Sigma's 24-70mm f/2.8 Art II Might Be Better Than a Sony G-Master
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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The original Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 DG DN was a great lens for the price when it was released, but it has since been outperformed by some premium options. Now we have the 24-70mm f/2.8 DG DN Art II, which maintains the low price but offers enormously improved performance. Does it have what it takes to dethrone the mighty Sony 24-70mm f/2.8 GM II? We met up with Shawn Wagar and Raymond Knight of Verra Creative to find out which one is the best buy.
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0:00 - Intro
2:04 - Sample images
2:45 - Design and controls
4:25 - Close-up performance
5:12 - Sunstars
5:54 - Sharpness
8:11 - Video performance
9:15 - Autofocus
9:56 - More samples!
10:57 - Should you buy it? - Наука та технологія
PetaPixel is on fire right now. SO MANY VIDEOS
Jordan was probably kept in a windowless basement for the last 6 weeks that's why you can't even see him in this video... nice trick just playing some old audio of him and pretending like he's behind the camera though
$1200 for a near perfect 24-70... Sigma really knocking it out of the park again and again and again
I think only canon lenses can compete with sigma in terms of autofocus stills lenses, but it’s like a 3% improvement for triple the price lol.
All my zoom lenses are made by Sigma: no regrets.
@@CartyCantDance What? AF on all modern lenses doesn't matter who of the big manufacturer makes them is more than good enough for anything... doesn't matter if Fuji, Sony, Sigma, Canon, Tamron, Nikon, Olympus or Panasonic is written on there... 20 years ago people literally measured AF performance in seconds to have a comparison.... they stopped doing it because it's so fast that it absolutely doesn't matter and you can't reasonably conceive a difference
@@LoFiAxolotl I wasn’t talking about AF performance, I was talking about image quality and micro contrast
@@CartyCantDance yeah Canon really has shit the bed on that whole image quality part though with like the last 3 lenses they released which are all by far worse than anything anyone has done in the last 10 years that even compared to some chinese lenses just lose.... If you'd have watched the last few reviews on them and took of your fanboy glasses you'd have seen that and they clearly showed the flaws in them with soft corners terrible contrast loss when shooting against the sun etc etc etc
And in over 40 years of photography i have never heard anyone talk about Canon and Microcontrast in the same sentence... Leica and Zeiss are known for lenses that produce beautiful micro contrast.... Neither Canon nor Sony nor Sigma nor Nikon are known for their Lenses producing micro contrasts
@@LoFiAxolotl Micro contrast is just contrast (detail) at high frequencies (so fine details), which is hardly the exclusive purview of Leica and Zeiss. It seems that you may have been reading German lens fanboys making up new definitions of existing technical terms to try to justify their expensive purchases.
Alright, that 10:13 focus pull was fire.
I had to watch it 7 times. It's unbelievable
The focus pull looks remarkable, they achieved that by reversing the video, which is not uncommon in such focus pulls.
@@Inuyashasoy Ah-ha! 👀
You know it's a video where Chris is involved when there's a separate chapter on sunstars while bokeh, breathing, distortions are all hidden inside the video.
We didn’t even get a shot of a puddle while complaining about shots of puddles… quality of the videos has dropped so much
LOL
10:54 ..35 mm Chris..???? Really..??
😂😂😂
And wide open???
lol, the dog mic-dropping that stick while maintaining eye contact was great xD
Nicely done, guys!
Between this, the Fuji announcements, and the Canon R1, we’re eating good this week 📸
not like we can afford it all lol 😂
Hope for the z6iii announcement too😢
@@debarghyasenguptaphotoandfilms me too but there's no hint abt that. not even a trailer
@@debarghyasenguptaphotoandfilms Nikon has been the ugly duckling lately hasn’t it? Other then them buying one of the biggest companies in the industry there really wasn’t any news
Cool montage! Great overall review, it's nice to see Sigma up their game and create a really good zoom lens now.
Best looking video so far from you guys! Finally some shallow DoF in your shots! Thx for the awesome content!
Can always count on Peta pixel to give us the most uninspiring sample shots.
Just like watching your videos. Positive, great insight and content, superbly presented, shot and edited. Perfect.
