our One Father. I believe that our government needs to be better planning to assist integration of immigrants.
This doesnt make sense to me. So there are not individuals or groups that cause issues? Theres a person or a group causing children, at least encouraging, to commit horrible sin should they not be dealt with?
To say that desire is 'hardly ever straight-forward' is totally wrong. Many of us could not care less what others want but have our own very personal and independent ambitions and wants. Personally, while everybody drinks coffee and beer, i want neither, thank you. Everybody wants a house, i don't. I became a medical doctor because that is what i wanted since i first developed a brain. I have visited Yemen, and Libia, South Africa, Iran, Iraq, places nobody wants to go to, simply because that is my own independent and non-mimetic desire. By the same token, neither my brother nor my best friends pursue or buy things because others are doing it, but rather because of the intrinsic qualities of the object alone. And the fact that some of us have minds of our own is evidenced by this very bishop in his own example: toddler A wants the object toddler B picked. In other words, toddler B has a mind of his own and his desire is not 'mimetic'. So this talk applies only to a certain segment of the population ... and surely, mostly to the females.
@@russellmiles2861 Isn't adultery a capital offense in the Bible? Can you support your statement the Hebrews did not practice capital punishment at the time? How did Jesus criticize the woman? And in saying to her, "Go, and sin no more." he was acknowledging she had sinned.
@@russellmiles2861 Recall two incidents found in Exodus. When Moses found some of the Hebrews worshipping a golden calf 3,000 were put to the sword. Then a man was seen picking up sticks on the Sabbath. He was taken outside the camp and stoned to death. And the offenses listed as capital offenses are there, whether or not the sentence was often carried out. As to the woman taken in adultery, it is not the act of sex which is condemned, but the fact of adultery. We may consider sex a private concern. The Bible has a rather different view.
In the Bible, a scapegoat is one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness, taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.-- Google
I am sorry to learn of your mother"s passing Bishop, deep condolences to your family.. Eternal rest grant to her O Lord, let your perpetual light shine upon her. May she and all the faithfully departed through the mercy of God rest in peace
Yes Bishop, prayers for your mother's soul and for your family 🙏
Yes. Prayers for you and your family.
Thank you so much to all you at Word on Fire. I'm so grateful to have made the decision to learn about the Catholic Church from Catholics, & I realized that I was Catholic all my life but didn't know it until I found: I cannot serve 2 masters; I cannot sit at the table of both; the wage of sin is death; unless I participate in the eucharist, I do not have life in me & I cannot participate unworthily - I found Catholic teachings in my protestant bibles & realized that is why I always knew that something was missing in my journey. Thank you, Bishop, your series in 2012 helped me with my journey to my true faith.
Our dear Bishop Barron, you said at one point that you were “rambling” but please know that your words could never, ever be deemed a mere rambling! It made me think once again that the contents of the waste paper basket next to your desk should not be emptied … your thoughts in your “strike throughs” are still in all treasures! You are the consummate Shepherd, a phenomenal teacher because you help us to think anew as you so wonderfully “take us with you”! In your books, talks and homilies I do have to look up words on occasion and google some who you quote but I love that you enable me to “grow and become”! I was reminded of a quote I heard which was made by a most erudite speaker who had a command of a splendid vocabulary. After his talk a disgruntled person in the question and answer session told the speaker: “You talked way over my head!” The speaker replied: “No, you ducked!” Thank you, Bishop Barron, for tirelessly loving each of us so wonderfully well by each word and lesson you compose for us. I know The Holy Spirit adores working with you!
Good morning from Germany. Let us pray that the Lord will stay with us.
God is always with his faithful! I’m praying for you all. ❤
Thank God for Rev. Bishop Barron who see’s everything is possible through the will of God the father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. He see’s truth,beauty and good in everything.
So very sorry for your loss. I, too, lost my father recently - and he was also born around your mother's time.
This video was one of the most enlightening I have heard. I can almost say, it 'changed my life'.
My deepest sympathies to you and your family, Bishop.
May your mom’s soul Rest In Peace😢
God Bless you both, thank you Bishop Barron for peeling back anothoer onion for me 🙏🏼
Sorry Bishop on the passing of your mother she most surely was very proud of you.
Bishop Barron, my condolences on the passing of your mother. Sending prayers for the happy repose of her soul and comfort for your heart.
