Hi all! Stats: Ride time: 4 hours 41 mins. Elevation: 2100ft. Quite a flat ride no huge hills! How’s everyone doing? What kinda range you all getting from your ebikes? Let me know below 🤘
Ian Straughier hi Ian. The BMS inside the batteries are designed to protect the cells from being totally depleted. So not a issue running to empty, just don’t leave it in a discharged state for too long. Ideally, top back up to around 60% if it’s going to be a while until next ride. I never bother with that ideal stuff. I just charge and ride!
BTW I spent a whole day last year in Afan Forest on a demo Scott Genius with the Bosch Gen 4 system 625 Wh battery and only used 1 bar of battery in ECO mode. Still gave me loads of assistance up some very steep technical climbs.
Just got my 2020 Turbo Levo Expert Carbon last Friday. Did already more then 100 miles with it. Longest ride on trail setting was 37 miles with 4000ft of elevation. Conditions where very muddy and wet. Loved every bit of it. Cheers from Germany
In Canadian Winter so far (-10C to -25C with +20kph to 45kph winds +10cm to 30cm of snow) on my Turbo Levo S-Works FSR I travel 25kms to work and back home, using the trail mode with 50% suppport/75% peak power/100% acceleration response/6% shuttle tunes, with a borderline weight of 120kgs (full gear+backpack) using close to 30-35% battery everyday so it last me 3 days for a run of 75kms total (46miles)...summer is different, like 1km per 1%Wh or so (90-100kms)...only red lights kill my battery life while waiting more than winter itself
After watching your videos Rob , i bought here in Canada a TREK Powerfly 5 hardtail to trail rides...I'm 68 years young and love the outdoors..Thank you for your great videos!! Cheers
My longest ride so far on my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo Comp is 61.85km 1,311m elevation 3hrs 45mins. I used a mixture of Eco at 20% & Trail at 35%. I'm unfortunately 112kg at the moment 😭 I was aiming for 70km but unfortunately the motor died!! Luckily she was under warranty. She's got a new motor now & I'm ready to tackle my goal again 😎
It may not have been a "scientific" test, but it is certainly an excellent real world example under less than ideal conditions. Rob, you mentioned that it was your hope that you inspire people to get out and ride. I have owned a traditional mountain bike and while I do enjoy it, the effort required would often limit my range and scope of terrain. Your videos convinced me to invest in an ebike as an early Christmas gift to myself. Long story short, I ended up buying TWO ebikes! A Commencal full suspension and a Commencal hardtail. I just turned 64 years old. These bikes have effectively erased the earlier limitations of riding my traditional bike. It feels like I'm thirty years old again! It's about as much fun as a man can have with his pants on. Cheers!
Took my 2020 levo with 500wh battery out on Sunday, done around 35 miles in all three settings and got home with 28% battery, the range is brilliant on the levo
Interesting test Rob. On my 2019 Levo with a 500w battery I am getting around 30 miles using a mix of modes (all default settings) dependent on terrain. With the kit I normally carry the total rider weight is around the 105kg mark and I am running Eddy Current 29x2.6 front and rear.
Im so inspired to get out there and shred, love your channel and then I began to notice I actually recognise the places. Seeing my local playground in your videos gives me even more reason to watch your chanel. So less Scotland and Bike park Wales and more Ceasars camp, 4a jumps, Minley woods etc. As a kid a I cycled across a frozen Hawley lake. Just love Hawley/Minley woods still finding new spots there after 40 years of mucking around that area. Got my first ebike on order set to arrive on my 57th Birthday this Aug. Literally counting the days now. As ive not been able to MTB for over a year now after getting my MTB stolen.
Hey Rob Rides Emtb! My bike is even less efficient than yours with 4 inch tires at 5 psi so I got 28.6 km from my 500 wh battery in Emtb and turbo modes when I tried to wear the battery down completely! The ride before that was the one of the best I've ever had because I was riding through 40 cm lite powder snow! It was extremely rare snow for Vancouver area because we usually get wet sloppy snow that is very heavy! I only did 7.4 km because of the snow resistance was maxed out but my fun level was also maxed! Good to see you out on your kenevo so keep these great vids coming! Ride ride ride!
I bought the first gen Kenevo with the 460wh battery. Drove it home from the shop 118km in about 5.5hours over roads, trails and through the woods. 1100m of elevation up and down again. Battery had 74%. It died around 5km before arriving home. then i bought a gen2 kenevo with 504wh, it rides much better with the marzocchi bomber fork and air damper, longer wheelbase, but the engine uses more power (old one was specialized 1.2e) and the most i get with both bikes is around 25km distance with 1400m elevation. then the battery is empty. Now i will get the new one with a 700wh battery and check again.
You do inspire me to want to get out and ride so for that, thank you. I recently purchased a Juiced Cross Current X and rode it for the first time today. I don't think I'll be doing rides like you do but I am super excited to get the exercise and it's been years since I've ridden and I have the old fire back. I'm 73 and I just want to build up and get outside. Thanks for the video.
One and a half miles per amp hour of battery. Totally normal. You will get noticeably more in the summer months for sure. Thanks for the honest test. People expect far too much from the batteries on these bikes.
I have a 2019 turbo levo with a 500watt battery, I upgraded the suspension to 2020 fox factory forks and shock, and Maxxis Minion DH tires. 90% of my riding is 25% of eco mode because I want to sweat and get in shape. I have more range than I will ever need ( about 40 miles in winter ) I noticed a 15% reduction in range with the Maxxis DH compared to the factory tires. I'm an old man at 71years old. Love your channel! It has helped me a great deal. Thank you very much! ( I know that my bike is way more than I need or can handle but it's so much fun!
