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Eh, Lenin Peak and Everest are nothing. I summeted Lenin Peak twice and only died on the way down. I then managed to summit Everest even though I was already dead. Someday, I'll come down off of here, but for now, I'm enjoying the view!
I live in New Zealand. One detail is wrong in this video. Jan Arnold was at home in Christchurch, New Zealand when Rob Hall died on Everest. She was not at base camp. They decided she wouldnt go because she was 7 months pregnant with their daughter. Rob's radio was connected to satellite phone at the base of the mountain to her home in Christchurch. He told Jan during these calls that he would like their daughter to be named Sarah. Sarah Arnold Hall was born 2 months after the tragedy.
Those young boys were in shorts and sandals!!!! I simply can't believe it. What on earth was the teacher thinking ---- he wasn't and couldn't. What a dangerous empty head!!!!!😢
margarethunt6874. Margaret, I hurriedly came into the comment section to find comments like yours. Totally unbelievable!! What sort of an idiot would take young boys out in this sort of terrain in shorts and sandals. What an absolute dimwit. He should have been criminally charged for that.
The thing with David Sharp. Most people who passed him, did so at night when he was hard to see. And he was encouraged to get up when people did notice him. No one stepped over his body. He was tucked under a cave and people could walk right past him. Just had to unhook and hook to the line. He really was not that obvious to a lot of people. Plus people were expecting a dead body to be in that cave because of Green Boots. So I'm sure others did not even want to look in the cave for that reason. Thus, not seeing David and Green Boots. Those who did stop to help, did so during the day time when you could finally see better. Sherpas had tried to move him into the sun to warm him up, and gave him a lot of oxygen to try and get him to move. But he couldn't walk. That was the problem. You at least need to be able to walk down from the death zone. A lot of people have really mistold David Sharps story. Including this video when getting to the later details about trying to save him. No one stepped over a dying guy who was saveable. Sherpas wouldn't do something like that. They at least try to help. And the ones who worked with Russell Brand did try to help David. David's death is David's fault. He went up way too late in the day. He had no support. No nothing. And he sat down in the desthzone on one of the coldest nights. And expected other people to put their lives on the line for him. Taking advantage of other people's time, money, and recourses that he didn't want to pay for himself. I'm not saying that to bash him or anything. Just to high light that David didn't take proper care of himself that climb and he should be the only one to fault for what happened to him. Not anyone else. And it's a shame that other people are forever plagued with that dark mark on them cause of the backlash that came after the story got out.
I agree, it was a shame a double.amputee was shamed by Hillary. There were 30 others that passed that didnt get the backlash. Sharp tried to summit well past 2pm with no walkie talkie, no major supplies and alone. He had summit fever and he couldnt walk off the mountain. RIP
Thank you! I logged in just to comment this because this part of the video annoyed me so much and just shows a surface level of research. There's much better channels out there. If you want the real story without the BS, I recommended the channel Kyle Hates Hiking. There was no saving Sharp. Even if everyone could see him perfectly, Sharp was at the point where he couldn't walk. There was nothing they could do, it wasn't like they were an escalator ride back to base camp. Those who tried to encourage him to walk, did, but unless you're going to shame a bunch of people for not sitting with him and risking their own lives until he died, these armchair critics offer nothing but hot air.
Exactly. IIRC, there were two Sherpas who spent quite a long time with Sharp trying to get him to stand up and move. They gave him a full oxygen tank (buy it didn't help - he remained unconscious) and it took them over half an hour to move him into the sunlight in an attempt to warm him up. After a few hours with him, they were running low on oxygen and he was still unconscious and/or unresponsive, so they had to head back for their own safety. Sharp was doomed as soon as he sat down. People did try to help him but it was futile. And it sucks that so much controversy arose from it, especially considering Sharp's own mother said she doesn't blame anyone for what happened because when you're that high on the mountain, your only responsibility is to keep yourself safe.
@@FallocaustKyle is excellent. Because of Kyle, I sent my son and his partner, who like to camp and hike in the Pacific Northwest, a Garmin mini for Christmas. I feel better knowing they have it, although I hope they never really need it. For Everest, Thom Pollard and Everest Mystery is also an excellent channel.
The English schoolboy's monument is only 1km from the small village of Hofsgrund. It's pretty difficult to be more than 4km from any village in the Black Forrest. The teacher should have been held responsible. I wonder how many of the boys that survived ended up back in Germany in 1945.
A 5.0 magnitude earthquake is considered "strong," 6.4 earthquake is considered "very strong" on the intensity scale of magnitudes of earthquakes. Cracks in walls can appear, people can lose their balance when walking, but a 7.0 is considered destructive; 8 is very destructive, 9 is devastating. E.g., the 1906 San Francisco earthquake was a 7.9, but the subsequent fires were what caused most of the destruction of the city. The 1989 earthquake in Santa Cruz, Calif was a 6.9. but it caused the Nimitz Freeway in downtown San Francisco to collapse, because much of San Francisco is built on landfill originally so that moderate damage occurred to many houses, especially in the Marina district because they were built on a landfill, not on bedrock!
Hiking in cold weather as well as in snow that could turn into a blizzard quickly is always a terrible idea even when hikers have appropriate supplies but to hike knowing there is snow and cold with only shorts and sandals is suicidal.
I was a Boy Scout leader, and I never allowed sandals in camp or on hikes, even in the summer. You'd be amazed how some parents dress their kids! We did a yearly "Klondike Derby," a one-day event totally outside in January with various competitions. One year it was held in a park by a lake and the weather was unusually cold even for Central New York; the windchill coming off that lake was -20 F. Two of the boys showed up in jackets that only went to their waists, wearing knitted mittens! One of the boys' fathers was also there, toasty warm in a snowmobile suit! Poor kid was in tears. I was furious with his dad; I'd sent letters home about appropriate clothing. I'd brought extra gloves and socks, handwarmers, chocolates, hot cocoa, and quick-cooking food for everybody. Damn...the point was to build the boys up and let them learn some survival skills and be proud of themselves, not make them miserable and court hypothermia!
