When i'm driving down a country road at 8pm after setting off in my wagon at 6am it'll always be a Honda Jazz crawling along at 20mph braking at the slightest of bends
@@mrcaboosevg6089 the worst feeling in the world is when your on a county lane rapidly approaching the back of a jazz. its like suddenly any fun you where having has gone and been replaced with utter depression
@@rhinocraft2594They are a bit limp on each other with the banter and the way it comes across.Its a well known fact my friend that the best comedians the country has ever had came from the north where the humour is always more focused precise and honed into to rip your friend another embarrassment arsehole when the opportunity arises.These 3 have known each other years the banter and jokes when they have them should be far better.Light hearted banter is great when its funny.Sometimes they have it a little in videos ive watched others not and this was one video that if they had it consistently it would have shown but it was very lacking and found wanting at times.I hope that kind of explains more of what i was talking about?? Either keep the video focused and serious and informative or totally turn left field and make it humorous dont try and do both as it doesnt work.But this one should have been better on the humour front between 3 guys that have known each other years.
Hes right the S2k is very overrated. MX5 you know what you are getting. (Note owned an S2000 not an MX5) I only imagine all S2k owners lie about how good they are to sell them on ;)
They feel gutless in comparison to the Miata because they have a much less aggressive final drive. The only time you can feel a noticeable performance difference would be on track where you can afford to keep it in the rev range for any notable amount of time. Engineering explained gives some pretty good information in his video on why he bought an MX-5 over an NSX. He compares the miata to his old supercharged S2K.
@@dean2226 You have to watch TheSlipAngle's videos. He breaks down the development story of the s2000 into very technical information and pretty much debunks every common criticism and highlights that every critic of the S2000 aren't really pushing the car hard enough.
@@bichplz4375 Не кажем да је лош. Добар је спортски ауто, и добро изгледа. Али по мени сви кабриолети су женски аутомобили. Јер жене воле да их гледају, и зато возе кабриолете. Када мушкарац вози кабриолет, мени делује као неки нарцис.
Tell me about it. Yeah I get the s14 color is meh, could be better, but that s14 well built. Seriously tho, a Nissan Cube over a drift car Nissan S14??
@NeedMoarRage.. it may look like it's over done but these cars were never made in the numbers to even make that possible. 90% of them are still in Japan, Haha. How many Nissan Silvia have you seen in real life? Now how many Nissan cubes, jukes, polos, golfs, etc have you seen or BMW m3 m5's Audi s3 s4 s5 etc The last Japanese car show I went to, so not even a normal car show, There was multiple rows in multiple sections of Nissan cubes and jukes and next was mx5's lol It's just Instagram culture that you're reacting to, mostly from the US, but that doesn't betray real life anywhere in Europe haha
I fucking love that all the popular car people like you guys and Jeremy Clarkson talk shit about the Chrysler Crossfire. It keeps their prices down and keeps them very, very underrated. You can get good ones for cheap, they're fairly easy to work on, and you can swap a Mercedes M113 quite easily, less than a few thousand $$$. For $10,000 you can have a RWD manual V8 that will rip Miatas to shreds. True say about the steering, but it's not quite as bad as you're making it out to be lol
That Audi with the “custom induction kit” 😂 It’s the cheapest universal cone filter off eBay on the standard intake pipe. Along with the back box delete and light up badge, this Audi has ‘eBay special’ written all over it. Oh and a cheap “race chip” to enhance that 160bhp 🤣
@18pluskiddo... Believe what you like, but torque is the enemy of a light car. awd is the only exception. this isn't an opinion it's facts. lol. Why do you think almost all race cars focus on peak power, linear power for predictable delivery. Why the old Honda vtecs make some of the best fwd cars.
@18pluskiddo... I own a 180sx and ae86 track cars, No Hondas... I just stated a fact, they're some of the best fwd drive cars ever made, because of the way they deliver power. Believe what you want, I couldn't careless... ua-cam.com/video/Dft2dfZf9yc/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/vu-Mq8N37UU/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/sQ716uZMAuY/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/9yvUkF6uLk8/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/VxbqU03j8qg/v-deo.html
Alex: "Feel free to roast away." You mean rust away, just like your overhyped underperforming needs to be engineswapped to even be recognised glorified shopping trolley?