Try pedaling around home with motor off and try different tyre pressures, My wifes bike needed a psi reduction to be easier to peddle so the knobs wernt so evil , it was weird but saved a bit of batterv. I run dhr2 front and rear and its worth the penalty , i also found dhr2 easier to push than dhf
It doesn't matter where you live in Britain, you're always not more than 2 miles from decent off road bike trails. You def inspire more of us to get away from ths telly and out there. So, thanks!
Hi rob l, loving your videos am so exited me and my dad have 2 emtbs on their way the turbo levo comp for me and the turbo levo expert carbon for my dad. Im currently in a cast with 8 days to go after breaking my leg in an atv accendent so the bikes are something to look forward to. Just wanted to say i did majority of research on your channel and i found it excellent considering that i came from not knowing anything about them. You gave all the info me and my dad needed and found that you were the best out of all the review channels. Keep up the good work👍
Ahh man bet you can’t wait to get that cast off! Hope your all healed and ready to rip on your new bikes! Thanks for stopping by, glad you like the channel and hope you and your dad enjoy the new bikes 🤘🤘
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks so much rob just found out today the date got pushed forward so only 4 more days😆 so its going to be perfect timing to get some riding in for when they turn up👌
Loved this test! People are always asking for videos like this, now I know where to send em! When it comes to range, it's the one time I'm suddenly stoked to be small. How's the Kenevo Expert? We still can't get our hands on them stateside. Cheers man, would love to connect at Sea Otter if you're coming this year!
The other day i did a 60km ride with 1100m of elevation and ended up with 2 bars left after the ride. I also ride the 2020 kenevo expert and i'm almost 90kg with all my gear. During the ride i alternated with all modes, but most of it was using eco at 20% assistance. The bike can take a really long ride super well, and in good conditions, i think it would handle 80km of riding (at least with my experience).
Getting about 30 miles of range on my 2019 Levo Comp Carbon riding in the currently quite damp Surrey Hills. Using mostly Eco & Trail with 15/35/65 assistance levels. Running out of time before battery and I ride as fast as I can on the twisty bits. I’m about 77kg’s ready to ride.
Wow that sunset!!! Thanks for another fun video Rob. To answer your question: I don't have an ebike, but have had a 2020 Giant Stance E+ to demo for a week and I was able to achieve 86km(30% remaining) whilst using it on eco and turning the motor off completely on flat roads. On this day we were out on a medium pace ride with an avg of 21.2km/h. I must also add that I was able to help the people out when they were fatigued on the uphills. Ebikes are so much fun!!
Another great video Rob - I weigh 96kg and I carry a lot of camera gear on my backpack so total weight must be about 105kg. On my Bosch-Gen3-powered Trek Powerfly 7 FS using mixed modes (Eco: 50%, EMTB: 40%, Turbo: 10%) on my 500Wh battery I get between 50-70km (30 to 45 miles)
@@RobRidesEMTB A "typical" group ride (we do these every weekend) would be 35-50km with a climb of between 600-900m where I would typically have 20-25% left in the battery. Please bear in mind that our groups are "mixed" (analogue and e-mtb) so our pace is quite slow hence the high percentage of Eco which might affect my figures and give you a slightly exaggerated numbers... The only time I ran out of juice on my bike I had done about 45km and 1200m climb and it was a pacy ride as we all had e-bikes..
I tested my Mondraker Crusher in Wellington NZ last week. Mostly trail with some eco to get home. 500Wh battery gave me 34km and 1,500m of climbing/descending. 2.8 tyres with 17psi, 72kg rider. Great videos - and like watching your winter conditions when its summer here!
Robb - love your content! and yes absolutely you have inspired me to get out there and ride as much as possible in our rocky local mountains [NY Catskills] on my hard tail ebike - and now on zwift with an old roadie. Keep up the great work and thank you!
Specialized StumpJumper Full Suspension mid drive conversion Bafang BBSHD 150N*m, 1500W 52V, 18A*hr, 936 Whr 72 miles 4,200 ft elevation 6 hours ride time 40% single track, 20% gravel, 40% road (I ride to and from the single track) Yes, it has a throttle; and, yes it goes faster than 20 mph; and, yes I use the throttle, with pedaling, on the single track, sooooo fun. I use the throttle like an instantaneous variable pedal assist level device The difference: Luna batteries using the latest Tesla Panasonic battery cells and the incredible efficient and powerful Bafang BBSHD
Hi Rob - I'm amazed you got so little mileage out of your 700Wh battery. My 2018 Turbo Levo with 504Wh battery - The maximum mileage I have got out of a full battery was 54 miles, OK so I was in Eco most of the time and only went to Turbo for some inclines but 2 years on I am getting easily 26 miles and that's with the setting on Trail all the time. ! do this kind of ride nearly every day or so...
Hi. I ride a 2019 kenevo comp with 460 battery. I regularly go to Sherwood pines and ride the red route. I do 3 laps and a bit of the bike park. This is about 30-35 miles in total. I always ride in turbo mode going for the best lap time. I go home with about 20% battery left.
I'm always impressed by this piece of tech. I really wish more companies would try and implement something like it. I'm sure it wasn't easy to design, but damn is it helpful when customers ask.
Good video Rob it's all useful information and there are lots of variables as you say. I've done the exact same thing with MY 2020 Kenevo comp when I first got it around Mallards at the FOD. If you fancy a day at the FOD riding the off piste stuff give me a shout happy to show you the local stuff. As a general rule with batteries high temperatures give increased performance but reduced service life, low temperatures give reduced performance but increase service life.
