The Church Planned a "Temple Ship" but Had Concerns About "the Destroyer Upon the Waters" . . .

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  • @douglasnielson8250
    @douglasnielson8250 Місяць тому +30

    The church looked into having a temple ship but ships require a little of maintenance and inspections they felt they couldn’t maintain the environment needed for a temple. They also looked at putting a temple in a 747 but nixed the idea for similar reasons. Right now the church has done so well saving and investing part of the tithing money they collected over the years the church can now build and maintain many temples. A few decades earlier this was not an option because the funds were not there and they were looking at making a temple portable that could dock or land in different areas. Then President Hinkley decided small temples would be acceptable. Now they are building prefabricated module temples.

    • @eveadame1059
      @eveadame1059 Місяць тому +3

      TEMPLE SHIP ⚓ Riding upon the 👁️ SEA meaning Marine Maritime MARY Jesus' Mother Name 🌟 MARY also meaning Beloved and STAR of the SEA

    • @lindamartinez7006
      @lindamartinez7006 Місяць тому +2

      What is a prefabricated module temple ?

    • @douglasnielson8250
      @douglasnielson8250 Місяць тому +4

      @@lindamartinez7006 Temples constructed from individual modules made in a factory. The Helena Montana temple was the first constructed this way. It cuts the construction time in half and you get consistent quality because you are dealing with one contractor.

  • @PukaBullen
    @PukaBullen Місяць тому +5

    My grandfather was friends with President Hinckley, and he told me that President Hinckley had talked to him about this idea before they started the smaller temples. He told my grandfather that they had been trying to figure out what the right solution was and a ship was one of their serious considerations, even at that time.

  • @peteredenjr.1264
    @peteredenjr.1264 Місяць тому +16

    The Tabernacle was a portable temple, makes sense that a different mobile temple could be made to facilitate ordinances in remote areas. I wouldn't be surprised if they built one that could fit in either one or multiple semi trailers or containers to fulfill these needs, and it could be shipped around the world to these remote locations.

  • @KylonRic
    @KylonRic Місяць тому +29

    As a Navy Sailor, they need to make this happen! I would volunteer to serve aboard the USS Tabernacle for a mission-deployment.
    We have temple-worthy members who already deploy for lesser reasons than these. Surely we have the skill, manpower, and sacrifice to make this happen!
    Hooyah for Israel! ⚓️ 💪 ⛪️

    • @peteredenjr.1264
      @peteredenjr.1264 Місяць тому +5

      I would so go and volunteer.

    • @marilynwatene1480
      @marilynwatene1480 Місяць тому +4

      As an old navy brat, I agree. Maybe after all the saber rattling stops (and that old serpent, Satan, cast into his pit) it could be a possibility. I think it's brilliant! But maybe by then (and the technology exists) we could have another kind of "ship" that is anti gravity be available by then...At any rate, I think it would be wonderful to be able to take the temple to those who cannot reach one for their various difficulties.

    • @lindamartinez7006
      @lindamartinez7006 Місяць тому +3

      Jared I have heard of this before . A floating temple . I can’t remember the reason
      It stopped . But it was done for awhile . I will try to look it up . Also there was a lessen on how Noah’s ark was actually a temple . Had three floors .

    • @GregFessia
      @GregFessia Місяць тому

      As a fellow sailor, I concur!

  • @KevinReeve
    @KevinReeve Місяць тому +5

    I had no idea the Church had contemplated it. 20 years ago I thought that a temple on a ship would be a brilliant plan to go up and down the coasts of countries, however with the mass temple building now I see that a physical presence of a temple blesses all people, and allows members to serve in the temple including youth.

  • @cturinetti
    @cturinetti Місяць тому +19

    WOW. I had never heard about a temple ship, but last night I dreamed I was on one and helping others, like an escort would. Today you are talking about a temple ship

    • @solomonstello
      @solomonstello Місяць тому +6

      That's really interesting.

    • @CatchTheBuzz1
      @CatchTheBuzz1 Місяць тому +4

      I'm having some of these amazing experiences too! It's a lot of de ja vu situations either in dreams, or thoughts and conversations and then book it happens in real life or something. It's so so cool!

  • @DIANNJUNKIN
    @DIANNJUNKIN Місяць тому +14

    Have you visited the tabernacle in Paris, Idaho? It was built by a ship maker and the inside looks like an upside down ship. The woodwork is amazing!

