The fantasy is sometimes better than the real thing. In Thorne's case, I am sure whatever Macy is imagining is better than Thorne sleeping with Darla and getting her pregnant.
"I became this desperate, path e tic creature." It's hilarious that even almost three years later, Macy _still_ hasn't forgiven the writers for how her character was written during those final months back in 2000. Remember how she was always meta compIaining about not being herself at the time?
This is another improvement on Taylor. In the Morocco storyline, Stephanie had to tell Taylor she wasn't acting like herself. But Macy has self-awareness. 😉
Interesting parallel between Deacon and Lorenzo in this episode - the backup boys who become angry because they know the woman they love really wants a Forrester bro instead.
Don’t get me wrong, Thorne doesn’t deserve Macy, but in each episode Lorenzo reveals a new behavior that basically makes him a textbook case of domestic abusers.
I agree! It has been like that from the start. Hiding newspapers from her. Emotionally bIackmaiIing her into staying in Italy. Trying to talk Adam out of letting her see her mother. Telling her what she can and can't sing. Waiting for her at home to ask where she's been. And Macy's passivity and acceptance of Lorenzo and Adam's controI over her also has these unsettling undertones.
@@annieo6527That episode last week where she comes home from seeing Sally and he’s waiting there for her in the dark, glaring at her, honestly made me shudder. The thing is that I don’t even think Brad realizes how badly the character comes off. He has Adam team up with Lorenzo to control Macy, and later in LA Sally promotes him too. When any parent would be very leery of a man who took advantage of their daughter at her weakest, and now gets mad when he can’t control her.
Def is not this Thorne singing. I miss the duets with the version of Thorne who had the most personality. Esp this song, which they (Macy and Thorne 2) both sang together.
@@TriniT21I was thinking how much more poignant these scenes, especially the lighthouse reunion, would have been if it had been with JT's Thorne who actually had all the romantic history with Macy.
The musical montage of "What's Forever For" in this episode is a way for the show to further increase Thorne and Macy's rooting value as a couple by making us remember their duets and their history from the years when JT was playing Thorne (because Macy and WH's Thorne don't really have a lot of useful romantic history - even the flashback in the montage was from the Brooke/Thorne storyline). The problem, of course, is that Thorne no longer sings, so they have to find ways to use the duets while working around the absence of JT's singing voice. The writers first did this by simply having Macy perform the duets as solo songs (Separate Lives, When I Fall In Love), but this time, they choose a different approach by using the _camerawork_ to create a "visual duet". Thorne and Macy aren't actually singing, but the camera follows the structure of the duet as they used to sing it, showing Thorne where he used to have a solo, Macy where she used to have a solo, and both of them where they used to sing together. Another connection to Thorne and Macy's duets is that this montage, where both of them remember each other, exists in the same kind of "shared musical reality" that sometimes happened when Thorne and Macy had their "non-realistic" duets (singing together in spite of being in different locations).
"Yeah, Thorne, everybody knows about the showing." Well, Darla, since it's Thorne, it's a fair assumption that nobody told him and he's only just now figuring out why they're all in Italy.😂
This episode does provide some further explanation as to why Adam and Lorenzo were so determined to keep Macy in Italy with them all this time. The men that were after Adam is only half the reason. The other half is Thorne, and what he did to Macy the last time they were together. When they are talking about keeping Macy safe, they aren't talking about what the mobsters might do to her, but what _Thorne_ might do to her, and what she might do to _herself_ if Thorne were to betray her again. But they aren't telling Macy that.
Now THAT makes the most sense. Even Darla says it.. The mob is after Adam not Macy. Macy was in LA the entire time Adam was hiding and not one mobster even thought to kidnap her to bring Adam out? Now, macy's explanation of how she sank to the bottom of herself bc of Thorne and not wanting to go back there makes sense.
@@TriniT21 and Adam has already had to save Macy's life _twice_ when she got to that low point - first after Grant's death when she tried to dr own herself, and then after the car expIosion. The real danger here is that Macy has the potential to self-destruct in emotionally stressful situations. And her relationship with Thorne has been nothing _but_ emotional stress for her.
