Why Don't Movie Stars Sell Tickets Anymore? Why Are Franchises & IP King Now?
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- Why Don't Movie Stars Sell Tickets Anymore? Why Are Franchises & IP King Now?
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Movie stars don't exist anymore because there's no mystery surrounding them anymore
Social Media is a big factor to it
No it’s because there’s too many
My initial reaction was to say that's not it but the more I think about it the more it becomes a factor
That is one big reason, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Clint Eastwood, Jack Nicholson and others just had this cool mystery to them like you said. We didn't have to hear what they thought every f@@@ing day on Twitter or watch them give 57 interviews for the same movie.
It really is that simple
The older I get the more I care about writing and direction. I didn’t know a soul in Godzilla Minus One yet it was the best film last year.
My favorite movie of last year was Dumb Money. It had a cast I really like (Dano, Rogen, Stan, etc). Maybe I was drawn to the movie because of that, but I truly like it as my favorite due to quality.
I think the Pandemic was the worst thing to happen to the movies industry cause it forced people to stay inside and find other ways to entertain themselves and watch movies on streaming. Now most people lost interest in going to the theaters unless its really a big blockbuster and the word of mouth is really good
There’s a lot more than that😂👍 someone like my dad won’t support hollywood and the movies just been shit.. there’s a fan film “Logan the wolf” and it’s better than 90% of what hollywood has made😬 🙈 and at the time he uploaded the video he only had 6k subscribers jus sayin highly recommend if anyone reading this comment and hasn’t seen it
@@chrisszostek6700 That's another thing. Fans are starting to make stuff just as good if not better than Hollywood
Hollywood movies started going to s@it by the late 2000s.
@@Mickey-1994 2016-2024 movies been mediocre to as
Simple answer, they keep milking the same gimmick over and over and over again. We’re not dumb enough to truly believe that the next F&F movie will be a masterpiece just because of the stars. The novelty is outdated.
Yep & with a franchise like F&F you know what you're in for & if you like the over the top action, crazy stunts & such you enjoy it. Hence why that franchise is so successful it gives fans what they come for.
@@willstylz5021 indeed
Tom Cruise is basically the last movie star 🌟
I agree with what Sean said. Also, social media is a huge reason we don't show up for the stars alone. There's no mystery behind them. Especially when they go ape-sh*t over politics.
Whicu politics?
Cruise and Leo are probably the only actors that could really sell a movie just because they're in it at this point. There're some directors that also have that influence like Quentin, Nolan, I would still say Spielberg and Eastwood can get people to the theater most of the time.
I’ll still go see a movie just because Will Smith is in.
Margot Robbie movies usually bomb(Amsterdam, The Suicide Squad, Babylon). Same goes for Brad Pitt and if Leonardo De Caprio wasn’t only in Scorsese and Tarantino movies he would probably be the same. Tom Cruise is the last real star and even he had some box office stinkers like The Mummy and The latest Mission Impossible.
Great vid Sean!
If anything I’d say directors or an ensemble cast can sell movies more than one actor nowadays. Look at films like Oppenheimer with having Nolan’s name attached and then the ensemble cast he brought in, or even Dune with Villeneuve and the cast he got. People feel more confident with hearing a talented filmmaker bringing together a cast that you know will bring their A game more than just an actor or actress being apart of some big IP.
"Dune" *was* based on an I.P. though. It's not the most popular book on the planet and I'm sure that, as you said, audiences were drawn to the names attached to the movie. I'm saying that it's not the best example for this conversation.
It also annoys me when people say there’s only sequels nowadays and no originals 🙄. A24, Neon and other indie distributors release a ton of original work all the time that are great, it’s just the average movie goer doesn’t bother to watch them. So really the audience has no one else to blame but themselves on that front.
For me, it's directors that sell movies. If I know someone like Christopher Nolan, Quentin Tarantino, Taika Waititi, or Edgar Wright is coming out with a movie, I'll be there day 1.
This is why I loved once upon a Time in Hollywood’s meaning that everyone seem to just miss. Rick Dalton is a character that’s struggling between Hollywood changing and if he doesn’t make a career change immediately for him himself, he’s gonna be left behind. Rick decided to do the films. He did not want to do it all nor did he like them, but it’s either that or let Hollywood forget about you forever.
Actors right now are struggling on what to do for survival to stay reverent in the spotlight. If you have to do things like stay in front of the spotlight with a very popular IP to stay relevant, then that’s what you have to do for survival. Everyone was saying Margot Robbie is no longer a star, but the moment she did Barbie and it made $1 billion at the box office.
