Finally someone who plays deamons ;) My friends joke that I am the NPC faction. Thanks for the tips...I don''t play so often to be competitive, nor I understand all those combos you mentioned...but I like how you painted your demons. You gave me some inspiration for color schemes for my 2nd beast of nurgle that I am painting. I am also starting a Drukhari/Ynnari army and I'll check your Eldar videos!
I was on PlayOn and MWG and Skaredcast but I haven't found my way over to England just yet! One day! 😅 But cheers mate that's awesome! Keen to have you! Glad I could be of help!
been a fan of your eldar content for years. and what a pleasant surprise/coincidenc. I also moved to daemons at the start of 10th to eacape the hate and fell in love with khorne/nurgle combo. its plays in the same way that made me love eldar. fragile and tricky, high damage potential that requires setup and combos. It rewards careful play/planning and really punishes mistakes, (ive misswd winning in the movment phase!) super fun learning curve and its really reminding me of what i loved about earlier eldar codexes
Wow what the heck!? Is your name also Jack??? Because that would be a little bit scary. They're such a fun force to mess around with! I love watching people try to kill the GUO and fail over and over, while my Khorne units do their job and punish hard! A toolbox so to speak! 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming it's actually Jake so just one letter away 😂 I have to say, I'm really having success with belakore. he is definitely overcosted, but I've been paying the CP to pull him up and a second CP to deepstrike him within 3" turn 2 next to a big threat and using his 6" aura to drop some killy khorne units (or a few Nurgle fat Bois), it's really helped me with just picking an area of the board and winning it whenever I want. pretty much guarantees me scoring capture enemy outpost if I happen to draw it turn 2 as well. I'll definitely give swap him out after this video and see how I do, but I feel like the utility he can bring is super underrated
@scoller okay wow I'm thoroughly spooked. As for Belakor, I thought the exact same thing! That's what I was doing but found I could just do it with plaguebearers instead for half the price, and then I don't give away a gigantic powerful monster and another unit to hold a point for one turn. I've never seen Belakor live past a round after doing something like that. I even versed a daemon player doing the same tactics. Mirror match up, and I killed his Belakor with a couple daemonettes and the changelings flamer...
I guess it depends on who you verse a lot! I never verse guard, and the one time I did Belakor kept my army alive all game long... So much indirect fire was prevented. But I also stopped myself from playing the game and sat in the corner. With my current list I think I would have had more of a chance to move out and destroy some units.
My LGS is playing WTC terrain mostly, so in my experience, Be'lakor "Wreathed in Shadows" aura was useless in most of the games (as you can easily hide all the stuff ruin after ruin)
Exactly the same with me! Though there is an upcoming huge tournament which refuses to use up to date terrain! So I'm thinking it might be a great time to break out Belakor and some tzeentch daemons and just shoot people! See how we go! 😄
Fantastic! Thank you so much! We have an edited battle report out atm for members with this daemon list against grey knights which will be released on Tuesday morning (Australian time... Monday night for everyone else)
I agree on dropping Belakor. I also like the GUO + Rot + Plagebearers with Epidemious. And I like Skarbrand and Bloodletters + Rendmaster. For me the element I think you are missing is a unit of bloodcrushers. They do what the bloodletters do but they tend to survive the hit back as well which is nice.
I was certainly considering them for sure! But because they're a lot more expensive I couldn't fit much more in. It's the same problem with the snail unit. They do have a great way of battleshocking units and dealing some mortals though for sure! Perhaps I'll give a crusher bomb a go in some of my games and report back. I just don't like the way they can't move around terrain as much, and have such a large footprint for deepstrike. Letters are easily to place and I don't care when they die etc. but crushers are great for screening and are faster and tougher so I'll let you know! 😁
I love demons because they let me play AoS and branch out a bit into chaos space marines and chaos knights. Khorne and nurgle are my favorite chaos beings so I'm going to have to build this army.
All in the pipeline my friend! 😄 Just been extra busy lately. Life has been very harsh recently so I haven't had as much time for UA-cam! But in the coming weeks/month! I should be posting a lot more content! Thanks for such a nice comment! 😁
¡Alabados sean los Dioses del Caos por mostrarme este video! Gracias por esta excelente guía, es genial para entender la lógica del ejército, la forma de aprovechar sus sinergias y la forma de valorar correctamente las unidades. Soy jugador de Mil Hijos, pero estoy iniciando con Demonios, y la gran cantidad de unidades me abruma, asi que tu canal me va a ayudar mucho ¡Un saludo desde Colombia!
Wow, nuestro primer comentario en español! Muchas gracias! Afortunada de saber hablarlo y poder compartir con Jack tus palabras y en torno traducir las suyas..pero debo de ser la que te responde para que sea autentico. Acabamos de subir un video sobre Demonios en Nexus Parish si te interesa! No nos podemos creer que tengamos fans en Colombia! Apreciamos mucho tu apoyo - Adela, la pareja de Jack
@@Barnyard-Wargaming ¡Hola, Adela y Jack! Qué grata sorpresa su respuesta en español. Voy a ver el vídeo que me recomiendan y las tier list de los distintos Dioses, para pasar a los informes de batalla y así entenderlos mejor. Espero que lleguen muchos más seguidores hispanohablantes, el canal está genial 😁
But… but Belakor looks so cool In all seriousness I’m getting super excited to start demons as my third army and have been trying to learn about them and this vid was helpful. Gotta get me a Skarbrand!
In this one probably not. It's not bad for 105 points! But it doesn't synergise very well with anything in the list... I did try it and I didn't like it. But in some other lists maybe with done more slaanesh units for extra AP or +1 to wound for example it's not terrible.