That was a superb narration of those terrible tragedies. It was riveting, and I could see each disaster unfolding in my mind's eye..Quite remarkable. Thank you.
As a beat up ex climber I hadn’t heard of the English Calamity nor the fatal avalanche on Lenin Peak. Mr. Keats sounds like he would qualify for what Monty Python termed the Upper Class Twit of the Year.
I disagree with what you're saying about David Sharp . It's not that people didn't want to help him, maybe they did but who is able? Who would be able to manage their own climb or descent with him in their arms? Who is able to do that ? That would take a lot of skill . The people that passed him by weren't bad people. They just weren't able to help him.
In conditions like that, you do try to help out but it’s basically everyone for himself. If you can’t walk on your own, you can’t expect anyone to help you.
@@angrydoggy9170 exactly. Two Sherpas spent hours with him trying to get him to stand up and move, but it was futile. They gave him a full tank of oxygen and he still remained unconscious and/or unresponsive. They also tried to drag him into the sunlight and even that took half an hour and a lot of energy. Eventually they got low on oxygen themselves and had to head back to safety. Sharp was doomed as soon as he sat down. He'd already been struggling before that, but there was no helping him once he was down.
Thats not a matter of skill. Prime Reinhold Messner together with Ueli Steck wouldnt have been able to get a body down to death zone if he isnt able to walk himself
I lived in the USA back in the 1990s and experienced an earthquake with a magnitude of 5.6 and that was reported as a serious one! Can't believe that an earthquake with a higher magnitude over 6 was considerd minor 🤔
@@glorysmummytrue. My dad was born in the 40s and he said it was common for boys to wear summer clothing in winter to prove how "tough" they were. They really did embody the whole "back in my day..." stereotype.
Nice video, but you should have mentioned Anatoli’s heroic actions, which resulted in nobody from the Mountain Madness team perishing save for their leader, Scott.
Everyone on Everest says it’s known you take your life in your own hands knowing no one can help you, but I bet those same people would still beg help if it were them.
Dude, what an informative and amazing stories! In the first one the teacher was incredibly selfish. Some might argue it was a different time, but it was the early 20th century, and society was already quite established by then. I can't understand what the teacher was thinking, taking 14-year-old boys into the mountains. Thank you for sharing this what a well constructed video.
Yes, especially when so many others offered advice and help along the way. You can find the monument on Google maps, it's only 1km from the small village of Hofsgrund. The Black Forest isn't exactly a mountain wilderness, in fact it's almost impossible to find a place in the whole area thats further than 4km from a village. I camped in there one night, and as soon as it got dark I could see the lights from several villages.
@@TheExtreme-Edge Very well deserved I can tell you put your heart and soul into these things. Really does show, I watch videos like this daily very few as well documented and with the first time viewers perspective in mind.
Love your narration of this video. I was right there. All of these stories where new to me except for Rob Hall and Scott Fisher. Thank you so much for the video.
David Sharp unfortunately doesn’t have anyone to blame but himself. He went alone, not telling anyone he was going for the summit. No oxygen, no radio and no Sherpa’s. No one just walked over him, he was offered help multiple times but was to far gone for that. There was no “indifference” for David there was nothing anyone could as he couldn’t walk and we all know if you can’t walk off the death zone then there’s unfortunately nothing that can be done to help. Great video regardless though!
I gave up watching this video when I got to the third story, the 1996 Everest disaster. Why? Because it is complete rubbish. There were perfect conditions when the groups left the highest camp for the summit climb. The weather remained perfect for the whole day, sunny with moderate winds. No worsening weather was ever apparent. and the bad weather struck fairly suddenly on their descent. The only reason they were caught out was because they'd spent too long on the summit. If they'd left earlier for the return to their top camp they would have made it easily before the storm arrived. They NEVER experienced any bad weather on the summit because apart from Rob Hall and the slow climber, Doug Hansen (for whom he decided to wait far too late), all the summiteers had left for the descent brfore the storm arrived. The amount of fiction in this story was already pretty bad, but at this point I was prepared to continue watching. However, when they say Rob Hall's partner, Jan Arnold, was at base camp trying to help arrange a rescue attempt......well. thats when the rubbish became too much and I gave up. Jan Arnold was back in New Zealand where she and Rob Hall lived. She was patched through by satellite phone for contact with base camp and was nowhere near Nepal at the time. They actually state this in the story a minute or so after saying she was in base camp! The voice of the narrator is typical of the odiots who tell these fairy tales - full of dread as they pretend to knpw what they're talking about when actually they haven't got a bloody clue. It's amazing to me that these videos and their crappy accounts of mountaineering are even allowed to be posted on UA-cam. Surely SOMEONE could take the time to check the facts first rather than produce a video filled with so much rubbish just for sensationalistism. HUGE THUMBS DOWN GUYS!
ghengisful. Aaaaah, so i DID hear it correctly. At first his partner (I thought he meant his climbing partner) was down below organizing a rescue and then (the stranded climber) is getting patched through to his other half in NZ ....more or less to say good bye. I thought I might have just been overthinking it, and moved on. Then I read your post.
@@maidalgb503He (@Ghengisful) is right about the misrepresentation of the facts. I agree with him that facts should be considered and checked (with multiple sources) when producing a video such as this one. It's about real people with real lives. Nothing hostile about that. You're welcome to disagree with me 😊
This first story infuriates me! I feel angry the teacher refused to show any compassion for the boys.😢 All of the adults they encountered should have called police to rescue them from Kiest. They could have forced the teacher to leave the boys with them. I would have tried, tell the boys they do not have to go.
