You've captured some wonderful scenery and I know that you have personally seen a lot more than what you were able to share, thanks for the time and effort you put forth!
I had that same car, but upgraded to a model Y. Have to say that the new heat pump is absolutely fantastic! Get super hot air with very little battery usage, where before, you could watch the battery drop like crazy.
@@racecrashrepeat Have a '22 and the Ryzen processor, heated steering wheel, heated wipers, heat pump and 360 mile range are epic. Glad I waited at the end of '21 to recieve!
Your numbers seem pretty accurate to me. I calculated the fuel savings alone for my 2011 LEAF and found it saved about $1,000 for every 10,000 miles driven. So that would mean a fuel savings of about $20,000 for you. The Model 3 is more efficient than the LEAF so you might have seen a tad bit more in savings. Your final number is based on many other savings such as maintenance which adds up quickly.
Your mileage is respectable, I've had my long range RWD since May 2018 and I have 109,000 miles. Can't imagine logging another 91k in the same time period.
Thanks for the content! Just got my first Tesla a week ago. I adore it. I do agree with other comments, please just reduce the music in the background. I want to hear all you say a bit better. Thanks again!!
One note about battery capacity. The model 3 has a 3KWh reserve once it hits "0%". This means your actual battery capacity is more like 67.78KWh or 90.3% of the factory capacity.
Great video. With gas prices being around double in the UK the savings add up quicker. Plus you missed the resale value of a Tesla over a gas car which will be $$$s more in savings.
True Petrol much more expensive, but Electricity per KWh (~USD0.30/kwh) is double or triple the US (~USD0.12/kwh) , and UK has a Road tax on EV yes? that makes less of advantage
@@pablopicaro7649 The UK has a road fund license for all cars, I thought EV's got an exception but that may have expired. Electricity tariffs can be advantageous, time of use discounts for example can make charging an EV even cheaper. Solar adds miles at no extra cost. We can play what if all day. As always YMMV
@@pablopicaro7649 Hey good point about the Electricity cost difference but no UK road tax yet for EVs. We can also have cheap night time electric tariffs which really helps, not sure if that's an option in the US?
@@pablopicaro7649 Depends on the country and your situation. I charge only at home unless on a road trip. I have solar panels on my roof. Almost all my charging is during the day when it is sunny. Worst case is I lose what I would get as a feed-in tariff for my generation - less than the equivalent of 5 US cents per KWh, or around $US3.50 for a full charge, which gets me around 500 kms range. Can't get close to that with ICE car.
Just watched your 115k review video then this one. Very informative and well made, thank you! My 2020 LR has 18k miles right now but I hope some day to hit 200k+ like you!
0:35....how did you get that screenshot? is it a map of all the places in North America you have stopped for charging? Is there an app to generate that map? lol
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon - Tesla has issued refunds for people who had to previously pay for repairs that later became recall items. They should definitely refund you!
The way I think of degradation after owning a Model 3 has changed. Max range is kinda meaningless because I almost never have found myself needing to drive over 180 miles with no chargers available. All I really care about is can I make it from home/supercharger to supercharger/destination without having to spend a long time charging. Gas or ICE I seem to never be able to make more than 90 to 130 miles avg between stops (pee break for wife/kids) on a road trip. Seeing as that is about how close SC are in most cases (not all but getting there), that frequency of stopping means by the time the pee break is done and I've strapped the kids in again its probably time to leave. I'd expect that even with 20% degradation as long as fast charging speed is still good that I won't really notice the degradation on a road trip.
Max rated range isn't a meaningless number. Folks want to know their battery is holding up and isn't a lemon. Important if you plan on keeping a car for a good number of years.
@@SunriseLAW I really don't think I'd like that. I have a feeling that swap times would take about as long as charging in the best of times. I'd expect that it would also cost more and you'd spend more time waiting since there's likely to be only 1 swap bay at a lot of places, and it would probably would need a live human to supervise.
@@SunriseLAW People think they want swappable packs because they believe a lot of things about EVs that are simply not true of today's EVs. People still think that a road trip in an EV requires charging stops that last 4-6 hours every time you stop to charge. People still think every EV requires a new battery pack every 2-3 years of ownership. Hot swapping is an unnecessary complication. Fast charging just works. High capacity packs with active thermal management will last far longer than most people think they will.
@@SunriseLAW Doesn't mitigate anything. Just makes it cost more for no good reason Honestly a hot swap is the sort of thing the mfgs might try to foist on people just so that they can tie it to an ongoing subscription because you'll own nothing and be happy.
@@mattbrew11 Update : "This car recently got totaled by a rear end accident and I was given $45k by insurance." Tesla's are fantastic at retaining their value.
Very well done video :) I still love my Dec 2016 Model S 75D that I bought after retiring from the USAF at 38 as an E-6. I had a financial reason to buy it as well, but my job situation changed a few months after taking delivery and my commute went from 90 miles a day to 2.8 miles a day in Bay Area traffic. So now I only have 29,495 miles on it total, free supercharging for life of car, and little over 2 years on battery warranty that was also for unlimited miles. It also has full self driving if it ever gets released. I still love driving it and want to go across country again, it was such a great trip.
Interesting channel name "Voyage without Carbon". Carbon is the fundamental element for life on this planet. Without carbon you're not going to be making any voyage with your two legs.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Loved seeing some of the places you've driven too. I've got 25K on my exactly 1 year old 22 M3LR, looking forward to handing it down to my kids in a few years. Perhaps move up to an S or Cyber truck in then.. :)
Supercharging is 3x more expensive in the UK but here your insurance would pay for the fender. Even so $3k supply and fit is 2 or 3x what I’d expect to pay.
If I'm not mistaken, Tesla update the range of the LR to 325 miles, even for the older cars, so degradation calculated by both you and Tesla match quite well.
I also have a 2018 LR rwd and remember the updates. I remember one for sure but vaguely remember two. My service center says the update was only to 315 so either there was only one or they took one back. It’s a mystery to me.
Nice pictures and well done with the analysis. I find that my 2019 model 3 SR+ has deteriorated a little more than I expected. When I picked it up in August 2019, it had a max range of 250. I think it now has a max range of 235 which, if my calculations are correct, equates to a 6% decrease in range in 2 1/2 years. At one point, shortly after getting the car, the max range was supposed to have increased to 260 but I never saw that. That said, the Model 3 remains the best car I've ever owned and the most fun to drive. I'm getting just under 30,000 miles on the tires but then again, I have so much fun accelerating and cornering here in the mountains of western NC, that I would expect tires to be used up more than a regular ICE vehicle.
I know this reply is super late, but I just came across this video. Car and Driver did a 40,000 mile long term test on a 2019 Model 3. They stated that they had about 6% degradation by 20,000 miles, but then didn't have any degradation after that through 40,000 miles. It would be interesting to know if yours has followed a roughly similar curve?
Great video! I wish everyone had this information about Teslas, because they truly are the greatest cars ever built! Not only that, fun to drive, with lots of torque. Why wouldn’t you buy one, if you can afford one??