I have come to the same conclusion as you of pairing up Nurgle with a damage dealing god, and Khorne seems to be best for that job. The nurgle core allows the Khorne side to enter from deep strike where it's needed. You like to run leaders with your battle line units, have you tried playing the battle line units without leaders? A leader increases the price point for the unit by at least 50%. Have you considered running daemon princes, either walking or flying? Or soul grinder? It would be great to hear your opinions on these. As they get the nurgle/khorne keywords, they synergize with the army.
Yes I do like to run leaders in my units! I find that more often than not they really give the unit the extra abilities they need. For example Epidemius not only gives me a way to generate CP, but he is a monster in combat AND gives the unit a 4+ save instead of a 5+ which when combo'd with the rerolling 1's to save stratagem makes them so much harder to kill. Skulltaker giving devastating wounds, and full rerolls to himself, and a bloodmaster for +1 to wound... I mean these abilities are worth more than the unit itself every time! I feel like I only take the units most of the time as a chaff tax to protect the character and just give me some OC for taking points. I also play Aeldari a fair bit with an Aspect Warrior list using all the Pheonix Lords, and in this case it's the same. The Lords themselves are always the damage dealers and the units they are with are just chaff to keep them alive. I have looked into Daemon Princes a lot! But sadly they are just widely too expensive. I mean when you compare the damage output for the cost... They aren't worth it. One on foot is 200 points, compared with Rotigus who hits harder, is T12, has a lot more wounds, and a lot more synergy with the army and is only another 30 points?! Even Epidemius has d6+3 attacks, 5, -3, 3 rerolling all wounds with lethals if you wanted it. Why take a Daemon Prince? I'm just going to wait for them to come down in price by about 60 points each. As for Soul Grinders, I have looked into them a lot! But I think the biggest reason I don't take them is purely for avoiding giving the enemy more points and having yet another big monster on the table. Big monsters are great for beginner games, but as you climb the competitive ladder people know how to focus them hard, or just pepper them and keep them at bay for a long period of time. For example when you verse a Drukhari or GSC player, your big things will almost never hit anything important in melee. So I limit myself to 3 big monsters, and in my list that is sadly already taken up by better choices. If they were a bit cheaper then i would consider it. But for daemons having that pair of Big monsters and Small objective taking chaff is the best mix, and a Soul Grinder is kind of half half at the moment. Hope this helps! 😊
I'm surprised to see no inclusion of bloodcrushers. Lots of people online seem to think theyre a Khorne powerhouse and they can hit very hard on a charge. Any reason for leaving them out of the party?
I agree that they're very good! But I typically play on more dense terrain. Meaning that more tactical and precise bloodletter bombs that can move through walls perform better than gigantic bricks of models that must move around terrain. If I was to try crushers I would have more of a problem with people screening out large zones of the table between terrain features etc. not to mention Skarbrand doesn't give extra attacks to the crushers mounts. So they don't stack as well as a cheaper bloodletter bomb in my lists. 😁
It depends on the style of board you play on. I'm very used to thick terrain that crushers cannot move through. So letters are usually the better option 🙂
Great info! I played my 4 player 1k match last night and went with - 3xCrushers, 6xCrushers, Rendmaster, Brigand, Belakor. All units performed well apart from B'elakor who just hit like a wet fish. It was a very good list though, hit hard, very tough and mobile
I thought about it. But I found that committing to one unit killed and then just tanking the rest of their damage during their turn is generally better. Another 120 points for a unit with a 5+ save is a big tax. Even if they do move 10. They can be bogged melee. They don't kill very much of anything. Not worth.
Have you tested putting a Skull Altar behind the center ruin to make sure the GUO always has his 4+ FNP on the center objective? It feels probably too expensive but I haven't played the GUO enough to know how often he gets bumped to 5+ FNP instead of 4+.
I'll be honest. Totally forgot it gives shadow to all units and not just Khorne! But for the same price as a skull cannon it just isn't worth it in my opinion
Aos player trying to get into 40k and i have a question If a unit (like the khorne cannons) makes someone take a battleshock test outside of normal times via their ability, do they still have to roll if they are already battleshocked? (For purposes of triggering the shadow damage)
It's a great question and I believe that once a unit is battleshocked they actually do not need to take any more tests. So you cannot stack the damage from shadow sadly.
What do you think about pure khorne list? I'm planning to start 40K from AOS, and I have a blades of Khorne army, so most of my models are khorne related
You're in luck because at the moment it's actually one of the best moments for Khorne ever! They're not the strongest they could be on their own, but certainly a powerful force. I think the best you could get is 3x9 bloodcrusher blobs with Skarbrand. Maybe a unit of letters with skulltaker. If it's light terrain Belakor for sure. Something along those lines. Best of luck! 😁
Hey looking at coming back to 40k...its only been about 7 years! Dragging hubby into it with me, thanks for the tips, hes looking deamons for his 1st army so i reluctantly said he could have them and il go nids....if he squashes me with ur list im blaming you 😂
Ha! 😆 I'll take it... Don't worry I play Nids as well and right now they're not that great! Especially going into pariah nexus! So I'd be patient and wait for the nids to come back around! Welcome back to the hobby and thanks for such an awesome comment!
With your opinion about belakor, what do you think of the even pricier Shalaxi? Would she have a place in a list like this or not worth it because no synergy except maybe the -1 T from GUO?
Until she drops 100 points she is so not worth it. She does so much damage for sure but unless she does a decent amount of damage every single turn for the whole game she never makes her points back and people will just screen her out or one shot her dead. The one time I versed her mirror match up, she charged into my GUO and I spent the rest of the game in combat with her essentially just scoring points behind her back. That's 450p doing nothing... And I only need to spend 260 to keep her there while the GUO gives me FNP around him and -1 toughness... I reckon she needs an overhaul. I'd love to see her ability change entirely to the same as rotigus. +1 DMG, but for slaanesh and make her maybe 250 points.
