EPISODE 12 - The Death of Kuznetsov (Part 2)
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2022
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Thank you. This is a story that can never be told again ......... I hope future generations understand that we Canadians are still capable of great things.
Always will wonder what a formidable team the Arrow and TSR2 would have made, 2 aircraft killed off by political pressures and incompetent prime ministers ( incompetent is polite by the way the other work I could have used was treacherous)
Great work thanks for the series
I think the biggest hurt was that the replacement(s) for the Arrow were crap. The Voodoos, F-5’s, Starfighters, and (ugh) BOMARCS were never really up to the job.
Thanks for the story. I am 60 years old and although the plane was already destroyed records of it still where around in magizines along with plans and pictures. In high school my drafting teacher was a draftsman at Avro at the time was areo being worked on. At the time I lived in Brampton (bramalea to me still). Although not an airplane in it inspired me to build and design. I build a large number of recumbent bikes and a book I wrote ended up at calpoly being used by teacher there for his fourth year engineering students as a reference for doing basic design setup of a recumbent bike while his book got into the details of the handling section of the design. The students built recumbent bikes as a hands on project in there 4th year to gain a better way of seeing practical hands on building projects. I am glad be a part of this back in 2002. Without knowing about this great plane and the company I might not have done my project. One bike is a recumbent that when taken apart fits into a goalie sized hockey bag for travelling on trains where luggage cars are not there. It went from Glencoe to Ottawa and back in 1997 on VIA rail. I even saw person there that worked on the arrow (he is pictures in a at the museum working the ejection set on assembly line. I told the story I wrote here and got a smile. There are people that have gone on to great things knowing about this project.
Hi Steve, Very nice story. Thank you for the comment.....regards....Virtual
@@vectorworksnurbsmodelling6049 i forgot to say the name of the bike. It called the Mini Max. It means mini size and maximum usage. Another note is that when i did a second edition the teacher wrote a forward to the book. A nice touch and a show of respect to me.
Every great adventure ends with tears, either sadness or joy. Thank you, what this story tells is not so far from what I am seeing around the World. Best Wishes from CNE-4.
Hi John....Thank you for the nice comment. It does seem eerily similar to the world we are now living in today. Kind regards to you.....Virtual
Loved every episode! I always wished the arrow program was never scraped in the first place and always hope there was a jet intact still out there somewhere. These episodes really kept me wanting more and to find out how it all come together, which you have done a bang up job sir. I also have to give you props not only for this series but the dedication it takes to complete such an endeavor such as this.
Thank you
- Mitch
Hi MBN...Thank you, I appreciate the comment....regards....Virtual
Thank you for finishing the journey, I'm glad I was a part it.
Thank your for being part of it....regards...Virtual
well I AINT 70 ... and be dang certain I wont let the pride of Canadian Engineering fade ... currently I have 75% of the arrow modeled and am waiting on a new computer and UPS to run a long set of virtual stress test for a 6foot long flyable RC ... and have plans set ready for a larger version upwards of a 10 foot wingspan ... and yes as the testing of the smaller one progresses I will be updating the plans to bring the Generation2 and 5 hybrid of the Arrow upto a Generation 6 ... atm my only stumbling block is making an RC turbine that is long and narrow like the iroquois for the 6footer ... the math for the design of that one is only about 12 feet long PER pass ... the larger one is a little easier as size helps keep things in a better range ... and yes the bigger one will be mostly composites ... (except the engines and a few other bits) ... and once those are being worked on I will see what I can do about making one as close to the original that is manned ... and full scale ... and NO I wont be designing them with American ordnance in mind ... airsoft and or paintballs and water balloons perhaps for the RC ones ... the full size one ... perhaps as a tanker .... and airshow version
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Gen 2-5 hybrid you question ... since we DONT have the exact same lower quality materials of the 50's ... one has to make a compromise and redesign with the newer versions in mind ... the best part of this passion ... is it let me pass the covid lockdowns with something to keep my mind busy ... between learning aerodynamics, materials analysis ... and cad (i was trained on paper drafting) and yes even fluid dynamics ... and materials engineering ... it is a good thing I enjoy Maths ;)
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and of course I have a few other things in mind for the planes ... but those are staying with me ;)
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The Grand Lady WILL fly again ... before I pass on to the next posting ...
btw rtrd cpt 3 rcr ... scout sniper ... among other things ...