I was at a summer camp and spent a really cold night on the ground using an inadequate sleeping bag - nobody noticed. Once in 18 degree F weather I couldn't feel my legs and told my father I was cold. He gruffly said, "We will be back soon." I was 8 or 10. Adults can not realize kids aren't dressed right, and proceed to further their own agenda. Luckily I didn't get hypothermia or frostbite.
At 36:28 that is Lincoln Hall, not David Sharp. Hall had his own run in with Everest in 2006, becoming one of the very few people to survive overnight on the upper ridge, near the summit, after suffering from cerebral edema and being left for dead. Hall had that very distinctive yellow snowsuit; I am pretty certain Sharp did not wear that color.
Who in the WORLD would do that and think it’s ok????? I’ve heard this story a couple of times and I just don’t get the thought process on this one!! I mean, was everybody high on something or what??? 🤷🏼♀️ Makes no sense at all 🧐🤨
Can you even imagine the trauma and mental anguish of getting to listen to your friends and companions screaming for help, screaming in pain, literally actually dying so close you can hear their suffering, but being absolutely powerless to help completely helpless to save them? And I did say 'get' because no matter how cosmicly awful that experience would be it's still infinitely preferable to being the one entombed alive beneath the snow
Whenever i go to some DIFFICULT ways places... I used to think why don't I turn BACK ... making my way back little bit SHORTER and LESSER DIFFICULTY ... !!!! Be Wise and Be aware . 😊👍🏻
really not cool david sharp was beyond help he was near the top where no man can help another. the night as you say was cold that season NO it was cold like all time Everest was sticking out of the atmosphere . at that altitude its a brutal non starter . and the biggest BS part of this all is the guy who was blamed not saving him was a DOUBLE AMPUTEE Davids friends n family all attest he would NEVER want anyone to stop to help because it was his call to he there and did not ant to kill others trying to save him
Exactly. The weather wasn't unusually cold at all, but David Sharp WAS woefully under-dressed for an Everest summit. Many of the other climbers even noted how strange it was that the (what they assumed was a) dead man was wearing such thin gloves and had no oxygen tanks.
Until you've done it, you'll never understand.... and some people just never feel the drive and excitement in challenging oneself. Maybe those people have a higher chance of living longer, but to those of us who do this stuff, we know you aren't really living life there sitting on the couch.
I'm surprised that the accident which I thought was the worst in terms of lives lost an people injured did not make it. There was an avalanche on Everest a few years ago which buried the Everest base camp and killed a lot of people, both in the camp, and ascending the mountain. It even took out the hospital tent there. A rescue and relief mission was mounted at the air field at Lukla, and supplies were dropped and rescuers were flown in by helicopter and that probably saved a number of people who had escaped death in the initial avalanche. Eventually the Napali army was able to mount a rescue mission and was able to evacuate the injured and remove the bodies of the deceased, as well as help reconstruct the base camp. Even now it remains the worst disaster at Everest, if not the worst disaster in mountaineering.
@@tjburr1968The more time goes on & the more these groups do this, it seem so insane & selfish! They step over the dying with no respect or humanity. They have as much business continuing to go where man is not intended to be as that "submarine" going down to view the Titanic. If it had not imploded how were they planning on getting up?
Because anything that adds Weight gets heavier and heavier as you become weaker and weaker. Obviously you never pushed any limits, but even a bottle of water becomes a dread- Just moving becomes death.
Somehow I don't think we've quite made it to year "Twenty thousand twenty two". (Time stamp would be right about 40:36). On a different video on this channel I saw someone asking if the voice was AI... I'm thinking now it might be. The content is still quite interesting nonetheless.
The 1996 tragedy on Everest waa not initially inevitable. The clipped lines were not in place because the Sherpa who should have helped put them in place was pulling a client up the last stretch. Clients were told to wait for leaders and became too cold. Leaders felt compelled to continue when they should have turned back because they felt compelled to get clients to the top. Finally, it emerged years later that Scott was getting weather reports and swapped summit days because ut was supposed to arrive a day later.
Watching many of these mountaineering videos, the overarching theme is save yourself. No one could be blamed for not being able to save another person. Both would die.
The 2pm turn back time was ignored from what I learnt about the Everest tragedy with Fisher and Hall. Also there was a problem with 1 of the guides not being in the right place. Also Fisher had apparently run back and forth between camps and he was without tanked oxygen as well right? Terribly sad for all but mother nature should always be respected. I think nowadays, many people going to Everest are there for the wrong reasons 🙄😕
It seems unreasonable to expect any rescue, anywhere on a mountain. You take that risk. Everyone is busy just trying to survive. I hold no grudges for those who pass on by.
I haven't verified but a teacher on his second and last summit attempt (due to finances) stopped to save someone in the death zone while everyone else carried on. Yes ethics comes into place but in the death zone many tourist climbers aren't equipped to help someone that weak and delirious. You also have to be able to help yourself. If youre not capable of helping your rescue team youre pretty much done for. But this guy gave up his ascent and I believe both made it down. The guy he saved had survived all night in the death zone and was in the final stages of hypothermia. At the end of the day ppl have to make choices and I would hope choose not to help someone bc it would make the situation worse vs a summit being more important. Anyone who does extreme sports knows it's a matter of when not if.
The climber that was saved was Lincoln Hall, pictured at 36:28 but labeled wrongly as Sharp. A big difference between his case and Sharp is that Hall could walk under his own power. He was suffering from cerebral edema and wasn't thinking clearly, but he could walk. Sharp was unlucky in that the night he climbed it was brutally cold and he was literally frozen when they tried to rescue him. As you said, "you have to be able to help yourself."