Is all the proof that you need for survival. If you’re tied in with a very popular franchise, you have better luck now. 😞
Quentin's point would also be correct here, Barbie didn't make a billion because people cared about Margot Robbie. It's based off the most iconic girls toy of all time. It was going to be a hit no matter what. Transformer movies are also terrible but most of them have made a billion dollars.
Cruise, Keanu, Pitt, Clooney, Denzel, Stallone, Dicaprio, Jolie and Dwayne are the only ones I can think of that are still currently active where if they headlined an original (non-IP) studio picture that was aggressively marketed, could still draw a massive opening weekend.
It's a shame because they used to make such a variety of different movies with interesting settings and themes because it was guaranteed to sell if attached to the right actor. Nowiys all about the same big franchise doing the same garbage on repeat because they're selling the brand not the actor who can adapt to anything.
I think we're in an age where a great actor being in a movie doesn't mean that the movie is great.
That has kind of fallen to the director. We are in age where people care A LOT more about who's directing a movie. Directors are the new Movie Stars. To the point where, Oppenheimer made close to $1 Billion, purely based on it being a movie made by Christopher Nolan, tackling an interesting story of history.
Oppenheimer made that much money because of Nolan, not Cillian Murphy or RDJ. (Despite how good of a performance they had in the movie).
I wonder when actors will start getting pay cuts. As you said, it’s just not worth it to pay them so much anymore when their name alone won’t sell tickets like stars used to. It’ll be interesting to see how the next generation of movie actors behaves when they have to live like normal people, making a normal income. I wonder if we’ll hear them lecture us about all the things we’re doing that’s supposedly killing the planet and who we should and shouldn’t vote for, when they realize their voice and their personas matter less and less as the years go on.
The only movie star left is Tom Cruise.
No not even, the mummy flopped hard a couple years back and just last year he had one of the biggest bombs of the year with MI7. Just because Top Gun Maverick did good doesn’t mean he’s a draw, that IP was the draw.
@@turtlesnail9824 mi7 still made almost 600M at the box office it flopped cuz it's budget was to high, and the mummy flopped cuz it was a bad movie I agree with you on that one, but Tom cruise still has so many non franchise film hits (I'm not sure if he has the most but he still has a lot). He is still quite a bankable star with his own brand image.
@@turtlesnail9824wow two films that didn’t preform amazing and only one example of one that did you’re pretty biased dude showing your hate
@@raidersofsteak2227 man I like Cruise MI Fallout was my favorite movie that year, it’s just facts.
@@turtlesnail9824it’s unfortunate for MI7 that it really only got a week to itself because of Barbenheimer
I think the main problem is that celebrities now say so much stupid stuff in interviews to seem progressive like Brie Larson and Rachel Zegler with Snow White that people got tired and annoyed of such media persons. I don't even mention nice people like Ezra Miller and Amber Heard. After them, I am not surprised to see the term "movie star" being worn out nowadays
The less of something there is the more valuable one is. That’s why stars aren’t a factor anymore. There’s too many so none stand out.
Ok, I honestly don’t know for sure, but my question is about the consistency. IP is good when the fans know what to expect from the name. Is that no longer a thing with movie stars because they are looking for (or getting) more range in their roles?
Patrick Willems did about an hour long deep dive on this about 5-6 months ago about the Death of the Movie Star being to blame for the death of cinema.
You listing the “Will Ferrell as” examples reminded me of a South Park fake trailer they did about Rob Schneider being a carrot when he had his turning that as a giggolo, an animal and a hot chick.
I think movies stars exist but in conjunction with IPs. Sony wouldn’t agree to make Uncharted unless it had Tom Holland and Mark Wahlberg in it. They also would never agree to make an original adventure movie with those two actors unless it was attached to a known successful brand. Having both big stars and a big ip is what studios want right now, although it’s clearly not what most people want since Uncharted was not a popular movie lol
That was a very weird case, because it felt like those 2 characters were re-tooled to fit those 2 actors.
@@VicenteTorresAliasVits true, but it happens a lot. Barbie wouldn’t be a billion dollar movie without Margot Robbie and Ryan Gosling
Well because people are still recovering from 2020
Its just not the stars time. Like many other things, the movie biz goes in cycles. Depending on the era, the studios had their time, as did directors, as did stars. The big IPs have shined recently because they are pure spectacle. Larger than life if you will. But as alot of that is falling to the wayside, we also are coming back around to certain directors and studios being reliable. May not be selling the most tickets, but they produce a profit. The days of the movie star will eventually come back around.