Good morning. Hail Mary.
I’m Mary too - thanks for good morning: trying to scrape by a few chores.
Full of Grace...
@@anthonyroyka3948The LORD is with thee. Blessed are thou❤️
Informative and interesting. I've read Luke Burgis, and I'm fascinated by how the dynamics of mimetic desire are fuelled by social media and marketing. Thank you for another excellent conversation.
I belong to a catholic charismatic community. Over and over we receive "words and proficy" that remind us to keep our eyes on jesus and warn that when we lower our gaze we run into truble.
Please go to a reverent parish. “Charismatic” Catholicism is sacrilegious and heretical.
Heartfelt condolences on the passing of your dear mother... will pray for her transmission to heaven thru the intercession of Saint Nicholas of Tolentino and St. Gertrude... God bless Word on Fire cast and crew... Mabuhay/Aloha
Amen 🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Pope Francis in his Wednesday talk said we should devote ourselves to prayer and stop the chatter. He repeated the last directive ' stop the chatter'. I believe that chatter contributes to the problem of mimetics. St. Benedict said that physical work should be a part of everyone's life. Prayer, work and a closed mouth will go far to reduce mimetics. I am signing up for this direction.
Thank you for addressing such an important social analysis.
I enjoyed this vide Bishop Barron, you and Brandon are so good on this show. Very interesting. May GOD bless you both abundantly. ➕️♥️
God please continue to give me strength because I’m losing hope. This prayer is for God only please hear my prayers! I know as a christian it’s important to trust you Father no matter what we are going through. You are my only strength in this world. Like many other single parents things are tough on me. Both of my sons are special needs. I’m constantly struggling to provide for them and now that I’m home schooling them my hours to work are limited. I’m overwhelmed. Father God hear my prayers. My faith in you is strong! Even as I constantly struggle to pay my rent. And I constantly struggle to provide groceries for my children. I get mocked by others because I cry out to you Lord! But I trust you. I’m keeping faith. Walking with faith is the most important thing us christian’s must do. That’s why love compassion and prayers are all we truly need. Please keep me and my boys in your prayers. Prayers are all I need.
Praying for you
Praying for you and my heart hurts. Please pour over blessings and provide for this mother and her children.
I pray God will you an increase in faith, hope, and charity. Jesus be with you! ❤❤❤ also, I’d like to recommend daily mass. I go on occasion, especially when I’m feeling down the way you do. It really does help and offers so many consolations.
I’m a first time mom and I suffer from postpartum depression. The first few days after birth I was crying all the time and felt hopeless. The Eucharist was what gave me the strength to endure. So I now go to daily mass, I try to go every day. It is what makes my day. Our faith is a gift! Please do go, you’ll feel so much better relying on Jesus.
I’m praying for you and your boys, that you will know the constant love of the Sacred Heart of Jesus. Jesus knows you and loves you, and will care for you, always.
I’m praying for you. Maybe call your archdiocese to ask if there are support groups/services for families with special needs. And ask local Catholic schools and Catholic homeschooling groups/families. We’ve found wonderful support in our area. Also, online Catholic groups can bring us together, despite distances. The Montessori approach (hands-on) can help engage the senses, which helps with various special needs. God bless you!
Thank you for this! Now I finally understand my family dynamics.
My deepest condolences for your loss Bishop Barron and your entire family! She raised your well !❤️
So sorry about your dear mom passing.may she rest in peace.god bless you thank you for the truth you prece.
I now have a better deeper understanding of what has happened to me as being the scapegoat! I agree step back and call it out. It takes courage and you wont be liked however you will walk the Jesus walk calling out the memetic frenzy! I call it the theater of madness! Blessing to both of you!❤
Thank you for your show!Sorry for loss your mother!Rest in Peace.
Thank you for a wonderful show.
My family send their deepest condolences to you Bishop Barron. On the loss of your mother. May her soul rest in peace and may her perpetual light shine upon her. With God watching over her in heaven and with all the Saints and Angels guarding her. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😇
Glory to Jesus Christ 🙏☦️❤️
Amen 🌹
This Bishop is just so wise.
Thank you bishop barron for lifting up the awareness of mimetic desires and how to interrupt it's subtle dynamics... by calling it out. Very good analogy on the looking (gazing) down from the transcendent good towards a finite good, kicks in mimetic frenzy, conflict and scapegoating. Thanks for Unveiling the subtleties (19:30) bishop.
we read "The Lottery" in middle school and I ever forgot it! Absolutely chilling!!!