Yeah that’s about the same to what happened to my shalax. I mean it’s fun to play probably one of the strongest characters in a Statcheck scenario but this rarely ever happens and getting the points out of her is indeed horrible. Thanks for your advice and content looking forward to more Daemon Videos!!!
I tried the foot prince. I feel like he isn't bad! But just too expensive right now... I think 150 ish would be fine. But 200?! Too much. The Khorne dogs are in an upcoming video in 2 days time!
Just out of curiosity which god would you pair with Slaanesh units? I know Slaanesh units arent the greatest right now but they're still my favorite. I'm just not sure which other god would synergize best with them
I normally do Tzeentch, but that is just because I also do Khorne and Nurgle together so they are just leftover. The best answer is probably Nurgle! They're slow, Slaanesh are fast. Good mix of units. You just might get stat checked... Good luck! 😁
Wonderful vid, so many good ideas! I want to play my first tournament, but i actually have only nurgle, soulgrinder and one LoC. i was planing to play fixed missions with ritual and engage, any tipps u can give me ?
Well lucky you! Nurgle is great for fixed! I would take teleport homers and cleanse and just push units onto the middles to score points! Make sure you have epidemius to give you cp back. Rotigus 100%. And lots of flies for speed and damage as well! The beasts unit with the snail is also very good! I think a Nurgle list could be very strong 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming thanks for quick and helpful Answer mate! Will test on the weekend with those secondaries! Much Love from Germany, keep up with that cool content!
Been building up my daemon allies for chaos knights and looking at transitioning over to daemons as my main army. How do you reckon a few war dog karnivores would work alongside your list as allies?
They work well! They give the army tank shock and shooting. Two of the most important things that daemons miss out on. I just generally don't play with knights because I feel like its a bit dirty to bring in an army to assist another and then claim you're playing that army... It's not really daemons with daemons and knights right?
@BarnyardWargamingOfficial yeah I get that. I was always adverse to having daemons in my knights lists for the same reasons but eventually I needed action monkeys. I feel like the karnivores will go well with a khorne army though! Cheers man!
Hey! New to Daemons and loving the army. A lot more fun than my World Eaters army. What’s your opinion on Bloodcrushers? I’m on the fence about them for my Nurgle/Khorne list.
I think they're insanely good! I just couldn't fit them into my list because they're quite expensive. They are more of a hammer unit and for the style of games I play, on WTC terrain, it is much harder for them to move through buildings then blood letters. So I would rather hold the midboard with my Nurgle and just have some squishy bombs for damage. But if you didn't have a holding force in a different style list then absolutely include them! They are for sure one of the best units in the book! 😁 Make sure you have a rendmaster to buff them up for sure, and you might even be able to use a skull altar to drop them in!
You definitely have to run the snail at that point then! I would also try a massive blob of 6 drones instead of something like the crushers. You could get a 5" deep strike charge with them as well and really hit something hard with +1 DMG and they effectively give themselves reroll wounds! More drones is for sure the way to go! Then maybe a lot more plaguebearers. I wouldn't go more than 2 GUO. The relic and rotigus are more than enough. You need board presence after that 😁 good luck!
Going to disagree with Be’lakor. Your meta must not have a lot of shooting. Move blocking with nurglings and having that 18in bubble really helps with not getting shot of turn 1-2. Also having the shadows around him helps a lot with keeping buffs on your units and getting those deepstrike charges off. Good players are going to be able to deny you shadows on the middle board more often than not.
I just find that using competitive terrain makes him useless unless they have a lot of indirect fire. Even then the resilience of daemons makes that firepower seem not very effective anyway. Why pay 350 points to hide in plain sight when you can just hide?
Rendmaster buff with Skull taker and letters. They will mince one easy peasy. Or you wrap them up with plaguebearers for a while. They can't typically move. Those are two super good options. But you can always slow them down with screens too
Great question! I will have to make another video shortly updating my army because Epidemius is no longer being sold and may have a new model or no model coming out! We don't know yet. If you can't get him then the list does change a fair bit and I haven't quite thought about it a lot myself just yet. It's not the most beginner friendly army, but it is a lot more so than many other armies as daemons are a bit more simple to play! But to truly master it there is a fair bit of depth to it, so a very well rounded good time I would say! Thanks for the awesome comment 😁
Thanks for great info. Waiting for my Plague Drones, will be lovely to paint and try in game. What is your thought of 3 Bloodcrushers with a Skullmaster? I do not have Rotigus, is there an other greater daemon that is to be prefered?
No worries! 3 crushers to me doesn't seem as worth it as going the whole hog and taking 6. It's easier to make one charge instead of 2. Maybe for smaller games yes but in 2k I wouldn't. Too easier to murder and give away assassinate. As for Rotigus... Sadly no not for this list 😕 He just synergies so well with Nurgle daemon lists! If you wanted a little less Nurgle and included something like the LoC with relic and the changeling for more battleshocks that might work, but I prefer the big guy!
I cant win in my local meta without belakor becouse its way to heavy on shooting. I still love my belakor becouse he can deep strike and give a diffrent unit shadow of chaos to be able to get closer on the charge. I do feel that hes way to expensive but I still find him worth it.
Yea for sure if the local meta is a tonne of guns and little terrain he is essential. But if you're playing competitive games with little indirect influence then he is useless.
