Yeah I agree - adding an onboard transmitter system to their mixers would help the tech take off, and definitely make a receiver pack, enabling people to use IEMs.
I bought the AIAIAI over a year ago and I love DJ'ing with wireless cans. Would never go back for gigs. On RARE occasion I've come up against their volume limit, but I get it. I also use the AIAIAI for casual listening around the house here and there-they're excellent for a meditation! I play drums and I've used them for practicing along to a song as well as playing to a click in rehearsal. In fact, I think having a cable is even more of a bother in the drumming use case than for DJing.
I've been DJing wirelessly for years, since around 2016 IIRC. I was using an FM stereo transmitter and a pocket FM radio as the receiver. Zero latency, but just a slight audio hiss and occasional static when I walked too far away. Then I found an ultra low latency 2.4Ghz stereo transmitter/receiver set for less than 50 bucks, and I love it. Excellent audio quality, no hiss or static, and ultra low latency as advertised.
@@MossRcIntosh The cool thing about my product is the transmitter is powered by USB and it has a stereo line input. But I don't even need the line input because the USB show up on the computer as a stereo input. I guess the line input is good for standalone gear.
@@MossRcIntosh Described as "NO DELAY" but there is on my product, but very negligible. I recorded it on audacity, one channel directly wired to my computer and the other channel wired to the wireless receiver, you can see a teeny bit of latency on the start of the waveform. It wouldn't matter to those of us that use the sync button anyway. Plus we use the waveform on the software to que.
9ms is quite a lot for scratching. on traktor i get 4ms input delay with the audio 8 box and 8m/s direct to my Kut mixer and i can feel that difference, and both less quick compared to scratching vinyl
13:50 100% I got the AIAIAI Wireless Studio as soon as they were available for pre-order. Great at home, but not loud enough for DJing. And they’ve remained in the box since. But I immediately made the comment to AIAIAI that they should make a higher powered beltpack receiver for use with any headphones and more particularly for those wishing to use IEMs. I have a Sennheiser IEM kit, and I love the freedom, but it’s bulky. AlphaTheta really need to take note and develop this now, because if they do I think they’ll really own that part of the market if they get their first. Like you I’d order it immediately. But would also prefer faster charge times too. Nice review 👏🏻
As an addition to fast charge, they should also look at a hard shell charging case to aid DJs in their prep. They get charged when you put them away, and you charge the case while you’re at your gig. Seems obvious really.
I'm pretty happy to see this come to market. I've been using Dellinger Labs' Streetheart receiver with their Dani transmitter for the same thing but with my headphones of choice instead. Sure, the Skaa Pro packs are bigger and they have an antenna sticking out but they're also battery powered and the latency is 19 ms in Pro mode. Of course, that latency is also noticeable depending on what you're paying attention to, but I found it to be actually mostly equal to the latency I get with the monitors on stage and even the mains (which are often even more delayed). If Skaa could make a mode that's even faster than 19 ms, they'd have a lot of potential I think considering how the tech has been open for collabs with other manufacturers.
I 100% agree that I just want a receiver. It allows the most flexibility and you don't get locked in to the headphone ecosystem. Unlikely to happen though.
The only thing about this is to get true stereo, which you’d want if you ever use split cue, you need to use both transmitters, but apart from being a little bit of a bitty setup, it does work pretty well.
@@MossRcIntosh I always use both transmitters & that’s how I am able to get cue in left ear, master in right & use dials to dial in exactly how much of each in either ear. I can also have master volume playing under the cue. It’s super helpful for me to mix with tremendous detail.
in order for it to catch on, they need a standard and possibly open source protocol. Pioneer has a bad rep on supporting products like this in the long run
Definitely wants to be a standard if we go down the route of integrating in to mixers. And what about mixers with dual cue systems, do they both get it, or only the primary?
I’d argue that AIAIAI were first to market technically. But they didn’t quite hit the spot for DJing and they were marketed for studio use primarily, so AlphaTheta aren’t totally wrong. I’m more interested in who brings out the high powered belt pack first now.
Heres what im hoping happens... that this sparks a dj headphone development race amongst the different tech companies, sennheiser included, and results in many different decent options becoming available to us all..(both in-ear and over-ear). Hopefully, drive prices down, too!!
