The Chetniks in Yugoslavia during World War II
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2023
- The Chetniks were a Serbian nationalist movement that emerged in Yugoslavia during the Second World War. The movement was led by Draža Mihailović, a Yugoslav army officer who had fought in the Balkan Wars and World War I. The Chetniks were initially formed to resist the occupation of Yugoslavia by Nazi Germany and its allies, and they received support from the Yugoslav government-in-exile in London.
However, the Chetniks soon became involved in a bitter conflict with the Partisans, a communist-led resistance movement led by Josip Broz Tito. The Partisans accused the Chetniks of collaborating with the Axis powers and committing atrocities against civilians, particularly against non-Serb minorities such as Croats, Muslims, and Albanians. The Chetniks, in turn, accused the Partisans of being a tool of the Soviet Union and of persecuting Serbs.
The conflict between the Chetniks and the Partisans intensified as the war progressed, and both sides committed numerous atrocities against each other and against civilians. In 1943, the Allies withdrew their support for the Chetniks and began to support the Partisans instead, viewing them as a more effective resistance movement. The Chetniks were eventually defeated by the Partisans in 1945, and Mihailović was captured and executed for war crimes.
The legacy of the Chetniks is a controversial topic in Serbia and the Balkans to this day. Some Serbs view them as patriotic heroes who fought for their country's independence, while others see them as collaborators with the Nazis who committed war crimes against civilians.
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- War and Revolution in Yugoslavia, 1941-1945. Occupation and Collaboration (Jozo Tomasevich).
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You have an error in the data... The term Chetniks (from the word cheta, chetovanje) until the end of the 19th century meant guerrilla fighters grouped into small combat units - companies. In Serbian songs, the term Chetnik is often used for hajduks and uskos. Since the end of the 19th century, the name Chetnik has been associated with members of volunteer Serbian formations that were created at the end of the 19th century and that were organized and assisted by the authorities in Serbia in order to weaken Turkish power in the Balkans. Parallel to the term Chetnik, until the First Balkan War, the term comita also appeared as a term for a member of the revolutionary-Chetnik committee. The term "comita" was received from the members of the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization and from the members of the Serbian Chetnik organization, while the Greek revolutionaries-guerrillas were called andarti.
In the Second World War, the name Chetniks also refers to the remnants of the army of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia, which was reorganized by Dragoljub Mihailović, whose official name was the Yugoslav Army in the Fatherland, as well as to the fighters of Kosta Pećanca.
In the Balkans, the Chetnik campaign was first started by the Bulgarians. In 1893 and 1894, the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (VMRO) was founded in Thessaloniki with the aim of ensuring the annexation of Macedonia and Thrace to Bulgaria with armed guerilla arms. Greek Chetniks, the Andarts, operated in the disputed Slavic-Greek areas against companies of Bulgarian organizations since 1902. Serbian Chetniks or committees originally, from 1903, focused their actions on protecting Serbs in the Ottoman Empire from the terror of Muslim gangs and VMRO companies.
At the beginning of the Balkan Wars, there were 110 Bulgarian (VMRO), 108 Greek, 30 Serbian and 5 Vlach detachments. They supported their sides in the Turkish rear in the First Balkan War. In World War II, the Chetniks were not only Serbs, but there were Croats, Slovenes, Macedonians, Montenegrins, and Serbian and Bosnian Muslims, and many were in high positions.
If I had been born at that time, I would have been a Chetnik....ua-cam.com/video/IK47Em6x_kw/v-deo.html
Very dense topic. ヽ(͡◕ ͜ʖ ͡◕)ﾉ 🍀 🇧🇷 Obrigado, Stefan!
@Klempo alpha (Slavic warrior) Unfortunately, mine were also partisans. They went to the first army that came along
@@zeljkodejanovic8786 Exactly. Ustashi Going to slaughter . Serbs did not look what symbol on cap wore. My relatives were in Chetniks to defend their family from Croatian and Muslim Ustashi in 1941.
100 dead Serbs for one dead German soldier, 50 dead Serbs for a wounded German soldier and 25 dead Serbs for the damage done. This rule was not promulgated for any people in occupied Europe except for the Serbs.
This is the first time I've heard that someone on UA-cam who covered the topic of Chetniks mentioned it. And for that, thank you.
I think it is very important to mention this in order to understand the dynamics between the Chetniks and the Partisans. Because of this, the Chetniks considered the Partisans to be a bigger enemy than the Germans, while the Partisans attacked the Germans and Italians knowing that their retaliation against civilians would lead to more people siding with the Partisans.
The only correction I would add is that the official name of the Chetniks was "Yugoslavian People's Army in the Fatherland", abbreviated to "Chetniks" because their way of fighting was guerilla warfare in the companies. "Cheta" means company in Serbian.
"This rule was not promulgated for any people in occupied Europe except for the Serbs"... and Poles.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 Really. I did not know. Do you have a source please? I know that after the Warsaw Uprising, an Austrian painter ordered that all Poles be killed, even Polish cats and dogs, but I did not know that the rule of 100 dead civilians for one dead German also applied to Poles.
@@herzog1857 Can't really recall if there was any official statement, but the collective responsibility was a common thing throughout the entirety of the german occupation of Poland: Wawer Massacre, Zgierz Massacre, Bochnia Massacre etc.
@@aleksanderwielopolski8205 Ok, I have great respect for the Polish people for what they endured during ww2, I also know that proportionally to the number of inhabitants in ww2 the most victims were Poles, but the order of 100 Serbian civilians for one dead German was an official order in occupied Serbia.
There was only one city in occupied Serbia (I can't remember the name) in which the rule of 100 for one was abolished. In that city, dead Serbian and German soldiers from WW1 were buried together, and the inscription on that cemetery was that "there are no enemies here" or something similar. When the local German commander heard that, he excluded that city from the rule of 100 for one.
Also in the Croatian Nazi satellite state during WW2, the official policy was to kill one third of the Serbs, expel one third and convert one third to Catholicism.
All in all, it seems that there was no safe place for Serbs and Poles in WW2.
Very well explained..👏👍
The interesting fact is that the chetniks have been one of the most successful resistance groups, liberating 33 cities in Yugoslavia from the occupiers. The chetniks have also greatly contributed to the allied victory in Africa because of their sabotages of the German railways and trains in Yugoslavia, which made the Germans unable to transport troops and supplies to the Thessaloniki port, from where the troops and supplies would be sent to North Africa.
In August 1942 the SOE director Hugh Dalton reported:
'The Yugoslavs [the government in exile in London], the War Office and we are all agreed that the guerrilla and sabotage bands now active in Yugoslavia should show sufficient active resistance to cause constant embarrassment to the occupying forces, and prevent any reduction in their numbers. But they should keep their organisation underground and avoid any attempt at large scale risings or ambitious military operations, which could only result at present in severe repression and the loss of our key men. They should now do all they can to prepare a widespread underground organisation ready to strike hard later on, when we give the signal.'
Hitler blamed Chetniks in Serbia for his defeat in Africa and issued an order for complete annihilation of all Chetnik forces also sent to Mussolini in a letter on 16 February 1943.[40]
'We have no other choice, but to annihilate all Chetniks and against the bandits use the most brutal means.'
What is also important to note is that only one Chetnik group called "Gordon" Has single handedly made over 4000 sabotages against the Axis railways and trains. More importantly, when Allies shifted their support to the communist side in order to please to Soviet union, the chetniks kept fighting for the allies, continuing their sabotages, fighting both against the Axis and the Comintern, saving over 400 American pilots, which was deemed one of the biggest air rescue missions in history, etc, etc...