@@annieo6527 her relationship was Thorne has emotionally distressing to *me* Loll. Yes I am watching her marriage to Grant now, and that's the marriage /relationship she always deserved.. But of course the writers couldn't just let Macy be happy and had to have Thorne sniffing around when he realised he could never have taylor, and then the whole lack of being able to have a baby, culminating in grant's d eath. I mean, how much sadness and loss they put Macy thru is ridiculous.
This was the first time we had to get used to Deacon without a goatee. He almost looks like a priest in that black clothing. I'm guessing he matured up very quick to win Brooke's heart.
So wrong because she isn't wearing heavy makeup. Actually Macy looks much older and not as pretty as she was. All the cast looks much older. I notice that usually the fair headed people tend to get older quicker especially if the have dry skin. If you have a close look at Nick and take away the blood hair he looks about 70
this is the stupidist story line. why can't macy go home? it has nothing to do with her it's about her dad. he can stay hidden. she was out and about before her fake death.
Right. They don't own anything there. And doesn't Ridge at least wonder why Deacon is in Portofino bothering Brooke and doesn't go after/ mention Bridgit who is there as well??? That man is so dense.
So why did these women dress like old school Hollywood actresses when going outside? Sheila Carter wore a headscarf and sunglasses when she met Massimo, Macy wore a headscarf just yesterday and now Darla does the same.
Not to defend Deacon or anything, but to be fair he only defended himself from Ridge attacking him first. If Ridge kept his hands to himself he would have had 2 working hands.
"I'm coming Thorne, I'm coming." (19:30) Impressive that Thorne can do that to a woman when he's not even there.
😂😂😂
The fantasy is sometimes better than the real thing.
In Thorne's case, I am sure whatever Macy is imagining is better than Thorne sleeping with Darla and getting her pregnant.
Most men can't even make a woman come when they're _there._ 😂
I love how all your posts were just dirty today. 😆
@@annieo6527 thorne doesn't get with darla till macy dies again then he marries darla in 2004 and has aly.
Deacon looks a LOT better just from shaving. Brooke should try something simple like that too, like shampooing.
"I became this desperate, path e tic creature." It's hilarious that even almost three years later, Macy _still_ hasn't forgiven the writers for how her character was written during those final months back in 2000. Remember how she was always meta compIaining about not being herself at the time?
This is another improvement on Taylor. In the Morocco storyline, Stephanie had to tell Taylor she wasn't acting like herself. But Macy has self-awareness. 😉
@@NewYorkNick0607 like we noticed in S13, there's a mini Stephanie hiding inside Macy.
I'm with Macy... I despise the way they wrote her character as well
Interesting parallel between Deacon and Lorenzo in this episode - the backup boys who become angry because they know the woman they love really wants a Forrester bro instead.
Great parallel!
Good catch.
And interesting that the back up boys both were desperately "in love" with Brooke
@TriniT21 but most of the men have in love with Brooke ( not believable IRL but this is storyland)
Don’t get me wrong, Thorne doesn’t deserve Macy, but in each episode Lorenzo reveals a new behavior that basically makes him a textbook case of domestic abusers.
Ty!! I dont trust him. I havent from the start.
I agree! It has been like that from the start. Hiding newspapers from her. Emotionally bIackmaiIing her into staying in Italy. Trying to talk Adam out of letting her see her mother. Telling her what she can and can't sing. Waiting for her at home to ask where she's been.
And Macy's passivity and acceptance of Lorenzo and Adam's controI over her also has these unsettling undertones.
Lorenzo has reminded me of obssessed Omar from the start.
If only he had money he'd build a sound proof room and lock Macy in it.
@@annieo6527That episode last week where she comes home from seeing Sally and he’s waiting there for her in the dark, glaring at her, honestly made me shudder.
The thing is that I don’t even think Brad realizes how badly the character comes off. He has Adam team up with Lorenzo to control Macy, and later in LA Sally promotes him too. When any parent would be very leery of a man who took advantage of their daughter at her weakest, and now gets mad when he can’t control her.