Insane, especially for this type of product where you need the ability of a 30 min charge to get you through a gig perhaps. Actually what these really want is a hard shell charging case.
Ive used razer gaming headphones (2.4ghz, not the bluetooth type), with an asio driver going down up to 96 ms latency and they are "ok" for mixing , but for scratching, better with cable. Ive used rf headphones and they work very good in terms of latency. Ill stick to the technics rp or the hd25. Now im using a vestax hmx-07 and they are ok (they were cheap and they are very flexible with detachable cable). I like on ear headphones. Those wireless means charging, carring the receiver and cables. Better to keep it simple, at the end cables doesnt bother too much.
Why no mention of Audio-Technia headphones as one of the industries best options? I have owned Sennheiser HD-25's prior, and I now own the Audio-Technia ATH-M50x's, and they are every bit as good sounding, comfortable and last as long when compared the HD-25's. I know this may be a bit of a personal gripe, but I feel the ATH-M50x's need to be mentioned when talking about the high quality headphones that champion the market...
I've been using SKAA's Akiko Pro transmitter and Rush reciever for my IEMS with a mini ANKER battery to power the reciever. All in, about $200 for the transmitter / reciever combo and I can use my nice IEMs to protect my hearing rather than overears. 19ms latency, so more than this, but still pretty hard to notice. And you can add another reciever if you want for B2B sets (the transmitters can transmit to two recievers).
Two things set them apart: Mojaxx claiming these go much louder. I have the AIAIAI and can confirm that on RARE occasion I've come up against their volume limit. And two: the Pioneer/AT name.
Thinking about grabbing this transmitter and using it on my PC for latency free wireless audio. got the AZ already so I don't need the transmitter, but it would be nice to still have it as a backup.
Classic Alpha Theta tbh Like you said they could have made a HD variant with this tech but they saw £££ and decided the headphones needed to be multi purpose $500 and no hard case? OUCH! I'm never going to switch away from using Sennheiser Momentum in my day to day, but a HD25 style pair of wireless DJ focused cans, would sway me for a DJ focused solution. Such a missed opportunity
HD25 and money left over for buying at least 150 digital lossless tracks. The tracks will keep me happy, that headphone surely will not. Great review M👍🏻
If this catches on, the one thing that is concerning is if someone in the audience runs a jamming device to fuck with the DJ. Those devices can be relatively small (think power bank size) based on what's been put out at defcon, so it's real possibility of someone sneaking those into festival grounds. Honestly, where milliseconds matter, I'll stick with wired especially when there's just so many new factors that comes in to play aside from security concerns especially since festivals can be very wet and humid environments, even clubs.
It may be a minor issue but, it begs the question whether there is any danger of 'brain fry', or be affected by micro level of radiation when using this Bluetooth product for long periods? Or am I being a wuss! Love (all) your videos!
I believe that any headphone that is not around-ear, such as on-ear, is not suitable for DJing. It's more suited for casual listening and monitoring. However, if this headphone offers really low latency, I'll definitely consider getting one.
wireless means charging.Charging means not forgetting to do so.A wire never needs charging and new headphones can detach wires so you can have spares, long and short..Of course not having a wire restrict your movement inside the booth is a nice idea but we shall see how the new tech fares but always keep a wire ready just in case.
@djcity is there a chance the transmitter of the alpha Theta can interfere with the transmitter of the dj phase? When using my phase at home, Ive experience interference with my Govee Bluetooth lights that are hanging around my home.
Great review Mojaxx but I've gotta call Alpha Theta out on something here. Doesn't Richie Hawtin use the high-end version of the AIAIAI wireless headphones &worked with them to get the latency down until he was happy to use it in his live shows.....? And still using them today? Needs double checking but I'd hold off on the 1st to market claims for now if I was them
This is cool- but still needs alot of work imho. With the main reasons being 1) The latency wouldnt be suitable for turntabllists 2) The link would need to be open source. Pioneer cant and wont ever have a monopoly on DJ headphones. If anyone could, it would be our old mate senny 3) you aint supposed to run em while plugged in.. I really want a word with whoever came up with that spectacle! Im not saying scrap the wireless bit, but I dont want yet another device to have to worry about charging! I honestly dont mind having an extra box, less stuff which could potentially interfere with the signal chain internally on the mixer- what really gets me worked up is the lack of ear protecting headphones!! I've used the Vic Firth ones, and again was really disappointed. Even wired theres faults with theirs too. I play drums and you can imagine the disappointment when, after years of playing a renoundly loud instrument- got tinnitus from mixing vinyl on loud PA systems. I've thought for so long this is such a basic gap in the market nobodys tapped into. Valiant effort though none the less. Intrested to see how many people make the switch now its got that pioneer treatment! Fast charging would be a nice addition too. Belter review as always mojaxx. Thanks for giving it to us straight. Like a pear cider.