The chetniks were the official army of the Yugoslav government, General Mihailovic got specific approval from the Yugoslav government to carry out a guerilla war against the occupying forces. And he did so until the end of the war. The communists, on the other hand, organised their own little revolution and a paramilitary force, that had no major in fighting against the Axis until the Red army arrived in 1944. More importantly, the communist partisans often fought along with the Axis against the chetniks. The most famous example is when in 1943 the chetniks carried out a massive offensive in Eastern Bosnia, liberating Visegrad, Han-Pijesak, Bratunac and Srebrenica. The chetniks eventually reached Sokolac, which was north-eastern of Sarajevo. The chetniks, accompanied by British and American missions. These British and American missions witnessed that the communist partisans, teamed up with the ustasha unit "Crna legija" (black legion) attacked the Chetniks from their rear, which resulted in the offensive to be stalled, and Sarajevo was left in the possesion of the Axis.
The truth is that the communists carried out a revolution, they were doing whatever Stalin told them to do. If they intended to fight against the occupying forces, the members of the KPJ (communist party of yugoslavia) would have joined the Yugoslav army in the fatherland.
I will just put some quotes by some significant people about the chetniks and general Mihailovic:
- Indeed, the truthful national hero was Mihailovic. He did not fght for a certain ideology, or Soviet order. He did not go into war because some foreign country pushed him to do that. He was simply a patriot. Liberating his country was his only goal. He knew you cannot win people by power. Merely, they betrayed him. Betrayed by the leftists, abandoned by his own people and the Allies, he was executed by the Communists. However, he caused the Wehrmacht to lose two or three months in the spring 1941. He delayed the German attack on Russia. He prevented the Germans from reaching Moscow and Leningrad before the winter. It is possible that he initiated Hitler’s demise. Nobody wanted to help him; he relied only on his compatriots and his patriotism. International communism defeated his patriotism. But, one day everything will turn.
- Charles de Gaulle
de Gaulle also famously refused to meet Tito since he was infuriated by the unfair trial the communists gave to Mihailovic, which resulted in his death.
- The American forces in Europe and Africa send greetings to their comrades in arms,
the resourceful and gallant Yugoslav military units under your splendid leadership. These brave men who banded together on their native soil to drive the invader from their country are serving with full devotion the cause of the League of Nations. May the New Year bring them full success.
- General Eisenhower in a personal letter to Mihailovic
- General Draza Mihailovic was a patriot, a brave soldier and a gallant ally of the United States and every nation that went to war in the early forties to destroy the tyrannies that sought to enslave our world. Hundreds of American pilots owe their lives to General Mihailovic and his forces and the American people will never forget that debt. As long as there are patriots in any nation, the name of General Draza Mihailovic will be remembered and revered
- President Nixon
- The ultimate tragedy of Draza Mihailovic cannot erase the memory of his heroic and often lonely struggle against the twin tyrannies that afficted his people, Nazism and Communism. He knew that totalitarianism, whatever name it might take, is the death of freedom. He thus became a symbol of resistance to all those across the world who have had to fght a similar heroic and lonely struggle against totalitarianism. Mihailovic belonged to Yugoslavia; his spirit now belongs to all those who are willing to fight for freedom.
- President Reagan
Mihailovic is a general who was hunted by Nazis, killed by the communists and decorated by Truman.
Well stated facts.
Excellent summary . Younger Serbs are starting to discover the truth online and they are throwing the Communist and Ustashe propoganda into the dustbin .
Excellent as always. I think my first exposure to Chetniks was as a kid watching "Force Ten from Navarone" with my dad.
Thanks for your reply.
Draza Mihailovic was killed in 1946, not 1948... good video...
Did I say 1948? I stand corrected cause I meant 1946 of course.
@@HistoryHustle That's the spirit of the community. I noticed too at 10:45
Who cares
@@tomislavkralj3214 Ustasha detected... :)
@@tomislavkralj3214Me and, I suspect, many others who love history and watch channels such as this.
Ahhh the Balkans. There never fails to be a complex story filled with dizzying detail and intrigue. You are one of the best YTs at teasing out the various strands to deliver a concise and accessible story to us on this topic. Keep up the excellent work as usual Stefan, hope you had a relaxing Easter if you do celebrate it.🫡😎
Happy Eastern!
And lots of violence and crazy people.
Excellent bit of history update Stefan ❤ Thank you 😊
Thanks for your reply.
Many thanks Stefan, very interesting, for the first time i feel i'm beginning to understand this theatre of conflict, keep up the great work.
Thanks for your reply.
A complex piece of history well handled Stefan ! Unfortunately it has never been covered enough in the history books, Once again well done !
This was a great longer format video.
Love the pictures intermingled as you talk.
Thanks Bill! Nice to read.
Stefan, as always you took a complex subject and did a very good job exploring it.
Thanks Jonathan.
Very informative. Thanks 👌
Thanks for watching.
Certainly a very complicated topic. It's great to see you covering it in a nuanced way.
Thanks for your reply.
Very good. Thanks. BZ
Mihailović's exploits had garnered enough attention for Twentieth Century Fox to release Chetniks! The Fighting Guerrillas in *1943*
Well done for such a short video, all main points presented correctly. Nice surprise and good work I must admit.
Thanks for watching!
Wederom een goede aflevering, over een onderwerp wat onder belicht is geweest in het Westen over de Balkan geschiedenis. Complimenten Stefan!
Dank voor je bericht Wesley!
"Another Great Dissertation".."tying together".."Nuance..Timeline.."with attention. to verbal detail".."creating the ambience".."that allows one to follow.."along mentally".."Good job Professor"!!!
Love the Yugo content Stefan, hope alls well
Awesome! This summer I'm off to Bosnia.
You deserve more subscribers!
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I'm not very knowledgeable of this arena, but you make it consumable and as far as I can tell, understand the necessity of a nuanced view of a very complicated conflict.
Thanks for your reply.
Always fascinating to learn about various small groups that fought for either the axis or soviets and why they did so
Thanks for watching.
very knowledge and educational video informative bro
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@@HistoryHustle Stefan, I am glad that you are not in video worshiper of Tito but you are forget 600 US airmen who saved Chetniks under command of General Mihailović in 1944-1945.
Great lecture, Professor! Thanks.
Many thanks for watching!
Bedankt voor dit video mooi om mijn stad loznica in u video te zien
Tof om te lezen. Graag gedaan!
British played the royalists in both yugoslavia and greece that in both countries led in strengthening the communists. In yugoslavia they became a regime in greece we had a civil war.
Thanks for your reply!
The brits lost their sovereignty in 1813 when they lost the battle of Waterloo and the loved rothschilds have been running the UK ever since.
Churchill's son Randolph was at the Tito's headquarters.
Father send him to divert his attention from the unfaithful wife's affairs.
Also Brigadier McLaine, SOE saboteurs.
So, in Royal Yugoslavia Churchill played both sides.
The difference is the Red Army arrived in Yugoslavia so Tito took power . If the allies had arrived before the Red Army Tito and his communists would have gone the same way as the Greek communists .
@@simapark not quite
British promated until 1944 the communists in greece as well as in yugoslavia. Then the support came from ussr and yugoslavia but british really promoted the civilunrest in greece and in yugoslavia.
You are great brother. You explain very well. My great grandfather was a partisan from montenegro Germans sent him to a camp and survived.
Thanks for your reply.
Ik that commenting helps the videos so that is why I say "hi" all the time
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Thanks a lot, Stefan, for the program. Once again we see how slow the Soviets were to "liberate" when they knew that they would have to deal eventually with the liberated. I would like to know more about the massacre of the Germans which you mentioned at the end of the program. Possibly you would consider doing to Brunn and seeing what is left of any sort of German presence.