Another rule is if they can't walk, leave them as a regular "rope" climber wouldn't be able to get them down anyway and some people died trying anyway.
Many climbers did help Sharp. He gave up. They shared oxygen and tried to get him moving. If they give up there isn't much anyone can do up there. What you reported here is simply not true.
It was the death of David Sharp I found particularly disturbing. I am not a climber, so I cannot put myself in their position, but it struck me how callous these climbers are. I have seen pictures of the garbage left behind by the climbers anxious to see the beauty from the top of the world with little thought of what they had become to get there. Is it really worth leaving your humanity behind, to say a man isn't worth saving because your ambition to get to the top of a mountain is more important than a man's life? I'm sorry I could never live myself knowing I had done that.
We are not climbers, just armchair adventurers. Sharp had no team, no Sherpas, nothing. He was foolish to attempt the climb without oxygen and support. If you're interested, Thom Pollard on the Everest Mystery UA-cam channel has good videos about this. Thom has summited Everest and other mountains. Many people did try to help Mr. Sharp, but he couldn't walk, and no one could have carried him down.
I feel like you didn't research the David Sharp story well enough. 40 people might have walked by him, but 40 people DID NOT see him or "step over" him. He was tucked way under an overhang type cave. Since ascent is done at night, most people wouldn't have seen him. The few that did assumed he was taking a break. During their decent in daylight, it was now too late to help him, as you have to at least be able to walk to get down, you can't really be carried at that height on a mountain. Furthermore, he was by himself, and although some Sherpa did stop to assist him, he really was beyond help. Also, the Sherpa have a responsibility to climbers in their group first and foremost. I feel like this story was portrayed in an unfair light. Please do better research before posting such damning accussations.
Well the Everest climbers who perished did so as they loved what they did-extreme mountaineering and the lure of the deadliest peaks-was more important than remaining with their families. Oh well.
Only the nazis and the stupidity of the British government are worse than the disgraceful teacher/guide. Infuriating that her did not pay for that tragedy. Very thorough and captivating video, though :)
Can we get past these same few stories told over and over and over again cause creators are too lazy to search for and research fresh material, choosing to recycle the same old crap, mixed in with some stock photos snd packaged as original content for that quick UA-cam dollar. Now wash, rinse, clickbait and repeat.
Lenin Peak and Mt Everest are obviously hard core - would YOU ever go hiking in the Black Forest?
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Eh, Lenin Peak and Everest are nothing. I summeted Lenin Peak twice and only died on the way down. I then managed to summit Everest even though I was already dead. Someday, I'll come down off of here, but for now, I'm enjoying the view!
Not in shorts.
@@taraemcintyre How did you know? were you up here or something? I forgot to put on any pants and did it half nekid.
I've been hiking in the Black Forest since I was a little kid, it's obviously the toughest mountain range out there.
Love to! Of course I would have proper gear and if the locals told me to turn back, I'm turning back
I live in New Zealand. One detail is wrong in this video. Jan Arnold was at home in Christchurch, New Zealand when Rob Hall died on Everest. She was not at base camp. They decided she wouldnt go because she was 7 months pregnant with their daughter. Rob's radio was connected to satellite phone at the base of the mountain to her home in Christchurch. He told Jan during these calls that he would like their daughter to be named Sarah. Sarah Arnold Hall was born 2 months after the tragedy.
Those young boys were in shorts and sandals!!!! I simply can't believe it. What on earth was the teacher thinking ---- he wasn't and couldn't. What a dangerous empty head!!!!!😢
margarethunt6874.
Margaret, I hurriedly came into the comment section to find comments like yours. Totally unbelievable!! What sort of an idiot would take young boys out in this sort of terrain in shorts and sandals. What an absolute dimwit. He should have been criminally charged for that.
-ikr ... !-
Pure arrogance by the teacher.
Back then, shorts and sandals would have been school uniform sadly...
@@irenedemarco1354 Perhaps that was the dress code for the classroom, but it has no place out in the Black Forest.
The thing with David Sharp. Most people who passed him, did so at night when he was hard to see. And he was encouraged to get up when people did notice him. No one stepped over his body. He was tucked under a cave and people could walk right past him. Just had to unhook and hook to the line. He really was not that obvious to a lot of people. Plus people were expecting a dead body to be in that cave because of Green Boots. So I'm sure others did not even want to look in the cave for that reason. Thus, not seeing David and Green Boots.
Those who did stop to help, did so during the day time when you could finally see better. Sherpas had tried to move him into the sun to warm him up, and gave him a lot of oxygen to try and get him to move. But he couldn't walk. That was the problem. You at least need to be able to walk down from the death zone.
A lot of people have really mistold David Sharps story. Including this video when getting to the later details about trying to save him. No one stepped over a dying guy who was saveable. Sherpas wouldn't do something like that. They at least try to help. And the ones who worked with Russell Brand did try to help David. David's death is David's fault. He went up way too late in the day. He had no support. No nothing. And he sat down in the desthzone on one of the coldest nights. And expected other people to put their lives on the line for him. Taking advantage of other people's time, money, and recourses that he didn't want to pay for himself. I'm not saying that to bash him or anything. Just to high light that David didn't take proper care of himself that climb and he should be the only one to fault for what happened to him. Not anyone else. And it's a shame that other people are forever plagued with that dark mark on them cause of the backlash that came after the story got out.