I chose not to buy one after examining the lousy panel gaps and ill fitting interior trim on the new Model 3 I looked at almost 3 years ago. I'd also watched Sandy Munro's video, where his organisation reverse engineered a Model 3. In addition to that, I'd also read comments on Tesla forums - from actual Tesla owners - complaining about the crappy customer after sales service. Plus I wasn't convinced I wanted to be part of Elon Musk's ego trip. I chose to go with a Kia eNiro instead, and over 2 years later, I don't regret it at all. Sorry, but there it is....
There is no Tesla I would buy. Tesla does not have a utility vehicle that I would want. They are all sedans. Is there a Tesla that can go where my Subaru Outback can go? NO. Is that enough of an answer?
@@georgesealy4706 yes, that’s enough. A Tesla isn’t for everyone. Thanks for sharing your opinion because it seems like you needed to tell everyone. Fortunately for shareholders, you’re just one person, and there aren’t many of you. In statistics, we call that “an outlier.”
@@Brian-om2hh Yeah, Elon is letting his ego get in the way. He funded the Tesla startup with his Paypal money (but he was not part of the original engineering or even subsequent I would guess, he likes to pretend or let others assume he was) He finally bought the whole company, also Tesla got 1/2 billion dollar loan from government (and helped by tax subsidies for buyers) (Tesla has paid back the gov loan) There is a good YT video on the carbon footprint (versus ICE/Hybrids), and at 200K miles it might be break even at best. And why ? Because most electrical energy produced in US is not green and Tesla car production has higher initial carb foot print (that might/should ??? come down in time). It is strange that other car companies have struggled with EV somewhat. I have been looking at EVs but I'm still evaluating.
Our Prius Prime has over 230k miles. It cost us 30k and there was a 7.5k rebate. That's a lot less than your 85k cost. We have had it for four and and a half years. That said, I have a MYP and love it.
Using your logic, my base model 3 (his was a long range) has 250k miles and cost me 35k. And the great thing is I don't have to feel embarrassed by driving a Prius 😛
85k cost? I haven’t finished the video yet. But if that’s his total cost (guessing it is), you should list your real total cost, which isn’t anywhere near $30k.
@@DoggoWillink Exactly! Also, different product and way different experience. I'd not want the Prius even if its TCO was lower (which I'm not sure it is).
Really good analysis. I see a lot of these type of videos and a lot of them try to bias the data one way or the other, but I thought you did a good job keeping it objective.
Are you buying EV tires or just regular tires? I'm still on my stock tires with my 2022 Model Y with 34K miles on them, if I rotated more often I'd be good probably to 50k if not a little more but I've only rotated once so the now front tires probably have 5k left in them but the rears (previous fronts) are good.
I started listening and was interested in what you had to say, but stopped because of the background music. The only thing it adds is distraction and annoyance.
Great video and thanks for sharing! I’m pretty sure my LR RWD Model 3 will outlive me. I plan to keep it for the rest of my life. I’m curious how your seats have held up? Are you considering to have them reupholstered at some point? Also, you didn’t mention anything about the 12V battery. Did you have to replace it?
Oh re:seats... The driver seat is a little rough in the lower back. not horrible but definitely worn. The rest are still fantastic but of course have gotten exponentially less use.
nice video and verry well explained, BUT ... what about the amount of time you spent charging? You allready stated that you used the superchargers more often then charging at home, so, time is money they say ... what about the time lost? Did you took that into consideration? what was the amount of time spent?
Great point! Hundreds of hours for me. Luckily I do a majority of work from my computer so I utilized that time to get stuff done but your average person may not be able to make the time as well spent. There are a few factors I think need to be taken into account when thinking about charging and the time wasted/utilized, If you are a person that needs to use superchargers a lot. 1. Are you planning your trip to where you may have to stop more by charging to a lower % but end up saving more time in the end by faster charge speeds when %is lower? If you keep your charge between 10-70% you usually only need to stop for 15/20 min which is the perfect amount of time for a pee break and grab a cup of coffee which takes up most of the charge time. A more enjoyable experience IMO than holding it for hundreds of miles till a tank of gas is empty. 2. How much time is usually wasted scrolling through a phone on a couch at home? This simply replaces that couch time. Not sure if most would replace the time or just still scroll as much at home. But in reality, yes. Charging on a road trip can add hours to a normal drive and that may not be acceptable to a lot of people.
@@Ghost-jy9hk Yes. That’s mostly at home charging at 8 cents KWh. Even if the cost were equal to gas I’d still drive electric. The driving experience is so much better.
Ouch, the maintenance may not seem too high to you but to me it seems high. Also, the TCO calculation should subtract the current value of the car. That said, my tco (prius) is roughly $.10 per mile with gas @$3… $.12 at $4 etc. EV’s will make more sense for average families when the initial cost drops below $30k for a civic/corolla level car and when charge points are more available.
I have a 2020 M3 SR+ with 83K miles. The only maintenance cost to me have been a new set of tires ($1000) at 80K miles, a set of windshield wipers ($25), windshield wiper fluid ($25) and a 12V battery ($114). Tire rotations are free at Discount Tires. All in all I can’t complain. Much cheaper to maintain my M3 than my previous ICE comutter cars
This is incredible. I'm at 162k now. Side note, if you paid for that trunk wire harness, it ended up being a recall and they refunded me for the cost I paid before it was a recall. My upper control arms only costed me $92 each.
Thinking about switching from my 4Runner to a used 18 or 19 Model 3 LR. I drive around 250 miles a day for work throughout Georgia and Alabama. I will charge at home mostly, but will probably have to use superchargers for my longer days. Would it be worth it, or a pain in the ass? Also my work pays me by the mile, and not for gas.
There also should be a 3-4KWh buffer in the battery that's not usable. From what I have seen you take that number out when calculating how much it's degraded. It should be more like 72KWh usable and not 75, that would give closer to 89% of the original usable capacity left.
Amazing! Love all the beautiful places you’ve been with your model 3! Just curious, how come you had to replace two of your front control arms? I knew there was a recall on those not sure if they are related?
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon there is no recall on the upper control arm noisy ball joints. Just a technical service bulletin that tells the technicians to seal around the ball joint if your car happens to be in service for something else. The sealant is supposed to keep moisture out of the joint.
Thx. Good review. 200k impressive over 4 years. You took it to a lot of very beautiful places. I have 2018 June lrm3 and love love my car. Would be hard to consider another brand & car as my experience has been wonderful with the lrm3.
Mann I’m 22 and recently got a 2021 Honda Accord for 40k which was ridiculous. I’m understanding now that was the biggest mistake I could’ve made so I’m giving the car back more so selling it and i will stack my money making it longer than the Golden Gate Bridge and buy my Model 3 flat out in the next 5-6 years. I’ll be 27-28-29 then and hopefully they’ll have many updated features and more efficient components then what it has to offer now, this car imo outweighs any car costing the same in its class for what you get
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon Ah ok. Probably would’ve been good to mention it (unless i missed it). Most people are not buying a Tesla in full and are financing it. Which you are forced to have full coverage for until you pay off the loan.