Partisans killed the Germans (not all the Germans were nazis) in Croatia and stole their land and homes. Sorry, "nationalised". Thats how Vojvodina is full of serbs now. They came from South Serbia. Some of them from Montenegro.
Why would they rush to a area where they would be resisted
The Germans tried to do exactly that first and reaped what they sowed
My grandfather fought under Tito in WW2.. He was shot into a pit by Chetniks, though survived and retrieved after dusk. When I was young I always wondered why my Father never spoke of his heritage. He was lined up with his (2) sisters and Mother next to his Father to be shot. Our own people were killing each other and the trauma of that time never left him. He came to Australia with my Mother in the 60’s and had us. Only now, 7+decades later I’m getting the story, and it’s brutal and complex.
My father was 4 years old when the Chetniks shot his Father. No wonder he wanted us integrated into Australia as Australians. But my Slavic blood has been calling me since I was young and I always felt a wanting for more understanding……. yet he was sheltering us from the horror of our past….. and it is brutal.
A sad history. Thanks for sharing this.
Your Grandfather's communist band under Tito did plenty of murdering and throwing people into pits both during the war and after it too.
My grandfather the same but we are in canada. I do have family down under though . Sending love brate
I am glad your grandpa survived. Mine also fought with the Partizans and he was from northwestern Bosnia (Krajina region). He told me many stories of how they fought and ambushed Germans, fascist Croats, and also Chetniks, but he did tell me the Croatian fascists were by far the most brutal. But when the tide turned the Croatian fascists were very afraid of retribution. My grandpa participated in the elimination of fascists in Bleiburg region towards the end of the war. I am surprised he didn't go crazy after everything he witnessed. He saw family members killed and he was also tasked with shooting collaborators while having to look them in the eye before pulling the trigger. I am so glad I didn't experience any of this. Slavic people need to learn to get along, but after seeing what's happening between Russia and Ukraine I don't know if it's every going to happen.
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Your Grandpa is a liar. Every old soldier tells his grandson lies about what he did in the war its only natural. The Communists leadership weren't interested in fighting the occupier they were only interested in a communist revolution and taking power after the war. They had no documented offensives against the occupier ( give me one example ) they only had lots of retreats, which were celebrated as success. Also, your hero, the mass murderer Tito, had no concern for Serbian lives . In North Western Bosnia, his movement was 99% Serbian peasants escaping the Croatian Ustashe genocide ( at the very end Croats and Muslims joined to save their skins ) and for Tito the Serb peasants they were just useful naive cannon fodder . Tito would be happy if every Serbian peasant died as long as he got power after the war . The only reason he came into power is because the Red Army arrived before the Allied Army . Without the Red Army Titos communist killers would have gone the same way as the Greek communists after the war .
Excellent!
Thanks for your reply.
Thanks Stephan for explaining Četnik history. Četniki (Chetniks) were called 'Plava Garda' ( Blue guard ) In Slovenia. They were ethnically Slovenes fighting for the Yugoslav King. They started the uprising against Italians/Germans along with partisans in 1941. They started to collaborate with Italians/Germans in 1942. Partisans destroyed them mostly up to the end of 1943.
Thanks for replying.
But in 1945. Catholic Bishop Rožman of Ljubljana with colaboracionistic and other notcommunist forces call Allies,Yugoslav King Peter II to protect Slovenians From Tito's partizans. Allies are Strong support Communists.
Sorry for the late reply, but the first cetniks were not in yugoslavia. The Cetniks or Hayduken were formed in Bulgaria and now in the area north macedonia to push back the ottoman empire and to establish a independent Bulgaria (1886). Later on, during the establishment of Yugoslavia, they became a bigger group. Have a nice day!
The atrocities fron the chetniks were reprisals from the
slaughter of Serbs from Ustaše Croats and communists. GET THE HISTORY STRAIGHT!!!
See my sources. I am afraid you are quite biased.
It would be so kind to listen from you about russian formations/ units collaborating with the germany during WW2
Please check:
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One could write several books just on the various četnik factions. A very complicated situation.
Indeed.
Thanks
Thank you Phil!
just out of curiosity where u film this video cos u got so much clothes on lol.
At my house. But yeah, I do have a closet full of repro uniforms.
0:10 As Holland, Yugoslav Royal Family went in exile. The difference od that England did not allow King Peter II Karadjordjevic to come back on throne in Belgrade.
Yes, they favored the partisans at some point.
Good topic,unfortunately Mihalovic was betrayed by allies, there was the many of chetniks who committed crime,most of them aren't under Mihailovic command. There isn't proof that Mihailovic, was with German.
correct. I've done deep study on it and there is ZERO evidence that Mihailovic did anything allied with Germany. Hitler had a huge bounty on his head. The US government ratlined and resettled hundreds of Belarussian and other nazi helpers in the US after WWII---and these pentagon liars are where some of these people get their Serbophobic propaganda.
Informative historical coverage video about Yugoslavian history during WW2.....in the shadows of history of Chetnic resistance - coordinated to Nazism invaders of Yugoslavia... So, the legitimacy of Yugoslavian authority in Exile transformed to communist partisans & recognized by allies ... rather than they fought invaders without hesitation. Thank you, Sir Stefan 🙏
Partizans "rather fought against invaders without hesitation" because for their commander Tito Serbs were cannon fodder. Chetnik's commander General Mihailović was hesitated because order from Berlin in 1941: for 1 killed Nazi invader - retaliation: 100 killing Serbian civillians 3:36. Allies picked Tito.
@@miroslavakostic Funny, same thing thought a certain young, aspiring Serbian radical in the mid-90s, who grew to become president of today's Serbia - Aleksander Vucic. He had the same "100 for 1-quota", "for every killed Serbian soldier we will kill 100 muslims". He still thinks the same thing. That's why (highly political) High Court of Serbia rehabilitated Draza and his pack in 2015.
@@ShejtanVrbaski That Is nowadays propaganda. Vucic told this in affect in Assembly of Serbia in 1995. when NATO threat to bomb Serbs. When CIA brought him in power , A. Vucic apologized Muslims in Bosnia. BTW that Is not topic. You run away from WW2 because Croatian And Muslim Ustashi committed genocide over 1000000 people ( Jews, Roma, but mostly Serbs ). Everyone can find information of genocide on internet. This channel made video about Ustashi.
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Only decent politicians in todays Serbia are people like Cedo Jovanovic and Nenad Canak. But they are considered, by delusional masses as "American spies", or "drug addicts" or whatever. Today's Serbia is in all aspects still the enemy of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Nothing has changed but methods - more sophisticated and long term goals instead of trying to overrun the country with tanks. The latter failed 30 yrs ago when people barely could defend themselves and it would certainly fail even today.
Since you keep calling Bosniaks "Muslims" I'll refer to Serbs as "Ortodox" in the rest of my message. Your ortodox nationalist rhetoric is like a broken record. You are so into keep repeating Ustasha atrocities and pointing out catholics and muslims that you actually missed that this video is about CHETNIKS and not Ustasha like you claim yourself.
Myself, I'm proud to say that I'm a grandchild of a Bosnian Muslim partizan who, together with many of his relatives and fellow citizens joined Bosnian Krajina Brigade when he was 17 yrs old. As a follower of social democratic (above all democratic) values - I consider Ustasha, SS Hanjar and Chetniks as the same garbage, just like nazis and think they should have been exterminated from the face of the earth. I won't speak about Croats - but I don't know any larger number of Bosnian muslims who somehow tried to justify or rehabilitate Hanjar division and their actions. Everybody knows who Ustasha and Hanjar was. Only this Chetnik "resistance movement" thing is a phenomena that was revoked by Serbian lobby in mid 1990s. They should remain in the proper cathegory - nazi collaborators and murderers.
