Hi John. Frenchie here. It's well known that the famous "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" of Jean Jacques Rousseau's Confession is often attributed to be about Marie Antoinette. However most french do know that this was misattributed. There are no known records of Marie Antoinette saying those words. Most likely they are about Madame Victoire. The French wiki article is well documented on this topic. Regards,
French spotted... mind sharing how the French Revolution is taught in your education system? How is it different from this video? Is the French Revolution viewed very positively?
Danielle That could be a major reason it became so dang popular...bet one guy made a political joke that made people believe it happened only to cause such severe anxiety to the then pesentry that it proved a spark to the anger of the time...
@@arandomcomment1092 well the insight of this episode on the contrary suggest that the "I didn't tell them to eat cake" was more a reference on how Brioche is not really a cake, we just assumed he knew that she did say it.
I know you don't usually focus much on the military side, but the concept of changing France into a nation of citizens is a huge factor in France's military success both before and during Napoleon's reign. Other countries would field royal, professional armies, but France mobilised its people into huge armies that could more easily weather defeats or casualties compared to its rivals. So everyone looked at the French armies and said "Oh wow, they can just recruit anyone? We have to do that too!" and thus, by necessity, the other European countries at the time also had to change, arguably even democratise, their military mindset.
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Haven’t historians pretty much confirmed that Marie Antoinette didn’t say let them eat brioche? It was first written down while she was a child, and it is more likely that it was Marie-Therese or someone else entirely
It was “Theorized at the time” that she did... She probably didn’t actually say that, though it made the then grumbling pesentry become ever more militant/against the monarchy.... Proving that rumours, can be just as dangerious as truths...
I had read that Marie Antoinette did say something about sweet bread, but that was after a handmaid of hers let something slip about food and Antoinette insisted to know why she was so hungry. The woman explained and Antoinette stood up and said,"if they are hungry, then let them eat sweet bread" referring to her own stores of food from the royal palace. Antoinette continued donating food but at some point her generosity only made it clearer that no matter how much she gave something needed to change at the deepest levels of society. No nation can live on donations from a single person. Unfortunately, history only remembers her decadence, which she did not curtail. She didn't hand the food out personally so most people didn't know or care where it came from, they only cared that it still wasnt close to enough. It seemed a pittance, even to the starving. Yes she was disconnected and wasteful but to call her uncaring is wrong. When she was no longer sheltered from the truth she tried and gave mightily, it just wasnt ever going to be enough. She didn't have the power or the time to fix france, but she did something when many did nothing and that should count for something. Thanks for speaking up about her, too few do. Was she a hero? No. Did she deserve the blade? Also no.
To the best of my knowledge. She never did say “let them eat cake.” She might have said something that sounded similar but not that. However, this quote is a good way of showing how she saw the world and what she thought of those below her even if she didn’t actually say it
Yeah i agree from what i have seen she didn't say that our anything like that and instead it was just propaganda to demonize her so people would be more willing to chop off her head
Like he glossed over, Louis XVI was only deposed and executed at a narrow majority, his execution was carried with an only 1 vote difference. The Revolution being anti-monarchist is unfortunately a misconception that I'm disappointed wasn't debunked here. Only the most extremes of Jacobins initially wanted the Republic most people wanted to carry on with the Constitutional Monarchy, and peasants didn't even think possible a government without King. It's only through a succession of events that galvanized the populist factions (not quite unlike what is happening currently) did the atmosphere switch to more and more anti-monarchist. Ironically, the King, in wanting to flee, and the other Kings in wanting to save the French Monarchy led to the loss of trust into the King and his eventual downfall, but the Revolution never was from the start about wanting to end the Monarchy. That's why Napoléon was so quickly accepted, a lot of the reactionaries were tired and wanted peace back (like in 68 where it was the counter-protestation of the Right that ended the events of May).
Caramichael He goes into depth about that in his World History episode on the revolution. How it evolved and how it’s ideologies changed and how revolutionary it really was
um actually, napoleon was not a commoner. he come from an empovrished corsican noble family. he enjoyed expensive education and was a lieutenant when he joined the army.
Pretty big oversight from Crash Course. It's in the first sentence on his 'early life' on wikipedia even. The first chapters in any biography on him talk about his expensive education in a prestigious boarding school in France.
@@VashdaCrash Honestly my hope, they should scrap this episode entirely and go back to reading books on the subjects because this video is only spreading misconceptions and is really not on par with the others.
He envoyed a good French education but that didn't make a Artistocrat out of him. He ended up walking around in Paris, poor and alone during the revolution. He is a real man of the people especially when you know that he evolved in the military not by money but by his talent alone because in the begining he was only an artillery officer. That's why during the hundred days (when he came back from exile), no soldier nor people wanted to kill him but instead greet him as their true natural leader.
Loving this series! I used this channel as a student in school and university. Now I am a high school teacher recommending my students watch your videos! :)
I just wanted to congratulate Crash Course History for evolving in the right direction regarding tempo and speed. There was too much action for most people to truly learn anything in the first seasons of Crash Course history. From an educational perspective, this series on European history is way better.
10:57 One potentially important clarification. Napoleon wasn't a commoner, but by this point, most nobles had either renounced their titles of nobility or fled the country.
When the revolution tried to "rationalize" everything according to the decimal system (ten months, ten-day weeks, metric measurements), they ended up hurting the poor even more. The Catholic calendar had one rest day for six workdays, Sunday, while the new calendar had one rest day for nine workdays. A reminder that people in charge of the revolutionary government were never the poorest of the poor, but rather disgruntled middle-class idealists.
For all of those who are quick to point out that Marie Antoinette never actually said “Let them eat cake/brioche” Two things. 1. He mentioned that she never actually said that in his World History episode on the subject and 2. Even though she never said that, that quote does a good job summarizing how she saw the world.
Proloza Loser seems fine to me lol. I’m glad it’s toned down a bit, it’s a lot easier for me to actually follow since he’s not just ripping through everything.