When I try to calculate the worth of EVs compared to gas vehicles, there's something I factor in, that most people don't. Time. Now for me, in considering an EV, I mainly do so for just a commuter car. In that scenario, I only charge it at home, overnight. But for someone like the man who made this video, he clearly spent many, many hours sitting at superchargers or other public chargers during the 200,000 miles he put on his Tesla. So what is that worth? Is your off time worth the same as what you might make hourly at work? Less? What if you only factored in $10 an hour for the time you spent waiting for charging in public locations? How much then is added to the total cost of ownership?
This is a very reasonable thought. Like you said, most people would charge their EV at night so not an issue but for me traveling this much, yes I spent hundreds of hours sitting at superchargers. Luckily I do about half of my work from my computer so that became a time for me to work opposed to sitting around doing nothing. So not really much of a factor of lost time/money. One side note I do like to point out is the amount of hours the average person sits on a couch watching tv or scrolling through their phone. The only difference now is it’s happening in your car opposed to a couch at home so in my opinion, not as much of a downside as some may initially think it is.
I think you have assumed that the value of your car is $0. In today's market I think your car is worth $25k so that should be subtracted from your total cost?
Can we focus on the control arm please? Why was it replaced? I'm assuming the greased joint failed. I find it very hard to believe that that is the only greased suspension joint that needed to be replaced after 200K miles. No other vehicle I know of, ICE or EV, is capable of having moving suspension joints go without replacing for that long. Note: for under $700 in part prices only I have replaced ALL of my front suspension joints on my GM truck (upper and lower control arms, sway bar links, upper and lower ball joints, and inner and outer steering arm joints. I've replaced them myself and they all have lifetime warranty on parts only.)
Yes I think both were the grease joints and you’re right it is hard to believe. Each time it was brought in to Tesla that’s all they said needed to be done though.
The 2018 M3 (First production year), some M3's had squeaky control arm joints. Something to do with the seals around the joint. They were replaced by Tesla under warranty. Mine started squeaking around 70K, and I was out of warranty. I greased them up and the sound went away. It just came back two weeks ago at 118K, so I went to the Tesla service center and they replaced them. Only charged me for parts, so it was around $350. That's the total of my maintenance / repair bill in 118,000 miles. I have two sets of tires, I have replaced the cabin air filters ($40) and wiper blades. (3rd party silicon blades, $60). Nothing else has worn or needed to be serviced or repaired.
I don’t know why you would think it’s unusual for suspension components to last 200k miles. My 185k Honda is all original and no issues. I did chuckle like you when he said $700 EACH was cheap
@@bob15479 Mark, let's be real here can we? Your Honda is what 2,700lbs? 😝 A Tesla starts at about 5,500lbs. Oh, and your Honda likely has an engine control developed by GM engineers. Honda also just signed a proprietary agreement with GM for Ultimum battery technology.
$12000 for fuel over 200000 miles! thats insane! I do Around £3000 in the UK for fuel a year 20,000 miles. I usually buy a second hand car ( every 4/5 years)with around 30,000miles and that cost me £55,500 for 200,000 miles(ish) and as mentiontioned , buying a car every 4/5 years because the damn thing is falling apart after say 100,000 miles. SOLD ! From every review I see, Tessla model 3 is the way forward ( 21 model , need that heat pump, its pretty cold here in Scotland in the winter!)
Tesla has hidden energy buffer, so the % shown for what you use is not exactly what is left in the battery. So 8% degradation is probably more accurate number. Since it's non-linear, you should be good for at least 600k before you hit 20%.
The Model 3 is an awesome car! But $2,300 in broken parts is nothing to brag about. My Ford PHEV had two FSB items that were free and then nothing broke for 184k miles. My in-town and highway operating costs are the same as an EV. The only added cost is oil changes every 25k miles.
I keep thinking about getting a model 3 for my Mom - 100% for the safety factor - forgetting about carbon footprint or anything else - the safety factor is what I care about most (she is kinda nutty, and I worry about her driving) - of course, for myself - the Cybertruck will be my permanent switch away from fossil fuel vehicles - my “learn to fix or build anything “ hobby means I must have a truck at all times ~ hmmm, maybe I am the nutty one?
Where did you get those upper control arms for that expensive price. Mines were 400$ something both. But they were actually good, i have a problem with lower control arms. And i have 262000km on my tesla m3. It's in Canada. Because that's actually factory defect they cover the labourer cost. And trunk wire was replaced fir free
Why do these cars go through tires so quickly? Weight? I had to replace mine at 27k. I'm not heavy footed either. Got mine in 2019 but only have had to replace the drivers upper control arm. Didn't cost anything though. Cool thing comparing an EV vs ICE is after 200k miles, the EV is still the same as new. ICE after 200k, assuming it makes it that far, will need a LOT of work and won't be anywhere near the same as new.
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon It is so much fun to power off the line! Must take a toll..... I got 50,000 km out of my first set. Second set seems to be doing better, as I am trying to be more of a grown-up.
@@RockyMountainTesla Agree. Smooth power delivery and fewer general vibrations means less wear and tear on the rest of the drive system - which is simpler anyway.
The cardboard-y undertray really is no good. I'd recommend the aluminum undertray from RPM Tesla. If debris or roadkill make it in there, then it can crack the coolant lines to the battery which can total the car.
200K miles with a 20mpg car and gas at $4 per gallon cost would be $40K. But all in all cars and boats are money pits and will not save you any money but require you to pay pay pay.
My cousin bought a used 2019 standard plus Tesla mode 3 in 2022 for $45000 and now in 2023 can't sell it for $25000. The Model 3 has the highest depreciation on any car as high as 30%.
@@CaptRespect yes but most cars tires last a LOT longer. My last set lasted 50k miles. The massive tire consumption of EVs absolutely needs to be addressed.
would love to own one of these beauties, but the math just doesn't work out the same way for me. michigan gas is less than 3 bucks a gallon, the winters are probably not the greatest for EV ranges, and the yearly loan payments alone for an M3 is almost 3x what I currently spend on my Corolla payments + maintenance + gas every year.
Usable capacity out of the box is a bit of a moving target, it was around 72-78kwh according to a few different sources for this year and model, so 75kwh usable is a good estimate to go by. It's not really clear why some cars had more or less usable capacity when measured. If I understand correctly the nominal (total) capacity of the pack is is 79.5kwh, that is 5ah 2170 cells at 3.6v nominal voltage, times the number of cells in the battery pack, 4416, equals 79.5.
What factors go into your $0.58 per mile of ICE cars? For me I'm getting like $0.19 - $0.21 per mile on fuel and for me gas is like $4.30-$4.80/ gal depending on where I go. Are you including insurance and maintenance in that figure or is it fuel alone? My car averages 20-22mpg. It's old but it cost me $1000 to buy, cheap insurance and I've had it for 6 years
It’s the tax deductible amount the IRS allows for businesses to claim. It takes the average depreciation, maintenance, insurance and fuel usage for all vehicles. So with that said a persons actual number could be higher or lower.
Also to note, supercharging price has increased quite a bit in the last year since the video was made so my fuel cost would be 30-40% higher if made today.