I agree, it was a shame a double.amputee was shamed by Hillary. There were 30 others that passed that didnt get the backlash. Sharp tried to summit well past 2pm with no walkie talkie, no major supplies and alone. He had summit fever and he couldnt walk off the mountain. RIP
Thank you! I logged in just to comment this because this part of the video annoyed me so much and just shows a surface level of research. There's much better channels out there. If you want the real story without the BS, I recommended the channel Kyle Hates Hiking. There was no saving Sharp. Even if everyone could see him perfectly, Sharp was at the point where he couldn't walk. There was nothing they could do, it wasn't like they were an escalator ride back to base camp. Those who tried to encourage him to walk, did, but unless you're going to shame a bunch of people for not sitting with him and risking their own lives until he died, these armchair critics offer nothing but hot air.
Exactly. IIRC, there were two Sherpas who spent quite a long time with Sharp trying to get him to stand up and move. They gave him a full oxygen tank (buy it didn't help - he remained unconscious) and it took them over half an hour to move him into the sunlight in an attempt to warm him up. After a few hours with him, they were running low on oxygen and he was still unconscious and/or unresponsive, so they had to head back for their own safety. Sharp was doomed as soon as he sat down. People did try to help him but it was futile. And it sucks that so much controversy arose from it, especially considering Sharp's own mother said she doesn't blame anyone for what happened because when you're that high on the mountain, your only responsibility is to keep yourself safe.
YES! Came to the comments to say this exact this. What a terrible, incomplete portrayal of this story!
@@FallocaustKyle is excellent. Because of Kyle, I sent my son and his partner, who like to camp and hike in the Pacific Northwest, a Garmin mini for Christmas. I feel better knowing they have it, although I hope they never really need it.
For Everest, Thom Pollard and Everest Mystery is also an excellent channel.
The English schoolboy's monument is only 1km from the small village of Hofsgrund. It's pretty difficult to be more than 4km from any village in the Black Forrest. The teacher should have been held responsible. I wonder how many of the boys that survived ended up back in Germany in 1945.
Yes or how many of the Black Forest villagers opposed them.
Or did any of the boys end up fighting against the Germans?
@@Chiller11 One of them, Stanley C. Few, refused to fight in Germany in the war. He was send to asia. But thats only wikipedia knowlage.
A 6.4 magnitude earthquake is most definitely not minor.....I live in earthquake country and nobody here would consider that minor.
A 5.0 magnitude earthquake is considered "strong," 6.4 earthquake is considered "very strong" on the intensity scale of magnitudes of earthquakes. Cracks in walls can appear, people can lose their balance when walking, but a 7.0 is considered destructive; 8 is very destructive, 9 is devastating. E.g., the 1906 San Francisco earthquake was a 7.9, but the subsequent fires were what caused most of the destruction of the city. The 1989 earthquake in Santa Cruz, Calif was a 6.9. but it caused the Nimitz Freeway in downtown San Francisco to collapse, because much of San Francisco is built on landfill originally so that moderate damage occurred to many houses, especially in the Marina district because they were built on a landfill, not on bedrock!
Hiking in cold weather as well as in snow that could turn into a blizzard quickly is always a terrible idea even when hikers have appropriate supplies but to hike knowing there is snow and cold with only shorts and sandals is suicidal.
I was a Boy Scout leader, and I never allowed sandals in camp or on hikes, even in the summer. You'd be amazed how some parents dress their kids! We did a yearly "Klondike Derby," a one-day event totally outside in January with various competitions. One year it was held in a park by a lake and the weather was unusually cold even for Central New York; the windchill coming off that lake was -20 F. Two of the boys showed up in jackets that only went to their waists, wearing knitted mittens! One of the boys' fathers was also there, toasty warm in a snowmobile suit! Poor kid was in tears. I was furious with his dad; I'd sent letters home about appropriate clothing. I'd brought extra gloves and socks, handwarmers, chocolates, hot cocoa, and quick-cooking food for everybody. Damn...the point was to build the boys up and let them learn some survival skills and be proud of themselves, not make them miserable and court hypothermia!
That was a superb narration of those terrible tragedies. It was riveting, and I could
see each disaster unfolding in my mind's eye..Quite remarkable. Thank you.
Thanks so much!
As a beat up ex climber I hadn’t heard of the English Calamity nor the fatal avalanche on Lenin Peak. Mr. Keats sounds like he would qualify for what Monty Python termed the Upper Class Twit of the Year.
I disagree with what you're saying about David Sharp . It's not that people didn't want to help him, maybe they did but who is able? Who would be able to manage their own climb or descent with him in their arms? Who is able to do that ? That would take a lot of skill . The people that passed him by weren't bad people. They just weren't able to help him.
In conditions like that, you do try to help out but it’s basically everyone for himself. If you can’t walk on your own, you can’t expect anyone to help you.
@@angrydoggy9170Yet people have been helped successfully- Lincoln Hall for instance!
@@angrydoggy9170 exactly. Two Sherpas spent hours with him trying to get him to stand up and move, but it was futile. They gave him a full tank of oxygen and he still remained unconscious and/or unresponsive. They also tried to drag him into the sunlight and even that took half an hour and a lot of energy. Eventually they got low on oxygen themselves and had to head back to safety.
Sharp was doomed as soon as he sat down. He'd already been struggling before that, but there was no helping him once he was down.
Thats not a matter of skill. Prime Reinhold Messner together with Ueli Steck wouldnt have been able to get a body down to death zone if he isnt able to walk himself
Who hikes in the snow with open toe sandals…that part of the German story really surprised me.
Also, magnitude 6.4 earthquake is not considered minor
A Puerto Rican😂😂😂
I lived in the USA back in the 1990s and experienced an earthquake with a magnitude of 5.6 and that was reported as a serious one! Can't believe that an earthquake with a higher magnitude over 6 was considerd minor 🤔
I love the music in your videos…it’s a highlight for me regardless of the content…please don’t change it
Why would even allow young boys to go on and hike in shorts and sandals to begin with!¡Warning bells rt there!