This is why Canon didn't want 3rd party company to make lenses for the R mount. It used to be these lenses weren't as good but now they're as good if not better and significantly cheaper. I'm happy with the first version of this lens so I wish I hadn't seen this review.
It’s crazy that this lens costs half the price of what Sony is asking… if atleast the Sony was significantly better.. or the pana or Nikon or canon for that matter… really makes you wonder why the first party brands are asking that much or how sigma is keeping those prices that low
@@LoFiAxolotl I've heard long ago that Nikon and Canon make most of their money on lenses. One could say they sell cameras in order to make a killing on their lenses. That's also why each company protects their lenses with a proprietary mount.
@@petercofrancesco9812pretty sure all camera brands are like that.
@@holdmyown32 Some brands are worse than other. Canon was no 3rd party R mount until recent, where as Sony is open but some features like lens breathing is withheld from 3rd party. Imagine if car manufactures were like we have a proprietary wheels to prevent you from using other brands or put a computer chip to detect if you didn't use their tires and if so then the car would drive worse. Camera companies are greedy scheming sobs.
I've been holding onto my Sony 24-105mm f/4 lens for several years, wanting an f/2.8 mid range zoom but not wanting to spend the money on a GM lens. This Sigma lens with its high quality and reasonable price will finally make me replace the 24-105
Man same here 😂😂
Great video with all those extra helpers. Not in the market for this type of lens, but still entertaining way to keep up with the news.
Sony’s active stabilization seems to not work as well with third party lenses. It’s not very effective on v1 of the Sigma. Any chance of an improvement with v2?
Lovely photos!
Montages in this one were straight fire!
again . . Thanks Masta for great review ! . . missed sir Jordan though in the scene
First version is still one of the best. Surprised they felt this update was needed.
i mean... i doubt they felt a need to update it more than a need to make more money... no knock against Sigma i love them and the 24-70 (as well as the 28-70) are the best 24-70 i've used so far... not just optically absolutely amazing but it's so stupidly cheap and just light
External Iris is a big one for video users . Smaller / lighter . Yes please matron !
Fantastic job on the video! The Sigma lens looks really nice. Assuming this will be on L-mount that seems like it would be an amazing combo with the Panasonic Lumix S5 ii/x.👍
Working hard today. Thanks, lads.
Great review! Questions: (1) How would you say it compares to the Tamron 28-75mm G2? (2) The Northrup's had trouble with the eye autofocus on slowly moving subjects in their test shoot. I wonder if it was just their copy of the lens or if there is more to the story.
what lens did you shoot this ep on? that swirly bokeh was chef’s kiss at 2:55
Great production quality on this episode. That Sigma lens also looks like a great deal.
Finally, been waiting for weeks
Did you feel it syncs with the Active Stabilization as well as the G-Master does? Thanks!
Thanks for yet another very informative product info! As an owner of the first version I was hoping for more direct comparisons between the two Sigma generations as to how much or how little the advancements are. Given Sigma’s history, newer typically means better. Let’s say I had to replace my lens right this moment due to loss or damage, do I confidently jump on V2 or would the advancements be so minor that getting a reduced price V1 might be the better deal, let alone a used one in excellent condition? Or is there maybe something so incredibly much better with the new version that I should be thinking about upgrading as soon as possible?
Great video!
The gen 1 version is good, but pretty rough in sunlight in some spots. I’m waiting for the rumored 24-70 F/2 from Sony.
Looks great!!
So, will Leica 24-70 ii come with the aperture ring ? It will be so cool, if Leica version come with a new feature that during mode, the aperture will automatically become de-check mode, then, the won’t need to make a button for this?
You know what, I forgive you guys for not posting the podcast yesterday 💀 three episodes in one day is crazy
Killer RB roll!
@3:42 that tree is really sharp 😂
I have the original 24-7 and love it. This would have to be something special for me to consider trading up.
what about the dust resistance ????
At Sigma 24 70 no1 was very easy to dust dots to came inside the glass, like ridiculous easy. Like , one walk at the park was enough..
The only drawback of this Sigma lens is probably the software limited frame rate that won't matter except for A1 and A9 III users. Fantastic lens
Software limited frame rate? Whasat!?