This is a very interesting topic & interview. Much appreciated. Also, I was greatly impressed w/the Q&A re: Classical education-oriented schools. Thank you, Brandon, for having started one, & thank you, Bishop Barron, for your response to the Nebraska gent's question. Having taught Latin for a number of years in one in our region, I could see the genuine fruits it often produced. AND no, we did not cater to "only the brightest & best" or "more normal". I worked w/several children w/learning disabilities, autism, & brain seizure issues; yet those children, now adults, are equally wonderful caring, responsible, often educated beyond the Bachelor's College Degrees, some Christian, citizens/human beings, as any of the "brightest & best". AND I might add, we operated successfully w/a MUCH SMALLER budget than most public schools' complaints!!
I loved this episode. Keep up the good work, Bishop Barron. Girard is indeed a profound thinker, and his mimetic theory really resonated with me. One of his quotes is among my favorite quotes of all time, as it provides an riveting interpretation of Christianity and provides a very neat explanation of the relationship between Girard's mimetic theory and Christian theology:
"Christianity is the only religion that has foreseen its own failure. This prescience is known as the apocalypse. Indeed, it is in the apocalyptic texts that the word of God is most forceful, repudiating mistakes that are entirely the fault of humans, who are less and less inclined to acknowledge the mechanisms of their violence. The longer we persist in our error, the stronger God’s voice will emerge from the devastation. […] The Passion unveiled the sacrificial origin of humanity once and for all. It dismantled the sacred and revealed its violence. […] By accepting crucifixion, Christ brought to light what had been ‘hidden since the foundation of the world,’ in other words, the foundation itself, the unanimous murder that appeared in broad daylight for the first time on the cross. In order to function, archaic religions need to hide their founding murder, which was being repeated continually in ritual sacrifices, thereby protecting human societies from their own violence. By revealing the founding murder, Christianity destroyed the ignorance and superstition that are indispensable to such religions. It thus made possible an advance in knowledge that was until then unimaginable. […] The protective system of scapegoats is finally destroyed by the Crucifixion narratives as they reveal Jesus’ innocence, and, little by little, that of all analogous victims. […] We can all participate in the divinity of Christ so long as we renounce our own violence.”-Rene Girard
C S Lewis is my best friend👊.
(That's a bro fist)
Unity in Goodness, Truth and Beauty.
Let's take back LIGHT
Let's take back LIFE
Let's take back LOVE
Great presentation! Clearly it reflects Rene Girard but also James Alison who might not see eye to eye with Bishop Barron on everything but certainly does on scapegoating!
Sincerest condolences Father.
Really moved by this, definitely want to check out René Girard
Our deep condolences to your family and prayers to your mom bishop barron. May she rest in peace.
Amen, our deepest sympathies. To lose one's mother has got to be one of the hardest things.
Blessing Against Storms, from the Pieta prayerbook. Please search that
The best thing that can happen to a mother is to have great kids. Your mother had that. So sorry for your loss.
Thank you very much.
Good morning Bishop Barron and Brandon.
Please do a talk on Hilaire Belloc…whom The Holy Spirit used greatly, in the process of Chesterton’s conversion.
Instead of blaming victimization on the victims, the Gospels blame it on the victimizers. What the myths systematically hide, the Bible reveals. *- Rene Girard*
Wow….just wow! This is very enlightening to me. Thank you!
Very important discussion worth listening to a few times.
Boy do I feel like this came out on the exact right day. Feel like a whole lot of people could learn to stop scapegoating certain people online. A guy in Rome and maybe even a guy in like Texas or something, I dunno.
Amen Alleluia ❤
This scapegoating tendency is prevalent in the workplace. I suspect most of us a guilty of engaging in it, and too many of us do just what we accuse others of doing.
I read the title as "Scapegoating the digital world," as in blaming the digital world for all our troubles. Which is itself a problem, to be fair. People like to blame the online world in the same way they blame games or music or guns or comic books or whatever else rather than blaming sin. All these things are tools which can be used for good or ill. The fact that they've been misused by some is the fault of the sinner, not the tool. But the actual purpose of the video is valid too. 😅
I inherited a very unique Bible, which confuses me at times.