Nein Nein und Nein. Wie einfach der Großteil aus dem Hause Pioneer nicht durchdacht. Da habe ich lieber meine Kabelgebundenen HD25 wo man alles austauschen kann wenn was kaputt ist, als einen überteuerten Kopfhörer den ich wegschmeißen kann wenn was kaputt ist. Wifi hin oder her aber im Bereich Dj ist er der falsche Kopfhörer. Wenn Alpha weiter so macht mit seinen Produkten die einfach überteuert sind, werden Sie bald von der Bildfläche verschwunden sein
i have tried wireless and the results have not been good .So far a wire directly into the mixer can not be beaten and even if you can get ones that work in your home set up it might not do do well on the road with all the various signals and interference you might get a festival or a busy club.There is a reason dj headphones have not changed much and that is because they just work and do the job that people buy them for.If these or others can make wireless work then it will be nice not to get tangled or pull at the mixer because the wire is too short.So time will tell.
I'll bet $5 USD that the 2.4 transmitter on these will render the Phase completely inoperable. Similarly, I wonder if the Wi-Fi on older MBPs will disrupt these so you end up having to plug in anyway. There's absolutely no reason not to make devices like these 5 ghz instead of 2.4 so we can take advantage of the diversity and use more than one wireless device in our setups. My X10s are falling apart, but if they sound the same and the wireless is still 2.4, I might as well save the cash and get another pair of X10s. Damn ... I REALLY wanted to like these.
On a positive note, I do appreciate where their head is at, and I think when we all collectively move on from 2.4 and start getting serious about wireless low-latency audio, the next gen version of these are gonna be brilliant.
@@Mojaxx Always appreciate your work man. A pair of "X10s" but with Bluetooth for the same price isn't bad either. I might just go the wired route and play around with the transmitter later down the line.
I’ve given up on Pioneer headphones. They just seem to disintegrate with time. Even their top tier headphones. They’re too expensive for that nonsense. HD25’s for the win. Plus I’m not too fussed about a wire on headphones for DJ’ing.
"you may ask why I mentioned Apple?!"... because Apple soon enter DJ industry. And knowing what they do with laptops, phones, etc they may create a best Dj controller (Algoritm) 😀
Actually, it's €620 for the AlphaTheta ( + HD25), because you can't just buy Pioneer without a properly built backup device. And you'll definitely need a backup headphone with this, because just like any other plastic Pioneer headphones, they'll be useless when they suddenly break (and be sure - they will brake).
@@DJG-RebelI lovehow the xdj sound but I hate that you can’t switch which side the cable goes on. I’m still using my hd8 dj sennheisers till the wheels fall off.
I don't really get the use case for these? just seems like more stuff to go wrong/stress over... i guess if you're one of 'those' DJs who prance around the stage throwing cakes etc they might be useful, but most guys stood behind the decks are just swaying along and mixing. Ive been DJing for around 25yrs, the first 11 i had around 4/5 sets of Sony and Pioneer headphones, the last 14 ive been using a single pair of HD-25s, still going strong (with new ear pads). Do yourselves a favour and buy a springy chord for the HD-25s, then you can move around without pulling it out and save yourself 350 quid.
@@DJBOOGIEMANFROMCUR I don't need to though, my 14yr old HD-25s are still working well, for both home and gig use... far better things to spend a couple of hundred quid on.
9 ms for monitoring is unacceptable, audible and unnecessary. Shure PSM300 in ear monitoring system has 0,5 ms and has been on the market for ages. Can't see why A/T could not do better at this.