So you are saying that even with the 18 inch aura, players will just move forward and kill you anyway? SOrry i dont have much experience like you. What armies would we need to watch out for ? I know tau can move forward shoot then move back. Not sure what else. Im just to scared of getting shot of the board turn 1 XD. I mean i have only played about 8 games of 10th
It certainly depends on what kind of game you are playing. With casual terrain, certain armies can absolutely just shoot across the board and kill something turn one and Belakor stops that. However, in most games, especially competitive games there is enough terrain to hide all of your models away on turn 1. Meaning Belakors aura is useless, and after that, even if you try to maintain a castle in the corner of the board for example, plenty of armies can shoot him dead easily. Deep striking obliteraters, deep striking Tau. Fast moving eldar. Drukhari dark lances. Sisters meltas. Deep striking Gsc bombs. Etc etc. the list goes on. Nurgle units that screen the board, hold position and wait while the Khorne units clear the board slowly is a better option in my opinion 😁
Love this video so much. I just wish it wasn't so impossible to find skull cannon kits @.@ I've been trying since before 10th came out and still no luck.
How do you get a 5 inch charge with bloodletters? Even with shadow of chaos tou need to deepstrike MORE than 6 inches away...so at a minimum 6.001 inches. That makes for a 6 inch charge. Same goes for regular, non demon deepatrike. You can never have an 8 inch deepstrike charge.
Yes but units with banners are +1 to charge rolls! 😁 So it's effectively a '5'... But whatever you roll you move one more than that as well. So if you roll a 5, you're in and you move 6". If you roll a 10. You move 11 and can wrap units even further!
@@Barnyard-Wargaming totally forgot about the banners, yeah. > Whatever you roll you move one more than that as well. Just to clarify...you mean because of the banner right, not a normal vanilla charge?
Sorry yes it's the instrument which adds 1! The banner is +1 leadership. But yes because of the instrument adding one to your rolls. You can make a 5" charge in shadow or an 8" charge outside of shadow 😁
The Aeldari will not be gone for long! In fact I just made 10 custom bases for all my vehicles! 😁 Just waiting for everyone to let go of their hate for Eldar, and a new codex to come out while I have fun on daemons!
Good showing!! Daemons aren't in a great spot right now so don't feel disheartened. Rotigus killing Angron is absolutely hilarious ha! Sit down angry boi! 😅 BONK
It definitely does lack some damage. But you'd be surprised just how much it can do! Skarbrand actually doesn't really ever deal damage in these lists. He is just a threat and source of +1 attack. 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming 2 rendmaster, 2 skullcannon, seekers, 2x nurglings, belakor, skarbrand, the rest is as many bloodcrushers and blootletters as the list will allow. Belakor covers them first 2 turns then the deepstrikes begin. I pretty much use belakor purely for his utility and to give things a knock here nd there
@chaosclg oh nice yep! That's how I would run him if I was going to. Personally I've been screened out way too many times to trust that kind of list. My Nurgle half allows me to have some board presence instead of being all damage.
@@Barnyard-Wargaming never really had it happen to be honest its hard to do when you can deepstrike belakor within 3 then skarbrand into his shadow within 6 and charge, if opponent goes first i normally do this turn 1, pick up my units end of his turn and put a huge dent in their army turn one
And people let you actually charge something important as well? For all the people I verse there is so much chaff that blocks the way. When you deep strike you could try and flame it away with Belakor and Skarbrand but then you reduce your charge range, and the following turn I would lose both monsters almost every time. That's 655 points of my army just gone and they didn't do anything, except maybe slow down their army for a little while
I mean maybe? It had never worked for me. I've never seen Belakor make his points back in a game before dying, and I played about 20 games with him. Not to mention the new stratagem change for CSM Nurgle units only being untargettable outside 18 instead of 12 had apparently made the faction 'much worse', and their winrate has gone down. Which is the same ability as Belakor. So for 350 points, he seems pretty overcosted to me.
Finally someone who plays deamons ;) My friends joke that I am the NPC faction.
Thanks for the tips...I don''t play so often to be competitive, nor I understand all those combos you mentioned...but I like how you painted your demons. You gave me some inspiration for color schemes for my 2nd beast of nurgle that I am painting.
I am also starting a Drukhari/Ynnari army and I'll check your Eldar videos!
Well if you are an NPC you're a damn cool one. Daemons and Ynnari. It doesn't get much better than that! 😁
I’ve just gotten into daemons and was looking for a good channel for it. I’m so glad you were on TableTop tactics so I could find your channel
I was on PlayOn and MWG and Skaredcast but I haven't found my way over to England just yet! One day! 😅 But cheers mate that's awesome! Keen to have you! Glad I could be of help!
@@Barnyard-Wargaming sorry play On is what I meant 😂
been a fan of your eldar content for years. and what a pleasant surprise/coincidenc. I also moved to daemons at the start of 10th to eacape the hate and fell in love with khorne/nurgle combo. its plays in the same way that made me love eldar. fragile and tricky, high damage potential that requires setup and combos. It rewards careful play/planning and really punishes mistakes, (ive misswd winning in the movment phase!) super fun learning curve and its really reminding me of what i loved about earlier eldar codexes
Wow what the heck!? Is your name also Jack??? Because that would be a little bit scary. They're such a fun force to mess around with! I love watching people try to kill the GUO and fail over and over, while my Khorne units do their job and punish hard! A toolbox so to speak! 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming it's actually Jake so just one letter away 😂
I have to say, I'm really having success with belakore. he is definitely overcosted, but I've been paying the CP to pull him up and a second CP to deepstrike him within 3" turn 2 next to a big threat and using his 6" aura to drop some killy khorne units (or a few Nurgle fat Bois), it's really helped me with just picking an area of the board and winning it whenever I want.
pretty much guarantees me scoring capture enemy outpost if I happen to draw it turn 2 as well.
I'll definitely give swap him out after this video and see how I do, but I feel like the utility he can bring is super underrated
@scoller okay wow I'm thoroughly spooked. As for Belakor, I thought the exact same thing! That's what I was doing but found I could just do it with plaguebearers instead for half the price, and then I don't give away a gigantic powerful monster and another unit to hold a point for one turn. I've never seen Belakor live past a round after doing something like that. I even versed a daemon player doing the same tactics. Mirror match up, and I killed his Belakor with a couple daemonettes and the changelings flamer...