Rob can't agree with you more about phones, I love hard core trails but the best chilled ride for me is putting the Ebike into eco mode and doing miles of canal paths, just chilling and seeing loads of nature.....Oh and a few stops along the way at canal side pubs! I'm going to try and do the Leeds and Liverpool canal in a day this year 127 miles. Tried it last year and my left pedal sheered off around 65 mile in! Also in need the right day, if it's too nice a day threes just too many people walking.
Hi Rob.. interesting vid really.. like you said everyone ones stats will be different but I think it opens that window to someone like me who's thinking of getting a emtb & is probably one of the first questions asked.. cheers Rich! 👍
Specialized products are great. However, a couple glaring issues for me: 1st is at this crazy high car price and its still aluminum!!!! It should be carbon and have top of the line components for that ridiculous price. 2nd. FSR linkage is like 30 year old suspension design. Its ok but basic vs. VPP and DW link. Now others may disagree or not care about how plush an ebike is but to me suspension is still the heart of a mountain bike, not how powerful the motor is. Sure the motor on the Spec is very well developed, but like many of the other ebikes, very little attention to the suspension is made. Getting to the top is great with an ebike. But the ride quality down on technical trails is what to me really makes a great mountain bike.
just recently discovered cycling and touring, so at 42 im looking now to get a bike and go explore. quitting smoking as well. think it defeats my purpose to get out ,healthy but some which as odd as it sounds the smell and habit is disgusting not to mention the health issue one encounters. but cheers and thanks.
Great idea! I think it will be helpful to ride at different popular places people ride, like Chicksands and see how many descents in one charge, or if it is enough battery for full or half red at Dalby forest, etc.
Note to yourself, always wise to.put some lights in your backpack, you're only fuelling motorists disliking for cyclists no matter the discipline by ignoring your own safety, other than that, top content as always.
2020 Kenovo expert 15.8 miles today heavy mud run in trail mode battery died 20 foot from my house, low tire pressures heavy rain mud sleet and used boost for a mile on hard climbs as spinning up as very muddy.
Not a battery expert but my Tesla will loose around 20-25%range at 6c degrees, compared to temperatures above 15c. It’s kind of shocking the difference it makes.
I own a scott e spark with e8000 and 500wh battery and get little over 1600meters/1mile of elevation in 42kms/26miles in around 2,3hs at ~18kph/11mph with around 95 kilos bike+rider. Greets from the southern black forest
Went out Sunday (Levo 2019 500Wh) on the Downs Link - 35 miles and 52% battery used, mostly in Eco but also 14 miles in Off. Total ride time 3 hours 18 min (13 stone plus Camelpak and a few tools) forgot also have the Lupine SLSF light on for the whole ride.
That's some serious discipline right there! I always tell myself I'm going to try and do a few miles with the motor off, but inevitably turn it back onto Eco 😂
Thanks :) Some of the guys I ride with have standard MTB's so its good to cycle with them without assist - although when the hills get in the way I do go back to Eco
28 miles is plenty to have fun on, actually 20 miles is plenty for my local trails here at home. Awesome video again I need to see how far a Decoy can go on eco mode 🍻
Was there something wrong with the bike or battery? My E genius 700 tuned 500w will do 57 miles mix of road and trails (28 miles of serious tails 2x full laps of Gizburn Forrest) My cube reaction 500w hard tail with hope hoops, and thunder Burt tyres has done 91 miles and that still was not flat. with 700W and the type of trails it should have given you at least 40 miles.
The Specialized calculator comes up with 63km (39 Miles) for your height/weight and power setting, but allows for half as much again height than you did. So allowing for all of the conditions on your ride I'd say its not far off.
I like the Kenevo but prefer my Decoy but that's just me - different bike anyways! After about 40km with lots of steep climbs and 50/50 Trial and Boost mode i usually still have >=40% left in my battery 🤘
Does not seem a lot for a 700w/h battery Rob. I reckon the range on my my19 Levo on single track using mostly trail (50% assist) is c 30 to 35 miles. I am 78kg and the bike/tyres are stock. So is the Kenevo generally that much more demanding on battery?
Hello Rob, love the channel btw. I live 10 mins from swinley if u need an e bike friend 😊! is that bike derestricted? I just brought a Trek Powerfly 9.9 which I love, but the whole restricted to 25kms is starting to f&)k me off. There seems to be a lot resistance in the motor making it a lot of effort to peddle on flattish trails over 25kms? I hear you can derestrict motors but the newer Bosch motors are really hard to do? If you don’t ride it on a road I don’t see a problem. What are your views on this? I’m guessing you have to be careful on this subject 😬 Cheers Adam
Nice one Rob. Love the bigger batteries, we need them sometimes! FYI: I have a 2019 Levo Expert with the 700wh battery and most of time I'm running in Eco (SUP30 PP60) and on an XC ride (same areas as your vid) it gets me around 48miles, my riding weight is 93kg and running 2.6 Magic Mary's F&R
Thanks to your video's I've ordered my first ebike. Can't wait. Just a quick question have you fitted the 36t hope chainring to the Kenevo like you did on the levo. Great video keep them coming. 👍
@@RobRidesEMTB it going to be about 4 to 6 weeks I want to support my local bike shop so don't mind waiting for a bit. 2020 turbo levo comp in black. I'll be straight to Macclesfield forest on it
Great video would love to have this bike :) what else is good to take with you while on an ebike outing is a drone m8, ebike is great therapy and even better for thoughs who have asthma ect.
i am 300 pounds, i had a ride on the 2019 model on turbo and it is such a fun ride, can make a steep climb feel like a straight, and a straight like a steep decent. i would get it if it wasn't that expensive (also taking into consideration maintenance )
ahhhh who cares about miles/km. just get out and enjoy yer leccy bikes 😜You certainly looked like you were enjoying yersen Rob...But whooaww those cold looking hands mate 🥶
Loving the videos Rob. Would you say the kenevo would ok for an everyday bike? My local trails are Cannock chase which would be done weekly and as often as possible bike parks would be ridden.. I would also like to use it occasionally to do the 10mile commute to work. Cheers. Dan
Great stuff as always Rob! I have a dilemma though. Got an option at a 2020 Kenevo (next available) or a 2020 Levo Comp 700wh for about 17% off. I know the Kenevo would be perfect but that’s a decent discount on a great bike. Which would you choose?
love your channel thanks! I am thinking of buying an ebike, but I haven't seen a video where the bikes are put to the test on uphills. What is your opinion on buying an ebike for this purpose? Will I end up with no battery and carrying that extra weight?