I was interested but 9ms is far too long of a delay. Hard pass. Music will simply not match with your foldback monitors you will have to account for the delay. Very useful for headphone mixing though.
But the big question still is .. WHY .. Why would u spent 400 euro if you already have a good set? If you are a DJ you won't be running around the place , so a 2-3 m cable is fine and if that cable really bothers you that much, well.. play hardstyle. Those Dj's never seem to use headphones anyway ..;)
The only reason HD25s are so popular is because they're built like brick shithouses, plus they're user replaceable down to the drivers. That's something that a lot of manufacturers lack. I know AIAIAI have tried, but they've missed the mark in terms of sound quality from what I've heard from friends. Until someone creates a pair of headphones that stand up to the HD25 in terms of durability and longevity in terms of user replaceable parts (which let's be honest, is a godsend when most companies are anti-right to repair), then I know a lot of DJs will be sticking to the HD25s.
Yeah I agree - adding an onboard transmitter system to their mixers would help the tech take off, and definitely make a receiver pack, enabling people to use IEMs.
The first built in unit they have incorporated with this system is the new XDJ AZ.
*Sennheiser HD 25.*
*Next!*
I could listen to you review wooden pallets and it would still be lit. Another excellent review Mojaxx!
I bought the AIAIAI over a year ago and I love DJ'ing with wireless cans. Would never go back for gigs. On RARE occasion I've come up against their volume limit, but I get it. I also use the AIAIAI for casual listening around the house here and there-they're excellent for a meditation! I play drums and I've used them for practicing along to a song as well as playing to a click in rehearsal. In fact, I think having a cable is even more of a bother in the drumming use case than for DJing.
Of the reviews of this product I’ve heard so far, this is definitely the most useful and comprehensive. Well done, Mojaxx!
I've been DJing wirelessly for years, since around 2016 IIRC. I was using an FM stereo transmitter and a pocket FM radio as the receiver. Zero latency, but just a slight audio hiss and occasional static when I walked too far away. Then I found an ultra low latency 2.4Ghz stereo transmitter/receiver set for less than 50 bucks, and I love it. Excellent audio quality, no hiss or static, and ultra low latency as advertised.
Which system and what kinda latency?
@@MossRcIntosh I posted a long reply but it was rejected, YT won't allow me to post anything that mention other platforms. Give me your email.
@@MossRcIntosh The cool thing about my product is the transmitter is powered by USB and it has a stereo line input. But I don't even need the line input because the USB show up on the computer as a stereo input. I guess the line input is good for standalone gear.
@@MossRcIntosh And you're in luck, Amazon US ships this product to the UK for $9.87 USD
@@MossRcIntosh Described as "NO DELAY" but there is on my product, but very negligible. I recorded it on audacity, one channel directly wired to my computer and the other channel wired to the wireless receiver, you can see a teeny bit of latency on the start of the waveform. It wouldn't matter to those of us that use the sync button anyway. Plus we use the waveform on the software to que.
Been waiting for these for years hope there good
Got my bose noise cancelling headphones still and they work perfectly for everyday use. My Dj headphones are still the HDJ-X10s and love them as well
I am using the Xvive u4 in ear monitoring system for deejaying almost 3 years now and very very happy with it!
That system looks great but it's only mono, and sometimes I need to use split cue.
9ms is quite a lot for scratching. on traktor i get 4ms input delay with the audio 8 box and 8m/s direct to my Kut mixer and i can feel that difference, and both less quick compared to scratching vinyl
Belt pack for IEM/make any headphone wireless = insta cop! Great shout Mojaxx
13:50 100% I got the AIAIAI Wireless Studio as soon as they were available for pre-order. Great at home, but not loud enough for DJing. And they’ve remained in the box since. But I immediately made the comment to AIAIAI that they should make a higher powered beltpack receiver for use with any headphones and more particularly for those wishing to use IEMs. I have a Sennheiser IEM kit, and I love the freedom, but it’s bulky. AlphaTheta really need to take note and develop this now, because if they do I think they’ll really own that part of the market if they get their first. Like you I’d order it immediately. But would also prefer faster charge times too. Nice review 👏🏻
As an addition to fast charge, they should also look at a hard shell charging case to aid DJs in their prep. They get charged when you put them away, and you charge the case while you’re at your gig. Seems obvious really.