@@Barnyard-Wargaming it makes me sad how much sense your making 🥲
Nice one! Disagree with your disdain for Belakor but I understand it. In certain matchups, his aura changes the game completely.
I guess it depends on who you verse a lot! I never verse guard, and the one time I did Belakor kept my army alive all game long... So much indirect fire was prevented. But I also stopped myself from playing the game and sat in the corner. With my current list I think I would have had more of a chance to move out and destroy some units.
My LGS is playing WTC terrain mostly, so in my experience, Be'lakor "Wreathed in Shadows" aura was useless in most of the games (as you can easily hide all the stuff ruin after ruin)
Exactly the same with me! Though there is an upcoming huge tournament which refuses to use up to date terrain! So I'm thinking it might be a great time to break out Belakor and some tzeentch daemons and just shoot people! See how we go! 😄
Just discovered your channel. As a forever Daemons fan, I like your take on it, very unique and loving the synergy therein :)
Fantastic! Thank you so much! We have an edited battle report out atm for members with this daemon list against grey knights which will be released on Tuesday morning (Australian time... Monday night for everyone else)
@@Barnyard-Wargaming awesome, will be checking that out for sure!
I agree on dropping Belakor. I also like the GUO + Rot + Plagebearers with Epidemious. And I like Skarbrand and Bloodletters + Rendmaster. For me the element I think you are missing is a unit of bloodcrushers. They do what the bloodletters do but they tend to survive the hit back as well which is nice.
I was certainly considering them for sure! But because they're a lot more expensive I couldn't fit much more in. It's the same problem with the snail unit. They do have a great way of battleshocking units and dealing some mortals though for sure! Perhaps I'll give a crusher bomb a go in some of my games and report back. I just don't like the way they can't move around terrain as much, and have such a large footprint for deepstrike. Letters are easily to place and I don't care when they die etc. but crushers are great for screening and are faster and tougher so I'll let you know! 😁
I love demons because they let me play AoS and branch out a bit into chaos space marines and chaos knights.
Khorne and nurgle are my favorite chaos beings so I'm going to have to build this army.
Best of luck! It has done me very well! A synergistic list that takes a lot of knowledge to play well so give it a few tries for sure 😊
Been loving these videos! :)
Hell yea! Greatly appreciate it my friend! 😁
I very much enjoy your perspective, any chance you might do a video on strategies to get and maintain shadow?
All in the pipeline my friend! 😄 Just been extra busy lately. Life has been very harsh recently so I haven't had as much time for UA-cam! But in the coming weeks/month! I should be posting a lot more content! Thanks for such a nice comment! 😁
¡Alabados sean los Dioses del Caos por mostrarme este video! Gracias por esta excelente guía, es genial para entender la lógica del ejército, la forma de aprovechar sus sinergias y la forma de valorar correctamente las unidades. Soy jugador de Mil Hijos, pero estoy iniciando con Demonios, y la gran cantidad de unidades me abruma, asi que tu canal me va a ayudar mucho ¡Un saludo desde Colombia!
Wow, nuestro primer comentario en español! Muchas gracias! Afortunada de saber hablarlo y poder compartir con Jack tus palabras y en torno traducir las suyas..pero debo de ser la que te responde para que sea autentico. Acabamos de subir un video sobre Demonios en Nexus Parish si te interesa! No nos podemos creer que tengamos fans en Colombia! Apreciamos mucho tu apoyo - Adela, la pareja de Jack
@@Barnyard-Wargaming ¡Hola, Adela y Jack! Qué grata sorpresa su respuesta en español.
Voy a ver el vídeo que me recomiendan y las tier list de los distintos Dioses, para pasar a los informes de batalla y así entenderlos mejor.
Espero que lleguen muchos más seguidores hispanohablantes, el canal está genial 😁
But… but Belakor looks so cool
In all seriousness I’m getting super excited to start demons as my third army and have been trying to learn about them and this vid was helpful. Gotta get me a Skarbrand!
He definitely does! You can paint him and put him in the display cabinet until he gets updated 😅
Im Coming from playing Death Guard and expanding into Nurgle Daemons. This is great! Thanks 😊
Perfect! Welcome to the daemonic side my friend! I wish you the best of luck on your daemon journey! Glad you enjoyed the video 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming thank you. I’ll be watching you 👀 Great tips so far to help narrow that learning curve 😁
We need to do more tips and tricks videos that is for certain! But at the moment we are just very busy ... Soon! All in good time! 😁
Nice list. Would u add a hellflayer to get some quick mobility.
In this one probably not. It's not bad for 105 points! But it doesn't synergise very well with anything in the list... I did try it and I didn't like it. But in some other lists maybe with done more slaanesh units for extra AP or +1 to wound for example it's not terrible.
I have come to the same conclusion as you of pairing up Nurgle with a damage dealing god, and Khorne seems to be best for that job. The nurgle core allows the Khorne side to enter from deep strike where it's needed.
You like to run leaders with your battle line units, have you tried playing the battle line units without leaders? A leader increases the price point for the unit by at least 50%.
Have you considered running daemon princes, either walking or flying? Or soul grinder? It would be great to hear your opinions on these. As they get the nurgle/khorne keywords, they synergize with the army.
Yes I do like to run leaders in my units! I find that more often than not they really give the unit the extra abilities they need. For example Epidemius not only gives me a way to generate CP, but he is a monster in combat AND gives the unit a 4+ save instead of a 5+ which when combo'd with the rerolling 1's to save stratagem makes them so much harder to kill. Skulltaker giving devastating wounds, and full rerolls to himself, and a bloodmaster for +1 to wound... I mean these abilities are worth more than the unit itself every time! I feel like I only take the units most of the time as a chaff tax to protect the character and just give me some OC for taking points. I also play Aeldari a fair bit with an Aspect Warrior list using all the Pheonix Lords, and in this case it's the same. The Lords themselves are always the damage dealers and the units they are with are just chaff to keep them alive.