  • @l.chrisjones7775
    @l.chrisjones7775 Місяць тому +6

    Speaking of a temple ship. One of the church's historic chapel/meetinghouses in Pine Valley Utah was designed and built by Ebenezer Bryce, whom the National Park was named after. He was a shipbuilder and the roof trusses were built like the hull of an upside-down ship. This is now the church's oldest meetinghouse in continuous use.

  • @Shtinamin
    @Shtinamin Місяць тому +12

    I think that the one phrase you questioned with living ordinances in temples is exactly saying that most countries outside the U.S. are more focused on living ordinances because the members are not focusing on proxy. They are more motivated to go for themselves and don’t to for proxy because it is much more difficult to travel to a temple for members outside the US.

  • @kathleent5942
    @kathleent5942 Місяць тому +2

    difficult words: divide them into syllables:
    Osage = O-sage (long o, long a)…
    McIlwain’s = say:
    mac - ill -wain’s ( short a, short i, long a).
    This really helps me with long & unfamiliar words❣️

  • @thewombattank7252
    @thewombattank7252 Місяць тому +11

    Our homes need to be like temples. refer to Sacred Homes, Sacred Temples
    By Elder Gary E. Stevenson Of the Seventy Sunday afternoon April 2009 conference "Not only can we turn the doors of our homes to the temple, or the house of the Lord; we can make our homes a “house of the Lord.” "

  • @karensgreens
    @karensgreens Місяць тому +6

    In 1953, my father was Called to Serve in the Paris, France Mission. He spent a few weeks traveling by boat across the Atlantic Ocean to get to France. Your video about the potential for having a Temple Ship left me wondering, “What would it be like if Missionaries being sent abroad from their homelands to distant countries were transported by LDS Temple Ships? These missionaries would have many opportunities every day to perform Temple Ordinances while getting transported to and from their Missions! The ships would never need to lay in harbor for extensive periods beyond taking in necessary supplies, boardings, maintenance and unboarding. 12 to 18 month missions for the ship’s personnel. Might that work during the coming Millennium?

    • @CatchTheBuzz1
      @CatchTheBuzz1 Місяць тому +2

      Yes!!! It would make a lot of sense to me to do something like this and that it would then happen

  • @susanscavetta9618
    @susanscavetta9618 Місяць тому +1

    With God, nothing is impossible.🙏😇⭐️

  • @bobwerner6512
    @bobwerner6512 Місяць тому +10

    Those on the other side of the Vale are PRAYING that the work be done for them they want to have the Chains off them so they can help take care of family on THIS side of the vale.

    • @maryjr3857
      @maryjr3857 Місяць тому +2

      *Veil

    • @endlesseverfall3176
      @endlesseverfall3176 Місяць тому +4

      To make their wishes comes true, any temple worthy members should at least take 20 names to be baptized and confirmed
      every visit they make to the temple. It doesn't matter whose names they take, this will help drain hell fast than it's been vacuuming non stop. Help the Lord and Heavenly Father, gather more souls on their side, in helping maximizing the benefits of our Savior's atonement for mankind, we need to help these souls trapped their being tortured and be released from the chains of hell and enjoy the beauty of paradise and meet their loved one's once again in a happy place.

    • @CatchTheBuzz1
      @CatchTheBuzz1 Місяць тому +2

      ​@@endlesseverfall3176that's a great plan. I got to do that here in Meridian Idaho but I have heard multiple times in places like Utah that 4 or 5 names is all they get to do and Sealings are about the same where as I can get about 20+ names done of my own in a session. I will sign up for 3 Initiatories back to back

    • @bobwerner6512
      @bobwerner6512 Місяць тому +1

      @@maryjr3857 Thank you I knew it was not right but wanted to get the info out before I forgot. Can not wait till we get to use GODS language

  • @davegreen7594
    @davegreen7594 Місяць тому +8

    I guess I need to pull out my father‘s painting of his rendering of a spaceship temple he painted back in the 80s. I think he would have enjoyed the LDSS Nuavoo spaceship in the Expanse books and series. He was a sci-fi nut as is his son.

  • @rebeccabecause
    @rebeccabecause Місяць тому +10

    What a great image. Temple cruise ship

  • @jum5238
    @jum5238 Місяць тому +2

    A big reason for live endowments over work for the dead overseas is the massive cost for travel by people in very low income areas which took a long time to save for. It's hard to save up with similar sacrifice for ancestors as well.