Belt pack kit would be way to go for me. I love my IEM.
I'm pretty happy to see this come to market.
I've been using Dellinger Labs' Streetheart receiver with their Dani transmitter for the same thing but with my headphones of choice instead.
Sure, the Skaa Pro packs are bigger and they have an antenna sticking out but they're also battery powered and the latency is 19 ms in Pro mode.
Of course, that latency is also noticeable depending on what you're paying attention to, but I found it to be actually mostly equal to the latency I get with the monitors on stage and even the mains (which are often even more delayed).
If Skaa could make a mode that's even faster than 19 ms, they'd have a lot of potential I think considering how the tech has been open for collabs with other manufacturers.
Thank you🙏 if they actually come out with a package for IEM users I’m all in
looks great. About time something like this got released. Would also love to see more color variations.
I 100% agree that I just want a receiver. It allows the most flexibility and you don't get locked in to the headphone ecosystem. Unlikely to happen though.
The MXER headphone bag you reviewed not so long ago looks like it would accommodate both these headphones and the transmitter pretty well!
I use the rode wireless pro mic with attenuator cable & amplifier + custom UE earbuds. It has fundamentally changed the way I DJ!
How? Genuine question...
The only thing about this is to get true stereo, which you’d want if you ever use split cue, you need to use both transmitters, but apart from being a little bit of a bitty setup, it does work pretty well.
@@MossRcIntosh I always use both transmitters & that’s how I am able to get cue in left ear, master in right & use dials to dial in exactly how much of each in either ear. I can also have master volume playing under the cue. It’s super helpful for me to mix with tremendous detail.
in order for it to catch on, they need a standard and possibly open source protocol. Pioneer has a bad rep on supporting products like this in the long run
Definitely wants to be a standard if we go down the route of integrating in to mixers. And what about mixers with dual cue systems, do they both get it, or only the primary?
Well, that's a big development for sure.
Erm Aiaiai have been rocking this for a couple of years!
I’d argue that AIAIAI were first to market technically. But they didn’t quite hit the spot for DJing and they were marketed for studio use primarily, so AlphaTheta aren’t totally wrong.
I’m more interested in who brings out the high powered belt pack first now.
We need a universal low latency transmitter
No latency…. Called a wire.
I can even imagine a mixer and or controller with a transmitter inside 🎉🎉
As someone born in 88 the hd25 was released 36 years ago and not “getting on for 40 years ago” thank you
I’m very much afraid it is! But then, I was born 10 years before that, so I’m not terribly happy about the implication either… 🤣
Sounds pretty cool. It’s a shame as I bought new Pioneer DJ Headphone’s last year. Still it’s def something I’ll look into. Great review.
Heres what im hoping happens... that this sparks a dj headphone development race amongst the different tech companies, sennheiser included, and results in many different decent options becoming available to us all..(both in-ear and over-ear). Hopefully, drive prices down, too!!
Not having fast charging is crazy in almost 2025
Insane, especially for this type of product where you need the ability of a 30 min charge to get you through a gig perhaps. Actually what these really want is a hard shell charging case.
Ive used razer gaming headphones (2.4ghz, not the bluetooth type), with an asio driver going down up to 96 ms latency and they are "ok" for mixing , but for scratching, better with cable. Ive used rf headphones and they work very good in terms of latency. Ill stick to the technics rp or the hd25. Now im using a vestax hmx-07 and they are ok (they were cheap and they are very flexible with detachable cable). I like on ear headphones. Those wireless means charging, carring the receiver and cables. Better to keep it simple, at the end cables doesnt bother too much.
Great review brother
I will keep my hd 25 for now..
Why no mention of Audio-Technia headphones as one of the industries best options? I have owned Sennheiser HD-25's prior, and I now own the Audio-Technia ATH-M50x's, and they are every bit as good sounding, comfortable and last as long when compared the HD-25's. I know this may be a bit of a personal gripe, but I feel the ATH-M50x's need to be mentioned when talking about the high quality headphones that champion the market...