Your saying in comparison too his prior last video of this frence revolution topic. Yeah his tone has changed. When u see what has happened with today and socity polerising, it's gotten quite serious. U see that life and history is quite very much intertwine in itself. Perhaps it dosnt become history of it's own self period and today is better yes but our human condition hasn't changed as much. HIstory repeats itself, no matter how different. It's just a way of living and struggles on it. But this video sheds light on history. And I'm happy to watch them.
The “let them eat brioche” line almost certainly was not said by Marie Antoinette, if it was said by anyone at all, given that the line was first reported before Marie Antoinette was born
This is honestly garbled, some basic facts are wrong Napoleon was absolutely not a commoner, some fairly important details are omitted (civil constitution of the clergy and the Levee en Masse being the standouts) and the chronology is just confused the royalist uprising in the Vendée wasn’t a reaction against the terror the two events happened basically simultaneously.
He was not a commoner per say but he did rise thanks to the new dynamics in place. As for the royalist uprising, of course these were simultaneous but that doesn't mean it was not a reaction to it. He had to start from the Revolution to explain the counter-revolution.
Alexander Turnbull I assume he is saying that because of the short amount of time in the video, sacrificing accuracy for speed and truth for novelty for something more inspiring than the actual facts of his upbringing. He is taking the audience into account. This is UA-cam where I assume the majority of the watchers are not as well informed as maybe those with formal higher education
Alexander Turnbull I would argue that Napoleon may not have been a commoner in his youth, but he was closer to a commoner by the time of the French Revolution
@@MortalWombat4480 I mean every one was a commoner they abolished feudalism it was kinda their jam. But his family were nobles minor provincial (near foreign) nobles, but nobles none the less.
Indeed, and reading the wiki entry shows that Marie Antoinette was sympathetic to the peasants according to one letter she wrote to her family in Austria. "It is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness. The King seems to understand this truth."
In fact there's pretty hefty counter evidence to her ever having said that, in that, there are records of that line, attributed to other people, from decades before she was even born!
She also supported many charities for the poor. It peeves me that history is still not kind to her just because she was on the losing side. While the monarchy was a huge problem, she was not the cause of Frances’ woes. She was the right queen at the wrong time.
@@Madhattersinjeans She was naive though because the king did not understand that truth he did things when she nagged him to do it, but always the bare minimum to get her to shut up.
@@YukiteruAmano92 Well tehcnically the first written source of it we have is after she was born, in one of Voltaire's books, (published when she was 3 years old) but he remarks on it as an old story.
@3:09 Fun fact: the etymology of the name sometimes used for the press, the Fourth Estate, comes from this organization of the French Estates General. One version attributes it to Edmund Burke, when he applied it to the press in England in 1787. Others, from the early 1800s in France.
Love your work John, and understand the difficulties of a 15 minute overview. But while things like whether Marie Antoinette made the brioche comment or whether the tennis court oath actually happened in a tennis court are sort of by the by, it would have been good to note that it was actually France that declared war on Austria in 1791. This is significant because, at the time, the French provisional government saw war as a means by which to both unite the French people at home and raise revolutionary fervor across Europe. It also would have been good to get a bit on the peasant uprisings in regional France, although understand 15 minutes is not a lot of time!
@@Leadbetter500 The fact that politics wasn't a personal matter to a *King,* who I remind you is supposed to be appointed by God specifically to rule his kingdom, means that something was broken.
Actually, if i remember correctly, he wrote "nothing today" in his hunting journal. Like, I couldn't catch anything today. So it's not as bad as it seems, but it's a good little story non the less.
While I am loving these massive overviews of European and world history, I think it would be really cool to also produce series with greater granularity. I'd like to know more about the Celts for example and the history of the British isles that seem to have changed hands so many times; I'm sure there are many more countries with fascinating histories that I don't even know about; and I'd really appreciate history of eastern countries like Japan or China since they both held entire empires, intricate social customs, inventions, art, redistributions of power etc. that we never learnt about in school.
Okay John. You have gotten this wrong on every French Revolution related history video, and I finally feel the need to correct you in comments. The most recent prior gathering of the Estates General had each estate casting a single vote as an order. However, in the lead up to the 1789 gathering, there was a popular call to "Double the Third and vote by head." The monarchy vacillated on this (putting out statements that the Estates General would follow its traditional rules), but eventually agreed to double the number of representatives for the Third Estate, but remained silent as to whether the votes would be taken by head or by order. When the Estates General convened, their first order of business was to take attendence, which was done by order. The Third Estate believed that this meant that all votes would be taken by order and refused to transact any official business as a separate order. The Tennis Court Oath came about when, during this whole deal, the Third Estate was locked out of its meeting room (possibly for non-political reasons like preparing it for another use), which the Third Estate took to mean that it was being disenfranchised because of their refusal to transact business.
I know that Crash Course has only 15 minutes to give a synopsis of broad events, the French Revolution being one of the most complicated historical events out there, but I feel that you have dropped the ball. Viewers already questioned 'let them eat cake', Napoleon being part of the minor nobility, making a scapegoat of Robespierre etc. You ignored how liberal nobles and clergy joined the third estate and supported them. You also ignored France's hatred of Austria, the Diamond Neckless affair, The September Massacres where thousands were killed as a radical journalist jean-Paul Marat incited panic and fear. Many people at the time had different opinions on was the Revolution was a success or not, some felt it went too far while others believed it didn't go far enough.
I agree, there is no way anyone can sum up the French Revolution to a high degree of accuracy in 15 minutes. The sources in the description only indicate Lynn Hunt was used. She's not a bad historian of the Revolution by any means, but by not even mentioning François Alphonse Aulard, François Furet, or Alexis de Tocqueville is just odd. Not to discredit Hunt, but the others were basically pioneers of the Revolution's historiography. The nobles and clergy of Blois were willing to sacrifice their tax exemption and supported some of the more liberal reforms. But that gets overlooked? It's also damning that there is no substantial pre-revolutionary discourse, which is extremely important to understanding the early phase of the Revolution.