Ty for the content! For fun, anybody else hear him say he was rear ended but it was self inflicted =b we need elaboration. I am not sure if I'll be with my battery pack that long, I would love to upgrade to lfp chem and or 4680 cells down the line, who knows what the future will hold.
I put that in the "self inflicted" category because it wasn't related to wear and tear and I'm still fighting the guys insurance to get reimbursed. I would also like to upgrade to the 4680 but who knows. With the current wait times for a new M3 there may be something even better coming not long after I would get the car!
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon that makes sense, better another car than one of the animals you were near. Best of luck with getting the insurance issue fixed my friend. Definitely will be interesting seeing where r&d takes us and see if an aftermarket will come about and offer different battery pack options.
You wrap up the summary saying “yeah so basically nothing went wrong” after a laundry list of repairs and expenses… to be fair most cars would need a catalytic converter by now.
I have the FSD Beta. I think normal autopilot is amazing. It works nearly flawlessly on highways. The features that get added with advanced autopilot verge on not being worth it. Having driven loaners without it the only thing I actually miss is the auto lane change. With FSD Beta city streets I’m always impressed by how well it works (especially on snow covered roads) but it still needs a lot of work.
I have a 21 MY. Just hit 50k. Tires, rotation and wiper fluid so far is all I needed. Had it since 3/21 so 20 months roughly. Sold my 2015 Chevy quad cab Silverado and my 2005 Mazda 3 commuter and didn't look back . Would love an S or the Cyber Truck next. The biggest question I get is the battery and the mining of cobalt in countries where they are paid 1.00 a day to send kids down a small hole to extract it. Solar and wind may not be enough to sustain this. Did you hear about the Gov of California pushing EVs then only to tell us not to charge for a whole weekend due to the power grid? It still has a long way to go before its really 100% green. We are still burning fossil fuels to charge my friend so that weighs on my mind. Oh, and what happens with the battery when its not of any use? I heard there is a separate plant/facility Tesla is making just for the recycling as there are some resources that can be reused.
Thanks for sharing your story. My biggest question is what will a new battery pack cost when it needs replacement. How many years will the battery last before it needsd replacement?
Hello thanks for sharing! Calculation is incomplete… you forgot the cost of internal combustion engine maintenance $$$$ up here in Quebec,Canada every 15000 kms / 9300 miles oil change, 80000 kms / 50000 miles Timing, belt or chain. Let’s stop there because people will not believe us. 200000 mils= 320000kms so: Oil change 75$ X 21= 1,575$ Timing chain 5000X 4= 20000$ Prices is for a 2012 VW Jetta TDI! So yes your calculations was missing a few small details but that ok I am missing a few myself! Have a good day Jean
Thanks for your video. I also plan on keeping my ME LR for a very, very long time. What is/are the quietest tires you'd recommend other than the OEM Michelin tires that came with it? I'll definitely look at that P7 you showed.
I am from Brasil and just receive my BYD SEAL and love it.
You've captured some wonderful scenery and I know that you have personally seen a lot more than what you were able to share, thanks for the time and effort you put forth!
I had that same car, but upgraded to a model Y. Have to say that the new heat pump is absolutely fantastic! Get super hot air with very little battery usage, where before, you could watch the battery drop like crazy.
The heat pump would definitely have been helpful this last winter.
New model 3s also have the new heat pump. Fantastic thing
@@racecrashrepeat Have a '22 and the Ryzen processor, heated steering wheel, heated wipers, heat pump and 360 mile range are epic. Glad I waited at the end of '21 to recieve!
“Upgraded" to a Model Y?! Down-graded is more like it! ; ) t. soon-to-be M3 owner.
@@AI-Driven-Entrepreneur lol I ordered end of 21 as well and got the 22 updates with ryzen without expecting it. So happy with the car.
please kill the music when you talk. otherwise thanks for the info
At least dial down the volume alittle please! It was a great video though
Plus a closer mic would help a ton
Your numbers seem pretty accurate to me.
I calculated the fuel savings alone for my 2011 LEAF and found it saved about $1,000 for every 10,000 miles driven. So that would mean a fuel savings of about $20,000 for you. The Model 3 is more efficient than the LEAF so you might have seen a tad bit more in savings. Your final number is based on many other savings such as maintenance which adds up quickly.
Insurance....
@@10PercentForTheBigGuy Tesla's are reasonable to insure. They have a lot of safety features which reduces the premium.
Your mileage is respectable, I've had my long range RWD since May 2018 and I have 109,000 miles. Can't imagine logging another 91k in the same time period.
109,000 is a lot of driving!
Safety is a huge one for me. There’s no other factory car like a Tesla when it comes to safety.
Honda and any German car would like to speak with you.
@@JayAR_YT And let me guess Volvo? :)
@@JayAR_YT I think safety wise Tesla ranks higher than Honda and the Germans coming close to Volvo.
@@JayAR_YT Tesla ranks higher actually lol
Thanks for the content! Just got my first Tesla a week ago. I adore it.
I do agree with other comments, please just reduce the music in the background. I want to hear all you say a bit better. Thanks again!!
Well stated my friend.. I love my M3P. Hands down. Best car I've owned.
Appreciate not only the objective numbers, but also the great footage which takes a lot of effort to create and edit!
One note about battery capacity. The model 3 has a 3KWh reserve once it hits "0%". This means your actual battery capacity is more like 67.78KWh or 90.3% of the factory capacity.
Good to know!
It's actually 3.3kWh
@@TheStopwatchGod ummm actually it 3.33333333kW repeating of course.
Nah, actually it is roughly 3.14KW give or take
Great video. With gas prices being around double in the UK the savings add up quicker. Plus you missed the resale value of a Tesla over a gas car which will be $$$s more in savings.
Correct. One should subtract resale price to arrive at TCO. depreciation is a true cost.
True Petrol much more expensive, but Electricity per KWh (~USD0.30/kwh) is double or triple the US (~USD0.12/kwh) , and UK has a Road tax on EV yes? that makes less of advantage
@@pablopicaro7649 The UK has a road fund license for all cars, I thought EV's got an exception but that may have expired. Electricity tariffs can be advantageous, time of use discounts for example can make charging an EV even cheaper. Solar adds miles at no extra cost.
We can play what if all day. As always YMMV
@@pablopicaro7649 Hey good point about the Electricity cost difference but no UK road tax yet for EVs. We can also have cheap night time electric tariffs which really helps, not sure if that's an option in the US?
@@pablopicaro7649 Depends on the country and your situation. I charge only at home unless on a road trip. I have solar panels on my roof. Almost all my charging is during the day when it is sunny. Worst case is I lose what I would get as a feed-in tariff for my generation - less than the equivalent of 5 US cents per KWh, or around $US3.50 for a full charge, which gets me around 500 kms range. Can't get close to that with ICE car.
Just watched your 115k review video then this one. Very informative and well made, thank you! My 2020 LR has 18k miles right now but I hope some day to hit 200k+ like you!
