The Time Lord Victorious and the Power of Regression (One Last Scene)
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Hey everyone, hope you're all good! For the 'One Last Scene' series, I'm talking about the end of the Tenth Doctor's regression arc - an especially haunting scene to end one of my favourite arcs in Doctor Who. Enjoy the video, and make sure to check out other videos in the series!
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Hey guys! Hope you enjoy the video and be sure to check out the others. If you're into Doctor Who as well, let me know who's your favourite character or what's your favourite episode or any other thoughts you have - I'm really interested to see what you have to say!
@1:25 and i already have the conclusion : so this is why the 10th turned into a big baby (Smith) and then the weird kid Capaldi. Finally the dumb teen Jodie, and now the lively Ncuti !
oops : Capaldi did worse... with Clara and destroying the universe. So Tennant is charming compared to this fiery one. Jodie causing the Flux nd Tennant2 inviting the toymaker are close as well
I find it very telling that one of the darkest thing Ten did was saving people he shouldn't have
In that moment you saw a benevolent dictator. "They loved him and wept for it," or something like that.
Imagine the chaos that would ensue if Missy gave the Tenth Doctor the army of Cybermen at the end of his run, instead of the one already questioning their morality.
The Tenth Doctor at this point with an army of Cybermen is a scary idea. He's already got so much power that's not kept in check, so who knows what he'd do with the Cybermen?
Just had a thought - I can see Ten taking the army then ordering it to destroy itself, just to eradicate all the Cybermen. That would be really chilling to see unfold.
I feel like ten perfectly clicked with you. This is the perfect analysis of the Time Lord Victorious, well done.
Thanks, I'm glad you liked the video so much! Ten's journey is especially engrossing for me. The only think I don't like is how they treat his regeneration as a death- I prefer the idea that no matter the face, the Doctor is still the same person, which I would say only Matt Smith's run got right. What do you think?
@@thegamingcricketer7867 Not the original target, but I'd say regeneration is an ego death of sorts. Their personality disjuncts from their history, which creates dissonance. I like that different incarnations have different views on regeneration, because it's psychologically a deeply disturbing process that raises existential questions no matter how you slice it.
@thegamingcricketer7867 I feel like that is rectified in The Giggle. 14 corrects Donna by saying that it isn't dying whilst he expects that he is about to regenerate. That's something I really like about that episode. After initially not wanting to go, this time he accepted his fate. Obviously it wasn't necessary due to the bi-generation, but it shows his development as a character.
@@thegamingcricketer7867 Sorry for the late response but I wholeheartedly agree. I love the End of Time to death but it hurts me every time the Doctor says he's gonna die. He'll be fine and I believe that's what drove many people away from the show when Smith arrived
It also happened with Peter Capaldi’s doctor as well during Series 9
The difference is that Peter Capaldi didn't come across as a good person. He came across as a manipulative sociopath going through a redemption arc, not a genuinely well meaning man being pushed to the limit. Even when Clara died right in front of him, Peter Capaldi looked like he was just pissed off that his favourite toy was being broken. In the hands of a better actor like John Hurt, Seasons 8 and 9 would have been the best in New Who, maybe even the best in the entire show.
You're right, 12 does go through something very similar. But I think he only went through it because of his dynamic with Clara - they kept pushing each other, but couldn't stop each other from going too far, which is why they had to part ways. I think if 12 lost anyone other than Clara, he wouldn't have gone so far, which is why their relationship is so interesting.
Honestly I think the reason why 12 works just as much if not more than Ten and Eleven in his own respect is because he’s the doctor at a point in his life where he was just DONE with it all he had become completely apathetic to the Trauma that he’d both suffered and inadvertently caused.
Capaldi’s doctor was essentially the “I’m too old for this shit” doctor and just did what he wanted without caring about what anyone else said.
I can honestly see The 12th doctor getting so annoyed with ten and eleven because he views their trauma as beneath him as he’s been there and done that.
There is a reason why so many people myself included consider Capaldi to be the last TRUE doctor and that the story ended with him and don’t consider anything post twice upon a time as canon or even relevant. Because the master killing himself by shooting his future self in the back and the doctor going out in a blaze of glory was the perfect conclusion to both characters.