Another interesting anecdote I can share - from ww2. Apart from the chetnik-resistance-movement-bullshit, there is another popular belief that Ortodox Yugoslavs were hugely dominating in partisans. Muslims and catolics did their big share too. For fucks sake - Tito himself was a Croat! Many muslims were also noted in statistics as "Serbs". For instance, my grandfather, while partisans still operated with chetniks in early days of the war in Manjaca mountains, was advised by his commander to call himself "Milan" (sterotypical ortodox name) to avoid any "incidents" with chetniks. I wonder if he also was part of "Serb"-statistics because of that false name in early years of Yugoslav resistance.
I appreciate your efforts to bring as fateful description of complex situation during WWII in Yugoslavia. However, there are a lot important details that are either omitted and some that are completely untrue.
So called Chetniks led by Draza Mihajlovic was actually known as Yugoslav Army in the Homeland representing the Yugoslav government that was in exhile in London. These were by no means Nazi collaborators. It is correct that Gen. Mihajlovic became primarily concerned by preserving Serbian populatio that was truly under threat of extinction due to genocide in the Independent state of Croatia, Kosovo as well by drastic German reprisals in Serbia. Besides, Mihajlovic forces were more of a real army with trained and experienced officers compared to communist forced whose aim was the revolution. The communist employed brutal Soviet doctrine of war, complete mindless in military effectiveness and suicidal. This caused even more German atrocities and reprisals. Mihajlovic was much more cautious and wanted as you correctly state prepare ground for allied invasion rather than mindlessly fighting against far superior forces. He focused on cutting down German supplies traveling to Greece and greatly contributed to allies succes in Northern Africa. This was a far better way to contribute then just killing Germans and then watching wiping out of villages and its people. During Yalta conference Churchil made a deal with Stalin and Yugoslavia ended up in the Soviet sphere, British shifted from supporting Chetniks to helping partisans. This was a huge factor in Chetniks primarily shifting to fighting against Partisans but they also fought against German, Ustashas and even other quisling Chetnik forces such
as Ljotic and Kosta Pecanac
forces. These chetnik forfes
were much less significant in number but still represented a threat. In the end the whole mess became a civil war in the middle of Nazi occupation.
Even though Mihajlovic’s forces were left on their own by the allies they saved more then 500 down allied pilots in 1944 at great cost. This is known as Operation Halyard. They built a makeshift airport in the hills of Serbia and saved all the pilots while at the same time
Sacrificing their lives by defending them. This is greatest allied rescue operation in WWII
After the end of WWII this story was hushed down in order not to offend Tito’s communists. Mihajlovic received highest honors from President Truman and Charles DeGaul for his efforts. After the war he was captured by the communists and executed. The saved US pilots made efforts to build his monument in Washington DC but without success. Much of what you speak of regarding alleged collaboration is not true and fabricated by the communists in order to present themselves as the only true resistance. Between 1944-46 thr communist only in Serbia executed between 60,000-100,000 mainly innocent people were killed since they were deemed as enemies of the regime.
Although the free elections were promised Tito just took power and eliminated any possible opposition. I hope that you double check much of your information, there are lots of tricky details and devil is in the details.
Do you say something in this video about muslims in Četnik
Some served but I know their numbers were small.
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thank you for covering this topic like i said before chetniks fight on both side it was brother vs brother
Chetniks fight for freedom of Serbian people. Against ustashi genocide, Tito's Communists, Nazis...
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thx
Thanks for your reply.
Well done Stefan.Well researched. The Balkans will always be a problem due to the different ethnicities
Thanks for your reply.
Cool jacket.
Thanks!
I think Yugoslavia was probably the worst place on earth to be from 1941 onwards.
Fair point.
Just so.
Someone counted as many as 24 different military formations on the soil of Yugoslavia during the Second World War.
LOCAK UNITS:
1. Partisans (Yugoslav communists)
2. Chetniks (Yugoslav Royal Army)
3. Governmental Chetniks (Kosta Pećanac, loyal to Nedić)
4. Independent Chetnik collaborationists (local commanders)
5. Serbian National Guard (units of Nedić's government)
6. Serbian Volunteer Corps (Army of Dimitrije Ljotić)
7. Russian Protection Corps (White Russians)
8. Ustasha army (Ustasha party army NDH)
9. Home Guard (regular NDH army)
10. Units of Huska Miljković (independent local Muslim militia - Bihać)
11. Hanjar SS Division and Muslim militias (Bosnian Muslims)
12. Montenegrin federalists (Greens)
13. Albanian ballistas (Kosovo)
14. Albanian Skanderbeg SS Division (Kosovo)
15. Slovenian White Guard
16. Local Volksdeutsche units
FOREIGN UNITS:
17. Wehrmacht
18. Waffen SS
19. Bulgarian Imperial Army
20. Hungarian army
21. Italian army
22. British military missions
23. American military missions
24. Soviet military missions and the Red Army
How people survived, I don't know.
Good story stefan
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Sounds to me like this must be about the “Misery and strange bedfellows” we hear so much about.
True.
The British Betrayed the Serbs. Unfortunately we are still bearing the ramifications of this damaging policy shift. We are perhaps one of the few European countries not to have Decommunized comprehensively. The resting place of Mihailović is still unknown, whilst Broz's remains haven't been repatriated to Kumrovec, or Zagreb (not that they want him). Thank you for exploring and circulating a complex chapter in my nations history. Keep up the good work.
Note. In his meetings with Tito, Draža was adamant that Broz was a foreigner. That he was most likely an ethnic Russian. Many Serbs also believed this as Broz spoke our language poorly and with a peculiar accent. A declassified NSA report touches on this interesting subject. To my knowledge his Soviet files are still classified.
Tito was Stalin's favorite because Before the war in Europe, Tito repeatedly tried to join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, Tito was destined as the person who would be able to enter Yugoslavia the communist regime.
This is why the Soviet Union suffered the most casualties, in exchange to get its piece of cake in the form of influence on most of the Balkans.
This theory doesn't make much sense to me. So Stalin deliberately made his army suffer so many losses in order Tito could gain power in Yugoslavia?
You still had fighting going on over there after world war 2 was over it was one of the worst places to be living during that time.
True, Battle of Odzak at the end of May 1945 occured.
my grandfather was a chenik and partisan, was a high ranking partizan during , after the war was granted land here and here throughout croatia and serbia, as he would declined as he would anmd took retirement on his land befor the war
I think that you made oversimplified video on very serious topic trying to cover everything but skipping most crucial points . At beginning there were two Chetnik groups, first Mihailović and another Kosta Pećanac (most of photographies of Chetniks with Germans are actually from Pećanac Chetniks). Kosta Pećanac until mid of July 1941 even had more people then Mihailović but when Pećanac officially sided himself with the puppet government in Belgrade and placed his troops at German disposal Mihailović publicly denounced him as a traitor and most of Pećanac man switched side joining Mihailović. There was even battle where Mihailović and Pećanac Chetniks clashed in a fight for town of Kruševac 1941 (Germans arrived and supported Pećanac Chetniks against Mihailović). Užice is even more bizarre and non of UA-cam historians tell the story correct. Užice actually did not fall to Tito in a real battle, Germans decided to retreat from town leaving it to Chetniks who were loyal to Pećenac because Partizans and Mihailović Chetniks almost surrounded whole area and Germans count that it is not worth to fight for it. Pećanac Chetniks next day officially parade in the center of Užice gaining control of town but then Partisans arrived, surrounded town and after negotiations Pećanac Chetniks were forced to leave Užice where day after now Partisans had parade in the center XD. Furthermore after Germans re-captured Užice from Partisans and kicked out Tito they turned their focus on Chetniks creating "Operation Mihailović" and Mihailović bearly escaped capturing when one of his commanders in the last moment in front of him surrender to Germans claiming that he is Mihailović in person which technically Draža. Irony of destiny is that captured commander was Aleksandar Mišić, son of Serbia WW1 General Živojin Mišić whoes mother was German (yap Serbian WW1 General had German wife)! Aleksandar also spoke some German so at the end they offered him freedom if he join Nazi efforts and told them where Mihailović is hidden but he rejected and was shoot (place and time still not know until today), by some sources he was throwing shoes on German shooting squad before execution. This is only for 1941, imagine what could you write for other yes, sadly all UA-cam channels make fast forward things not going into important parts and foreggeting that many stuff they told are actually re-written after war by the winners in this case communists.