@@socas_nic 120fps in still mode and 15fps in continuous AF shooting if I remember correctly.
@@socas_nic Sony decided to cuck every 3rd party lens maker by limiting the framerate on the A9 and A1 to 15 fps bursts for really no reason… doesn’t affect most people but it’s annoying for those that are affected
@@LoFiAxolotl big L move from sony i didn't know they did that
70-200 dg dn sports doesnt have a software limited frame rate i can do 20fps
Oh dude i used to see u in dpreview videos? Or maybe i am hallucinating idk. Either way ❤ u bro i subsribed just now because ur a legend. Any channel ur on i am with u
You’re definitely not hallucinating that we’re Jordan and Chris evil twins… and when Amazon smashed DPReview (to bring it back 15 minutes later) their evil twins lost the funds to keep them chained up in a windowless basement and they fled and are now petapixel!
Yes they are the guys from dpreview but my fabrication is much cooler
Dpreview, and before that, theCamerastoreTV.
I have the 28-70, seriously tempted by this though.
can't wait to get the 18-35 art lens MK II
Damn so cinematic! Great video work Jordan 👏
A lot of this was shot by Shawn and Raymond, and I agree it’s one of our best looking episodes!
- Jordan
@@PetaPixel well aren't they amazing too!! I think I even preferred the video work here to the Ronin 4d video
If you compare it with the Sony 20-70mm F4 which is the same price- which one would you recommend?
I don't know if you moved the camera position a bit but in the 24mm example at the waterfront the Sigma had a wider field of view and the focus looked closer to the camera then the Sony.
Is it parafocal? Could be a nice alternative to way heavier and expensive Lumix. But I love the possibility of the pull focus I have in the Lumix 24-105mm
The sigma 28-70 is always an option… it weights absolutely nothing… though considering it’s only marginally cheaper than the 24-70 now I’m not sure it has much of an appeal other than weight
Chris has just made me regret buying the Tamron 28-75mm G2
don't
in fact I myself bought the Tamron (1 day before the launch), knowing this lens will come out. And to know that the sigma ii optical performance is similar or just a little bit better than the mark i. I didn't regret it at all.
FYI I've tried the sigma mark i before.
28-75
@@xmanreturn Correction made.
It’s a fantastic lens… don’t let corporate greed and marketing fool you into fomo
its great that this is naturally focus breathing corrected. the sony gmaster incurs a crop with the breathing compensation correction feature which annoyingly is only available for specific expensive gmaster lenses. great job sigma. This will be arguably better for l-mount where the lens will not be restricted below 15fps because it’s not a first party lens too. I wish sony would remove that artificial limitation for the a1 and a9iii with third party lenses.
Where to buy the BMW M logo shirt wearing by Raymond 1:33 ? that looks good! btw I own the G1 thats a fantastic lens, no need to upgrade
I have the v.1 Is it worth upgrading to the new model?
honestly, i wish the Sony 24-70 GM2 did have a lens lock button. I've had mine for two years, and lens creep does happen especially when it's pointed downward while on my HoldFast Gear straps
Does the de-clicked aperture ring actually physically move the aperture or is it just electronically mobing the aperture? It's nice to actually directly control the aperture for video work
Everything is electronically actuated on Sigma DN lenses.
@@Bayonet1809 that’s kinda sad but I guess all modern photography lenses pack the direct aperture control… it’d be nice for video for smooth transitions in aperture
Awesome! A well done update to the existing sigma 24-70.
I just wonder why you didn't find much loca, when Christopher Frost found some of the worst i have seen i recent times?
What an exciting day!
Not the first lens this happens on. I wonder if Frost gets some bad apples sometimes or does better tests to find the flaws. Makes it difficult to know for sure.
The LoCA is very visible in the sample photo at 4:58. I just think their specific test for it was not particularly revealing.
Can you tell please I nave sigma 24-70 2.8 gm1 and use it mostly for video, zoom ring is very tight its very annoying to zoom smoothly. How about zoom stiffness on new lense?
Thats a lot of prep for a regularish test of a regularish zoom. Im impressed.