Rode my 2020 Kenovo expert down to 3% and 28miles mostly on eco yesterday and it took 5 1/2 hour to charge to full charge. I noticed you have changed your dropper post is that because the std dropper is so inconsistent as on my last bike I had the Fox dropper which was great.
hi Rob , can i ask please your opinion as im looking at a first bike - the kenevo though im unsure as apparently there's motor problems .... but my question is , being 90Nm does that drain the battery faster than a 75Nm motor ? would i be correct thinking a 90Nm & 700wh bike might be eqaul to a 75Nm & 500wh bike as far as range ? or no ? thank you if you can help
thanks for the vid - any horror stories on the new 2020 motors? I am about to pull the trigger on one and cannot fork out that kinda cash if I am gonna have the pain of replacing motors
I really need to brave the muddy Winter trails. I assume the same mudguards will probably fit a 29" Turbo Levo hardtail. Which front and rear mudguards did you go for Rob, and how are they holding up?
First time hearing of your channel great vid btw! Is your bike still speed restricted? I can just about eek out 25 miles on my 500wh yamaha haibike with the limiter off!
Hey Rob, good to see you testing the battery capacity as you stated wet condition and cold temp. I have a question in regard battery health, I'm riding a Turbo Levo expert 2018 model with a 504 WH capacity. bought the bike last year in May, I recharged the batter 39 times since may. Now it came to my attention that the mission control app do not show the actual battery health. I started to use the BLEvo app for better control and management. This app showed a % drop of 8% after fully charged compared with the mission control app. I did the same test with on my spare battery bought a couple months later, (July 2019) no issue here both show 100% battery health. What do you use to test this, I'm interested to know. How does your local bike shop test this, I already contacted my local shop here in Brisbane and wait was comes back. What it means to my range that dropped from 504 to 463% capacity = reduced my range to ride. Regards Bisek - Brisbane AU
Hi all! Stats: Ride time: 4 hours 41 mins. Elevation: 2100ft. Quite a flat ride no huge hills! How’s everyone doing? What kinda range you all getting from your ebikes? Let me know below 🤘
Hi Rob good vid does it harm the battery if you let it run totaly down Ian
Ian Straughier hi Ian. The BMS inside the batteries are designed to protect the cells from being totally depleted. So not a issue running to empty, just don’t leave it in a discharged state for too long. Ideally, top back up to around 60% if it’s going to be a while until next ride. I never bother with that ideal stuff. I just charge and ride!
BTW I spent a whole day last year in Afan Forest on a demo Scott Genius with the Bosch Gen 4 system 625 Wh battery and only used 1 bar of battery in ECO mode. Still gave me loads of assistance up some very steep technical climbs.
Just got my 2020 Turbo Levo Expert Carbon last Friday. Did already more then 100 miles with it. Longest ride on trail setting was 37 miles with 4000ft of elevation.
Conditions where very muddy and wet. Loved every bit of it.
Cheers from Germany
In Canadian Winter so far (-10C to -25C with +20kph to 45kph winds +10cm to 30cm of snow) on my Turbo Levo S-Works FSR I travel 25kms to work and back home, using the trail mode with 50% suppport/75% peak power/100% acceleration response/6% shuttle tunes, with a borderline weight of 120kgs (full gear+backpack) using close to 30-35% battery everyday so it last me 3 days for a run of 75kms total (46miles)...summer is different, like 1km per 1%Wh or so (90-100kms)...only red lights kill my battery life while waiting more than winter itself
After watching your videos Rob , i bought here in Canada a TREK Powerfly 5 hardtail to trail rides...I'm 68 years young and love the outdoors..Thank you for your great videos!! Cheers
My longest ride so far on my 2020 Specialized Turbo Levo Comp is 61.85km 1,311m elevation 3hrs 45mins. I used a mixture of Eco at 20% & Trail at 35%. I'm unfortunately 112kg at the moment 😭 I was aiming for 70km but unfortunately the motor died!! Luckily she was under warranty. She's got a new motor now & I'm ready to tackle my goal again 😎
It may not have been a "scientific" test, but it is certainly an excellent real world example under less than ideal conditions. Rob, you mentioned that it was your hope that you inspire people to get out and ride. I have owned a traditional mountain bike and while I do enjoy it, the effort required would often limit my range and scope of terrain. Your videos convinced me to invest in an ebike as an early Christmas gift to myself. Long story short, I ended up buying TWO ebikes! A Commencal full suspension and a Commencal hardtail. I just turned 64 years old. These bikes have effectively erased the earlier limitations of riding my traditional bike. It feels like I'm thirty years old again! It's about as much fun as a man can have with his pants on. Cheers!
I haven’t even got an E Bike and I still like this channel!
Awesome! Thanks for checking out my vids 👍👍
Me too....soon!
Stay away from specialized.... 500km battery and now motor died.
@@maxwelch6855 then just get a new one...
Took my 2020 levo with 500wh battery out on Sunday, done around 35 miles in all three settings and got home with 28% battery, the range is brilliant on the levo
That’s impressive 👊 I agree Levo is an efficient bike (also great fun).