I know he's not perfect (who is, really?) but I love Ten. Even when is wrong. Maybe especially when he's wrong. I love how emotional he get, whether with sorrow, anger or happiness. I love how he cares. I just love him
David: got me into doctor who
Matt: got me to love Doctor who
Great video! I've always loved how Doctor Who is a continuing tragedy, and the 10th Doctor's story being about a man who starts off as bright-eyed and bushy-tailed with the whole universe before him, who slowly has everything important ripped from him and then betraying his own principles as he continues his downward spiral to be something absolutely extraordinary, and something only this show could have told this way. Love your analysis.
Thanks, it really means a lot! "A continuing tragedy" is a surprisingly fitting way to describe a show about an alien who travels time and space with his friends in a blue box. Doctor Who is such a unique show, I don't think another show could do what it does at is best!
I always liked the time lord victorious concept, to me it seemed like a new role the doctor could take up, deciding what to change and how his actions actually affected the outcome even if the overall end result stayed the same, and I would think that the captain being on earth could still encourage the future space travelers with stories of her experience, but her end should’ve actually broken the fix point because her end on earth would have not encouraged her descendants to travel the stars
Her decedents explored the stars because of the enigma of what happened to her on Mars; her body being found on Earth less than 24 hours after her last communication from Mars still leaves that exact same enigma.
I may be biased towards my favorite ever Doctor Who episode, but this was such a good pick for One Last Scene. It may not be the end of the show or even the 2009 specials, but it was such a good culmination of both New Who with the Time War and Doctor Who as a whole with the Doctor defying the Time Lords. I love that shot of Bowie Base One in flames because it's such a good parallel to New Who's depictions of Gallifrey and its destruction
Personally, I think the Tenth Doctor is a bit like Bruce Banner in a way. If you make him angry, it'll be the biggest and last mistake of your entire life. Just ask the Family of Blood and how the Doctor didn't even need to actually kill them yet he made them wish he did.
Definitely! You can say the same for the other portrayals, but the way David Tennant could go from the nicest man to the most threatening is incredible. When it comes to playing the angry Doctor, nobody's done it better than him.
Tennant is a truly amazing actor. In an interview I've seen someone asked him what he would have done if he wasn't an actor and he said nothing, it was only ever acting (words close to that, not an exact quote).
This slow breaking of the character was so powerful, in the context of the show, it makes his face coming back make a lot of sense (though on a rewatch it could of been played into more) I just wish we had more than just one episode of his fall to temptation (I know big finish probably has some, but just as part of the show itself)
This is what's gonna happen to Ncuti's Doctor since he started off so high and enjoying life.
They'll definitely put him through a lot, but I don't want him to give in. Based on what he says to David Tennant, The Doctor has finally realised he needs to slow down at times and come to terms with whatever happens. So hopefully going forward he responds to tragedy in a different, more mature way.
This should be the proper introduction of the Valeyard
i think in capaldi, everytime i think about the doctor
For me, I grew up with the eleventh and twelfth doctor, so Matt Smith's doctor is the one that I immediately think about when I think of the Doctor
Nicely put! I hadn't considered just how this scene impacted me so much in perspective of tens greater arc and personality. Great vid :)
Brilliant vid mate. Analysis was spot on 👍🏼 David Tennant was my favourite doctor. Was gutted when he regenerated. Thought Matt Smith did a good job to follow though - some big shoes to fill! Although mind you I was excited when DT returned. Wot did you think of the recent eps ?
Thanks a lot for watching! Ten's regeneration hit really hard for me too, so it was great to have him back. I liked the 60th specials, especially how weird the second one got. Bi-generation seems a bit strange to me, but I'm intrigued to see how they handle two doctors at the same time. What are your thoughts?
Brilliant video! Analysis was spot on ✨I’m going to have to rewatch the episode with this in mind. Keep up the videos! I’m excited for the next one
Thanks so much, I'm happy to hear you enjoyed it!
Just finished watching 9th and 10th Doctors' Series. This video helps me see and understand it all better. Wonderful!
Watch 11th
Thank you, I'm starting 11th now. Love it! Also ordered DVD 's of first Doctor's stories 1 - 3 and 4th Doctor's first season.
@1:25 and i already have the conclusion : so this is why the 10th turned into a big baby (Smith) and then the weird kid Capaldi. Finally the dumb teen Jodie, and now the lively Ncuti !
i prefer matt smith, far better actor than David, that is not to say David was bad. but matt, given his age when he became the doctor, he was simply talented from day one. the scene in which the Doctor showed, power/ emotion. Matt had a far more convincing performance.