When I search for "Scapegoat"(in English)
I am directed to "A.za'zel", and to "See ATONEMENT, DAY OF."
It is so plaited with references, I suspect I am being goaded into confusion.
So thank you, Sir, for revisiting this premise.
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Thank you for this explanation. I now better understand what is happening in my own family.
So sorry for the loss of your mother..
I humbly learned a lot from this but it’s scary to think I fit the characteristics of being a scapegoat. And I’ve been outcast from my family, from prayer groups, even other Catholics, and of course at work and even on sports teams. I’m the hero at the beginning and then as time passes everyone will turn on me. I don’t say this to brag I just really am afraid of this happening again at my new job. Please pray for me Bishop. I need Jesus and His grace to survive this crazy world.
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Sounds like:
A. You speak too much and listen to little to others. Remember, others don’t care how much you know until they know how much you care. Stay silent and only offer encouraging words to others on occasion.
Or,
B. You are in need of some deliverance prayers as a demon is charged with ruining your friendships. Ask a priest for some and have some Masses said for you.
I will pray for you.
Peace in Christ.
@@G-MIP I definitely speak too much and listen too little. It’s always been a problem of mine. Having said that maybe I do need some masses said and deliverance prayers said as well. Idk. But I think you hit it right on the head with A. I’m trying to work on it.
@@ChristIsLord7 listening id the BEST way we show love for others. Listening also gives us the right to be listened to :)
excellent!
Lord Jesus Christ son of God have mercy on me a sinner 🙏☦️❤️
Amen x
I have met Dale Alquist. He is absolutely an expert of GK Chesterton. He came to our parish in Hastings, NE. If you get the chance to go to one of his educational talks with questions and answers, go to it. You won't be disappointed.
René Girard is a hugely important thinker.
Excellent, gentlemen
Beautiful! Eye opening!
Could you consider an episode on Guardian angels?
Good idea
Every kingdom divided against itself is reduced to desolation, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. And if the Accuser exorcizes the Accuser, he has been divided against himself; how therefore will his kingdom stand?
-Lord Jesus Christ
Profound theory!
Also an interesting connection with the death of Jesus there. I've often thought of it that way myself, that he was in a sense holding up a mirror to people, and the evils of scapegoating.. Kind of like those protestors who hold a mirror in front of themselves, for the police to see.
Hello how are you doing today hope you're having a wonderful day so far?
Amen
Excelent and very relevant.
Can't wait!
I can
Sometimes the accuser seeks allies in their intent to target an innocent. When the accusation is taken to authority, and the authority proposes some action against the innocent the subversive redirects their attack to the authority; with accusations of an unjust action. The True scapegoat is the authority. A benign weakness in authority is exploited. Being human, all human authority, has the potential to fall to these tricks.
I was the scapegoat in my abusive family. I was able to escape by learning what narcissism was and how all that works. One day I wondered what the Bible says about narcissism so I read the Gospels again. I have become a devout traditional Catholic and have found profound healing in Christ. Sounds like Girard was kind of the godfather of narcissistic theory.
Am so happy for you how long have you know our Lord Jesus
@@RichardMassimo-hy5rm Thank you. I've known Him all my life but He's known me even longer:)
@@anniethompson1041 am really glad to hear that, so how are you doing today?
As explaining how much Jesús Christ LOVES the Church and invites to all
Oh my goodness, don't lower your gaze❤
Jacob my worm is a term of endearment ❤
Please accept my condolences on the death of your beloved mother.Our prayers are with your family for repose of her soul.
VG+ content 👍 Blessings to you both 🙏
Surely not ALL desire follows this pattern. Take for example our desire for our children to be happy healthy etc. We desire a job to earn a living . Or our property needs repair. We desire what is necessary to provide the repair. This has nothing to do with anything or anyone else but to be responsible for taking care of ourselves and world -- personal or public. Desire needs to be tied to some purpose that is intrinsically good . I have not read Girard but perhaps when the mimetic desires take over is when it is challenged in some way . The challenge is the issue . So conflict is not specifically an outcome of desire but precedes it so that mimetic desire is what results. Conflict is not intrinsically good creating this chaos for desire. So lesson is whatever we desire needs to be tethered to the Good and therefore to some good purpose that is good in itself and not for something else! Plato gets this one right !.
That's positive mimesis you're talking about and it is of the plenitude of being, which, I believe the bishop mentions.