7:02 The car is in very high demand and is picking up in value... “couldn’t care less” (Alex) I think he’s just jealous 😂 Say what you want but s14 are and all ways we’re cool!.
Yeah Silvia's are badass and updated abit will stand to even the most modern performance cars. Next he'll be saying the Skyline or RX7 is rubbish, lmao
Looks like Alex has never driven an S-chassis Nissan hard. The Lancia (in other color) is a beautiful big luxury car, everyone thinks that it's ugly, only because it has a Lancia badge. If the Lancia was a Rolls-Royce, Bentley or even Maybach, everyone would praise it and those inline 5 JTD engines are more reliable and durable to abuse than almost anything, they sound absolutely wonderful and they are very fast for their power, easy and reliable to tune too.
@Dee Jay... Best motoring ran an old tired S2000 with 147k on it on a short stage and it actually posted a faster time, Than the new civic type r and the magane RS and alot more modern cars overrated car that are considered fast...
I had a cheap lil honda jazz four years back, its quite a fun car, reliable especially if you've only spent pennies on it drives like a train, can hold its self in corners. you can flat pack the back seats too turn it into a sort of van/estate chuck a few blankets in the back you got a camper proper nimble lil banger.. but thats all it is.... a banger
He said "you're 19 and you live at home". Don't we all live at home? I mean that's what a home is. I know what he meant, I just thought it was funny:-)
£500 is about right for an after market cat converter on a Jazz as the list price is 18160-PWA-G02 CONVERTER COMP. £1,149.30 from Honda, and even with discount would expect a good £800 minimum
"The S2000 is one of the most overrated cars ever made" *Stops Video* *Unsubscribes* *Blocks Alex and Car Throttle on all social media* *Burns laptop* *Cuts ears off*
Ralf Schuhmacher(yes,Michaels Bro) drove one in Monaco.It can't have been that bad.There was almost limitless Cashflow in the family. They didn't buy crab
After many years of building great, innovative often legendary cars, what's happened to Lancia, over the last couple of decades, is very sad. As for the Crossfire, who the hell uses a reciculating ball steering system in this day and age. On a supposed sports car, it's especially daft!
"If a sigh was a car" - 100% Honda Jazz.
sigh because no other car of the class can compete with its superior chassisrigidity :P
When i'm driving down a country road at 8pm after setting off in my wagon at 6am it'll always be a Honda Jazz crawling along at 20mph braking at the slightest of bends
No, no. I present to you Toyota Yaris Automatic.
@@mrcaboosevg6089 the worst feeling in the world is when your on a county lane rapidly approaching the back of a jazz. its like suddenly any fun you where having has gone and been replaced with utter depression
By far the best roast in the whole series
I sometimes wonder if Alex really is a car guy, or just a miata guy
They’re roasting each other more than the cars
Kinda like the Grand Tour trio.
They are shit roasts though.
the three southern softies need to learn what banter and humour is lol They are about as funny as a fire at a kids orphanage between them
@@rampantram1 grow up . why 'southern softies'
@@rhinocraft2594They are a bit limp on each other with the banter and the way it comes across.Its a well known fact my friend that the best comedians the country has ever had came from the north where the humour is always more focused precise and honed into to rip your friend another embarrassment arsehole when the opportunity arises.These 3 have known each other years the banter and jokes when they have them should be far better.Light hearted banter is great when its funny.Sometimes they have it a little in videos ive watched others not and this was one video that if they had it consistently it would have shown but it was very lacking and found wanting at times.I hope that kind of explains more of what i was talking about?? Either keep the video focused and serious and informative or totally turn left field and make it humorous dont try and do both as it doesnt work.But this one should have been better on the humour front between 3 guys that have known each other years.
"Honda S2k is overrated, it felt gutless" *cough* MX5 *Cough*
Hes right the S2k is very overrated. MX5 you know what you are getting. (Note owned an S2000 not an MX5) I only imagine all S2k owners lie about how good they are to sell them on ;)
They feel gutless in comparison to the Miata because they have a much less aggressive final drive. The only time you can feel a noticeable performance difference would be on track where you can afford to keep it in the rev range for any notable amount of time. Engineering explained gives some pretty good information in his video on why he bought an MX-5 over an NSX. He compares the miata to his old supercharged S2K.