  • @RestoredGospelofChrist
    @RestoredGospelofChrist Місяць тому +1

    Ships can be crewed and maintained by worthy members who have skills in such fields. The membership of the Church is now so diverse that such manpower issues are no longer a problem.

  • @Yahshuahamashiacsampson
    @Yahshuahamashiacsampson Місяць тому +6

    1:44 THIS IS BRILLIANT!

  • @robynmills5534
    @robynmills5534 Місяць тому +2

    I love the idea of a temple ship. It’s genius. You could serve a temple ship mission.

  • @rebeccairvine5768
    @rebeccairvine5768 Місяць тому +4

    I heard a while back the Church was considering making portable temples that could be moved around. When the Mesa, AZ temple was closed for three years for renovation I wished they would have transportable temple nearby for Saints to use (which would have relieved the traffic on the next nearest temples).

  • @scubed8671
    @scubed8671 Місяць тому +2

    A “MERCY” TEMPLE! Like the “Mercy” ships we have that go around providing healthcare for children, Operation Smile 😊

  • @MiriamBallejos-j9h
    @MiriamBallejos-j9h Місяць тому +1

    Reminds me of the concept behind Mercy Ships - they carry medical care to areas of the world where it is not readily available. Manned with many volunteers - providing surgery and other care for free.

  • @kathleent5942
    @kathleent5942 Місяць тому +5

    #flood - the man I shared the digital Book of Mormon with (actually LDS Library) several months ago, is coming to church regularly with the Spanish group in Waco, attending extra activities, & is taking the missionary lessons.

    • @MattMorency
      @MattMorency Місяць тому

      I'm from Waco! Don't live there now, but good to hear it is growing.

    • @kathleent5942
      @kathleent5942 Місяць тому +1

      @@MattMorency Waco is now a stake with 12 units - they just broke ground for a new stake center in Temple - in a year or so Waco Stake will split❣️

  • @Anne-ee1pw
    @Anne-ee1pw Місяць тому +1

    This was very enlightening! Thanks.❤

  • @l.chrisjones7775
    @l.chrisjones7775 Місяць тому +5

    I heard that the temple for Shanghai China might be built in an existing building. That way it will fit into the surrounding area. And it might help with the permits to have that temple

  • @RestoredGospelofChrist
    @RestoredGospelofChrist Місяць тому +3

    Look up "Mobile Tactical Temples" by Ilyan Kei Lavanway, November 2017. It is a short written account of a dream I had seven years ago, and at that time I had no idea such a concept had ever been considered. This is exciting! Is this one of the many changes President Nelson has talked about?

  • @Coopdaddy70
    @Coopdaddy70 Місяць тому +4

    Hey Jared, here are a couple of notes for you: For the Destroyer, think about initiatories in the Temple, specifically the last part. The Destroyer is referenced there. Also, as a former Missourian who grew up in the Ozarks, I know that osage is pronounced (long o) o sage (like the herb). There is the Osage Indian tribe, Osage River, Osage Beach (city), etc. I hope that helps. Appreciate the work and the video!

  • @Borkybaby
    @Borkybaby Місяць тому +2

    Power of the authority of the priesthood. Can make a temple anywhere and in any which way. And I believe hugh Nibley said the only reason for a physical temple to is enclose the blessings within. However it isn’t necessary to have. But goes back to authority and having the priesthood. Awesome church.

  • @nathanthroop1411
    @nathanthroop1411 Місяць тому +2

    I was on my mission when the Church introduced the idea of small temples. After that announcement, we joked that we needed to do more and we suggested a fleet of semis rolling around the world with ordinance rooms in the trailers. They could have Angel Moroni mudflaps and written on the side could be the words, "Holiness to the Lord, the Truck of the Lord."
    Not sure how we weren't struck by lightening.

  • @arohaigatia5588
    @arohaigatia5588 Місяць тому +2

    Regarding those who travelled on ships or barges such as the Jaredites and Nephites, given they were traveling some distance, its feasible there were dedicated places on these ships for temple ordinances. After all, Moses tabernacle was portable, so why not a temple ship too? Even with the expansion of temple building on land, temple ships are another way to get more ordinances to a broader reach of people. The ship could be its own stake, as some have already suggested.

  • @oldgranny410
    @oldgranny410 Місяць тому +4

    They have swimming pools on ships. Why not a font? But it seems the primary purpose for the ship was for personal ordinances, not proxy, so a font would not be needed.