I have been scapegoated so now I don't think I will put up with it any more.I have been used too many times..Not any more.
I LOVE Shakespeare
I hope beyond hope that you see this, I also hope beyond hope that you respond,but don’t think you will if in fact you read this. Your mission , your calling , your impact is immense around the world regarding Christ’s church. I know you wrote , Letter to a Suffering Church, wonderful. I still want to know how you reconcile deliberating with your fellow priests and bishops. How do you deal with the fact that you are involved in religious life with these men who are guilty of heinous crimes. This is not the church of Christ. Your presence, mind, heart and soul are too valuable to His life and His mission . You’re too decent and valuable to His mission to be fighting for this corrupt business. With all due respect and love. The corruption in this business is anything but God.
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29:56 Good stuff.
Good shepherd, thanks for helping me up, and pointing the way to God for the mob. Seems I’m freed from one mob, only to find myself in another. Every mob seems to forgets to care for the widow, the orphaned, and loves only themselves . Just one last thought.There’s a life story about a woman who loves four persons, but at their core, they’re just one mind one body. Add to that, her kid was adopted by one who did not father it. They now live happily ever after-eternally. I don’t mean to have a favorite out of 250,000, but I do.
I don't know... I think there is something *deeply* mysterious about this unveiling of the scapegoat, and the gravity of that must be appreciated. Because as the devil does, he will take any truth and corrupt it. Many people perhaps casually hear this and _mistakenly_ think "scapegoat bad" and therefore avoid identifying transgression altogether (another win for the devil).
Excellent! I would say, in regard to Peter in the courtyard, however, it wasn’t the fact that he was different per se, but that he had characteristics that aligned him with Jesus. Also, the woman caught in adultery is not the scapegoat, she is a weapon against Jesus, who is the scapegoat. One can get a little too carried away with the scapegoat analysis, and read it onto everything.
Good day, Marilyn. What makes "the woman caught in adultery" (Jn. 8:1-11) a scapegoat is the fact that she alone is brought before Jesus by the (male) "scribes and Pharisees," who "made her stand in front of everyone." Since it takes two to commit adultery, one should ask: Where was the man? Why was he not also brought before Jesus?
In the story, the woman--and the woman alone--is being held responsible for, say, "the harm done to the institute of marriage in the community."
A few years ago, the movie "The Stoning of Soraya M" (2008) portrayed the scapegoating of a Muslim woman under the cover of the sharia laws against sexual sin: but the sin was the husband's (who lusted after another woman), not his wife's. But the wife had no recourse for justice; she died an innocent woman.
@@frankattanucci6748 The reasons I do not think this is a case of scapegoating are: 1) there is no reason to think she is innocent, 2) it was not Jewish practice to stone people caught in adultery at the time of Jesus-divorce was, 3) they brought her to Jesus, rather than simply going ahead with the stoning. Jesus would not have been the proper authority. They were trying to trap him and were using her adultery as a pretext. It may have been unjust of them to just bring the woman. That is probably Jesus’ point in telling them that whoever has no sin should cast the first stone. But I don’t think it’s proper to call it scapegoating.
@@marilynmelzian7370 Thanks for the reply.
1) I am not sure if innocence is a necessary condition for a person (or group) to be designated a scapegoat. What is essential is the (temporary) peace that follows from the society's coming together to "designate and sacrifice" the scapegoat.
2) I agree: it was not necessarily the case that the "scribes and Pharisees" were ever intent on stoning the woman. Their question to Jesus, "In the law, Moses ordered such women to be stoned. What do you have to say about the case?" The gospel text allows for this possibility, for it indicates their motive: "They were posing this question to trap him, so that they could have something to accuse him of."
So the question becomes: Trap him [Jesus] in what? My sense: They were hoping to trap Jesus in speech. For example, if Jesus (who perhaps had acquired a reputation for being merciful), directly abrogated the law of Moses, He would, in effect, be declaring Himself to be above the law of Moses (see Mt. 12:41-42 and Jn. 1:17). On the other hand, if Jesus agreed that the woman should be stoned, then He could be accused of "heartless rigorism" (and denounced to the people on those grounds).
3) To my understanding, Jesus's response: "Let the man among you who has no sin be the first to cast a stone at her," strikes at the heart of the scapegoat mechanism: which requires that the crowd/society look upon the "designated other/scapegoat" as being "the cause for all that ails them", rather than looking within and (perhaps) finding the cause there.