I'll just write one thing and everything you wrote about innocent Mihailovic falls to the water. Kosta Pecanac cetniks joined Mihailovic chetniks at the end of 1942 and battle of Neretva was in 1943. Total breakdown of Mihailovic chetniks at Neretva battle and loss of support from western allies.
A " CETA" is a militäry Unit in Serbian/Kroatian/Bosnien etc. Language. In Serbia was a "CETA" Chetnik a Militäry Unit whicht is fighting for the KINGDOM OF YOUGASLAVIA which were most of Serbian. "CETAS" there were many on the Balkans.
This video has some flaws
1) Chetnik colaborationist with Germans begun in first indirectly 1941 via Nedić, and than directly in 1943. Mihailović was aware of This, some of
2) Even die hard chetnik fans do not deny colaboration with Mussolini's forces. Mihailović was supporter of that, and Churchill was perfectly aware of this (Gornje Lipovo incident)
3) chetniks did not liberate ANY of towns in Serbia in 1944
Some Chetniks in Croatia officially collaborated with Italians in order to save people and civilians, in places where local Chetnik commanders made deal with Italians Serbian villages were mostly saved comparing to the other parts of NDH where they were ethnically cleansed. Secondly even Partisans made different type of collaborations during the war but many of those documents were of course destroyed because they could compromise Tito image, after all history is written by the winners. Third in 1943 Mihailović never made any official deal with Germans, just as an example Germans and Ustashe in 1943 started joint operation Teufel III clashing with Chetniks who refused to be under the Ustashe rule. In 1944 couple of towns in Serbia were under control of Mihailović Chetniks and those towns were bombed by the allies worst then what Germans did in their bombings.
@@rogyn8484 desire to save Serbs from NDH wasn't only reason for Chetnik colaboration. Chetniks, Italians (NDH and Nazi Germany, too) have common in staunch anticomunism. So, Chetniks in NDH (MVAC) were fed, armed and payed by Italians to fight exclusively against partisans. In Montenegro there were not any Ustashe force, yet even there Chetniks colaborated with Italians.
Partisans never colaborated with Axis. Hitler, Mussolini and Stalin would not sanction any kind of Axis-partisan aprochment after Barbarosa
@@BokicaK1 Of course Chetniks goal was elimination of communists as a threat among the other things, Mihailović never hide this fact even on the court, especially after Chetniks/Partisans split that happens during late summer of 1941, until then both sides fought jointly in Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro. In NDH you had different Chetnik groups that were acting in many cases on their own without headquarter permissions (Mihailović report on Jezdimir Dangić is good example, he described situation of units under his command where everyone is doing what they want) some of them relaying on the ground situation so in the same period of 1943 you had pictures from two different Chetnik groups, one is posing with Italians and Ustashe somewhere in Croatia while other on Drina near Bajina Bašta where they are standing on recently captured Nazi flag. If they were only "fed" in NDH then Croats would never organize Teufel III operation against Chetniks that included special German units trying to push them out from Bosnian/Serbian border. Tito partisans also collaborate with Italians and Germans on the local level, of course in smaller amount but still those things happen even in the reports of Germans who wrote multiple times describing that they had meetings with local Partisans and Chetnik commanders regarding different topics (there were even some prisoners swaps). Of course those things were mostly removed from history books just like they try to hide Partisans crimes committed at the end and during the war. This being said it not justify war crimes on either side but war is not black/white there are so many things in between and details that channels like this are constantly skipping.
Nedic was collaborationist Government, not the chetnik.
Similar construction could be made that Croatian communist of CP of Croatia collaborated with the Germans via NDH and Pavelic.
The Chetniks liberated 35 cities from the Germans by 1944.
Draža Mihailović help the Americans in operation halyard after the war he was sentenced to death by a show trial he was award the legion of merit The High Court rehabilitated Draža Mihailović on 14 May 2015. This ruling reverses the judgment passed in 1946, sentencing Mihailović to death for collaboration with the occupying Nazi forces and stripping him of all his rights as a citizen According to the ruling, the Communist regime staged a politically and ideologically motivated trial
He was a war criminal. Operation Halyard (which, by the way, barely anybody heard about, even in the west, before 1990s revisionism or "more modern history interpretation") and saving some American airmen doesn't erase the fact he was collaborating with Axis already from late 1941 and forward, the fact he had his own "final solution" manifest regarding greater Serbia, and all war crimes chetniks commited not only against Muslims of western Balkans but even Serbs (children included) who didn't want to follow his garbage ideology. What he was doing in 1940s was inspiration to what his followers did in former Yugoslav wars in 1990s. Today's Serbia is led by the degenerates from that very same Milosevic 1990s, who at the time were junior aspiring nationalists, like president himself Aleksander Vucic (who as "angry young man" in mid 90s said things like "for every killed Serbian soldier we'll kill 100 muslims" ). The very same High Court, of that very same Serbia, rehabilitated Mihailovic in 2015.
Did he collaborate with German and Italian soldiers????? Don't go around. Answer. Tell the truth.
No he didn’t this was in the beginning before the war started fact !!
@@pavlestanimirovic Mihailovic collaborated with Germans but with English too. So, yes, he was collaborator, no doubt and the worst thing is this, that he wasn't on the side of Balkan people. I can't get over that. Why he didn't join forces with Tito??? It's our people. It is different ideology, but it's our people. How can some Italians, Germans or English be more important that Balkan people (even if they are communists)?
This is just a time fragmet in history that ilustrates why Balkans were and still are a powder keg.
Poorly researched topic resulting in superficial presentation up to the level of being flatly wrong… disappointing.
Care to explain?
Nema garde bez kokarde ni vojnika bez Cetnika
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It is part of an old Cetnik song:"There is no guard without kokarda (cetnik sign on the subara hat) and only Cetnik is a soldier." @@HistoryHustle
Stop podeli srpstva. Slava dobrovoljcima.
I remember seeing an interview with an old brittish soldier crying as he explained how they turned over surrendered Chetniks and other axis friendly groups with their families in the balkans to Titos partisans and how they could hear the gunshots across the river from the mass murder that took place, so much for fighting for freedom and democracy.
Tito's partisans also committed many crimes on italians near the border with Italy.
Justice served🥱🥱🥱
@@vladtheimpaler5454 What do you mean
@@theswede5402 what happened to chetnik and ustach.Justice served
@@vladtheimpaler5454 So murdering innocent women and children is justice.
Do a show on the Dutch volunteers to the national socialist cause. Did any of them end up in Stalingrad fighting the bolshevik forces?
I have 8 videos on that. Please check:
ua-cam.com/play/PL_bcNuRxKtpH80zEWzRuvOVAc2C0M7C1V.html
Man, you've no idea what kind of hellfire this comment section is going to become.
I personally agree with the whole "Draza never collaborated" statement, but the idealization and worship of the Chetniks (who in the best case scenario are a failed resistance movement during ww2) here in Serbia, especially when it comes from the kinds of people who are quick on the draw to insult the other Yugoslavs as well, makes me pretty mad.
It's crazy...