This Channel is mostly reason why I picked the 2020 levo comp over the giant trance e+1 pro and glad I did !
I like your real world non biased opinions and great videos.. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Shayne 👊
Great vid Rob, love the ethos about getting out... So worth the effort to explore and enjoy what's on your doorstep! 👍🏻👍🏻🔥🔥👌🏻👌🏻
Loads out there to explore 👊
Interesting test Rob. On my 2019 Levo with a 500w battery I am getting around 30 miles using a mix of modes (all default settings) dependent on terrain. With the kit I normally carry the total rider weight is around the 105kg mark and I am running Eddy Current 29x2.6 front and rear.
True but unfortunately the best workouts from mountain bikes come from, mountains. The vertical climbing just hits different.
Im so inspired to get out there and shred, love your channel and then I began to notice I actually recognise the places. Seeing my local playground in your videos gives me even more reason to watch your chanel. So less Scotland and Bike park Wales and more Ceasars camp, 4a jumps, Minley woods etc. As a kid a I cycled across a frozen Hawley lake. Just love Hawley/Minley woods still finding new spots there after 40 years of mucking around that area. Got my first ebike on order set to arrive on my 57th Birthday this Aug. Literally counting the days now. As ive not been able to MTB for over a year now after getting my MTB stolen.
Hey Rob Rides Emtb! My bike is even less efficient than yours with 4 inch tires at 5 psi so I got 28.6 km from my 500 wh battery in Emtb and turbo modes when I tried to wear the battery down completely! The ride before that was the one of the best I've ever had because I was riding through 40 cm lite powder snow! It was extremely rare snow for Vancouver area because we usually get wet sloppy snow that is very heavy! I only did 7.4 km because of the snow resistance was maxed out but my fun level was also maxed! Good to see you out on your kenevo so keep these great vids coming! Ride ride ride!
Five PSI!! Man I want to ride e fat bike
Hey Rob Rides Emtb! Be careful Rob! You may want to never go back to puny mortal tires after you do try fat tires!
Haha! Maybe 😆
It could be very interesting if you will repeat the same test with BLEvo and the Smart Power activated. Maybe you can ride more..
I bought the first gen Kenevo with the 460wh battery. Drove it home from the shop 118km in about 5.5hours over roads, trails and through the woods. 1100m of elevation up and down again. Battery had 74%. It died around 5km before arriving home. then i bought a gen2 kenevo with 504wh, it rides much better with the marzocchi bomber fork and air damper, longer wheelbase, but the engine uses more power (old one was specialized 1.2e) and the most i get with both bikes is around 25km distance with 1400m elevation. then the battery is empty. Now i will get the new one with a 700wh battery and check again.
You do inspire me to want to get out and ride so for that, thank you. I recently purchased a Juiced Cross Current X and rode it for the first time today. I don't think I'll be doing rides like you do but I am super excited to get the exercise and it's been years since I've ridden and I have the old fire back. I'm 73 and I just want to build up and get outside. Thanks for the video.
One and a half miles per amp hour of battery. Totally normal. You will get noticeably more in the summer months for sure. Thanks for the honest test. People expect far too much from the batteries on these bikes.
I have a 2019 turbo levo with a 500watt battery, I upgraded the suspension to 2020 fox factory forks and shock, and Maxxis Minion DH tires. 90% of my riding is 25% of eco mode because I want to sweat and get in shape. I have more range than I will ever need ( about 40 miles in winter ) I noticed a 15% reduction in range with the Maxxis DH compared to the factory tires. I'm an old man at 71years old. Love your channel! It has helped me a great deal. Thank you very much! ( I know that my bike is way more than I need or can handle but it's so much fun!
Try pedaling around home with motor off and try different tyre pressures, My wifes bike needed a psi reduction to be easier to peddle so the knobs wernt so evil , it was weird but saved a bit of batterv. I run dhr2 front and rear and its worth the penalty , i also found dhr2 easier to push than dhf
@@CarkeekW Thanks for the helpful suggestion, I will try it out.
It doesn't matter where you live in Britain, you're always not more than 2 miles from decent off road bike trails. You def inspire more of us to get away from ths telly and out there. So, thanks!
Hi rob l, loving your videos am so exited me and my dad have 2 emtbs on their way the turbo levo comp for me and the turbo levo expert carbon for my dad. Im currently in a cast with 8 days to go after breaking my leg in an atv accendent so the bikes are something to look forward to. Just wanted to say i did majority of research on your channel and i found it excellent considering that i came from not knowing anything about them. You gave all the info me and my dad needed and found that you were the best out of all the review channels. Keep up the good work👍
Ahh man bet you can’t wait to get that cast off! Hope your all healed and ready to rip on your new bikes! Thanks for stopping by, glad you like the channel and hope you and your dad enjoy the new bikes 🤘🤘
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks so much rob just found out today the date got pushed forward so only 4 more days😆 so its going to be perfect timing to get some riding in for when they turn up👌
Haha my son and I have same and my buddy and his son too🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Makes you ‘Feel Alive ‘..........Bang on the button Rob 👍
Certainly does right?!
Loved this test! People are always asking for videos like this, now I know where to send em! When it comes to range, it's the one time I'm suddenly stoked to be small. How's the Kenevo Expert? We still can't get our hands on them stateside.
Cheers man, would love to connect at Sea Otter if you're coming this year!
Fly Rides Electric Bikes I’ll be at sea otter! Anybody racing?
Does anybody know when the kenevo’s are available in US?
I got my Kenevo expert in Arizona
@@rhettarten6550 Lucky!
@@blainjohnson1893 Our guy Hector is doing one of the races.