@@vivianmax7422 This 100%. Hunt is not a bad historian, but she is in the wake of other revisionists that did just a good a job as her. It's especially strange that Tocqueville, one of the very first of the Revolution's historiography, isn't cited, given how omnipresent he is in every other major book on the Revolution. I get that he couldn't cover the very notable nobles and clergy of Blois and every cahier, but saying that the aristocracy was just there and was rich discredits their role in the revolution too much. For the pre-revolutionary discourse, yeah rising bread prices and such were important, but that and bankruptcy isn't why one of the most notable events in modern history happened John. I cannot and will not recommend this video to anyone. I simply can't in good faith have someone watch this.
It's a lot more complicated than that (and more complicated than Crash Course could ever cover). The wars started before Napoléon had any power and his reign inherited the repercussions of a French victory in the French Revolutionary Wars. Europe likewise very much wanted to make war on him. Britain explicitly said it would accept no lasting peace until France accepted pre-1789 borders. See also the instances where in 1806 Prussia single-handedly declared war on France, starting a pointless and suicidal war (Napoléon even said it was pointless when offering a cease-fire). And again in 1809 when Austria, without even a declaration of war, invaded French territory in hopes of a surprise attack, resulting in a highly destructive war. European coalitions formed to remove the French Republic, which preceded Napoléon, and were not going to accept the government that followed.
I think focussing on Robespierre as 'the' scapegoat for revolutionary violence is too simplistic since it ignores the dynamic of the girondin, center, mountain etc.. Most of the executions happenned when he was off committee, himself executed and afterward. Robespierre made lots of ennemies by being opposed to slavery, economic property as sacred, military interventions. He was a weird quasi-secular deist who wished to put on maximum on the price of bread and spread revolutionary ideals through missionaries not soldiers. His body was degraded with fire and lime, separated and buried at many sites to prevent cults and dissidents forming around his death. The advantages for the state of a 10 days a week calendar is also that people would then work 9/10 of the times instead of 6/7.
It's true the atrocities of the Committee of Public Safety can be blamed pretty evenly across the members and Robespierre himself was against the wholesale slaughter that was being committed out in the provinces but by the end he had completely abandoned his former ideals of religious tolerance and being against the death penalty. His "Republic of Virtue" speech was basically a call for the reign of terror to go on everywhere forever.
Robespierre was a great man of the revolution. Politicians of Thermidorian reaction naturally had to put blame on someone to keep power and they successfully placed it on Robespierre, Jacobin club and Sans-culottes.
France: Hey, America, can I copy your homework? America (writing the Declaration of Independence): Yeah, but just don't make it too obvious. France: Oh, don't worry. *It won't be.*
TheTacoMan. The American constitution is just English law and precepts written on one document. Except for slavery of course. In 1772 a judge ruled that slavery could not exist under ancient English law. From that moment slavery ended in England and a year later in Scotland. (It took longer to end slavery in the Carabbean because different laws applied, but it was ruled illegal in 1833.) I wonder what those freedom-loving slave owners Washington and Franklin thought about it. “Bring on the Revolution” I expect.
I'm not really sure if you're being antagonistic or agreeing with me in any way, but I was just making a joke on the fact that the French Revolution was partially inspired by the American one.
TheTacoMan. I think you completely misunderstand the situation. The American Revolution was specifically about becoming independent from Britain. Apart from thinking the “King” should be elected (but still essentially a king) that was just about it. You continued with most of English law and precepts. So unlike the French Revolution your revolution wasn’t particularly about a revolution of ideas because they were already in existence. American property owners had the vote, for instance. In modern times, all the great ideas about the government of the people were encapsulated in the “Glorious Revolution” of 1688/9. The Bill of Rights, elections every three years etc etc. Then in the 1690s limitations to free speech were removed. Things have moved on since then of course (votes for woman etc) but by 1776 the basic standards of modern democracy were already in place. So the American Revolution was a completely different thing and could not be an inspiration to the French at that time. Though later a particular French man, whose name I can’t spell, did use the word “exceptionalism” in reference to America. A word that went to the American head to bad effect (in my opinion).
I hope you will cover the Greek War of Independence and its consequences. It's left out of european history books and courses too often because it's a revolution overshadowed by the French one and the Napoleonic Wars.
Dear John, I love your work and listen to your productions. This one is rife with inaccuaracies. Queen Marie Antoinette never said, 'let them eat cake'. that phrase was first recorded in 1761 when she was six. And there are a lot, lot more.
France: No more absolute monarchs! Napoleon: Hold my croissant France: No more absolute monarchs! Napoleon 3: Hold my croissant France: No more more absolute monarchs! Napoleon 4: Hold my- France: Stop that!
Hey, CC team, I have a HUGE ask: could you please cross reference (in the Doobley-Doo) ALL the CC episodes across ALL CC channels that are relevant or related to the current episode? I know that's insane. But it would be AWESOME. Especially for those of us who teach in extremely non-traditional education programs. ❤️❤️❤️
3:55 Ive read that when Louis wrote "nothing happened" in his diary he was referring to his hunting record, as in he hadn't bagged any animals. I don't think he would have missed vast crowds of peasants parading past
c'mon guys this is meant to be a classy show ,everyone knows Marie Antoinette never said the bread thing .It was a popular joke long before she even came to power . Also Napoleon was above average height ffs this is meant to be a crash course video I expect a little more accuracy than r/todayilearned . I FEEL LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!!!
That's why he said, when introducing Napoleon, "the not particularly short". They just couldn't help making a joke at the end, which is apparently something that Anglo-American culture values. :D
@@silvasilvasilva yes what he he said was not technically incorrect but the way john brought it up would definitely have made me think the wrong thing (if i wasnt a sad pedant who already knew this was untrue)
By the way, Marie Antoinette never said "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" it was revolutionary propaganda like a lot of things we "know" about her and Louis. that saying, in particular, was used about other nobles up to 50 years BEFORE the Revolution. It was more of a coded slogan than anything.