I have looked into Daemon Princes a lot! But sadly they are just widely too expensive. I mean when you compare the damage output for the cost... They aren't worth it. One on foot is 200 points, compared with Rotigus who hits harder, is T12, has a lot more wounds, and a lot more synergy with the army and is only another 30 points?! Even Epidemius has d6+3 attacks, 5, -3, 3 rerolling all wounds with lethals if you wanted it. Why take a Daemon Prince? I'm just going to wait for them to come down in price by about 60 points each.
As for Soul Grinders, I have looked into them a lot! But I think the biggest reason I don't take them is purely for avoiding giving the enemy more points and having yet another big monster on the table. Big monsters are great for beginner games, but as you climb the competitive ladder people know how to focus them hard, or just pepper them and keep them at bay for a long period of time. For example when you verse a Drukhari or GSC player, your big things will almost never hit anything important in melee. So I limit myself to 3 big monsters, and in my list that is sadly already taken up by better choices. If they were a bit cheaper then i would consider it. But for daemons having that pair of Big monsters and Small objective taking chaff is the best mix, and a Soul Grinder is kind of half half at the moment. Hope this helps! 😊
@@Barnyard-Wargaming this is a great answer, and I really appreciate it. I learned a lot.
My absolute pleasure ☺️
I'm surprised to see no inclusion of bloodcrushers. Lots of people online seem to think theyre a Khorne powerhouse and they can hit very hard on a charge. Any reason for leaving them out of the party?
I agree that they're very good! But I typically play on more dense terrain. Meaning that more tactical and precise bloodletter bombs that can move through walls perform better than gigantic bricks of models that must move around terrain. If I was to try crushers I would have more of a problem with people screening out large zones of the table between terrain features etc. not to mention Skarbrand doesn't give extra attacks to the crushers mounts. So they don't stack as well as a cheaper bloodletter bomb in my lists. 😁
Very surprised that a unit of 6 bloodcrushers were not included. I think they are an absolute truck of a unit, especially with the Khorne damage buff
It depends on the style of board you play on. I'm very used to thick terrain that crushers cannot move through. So letters are usually the better option 🙂
love your channel and the deamon content
Massively appreciate it! May your daemonic expeditions be fruitful.
Great info!
I played my 4 player 1k match last night and went with - 3xCrushers, 6xCrushers, Rendmaster, Brigand, Belakor. All units performed well apart from B'elakor who just hit like a wet fish. It was a very good list though, hit hard, very tough and mobile
Oooft! For a 1k game that sounds like a very hard army to shift! Very nice! 😁
I am considering running more than one unit of flies…since each unit can pick a unit for rerolling wounds. Have you dabbled with this?
I thought about it. But I found that committing to one unit killed and then just tanking the rest of their damage during their turn is generally better. Another 120 points for a unit with a 5+ save is a big tax. Even if they do move 10. They can be bogged melee. They don't kill very much of anything. Not worth.
Where do you get the Epidemius model from? Are they still in production?
Sadly no they are not! There are some recasters around or 3d prints.. otherwise maybe converting? 😕
Have you tested putting a Skull Altar behind the center ruin to make sure the GUO always has his 4+ FNP on the center objective? It feels probably too expensive but I haven't played the GUO enough to know how often he gets bumped to 5+ FNP instead of 4+.
I'll be honest. Totally forgot it gives shadow to all units and not just Khorne! But for the same price as a skull cannon it just isn't worth it in my opinion
Aos player trying to get into 40k and i have a question
If a unit (like the khorne cannons) makes someone take a battleshock test outside of normal times via their ability, do they still have to roll if they are already battleshocked?
(For purposes of triggering the shadow damage)
It's a great question and I believe that once a unit is battleshocked they actually do not need to take any more tests. So you cannot stack the damage from shadow sadly.
What do you think about pure khorne list? I'm planning to start 40K from AOS, and I have a blades of Khorne army, so most of my models are khorne related
You're in luck because at the moment it's actually one of the best moments for Khorne ever! They're not the strongest they could be on their own, but certainly a powerful force. I think the best you could get is 3x9 bloodcrusher blobs with Skarbrand. Maybe a unit of letters with skulltaker. If it's light terrain Belakor for sure. Something along those lines. Best of luck! 😁
Playing with Nurgle models for me is completely out. would love to watch something focused on Khorne.
Absolutely! I will try to get a game up and running for you! We have some Nurgle up soon, then tzeentch, then I'll throw up some khorne real soon! 😁
Hey looking at coming back to 40k...its only been about 7 years! Dragging hubby into it with me, thanks for the tips, hes looking deamons for his 1st army so i reluctantly said he could have them and il go nids....if he squashes me with ur list im blaming you 😂
Ha! 😆 I'll take it... Don't worry I play Nids as well and right now they're not that great! Especially going into pariah nexus! So I'd be patient and wait for the nids to come back around! Welcome back to the hobby and thanks for such an awesome comment!
With your opinion about belakor, what do you think of the even pricier Shalaxi? Would she have a place in a list like this or not worth it because no synergy except maybe the -1 T from GUO?
Until she drops 100 points she is so not worth it. She does so much damage for sure but unless she does a decent amount of damage every single turn for the whole game she never makes her points back and people will just screen her out or one shot her dead. The one time I versed her mirror match up, she charged into my GUO and I spent the rest of the game in combat with her essentially just scoring points behind her back. That's 450p doing nothing... And I only need to spend 260 to keep her there while the GUO gives me FNP around him and -1 toughness... I reckon she needs an overhaul. I'd love to see her ability change entirely to the same as rotigus. +1 DMG, but for slaanesh and make her maybe 250 points.