There were only two options: become a failed communist state or join nations under the Western framework. Anyone and everyone who wished not to become part of a failed communist state opposed Tito’s movement, and by default would have expressed support for Draza’s movement. Nothing ideological by that, just a simple logical deduction.
"I personally agree with the whole "Draza never collaborated" statement". What do you mean, they never collaborated????? They did. 100%. I mean, everyone knows this. Look at the pictures of smiley faces of chetniks and Italians. Go over Jablanica, Prozor, Konjic fight and see who collaborated with who. That's truth.
@nebojsa1976 Like I said, I have never seen a piece of credible evidence that Draža himself collaborated. The Chetniks, whom he was supposed to be the leader of, absolutely did. Not all of them, but far too many. Hence, he is either a failed resistance leader or a traitor. The modern-day trial process could not properly convict him of treason because of a lack of evidence. That's why I believe he never collaborated.
@@nameless473 Come on man, come on. Come on. If he was not the leader, if he was not so popular, then how come up to this day he is still in the news??? Of course, he was the leader. Yes, there were some fractions, but he was the leader. Chetniks needed leader and he was their leader. We are talking 10's of thousands of Chetniks collaborating with Italians, not maybe 100 or 200.
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The reprisals against Partisans was entirely based on British behavior in it's occupied lands - E.G Palestine, India, Kenya etc. They never hesitated in reprisals against those who resisted and their reprisals were just as brutal. Funny that you never mention Allied criminal behaviour - EVER.
So because the British carried out reprisals in their colonies, the Germans did it tenfold in their territories and that's therefore justified? Two evils don't make one good, sir.
I did talk about the Red Army war crimes, as well as the bombing of Dresden which I dedicated videos on.
@@HistoryHustle Tenfold? What is your source, for example, of this British behavior in Iraq, Palestine etc - I mean numbers. I know, from data collected by the Brits, akin to Rumsfeldt saying they didn't count dead Iraqis. And. just for the record, Dresden and the Red Army were not the only atrocities committed by the Allies. Then again, I'm not surprised that you'd single out the Red Army because, well, the Cold War never really finished for countries infected by NATO, witness the proxy war against Russia at the expense of albeit willing sections of Ukraine.
Whataboutism.
@@HistoryHustle That word is the last refuge of those who do not see the big picture of History. Your programs are devoted to a blatant need to make the Germans out as unique pigs. Get a grip, Whatabout man!!!
any movies about this?
Dunno.
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Thanks for watching.
why we don't have so many photos/video from their crimes at all?
we can see photos, even they did photos or recordings of their crimes?
There are photos of Chetniks crimes yes.
@@HistoryHustle sure but not so many!
Guess they were not too keen on photographing their crimes.
Muslims were mostly killed by serb chetniks from Montenegro. According to my great grandpa(who served in chetniks) around 10000 muslims were killed in Foca and Sanjak. Leader of montenegrin chetniks was Pavle Djurisic who encouraged killing muslims as act of revenge because they cobalorated with usatshe and germas when killing serbs in NDH and Sanjak and Montenegro. Chetniks and relationship with muslims is pretty complicated,but very tragic for both sides.
Veri corekt..
Thanks for watching.
Yugoslavia was a prime example of what population transfers cause.
A few years ago, I followed this page, until it started talking about the topic of Yugoslavia during World War II. The huge number of inaccurate or mitigated information was. At first I thought the canal owner misunderstood some things. However, as time went on and as more and more videos on the topic of Yugoslavia were created, I realized that this character has a problem with Bosnia and Croatia, and how he seeks to justify Serbia. There is almost no mention in the videos about Croatia and the Ustasha regime of Croatian partisans, who until the collapse of the Chetnik forces in 1944 were either the first or second most numerous nationality in the Partisans. The first armed partisan diversion was made by Croatian partisans near the town of Karlovac on June 22, 1941. In this video, it was mentioned that it was not until the end of 1943 that Croats began to join the partisans, which is not true. According to this video, Chetnik forces were presented as peacekeepers who, like each side, carried out executions, and the partisans attacked them for no reason. It was not mentioned that the Chetniks were an organization as equal as fascism, idea was to kill all people but Serbs and create greater Serbia, they thoroughly carried it out alongside the Italians in Dalmatia where they also had their own concentration camps. An example is the conc. camp "Kosovo" near the city of Knin, which was even called „ Serbian Jasenovac”. The leader of the Dalmatian Chetniks, Momcilo Djujic even made his own device to kill „popovo bure”. It was a barrel with spikes inside of which a prisoner would be placed and then the barrel would be pushed off the cliff. Chetniks slaughtered and killed, and they worked hard with the Ustashas, the Italians and the Germans - there are pictures where they drink alcohol with Ustashas. It is not mentioned that together with the Germans and Ustashas, they took part in the fighting against the partisans near Neretva. Both Serbs and Croats are two nationalities that were bastards in World War II and rose "pure clean" in partisans, Dear Sir, I sincerely feel sorry for the people watching this channel because you have reduced it to propaganda and a simplified truth where you take the parts that fit you, and ignore the ones that don’t like. I hope that in the future, history will not serve you as a prostitute to use on your own needs.
Serbs from Bosnia/Krajina did ALL the Partisan fighting for ALL of the war. It was only when the tide had turned and the Nazis started loosing did the croat/ustasha swap sides and join the Partisans. croats only joined up in the last two years of the war to cover their Nazi arses.
@@goranmiljus2664 ne?... srpski mitovi.... draža je duže surađiva s njemcima nego hrvati
pavelic je 100 puta gori nego drazo
hrvati su slobodno saradjivali sa nemcima. srbi nisu @@ivanula6606
"Serbs and Croats were both bastards of WW2", don't you dare put Serbs in the same sentence as Croats for atrocities committed in WW2 you deluded Ustaša.
Do you plan on covering the fall of Yugoslavia after Titos death,and the Balkan war of the 90s?
Did make an overview video a while back. Here it is:
ua-cam.com/video/JrMX2b8LLtY/v-deo.html
But hope to cover more indepth later.
@History Hustle
Thanks, checked it out.
I don't think 12 mins is enough to cover the death of the great Tito and the aftermath of the unfortunate war that a lot of us balkan families endured.
Any plans on an in-depth look at both down the road?
Thanks. This summer I will go to Bosnia!
@History Hustle
Thats cool, I recommend you go visit Sarajevo,Mostar and Banja Luka. There's some decent places to check out if you're into nature,mountains lakes etc too.
Definitely try out the famous balkan dishes of čevape and pita.
Cheers
Mÿ Father was a Chetnic.
Thanks for sharing.
Irish man Thomas Crowley died as an officer in Croatian army in the 90s
rest in piss
Once I read a great book about the Yugoslavian wars of the 90's.
Anthony Loyd's "My war gone by, I miss it so". Anthony Loyd, a war photographer and a fellow ex-heroine addict encountered some foreign volunteers in the Croatian Army during his free-lance activities in Bosnia. A great, great book.
@@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt Look BBC documentary "Dogs of war" about Brits in Croatian Army in 90's.
13.02.1943. Pavle Đurišić to his boss Draža Mihailović.
The operations were carried out exactly according to the order and the command issued. The attack started at the appointed time. All commanders and units performed the given tasks to the general satisfaction.
All Muslim villages in the three mentioned sections were completely burned so that none of their homes remained intact. All property was destroyed except cattle, grain and hay.
During the operations, the complete destruction of Muslim life was started, regardless of gender and age.
Victims. - Our total victims were 22 dead, of which 2 by accident and 32 wounded. Among the Muslims, about 1,200 fighters and up to 8,000 other victims: WOMEN, OLD PEOPLE AND CHILDREN.
my History Professor, you forgot to say that only a smal groop of cetniks fight with the Germans and not Draza Mihajlovic and his people!!!