I’m disappointed in how they portrayed the women’s march. They made it sound like these women went to Versailles strictly to force the royal family to go to Paris. In actuality it started because of the scarcity of bread and these women were protesting mass starvation...
As others have noted, this one was a tough one for John and the team. In my History course at the College, even as a survey course, we have to slow down a ton here because of how convoluted this was. I think John should have made this at least two, if not three videos even before getting to Napoleon. Just the role of Paris operating as its own character in the story, often not directly aligned with the more official actions of the revolution demands more in order to understand, or even just get the overview well. The 1791 Constitution should have been the end of the Revolution, but of course was not due to multiple reasons which then led into further and new revolutions. The Paris Commune, the White Terror, the role of Abbe Sieyes, Danton, Marat, etc...are all vital, even in an overview.
One of the big players in the anti-royalist movement in France and one of Napoleons main men was Jean Baptiste Bernadotte. He wrote open letters to the major newspapers of Europe declaring "Being a republican both by principle and by conviction, I want to fight all royalists to my death.". He is later known as Charles XIV John (Karl XIV Johan) King of Sweden. Founder of the current royal family of Sweden, the Bernadottes.
To all the people yelling about the Marie Antoinette quote not being from her, they already covered that in world history, and most people alive today know she didn't say that. The reason it stays in the popular imagination is it perfectly encapsulates how much the monarchy could not relate to or help the people, which was the the cause of the revolution. No need to Ummmm actually them for something they've already said.
Thanks, this was great. Very interesting and entertaining. I don't care who, if anyone, actually said the Let them eat cake thing. It's a funny story to help along the greater picture. Also brioche is effing delicious.
Marie Antoinette most likely never said 'let them eat cake'. Also, in her childhood, her mother made her children do charity work like handing out food to the poor. It is true that she was racking up a lot of debt (which her husband payed off), but I think that is rather the fault of the environment that Versailles created. The French public hated her, in part because of her spending, in part because she was Austrian.
You clearly don't know anything about Robespierre. He advocated against the death penalty, freedom of religion and many other great causes. He was a good man. The French Revolution was told by anti Jacobin, who re wrote the history to match their political views. Recent studies show that Robespierre was far from the bloody and merciless man described. He was quite the opposite. By since historian have failed to set the record straight for 2 centuries, this false reputation sticks to him.
Never thought someone would mention the Brabant revolutions in Habsburg Netherlands what led to a short lived (1 year ) precursur of modern day Belgium (being called the united states of Belgium in English)
History doesn't necessarily repeat itself, but it does rhyme from time to time.
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Two years old and still going strong :-)
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"Let's overthrow the palace and cut all their heads off"
Death to democracy.
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A video about the French Revolution? Yeah, there’s a tax for that.
Ah, man of culture.
To the guillotine!
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Hi John.
Frenchie here. It's well known that the famous "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" of Jean Jacques Rousseau's Confession is often attributed to be about Marie Antoinette.
However most french do know that this was misattributed. There are no known records of Marie Antoinette saying those words.
Most likely they are about Madame Victoire. The French wiki article is well documented on this topic.
Regards,
French spotted... mind sharing how the French Revolution is taught in your education system? How is it different from this video? Is the French Revolution viewed very positively?
Also, wasn't there was a lot of political satire printed during this time? Could it have just been from one of those?
Danielle
That could be a major reason it became so dang popular...bet one guy made a political joke that made people believe it happened only to cause such severe anxiety to the then pesentry that it proved a spark to the anger of the time...
I'm pretty sure that he knows. John said "reportedly", and in an earlier episode called her Marie "I didn't say let them eat cake" Antionette
@@arandomcomment1092 well the insight of this episode on the contrary suggest that the "I didn't tell them to eat cake" was more a reference on how Brioche is not really a cake, we just assumed he knew that she did say it.
Clicked faster than a guillotine coming down on a noble
That's fast.
Why stop at nobles! - without pants club
Or Robespierre...
I know you don't usually focus much on the military side, but the concept of changing France into a nation of citizens is a huge factor in France's military success both before and during Napoleon's reign. Other countries would field royal, professional armies, but France mobilised its people into huge armies that could more easily weather defeats or casualties compared to its rivals. So everyone looked at the French armies and said "Oh wow, they can just recruit anyone? We have to do that too!" and thus, by necessity, the other European countries at the time also had to change, arguably even democratise, their military mindset.
Did somebody say *revolution*
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Haven’t historians pretty much confirmed that Marie Antoinette didn’t say let them eat brioche? It was first written down while she was a child, and it is more likely that it was Marie-Therese or someone else entirely
It was “Theorized at the time” that she did...
She probably didn’t actually say that, though it made the then grumbling pesentry become ever more militant/against the monarchy....
Proving that rumours, can be just as dangerious as truths...
@@kyokyoniizukyo7171 unfortunately propaganda was flooding France at the time and led to a lot more bloodshed
I had read that Marie Antoinette did say something about sweet bread, but that was after a handmaid of hers let something slip about food and Antoinette insisted to know why she was so hungry. The woman explained and Antoinette stood up and said,"if they are hungry, then let them eat sweet bread" referring to her own stores of food from the royal palace. Antoinette continued donating food but at some point her generosity only made it clearer that no matter how much she gave something needed to change at the deepest levels of society. No nation can live on donations from a single person. Unfortunately, history only remembers her decadence, which she did not curtail. She didn't hand the food out personally so most people didn't know or care where it came from, they only cared that it still wasnt close to enough. It seemed a pittance, even to the starving. Yes she was disconnected and wasteful but to call her uncaring is wrong. When she was no longer sheltered from the truth she tried and gave mightily, it just wasnt ever going to be enough. She didn't have the power or the time to fix france, but she did something when many did nothing and that should count for something. Thanks for speaking up about her, too few do. Was she a hero? No. Did she deserve the blade? Also no.