Your analysis was great!
Glad you liked it!
sooooooo excellent ,id love more dives into doctor who
Ten was magnificent nine was fantastic but eleven is brilliant
That’s very true, a good man give in the new Doctor Who is not even the same doctor. The writingmade him a shell of what hewas especially with these Christmas specials
AB: Rescue us!
TD: Can't! History says you died on Mars and inspired the whole future of human space travel, making you too historically significant to save! ...although, come to think of it, that just means they never found the bodies! *[rescues everyone]*
TD: Welp, according to the Akashic Record, The Web of Time is preserved! Everything will be A-OK so long as you're all really quiet and everyone THINKS you died on Mars!
AB: Nuts to that! *[commits suicide at the Doctor]*
TD: Oh noez! *[pause while the Web of Time remains preserved even though the whole Mars mission is now in question, Capricorn One style]* Huh! I guess you were one of the little people after all!
They change the rules on what is acceptable to do or not to do with changing history constantly just to tell a specific narrative. Sometimes you get the bad paradox gargoyles coming around and taking people off, other times it is just impossible because it's been written, and yet every other time the Doctor can change history and it's fine, he just knows when and where it can be done safely. Thankfully I enjoy the show enough that I've gained the ability to just shrug and go with whatever excuse is being used at the time, I'm not normally that forgiving of most of the things I watch. There didn't seem to be any actual awful ramifications for the Doctor changing history on the Waters of Mars, other than the woman he saved was appalled that someone had that power, and the Doctor immediately turning into that villain trope where they want to reshape the universe to be better, and they of course know what is better for everyone. I think the character would have killed herself regardless if she ever found out about Time Lords in general and how they used to have unchallenged dominance over time and space. You will always have those people who are willing to go to extremes to prove they have agency even in the face of overwhelming powers. She must have been quite angry to wake up and find out her consciousness was being stored in Missy's afterlife device. Another time lord took away her agency, and in that situation, she probably couldn't do anything about it. Even though the Doctor had lost a lot, he has frequently lost a lot, everything generally. It seems that each version of the Doctor does not gain the mental fortitude that typically comes from experience, resetting with each face, making it a considerable weakness since it's been shown they continue to carry around the memories and guilt. Or they did. It seems our new biregenerated 15th Doctor may have the memories but none of the guilt. That's nice for him! Fourteen got a raw deal, he has to continue on with all the tiredness and guilt while 15 explores the universe with fresh eyes.
I dont want an army !
Well that s the trouble ! Yes You Do ! You always wanted one ! All those people suffering n the daleks camps ? Now you can save them ! Timelord Victorious !
Love David
Well-written and quite grim.
Out of curiousity, who IS your favourite Doctor? Great video, by the way.
Thanks for watching! Personally, Matt Smith is my favourite because he struck the balance between human and alien the best for me. I also think he played the Doctor at a really interesting time in his life - he's left behind his old face and his old life and is looking for a fresh start, without truly accepting the pain he's gone through. Smith did a good job of playing a Doctor who appeared youthful, but who was clearly weighed down by experience. But what about you, who's your favourite Doctor?
@@thegamingcricketer7867 For me, Capaldi. I loved his arc of becoming more kind and compassionate, his performance, his dynamics with his companions, how each of his three series felt distinct and yet a beginning, middle and end, and Heaven Sent is my favourite piece of television ever.
Capaldi is a great Doctor, and my respect for him went up the most in my last rewatch. His arc was really compelling and I adore Heaven Sent as well. His relationship with Clara is one of the most interesting dynamics in the show - a toxic love that nearly destroys them both. I'm also a big fan of his relationship with Missy and how genuinely he wants her to be better. It was such a great way to use the Master that I wasn't expecting!
@@thegamingcricketer7867 Agree 100%. At the same time, I love how 11 ends his arc by looking his full age, after being the old man in, a young man's body. Even though i think his era is a lot of ups and downs, as opposed to 12's era which always felt consistent to me, 11 is still one of my fave doctors.
Peter Capaldi actually felt more like a human to me. He felt like a sociopath pretending to be an alien to excuse his shitty behaviour. The Doctor died with Matt Smith. At best, Peter Capaldi was the Valeyard on a redemption arc. That would have been great if it was intentional but it wasn't. I never saw the ancient and powerful Time Lord in Peter Capaldi.