  • @cindyandersen943
    @cindyandersen943 Місяць тому +1

    I was told by a bishopric member just a few months ago that the church DOES have a temple ship. Hmmm, 🤔

  • @marketingunscrambled
    @marketingunscrambled Місяць тому +5

    It could be something that is in use after Christ comes.

  • @janetcarlson4923
    @janetcarlson4923 Місяць тому +6

    Att a temple devotional, the 70 assigned told us there were 500 members holding recommends in Pakastan. They had to fly to Hong Kong but now could go to India. Still expensive. How about a temple jet? That too would have problems. The simplest solution could be like when a temple is dedicated, members go to a stake center and it is treated like the temple. Is there a way to do a temporary dedication of a church building for 1 or 2 days? And announce it a year in advance to members? I don't know about other counties but most stake centers in the US have baptismal fonts so why not?

    • @CatchTheBuzz1
      @CatchTheBuzz1 Місяць тому +2

      A part of a building could be dedicated for temple use

  • @douglasnielson8250
    @douglasnielson8250 Місяць тому +1

    The Missouri River was a rough stretch of water in the 19th century. It was known for strong currents, sandbars and snags. You know it’s rough going when you have trouble navigating in a canoe. They had what were called Montana boats. They were steam powered river boats and if you could get from St Louis to Great Falls and deliver a boat load of cargo, you could not only pay for the whole boat but make a nice profit. Many boats sank or got stuck.

  • @pattibench4192
    @pattibench4192 Місяць тому +5

    It’s interesting what you are reading about the waters being cursed - the past week I felt prompted to keep an eye on News about the susquehanna river - where Joseph Smith and early church members were baptized.
    - just recently, they had a major sewer leak, and they’ve also found bodies in the river.
    - not sure if anything more might happen - but that’s a bit disturbing if you plan to visit there.
    - just think it’s interesting

    • @CatchTheBuzz1
      @CatchTheBuzz1 Місяць тому

      Very sad about the river. Great thoughts

  • @l.chrisjones7775
    @l.chrisjones7775 Місяць тому +2

    Cruise ships have swimming pools, why couldn't a temple ship have a batismal font? Unless the temple ship would be like the Endowment House and used for living ordinances only.

  • @tonyclark2262
    @tonyclark2262 Місяць тому

    I wish Temples had a study area. Where you could study the scriptures in the Temple and even discuss with other members.

  • @manderson4803
    @manderson4803 Місяць тому +3

    How interesting. Just like Hubbard from Scientology. Its. Great way to get around government regulation. So smart!

  • @RestoredGospelofChrist
    @RestoredGospelofChrist Місяць тому +1

    Temple ships (including submarines, which are survivable as they can submerge during storms) can definitely have baptismal fonts, and every other accommodation for proxy ordinances. Cursed waters should not be a concern if the ships upon the waters are consecrated as temples. Do we think God cannot protect a temple ship? In these same warnings, God said that only the faithful can go upon the waters. Well, there is the answer to the whole concern. It even favors the faithful Saints, as they will be the only ones who can go safely upon the waters. That means no fear of pirates or warships threatening them.

  • @cindlou7335
    @cindlou7335 Місяць тому +7

    I heard this was a more recent idea...maybe it will happen during the millennium when it's more peaceful.

  • @bobwerner6512
    @bobwerner6512 Місяць тому +5

    The CANADIAN flag We are always Friendly LOL

  • @lunchplateboy
    @lunchplateboy Місяць тому +1

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the church already has a few portable temples.

  • @Thehaystack7999
    @Thehaystack7999 Місяць тому +2

    With how temple rooms are being prefabricated, it makes sense that similar structures could be placed on ships and be interchangeable and would serve as an Ark. I would get a job on one of those ships as soon as was possible.
    And for stakes to arrange Buses to transport wards and stakes for assigned times and days. It would be amazing

    • @jum5238
      @jum5238 Місяць тому

      Wouldn't there be a need for a passport to go on a foreign flagged ship? It would also be hard to secure a ship against anti-LDS/Christian terrorists. And I wonder if we'd have to let the country's leaders get a tour, or as they do in China, have spies in the meetings to ensure that subversive activities aren't being taught/organized. Would that require a re-dedication after each such instance?

    • @Thehaystack7999
      @Thehaystack7999 Місяць тому

      @@jum5238 yeah, we’d have to become an international nation in a day.