Well done Winsor you did a great job of your singing debut. We miss the duets between Jeff and Macy. ❤❤
The singer is Michael Martin Murphey.
Def is not this Thorne singing. I miss the duets with the version of Thorne who had the most personality. Esp this song, which they (Macy and Thorne 2) both sang together.
@@TriniT21I was thinking how much more poignant these scenes, especially the lighthouse reunion, would have been if it had been with JT's Thorne who actually had all the romantic history with Macy.
Schae is beautiful in tha dress. Great shape, beautiful shoulders.
ABSOLUTELY! Such a natural AND versatile beauty ... and a pretty darn good actress too ☺
Yup. She looks great
@@babs4848 Darla is so underrated! ♥️
The musical montage of "What's Forever For" in this episode is a way for the show to further increase Thorne and Macy's rooting value as a couple by making us remember their duets and their history from the years when JT was playing Thorne (because Macy and WH's Thorne don't really have a lot of useful romantic history - even the flashback in the montage was from the Brooke/Thorne storyline). The problem, of course, is that Thorne no longer sings, so they have to find ways to use the duets while working around the absence of JT's singing voice.
The writers first did this by simply having Macy perform the duets as solo songs (Separate Lives, When I Fall In Love), but this time, they choose a different approach by using the _camerawork_ to create a "visual duet". Thorne and Macy aren't actually singing, but the camera follows the structure of the duet as they used to sing it, showing Thorne where he used to have a solo, Macy where she used to have a solo, and both of them where they used to sing together.
Another connection to Thorne and Macy's duets is that this montage, where both of them remember each other, exists in the same kind of "shared musical reality" that sometimes happened when Thorne and Macy had their "non-realistic" duets (singing together in spite of being in different locations).
"Yeah, Thorne, everybody knows about the showing."
Well, Darla, since it's Thorne, it's a fair assumption that nobody told him and he's only just now figuring out why they're all in Italy.😂
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
It is soooo plausible that Darla would know something that Thorne doesn't lol
Thumbnail: when you're told you can't make People Magazine's 50 Most Beautiful People list but you CAN make the 50 Most Old Looking list.
This episode does provide some further explanation as to why Adam and Lorenzo were so determined to keep Macy in Italy with them all this time. The men that were after Adam is only half the reason. The other half is Thorne, and what he did to Macy the last time they were together.
When they are talking about keeping Macy safe, they aren't talking about what the mobsters might do to her, but what _Thorne_ might do to her, and what she might do to _herself_ if Thorne were to betray her again. But they aren't telling Macy that.
Thorne Betrayed macy.. In a blue up in his face.. And it wasn't the only time he did either
Now THAT makes the most sense. Even Darla says it.. The mob is after Adam not Macy.
Macy was in LA the entire time Adam was hiding and not one mobster even thought to kidnap her to bring Adam out?
Now, macy's explanation of how she sank to the bottom of herself bc of Thorne and not wanting to go back there makes sense.
@@TriniT21 and Adam has already had to save Macy's life _twice_ when she got to that low point - first after Grant's death when she tried to dr own herself, and then after the car expIosion. The real danger here is that Macy has the potential to self-destruct in emotionally stressful situations. And her relationship with Thorne has been nothing _but_ emotional stress for her.
@@annieo6527 her relationship was Thorne has emotionally distressing to *me*
Loll.
Yes I am watching her marriage to Grant now, and that's the marriage /relationship she always deserved.. But of course the writers couldn't just let Macy be happy and had to have Thorne sniffing around when he realised he could never have taylor, and then the whole lack of being able to have a baby, culminating in grant's d eath. I mean, how much sadness and loss they put Macy thru is ridiculous.
Ridge’s hair is awful!!!
It’s cool 😂
I just love Darla! Wish they would bring her back to life somehow!!
They've brought others from the dead why not her
@@larryfrazier5925 Darla is WAY BETTER Looking than Brooke and MUCH CLASSIER
Darla dies too?