Own the same (m50x) beats the pioneers any day! Curious about the f10…. PLUR
I've been using SKAA's Akiko Pro transmitter and Rush reciever for my IEMS with a mini ANKER battery to power the reciever. All in, about $200 for the transmitter / reciever combo and I can use my nice IEMs to protect my hearing rather than overears. 19ms latency, so more than this, but still pretty hard to notice. And you can add another reciever if you want for B2B sets (the transmitters can transmit to two recievers).
I’ll wait for the DJ wireless AIAIAI. coming soon.
So pretty much the same as the AIAIAI ones then? Just $200 bucks more.
Two things set them apart: Mojaxx claiming these go much louder. I have the AIAIAI and can confirm that on RARE occasion I've come up against their volume limit. And two: the Pioneer/AT name.
Thinking about grabbing this transmitter and using it on my PC for latency free wireless audio.
got the AZ already so I don't need the transmitter, but it would be nice to still have it as a backup.
Great review and I share your conclusion The moment AT comes out with a belt-receiver I'm all in, until then I'll stick to my IEM/Sennheiser combo.
Classic Alpha Theta tbh
Like you said they could have made a HD variant with this tech but they saw £££ and decided the headphones needed to be multi purpose
$500 and no hard case? OUCH!
I'm never going to switch away from using Sennheiser Momentum in my day to day, but a HD25 style pair of wireless DJ focused cans, would sway me for a DJ focused solution.
Such a missed opportunity
HD25 and money left over for buying at least 150 digital lossless tracks. The tracks will keep me happy, that headphone surely will not. Great review M👍🏻
If this catches on, the one thing that is concerning is if someone in the audience runs a jamming device to fuck with the DJ. Those devices can be relatively small (think power bank size) based on what's been put out at defcon, so it's real possibility of someone sneaking those into festival grounds.
Honestly, where milliseconds matter, I'll stick with wired especially when there's just so many new factors that comes in to play aside from security concerns especially since festivals can be very wet and humid environments, even clubs.
It may be a minor issue but, it begs the question whether there is any danger of 'brain fry', or be affected by micro level of radiation when using this Bluetooth product for long periods? Or am I being a wuss! Love (all) your videos!
Yeah my Shure IEM w/wireless transmitter and receiver works just fine for me🤷🏽♂️
Which specific Shure wireless transmitter model are you using for DJIng?
I believe that any headphone that is not around-ear, such as on-ear, is not suitable for DJing. It's more suited for casual listening and monitoring. However, if this headphone offers really low latency, I'll definitely consider getting one.
I totally understand that position, and prefer over-ear myself, but the dominance of the HD25 says most DJs don't agree with you.
Hmm how easy is it to change the internal batteries? Also whats max charge cycle… Battery degradation ect?
wireless means charging.Charging means not forgetting to do so.A wire never needs charging and new headphones can detach wires so you can have spares, long and short..Of course not having a wire restrict your movement inside the booth is a nice idea but we shall see how the new tech fares but always keep a wire ready just in case.
Great video!
Right, wake me up when the HD25s have these.
Raygun face off during my next DJ set coming in hot 😂 🕺
AIAIAI just started emailing me about wireless ones coming soon.
Hope the sound quality is better than AIAIAI
neat 📸
499 for dj headphones!?
🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️😂😂😂😂
someone has to pay for branding and marketing 😂 remember Beats by Dre
Lol my thoughts exactly... AT pricing strategy across the board is insane.
Hd25 is a beast.
I guess I’m going to sell one of my kidneys to buy one
Very nice and trick, but do I really need it? I’m not so sure. I can see my hd25s in use for a long while yet.
@djcity is there a chance the transmitter of the alpha Theta can interfere with the transmitter of the dj phase? When using my phase at home, Ive experience interference with my Govee Bluetooth lights that are hanging around my home.
Sony MDR7506 or nothing.
The best everything else is garbage
Like to know dose it sound off beat when trying to listen to music when you mixing
See you on 10/10 for the next big new product. 😉
Great review Mojaxx but I've gotta call Alpha Theta out on something here. Doesn't Richie Hawtin use the high-end version of the AIAIAI wireless headphones &worked with them to get the latency down until he was happy to use it in his live shows.....? And still using them today? Needs double checking but I'd hold off on the 1st to market claims for now if I was them
Those are the TMA-2 Studio Wireless+ I mentioned. The latency in those is spot on but they can’t handle the volume needed for DJing.