The days before health and safety considerations. Poor boys 😪
@@glorysmummytrue. My dad was born in the 40s and he said it was common for boys to wear summer clothing in winter to prove how "tough" they were. They really did embody the whole "back in my day..." stereotype.
Nice video, but you should have mentioned Anatoli’s heroic actions, which resulted in nobody from the Mountain Madness team perishing save for their leader, Scott.
Never ignore the locals advice
Excellent narration of these adventures! Thank you!
Very well put together, new sub, keep up the nice work please!
thanks, really appreciate it
Everyone on Everest says it’s known you take your life in your own hands knowing no one can help you, but I bet those same people would still beg help if it were them.
He let them go on the hike with sandals and shorts, Keast must have been a doofus and surely not schooled in guiding anyone on a hike.
Solid video brother
Dude, what an informative and amazing stories! In the first one the teacher was incredibly selfish. Some might argue it was a different time, but it was the early 20th century, and society was already quite established by then. I can't understand what the teacher was thinking, taking 14-year-old boys into the mountains. Thank you for sharing this what a well constructed video.
hey, thanks for the feedback. Super glad you enjoyed the vid.
Yes, especially when so many others offered advice and help along the way. You can find the monument on Google maps, it's only 1km from the small village of Hofsgrund. The Black Forest isn't exactly a mountain wilderness, in fact it's almost impossible to find a place in the whole area thats further than 4km from a village. I camped in there one night, and as soon as it got dark I could see the lights from several villages.
@@TheExtreme-Edge Very well deserved I can tell you put your heart and soul into these things. Really does show, I watch videos like this daily very few as well documented and with the first time viewers perspective in mind.
Well if I enjoy it half as much as you, I shall be a happy man 🙂. I'll let you know. 😉
And some in shorts and sandals no less!
Love your narration of this video. I was right there. All of these stories
where new to me except for Rob Hall and Scott Fisher. Thank you so much
for the video.
“A place known for being so warm and full of life.” That jarred me, for a nano second. LOL.
Anyone who climbs Everest or k2 are responsible for themselves. Their adults and choose to do life threatening activities.
Use 'they're' or 'they are' but not 'their'
@@rabbitss11 thanks teacher heaven forbid someone should make an error.
@@64HomeMade sorry, however, at least I'm not saying 'your welcome' (which would also be wrong)
@@rabbitss11 you sound like my husband 🙂
@@64HomeMade an indictment if ever there was
David Sharp unfortunately doesn’t have anyone to blame but himself. He went alone, not telling anyone he was going for the summit. No oxygen, no radio and no Sherpa’s. No one just walked over him, he was offered help multiple times but was to far gone for that. There was no “indifference” for David there was nothing anyone could as he couldn’t walk and we all know if you can’t walk off the death zone then there’s unfortunately nothing that can be done to help. Great video regardless though!
IIRC he was also severely under-dressed for the weather conditions. That's part of the reason a lot of the other climbers assumed he was already dead.
I gave up watching this video when I got to the third story, the 1996 Everest disaster. Why? Because it is complete rubbish. There were perfect conditions when the groups left the highest camp for the summit climb. The weather remained perfect for the whole day, sunny with moderate winds. No worsening weather was ever apparent. and the bad weather struck fairly suddenly on their descent. The only reason they were caught out was because they'd spent too long on the summit. If they'd left earlier for the return to their top camp they would have made it easily before the storm arrived. They NEVER experienced any bad weather on the summit because apart from Rob Hall and the slow climber, Doug Hansen (for whom he decided to wait far too late), all the summiteers had left for the descent brfore the storm arrived. The amount of fiction in this story was already pretty bad, but at this point I was prepared to continue watching. However, when they say Rob Hall's partner, Jan Arnold, was at base camp trying to help arrange a rescue attempt......well. thats when the rubbish became too much and I gave up. Jan Arnold was back in New Zealand where she and Rob Hall lived. She was patched through by satellite phone for contact with base camp and was nowhere near Nepal at the time. They actually state this in the story a minute or so after saying she was in base camp! The voice of the narrator is typical of the odiots who tell these fairy tales - full of dread as they pretend to knpw what they're talking about when actually they haven't got a bloody clue. It's amazing to me that these videos and their crappy accounts of mountaineering are even allowed to be posted on UA-cam. Surely SOMEONE could take the time to check the facts first rather than produce a video filled with so much rubbish just for sensationalistism. HUGE THUMBS DOWN GUYS!
People friends of Rob Hall tried to organize a rescue but the conditions were so bad that they couldn’t. Google it.
Feeling a little hostile today?
ghengisful.
Aaaaah, so i DID hear it correctly. At first his partner (I thought he meant his climbing partner) was down below organizing a rescue and then (the stranded climber) is getting patched through to his other half in NZ ....more or less to say good bye. I thought I might have just been overthinking it, and moved on. Then I read your post.
@@maidalgb503He (@Ghengisful) is right about the misrepresentation of the facts. I agree with him that facts should be considered and checked (with multiple sources) when producing a video such as this one. It's about real people with real lives. Nothing hostile about that.
You're welcome to disagree with me 😊
No worse than the creators talking about Mt Everest mixing up the south vs north sides climb.
This first story infuriates me! I feel angry the teacher refused to show any compassion for the boys.😢 All of the adults they encountered should have called police to rescue them from Kiest. They could have forced the teacher to leave the boys with them. I would have tried, tell the boys they do not have to go.
Keast got away with murder
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Why would you take young boys to a snowy hike that had shorts on? Even the ones with adequate clothing.