I just wonder IF i can learn to FLY her one day myself ... worst case I will backseat in her with a few bazillion barf bags ... cuz I know the pilot will do his best to make me toss my cookies ... Never give up and never surrender and NOTHING is impossible it just takes a little longer ..
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Pro Patria
HI Kaboom. Kudo's to you. Where exactly are you doing all this....regards...Viirtual
Thank you for sticking with the whole series, leaving the 206 cocooned for another generation to assist in dealing with threats to Canada.
@@avroarrowcf-105channel8 well so far out of my home I am reworking the plans ... the air frame is nearly complete as far as cad ready for virtual testing .... the engines ... well the math is HUGE and I am nibbling away at it piece by piece ... I am currently speaking with a few interested people to see what can be done about getting all the BITS needed to build them ... and I know a few retired Air force people who may be able to locate Military qualified test pilots that are retired ...
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and yes I am just south of that small town ... about 50 minutes south of it actually ;)
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I HOPE to get more done in the near future but it is hard slogging and many Kilometers of Math for each change ... good thing I like Maths ;)
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and the joys of people who said it cant be done ... they forgot what determination and a willingness to do what it takes to get the impossible done .. time is the enemy NOT knowledge ... after all I am NOT a spring chicken at 57 ... not like I have much else to do as essentially a shut in
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when I served ... I brought my boys home in the same parts they left with ... maybe a few holes extra .. but whole ... and we loved the impossible ... taught us a lot about what is possible
Two Episodes in just one day! What an amazing surprise of a Birthday gift. It may be the end of an era but for me it marks the beginning of new one, an amazing start off for my early 20s. The Animation amazing as always!, the storyline from beginning to end was very interesting and enjoyable, the characters were very likable enjoyed every minute that they were on screen. The action just blew me away I've been at the edge of my seat as well as cheering on for the RCAF and the RL-206 Team throughout the whole two episodes, and man what can say about that soundtrack, that wonderful groovy panio playing is an absolute joy to the soul it just grabs me every time I hear it. Virtual You have done a phenomenal job in bringing this incredible technological achievement of Canada's Aviation History back to life and back into the heavens of where she truly belongs. Thanks for all the wonderful adventures you have given to all of us "Arrowheads" they have certainly helped fill in that hole in our hearts that the axe from the programme's cancellation had left us with in it's wake. Philip and Paul's last mission with 206 was certainly the icing on the cake for me.... pun intended of course.
Thank you
- Noah.
Hi Noah...so happy you liked it. Your are a great supporter of the Arrow and this series. It has been so much fun and through viewers like you the story of the Arrow will continue to live. A conversation here and there, a Coffee with a friend, a chat with a young person, the legend will live on....regards....Virtual
thanks so much to share those memories whit us .this plane was some ting else. to bad we had a poor prime minister of canada (again)and still )
Thanks. I so enjoyed each episode. And the beautiful piano music.
Thank you great little seriees
Thank you for the series, very enjoyable
Thank you it was a great series.
This was an amazing Saga ! Awesome !
Wonderful conclusion right down to your thanks and end credits. You have doen a great thing for us all. Thank You.
Thanks again Danny. What about you. Are you sill doing radio and playing guitar these days.....regards....Virtual
@@Virtualenvirons absolutely, our radio show is going on 20 plus years 91.1FM and the TV series Cities i Blue is now on BBC First. We are playing limited engagements with the band also mostly around Toronto. Thanks for asking!
Thanks for doing this. Ive enjoyed evry episode.
Hi Tomas. Thank you for watching....regards.....Virtual
What a great Series. I just discovered it and watched it in its entirety. I recall a few years back when they found one of the test models in Lake Ontario. Awesome reference to Eddie Shack!