To the best of my knowledge. She never did say “let them eat cake.” She might have said something that sounded similar but not that. However, this quote is a good way of showing how she saw the world and what she thought of those below her even if she didn’t actually say it
Yeah i agree from what i have seen she didn't say that our anything like that and instead it was just propaganda to demonize her so people would be more willing to chop off her head
Crash Course European videos are what I turn to when I'm feeling down and out
French citizens: we don’t want anymore monarchs!
Napoleon: hold my croissant
Like he glossed over, Louis XVI was only deposed and executed at a narrow majority, his execution was carried with an only 1 vote difference.
The Revolution being anti-monarchist is unfortunately a misconception that I'm disappointed wasn't debunked here. Only the most extremes of Jacobins initially wanted the Republic most people wanted to carry on with the Constitutional Monarchy, and peasants didn't even think possible a government without King.
It's only through a succession of events that galvanized the populist factions (not quite unlike what is happening currently) did the atmosphere switch to more and more anti-monarchist. Ironically, the King, in wanting to flee, and the other Kings in wanting to save the French Monarchy led to the loss of trust into the King and his eventual downfall, but the Revolution never was from the start about wanting to end the Monarchy. That's why Napoléon was so quickly accepted, a lot of the reactionaries were tired and wanted peace back (like in 68 where it was the counter-protestation of the Right that ended the events of May).
They got Napoleon the first Emperor of France still Absolute control until Waterloo when Napoleon was beaten by the coalitions.
Boring joke
They did have quite a few monarchs after the revolution
Caramichael He goes into depth about that in his World History episode on the revolution. How it evolved and how it’s ideologies changed and how revolutionary it really was
um actually, napoleon was not a commoner. he come from an empovrished corsican noble family. he enjoyed expensive education and was a lieutenant when he joined the army.
Pretty big oversight from Crash Course. It's in the first sentence on his 'early life' on wikipedia even.
The first chapters in any biography on him talk about his expensive education in a prestigious boarding school in France.
@@MrArthurvonGhent There are a lot of oversight, oversimplification, and overall misconceptions that are carried on, really sad.
@@LadCarmichael Maybe they'll have to rectify that stuff, and even make another video if it's that bad.
@@VashdaCrash Honestly my hope, they should scrap this episode entirely and go back to reading books on the subjects because this video is only spreading misconceptions and is really not on par with the others.
He envoyed a good French education but that didn't make a Artistocrat out of him. He ended up walking around in Paris, poor and alone during the revolution. He is a real man of the people especially when you know that he evolved in the military not by money but by his talent alone because in the begining he was only an artillery officer. That's why during the hundred days (when he came back from exile), no soldier nor people wanted to kill him but instead greet him as their true natural leader.
Loving this series! I used this channel as a student in school and university. Now I am a high school teacher recommending my students watch your videos! :)
I just wanted to congratulate Crash Course History for evolving in the right direction regarding tempo and speed. There was too much action for most people to truly learn anything in the first seasons of Crash Course history. From an educational perspective, this series on European history is way better.
10:57 One potentially important clarification. Napoleon wasn't a commoner, but by this point, most nobles had either renounced their titles of nobility or fled the country.
My high school history class lives off of these videos! Thanks so much for what you do
When the revolution tried to "rationalize" everything according to the decimal system (ten months, ten-day weeks, metric measurements), they ended up hurting the poor even more. The Catholic calendar had one rest day for six workdays, Sunday, while the new calendar had one rest day for nine workdays. A reminder that people in charge of the revolutionary government were never the poorest of the poor, but rather disgruntled middle-class idealists.
For all of those who are quick to point out that Marie Antoinette never actually said “Let them eat cake/brioche” Two things. 1. He mentioned that she never actually said that in his World History episode on the subject and 2. Even though she never said that, that quote does a good job summarizing how she saw the world.
i hope everything is okay, your energy seems different.
This needs to be answered
Proloza Loser seems fine to me lol. I’m glad it’s toned down a bit, it’s a lot easier for me to actually follow since he’s not just ripping through everything.
Duly noted. White hair + lower energy. We get old after all.
Your saying in comparison too his prior last video of this frence revolution topic. Yeah his tone has changed. When u see what has happened with today and socity polerising, it's gotten quite serious. U see that life and history is quite very much intertwine in itself. Perhaps it dosnt become history of it's own self period and today is better yes but our human condition hasn't changed as much. HIstory repeats itself, no matter how different. It's just a way of living and struggles on it. But this video sheds light on history. And I'm happy to watch them.
As a teacher who sometimes assigns his videos, I think he may have intentionally slowed down to increase comprehension. I, for one, appreciate it.
The “let them eat brioche” line almost certainly was not said by Marie Antoinette, if it was said by anyone at all, given that the line was first reported before Marie Antoinette was born
This is honestly garbled, some basic facts are wrong Napoleon was absolutely not a commoner, some fairly important details are omitted (civil constitution of the clergy and the Levee en Masse being the standouts) and the chronology is just confused the royalist uprising in the Vendée wasn’t a reaction against the terror the two events happened basically simultaneously.
He was not a commoner per say but he did rise thanks to the new dynamics in place. As for the royalist uprising, of course these were simultaneous but that doesn't mean it was not a reaction to it. He had to start from the Revolution to explain the counter-revolution.
Alexander Turnbull I assume he is saying that because of the short amount of time in the video, sacrificing accuracy for speed and truth for novelty for something more inspiring than the actual facts of his upbringing. He is taking the audience into account. This is UA-cam where I assume the majority of the watchers are not as well informed as maybe those with formal higher education
Alexander Turnbull I would argue that Napoleon may not have been a commoner in his youth, but he was closer to a commoner by the time of the French Revolution
@@MortalWombat4480 I mean every one was a commoner they abolished feudalism it was kinda their jam. But his family were nobles minor provincial (near foreign) nobles, but nobles none the less.