My Grandfather was by the Cetniks and his brother was by the Partizane, i know both sides and i know who this view racial Cetnics are but there are not supporting Draza Mihajlovic!!! About Tito, the USSR support him but after the war the USSR saw who Tito is and than they wanted to attack Jugoslawia!!! I hope you know this, but its true that only view Cetnics fight with German together against Partisane and Draza Mihajlovic!!! this Garbage is still existing in some villages in Hercegovina!!! Later Tito killed Draza Mihajlovic but the Kroatian ustasa Alojzije Stepinac , catolic priest, get prison 16 years and came 5 years later out ans was free Miroslav Filipovic killed in one day 52 Serbian kids in the school , also get prison for view days and came out. thats only view of this murderer and ustasa killer names who didnt get shot or get sued!!! My Grandfather in the last Jugoslavian war was killed from ustasa and he was 93 years old, this was 1993!!! sorry i wrote too much but it will be interesting to hear something about Tito and why his mother didnt recognize him when he came back from Wien!!!
hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitka_na_Neretvi
I love these courageous people...they have been tortured for years by the Nazis...God had blessed Draza. Ajmo braca srbi pozdrav vama svima iz Rusije
Not just the Nazi of WWII, but also the Austro-Hungarians, Germans, and Bulgarians of WWI, and the Ottoman Turks for centuries before that.
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Where the Allied landings supposed to take place at 6:52 after the ding dong? In all honesty, I think Mihailović, was a bit of an idiot. I don't think he really understood the situation well, and made some damn stupid decisions. Take it easy.
Remember the Axis also were led to believe a landing in Dalmatia was probable/possible. Allied disinformation misled Mihailović as well as Axis.
Furthermore the Brits sometimes deliberately misled/lied to their allies to "keep them pumped up" and not slack off. Just like Arabs in WWI were promised lands but were pretty much given the shaft....
From what I have read the British put an effort into convincing the Germans of a landing on the Dalmatian coast. They reinforced this with raids by motor torpedo boats.
Hello from Serbia, I think you should have mentioned in the beginning that the Chetnicks were Monarchists while the Partisans were communists. Also the Chethnicks had a fair share of warcrimes in Serbia against the Serbian population against the civilians they seen as Partisan collaborators.
Until 2008. in Serbia only the Partisans were oficially regarded as liberators. In 2008. there was a law enacted which equalised the Chetnicks and Partisans which allowed the nationalism to grew even more as the most of the public is actually idolizing the chetnicks since the communistic regime fell with post WW2 Yugoslavia in 1992. Btw this law was encated by the democratic party which is center left and the serbian socialist party which declares itself as the continuation of the Yugoslaw communist party. So if these two selfdeclared leftist parties are for the chetnicks go figure what the rightwingers think of them...
I personally see a lot of wrongdoinngs by the partisans but they liberated Yugoslavia in WW2 and since 1943 had the support of the western allies and the Soviet union. We are living through historical revisionism in Serbia. And not to mention the 1990s wars...
Thanks for sharing your insights.
@@HistoryHustle Thank you for covering this difficult topic. Btw I recently met some students from Greece. I found their ideological situation inverted as their monarchists were the WW2 liberators (with a little help of Britain) while the communists are the ones who have a cult following as the underdogs and the ones who haven't ruled Greece post WW2.
Steta sto nema prevoda na srpskohrvatski...
Sorry.
@@HistoryHustle he said .... " pitty no serbocro subtitles." ( he does not understand english.)
Well Branka, it's time to learn English, or demand youtube provides Serbian/Croatian subtitles
@@MooncricketsInc razumjem koliko razumjem.Zato sam rekla steta sto nema prevoda.Naucila bih ga davno da sam bila motivisana.Ovako o svom trosku kao cistacica zbrinjavam zivotinje i borim se da platim hranu i racune.Tesko da ostaje snage i koncetracije za citanje knjige a kamoli ucenje jezika.Iz moje situacije..za mene je to vrijeme i ta volja...luksuz.
top video
Thanks.
Why didn't you mention one of the most important battles between the Chetniks (Draža Mihajlović) and the Nazis against the Partisans, the battle on the Neretva in 1943.? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Case_White
The video is not about the combat history, more the formation itself.
@@HistoryHustleThe Battle of the Neretva is a combat, the most important battle for the partisan movement led by Tito (Croat) in which the Chetniks (Serbs FORMATION with their leader Draž Mihajlović) suffered heavy losses on the side of the Nazis.I got the impression that you deliberately omitted that combat, Serbs like to forget that.
Cetnici su bili srpski fasisti, to si trebao na samom pocetku da kazes.
It is not that clear cut.
You forgot to talk about how the chetniks saved 300 american pilots, then the partisans stole this victory by saying to their british allies that they did it. Evropa zna al neće da prizna, Draža je branio slobodu i bio je junak!
Do mention the US came to get them. It's true, they were saved by the Chetniks.
@@HistoryHustle also would be fair to mention that partisans saved over 2000 airmen while fighting off invaders and quislings. Chetniks saved 417 in total. It is a popular revisionist idea these days to claim that partisans stole some imaginary chetnik successes. Chetnik sympathisers always like to point out how chetniks saved pilots because that's pretty much their only positive achievement regarding the war. Draza Mihailovic knew everything that was going on and he personally ordered some of it, that's why he was shot after the war.
Thanks for all the good work you've put in Yugoslavian history. In my opinion you were a bit too easy on chetniks, they were a wild bunch, they killed a lot of civilians, Serbian included, while pretending they are not fighting Nazis to save civilians. Ethnic cleansing was their specialty but they would kill anyone they suspect had ties with partisans. My grand-grandparents were killed by them just because they lived in a village that supported partisans.
Ravnogorsk ideology is based on ideological and ethnic exclusivity. In the entire activity of the Chetniks, crimes do not represent isolated incidents, but a regular practice organized, accepted or approved by the leadership at all levels. The crimes were spontaneous (out of hatred) and organized (by order). The documentation contains a large number of orders ordering subordinates to commit war crimes. Crimes were an accepted practice - there are numerous documents that testify that the crimes and the perpetrators were known to the responsible commands, which did not react excessively against these phenomena. In numerous reports to superior commands, crimes are openly mentioned and described.
You like a vladimir lenin
Lol.
What about chetniks attrocities ??
Watch the full video.
Very happy that Ante Pavelić and Draza Mihajlovic are dead,but very sad that some people still love them.
Crazy yes.
only natural that people would support the Eagle of Yugoslavia. Obviously it's not natural to support the nazi Pavelic.
Vlasov etc.,
He wasn't involved.
Wow, finally someone who studied the complicated situation in which the Serbs found themselves during two great wars. survived the crossing of Albania (Albanian Golgotha) in the first, and then the Croats in the second world war. And then at the end of the 20th century, the Serb winners and active participants in both wars experienced being destroyed by the Allies, all for the purpose of guarding Nazi servants.
Stefane King of the Serbs, Živeo.
you could say chetniks had all the right to want a greater Serbia if you look at the situation 70 years later
So because you something in the past it is legit to commit massacres to retrieve this? Is that your logic?
@@HistoryHustle All I said there was a reason they wanted what they wanted if more Serbs stood with their side Serbia would be a bigger side in todays world the other sides went with Tito because they know they could break up Yugoslavia at any point in the future which they did
Chetniks didnt allied nazis, they just Had one pact of non killing civilians, and Croats break it
Some units allied with the Axis
Chetniks had a Brigade made entirely of Croats. From Kastel (Dalmatia).
Didn't know. Thanks for sharing.