He mentioned them. They are the studio version. DJ comes in January.
Imagine you put on your headphones and receive a low battery message just as you’re about to start a 4-hour DJ set.
In that case, plug it in
@@jackmercer4244Great. I didn’t know you could plug in a cable too.
It’s mad to think that the transmitter is more expensive than a pair of hd25’s.
I’ll just wait for the Bluetooth hd25’s.
This is cool- but still needs alot of work imho. With the main reasons being
1) The latency wouldnt be suitable for turntabllists
2) The link would need to be open source. Pioneer cant and wont ever have a monopoly on DJ headphones. If anyone could, it would be our old mate senny
3) you aint supposed to run em while plugged in.. I really want a word with whoever came up with that spectacle! Im not saying scrap the wireless bit, but I dont want yet another device to have to worry about charging!
I honestly dont mind having an extra box, less stuff which could potentially interfere with the signal chain internally on the mixer- what really gets me worked up is the lack of ear protecting headphones!!
I've used the Vic Firth ones, and again was really disappointed. Even wired theres faults with theirs too. I play drums and you can imagine the disappointment when, after years of playing a renoundly loud instrument- got tinnitus from mixing vinyl on loud PA systems. I've thought for so long this is such a basic gap in the market nobodys tapped into.
Valiant effort though none the less. Intrested to see how many people make the switch now its got that pioneer treatment!
Fast charging would be a nice addition too. Belter review as always mojaxx. Thanks for giving it to us straight. Like a pear cider.
Good review. But hate it $499.
Remember Skaa still exists! This has been done before
Can the TX and RX be bought separately?
The transmitter can, but there's no separate receiver, and that's what I want to see!
Nein Nein und Nein. Wie einfach der Großteil aus dem Hause Pioneer nicht durchdacht. Da habe ich lieber meine Kabelgebundenen HD25 wo man alles austauschen kann wenn was kaputt ist, als einen überteuerten Kopfhörer den ich wegschmeißen kann wenn was kaputt ist. Wifi hin oder her aber im Bereich Dj ist er der falsche Kopfhörer. Wenn Alpha weiter so macht mit seinen Produkten die einfach überteuert sind, werden Sie bald von der Bildfläche verschwunden sein
How about lossless tracks - are they subject to degradation using these headphones?
The transmitter looks the same as the wave8, can we just re-use the wave8 transmitter?
how about they fix the platter on the cdj 3000 so it doesn't keep the record moving when i'm trying to scratch.
i have tried wireless and the results have not been good .So far a wire directly into the mixer can not be beaten and even if you can get ones that work in your home set up it might not do do well on the road with all the various signals and interference you might get a festival or a busy club.There is a reason dj headphones have not changed much and that is because they just work and do the job that people buy them for.If these or others can make wireless work then it will be nice not to get tangled or pull at the mixer because the wire is too short.So time will tell.
I'll bet $5 USD that the 2.4 transmitter on these will render the Phase completely inoperable. Similarly, I wonder if the Wi-Fi on older MBPs will disrupt these so you end up having to plug in anyway.
There's absolutely no reason not to make devices like these 5 ghz instead of 2.4 so we can take advantage of the diversity and use more than one wireless device in our setups.
My X10s are falling apart, but if they sound the same and the wireless is still 2.4, I might as well save the cash and get another pair of X10s.
Damn ... I REALLY wanted to like these.
On a positive note, I do appreciate where their head is at, and I think when we all collectively move on from 2.4 and start getting serious about wireless low-latency audio, the next gen version of these are gonna be brilliant.
I made sure to gig with these when using Phase, because that was a concern. Zero issues. I would have said so if there was.
@@Mojaxx Shit. Alright, what's your Venmo? 😁
WiFi channels don't interfere with each other in practice. The same hysteria was there for the XDJ Aero.
Don't fear something you do not know fully.
@@Mojaxx Always appreciate your work man. A pair of "X10s" but with Bluetooth for the same price isn't bad either. I might just go the wired route and play around with the transmitter later down the line.
Why always Optimus and skeletor?? Why not He-Man or megatron @mojaxx
They just happened to be around the first time I did it, and now it's tradition. But I don't have an OG Megatron anyway, sadly!