I could see the Time Lord in David Tennant. He didn't show him all the time but when he needed to get across an ancient alien, he could do it, most notably in this scene and when he punished the Family of Blood. Peter Capaldi always felt like he was TRYING to be threatening while David Tennant could just deliver a death stare without saying a word. When he got that look in his eyes, the Human was gone and the Time Lord had taken over. Matt Smith had a similar ability but while David Tennant conveyed the Time Lord through cold, empty eyes, Matt Smith conveyed the Time Lord through haunted, tired eyes that had seen far too much.
That is a really interesting take. I agree Capaldi's Doctor has sociopathic traits, but I wouldn't say he tries to excuse his behaviour, because like a sociopath he doesn't know it's wrong. By the end of his run, he definitely becomes a better person and to me that arc is quite compelling. But I would say the transition from Smith to Capaldi is a bit weird. At the start, it doesn't always feel like Capaldi was once Smith, whereas it was always clear to me that Smith was once Tennant.
@@thegamingcricketer7867 Peter Capaldi turned the Doctor into a completely different person. It was as if his entire previous regeneration cycle was utterly irrelevant and he hadn't learned anything at all after 12 lifetimes. That could only work if he was playing the Valeyard, who doesn't count as one of the Doctor's regenerations, or the War/9th Doctor, who was so focussed on winning the Time War that anything was permissible.
The scripts were written as a continuation, not a reboot. The decimation of the Doctor's core personality was almost completely Peter Capaldi's fault. He was trying so hard to be the new William Hartnell that he forgot he's at a completely different stage of the Doctor's life. The days of trying to crush cavemen skulls with rocks are long over. The morally questionable decisions were supposed to come across as either being for Clara Oswald's own good or for the overall good of the episode. Yet when Peter Capaldi as good as murdered Ross in Into The Dalek, he wasn't upset at all. "He was dead already, I was saving us" might as well have been said by an outright villain. Even Colin Baker had the decency to look disturbed when he accidentally pushed two men into acid. Peter Capaldi acted like Ross' death wasn't even an inconvenience, never mind something to be upset about.
Peter Capaldi's confusion about why Clara was rightfully calling him out in Kill The Moon made the Doctor look like he didn't even remember the end of the Time War. Stabbing a friend in the back is bad enough on its own but Sylvester McCoy did that a few times with Ace. The difference is that McCoy knew that he was being an arsehole. Peter Capaldi's staggering lack of empathy turned a morally complex situation into a situation where Clara would be justified if she slapped him into his next regeneration. The universe would be a better place without this Doctor because he had all the power but none of the morals or empathy. In other words, he was the Valeyard if Michael Jayston actually succeeded in stealing Colin Baker's regenerations. That would have been brilliant if not for one major problem. It wasn't in the scripts.
The simple fact is that the man who almost destroyed Gallifrey would absolutely understand why Clara was upset. If he didn't understand through the Doctor's core personality trait of simple empathy, he would understand by remembering his own experience. Peter Capaldi not only acted like he had no empathy at all but also couldn't even see the connection between Gallifrey being destroyed by the press of a button and Earth being destroyed by the press of a button. "That was me... respecting you," sounded like a pathetic excuse instead of the sincere explanation it was written to be.
Give that scene to John Hurt and it would have come across as the cruel to be kind situation that it was written to be. He would have completely understood why Clara was angry with him and delivered "That was me respecting you" calmly and with conviction, like a grandfather who's trying to teach his granddaughter a lesson. John Hurt would have made both sides of the argument seem equally valid.
Peter Capaldi was a bad casting choice. Steven Moffat overestimated him because he's a lifelong fan. On paper, Seasons 8 and 9 were excellent but Peter Capaldi dragged them down, so they would have failed if not for Clara, Missy, Davros and River. Even Ashildr and Danny did what the scripts were asking of them.
@@tomnorton4277I respectably disagree the 12th doctor to
Me always came across as the “I’m too old for this shit” doctor he’d become completely apathetic towards his trauma and the trauma he’d caused because he was just simply enjoying life notice the 12th doctor starts doing COOL stuff just for the sake of because it’s COOL and it’s FUN, he just wanted to enjoy life without any of the petty bullshit and baggage just for once.