0:35....how did you get that screenshot? is it a map of all the places in North America you have stopped for charging? Is there an app to generate that map? lol
There’s a current recall over the trunk wire harness getting frayed. You should see if they will compensate you for that repair.
That’s a good idea
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon - Tesla has issued refunds for people who had to previously pay for repairs that later became recall items. They should definitely refund you!
Those are some awesome pictures of different locations. Thanks
The way I think of degradation after owning a Model 3 has changed.
Max range is kinda meaningless because I almost never have found myself needing to drive over 180 miles with no chargers available.
All I really care about is can I make it from home/supercharger to supercharger/destination without having to spend a long time charging.
Gas or ICE I seem to never be able to make more than 90 to 130 miles avg between stops (pee break for wife/kids) on a road trip.
Seeing as that is about how close SC are in most cases (not all but getting there), that frequency of stopping means by the time the pee break is done and I've strapped the kids in again its probably time to leave.
I'd expect that even with 20% degradation as long as fast charging speed is still good that I won't really notice the degradation on a road trip.
Max rated range isn't a meaningless number. Folks want to know their battery is holding up and isn't a lemon. Important if you plan on keeping a car for a good number of years.
@@SunriseLAW I really don't think I'd like that.
I have a feeling that swap times would take about as long as charging in the best of times.
I'd expect that it would also cost more and you'd spend more time waiting since there's likely to be only 1 swap bay at a lot of places, and it would probably would need a live human to supervise.
@@SunriseLAW People think they want swappable packs because they believe a lot of things about EVs that are simply not true of today's EVs.
People still think that a road trip in an EV requires charging stops that last 4-6 hours every time you stop to charge.
People still think every EV requires a new battery pack every 2-3 years of ownership.
Hot swapping is an unnecessary complication. Fast charging just works. High capacity packs with active thermal management will last far longer than most people think they will.
@@SunriseLAW Doesn't mitigate anything. Just makes it cost more for no good reason
Honestly a hot swap is the sort of thing the mfgs might try to foist on people just so that they can tie it to an ongoing subscription because you'll own nothing and be happy.
I get around 450 miles range and on long trips we usually stop around 350 miles of travel to not go too low on gas
Very interesting. To determine the overall cost of ownership you would need subtract the current value of the car.
his 2nd hand Model3 is probably worth more than he bought it for now!
@@henrytkliao not with 200000km on the clock
@@henrytkliao with 200,000 miles? Get real
@@mattbrew11 Update : "This car recently got totaled by a rear end accident and I was given $45k by insurance." Tesla's are fantastic at retaining their value.
@@quickdropz your insurance company made a gigantic mistake. There are 175+ 2018 model 3s within a 3 hr drive of me for $26-28k
Very well done video :) I still love my Dec 2016 Model S 75D that I bought after retiring from the USAF at 38 as an E-6. I had a financial reason to buy it as well, but my job situation changed a few months after taking delivery and my commute went from 90 miles a day to 2.8 miles a day in Bay Area traffic. So now I only have 29,495 miles on it total, free supercharging for life of car, and little over 2 years on battery warranty that was also for unlimited miles. It also has full self driving if it ever gets released.
I still love driving it and want to go across country again, it was such a great trip.
Nice video! Glad I found you! Waiting on my MYLR. I am so excited!
Interesting channel name "Voyage without Carbon". Carbon is the fundamental element for life on this planet. Without carbon you're not going to be making any voyage with your two legs.
Great video. Love the scenic travels. Keep up the great work and enjoy life. Thank you for sharing. Looking forward to more 💪🏼👍🏼👏🏼
Thanks for sharing your experience! Loved seeing some of the places you've driven too. I've got 25K on my exactly 1 year old 22 M3LR, looking forward to handing it down to my kids in a few years. Perhaps move up to an S or Cyber truck in then.. :)
Supercharging is 3x more expensive in the UK but here your insurance would pay for the fender. Even so $3k supply and fit is 2 or 3x what I’d expect to pay.
In terms of total ownership costs, Tesla doesn't seem to beat Prius or Camery. I believe my Prius is %60 cheaper cost maintaining the car.
If I'm not mistaken, Tesla update the range of the LR to 325 miles, even for the older cars, so degradation calculated by both you and Tesla match quite well.
True! That's a good way to look at it.
I also have a 2018 LR rwd and remember the updates. I remember one for sure but vaguely remember two. My service center says the update was only to 315 so either there was only one or they took one back. It’s a mystery to me.
That's very good 👍
For cracked rims you can just bring your wheels to a wheel shop, they will reform and weld your wheels to brand new for maybe 100$/wheel
Nice pictures and well done with the analysis. I find that my 2019 model 3 SR+ has deteriorated a little more than I expected. When I picked it up in August 2019, it had a max range of 250. I think it now has a max range of 235 which, if my calculations are correct, equates to a 6% decrease in range in 2 1/2 years. At one point, shortly after getting the car, the max range was supposed to have increased to 260 but I never saw that.
That said, the Model 3 remains the best car I've ever owned and the most fun to drive. I'm getting just under 30,000 miles on the tires but then again, I have so much fun accelerating and cornering here in the mountains of western NC, that I would expect tires to be used up more than a regular ICE vehicle.
I know this reply is super late, but I just came across this video. Car and Driver did a 40,000 mile long term test on a 2019 Model 3. They stated that they had about 6% degradation by 20,000 miles, but then didn't have any degradation after that through 40,000 miles. It would be interesting to know if yours has followed a roughly similar curve?
Thanks for the comprehensive video! Lots of great information!
Great video! I wish everyone had this information about Teslas, because they truly are the greatest cars ever built! Not only that, fun to drive, with lots of torque. Why wouldn’t you buy one, if you can afford one??
I chose not to buy one after examining the lousy panel gaps and ill fitting interior trim on the new Model 3 I looked at almost 3 years ago. I'd also watched Sandy Munro's video, where his organisation reverse engineered a Model 3. In addition to that, I'd also read comments on Tesla forums - from actual Tesla owners - complaining about the crappy customer after sales service. Plus I wasn't convinced I wanted to be part of Elon Musk's ego trip. I chose to go with a Kia eNiro instead, and over 2 years later, I don't regret it at all. Sorry, but there it is....
There is no Tesla I would buy. Tesla does not have a utility vehicle that I would want. They are all sedans. Is there a Tesla that can go where my Subaru Outback can go? NO. Is that enough of an answer?
@@georgesealy4706 yes, that’s enough. A Tesla isn’t for everyone. Thanks for sharing your opinion because it seems like you needed to tell everyone. Fortunately for shareholders, you’re just one person, and there aren’t many of you. In statistics, we call that “an outlier.”
@@TomTom-cm2oq Well, you asked the question.
@@Brian-om2hh Yeah, Elon is letting his ego get in the way. He funded the Tesla startup with his Paypal money (but he was not part of the original engineering or even subsequent I would guess, he likes to pretend or let others assume he was) He finally bought the whole company, also Tesla got 1/2 billion dollar loan from government (and helped by tax subsidies for buyers) (Tesla has paid back the gov loan) There is a good YT video on the carbon footprint (versus ICE/Hybrids), and at 200K miles it might be break even at best. And why ? Because most electrical energy produced in US is not green and Tesla car production has higher initial carb foot print (that might/should ??? come down in time). It is strange that other car companies have struggled with EV somewhat. I have been looking at EVs but I'm still evaluating.