@@DAVegas-yc8xq Sadly Yes
But they need to find a way to bring her back the way they have done with all the others
There's D I L F Adam again 😍🤗🔥
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Christmas was forgotten in 2002, just like 2001. Ironically I don't care for Christmas, but B&B used to.
This was the first time we had to get used to Deacon without a goatee. He almost looks like a priest in that black clothing. I'm guessing he matured up very quick to win Brooke's heart.
*snatch
Ridge: That’s for breaking my drawing hands 11:23
Adam was a good looking man.
Darla is a beauty and a good woman. did she ever have a major storyline other than when Taylor ran over her with the car which killed her?
I guess you could say her getting pregnant with Thorne's baby was a pretty big storyline.
When does Ridge find out about Hope's paternity?
This season, a few weeks after Italy I think.
U&ly Brooke. F a c e like cracked cement.
So wrong because she isn't wearing heavy makeup. Actually Macy looks much older and not as pretty as she was. All the cast looks much older. I notice that usually the fair headed people tend to get older quicker especially if the have dry skin. If you have a close look at Nick and take away the blood hair he looks about 70
Darla is just a year younger than Brooke. Both blondes
@@babs4848 Darla looks a lot younger than Brooke too. And Brooke during the Bill Spencer years looks really old and ragged.
this is the stupidist story line. why can't macy go home? it has nothing to do with her it's about her dad. he can stay hidden. she was out and about before her fake death.
I guess we’re supposed to think if she did went home it would make them go after her for Adam’s location.
@@lil_jon411 oh okay thank you
Why is Deacon agreeing to leave? Eric and ridge can’t MAKE him Portofino much less the hotel.
Right. They don't own anything there.
And doesn't Ridge at least wonder why Deacon is in Portofino bothering Brooke and doesn't go after/ mention Bridgit who is there as well???
That man is so dense.
Am I the only one who doesn't fully or at all trust Lorenzo? I think he works for the men who is after Macy's father.
Why is the thumbnail just a closeup of a big bowl of oatmeal?
Don't ruin oatmeal for me 😂🤣
People Magazine’s 50 Most Bland Foods
So they have Jeff Tracchia singing when Thorn is replaced? I hope they paid him He was a amazing Thorn/ loved his singing
That wasn’t his voice.
It is Michael Martin Murphey who recorded it in the 80s.
It sounds like Windsor Harmon was singing it , the one that plays Thorne .
@@annieo6527 Yes
I wanted to see deacons karate moves
So why did these women dress like old school Hollywood actresses when going outside? Sheila Carter wore a headscarf and sunglasses when she met Massimo, Macy wore a headscarf just yesterday and now Darla does the same.
They did not want to be recognized or followed.
Hope did the same went she followed Liam to Aspen and was trying to mask herself from the reporters.
so what these two are ruling Macy s life?
Deacon looks like he 5 h 1 t out a lot of extra weight around the same time Brooke 5 h 1 t out Hope.
Actually I think Brooke looks much better than Macy. Macy looks incredibly old since her come back.😢
Idont agree with that
@nancynelms6455
You need glasses. She looks nothing like the way she did. She also has a fringe covering her forehead probably hiding the wrinkles.
Why in the world is Deacon following Erica Senior's orders? 🥴
Right? Or Brooke's for that matter
What in the world is going on with the front of Thorne's hair
2003.
Ridge finally got even with Deacon for him, injuring his hand
Ridge didn’t have to get even he’s the one who started the fight and deacon defended himself
Ridge Has attacked Mini over the years. He should have a rap sheet filled with arrests for assault 😢😢 Deacon was the first 12 fight back
which miraclously healed and is working again out of nowhere.
Not to defend Deacon or anything, but to be fair he only defended himself from Ridge attacking him first. If Ridge kept his hands to himself he would have had 2 working hands.
@@TriniT21 i agree with you.
Christmas was forgotten in 2002, just like 2001. Ironically I don't care for Christmas, but B&B used to.