12 takes a step back from alot of his previous incarnations character traits because they caused to much damage to both himself and others and he always tore himself up about it,
To be frank the Anti-Hero element of the doctor is always showcased but never actually embraced until Capaldi, not that he doesn’t develop because by the end of the Twelve doctor’s run He has come full circle and becomes much more heroic and actually comes to the realisation to why he does good things despite the fact he doesn’t consider himself as a good person just because “it’s Right it’s Decent”
@@michaelkean5969 I would have liked that character arc a lot more if John Hurt was doing it. On paper, it's brilliant. An old, tired Doctor in his final regeneration should have been gold. Give John Hurt the "Am I a good man?" character arc and he would have sold every word of it. Even if he didn't live long enough to reach Twice Upon A Time, retiring with River on Darrillium and keeping his regeneration a mystery would still be a fitting end. Maybe he never regenerated again since he had already pushing that power to its limits.
Peter Capaldi simply wasn't good enough. He doesn't have John Hurt's effortless screen-presence or instinctive understanding of where to draw the line between a grumpy man and a sociopath. He felt like the Valeyard. And honestly, showing the Valeyard on a redemption arc would have been great. There's just one problem. He wasn't intended to be in the story.
Every time Peter Capaldi tried to show a soft side, I felt like Clara's "why are you being nice?" Clara said that with a playful suspicion, like she wasn't expecting anything serious, but it underlines that I wouldn't trust Peter Capaldi's Doctor to care for a puppy, never mind a human being. I was always expecting an ulterior motive, a machiavellian scheme that he could use to pretend he was superior.
That came to a head during the "You let me down!" speech where the Doctor confirmed that he KNEW Clara would snap. He had a contingency plan that had to be arranged in advance - which means there's no chance he would trust the far less reliable River with his true name but that's getting off topic - then he INTENTIONALLY turned the whole situation and Clara's emotional and mental state into a twisted experiment to "see how far you would go". But did Peter Capaldi give the slightest hint that Clara's betrayal was partially his own fault? Hell no! He delivered the scene with such a holier-than-thou attitude that he seemed like he was taking grim satisfaction about rubbing it in Clara's face. Give the exact same scene to John Hurt and I would have believed the Doctor was actually sincere when he said;
"Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference?"
Peter Capaldi becoming "Mr President" at the end of his first season felt like an unintended piece of political commentary. Steven Moffat intended for that to be a "don't worry, the Doctor's got this" moment but because Peter Capaldi was playing it, I felt more like I was watching Palpatine's "It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy. I love the Republic".
By the time Peter Capaldi started to feel like he could do the Doctor right, I'd stopped caring. I didn't have the energy to hate him anymore so something worse happened. I became apathetic. At least when I hated Peter Capaldi, I still cared but after disconnecting from the Doctor to the point where I could no longer be bothered to be angry with him, I only watched for the other characters. This is why I'm not enamoured with Heaven Sent. Watching Peter Capaldi by himself for 45 minutes isn't something I have any interest in. The only reason that episode affected me at all was because Clara was dead and that was because of my personal attachment to her, not because the Doctor was grieving.
Speaking of Clara's death, Face The Raven broke my heart because I cared about her so much. However, that was DESPITE Peter Capaldi, not because of him. Honestly that can sum up most of his era. Incredible potential and, on paper, the best era in the revived series, apart from maybe Chris Ecclestone's, but it needed a better Doctor. Peter Capaldi's thin-lipped smile when he said "Don't go. Stay with me" made me feel like I was watching a man prepare to deliver a villainous speech. And when Clara actually died, he looked like a man who watched his puppy get put down, not a man who lost his best friend.
Hell Bent was the last Doctor Who episode that I loved. It was the last one that gave me a true and visceral emotional reaction. And it was because of Clara. Peter Capaldi delivered arguably his best performance but, as Heaven Sent already showed me, it doesn't mean anything without Clara. That's why I was both happy that she lived and heartbroken that she left. As far as I was concerned, Doctor Who lost its heart but at least she was alive.
I’m not gonna lie, I have no idea what’s going on in this comment section, to me Peter capaldi was the definitive doctor, if I were to imagine the perfect doctor it would be series 10 Peter capaldi, Tennant was good maybe even great but he did not feel like an alien, he played the doctor as an action hero, don’t get me wrong I love his doctor and his era but capaldi will always be my favourite
Why do you talk so slowww and what’s with the strange accent..? You fresh to the country or something 🤣🤣😭