Our Prius Prime has over 230k miles. It cost us 30k and there was a 7.5k rebate. That's a lot less than your 85k cost. We have had it for four and and a half years. That said, I have a MYP and love it.
Using your logic, my base model 3 (his was a long range) has 250k miles and cost me 35k. And the great thing is I don't have to feel embarrassed by driving a Prius 😛
85k cost? I haven’t finished the video yet. But if that’s his total cost (guessing it is), you should list your real total cost, which isn’t anywhere near $30k.
@@DoggoWillink Exactly! Also, different product and way different experience. I'd not want the Prius even if its TCO was lower (which I'm not sure it is).
But then again, it's a Prius 🤣
Really good analysis. I see a lot of these type of videos and a lot of them try to bias the data one way or the other, but I thought you did a good job keeping it objective.
Are you buying EV tires or just regular tires? I'm still on my stock tires with my 2022 Model Y with 34K miles on them, if I rotated more often I'd be good probably to 50k if not a little more but I've only rotated once so the now front tires probably have 5k left in them but the rears (previous fronts) are good.
I started listening and was interested in what you had to say, but stopped because of the background music. The only thing it adds is distraction and annoyance.
Great video and thanks for sharing! I’m pretty sure my LR RWD Model 3 will outlive me. I plan to keep it for the rest of my life. I’m curious how your seats have held up? Are you considering to have them reupholstered at some point? Also, you didn’t mention anything about the 12V battery. Did you have to replace it?
You know what I did. I preemptively replace it at 160k for $115.
You may have to replace the battery at least a couple of times.
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon Smart. I replaced mine preemptively at 2 years old and will do so again this October.
Oh re:seats... The driver seat is a little rough in the lower back. not horrible but definitely worn. The rest are still fantastic but of course have gotten exponentially less use.
Have 70k on mine, tires only.
No maintenance! Drive on👍🏼
nice video and verry well explained, BUT ... what about the amount of time you spent charging? You allready stated that you used the superchargers more often then charging at home, so, time is money they say ... what about the time lost? Did you took that into consideration? what was the amount of time spent?
Great point! Hundreds of hours for me. Luckily I do a majority of work from my computer so I utilized that time to get stuff done but your average person may not be able to make the time as well spent.
There are a few factors I think need to be taken into account when thinking about charging and the time wasted/utilized, If you are a person that needs to use superchargers a lot.
1. Are you planning your trip to where you may have to stop more by charging to a lower % but end up saving more time in the end by faster charge speeds when %is lower? If you keep your charge between 10-70% you usually only need to stop for 15/20 min which is the perfect amount of time for a pee break and grab a cup of coffee which takes up most of the charge time. A more enjoyable experience IMO than holding it for hundreds of miles till a tank of gas is empty.
2. How much time is usually wasted scrolling through a phone on a couch at home? This simply replaces that couch time. Not sure if most would replace the time or just still scroll as much at home.
But in reality, yes. Charging on a road trip can add hours to a normal drive and that may not be acceptable to a lot of people.
Thanks for the video. My 2018 long range model three with 118k miles indicates 278 miles at 100%
I’ve thought about getting a Tesla, but then I worry about it lasting as long as a Toyota
@@Ghost-jy9hk If you drive a lot it’s hard to beat Electric. I’ve saved over $450 this month.
@@brentftaylor but that’s charging at home right? I can’t do that. It would be superchargers for me
@@Ghost-jy9hk Yes. That’s mostly at home charging at 8 cents KWh. Even if the cost were equal to gas I’d still drive electric. The driving experience is so much better.
@@brentftaylor what’s better about it?
Ouch, the maintenance may not seem too high to you but to me it seems high. Also, the TCO calculation should subtract the current value of the car. That said, my tco (prius) is roughly $.10 per mile with gas @$3… $.12 at $4 etc. EV’s will make more sense for average families when the initial cost drops below $30k for a civic/corolla level car and when charge points are more available.
I have a 2020 M3 SR+ with 83K miles. The only maintenance cost to me have been a new set of tires ($1000) at 80K miles, a set of windshield wipers ($25), windshield wiper fluid ($25) and a 12V battery ($114). Tire rotations are free at Discount Tires. All in all I can’t complain. Much cheaper to maintain my M3 than my previous ICE comutter cars
Something I think you are missing is the current value of you car vs purchase price. The pick ANY ICE car for comparison of value at the $200k mark. 🤯
This is incredible. I'm at 162k now.
Side note, if you paid for that trunk wire harness, it ended up being a recall and they refunded me for the cost I paid before it was a recall. My upper control arms only costed me $92 each.
Have you ever had to replace the main batteries ever?
@@hagaras82030 also curious about this^^
Good question
UNITS!!! Kilowatt-Hour, not Kilowatt. Great video though!! I only have 40k on my model 3, so this is inspiring
Had that same spec car - fantastic car - now have a red MYP!
I think you deserve a refund on the trunk wire harness. There is a recall out on that one now.... So get your $294.14 back.
When is the new mileage update video voyage??
Nicely made video! Beautiful scenery and very informative.
Great video! I have a 2018 Model 3 and haven't cracked 50k miles yet lol. I should start taking more road trips
Thinking about switching from my 4Runner to a used 18 or 19 Model 3 LR. I drive around 250 miles a day for work throughout Georgia and Alabama. I will charge at home mostly, but will probably have to use superchargers for my longer days. Would it be worth it, or a pain in the ass? Also my work pays me by the mile, and not for gas.
@@StayConsistant If work pays by mile it is no brainer.
Great video thank you very much, i’m just hitting 50 K on my model three
It would take me 10 years to reach 200,000 miles. Thanks for an informative video. You can keep the music sir.
Great data but if you drive till the car stops you'll probably get a few more kwh from the battery. So 13% is likely high.
200k is amazing. Did you need to change Brake Pads or Rotors ? Not sure if you did or I missed it in the video.
Nope. Original brakes and rotors still going strong. One pedal driving means I go 95% of my drives without hitting the brakes.
There also should be a 3-4KWh buffer in the battery that's not usable. From what I have seen you take that number out when calculating how much it's degraded. It should be more like 72KWh usable and not 75, that would give closer to 89% of the original usable capacity left.
Amazing! Love all the beautiful places you’ve been with your model 3! Just curious, how come you had to replace two of your front control arms? I knew there was a recall on those not sure if they are related?
They started squeaking. I’ve heard it was a common thing with the earlier 3s. Didn’t know they ended up recalling them.
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon there is no recall on the upper control arm noisy ball joints. Just a technical service bulletin that tells the technicians to seal around the ball joint if your car happens to be in service for something else. The sealant is supposed to keep moisture out of the joint.