Yeah that’s about the same to what happened to my shalax. I mean it’s fun to play probably one of the strongest characters in a Statcheck scenario but this rarely ever happens and getting the points out of her is indeed horrible.
Thanks for your advice and content looking forward to more Daemon Videos!!!
Hi, thank you for this. I am happy because it validate some ideas I had.
What do you think about deamon prince by feet and his stealth ability ?
And about the Khorne's dogos
I tried the foot prince. I feel like he isn't bad! But just too expensive right now... I think 150 ish would be fine. But 200?! Too much. The Khorne dogs are in an upcoming video in 2 days time!
Just out of curiosity which god would you pair with Slaanesh units? I know Slaanesh units arent the greatest right now but they're still my favorite. I'm just not sure which other god would synergize best with them
I normally do Tzeentch, but that is just because I also do Khorne and Nurgle together so they are just leftover. The best answer is probably Nurgle! They're slow, Slaanesh are fast. Good mix of units. You just might get stat checked... Good luck! 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming I was hoping you'd say nurgle! Thank you so much for the reply
No worries! Anytime 😊 Comments is what makes UA-cam such a friendly and fun place! Wouldn't do it without you guys. Good luck!
Wonderful vid, so many good ideas! I want to play my first tournament, but i actually have only nurgle, soulgrinder and one LoC. i was planing to play fixed missions with ritual and engage, any tipps u can give me ?
Well lucky you! Nurgle is great for fixed! I would take teleport homers and cleanse and just push units onto the middles to score points! Make sure you have epidemius to give you cp back. Rotigus 100%. And lots of flies for speed and damage as well! The beasts unit with the snail is also very good! I think a Nurgle list could be very strong 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming thanks for quick and helpful Answer mate! Will test on the weekend with those secondaries! Much Love from Germany, keep up with that cool content!
Been building up my daemon allies for chaos knights and looking at transitioning over to daemons as my main army. How do you reckon a few war dog karnivores would work alongside your list as allies?
They work well! They give the army tank shock and shooting. Two of the most important things that daemons miss out on. I just generally don't play with knights because I feel like its a bit dirty to bring in an army to assist another and then claim you're playing that army... It's not really daemons with daemons and knights right?
@BarnyardWargamingOfficial yeah I get that. I was always adverse to having daemons in my knights lists for the same reasons but eventually I needed action monkeys. I feel like the karnivores will go well with a khorne army though! Cheers man!
Hey! New to Daemons and loving the army. A lot more fun than my World Eaters army. What’s your opinion on Bloodcrushers? I’m on the fence about them for my Nurgle/Khorne list.
I think they're insanely good! I just couldn't fit them into my list because they're quite expensive. They are more of a hammer unit and for the style of games I play, on WTC terrain, it is much harder for them to move through buildings then blood letters. So I would rather hold the midboard with my Nurgle and just have some squishy bombs for damage. But if you didn't have a holding force in a different style list then absolutely include them! They are for sure one of the best units in the book! 😁 Make sure you have a rendmaster to buff them up for sure, and you might even be able to use a skull altar to drop them in!
@@Barnyard-Wargaming Awesome info! Thank you. I have enough room for only a 3 man squad with my list. I’ll try them out and see
@@Barnyard-WargamingI also believe the compact terrain layout with ruins in competative play favours infantry and disfavours big cavalry bases.
I’m really wanting to play pure nurgle daemons. What, if any, substitutes are there for the Khorn units?
You definitely have to run the snail at that point then! I would also try a massive blob of 6 drones instead of something like the crushers. You could get a 5" deep strike charge with them as well and really hit something hard with +1 DMG and they effectively give themselves reroll wounds! More drones is for sure the way to go! Then maybe a lot more plaguebearers. I wouldn't go more than 2 GUO. The relic and rotigus are more than enough. You need board presence after that 😁 good luck!
Going to disagree with Be’lakor.
Your meta must not have a lot of shooting. Move blocking with nurglings and having that 18in bubble really helps with not getting shot of turn 1-2.
Also having the shadows around him helps a lot with keeping buffs on your units and getting those deepstrike charges off.
Good players are going to be able to deny you shadows on the middle board more often than not.
I just find that using competitive terrain makes him useless unless they have a lot of indirect fire. Even then the resilience of daemons makes that firepower seem not very effective anyway. Why pay 350 points to hide in plain sight when you can just hide?
What's the best way to deal with C'tan in the army?
Rendmaster buff with Skull taker and letters. They will mince one easy peasy. Or you wrap them up with plaguebearers for a while. They can't typically move. Those are two super good options. But you can always slow them down with screens too
What if you can’t get Epidumius because he’s sold out everywhere? Also, is this a beginner friendly army to play?
Great question! I will have to make another video shortly updating my army because Epidemius is no longer being sold and may have a new model or no model coming out! We don't know yet. If you can't get him then the list does change a fair bit and I haven't quite thought about it a lot myself just yet. It's not the most beginner friendly army, but it is a lot more so than many other armies as daemons are a bit more simple to play! But to truly master it there is a fair bit of depth to it, so a very well rounded good time I would say! Thanks for the awesome comment 😁
I'm not sure if I'm putting something extra in or not but I put all these units into a list and it comes to 2160 points
Try adding them all in except for the snail unit! 😁 The list is in the description!
Nice color scheme😊
Thank you so much! 😊
Sorry if I missed it, do you have your list published anywhere?
Great point! Sorry bout that! Updated 😁
Now I want to play Daemons :)
Join the cause Swabulius! It's great fun! 😁
Thanks for great info.
Waiting for my Plague Drones, will be lovely to paint and try in game.
What is your thought of 3 Bloodcrushers with a Skullmaster?
I do not have Rotigus, is there an other greater daemon that is to be prefered?