_sigh_
Another one for the Camera/Lens Bucket list ( that I cannot afford _right now_ )
Otherwise, nice in-depth video!
Having shot with an early copy of the Sony G Master, it wouldn't be hard to be as good or better. The Sony was soft on the edges and AF was marginal but it has good bokeh. It's good to see Sigma releasing updated models I hope they revisit the 12-24 soon
Question regarding focus breathing. Did you compare focus breathing with the focus breathing compensation turned on for both lenses?
Breathing compensation does not work with 3rd party lenses. It was disabled on the Sony GMII.
Good review, but what about color? Sigma lenses I've used in a past seemed a bit greenish compared to Sony..
I already have some Sony lenses and "linear manual focus" on new GM II series is a real benefit for video shooting.
I've done two transactions with KEH. Very happy with the price and the process. Much better than dealing with E-Bay.
I really love the content you guys put out. Super informative and entertaining. One thing bothers me a little: the *change of loca test subjects* from review to review. Other people have reported very strong loca on this lens. I really think you should ommit the test if you dont want to use a standardized method. Everything else can potentially be very misleading - and there is some evidence that it actually misleads in this case. I think you should repeat with a different test subject and correct the review if the outcome changes. Just a nitpick for otherwise stellar content.
Dang. Always been wanting to buy the 24-70 2.8 GMii, because i was thinking if i'm gonna buy, might as well get the best. Now i dont know if i should instead consider on getting the Sigma 24-70 2.8 ii.
My Sigma FP was hoping this lens would feature image stabilization.
The OG Sigma is a great value!
Does it still zoom the wrong way compared to Sony?
DOH! I just purchased the previous Sigma 24 - 70mm. No wonder it was a couple hundred dollars off. I didn’t know that II was on the way. 😅
Sigma 24-70 has been my primary lens for so long. Love sigma lens.
Hoping for a bokeh comparison between the old and new version in the final review.
Very good one. As always! But very good one anyway 😊
Hello, if you have a Lens Sony 24-105 F4 do you buy this New sigma's Lens?
im currently using the version 1,do you think it is okay to stay with this or upgrade
Not enough of a difference to upgrade really.
Now that we finally get focus breathing comp on the a7SIII and the A1, I'm going to have to stick with the Sony 24-70 GM II. Between that and losing the option to shoot any faster than 15fps on my A1 the lower cost just doesn't do enough for me. I do think the Sigma is a fantastic lens and if you are on a tighter budget is a great option though!
Do you have to rebalance the gimbal when moving to other focal lengths?
You generally have to with externally zooming lenses as the balance of the weight changes (some smaller zooms might not have much of a problem because of their size)
Don't understand that Northrup can say that autofocus is better with the corresponding Sony lens, when you get a completely different result?
Thanks for the video. Seems like a great lens but I’ve had my GM II version for about two years now. I guess if you want the best you have to pay for it but at least I’ve gotten a two year head start on my image creation. Sour grapes, maybe some, but I’m sure Sigma as learned from Sony after studying there best lenses. Will Sigma do a 16-35/2.8 that competes with the GM II to get you an updated holy trinity? I guess we just have to wait and see. Take care.
Gerald Undone did another test that the Sigma won with it not getting washed out. You should add that to your testing of lens.
Why are third party lenses capped at 15 fps on stills?
How does this lens compare to the lumix 24-70 2.8 S Pro?
800$ cheaper and optically both are more than good enough with each having flaws that are minor the Pana feels a lot more substantial though… and with that I mean heavier and longer… both are excellent lenses but I can’t find a reason that would justify spending 800$ more on the pana
a7siii still slaying it
Wow, busy day at the office!?
Hey. That’s my home town!
Sony 24-50 or Sigma 24-70 please ?
Was waiting for this 😬
This has certainly piqued my interest. Ive been looking at upgrading my tamron 28-75, even though i love it, that extra 4mm of difference is kinda killer. Lately I find myself switching to my sigma 16-28 more often than i would like to even just setting it at 24 to get marginally wider. I wish sigma would put out a 16-35 idk why sony has a grip on that focal range.
Does the IBIS work with this lens?