Hi Dave, Glad you enjoyed it, please share it with others. That test model? It was not really an Arrow. If you look at the images, you can see the wings are mid section. The Arrows wings came over the op. That was a test model for the Velvet Glove program, but positive news regardless. "Clear the track".......regards.....Virtual
My second time through the entire series. A delight to watch
I am so happy to hear your comment Ron. It is like a Christmas present. Kind regards.....Virtual
This is a great series indeed of avro arrow, watching from Tanzania🇹🇿🇹🇿
AMAZING and awesome! A labor of love. These animation in two last episodes were so realistic, I almost thought I was there. (But the whole series was top-notch!)
I lost 1/2 my sight, (so bought a bigger monitor to see this!) This, and other life events, were very depressing. But your story kept me entertained, proud, and happy. And I can always go back and watch again (I hope.). The music, as usual, was awesome.
I really have to thank you for your work. You made us, and RL-206 proud.
Take Care! LLAP!. And may any angels that guard you have quivers full of "Arrows".
The only thing 206 could do now, is take-on China. She was not designed for that, but likely could and would. But for now, she sleeps. A silent guardian!
Hi P.M. Hope all is well and your sight remains the same. Thank you for your comment and watching the series. If it wasn't for all of you who kept on watching, I don't know if I would have gone this far, but I am very glad I did.
Both China and Russia are becoming a pain. "A quiver of Arrows" would help a lot.....regards.....Virtual
@@avroarrowcf-105channel8 May your LOngbow always be ready, as at Agincourt, may your quivers be full of "Arrows", and may sun be behind you, with a good tailwind. You have done us all a great service! Have been telling many to come here and watch and learn! Take Care, and Thank you one more time! Quaplah!
@@PierreaSweedieCat What could have been of the series? No one knows who knows.
I found myself unable to stop watching. I watched from the beginning through to the end and was thoroughly captivated. Great job!
HI Lee, thank you very much for the wonderful comment. Comments like yours make my day.....regards.....Virtual
Amazing and bitter sweet end to the saga . Virtual you and your collaborators wove a tale that had many of us anxious for updates. All great things must come to an end. But endings are just new beginnings look forward to your next project.
Hi Chris/Sarah...Thank you for watching. I don't see another project of this magnitude in my future, not that I am going anywhere, I am quite healthy. It just took so much to do this....but, I may do something on the SR-71. If there was ever a jet and engine that was misunderstood, it's the SR-71.....regards...Virtual
Thank you. Your vision is greatly appreciated s well as the vision of those who helped
Sad to see that in years coming all of us avid arrowheads will be gone. Hopefully the younger generations will catch the bug and keep her alive. Sad to see the short sightedness of deif at the time cost us the arrow. But perhaps in the future new generations may revive her with new tech and ability. Sure wish I could have seen her fly one time. But that is what daydreams are for. Thank you ever so much for all of your insight and work to Bring these to our viewing. Greatly appreciated!!!🎉🎉
Hi Drew......thanks for the comment, makes my day......regards....Virtual
This brought tears to my eyes and a lump in my throat. Thank you for putting this series together. Oh what might have been. We could have been the second ones into space. No mention of it here but I remember. There were plans that would allow the Arrow to launch a rocket into orbit while flying inverted, at maximum altitude. I am positive that there would have been a world market. After all the Arrow as stated was five generations before its time. Gone, all because of a weak defence and an angry and jealous Prime Minister! 😡
Should read defence minister.
HI Gary, Thank you very much for the comment. Comments like yours make my day.....regards.....Virtual
My thanks to you. Great storytelling also the pride I can see you have in Canadian engineering. As a American we got the cream of the crop from Avro.
Always nice to hear from our American friends. "Cream of the crop", at leas something good came of it eventually.....regards......Virual
Thank you.
I remember vaguely about the Arrow. Someone should also do a series on the "Bradour" sp. It's a Hydrofoil sitting at NAD in Dartmouth also pulled out of the water by the Americans at the same general time. Was billed as the fastest warship afloat. Not sure if it was ever commissioned in the RCN but like I said it's at NAD which is part of the Dockyard complex which is Navy property.
magnificent ,
Thanks for watching.....regards....Virtual
Absolutely brilliant! Thank you!