I was at a summer camp and spent a really cold night on the ground using an inadequate sleeping bag - nobody noticed. Once in 18 degree F weather I couldn't feel my legs and told my father I was cold. He gruffly said, "We will be back soon." I was 8 or 10. Adults can not realize kids aren't dressed right, and proceed to further their own agenda. Luckily I didn't get hypothermia or frostbite.
@@snowmiaow You were lucky. I hope you weren't taken out again.
While I admire the bravery of these climbers their “dream “ would be my nightmare. I can’t even fathom why anyone would want to do this!
First story teacher was hopeless very sad indeed. They suffered
At 36:28 that is Lincoln Hall, not David Sharp. Hall had his own run in with Everest in 2006, becoming one of the very few people to survive overnight on the upper ridge, near the summit, after suffering from cerebral edema and being left for dead. Hall had that very distinctive yellow snowsuit; I am pretty certain Sharp did not wear that color.
They COULDN'T have left in shorts and sandles?!!
They were probably Birkenstocks.
Really! Had they never seen snow before?
Who in the WORLD would do that and think it’s ok????? I’ve heard this story a couple of times and I just don’t get the thought process on this one!! I mean, was everybody high on something or what??? 🤷🏼♀️
Makes no sense at all 🧐🤨
@@LyndaHarris-cj1vm teachers in the 1930s obviously. I live in germany but never heard of thid story. This teacher was next level stupidity
Can you even imagine the trauma and mental anguish of getting to listen to your friends and companions screaming for help, screaming in pain, literally actually dying so close you can hear their suffering, but being absolutely powerless to help completely helpless to save them? And I did say 'get' because no matter how cosmicly awful that experience would be it's still infinitely preferable to being the one entombed alive beneath the snow
Great story
worst for the boys!
Nothing more deadly than an idiot who doesn’t heed warnings. That teacher was completely at fault for everything that happened.
None of us wanna see anyone in danger or pain... but these climbers know 100% the risks before they step one foot on the mountain...
With the exception of the children of course
@@Geronimo2Fly
Whenever i go to some DIFFICULT ways places...
I used to think why don't I turn BACK ... making my way back little bit SHORTER and LESSER DIFFICULTY ... !!!!
Be Wise and Be aware .
😊👍🏻
really not cool david sharp was beyond help he was near the top where no man can help another. the night as you say was cold that season NO it was cold like all time Everest was sticking out of the atmosphere . at that altitude its a brutal non starter . and the biggest BS part of this all is the guy who was blamed not saving him was a DOUBLE AMPUTEE Davids friends n family all attest he would NEVER want anyone to stop to help because it was his call to he there and did not ant to kill others trying to save him
Exactly. The weather wasn't unusually cold at all, but David Sharp WAS woefully under-dressed for an Everest summit. Many of the other climbers even noted how strange it was that the (what they assumed was a) dead man was wearing such thin gloves and had no oxygen tanks.
WHY????? I will never understand why people will take such risks just to walk to the top of a treacherous mountain and walk back down.
Until you've done it, you'll never understand.... and some people just never feel the drive and excitement in challenging oneself. Maybe those people have a higher chance of living longer, but to those of us who do this stuff, we know you aren't really living life there sitting on the couch.
I'm surprised that the accident which I thought was the worst in terms of lives lost an people injured did not make it. There was an avalanche on Everest a few years ago which buried the Everest base camp and killed a lot of people, both in the camp, and ascending the mountain. It even took out the hospital tent there. A rescue and relief mission was mounted at the air field at Lukla, and supplies were dropped and rescuers were flown in by helicopter and that probably saved a number of people who had escaped death in the initial avalanche. Eventually the Napali army was able to mount a rescue mission and was able to evacuate the injured and remove the bodies of the deceased, as well as help reconstruct the base camp. Even now it remains the worst disaster at Everest, if not the worst disaster in mountaineering.
I'll never understand why climbers don't carry shovels and an axe. Seems almost obvious if you're trekking up and down snowy mountains.
I'll never understand attempt such an inherently dangerous endeavor as climbing snow/ice covered mountains. I think they call it mountaineering,
@@tjburr1968The more time goes on & the more these groups do this, it seem so insane & selfish! They step over the dying with no respect or humanity.
They have as much business continuing to go where man is not intended to be as that "submarine" going down to view the Titanic. If it had not imploded how were they planning on getting up?
Because anything that adds Weight gets heavier and heavier as you become weaker and weaker.
Obviously you never pushed any limits, but even a bottle of water becomes a dread-
Just moving becomes death.
Did this school teacher later become an SS officer seems like he would qualify!
Somehow I don't think we've quite made it to year "Twenty thousand twenty two". (Time stamp would be right about 40:36). On a different video on this channel I saw someone asking if the voice was AI... I'm thinking now it might be. The content is still quite interesting nonetheless.
The 1996 tragedy on Everest waa not initially inevitable. The clipped lines were not in place because the Sherpa who should have helped put them in place was pulling a client up the last stretch. Clients were told to wait for leaders and became too cold. Leaders felt compelled to continue when they should have turned back because they felt compelled to get clients to the top.
Finally, it emerged years later that Scott was getting weather reports and swapped summit days because ut was supposed to arrive a day later.
Watching many of these mountaineering videos, the overarching theme is save yourself. No one could be blamed for not being able to save another person. Both would die.
The 2pm turn back time was ignored from what I learnt about the Everest tragedy with Fisher and Hall. Also there was a problem with 1 of the guides not being in the right place. Also Fisher had apparently run back and forth between camps and he was without tanked oxygen as well right? Terribly sad for all but mother nature should always be respected. I think nowadays, many people going to Everest are there for the wrong reasons 🙄😕
I wouldn’t go get my mail at my sidewalk in shorts and sandals if it were cold and snowing, let alone go climb a mountain!!! What in the world???!! 😳
A cold morning in 20,000 22?