No worries! 3 crushers to me doesn't seem as worth it as going the whole hog and taking 6. It's easier to make one charge instead of 2. Maybe for smaller games yes but in 2k I wouldn't. Too easier to murder and give away assassinate. As for Rotigus... Sadly no not for this list 😕 He just synergies so well with Nurgle daemon lists! If you wanted a little less Nurgle and included something like the LoC with relic and the changeling for more battleshocks that might work, but I prefer the big guy!
I cant win in my local meta without belakor becouse its way to heavy on shooting.
I still love my belakor becouse he can deep strike and give a diffrent unit shadow of chaos to be able to get closer on the charge.
I do feel that hes way to expensive but I still find him worth it.
Yea for sure if the local meta is a tonne of guns and little terrain he is essential. But if you're playing competitive games with little indirect influence then he is useless.
Ugh! Now I must Chaos Daemons my wallet!
GW: "Come on mate, hand it over ... Wallet please"
So you are saying that even with the 18 inch aura, players will just move forward and kill you anyway? SOrry i dont have much experience like you. What armies would we need to watch out for ? I know tau can move forward shoot then move back. Not sure what else. Im just to scared of getting shot of the board turn 1 XD. I mean i have only played about 8 games of 10th
It certainly depends on what kind of game you are playing. With casual terrain, certain armies can absolutely just shoot across the board and kill something turn one and Belakor stops that. However, in most games, especially competitive games there is enough terrain to hide all of your models away on turn 1. Meaning Belakors aura is useless, and after that, even if you try to maintain a castle in the corner of the board for example, plenty of armies can shoot him dead easily. Deep striking obliteraters, deep striking Tau. Fast moving eldar. Drukhari dark lances. Sisters meltas. Deep striking Gsc bombs. Etc etc. the list goes on. Nurgle units that screen the board, hold position and wait while the Khorne units clear the board slowly is a better option in my opinion 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming legend
Love this video so much. I just wish it wasn't so impossible to find skull cannon kits @.@ I've been trying since before 10th came out and still no luck.
Thank you so much! That means a lot 😁 Well... Not that I advocate for it... But there are other ways to find skull cannons. Just not in plastic ofc...
How do you get a 5 inch charge with bloodletters? Even with shadow of chaos tou need to deepstrike MORE than 6 inches away...so at a minimum 6.001 inches. That makes for a 6 inch charge.
Same goes for regular, non demon deepatrike. You can never have an 8 inch deepstrike charge.
Yes but units with banners are +1 to charge rolls! 😁 So it's effectively a '5'... But whatever you roll you move one more than that as well. So if you roll a 5, you're in and you move 6". If you roll a 10. You move 11 and can wrap units even further!
@@Barnyard-Wargaming totally forgot about the banners, yeah.
> Whatever you roll you move one more than that as well.
Just to clarify...you mean because of the banner right, not a normal vanilla charge?
Sorry yes it's the instrument which adds 1! The banner is +1 leadership. But yes because of the instrument adding one to your rolls. You can make a 5" charge in shadow or an 8" charge outside of shadow 😁
@@Barnyard-Wargaming great tip, thanks.
Interesting! Miss seeing your Eldar but those daemons sure are cool 😎
The Aeldari will not be gone for long! In fact I just made 10 custom bases for all my vehicles! 😁 Just waiting for everyone to let go of their hate for Eldar, and a new codex to come out while I have fun on daemons!
Nice! Look forward to it! @@Barnyard-Wargaming
Took your list to a local store won one game with the list. Got 11th place out of 16. 6th game with them. Rottigus killed angron by himself.
Good showing!! Daemons aren't in a great spot right now so don't feel disheartened. Rotigus killing Angron is absolutely hilarious ha! Sit down angry boi! 😅 BONK
Love your ideas, but if for any reason you lose Skarbrand too easily, your dead. I think this build lacks of damages
It definitely does lack some damage. But you'd be surprised just how much it can do! Skarbrand actually doesn't really ever deal damage in these lists. He is just a threat and source of +1 attack. 😁
Nice
"If you roll your 4+ this guy is insane" so just roll better? Sound advice, thanks 🙄
What you're telling me you can't just roll all 4+ saves? Easy peasy!
must disagree with belakor he makes my entire list, havent lost with daemons in 10th...
Dang that is impressive! What is your list?
@@Barnyard-Wargaming 2 rendmaster, 2 skullcannon, seekers, 2x nurglings, belakor, skarbrand, the rest is as many bloodcrushers and blootletters as the list will allow. Belakor covers them first 2 turns then the deepstrikes begin. I pretty much use belakor purely for his utility and to give things a knock here nd there
@chaosclg oh nice yep! That's how I would run him if I was going to. Personally I've been screened out way too many times to trust that kind of list. My Nurgle half allows me to have some board presence instead of being all damage.
@@Barnyard-Wargaming never really had it happen to be honest its hard to do when you can deepstrike belakor within 3 then skarbrand into his shadow within 6 and charge, if opponent goes first i normally do this turn 1, pick up my units end of his turn and put a huge dent in their army turn one
And people let you actually charge something important as well? For all the people I verse there is so much chaff that blocks the way. When you deep strike you could try and flame it away with Belakor and Skarbrand but then you reduce your charge range, and the following turn I would lose both monsters almost every time. That's 655 points of my army just gone and they didn't do anything, except maybe slow down their army for a little while
LOL Belakor trash!?!? what?!!? yeah man idk he's got 1 of the best rules in the game...
I mean maybe? It had never worked for me. I've never seen Belakor make his points back in a game before dying, and I played about 20 games with him. Not to mention the new stratagem change for CSM Nurgle units only being untargettable outside 18 instead of 12 had apparently made the faction 'much worse', and their winrate has gone down. Which is the same ability as Belakor. So for 350 points, he seems pretty overcosted to me.