The Arrow will not be forgotten!
Capt Dave K. Waterbury, CO
507 flt Lt McLean Sqn RCACS
Kentville, NS
Good morning Captain and Season Greatihngs. Your comment was a nice Christmas present....regards.....Virtual
I have quite possibly a stupid question. Could a private person (organization/whatever) build a, flight-capable, full-sized replica of the Arrow (not weapons capable of course) legally? (not RC toy)
HI BlackFire. I thought I answered you last week, but apparently not. The question is not stupid at all. It is a very complex question though. A full size Arrow as it was in 1959 would likely cost at least one billion dollars for the first one. After that maybe 130 million per copy. The first one would require all the jigs and fixtures, etc. Also, the engines are a problem. It is not clear who owns the rights to them as they were not owned by the Canadian Government, but Orenda, which is now Magellan. To answer your question though....it could be done......regards....Virtual
The Arrow was only a legend when I was born (1980's) but thanks to Ron Suchiu and his painting, I discovered her. What she was or wasn't we don't know but some Canadian billionaire should build a super sonic, full size replica with modern materials and the Canadian people should get to find out. If the myth is true and one got away...WE WOULD LIKE IT BACK! no questions asked 🤣
Pretty sure the arrow would not keep uo in dog fight in anything made after the 2000 but might have a chance with thrust retiring tech abd speed but would be a great inter enter abs strategic strick bomber not fight
Hi Sleuith. This question has two answers. The Arrow was design to fight and turn above 50,000 ft. Af that altitude an F-18 and most modern Russian fighters are ballistic or pretty much travelling in a straight line. That big wing on the Arrow was there to catch air and turn well above 50,000 ft., but in thick air it was a fish out of water except for speed.
One of the common mistakes on the Arrow was confusing its "Combat Ceiling" with 'Service Ceiling" cited at 58,000. ft. 58,000 ft, was where it could still turn and fight..
But, in lower altitudes it would pay a heavy price. Except for speed, it would be severely limited in turning.
Something else to keep In mind, the Arrow was designed with inherent instability, not seen again until the F-16 and F-18. This would give the Arrow an advantage in instantaneous turn rate at high altitude. The F-15 does not have that.
Most scenarios presented pose the question of an Arrow intercepting a modern fighter. What if a modern fighter ((F-35) had to intercept an Arrow over Canadian Airspace. Satellites coud direct the Arrow around an F-35. Assuming both and Arrow and F-18 were armed with AMRAAM's, the Arrow missile could be launched at greater distance and travel downward, where the F-18's would have to travel upwards.
The Arrow was a different bird.......regards......Virtual
Is to amezing.The ending story is nice.Salute from Malaysia people and Malaysia Armed Forces personal.
Thank you Syahrul Kamarudin. It is so nice to hear from people in different parts of the world. I did not realize until recently that there were many viewers from around the world.....regards....Virtual
I was rewatching and the only technical change I might suggest is that in reality the _Admiral Kuznetsov_ is always accompanied by a tugboat.
Hi Woody. Yes, good one. Although it is in for a refit apparently. I guess Putin's war is driving things.
Just out of curiosity Woody, where do you live.....regards....Virtual
@@Virtualenvirons I live near Fort Erie. We refer to it as the south coast of Canada, and my home is a 2 minute walk to the beach. I’ve lived in the Niagara Region most of my life on or near Lake Erie. I also spent a lot of time near North Bay when I was younger, as we had family that lived there. In the late 50’s and early 60’s every day in North Bay was like going to an air show.
Hi Woody. I live pretty much diagonally across from you on lake Ontario. I live outside of Kingston near Lyndhurst.....regards...Virtual
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No i ch_j ..... i juz po "Kuznetsovie" :o)
Wszyscy na jego pokladzie pozatruwali sie czarnym dymem lecacym z jego kominow !!!!