Yes, in 'The Lord of the Rings'
What about all Albanians that were slaughtered by chetnicks just because they were Albanians unprotected and unarmed
Man, don't you know that you Albanians don't matter? Its a story about brave Chetniks here :) . Let the man tell a story.
You need to make peace with the fact that your history is not documented well.
Its not too late to start investing in movies , write a bunch of articles etc., find a bunch of people to spread your truth on Internet. BUT still...you're just Albanians, sorry, you're just not that exotic.
I mean, Americans made a movie "Wag the Dog" about undeveloped little Albanians and how easy it is to create chaos of disinformation today.
Nice people those western civilisations.
How were you unprotected and unarmed. You were helping Italy and Germany do evil shit in Serbia. Albos were killing serbs in Kosovo and Nish. Albos had their own SS division. Albos were dying in Stalingrad killing Russians. The sooner Albos go back to Tajikistan the better Europe will be.
This is classical winners history...
Poor Draza was abounded by west, and communist destroy Serbian church and tradition...
Please watch the video.
I don't wish to patronize you, I enjoy your work and follow it regularly. Here is just some positive critique.
1. There were no "Chetniks", they were colloquially called so by the people. In official documents they are "JVuO" or "Yugoslav Army In The Fatherland" since there were also those that fled to London or Cairo and they were "Yugoslav Army Outside Fatherland"
2. There was no such thing as "collaboration" with the axis. JVuO had out of necessity to adher to principles such as "Modus Vivendi" and "Modus Operandi". It doesn't mean that they cooperated per say, but rather that the main mission of the JVuO was to put the stop on the genocide of Serbian civilians in NDH(ISoC). So sometimes it happened that JVuO asked the Axis to put the stop at the slaughter on Serbian civilians and in return the so called Chetniks gave some units to Axis for the fight against terrorist Communists that fought for a revolution during the state of war and occupation.
3. There was never the so called "Communist Užice Republic". The thing that happened was that the Communists and JVuO agreed on a joint campaign on Kraljevo which you mentioned but while JVuO was at the front fighting the Axis, Communists took the opportunity to "form" such a "Republic". Communists betrayed JVuO on the front line and thats why the campaign failed.
4. "Forgiven for thinking?". How could anyone say so? That literally was a stated plan by the Fascists that all Serbs will be exterminated in NDH.
5. When you say "legalized Chetniks" its worth knowing that those Chetniks were actually a form of spies that infiltrated Axis allied Serbian formations in order to ger intelligence and arms for the Chetniks.
6. It is also very important to mention that Stevan Moljević didn't write his document when he was a part of any political structure and his views were never an official view of Yugoslav government. He wrote that piece as a form of non-paper, for himself. Also, he was an ardent Yugoslav and the supporter of Yugoslav idea, his vision wasn't ethnically cleansed Serbia but rather national Serbia but within Yugoslavia and he didn't call for ethnic cleansing but rather for transfer of population where Muslims and Croats would have to be transfered from regions where they committed genocide against the Serbs and in return Serbs would be transfered from the regions where Croats or Muslims made majority of the population.
7. USSR communists never supported Chetniks in any way. At that time, the Axis were at Stalingrad so the USSR Communist were in no position to support anyone, not even their own Yugoslav Partisans, let alone their ideological enemies Chetniks. I have no idea where you got tthat from. The Chetniks were exclusively being supported by the allies and the government exiled in London. I guess you just made a mistake there. You wanted to say allies but said USSR.
8. The Chetniks were highly mobile and effective. The reason why they failed to seem so was because their goal was to stop the Genocide against the Serbs in NDH before fighting the Axis directly. But nevertheless, Chetniks had many victories against the Axis but the problem is that they were all prescribed to the Communists when Allies made agreements with Stalin.
9. It is false that many Croats joined the Partisans. Majority of Partisan fighters were Serbs, only Croats from coastal regions that the NDH gave to Italy joined the Partisans, around 15/20.000 soldiers. While Croats numbered up to 300.000 soldiers in various Axis formations.
10. Somehow you make the false premise that the Allies abandoned Mihajlović because of Chetnik collaboration with the Axis. It was vice-versa. The allies abandoned Mihajlović because Allies agreed to concessions in favour to USSR Communists because USSR carried the brunt of the fight against the Axis and Western allies were years late with offensives promised to Stalin. The reason the Chetniks became ineffective was that allies cut support to them and its not the case that Allies cut support to Chetniks because they were ineffective. So allies cut support to Chetniks and as a result of that the Chetniks became ineffective and that is the reason the Chetniks had to withdraw before the Communists. They were simply low on supplies.
11. If there is any form of cooperation between the Chetniks and the Axis, you can provide us with the documents that point to it. Because as far as I know there were no agreements between JVuO high command and the Axis.
12. Draža was murdered in 1946.
13. The end map of the so called "Greater Serbia" is completelly wrong, the first one at the beginningbwas right and its just helpful for one to check the ethnic map that corresponds to that map. There was room for non-Serbs in homogenous Serbia, there was only no room for those who committed genocide against Serbian civilians. All crimes against non-Serbs were comitted as a form of reprisal against those that perpatrated genocide or supported it.
14. Draža had control but there was nothing he could do to stop his generals avenging the deaths of their own children.
All in all, great work and thank you. Keep it up.
A summary of modern day revisionism. All the documents and proofs are well known to anyone interested, but not to you and to your ideologist, a pseudo-historian Miloslav Samardzic. It wouldn't hurt you to read some actual history books.
@@atomov feel free to give sources and I will check them out.
@@atomov Bro you gave me a link to Marxist web page...
@Ništa LOL, no. If that's the only thing you see there, then I don't know what to say... It's a page dedicated to the liberation war. There is a whole section about chetniks. There is also a section with authors from allied countries and literature on chetnik war crimes. That's the history of WWII. You can't just label anything that doesn't praise chetniks as "Marxist."
Anyway, have a good day, I hope I helped
@@atomov If Nazis wrote books on US or allied crimes would you buy them? There is absolutly nothing that is on there that cones from non-Marxist authors. The creator of the page was a declared Marxist-Communist and when he died he was commemorated with "Thank you for bringing up new generations of Marxist-Communists" lol. Marxists literally have their own history since they themselves claim how they "Broke the chains of history". History begins and ends with Marxists. That is why USSR was built on lies and thats why it fell apart. Thanks but no thanks, I will stick to non-politically aligned authors. Have a good day.
It's my understanding that the chetniks also persecuted Jews.
Some units did yes.
@@HistoryHustleSource?
@@HistoryHustleThat is a lie .The chetnicks savet Jews in Serbia and NDH.To extent that they cold.
@@HistoryHustleDraža personal physician was Jewish Tibor Goldwin.There were chetnik Jews especialy in Eastern Serbia .Draža baner anti-semitic propaganda in JVUO.
Yes, Mihailovic's Chetniks saved Allied airmen in Dec 1944. They were also Nazi collaborators who committed genocidal atrocities across Bosnia.
True.
@@HistoryHustle And it often and conveniently gets overlooked. I'm not accusing you of doing that, just reminding facts.
@@HistoryHustle Except there is no evidence of this. Bosnian Muslims fought in various SS units and are tremendous liars. Why would Truman give a medal to Mihailovic in 1948? and why did the pentagon try to keep this hush hush for so many years?
@@tarik6990A Bosnian talking about collaborating with Nazis 😂😂😂😂
@@JohnnyLenin Yes, I can because my family was never on the wrong side of history. Bosniaks have never attacked anyone or invaded any country or committed genocidal atrocities. Serbs, on the other hand, have and they proudly celebrate all of that still to this day.
Draza's Chetniks never supported Germans
Exceot they did at some point. Well collaborated with.
hr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitka_na_Neretvi