I’ve given up on Pioneer headphones. They just seem to disintegrate with time. Even their top tier headphones. They’re too expensive for that nonsense.
HD25’s for the win.
Plus I’m not too fussed about a wire on headphones for DJ’ing.
I find the constant recharging of wireless headphones a pain in the ass. The cables never bothered me TBH
It’s like they just make stuff without asking DJs🤷🏾♂️😂😂
I still vouch for aiaiai... the latency is not noticeable... but then, I don't scratch... they sound ok and do the job... but to pay €500, no way!
Alpha Pricing!!
Insane price.
It's a cool product but, honestly, are wires that big of an issue when it comes to DJ headphones?!
I never thought it was, until I tried wireless!
Again… why not have this built in!!!!🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
"you may ask why I mentioned Apple?!"... because Apple soon enter DJ industry.
And knowing what they do with laptops, phones, etc they may create a best Dj controller (Algoritm) 😀
Im still staying with sennheiser 25 hd nothing can’t beat then and still look a lot better then this….
Sennheiser hd25 €120
AlphaTheta HDJ F10 €500
Really?
Actually, it's €620 for the AlphaTheta ( + HD25), because you can't just buy Pioneer without a properly built backup device. And you'll definitely need a backup headphone with this, because just like any other plastic Pioneer headphones, they'll be useless when they suddenly break (and be sure - they will brake).
I switched the HD25 to Pioneer DJ HDJ-X10. BEST decision ever. The have a much better sound and feeling while on the ears
@@DJG-RebelI lovehow the xdj sound but I hate that you can’t switch which side the cable goes on. I’m still using my hd8 dj sennheisers till the wheels fall off.
I'been using the same X10 headset since 2018, just had to replace the earpads a year ago due normal wear. 6 years and going strong.
because everything is built from magnesium parts and no plastic. Basically nothing will break on these 🥳
499 dollars is insane
I want one with a neck band so as to not mess with my mohawk
I don't really get the use case for these? just seems like more stuff to go wrong/stress over... i guess if you're one of 'those' DJs who prance around the stage throwing cakes etc they might be useful, but most guys stood behind the decks are just swaying along and mixing.
Ive been DJing for around 25yrs, the first 11 i had around 4/5 sets of Sony and Pioneer headphones, the last 14 ive been using a single pair of HD-25s, still going strong (with new ear pads). Do yourselves a favour and buy a springy chord for the HD-25s, then you can move around without pulling it out and save yourself 350 quid.
Try V-moda, you will never go back
@@DJBOOGIEMANFROMCUR I don't need to though, my 14yr old HD-25s are still working well, for both home and gig use... far better things to spend a couple of hundred quid on.
9 ms for monitoring is unacceptable, audible and unnecessary. Shure PSM300 in ear monitoring system has 0,5 ms and has been on the market for ages. Can't see why A/T could not do better at this.
0.5ms is actually usable. Thanks.
This! everything above 5ms is a no go for me.
Casandra Shores
Pacocha Circle
I was interested but 9ms is far too long of a delay. Hard pass. Music will simply not match with your foldback monitors you will have to account for the delay. Very useful for headphone mixing though.
I'll stick with my HD 25's... If it ain't broke don't fix it..
Did we all just forget about Aiaiai??
Did you watch the video?
I have an irrational hatred for alpha theta.
But the big question still is .. WHY .. Why would u spent 400 euro if you already have a good set? If you are a DJ you won't be running around the place , so a 2-3 m cable is fine and if that cable really bothers you that much, well.. play hardstyle. Those Dj's never seem to use headphones anyway ..;)
The only reason HD25s are so popular is because they're built like brick shithouses, plus they're user replaceable down to the drivers. That's something that a lot of manufacturers lack. I know AIAIAI have tried, but they've missed the mark in terms of sound quality from what I've heard from friends. Until someone creates a pair of headphones that stand up to the HD25 in terms of durability and longevity in terms of user replaceable parts (which let's be honest, is a godsend when most companies are anti-right to repair), then I know a lot of DJs will be sticking to the HD25s.
This company is bugging out with their prices
Hoppe Port
Cool but ill pass
I like men...