It seems unreasonable to expect any rescue, anywhere on a mountain. You take that risk. Everyone is busy just trying to survive. I hold no grudges for those who pass on by.
I haven't verified but a teacher on his second and last summit attempt (due to finances) stopped to save someone in the death zone while everyone else carried on. Yes ethics comes into place but in the death zone many tourist climbers aren't equipped to help someone that weak and delirious. You also have to be able to help yourself. If youre not capable of helping your rescue team youre pretty much done for. But this guy gave up his ascent and I believe both made it down. The guy he saved had survived all night in the death zone and was in the final stages of hypothermia. At the end of the day ppl have to make choices and I would hope choose not to help someone bc it would make the situation worse vs a summit being more important. Anyone who does extreme sports knows it's a matter of when not if.
The climber that was saved was Lincoln Hall, pictured at 36:28 but labeled wrongly as Sharp. A big difference between his case and Sharp is that Hall could walk under his own power. He was suffering from cerebral edema and wasn't thinking clearly, but he could walk. Sharp was unlucky in that the night he climbed it was brutally cold and he was literally frozen when they tried to rescue him. As you said, "you have to be able to help yourself."
Another rule is if they can't walk, leave them as a regular "rope" climber wouldn't be able to get them down anyway and some people died trying anyway.
There are some good stories here
Terrific
Many climbers did help Sharp. He gave up. They shared oxygen and tried to get him moving. If they give up there isn't much anyone can do up there. What you reported here is simply not true.
worst teacher EVER. that man should have been--i dunno, EDUCATED?!?!?!?
It was the death of David Sharp I found particularly disturbing. I am not a climber, so I cannot put myself in their position, but it struck me how callous these climbers are. I have seen pictures of the garbage left behind by the climbers anxious to see the beauty from the top of the world with little thought of what they had become to get there. Is it really worth leaving your humanity behind, to say a man isn't worth saving because your ambition to get to the top of a mountain is more important than a man's life? I'm sorry I could never live myself knowing I had done that.
We are not climbers, just armchair adventurers. Sharp had no team, no Sherpas, nothing. He was foolish to attempt the climb without oxygen and support. If you're interested, Thom Pollard on the Everest Mystery UA-cam channel has good videos about this. Thom has summited Everest and other mountains. Many people did try to help Mr. Sharp, but he couldn't walk, and no one could have carried him down.
shorts and. sandals...and a square head in charge...what could go wrong?
I would bet the boxer went down first cause while fit he had very little body fat so lost heat faster.
Was wondering why he would go down first. Thank you for the explanation.
Is this an AI voice? Is that why "Keast" kept being pronounced differently and there are so many repeated thesaurus words?
I noticed that too. Really annoying.
Really need to train the AI narrator a little better; inconsistent pronunciation of proper and place names, trouble with numbers. It breaks the flow.
Sorry; people who do this need to accept that this totally insane. Sorry for their deaths, but they knew what they were doing.
I feel like you didn't research the David Sharp story well enough. 40 people might have walked by him, but 40 people DID NOT see him or "step over" him. He was tucked way under an overhang type cave. Since ascent is done at night, most people wouldn't have seen him. The few that did assumed he was taking a break. During their decent in daylight, it was now too late to help him, as you have to at least be able to walk to get down, you can't really be carried at that height on a mountain. Furthermore, he was by himself, and although some Sherpa did stop to assist him, he really was beyond help. Also, the Sherpa have a responsibility to climbers in their group first and foremost. I feel like this story was portrayed in an unfair light. Please do better research before posting such damning accussations.
If I had a dollar for every time I've heard the story of David Sharp I could buy a brand new car.
The guy in the thumbnail should put his boots on properly
😂😂 I noticed that too! If his bone was snapped & twisted backwards, clothes wouldn't be pristine white 😂
Very nice video and Rob’s wife reminded me of Princess Diana. Not so much in looks but her sweet demeanor 😊
Well the Everest climbers who perished did so as they loved what they did-extreme mountaineering and the lure of the deadliest peaks-was more important than remaining with their families.
Oh well.
Story is great but music on background
Except for the students all I see is a whole bunch of egomaniacs who care more about their egos than their own lives and the pain they leave behind.
I think your thumbnails foot is on backwards
How do smart educated people do the most stupid things.
I'm convinced that cave diving is much safer than hiking. 😂
that is just mad, in shorts, a bit of forward thinking would have helped, just ridiculous, some people have no common sense
A video idea: Elisabeth Revol and Tomac on Nanga Parbat
thanks!
I can't,.. I JUST CAN NOT.
-! Bypass anything titled "Brucily Kilt"-! By godt, caint 🎉 pass by Brucily Kilt 🎉
No hiking in the Black Forest for me! I use common sense!
Only the nazis and the stupidity of the British government are worse than the disgraceful teacher/guide. Infuriating that her did not pay for that tragedy. Very thorough and captivating video, though :)
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I have no pity for dead adventure-seekers.
AI voice-overs just aren't there yet. Shoulda used a human instead.
Can we get past these same few stories told over and over and over again cause creators are too lazy to search for and research fresh material, choosing to recycle the same old crap, mixed in with some stock photos snd packaged as original content for that quick UA-cam dollar. Now wash, rinse, clickbait and repeat.
Is this ai?
The group called Mountain-Madnes. What then can go wrong...hiihiii
You can't fix stupid, especially in teachers.
Ai
If you are going on "all women" hike dont use male Sherpas
Its a Union Flag ffs
Nope all those people went by him and he was still alive that's just not acceptable it's not right for no money in the world
Rome could only release a body to a relative. Joseph was the uncle of Mary. the great uncle of Jesus.