OMU!! There is more CC videos then there are galaxies in the observable universe. Just whatever I'm in the mood for. So great.
"Let them eat cake" was said long before Marie Antoinette, there's no proof she said it
Indeed, and reading the wiki entry shows that Marie Antoinette was sympathetic to the peasants according to one letter she wrote to her family in Austria.
"It is quite certain that in seeing the people who treat us so well despite their own misfortune, we are more obliged than ever to work hard for their happiness. The King seems to understand this truth."
In fact there's pretty hefty counter evidence to her ever having said that, in that, there are records of that line, attributed to other people, from decades before she was even born!
She also supported many charities for the poor. It peeves me that history is still not kind to her just because she was on the losing side. While the monarchy was a huge problem, she was not the cause of Frances’ woes. She was the right queen at the wrong time.
@@Madhattersinjeans She was naive though because the king did not understand that truth he did things when she nagged him to do it, but always the bare minimum to get her to shut up.
@@YukiteruAmano92 Well tehcnically the first written source of it we have is after she was born, in one of Voltaire's books, (published when she was 3 years old) but he remarks on it as an old story.
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Thank you so much! I literally have a midterm on the French revolution this Saturday so this great overview really saves me!
Do you guys have any idea how much you help us.... A LOT
This video is lousy with historical inaccuracies and I'm glad the comments are pointing them out.
I have my AP European History Exam in 3 hours, hope it goes well!
@3:09 Fun fact: the etymology of the name sometimes used for the press, the Fourth Estate, comes from this organization of the French Estates General. One version attributes it to Edmund Burke, when he applied it to the press in England in 1787. Others, from the early 1800s in France.
It gets weird in the Nordic countries where there were always 4 wastes, Nobles Priests Burgers and Peasants
It's certainly a fact - I wouldn't describe it as fun though.
Two Crash Courses about the French Revolution by the same presenter 7 years apart and holy! things have changed
Love your work John, and understand the difficulties of a 15 minute overview. But while things like whether Marie Antoinette made the brioche comment or whether the tennis court oath actually happened in a tennis court are sort of by the by, it would have been good to note that it was actually France that declared war on Austria in 1791. This is significant because, at the time, the French provisional government saw war as a means by which to both unite the French people at home and raise revolutionary fervor across Europe. It also would have been good to get a bit on the peasant uprisings in regional France, although understand 15 minutes is not a lot of time!
good luck fellow exam takers!
Im about to die on this exam, I wonder if there’s a support group for the euro test lmao
@@bowmaster8848 ikr i need a therapist for my ap euro exam PTSD
John Green should get an honorary masters degree or a PhD on the French revolution at this stage
I WOULD LOVEEEE IT IF CRASH COURSE HAD AN ACCOUNTING COURSE!!❤️️.
Louis XVI only wrote about personal events in his journal, he never wrote about politics.
Exactly!! Just because he didn't write them in his journal doesn't mean he was unaware!
@@Leadbetter500 The fact that politics wasn't a personal matter to a *King,* who I remind you is supposed to be appointed by God specifically to rule his kingdom, means that something was broken.
@@Arrakiz666 Actually more along the line that he had ministers appointed to do that.
When you "are the state" nothing is more personal than politics.
Actually, if i remember correctly, he wrote "nothing today" in his hunting journal. Like, I couldn't catch anything today. So it's not as bad as it seems, but it's a good little story non the less.
While I am loving these massive overviews of European and world history, I think it would be really cool to also produce series with greater granularity. I'd like to know more about the Celts for example and the history of the British isles that seem to have changed hands so many times; I'm sure there are many more countries with fascinating histories that I don't even know about; and I'd really appreciate history of eastern countries like Japan or China since they both held entire empires, intricate social customs, inventions, art, redistributions of power etc. that we never learnt about in school.
"Say 'brioche'."
"Briogge."
"Aha. Aren't you going to France soon?"
"Oui!"
Maybe he'll visit the Jah Coban Club (it's Jacob-in, and yes, I know it's his thing).
Bon appetite my bros
@@crissycrossgaming ok but would you die for Claire tho?
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where's "me from the past"? I miss that dude
very good sessions , making history more apparent , concise . Compliments au chefs ! :D
Great video! History is so important. Gotta know where you’ve been to better yourself for the future!
Wait I didn’t think Marie Antoinette said “let them eat cake or sweet bread” that was from a satirical work by Rousseau.
I think Voltaire, at any rate the book it's from came out long before Marie Antoinette was queen of france, she was 3 years old at the time.
She didn’t say it.
Okay John. You have gotten this wrong on every French Revolution related history video, and I finally feel the need to correct you in comments. The most recent prior gathering of the Estates General had each estate casting a single vote as an order. However, in the lead up to the 1789 gathering, there was a popular call to "Double the Third and vote by head." The monarchy vacillated on this (putting out statements that the Estates General would follow its traditional rules), but eventually agreed to double the number of representatives for the Third Estate, but remained silent as to whether the votes would be taken by head or by order. When the Estates General convened, their first order of business was to take attendence, which was done by order. The Third Estate believed that this meant that all votes would be taken by order and refused to transact any official business as a separate order. The Tennis Court Oath came about when, during this whole deal, the Third Estate was locked out of its meeting room (possibly for non-political reasons like preparing it for another use), which the Third Estate took to mean that it was being disenfranchised because of their refusal to transact business.
I know that Crash Course has only 15 minutes to give a synopsis of broad events, the French Revolution being one of the most complicated historical events out there, but I feel that you have dropped the ball.
Viewers already questioned 'let them eat cake', Napoleon being part of the minor nobility, making a scapegoat of Robespierre etc.
You ignored how liberal nobles and clergy joined the third estate and supported them. You also ignored France's hatred of Austria, the Diamond Neckless affair, The September Massacres where thousands were killed as a radical journalist jean-Paul Marat incited panic and fear.
Many people at the time had different opinions on was the Revolution was a success or not, some felt it went too far while others believed it didn't go far enough.