No recall on the control arms. There's a technical service bulletin, not the same thing. www.nhtsa.gov/recalls
Thx. Good review. 200k impressive over 4 years. You took it to a lot of very beautiful places. I have 2018 June lrm3 and love love my car. Would be hard to consider another brand & car as my experience has been wonderful with the lrm3.
Great video, love my Model Y and know I am going to keep it for a long time.
How did the paint hold up over the life of the car?
Only issue was some chipping around the charge port area which Tesla touched up for free while having other maintenance done.
Nice!
Mann I’m 22 and recently got a 2021 Honda Accord for 40k which was ridiculous. I’m understanding now that was the biggest mistake I could’ve made so I’m giving the car back more so selling it and i will stack my money making it longer than the Golden Gate Bridge and buy my Model 3 flat out in the next 5-6 years. I’ll be 27-28-29 then and hopefully they’ll have many updated features and more efficient components then what it has to offer now, this car imo outweighs any car costing the same in its class for what you get
Where was you getting insurance at? $5000 over 4 years is super cheap. I haven’t seen anything under $1000 for 6mos and my driving record is perfect.
That’s for liability only with a high deductible.
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon Ah ok. Probably would’ve been good to mention it (unless i missed it). Most people are not buying a Tesla in full and are financing it. Which you are forced to have full coverage for until you pay off the loan.
When I try to calculate the worth of EVs compared to gas vehicles, there's something I factor in, that most people don't. Time.
Now for me, in considering an EV, I mainly do so for just a commuter car. In that scenario, I only charge it at home, overnight. But for someone like the man who made this video, he clearly spent many, many hours sitting at superchargers or other public chargers during the 200,000 miles he put on his Tesla.
So what is that worth? Is your off time worth the same as what you might make hourly at work? Less? What if you only factored in $10 an hour for the time you spent waiting for charging in public locations? How much then is added to the total cost of ownership?
This is a very reasonable thought. Like you said, most people would charge their EV at night so not an issue but for me traveling this much, yes I spent hundreds of hours sitting at superchargers. Luckily I do about half of my work from my computer so that became a time for me to work opposed to sitting around doing nothing. So not really much of a factor of lost time/money.
One side note I do like to point out is the amount of hours the average person sits on a couch watching tv or scrolling through their phone. The only difference now is it’s happening in your car opposed to a couch at home so in my opinion, not as much of a downside as some may initially think it is.
I think you have assumed that the value of your car is $0.
In today's market I think your car is worth $25k so that should be subtracted from your total cost?
You’re right. I assume it’s somewhere between $20-$25k.
I didn’t subtract that mostly because it’s potential money back opposed to actual money saved.
40k bud
Can we focus on the control arm please? Why was it replaced? I'm assuming the greased joint failed. I find it very hard to believe that that is the only greased suspension joint that needed to be replaced after 200K miles. No other vehicle I know of, ICE or EV, is capable of having moving suspension joints go without replacing for that long. Note: for under $700 in part prices only I have replaced ALL of my front suspension joints on my GM truck (upper and lower control arms, sway bar links, upper and lower ball joints, and inner and outer steering arm joints. I've replaced them myself and they all have lifetime warranty on parts only.)
Yes I think both were the grease joints and you’re right it is hard to believe. Each time it was brought in to Tesla that’s all they said needed to be done though.
The 2018 M3 (First production year), some M3's had squeaky control arm joints. Something to do with the seals around the joint. They were replaced by Tesla under warranty. Mine started squeaking around 70K, and I was out of warranty. I greased them up and the sound went away. It just came back two weeks ago at 118K, so I went to the Tesla service center and they replaced them. Only charged me for parts, so it was around $350. That's the total of my maintenance / repair bill in 118,000 miles. I have two sets of tires, I have replaced the cabin air filters ($40) and wiper blades. (3rd party silicon blades, $60). Nothing else has worn or needed to be serviced or repaired.
I don’t know why you would think it’s unusual for suspension components to last 200k miles. My 185k Honda is all original and no issues. I did chuckle like you when he said $700 EACH was cheap
@@bob15479 Mark, let's be real here can we? Your Honda is what 2,700lbs? 😝 A Tesla starts at about 5,500lbs. Oh, and your Honda likely has an engine control developed by GM engineers. Honda also just signed a proprietary agreement with GM for Ultimum battery technology.
@@bob15479 hello mark so what model and spec honda do you have and what year is it
In California a Kilowatt is 28 cents or more so that really changes the savings profile.
A new LR M3 with a 350m Range and 82 kWh battery would use .23 kWh per mile meaning a $.28 kWh cost for 200,000 mi would be 12,880
$12000 for fuel over 200000 miles! thats insane! I do Around £3000 in the UK for fuel a year 20,000 miles. I usually buy a second hand car ( every 4/5 years)with around 30,000miles and that cost me £55,500 for 200,000 miles(ish) and as mentiontioned , buying a car every 4/5 years because the damn thing is falling apart after say 100,000 miles. SOLD ! From every review I see, Tessla model 3 is the way forward ( 21 model , need that heat pump, its pretty cold here in Scotland in the winter!)
Tesla has hidden energy buffer, so the % shown for what you use is not exactly what is left in the battery.
So 8% degradation is probably more accurate number.
Since it's non-linear, you should be good for at least 600k before you hit 20%.
Still have the same car? We need an update lol
It would be nice if supercharging was only 25 cents a kw. Seems like it is more like 42 around here.
I feel ya. Supercharger around me have recently jumped to .42 unless it’s off peak times.
The Model 3 is an awesome car! But $2,300 in broken parts is nothing to brag about. My Ford PHEV had two FSB items that were free and then nothing broke for 184k miles. My in-town and highway operating costs are the same as an EV. The only added cost is oil changes every 25k miles.
Georgia Power charges $0.014c per KW for overnight charging
Not $0.014, it is $0.14
@@pablopicaro7649 no, nighttime off peak EV charging is less than 1.5 cents/kwh in many locations.
I keep thinking about getting a model 3 for my Mom - 100% for the safety factor - forgetting about carbon footprint or anything else - the safety factor is what I care about most (she is kinda nutty, and I worry about her driving) - of course, for myself - the Cybertruck will be my permanent switch away from fossil fuel vehicles - my “learn to fix or build anything “ hobby means I must have a truck at all times ~ hmmm, maybe I am the nutty one?
Kelso dunes awesome in a Tesla did that in a model x wow 🤩 yeah nothing in the automotive world beats a cross country trip in a Tesla
By the way I really enjoyed the video - helped by your excellent production.
Thanks!
Where did you get those upper control arms for that expensive price. Mines were 400$ something both. But they were actually good, i have a problem with lower control arms. And i have 262000km on my tesla m3. It's in Canada. Because that's actually factory defect they cover the labourer cost. And trunk wire was replaced fir free
Teslas as the safest cars on the road today. That is enough for me to get one.
Why do these cars go through tires so quickly? Weight? I had to replace mine at 27k. I'm not heavy footed either. Got mine in 2019 but only have had to replace the drivers upper control arm. Didn't cost anything though. Cool thing comparing an EV vs ICE is after 200k miles, the EV is still the same as new. ICE after 200k, assuming it makes it that far, will need a LOT of work and won't be anywhere near the same as new.