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Is it possible to read this talk instead of listening to it? Much easier for me to find time to read. Thank you.
“St. Bernadette you’re playing with fire. “
is there any correlation to this topic with the "scapegoat" in the Old Testament? And if/how Christ is a kind of scapegoat that that was foreshadowing?
It would be lovely to hear a biblical history professor on the show, maybe bring some badly needed reality to the process.
Yes, as lovely as the theology and poetry are, you need history to ground it
Do you men on this topic? Because they are shows with historians on this podcast.
i wanted this to go on and on. i am usually the scapegoat. i dont know what i do to cause it. i think its because im weird and naive.
Keep on shining !
Sweetheart, God bless you 🌱
Same here also, how are you doing today?
I am different, too. I keep trying to look to the Lord for strength. Bless you 🙏.
Always
Got it
Pontius Pilate's dream from Jesus Christ Superstar:
"I dreamed I met Galilean, a most amazing man.
He had that look you very rarely find: the haunting, hunted kind.
I asked him to say what had happened, how it all began. I asked again, he never said a word, as if he hadn't heard.
And next the room was full of wild and angry men. They seemed to hate this man. They fell on him and then they disappeared again.
Then I saw thousands of millions crying for this man. And then I heard them mentioning my name....and leaving me the blame.
You remember Relevation chapter no 7vers9read God every one people saved in the name of Jesus Christ 🙏
Shakespeare was 6 different writers or more? Do reasearch father?
What about toxic unbelieving mother in laws creating turmoil in a family. It’s observable…it’s not mere scapegoating… 😢
What about toxic believing mother in law's creating turmoil in a family. It's observable... it's not mere scapegoating...😢
@@downenout8705 yes. both/and
Are you saying we are not individuals??
This makes me think of the discrimination against immigrants. They get blamed for so many things in our society. God says we should treat immigrants as our siblings, as we are all children of our One Father. I believe that our government needs to be better planning to assist integration of immigrants.
This doesnt make sense to me. So there are not individuals or groups that cause issues? Theres a person or a group causing children, at least encouraging, to commit horrible sin should they not be dealt with?
To say that desire is 'hardly ever straight-forward' is totally wrong. Many of us could not care less what others want but have our own very personal and independent ambitions and wants.
Personally, while everybody drinks coffee and beer, i want neither, thank you. Everybody wants a house, i don't. I became a medical doctor because that is what i wanted since i first developed a brain. I have visited Yemen, and Libia, South Africa, Iran, Iraq, places nobody wants to go to, simply because that is my own independent and non-mimetic desire.
By the same token, neither my brother nor my best friends pursue or buy things because others are doing it, but rather because of the intrinsic qualities of the object alone.
And the fact that some of us have minds of our own is evidenced by this very bishop in his own example: toddler A wants the object toddler B picked. In other words, toddler B has a mind of his own and his desire is not 'mimetic'.
So this talk applies only to a certain segment of the population ... and surely, mostly to the females.
The problem with the Catholic church... is the fans... who could believe these people after all what they have done over centuries
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In the woman taken in adultery story, it is curious the man she was caught with was also accused.
@@russellmiles2861 Isn't adultery a capital offense in the Bible? Can you support your statement the Hebrews did not practice capital punishment at the time? How did Jesus criticize the woman? And in saying to her, "Go, and sin no more." he was acknowledging she had sinned.
@@russellmiles2861 Recall two incidents found in Exodus. When Moses found some of the Hebrews worshipping a golden calf 3,000 were put to the sword. Then a man was seen picking up sticks on the Sabbath. He was taken outside the camp and stoned to death.
And the offenses listed as capital offenses are there, whether or not the sentence was often carried out. As to the woman taken in adultery, it is not the act of sex which is condemned, but the fact of adultery. We may consider sex a private concern. The Bible has a rather different view.
A common enemy.
The deceiver comes to steal, rob, & destroy
In the Bible, a scapegoat is one of a pair of kid goats that is released into the wilderness, taking with it all sins and impurities, while the other is sacrificed. The concept first appears in the Book of Leviticus, in which a goat is designated to be cast into the desert to carry away the sins of the community.-- Google
How about Jordan Peterson as scapegoat. Can we help?
Not all kids are like that. Some share??