  • @dansego345
    @dansego345 Місяць тому +2

    So neat

  • @denisebagley2342
    @denisebagley2342 Місяць тому +3

    I have had some personal experiences about temples and ships

  • @alainalight7093
    @alainalight7093 Місяць тому +2

    Reminds me of Noah’s ark. It was designed as a temple (LDS Living, 2018).

  • @scubed8671
    @scubed8671 Місяць тому +1

    I’m sure Father Abraham had some sort of “temple”, in other words, some sort of INSTRUCTION on Christ, the Creation we just do not currently have a record of it. It in impossible for me to fathom that Father Abraham did not have a temple bc we know he received more instructions than we do (ref. facsimiles). Abraham also made sacrifices, including almost Isaac, thus he had altars (? maybe even the rock in the dome of the rock 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️.

  • @Jan-qv8ku
    @Jan-qv8ku Місяць тому +1

    A temple ship is a genius idea and costs less to run than a land temple.
    It would take a lot of people to run it.
    It could be its own stake!
    I think people would be Jumping at the chance to do a temple ship mission!
    The pure in heart are safe on the waters.
    The saints and the church properties are in the hands of God.
    Heavenly Father protects the temples wherever they are! And He can protect them from Everything! 💛💛💛💛💛💛💛
    Nevertheless, if Christ wanted it done it would’ve been🤷‍♀️
    That would’ve been really cool though, and I’m sure people would rather wait a year until the next visit rather than wait 40 or more years.

  • @i2rtw
    @i2rtw Місяць тому +1

    The ai generated pictures you use in your thumbnails are, sometimes, quite the visual treat!

  • @kelsidenae
    @kelsidenae Місяць тому +3

    I shared a copy of the Book of Mormon!

  • @GldnClaw
    @GldnClaw Місяць тому +3

    Jared, Would you be willing to talk with Cardon & Co. over at Ward Radio about this?

  • @denisebagley2342
    @denisebagley2342 Місяць тому +3

    They have humanitarian ships

  • @nate2797
    @nate2797 Місяць тому

    I would love seeing him on ward radio. There are a lot of fun topics that could be discussed.

    • @jum5238
      @jum5238 Місяць тому +1

      I gave up watching that channel. An issue with personalities, and the way in which topics are talked about. If I really felt the need to go there, I'd read the comments and leave.

  • @skisk8ride19
    @skisk8ride19 Місяць тому

    You should look into the connection of John being the destroyer and the initiatory. I think there is a great misconception of who the destroyer is and improper fear of him. After all the destroying angel that was sent forth at the time of Moses came from your Heavenly Father.

  • @stevewesthoff-zb3ny
    @stevewesthoff-zb3ny Місяць тому

    The idea for a temple ship is in David O McKay s biography

  • @kathrync829
    @kathrync829 Місяць тому

    I remember hearing someone, about 40 years ago, suggested a jet temple but he said they shot down his idea. I don't remember who it was, though.
    Maybe they could sail under the "Kingdom of God" flag?

  • @Thehaystack7999
    @Thehaystack7999 Місяць тому

    These days we could have a ship off the coast of every nation, and sail the Zion Flag.

  • @bobwerner6512
    @bobwerner6512 Місяць тому

    We have a building In Nelson BC that needs to be a Temple

  • @Borkybaby
    @Borkybaby Місяць тому +1

    A temple on a ship?!? Sign me up hahaha. My tithing could go to that hhahaha that would be sick hahahah. Only if we do a super sick yacht and just give the world more reasons to complain about us 😂😂😂😂

    • @jum5238
      @jum5238 Місяць тому

      Especially when they find out there's no buffet line there for temple goers. Just for the crew and traveling volunteers.

  • @c.l.888
    @c.l.888 Місяць тому

    I’m glad they didn’t do it. We would have been compared to the Christian scientists and their ship.

  • @dkhealing5665
    @dkhealing5665 Місяць тому

    Thats going to be weird! Fun but a bad idea

  • @johnharvey4448
    @johnharvey4448 Місяць тому

    You mention Adam & Eve had access to a temple in Adam Ondi Ahman. How come the rest of the world says the garden of eden was in Africa ?

  • @getkraken8064
    @getkraken8064 Місяць тому

    No concern about the great earthquake when Jesus returns that will level mountains?

  • @EdWilsonPhoto
    @EdWilsonPhoto Місяць тому +1

    in retrospect...this is a very stupid idea.