I think weight has something to do with it but also the instant torque and not having to slowly accelerate.
ICE vibration is far worse than Electric ⚡️ Motors! EV’s should last longer from that alone.
@@RockyMountainTesla bullshit
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon It is so much fun to power off the line! Must take a toll..... I got 50,000 km out of my first set. Second set seems to be doing better, as I am trying to be more of a grown-up.
@@RockyMountainTesla Agree. Smooth power delivery and fewer general vibrations means less wear and tear on the rest of the drive system - which is simpler anyway.
The cardboard-y undertray really is no good. I'd recommend the aluminum undertray from RPM Tesla. If debris or roadkill make it in there, then it can crack the coolant lines to the battery which can total the car.
Thanks. I’ll check this out! I had to replace the cardboard one in my new M3 within 15k miles. They really do suck!
200K miles with a 20mpg car and gas at $4 per gallon cost would be $40K. But all in all cars and boats are money pits and will not save you any money but require you to pay pay pay.
Great video man!
My cousin bought a used 2019 standard plus Tesla mode 3 in 2022 for $45000 and now in 2023 can't sell it for $25000. The Model 3 has the highest depreciation on any car as high as 30%.
$1100 x 6 for tires is significant and tires are major pollution issue.
Not as major as exhaust. Also all cars use tires.
@@CaptRespect yes but most cars tires last a LOT longer. My last set lasted 50k miles. The massive tire consumption of EVs absolutely needs to be addressed.
Awesome vid bro!
Consider lexani or Achilles tires. $80 each and work great for me.
would love to own one of these beauties, but the math just doesn't work out the same way for me.
michigan gas is less than 3 bucks a gallon, the winters are probably not the greatest for EV ranges, and the yearly loan payments alone for an M3 is almost 3x what I currently spend on my Corolla payments + maintenance + gas every year.
that some beautiful scenery
I was thinking if there’s a 75 kW battery, how much of it was usable out of the box? Maybe 73? At most,So degradation seems very minimal
Usable capacity out of the box is a bit of a moving target, it was around 72-78kwh according to a few different sources for this year and model, so 75kwh usable is a good estimate to go by. It's not really clear why some cars had more or less usable capacity when measured.
If I understand correctly the nominal (total) capacity of the pack is is 79.5kwh, that is 5ah 2170 cells at 3.6v nominal voltage, times the number of cells in the battery pack, 4416, equals 79.5.
@@yeslawrence wow great info thank you
Great video! Format and outline was 👍🏼
What factors go into your $0.58 per mile of ICE cars? For me I'm getting like $0.19 - $0.21 per mile on fuel and for me gas is like $4.30-$4.80/ gal depending on where I go. Are you including insurance and maintenance in that figure or is it fuel alone? My car averages 20-22mpg. It's old but it cost me $1000 to buy, cheap insurance and I've had it for 6 years
It’s the tax deductible amount the IRS allows for businesses to claim. It takes the average depreciation, maintenance, insurance and fuel usage for all vehicles.
So with that said a persons actual number could be higher or lower.
Also to note, supercharging price has increased quite a bit in the last year since the video was made so my fuel cost would be 30-40% higher if made today.
Ty for the content!
For fun, anybody else hear him say he was rear ended but it was self inflicted =b we need elaboration.
I am not sure if I'll be with my battery pack that long, I would love to upgrade to lfp chem and or 4680 cells down the line, who knows what the future will hold.
I put that in the "self inflicted" category because it wasn't related to wear and tear and I'm still fighting the guys insurance to get reimbursed.
I would also like to upgrade to the 4680 but who knows. With the current wait times for a new M3 there may be something even better coming not long after I would get the car!
@@VoyageWithoutCarbon that makes sense, better another car than one of the animals you were near.
Best of luck with getting the insurance issue fixed my friend.
Definitely will be interesting seeing where r&d takes us and see if an aftermarket will come about and offer different battery pack options.
You wrap up the summary saying “yeah so basically nothing went wrong” after a laundry list of repairs and expenses… to be fair most cars would need a catalytic converter by now.
Do you have the Advanced Autopilot and if so do you like it?
I have the FSD Beta. I think normal autopilot is amazing. It works nearly flawlessly on highways. The features that get added with advanced autopilot verge on not being worth it. Having driven loaners without it the only thing I actually miss is the auto lane change.
With FSD Beta city streets I’m always impressed by how well it works (especially on snow covered roads) but it still needs a lot of work.
Get a reimbursement for your trunk harness repair, that's a recall item.
Thanks!
I have a 21 MY. Just hit 50k. Tires, rotation and wiper fluid so far is all I needed. Had it since 3/21 so 20 months roughly. Sold my 2015 Chevy quad cab Silverado and my 2005 Mazda 3 commuter and didn't look back . Would love an S or the Cyber Truck next. The biggest question I get is the battery and the mining of cobalt in countries where they are paid 1.00 a day to send kids down a small hole to extract it. Solar and wind may not be enough to sustain this. Did you hear about the Gov of California pushing EVs then only to tell us not to charge for a whole weekend due to the power grid? It still has a long way to go before its really 100% green. We are still burning fossil fuels to charge my friend so that weighs on my mind. Oh, and what happens with the battery when its not of any use? I heard there is a separate plant/facility Tesla is making just for the recycling as there are some resources that can be reused.
Plus the ap you used during the boring highway driving.
Thanks for sharing your story. My biggest question is what will a new battery pack cost when it needs replacement. How many years will the battery last before it needsd replacement?
Current prices are $5-7k but no one has had to replace one yet so I’m not really sure.
Tesla says the 2170s in the 3 should last 500k mi.
The high voltage battery will outlast the rest of the car
4:43 Thats an amazing picture! did you take that yourself, it looks phenomenal with the starship as the backdrop of the photo!
Yes Sir! I took that the morning before the SN10 Launch
this gives me confidence i just purchased this exact car. may i drive many many miles more all this out of a car that can smoke a c5 corvette
Hello thanks for sharing! Calculation is incomplete… you forgot the cost of internal combustion engine maintenance $$$$ up here in Quebec,Canada every 15000 kms / 9300 miles oil change, 80000 kms / 50000 miles Timing, belt or chain. Let’s stop there because people will not believe us.
200000 mils= 320000kms so:
Oil change 75$ X 21= 1,575$
Timing chain 5000X 4= 20000$
Prices is for a 2012 VW Jetta TDI!
So yes your calculations was missing a few small details but that ok I am missing a few myself!
Have a good day
Jean
What are the brake costs? And how many miles run on original brakes
Never replaced the brakes. Had them checked every 50k miles and was told they were fine.
Imagine if you had bought Tesla stock instead of your Tesla 4 years ago.
Thanks for your video. I also plan on keeping my ME LR for a very, very long time. What is/are the quietest tires you'd recommend other than the OEM Michelin tires that came with it? I'll definitely look at that P7 you showed.
TBH I’ve never used anything besides the OEMs and the P7s besides my winter tires which are P Zero Winters