@@logiarplayz9029 Honestly, my 01 3.0L outback felt less gutless than an s2k. But I did enjoy how light the thing felt.
@@emans4seam The old H6 had 210 Lb-Ft or torque vs the S2K's 153 so might explain that.
@@dean2226 You have to watch TheSlipAngle's videos. He breaks down the development story of the s2000 into very technical information and pretty much debunks every common criticism and highlights that every critic of the S2000 aren't really pushing the car hard enough.
Who wants a second episode?
Me
Me
Yes. Roast my a4
🙋🏼
how can i send you pictures of my definitely MG and not a rover?
The BROWN Lancia would be perfect for James May 😂
Jeremy would have it if you told him it was sunset orange
The only car perfect for mr. Slow is the dacia sandero.
@@z-trip5457 oh bad news! the Dacia Sandero, its delayed..
@@devinkolka8002 oh......now, british motori-
Yeah brown on brown instead of just brown
“The only thing I’ve ever roasted is a chicken” -Ethan 2020-
lol
facts
Ethan is a younger James May
And? Chicken
He roasted himself
Alex: ‘I think this is the one of the most overrated cars ever made’
Drives a mx5 😂
@Dee Jay Girly cars.
@@DashCamSerbia dobar je mx5 bar meni
Well yes. I haven't seen MX(s having such high prices as S2000s do, they're probably cool but way overpriced because overrated.
@@bichplz4375 Не кажем да је лош. Добар је спортски ауто, и добро изгледа. Али по мени сви кабриолети су женски аутомобили. Јер жене воле да их гледају, и зато возе кабриолете. Када мушкарац вози кабриолет, мени делује као неки нарцис.
@@DashCamSerbia pa si vidio c63 cabrolet i m3 cabriolet to ti sigurno nebi zene vozile
"I thought it was a Skyline"
I thought these were supposed to be roasts, not compliments
thats neither nor a compliment nor a insult.
someone get Shane and Ryan, we need some Roast-mortem here
I'm seriously thinking Ethan is the main brain behind this show but when filming, he goes into character of someone who knows nothing about cars ...
Yes, you can tell by his smirk at 10:16. I don't think he's actually that clueless :)
he looks like a unit of a mechanic, btec nonce
I was thinking about that
no he genuinely is not a car person
Alex is the head of video at car throttle and Ethan is the head of production lol
Phil looks like a car that a "cool dad" would want to get to show his kids he is cool
really a minecraft profile picture?
@@waengwang5313 really a default google image?
@Cage chat Gotta have a name for your car, if you don't then you don't love it and you might as well drive it off a cliff
@@matty5690 bruh
Alex: The Nissan cube has the potential to be a cool car.
Also Alex: I couldn't care less for s14's.
¿What?
This guy got very strange taste..
Tell me about it. Yeah I get the s14 color is meh, could be better, but that s14 well built. Seriously tho, a Nissan Cube over a drift car Nissan S14??
Not even in the same category, the Cube is a hamster cage not a car.
@@talictdf4757 the Cube is so peculiar and unusual it kinda makes it cool. The s14 just looks like a wannabe drift car that's so overdone these days.
@NeedMoarRage.. it may look like it's over done but these cars were never made in the numbers to even make that possible.
90% of them are still in Japan, Haha. How many Nissan Silvia have you seen in real life? Now how many Nissan cubes, jukes, polos, golfs, etc have you seen or BMW m3 m5's Audi s3 s4 s5 etc
The last Japanese car show I went to, so not even a normal car show, There was multiple rows in multiple sections of Nissan cubes and jukes and next was mx5's lol
It's just Instagram culture that you're reacting to, mostly from the US, but that doesn't betray real life anywhere in Europe haha
This man really said that the S2K is soulless..
And it is...
Every Japanese car is souless if you ask me
@@Gingerzane1 lol nah
They are. Gobs of horsepower but they have no torque. Literally. A BRZ/86 has a better torque curve than that car does
Obviously the Miata fanboy is going to be biased against an S2000
alex wouldn't call the s2k overrated if he didn't have a miata lmao
Imagine getting your car roasted, only for them to buy you a sportscar afterwards
SO YOUR A CAR GUY?