I agree, there is no way anyone can sum up the French Revolution to a high degree of accuracy in 15 minutes. The sources in the description only indicate Lynn Hunt was used. She's not a bad historian of the Revolution by any means, but by not even mentioning François Alphonse Aulard, François Furet, or Alexis de Tocqueville is just odd. Not to discredit Hunt, but the others were basically pioneers of the Revolution's historiography. The nobles and clergy of Blois were willing to sacrifice their tax exemption and supported some of the more liberal reforms. But that gets overlooked? It's also damning that there is no substantial pre-revolutionary discourse, which is extremely important to understanding the early phase of the Revolution.
@@vivianmax7422 This 100%. Hunt is not a bad historian, but she is in the wake of other revisionists that did just a good a job as her. It's especially strange that Tocqueville, one of the very first of the Revolution's historiography, isn't cited, given how omnipresent he is in every other major book on the Revolution. I get that he couldn't cover the very notable nobles and clergy of Blois and every cahier, but saying that the aristocracy was just there and was rich discredits their role in the revolution too much.
For the pre-revolutionary discourse, yeah rising bread prices and such were important, but that and bankruptcy isn't why one of the most notable events in modern history happened John.
I cannot and will not recommend this video to anyone. I simply can't in good faith have someone watch this.
Narrative of blaming Marat for the revolutionary violence needs to stop.
MrDraconder you should watch oversimplified French Revolution
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I like how he remade hie video on the french revolution this is really well made
Je suis français 🇨🇵 très bonne vidéo 👍
I have an exam tomorrow. Thank you
this is now school, since my teacher is too busy getting married and doing exams during a pandemic
Thank you for explaining why Napoleon went to war with the rest of Europe after coming to power. I never quite understood that.
It's a lot more complicated than that (and more complicated than Crash Course could ever cover). The wars started before Napoléon had any power and his reign inherited the repercussions of a French victory in the French Revolutionary Wars. Europe likewise very much wanted to make war on him. Britain explicitly said it would accept no lasting peace until France accepted pre-1789 borders. See also the instances where in 1806 Prussia single-handedly declared war on France, starting a pointless and suicidal war (Napoléon even said it was pointless when offering a cease-fire). And again in 1809 when Austria, without even a declaration of war, invaded French territory in hopes of a surprise attack, resulting in a highly destructive war. European coalitions formed to remove the French Republic, which preceded Napoléon, and were not going to accept the government that followed.
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I think focussing on Robespierre as 'the' scapegoat for revolutionary violence is too simplistic since it ignores the dynamic of the girondin, center, mountain etc.. Most of the executions happenned when he was off committee, himself executed and afterward. Robespierre made lots of ennemies by being opposed to slavery, economic property as sacred, military interventions. He was a weird quasi-secular deist who wished to put on maximum on the price of bread and spread revolutionary ideals through missionaries not soldiers. His body was degraded with fire and lime, separated and buried at many sites to prevent cults and dissidents forming around his death. The advantages for the state of a 10 days a week calendar is also that people would then work 9/10 of the times instead of 6/7.
It's true the atrocities of the Committee of Public Safety can be blamed pretty evenly across the members and Robespierre himself was against the wholesale slaughter that was being committed out in the provinces but by the end he had completely abandoned his former ideals of religious tolerance and being against the death penalty. His "Republic of Virtue" speech was basically a call for the reign of terror to go on everywhere forever.
Cultists, finding robespierre's body: you could make a religion out of thi-
Committee of public safety: no don't
Vive Robespierre!!!
Robespierre was a great man of the revolution. Politicians of Thermidorian reaction naturally had to put blame on someone to keep power and they successfully placed it on Robespierre, Jacobin club and Sans-culottes.
Monsieur, are you perhaps missing the point of 'Crash Course' History?
This is what I’m learning next.
Jayden Smith bought you guys a studio, or paid for upgrades on one, so you can keep giving out knowledge for free? That’s pretty awesome.
This brings me back
France: Hey, America, can I copy your homework?
America (writing the Declaration of Independence): Yeah, but just don't make it too obvious.
France: Oh, don't worry.
*It won't be.*
Americas is still awful, unlike the french one.
Ehm.. The US still had slaves when the French constitution was written.
TheTacoMan. The American constitution is just English law and precepts written on one document. Except for slavery of course.
In 1772 a judge ruled that slavery could not exist under ancient English law. From that moment slavery ended in England and a year later in Scotland. (It took longer to end slavery in the Carabbean because different laws applied, but it was ruled illegal in 1833.)
I wonder what those freedom-loving slave owners Washington and Franklin thought about it. “Bring on the Revolution” I expect.
I'm not really sure if you're being antagonistic or agreeing with me in any way, but I was just making a joke on the fact that the French Revolution was partially inspired by the American one.
TheTacoMan. I think you completely misunderstand the situation. The American Revolution was specifically about becoming independent from Britain. Apart from thinking the “King” should be elected (but still essentially a king) that was just about it. You continued with most of English law and precepts.
So unlike the French Revolution your revolution wasn’t particularly about a revolution of ideas because they were already in existence. American property owners had the vote, for instance.
In modern times, all the great ideas about the government of the people were encapsulated in the “Glorious Revolution” of 1688/9. The Bill of Rights, elections every three years etc etc. Then in the 1690s limitations to free speech were removed. Things have moved on since then of course (votes for woman etc) but by 1776 the basic standards of modern democracy were already in place.
So the American Revolution was a completely different thing and could not be an inspiration to the French at that time. Though later a particular French man, whose name I can’t spell, did use the word “exceptionalism” in reference to America. A word that went to the American head to bad effect (in my opinion).
I hope you will cover the Greek War of Independence and its consequences. It's left out of european history books and courses too often because it's a revolution overshadowed by the French one and the Napoleonic Wars.