The other day i did a 60km ride with 1100m of elevation and ended up with 2 bars left after the ride. I also ride the 2020 kenevo expert and i'm almost 90kg with all my gear. During the ride i alternated with all modes, but most of it was using eco at 20% assistance.
The bike can take a really long ride super well, and in good conditions, i think it would handle 80km of riding (at least with my experience).
Getting about 30 miles of range on my 2019 Levo Comp Carbon riding in the currently quite damp Surrey Hills. Using mostly Eco & Trail with 15/35/65 assistance levels. Running out of time before battery and I ride as fast as I can on the twisty bits. I’m about 77kg’s ready to ride.
Wow that sunset!!! Thanks for another fun video Rob.
To answer your question: I don't have an ebike, but have had a 2020 Giant Stance E+ to demo for a week and I was able to achieve 86km(30% remaining) whilst using it on eco and turning the motor off completely on flat roads.
On this day we were out on a medium pace ride with an avg of 21.2km/h.
I must also add that I was able to help the people out when they were fatigued on the uphills.
Ebikes are so much fun!!
Thanks for this video! These are my local woods and in looking to buy that bike - very helpful!! 🙂
Another great video Rob - I weigh 96kg and I carry a lot of camera gear on my backpack so total weight must be about 105kg. On my Bosch-Gen3-powered Trek Powerfly 7 FS using mixed modes (Eco: 50%, EMTB: 40%, Turbo: 10%) on my 500Wh battery I get between 50-70km (30 to 45 miles)
Thanks Alexis. You’re range is quite impressive! Any idea of how much climbing that includes?
@@RobRidesEMTB A "typical" group ride (we do these every weekend) would be 35-50km with a climb of between 600-900m where I would typically have 20-25% left in the battery. Please bear in mind that our groups are "mixed" (analogue and e-mtb) so our pace is quite slow hence the high percentage of Eco which might affect my figures and give you a slightly exaggerated numbers... The only time I ran out of juice on my bike I had done about 45km and 1200m climb and it was a pacy ride as we all had e-bikes..
I tested my Mondraker Crusher in Wellington NZ last week. Mostly trail with some eco to get home. 500Wh battery gave me 34km and 1,500m of climbing/descending. 2.8 tyres with 17psi, 72kg rider. Great videos - and like watching your winter conditions when its summer here!
Great video Rob! What no GLOVES!!! 🙈😂
Easier to operate the cameras!
Robb - love your content! and yes absolutely you have inspired me to get out there and ride as much as possible in our rocky local mountains [NY Catskills] on my hard tail ebike - and now on zwift with an old roadie. Keep up the great work and thank you!
59.6KMS cold day varied between Turbo and Trail finished ride with about 7%. Just love this bike.
Specialized StumpJumper Full Suspension mid drive conversion
Bafang BBSHD 150N*m, 1500W
52V, 18A*hr, 936 Whr
72 miles
4,200 ft elevation
6 hours ride time
40% single track, 20% gravel, 40% road (I ride to and from the single track)
Yes, it has a throttle; and, yes it goes faster than 20 mph; and, yes I use the throttle, with pedaling, on the single track, sooooo fun.
I use the throttle like an instantaneous variable pedal assist level device
The difference: Luna batteries using the latest Tesla Panasonic battery cells and the incredible efficient and powerful Bafang BBSHD
Now you need to do it again in both the econo mode and the turbo mode
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Hi Rob - I'm amazed you got so little mileage out of your 700Wh battery. My 2018 Turbo Levo with 504Wh battery - The maximum mileage I have got out of a full battery was 54 miles, OK so I was in Eco most of the time and only went to Turbo for some inclines but 2 years on I am getting easily 26 miles and that's with the setting on Trail all the time. ! do this kind of ride nearly every day or so...
Hi. I ride a 2019 kenevo comp with 460 battery. I regularly go to Sherwood pines and ride the red route. I do 3 laps and a bit of the bike park. This is about 30-35 miles in total. I always ride in turbo mode going for the best lap time. I go home with about 20% battery left.
You genuinely made me order a 21 Scott genius e 5 Stone weight loss goal here we go
Rob your review of this bike makes me wanna go check one out and maybe add to my arsenal. Thanks alot for what you do
Bosch’s range calculator on their site is actually surprisingly accurate.
It’s pretty good isn’t it!
I'm always impressed by this piece of tech. I really wish more companies would try and implement something like it. I'm sure it wasn't easy to design, but damn is it helpful when customers ask.
Well done, everyone hides the low range problem.
Good video Rob it's all useful information and there are lots of variables as you say. I've done the exact same thing with MY 2020 Kenevo comp when I first got it around Mallards at the FOD. If you fancy a day at the FOD riding the off piste stuff give me a shout happy to show you the local stuff.
As a general rule with batteries high temperatures give increased performance but reduced service life, low temperatures give reduced performance but increase service life.
Rob can't agree with you more about phones, I love hard core trails but the best chilled ride for me is putting the Ebike into eco mode and doing miles of canal paths, just chilling and seeing loads of nature.....Oh and a few stops along the way at canal side pubs! I'm going to try and do the Leeds and Liverpool canal in a day this year 127 miles. Tried it last year and my left pedal sheered off around 65 mile in! Also in need the right day, if it's too nice a day threes just too many people walking.