Are you an omnipresent god
oooh... a sports car
u are youtube itself
WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE. You either have the same interests as me or you literally replay to every video on youtube.
I fucking love that all the popular car people like you guys and Jeremy Clarkson talk shit about the Chrysler Crossfire. It keeps their prices down and keeps them very, very underrated. You can get good ones for cheap, they're fairly easy to work on, and you can swap a Mercedes M113 quite easily, less than a few thousand $$$. For $10,000 you can have a RWD manual V8 that will rip Miatas to shreds. True say about the steering, but it's not quite as bad as you're making it out to be lol
the s14 was absolutely gorgeous
Mar3K1996 it’s a sweet build 100%.. but gorgeous? A 250 GT California is gorgeous
Frfr ❤️
I think Ethan's lack of car guy knowledge makes this even funnier XD i loved his comments on some of that
That Audi with the “custom induction kit” 😂 It’s the cheapest universal cone filter off eBay on the standard intake pipe. Along with the back box delete and light up badge, this Audi has ‘eBay special’ written all over it. Oh and a cheap “race chip” to enhance that 160bhp 🤣
probably the most uncool car along with the Wagon R. That Audi is the epitome of a badge snob 😂
Alex doesn't like S-chassis because they beat him in every type of race XD
I’m so happy that Gingium’s car was on here. 100% Molly (the smaller one next to the rally Miata) is better than Phil. 100%
Molly is cool but - c'mon you're talking about Phil you can't say things like that.
Phil is better
The spool bus beats both of them
Nah... Fred the Focus. Only OG’s know
@@yusufkphotos I'm not an OG :( I only started watching when he started the spool bus. I'm planning to watch all his old videos too
So that's why Alex's hair is so well trimmed despite the lock down. He's a hair-dresser!
Looool miata joke.
How about we roast old Phil. When he had rust 😂😂 jk
i wanted to roast old phill but then i reilised i had a picture of a old rusty skip not phill
Sees an intake and asks “is that a turbo?” Lmaooo
Woop woop, big up Shepherd & Flock roundabout - ideal for car spotting
I’ll have to visit some time, when the world isn’t under house arrest.
When you can’t turbo a miata properly so you just get your friend to engine swap instead...
Yeah but it was the wrong engine. The torque will just upset the balance of the car and balance is all in MX5 has
@@roknroller6052 Your comment did not age well lmao
@18pluskiddo... Believe what you like, but torque is the enemy of a light car. awd is the only exception. this isn't an opinion it's facts. lol. Why do you think almost all race cars focus on peak power, linear power for predictable delivery. Why the old Honda vtecs make some of the best fwd cars.
@@roknroller6052 found the Honda fanboi
@18pluskiddo... I own a 180sx and ae86 track cars, No Hondas... I just stated a fact, they're some of the best fwd drive cars ever made, because of the way they deliver power. Believe what you want, I couldn't careless...
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1:13, Looks like James May is in town....
Mr slow
Mr beige
@@ForTsz He objects to the beige.
*Captain Slow*
Alex: “guess how much Ethan spent on a catalytic converter”
Me: “500 pounds”
Ethan: “I spent 500 pounds on it”
Me: “wot”
Loved it did laugh when he said the s2000 was gutless, classic mx5 owner ;)
Is it contraversial that I absolutely love how the s14 looks? Not in that colour though. Gimme it in a metallic flake blue.
mike b with a lower wing that’s pointless
It's a bit over done for me, too much of an Instagram car...but yeah it's the second best car in the list the first being the 180sx type x
Its not the best s15 but ill take it
Alex: "Feel free to roast away."
You mean rust away, just like your overhyped underperforming needs to be engineswapped to even be recognised glorified shopping trolley?
Ouch...
Honestly hoping he read this
Haha
7:02
The car is in very high demand and is picking up in value... “couldn’t care less” (Alex) I think he’s just jealous 😂 Say what you want but s14 are and all ways we’re cool!.
I thought he was joking at first but it seems he actually hates s chassis.
Yeah Silvia's are badass and updated abit will stand to even the most modern performance cars. Next he'll be saying the Skyline or RX7 is rubbish, lmao
Me: Ooh, a nice car, its probably good
Alex: I drove one...