I still think there are a few movie stars left. But honestly I’d say directors are the draws now
Movie stars don't sell tickets because the information about them is available thanks to the internet. So we can find out all the good and bad(always bad) news about them as individuals. I dissagree about the franchises are making money. Most of the big franchises lost money in 2023: Ant-Man 3, Fast X, MI Dead Reckoning, etc. Apart from 2 exceptions like Across The Spiderverse & Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3. That's it. The ones that made the most money are Barbie, Oppenheimer, & Super Mario Bros Movie. I think it's more about the mentality of an individual and picking which movie is a must see in theaters. While others he can wait to drop on vod. Just look at how many movies have droped on vod after their theatrical release. The Fall Guy droped on vod while the movie is still playing in theaters.
They're still stars in Hollywood that can sell tickets based off there name alone. PPl like Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, Leo Di Caprio, Jason Statham, The Rock, Sandra Bullock & others can peek fans interest by just being in a movie. Franchises & IP's have built in trust, reliability & familiarity with audiences so it's always an easier sell
In my opinion, the era of actors having their own genres is gone, because actors want to avoid being typecasted (being cast as a similar character multiple movies), so in my opinion, that's why they're aren't a lot of actors who have their own genres (like Will Ferrell and Stallone)
Plus a lot of sleezy movie companies like to bring big names into their movies (looking at you Netflix) like to bring them into their low-quality movies as a marketing scheme, making the act of having a famous actor lose a little bit of guaranteed credibility
I don't even think Robert sadly is capable of that though. Look at dr do little. I honestly think its the brand these days. And the newest movie was because it was a nolan directed movie. But if you put Robert in a romance movie i doubt anyone would see it🤷♀️
Unless you’re Chris Pratt
That’s the point. The goodwill you earn from the wild popularity of your franchise character, a fraction of it gets passed on to your original movie characters.
He’s so cool
So really Hollywood created its own shift by moving to sequels and remakes.
Look at the American Godzilla franchise. They had a couple carryover actors like Millie Bobbie Brown for a couple movies and now there are no returning characters each film, or if they are they are no big name stars.
I would love to see a gilmore girls season ranking
I think it's the combination of both. We love Captain America because we know Chris Evans is so good at playing him. I'm worried about Sam's Captain America. Definitely doesn't hit the same, both literally and figuratively.
But that's a character following on the steps of another character; it's not a role being recast.
Just see the box office of Killers of the Flower Moon - featuring the 2 of the biggest so-called “movie stars”.
I honestly feel like Directors sell more tickets than actors now a days
Well here’s the thing movies shouldn’t sell tickets cuz certain actors are in it or a certain director is directing it rather they should sell if the movie is good and trailers are good and I think that how it should be cuz Chris is really good in the role of captain America and is a good actor but that doesn’t mean I’m gonna like all his films nor should I watch all his films I should only watch the one I’m interested in at least that’s how I see it
I disagree. The goodwill you earn from the wild popularity of your franchise character, a fraction of it gets passed on to your original movie characters. See the Chris Hemsworth or Chris Pratt movies. 😊
Because they are not movie stars, they are characters or products! Audiences dont want to see Chris Evans, for example, they want to see captain america
Some actors turn me off to them when they share their personal thoughts and opinions. I don’t need to know Robert De Niro hatred for trump, stay quiet and just act.
Don't forget, it started with Harry Potter and Lord of the rings
Not marvel
This is why when it comes to Scream, Sidney Prescott and Ghostface are the draw. Not Neve Campbell and Roger L Jackson.
Not even Sidney because Scream 6 made money without her.
The last decade or so have been a very depressing era for mainstream Hollywood movies. Also, I think Gen-Z and now Gen-Alpha didn't watch as many movies growing up because they focus more on social media people. I've a Gen-Z family member that watches the MCU and some other things, but I seriously doubt he could name 25 movies made before 2000. They need CGI movies, or they will look at their phones and check out within 30 minutes.
That's actually very sad☹️
It never really made sense for stars to sell tickets. I would argue actors while important are the least important part of movies compared to the writers or directors
Hollywood is just trash now. There are more bad movies than decent movies. No originality from anybody. Everything is fake and producers are just lazy. I say if you prioritize the writers and directors the movie will sell.
Where the hell have you been?!? Sequels were all the rage in the 80’s!!! Just look at the horror genre from the 80’s!!!! Look at Star Trek, Indiana Jones, Back To The Future, Superman, Rocky, Rambo, Ghostbusters, Gremlins, Karate Kid, etc. Stop acting like sequels didn’t come into play until the 21st Century. It just sounds dumb when you insinuate that!!!!
That is true to a point but the 80s, 90s and even 2000s were still creating new franchises and making a lot of middle budget movies in different genres. Things started to change in the 2010s with the decline of physical media and people going to the theater less overall unless it was a big blockbuster movie like the MCU or Star Wars. Hollywood has taken less chances in recent years and sadly a lot of the studios from the 70s, 80s and so on are gone. Disney, Warner Brothers and a few more own everything which is bad for all of us.