Hi Rob.. interesting vid really.. like you said everyone ones stats will be different but I think it opens that window to someone like me who's thinking of getting a emtb & is probably one of the first questions asked.. cheers Rich! 👍
Specialized products are great. However, a couple glaring issues for me: 1st is at this crazy high car price and its still aluminum!!!! It should be carbon and have top of the line components for that ridiculous price. 2nd. FSR linkage is like 30 year old suspension design. Its ok but basic vs. VPP and DW link. Now others may disagree or not care about how plush an ebike is but to me suspension is still the heart of a mountain bike, not how powerful the motor is. Sure the motor on the Spec is very well developed, but like many of the other ebikes, very little attention to the suspension is made. Getting to the top is great with an ebike. But the ride quality down on technical trails is what to me really makes a great mountain bike.
just recently discovered cycling and touring, so at 42 im looking now to get a bike and go explore. quitting smoking as well. think it defeats my purpose to get out ,healthy but some which as odd as it sounds the smell and habit is disgusting not to mention the health issue one encounters. but cheers and thanks.
Great idea! I think it will be helpful to ride at different popular places people ride, like Chicksands and see how many descents in one charge, or if it is enough battery for full or half red at Dalby forest, etc.
Rob, Like the on screen graphics. Looking professional!
Cheers! Slowly figuring these things out. 👍👍
Thank you Rob. A New find, but instant sub. Keep up the good work, the thorough reviews and your pleasant presenting style. Fair dinkum mate!
Note to yourself, always wise to.put some lights in your backpack, you're only fuelling motorists disliking for cyclists no matter the discipline by ignoring your own safety, other than that, top content as always.
Good point!
Another great video Rob!
Mark Clark thanks Mark hope you enjoyed it!
@@RobRidesEMTB I did! I know you make these vids and just PRAY people like them, but they are good, trust me. :) Also, a sub back would ace :)
2020 Kenovo expert 15.8 miles today heavy mud run in trail mode battery died 20 foot from my house, low tire pressures heavy rain mud sleet and used boost for a mile on hard climbs as spinning up as very muddy.
Awesome video. Thanks for posting this.
Not a battery expert but my Tesla will loose around 20-25%range at 6c degrees, compared to temperatures above 15c. It’s kind of shocking the difference it makes.
32miles on Giant Reign e+ on Eco/Eco+. With 68% battery left.
Thanks, great test review!
Cheers Andrew 👊
I own a scott e spark with e8000 and 500wh battery and get little over 1600meters/1mile of elevation in 42kms/26miles in around 2,3hs at ~18kph/11mph with around 95 kilos bike+rider.
Greets from the southern black forest
Went out Sunday (Levo 2019 500Wh) on the Downs Link - 35 miles and 52% battery used, mostly in Eco but also 14 miles in Off. Total ride time 3 hours 18 min (13 stone plus Camelpak and a few tools) forgot also have the Lupine SLSF light on for the whole ride.
That's some serious discipline right there! I always tell myself I'm going to try and do a few miles with the motor off, but inevitably turn it back onto Eco 😂
Thanks :) Some of the guys I ride with have standard MTB's so its good to cycle with them without assist - although when the hills get in the way I do go back to Eco
28 miles is plenty to have fun on, actually 20 miles is plenty for my local trails here at home. Awesome video again I need to see how far a Decoy can go on eco mode 🍻
Was there something wrong with the bike or battery? My E genius 700 tuned 500w will do 57 miles mix of road and trails (28 miles of serious tails 2x full laps of Gizburn Forrest) My cube reaction 500w hard tail with hope hoops, and thunder Burt tyres has done 91 miles and that still was not flat. with 700W and the type of trails it should have given you at least 40 miles.
I managed to get 63.54Km with 1,399m of climbing on my Kenevo with a 500Wh battery. But had to have the power levels right down
The Specialized calculator comes up with 63km (39 Miles) for your height/weight and power setting, but allows for half as much again height than you did. So allowing for all of the conditions on your ride I'd say its not far off.
I'd love to see a test where all different bikes are hooked up to a motor to really see the difference between them.
42 miles on my Focus, XC stuff. Used to carry a spare battery but don’t bother now. 1200 miles in 5 months. 2.5 Aggressor tyres 378WH
Nice. Super light weight bike that one too!
Rob Rides EMTB Love the bike. Any weather cause the battery can get you out of that empty fuel tank feeling
I like the Kenevo but prefer my Decoy but that's just me - different bike anyways!
After about 40km with lots of steep climbs and 50/50 Trial and Boost mode i usually still have >=40% left in my battery 🤘
Impressive range! The decoy has a good battery, 540 with the 21700 cells 👊
@@RobRidesEMTB it's definately an awesome build - but the stock 700Wh battery on the Kenevo is a beast in size
Hi Rob 2019 levo 500.watt, prob 35 to 40 on trails, most is 58 on road, carrying bout same weight, me eddy Currents don't help I suspect
Does not seem a lot for a 700w/h battery Rob. I reckon the range on my my19 Levo on single track using mostly trail (50% assist) is c 30 to 35 miles. I am 78kg and the bike/tyres are stock. So is the Kenevo generally that much more demanding on battery?
53 km on kenevo 2020 500 battery on commuting trail some hills most bitumen rd flat Tires 2.2 29 front and 27.5 rear 30 psi. Lots of eco peddled.
Jose Castillo cheers for sharing.
Hello Rob,
love the channel btw. I live 10 mins from swinley if u need an e bike friend 😊! is that bike derestricted? I just brought a Trek Powerfly 9.9 which I love, but the whole restricted to 25kms is starting to f&)k me off. There seems to be a lot resistance in the motor making it a lot of effort to peddle on flattish trails over 25kms? I hear you can derestrict motors but the newer Bosch motors are really hard to do? If you don’t ride it on a road I don’t see a problem. What are your views on this? I’m guessing you have to be careful on this subject 😬
Cheers Adam
I kinda envy you, for riding my dream bike, Rob :) But good article, keep up the good job! Greetings from Slovenia. ( I ride Giant e+1 2020)
Thanks for the Test. Interesting would be, how many hight you´ve made.