Me: Well, its probably bad
Looks like Alex has never driven an S-chassis Nissan hard. The Lancia (in other color) is a beautiful big luxury car, everyone thinks that it's ugly, only because it has a Lancia badge. If the Lancia was a Rolls-Royce, Bentley or even Maybach, everyone would praise it and those inline 5 JTD engines are more reliable and durable to abuse than almost anything, they sound absolutely wonderful and they are very fast for their power, easy and reliable to tune too.
its red
ethan:oh its a honda civic
"Have a figure in your mind of how much money you would spend to replace the cat on a Honda Jaz?"
Zero mate that figure is zero pounds sterling.
We need another one of these. Didn’t feel like 16 minutes at all. Well worth the watch lads..
Damn you need to drive another S2000 and this time actually get it past 6000rpm. One of the most soulful cars out there, the engine is everything!
Ethan: looks better than Phil
Alex: So you have chosen death
That Lexus is200 is best looking car on this list. Really cool looking.
Cheers
Second episode is needed, maybe a season!
@Car Throttle Love the normal content but this is actually the best. Please make this a fixture beyond lockdown.
This went from Roasting people’s cars to roasting they’re personality..lmfao
6:58 tbh that car looks sick af, if and only *IF* it has the performance to back it up it would be totally worth driving that beauty
Currently 400hp, but the turbo I have in it is enough for over 600 by raising the boost. Has forged internals aswell.
Phil: How to spend $30k+ on a car that is slower and less practical than most $30k new cars.
BullPlop11 Built not Brought Homie
Spending 30K on a new car is throwing money away!
@@georgegalpin7352, you got it 👊🏼
Tho older cars for that much are mostly more fun and alot less restricted and easier to work on
You guys are RUTHLESS
Was enjoying the video until you said the S2000 is over rated. Come on.
Well, it is a roast. They've got to make up something bad about the car
I don't know who's joking anymore
Yeah it's ridiculous the s2000 is not overrated, Almost no Japanese cars in the UK are overrated compared BMWs, VW's, Audis etc.
@Dee Jay... Best motoring ran an old tired S2000 with 147k on it on a short stage and it actually posted a faster time, Than the new civic type r and the magane RS and alot more modern cars overrated car that are considered fast...
I’m very insecure about my level of “automotive” knowledge, Ethan just makes me feel a LOT less insecure
1:49-Ethan-“I thought it was a skyline that made my day😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
A TRABANT UNIVERSAL!!! I LOVE THOSE CARS!!!
I’m guessing your 19 and haven’t got a girlfriend 😂😫
@@blenderfreaky I think most people live, by definition, at home...
@@blenderfreaky well there is not many other places you should be right now
This video was solid gold
2:02 "chopped" sticker :D
i wonder if the owner watches MCM :P
What about a what was your first car video ? Mine was a Shit Brown Allegro with beige velour interior.
The Lancia Thesis is actually really classy in that double color, I genuinely like it
Do you possess eyes mate?
Lancia Feces
It reminds me of the Lancia Thesis Unique, a concept version presented by Lancia. Very nice
I absolutely love the shade Ethan is throwing at Alex. Y'all are amazing folks. I love this channel.
"I think every Mk1 should have proper pop ups" - AMEN Alex 👏
What I’ve learnt from this video is that Ethan is an alien from an another galaxy.
I quite like my Giulietta 😔
It's been broken for 3 months out of the 8 I've owned it but that's not the point.
AndyB365 I’m with you. Mine was the one on the video. The QV is a blast to drive! 👍🏼
OMG Andy
Alex Whitehead yeah I don’t know what he was on about, my QV is one of the best cars i have ever had
14:28 I see that Caffeine and Machine Daikoku night! Glad to see it!
Lancia Feces? I can see the inspiration
Dudes, you have adjusted brilliantly to lock down. Well done!!
2:24 Aa angry neighbor throwing stuff over the fence? and shouting?
I had a cheap lil honda jazz four years back, its quite a fun car, reliable especially if you've only spent pennies on it drives like a train, can hold its self in corners.
you can flat pack the back seats too turn it into a sort of van/estate chuck a few blankets in the back you got a camper proper nimble lil banger.. but thats all it is.... a banger
Alex: It was made in East Communist Germany in 1984.