Robespierre pulling that guillotine lever like he's at a Vegas slot machine
Dear John, I love your work and listen to your productions. This one is rife with inaccuaracies. Queen Marie Antoinette never said, 'let them eat cake'. that phrase was first recorded in 1761 when she was six. And there are a lot, lot more.
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The comments here are pointing out other inaccuracies of this video
You should cover Napolean next, also what was happening in other nations and territories at this time?
Been waiting for this .Can't wait
Thank you John Green. Very Cool.
Gotta put this in the european history playlist
Please add this to the European History playlist...
France: No more absolute monarchs!
Napoleon: Hold my croissant
France: No more absolute monarchs!
Napoleon 3: Hold my croissant
France: No more more absolute monarchs!
Napoleon 4: Hold my-
France: Stop that!
it's been seven years since your last french revolution ... you seem to be more composed and relaxed now... regards
i have exactly 15mins left to study so thank you😂😂
I'm a fan of John's shirts. I need that cool dad look.
Great video, thank you very much , note to self(nts) watched all of it 15:05
Hey, CC team, I have a HUGE ask: could you please cross reference (in the Doobley-Doo) ALL the CC episodes across ALL CC channels that are relevant or related to the current episode? I know that's insane. But it would be AWESOME. Especially for those of us who teach in extremely non-traditional education programs. ❤️❤️❤️
3:55 Ive read that when Louis wrote "nothing happened" in his diary he was referring to his hunting record, as in he hadn't bagged any animals. I don't think he would have missed vast crowds of peasants parading past
”Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive; but to be young was very heaven.”
This video is currently missing from the European History playlist.
c'mon guys this is meant to be a classy show ,everyone knows Marie Antoinette never said the bread thing .It was a popular joke long before she even came to power . Also Napoleon was above average height ffs this is meant to be a crash course video I expect a little more accuracy than r/todayilearned . I FEEL LIKE IM TAKING CRAZY PILLS!!!!!
That's why he said, when introducing Napoleon, "the not particularly short". They just couldn't help making a joke at the end, which is apparently something that Anglo-American culture values. :D
@@varana yeah il admit i missed that first time around but in my defence the comment section is no place for nuance
And about Marie Antoinette, he said the phrase was "attributed" to her, not that she said it.
@@silvasilvasilva yes what he he said was not technically incorrect but the way john brought it up would definitely have made me think the wrong thing (if i wasnt a sad pedant who already knew this was untrue)
By the way, Marie Antoinette never said "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche" it was revolutionary propaganda like a lot of things we "know" about her and Louis. that saying, in particular, was used about other nobles up to 50 years BEFORE the Revolution. It was more of a coded slogan than anything.
I’m disappointed in how they portrayed the women’s march. They made it sound like these women went to Versailles strictly to force the royal family to go to Paris. In actuality it started because of the scarcity of bread and these women were protesting mass starvation...
Ah, wonderful
Cue "Some heads are gonna roll" by Judas Priest
We're learning this right now... just started today... creepy
As others have noted, this one was a tough one for John and the team. In my History course at the College, even as a survey course, we have to slow down a ton here because of how convoluted this was. I think John should have made this at least two, if not three videos even before getting to Napoleon. Just the role of Paris operating as its own character in the story, often not directly aligned with the more official actions of the revolution demands more in order to understand, or even just get the overview well. The 1791 Constitution should have been the end of the Revolution, but of course was not due to multiple reasons which then led into further and new revolutions. The Paris Commune, the White Terror, the role of Abbe Sieyes, Danton, Marat, etc...are all vital, even in an overview.
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One of the big players in the anti-royalist movement in France and one of Napoleons main men was Jean Baptiste Bernadotte. He wrote open letters to the major newspapers of Europe declaring "Being a republican both by principle and by conviction, I want to fight all royalists to my death.".
He is later known as Charles XIV John (Karl XIV Johan) King of Sweden. Founder of the current royal family of Sweden, the Bernadottes.
It is kind of sad(?) to see John Green being very energetic back in US History and very calm now. Oh what can time do to ppl.
Thank you, John Green. Thank you.
To all the people yelling about the Marie Antoinette quote not being from her, they already covered that in world history, and most people alive today know she didn't say that. The reason it stays in the popular imagination is it perfectly encapsulates how much the monarchy could not relate to or help the people, which was the the cause of the revolution. No need to Ummmm actually them for something they've already said.
Really appreciate your input John Green
Thanks, this was great. Very interesting and entertaining. I don't care who, if anyone, actually said the Let them eat cake thing. It's a funny story to help along the greater picture. Also brioche is effing delicious.
Marie Antoinette most likely never said 'let them eat cake'. Also, in her childhood, her mother made her children do charity work like handing out food to the poor. It is true that she was racking up a lot of debt (which her husband payed off), but I think that is rather the fault of the environment that Versailles created. The French public hated her, in part because of her spending, in part because she was Austrian.
Next Robespierre will be shouting “War is peace”, “Freedom is slavery”, and “Ignorance is strength”
That sounds like Trump!
You clearly don't know anything about Robespierre. He advocated against the death penalty, freedom of religion and many other great causes. He was a good man.
The French Revolution was told by anti Jacobin, who re wrote the history to match their political views. Recent studies show that Robespierre was far from the bloody and merciless man described. He was quite the opposite. By since historian have failed to set the record straight for 2 centuries, this false reputation sticks to him.
What happened to John green he used to be so much more energetic now he seems depressed
But... didn't Marie Antoinette actually *not* say "let them eat cake"? I thought that was just something that got passed down.
Awesome and cool! ^_^
Why is this episode not part of the European history playlist?
Wow, that leadup sounds pretty familiar...
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Hey John, think you'll ever do a video on the Greek War of Independence?
French revolution still the best book I have ever read
Never thought someone would mention the Brabant revolutions in Habsburg Netherlands what led to a short lived (1 year ) precursur of modern day Belgium (being called the united states of Belgium in English)
You better cover next the Greek revolution and the rest of the Balkan countries about their fight for freedom against the ottomans.