I'd like to see a turbo range test for let's say a day shuttling downhill runs where you want Max assistance peddling back to the top of a dh run
Nice one Rob. Love the bigger batteries, we need them sometimes!
FYI: I have a 2019 Levo Expert with the 700wh battery and most of time I'm running in Eco (SUP30 PP60) and on an XC ride (same areas as your vid) it gets me around 48miles, my riding weight is 93kg and running 2.6 Magic Mary's F&R
Rad video!
Thanks to your video's I've ordered my first ebike. Can't wait. Just a quick question have you fitted the 36t hope chainring to the Kenevo like you did on the levo. Great video keep them coming. 👍
Hi Andrew. Awesome! Yea got the 36t 👍👍
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks. Keep up the great work. 👍
Andrew Price cheers! When do you receive the bike?
@@RobRidesEMTB it going to be about 4 to 6 weeks I want to support my local bike shop so don't mind waiting for a bit. 2020 turbo levo comp in black. I'll be straight to
Macclesfield forest on it
Hi, I have done 33km with 1230m elevation. I have a Focus Sam2, 378w battery, mode 80%eco 20% trail.
Great video would love to have this bike :) what else is good to take with you while on an ebike outing is a drone m8, ebike is great therapy and even better for thoughs who have asthma ect.
It would be interesting if you test again same bike route and weight in the summer (warmer weather)
That is around the range I average on my Bafang BBSHD at 56v with a Ludicrous controller (2500w ish). Using a Luna Wolf pack battery
i am 300 pounds, i had a ride on the 2019 model on turbo and it is such a fun ride, can make a steep climb feel like a straight, and a straight like a steep decent.
i would get it if it wasn't that expensive (also taking into consideration maintenance )
Great vid Rob, Any chance you will be reviewing the Whyte E150 s or rs? I think its going to be my next bike and would really value an honest review.
I weigh about 85 kilos so, 28 miles on the trail isn’t bad. Trail riding eats up battery power
ahhhh who cares about miles/km. just get out and enjoy yer leccy bikes 😜You certainly looked like you were enjoying yersen Rob...But whooaww those cold looking hands mate 🥶
Loving the videos Rob. Would you say the kenevo would ok for an everyday bike? My local trails are Cannock chase which would be done weekly and as often as possible bike parks would be ridden.. I would also like to use it occasionally to do the 10mile commute to work. Cheers. Dan
Great stuff as always Rob! I have a dilemma though. Got an option at a 2020 Kenevo (next available) or a 2020 Levo Comp 700wh for about 17% off. I know the Kenevo would be perfect but that’s a decent discount on a great bike. Which would you choose?
Nice work Rob.
Thanks man!
Get yourself a good smartphone mount Rob ;-) Spigen MF100 is perfect!
Good video!
Cool, i love my KENEVO!
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Great vid again Rob,Q: Can a 29'er be fitted to the Boxxer? Cheers
For me, it is the vertical that matters most. Can it go 4,000 ft or 5,000 ft in 30 miles? I suspect it will not.
love your channel thanks! I am thinking of buying an ebike, but I haven't seen a video where the bikes are put to the test on uphills. What is your opinion on buying an ebike for this purpose? Will I end up with no battery and carrying that extra weight?
I just wish I could afford an eBike
Afterpay for Generation Now
Rode my 2020 Kenovo expert down to 3% and 28miles mostly on eco yesterday and it took 5 1/2 hour to charge to full charge. I noticed you have changed your dropper post is that because the std dropper is so inconsistent as on my last bike I had the Fox dropper which was great.
Hi Rob who makes those sunglasses/eye protectors ?
hi Rob , can i ask please your opinion as im looking at a first bike - the kenevo though im unsure as apparently there's motor problems .... but my question is , being 90Nm does that drain the battery faster than a 75Nm motor ? would i be correct thinking a 90Nm & 700wh bike might be eqaul to a 75Nm & 500wh bike as far as range ? or no ? thank you if you can help
THANK YOU I am buying one my kids can have my Haibike.
thanks for the vid - any horror stories on the new 2020 motors? I am about to pull the trigger on one and cannot fork out that kinda cash if I am gonna have the pain of replacing motors
The camera angle is funny. Looks like there are rubber arms hanging from the handlebars on both sides ;-)
But I love your videos. Keep up the good work. Greetings from the currently sunny and (for this season too dry) Bavaria.
I do have rubbery arms 😁
Cheers bro!!
I really need to brave the muddy Winter trails. I assume the same mudguards will probably fit a 29" Turbo Levo hardtail. Which front and rear mudguards did you go for Rob, and how are they holding up?
First time hearing of your channel great vid btw! Is your bike still speed restricted? I can just about eek out 25 miles on my 500wh yamaha haibike with the limiter off!
how do these cope with big mountain rides like Snowdon ? enough battery to last all the way up without pushing up the steep bits
Hey Rob, good to see you testing the battery capacity as you stated wet condition and cold temp. I have a question in regard battery health, I'm riding a Turbo Levo expert 2018 model with a 504 WH capacity. bought the bike last year in May, I recharged the batter 39 times since may. Now it came to my attention that the mission control app do not show the actual battery health. I started to use the BLEvo app for better control and management. This app showed a % drop of 8% after fully charged compared with the mission control app.
I did the same test with on my spare battery bought a couple months later, (July 2019) no issue here both show 100% battery health. What do you use to test this, I'm interested to know. How does your local bike shop test this, I already contacted my local shop here in Brisbane and wait was comes back. What it means to my range that dropped from 504 to 463% capacity = reduced my range to ride.
Regards
Bisek - Brisbane AU
Which glasses are those? You should take your bike to Tromsø, lots of good trails around here! 🏔
Cheers! They are 100 Percent S3 👍