Ibis works with every lens… it’s in body… the lens does not have OIS though (like most 24-70 really not needed at wide focal lengths)
I’ve had the sigma 28-70mm f2.8 for a while now. This lens doesn’t make me want to upgrade, but if I didn’t already have that lens I would be drooling over this one
What do you think about the 28-70? How's the focus speed? Bokeh? Any noticeable color fringing? Even though this lens is, probably awesome, an even lighter option is also attractive. Also, any reason that you preferred this Sigma over Tamron 28-75?
@@Daniel_Ilyich I mean it’s literally perfect in every way I could think of. I pair it with the sigma 16-28 f2.8. It’s so sharp that I soften my images in post even with a diffusion filter. I’m sure the 24-70 is better because of some weather sealing and maybe CA correction, but I’ve always had clients say wonderful things about my work with the 28-70mm
@@CartyCantDance That's very reasuring. Good to hear that from a working photographer, rather than a professional reviewer.
Sorry to bombard you with questions, I noticed that the 28-70 has a step motor rather the linear motors on the more expensive lenses, how do you find the focus accuracy? How does it focus in low-light? Is it noisy? Promise, no more questions.
@@Daniel_Ilyich never had an issue with focusing noise or performance. Like any other lens, if you subject is in a high contrast backlit scenario then your lens might not have perfect AF. but you can usually calibrate your camera’s AF settings to compensate. Hell I’m saying all this working on the lumix s5ii instead of Sony autofocus, so the performance is even more impressive
Dear Sigma, please bring this to Canon RF asap, much appreciated!
Is there a noise in video af?
I'd really like to see this come to the Z-mount at some point. Nikon's offering is hugely expensive and hugely huge.
They are very similar in size, and would be almost the same size on the shorter flange Nikon Z mount, so if you think the Nikon Z 24-70mm f/2.8 is huge then you won't be happy with this Sigma either.
@@Bayonet1809 It is slightly smaller and lighter at least, and considering I had two of the Nikon lens that both had a faulty focus ring, hopefully better built too. The main difference from what I can see is that the Sigma is a narrower diameter for most of the barrel, extending wider for the front element, but the Nikon is consistently wide throughout the length. I'd be curious to compare them side-by-side though!
Where is jordan ?
Wrong zoom direction for me, but damn this would be appealing for Z mount.
Brilliant review. Makes me more want to sell my Canon R6 and go over to Sony, just to use these beautiful Sigma lenses.
PetaPixel is officially THE GOAT CHANNEL
As excited as I am about the Tamron 28-75 G2 coming out on Z mount, I’d prefer this lens on Z mount. Pleeeeease Sigma!!
Sneaky suspicion Nikon will not let this on Z mount 😢
The real question is the new Sigma or the original G-Master since they are pretty close in price.
4 videos ?!!!!
Not a fan of the tube zoom but looks like a great lens.
Which 24-70/2.8 doesn't have an extending zoom?
@@Bayonet1809 Fujifilm’s new 16-50 has an internal zoom. Not a fixed aperture, but there are tradeoffs I’m happier to deal with.
As long as this one doesn't collect dust internally, I'll be happy.
I'm already looking forward to the old version going down in price 😬
OT, it was a bit jarring that the business owner is prettier than the professional model. You could've featured her more.
I'm much more interested in the Sony GM MKII than this lens. I'm pretty burned on sigma because of the dust issues with the original 24-70. Dust always keeps getting inside the lens. I have 3 other sigma lenses with no dust issue and a couple sony lenses with no dust issue but I'm still just not willing to but another one from them. It's too annoying. I also just simply need lenses that aren't locked from shooting at higher burst speeds on sony cameras.
Great video, as always. Thumbs up.
But a question: I'm thinking about venturing a foot into the Sony universe next year when the SONY a7v comes out. Isn't it now completely possible (or even better) to get a complete lens kit of Sigma lenses instead of the G-Master variants? I mean there is everything you need, 24-70mk2, 70-200mk2, etc etc. What else speaks effectively FOR the GMaster lenses? Best regards.
We recently published a whole video about using ONLY Sigma lenses quite happily, and that doesn't even include this lens which is also great.
Leica should do a rebranding...