Jack: Sounds like you
He said "you're 19 and you live at home". Don't we all live at home? I mean that's what a home is.
I know what he meant, I just thought it was funny:-)
Ethan is trying so hard to be a car guy. Damn... He is learning, slowly...
Good luck ethan !
What a funny channel! Another gem. 😂👍
Jack: ‘This car looks like it’s smoked to many doinks’ My brain: Big doinks
More of these please.. The platform actually works really well and it's cut together great!! 👍👍👍
imagine spending around 25k on a rusty shit box, that's like buying a rotten shed and replacing all the timber on it
Depends on the car!
Brilliant lads. Keep up the good work. It’ll not be long till things get back to normal. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🏴
spend 25k in a mx-5 - and it's still an mx-5
That nissan exa at 5:37 from new Zealand, those things rev out to 9000rpm, my friend here in new Zealand used to have one
Alex: 200sxs are overrated
Also alex: *owns an na mx5*
You guys deserve so many more subs. Loving these style of videos.
Jack’s one liners are just incredible 😂
EK9 is the best Civic Type-R..EP3 is just a supped up FIT
2nd best Db8 type R
S2000 overated? lost me there >_
@Andrew Walker... Yeah it's stupid and then he said a Nissan Cube is kind a cool, Lmao
Within 10 secs of watching I realised this is gonna be about roasting Ethan equally as much as cars😂
I would like to roast Phil ,but my mom say that not to burn trash......
What do think of Phil?
I think you should drive it into a quarry and then "Phil" the quarry with concrete and cow crap. 😉
"It's apples and oranges, isn't it."
"I prefer apples."
The green car is awesome. These Guys have no taste. But love your videos. 😂😊
11:17 I bet that guy has been jumped so many times
That plate has undoubtedly caused controversy.
@Dee Jay Sticks and stones, eh?
£500 is about right for an after market cat converter on a Jazz as the list price is 18160-PWA-G02
CONVERTER COMP.
£1,149.30 from Honda, and even with discount would expect a good £800 minimum
A Miata owner says an S2000 is gutless. lol. The S2000 is lifeless? Overrated? Even if you are trying to roast, that is a stretch.
I loved this video, PLEASE do more of these!
My car was so good you didn’t even roast it 14:31
It doesn't deserve that actually
How can a guy roast cars when he can’t even tell what cars they are 🤣
That’s not the point u muppet😂😂🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🥴
Jay M bless
If my cat had been nicked I wouldn't bother replacing it just weld in a length of stainless tube
-hey little kitty!
=Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee rrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhhghghgofkhpg
@Dee Jay I've already been looking for friendly mot stations when I delete my dpf 😂 not too difficult to find really
"If a car was a sigh" Best line in the whole video 😂😂😂
The only thing I ever roasted was a chicken👌
Green S14 is mine. Roast couldve been better but ill take it, hulks skidmark ftw
"I'm guessing you live at home"
Favourite series to binge on this Channel as it’s these shit boxes that keep me up all night
"The S2000 is one of the most overrated cars ever made"
*Stops Video*
*Unsubscribes*
*Blocks Alex and Car Throttle on all social media*
*Burns laptop*
*Cuts ears off*
dont forget to plug the toaster before dunking mate
Ralf Schuhmacher(yes,Michaels Bro) drove one in Monaco.It can't have been that bad.There was almost limitless Cashflow in the family. They didn't buy crab
How do you love a nearly stock E36 but hate any s-chassis, they slide better than the scrawny short chassis mx-5 ! lol
Stopped watching when everyone started hating on the green S14...
Mugammad Tofey
Best car there.
same here, he loves shitty mazda's but cant respect s14's smh
The idea of the video is to roast the cars not compliment them are you stupid?
Well, most 200SXs are owned by idiots
@@domestosbleach8468 the s14 is good but the paint job is shit
After many years of building great, innovative often legendary cars, what's happened to Lancia, over the last couple of decades, is very sad. As for the Crossfire, who the hell uses a reciculating ball steering system in this day and age. On a supposed sports car, it's especially daft!