2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid Kia Optima - Hybrid System Warning - Do Not Drive - Check Charging System
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- Опубліковано 12 гру 2024
- After receiving the system messages in my car & being stranded on the interstate, I show you the fix that worked for me.
Please see the link for the Technical Service Bulletin.
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You can purchase the new fuse from a Hyundai OR Kia dealership.
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Part number should be 375F2-4R150
From KIA bulletin DTC P1B25/P1B77 - 125 AMP HV FUSE INSPECTION
If the measured resistance is not within specification, or the P1B25 DTC is intermittent, replace the
125 Amp HV Battery Fuse with the newer 150 Amp HV battery fuse (part #375F2 4R150).
Hello do u have a Facebook I have a question please
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@@thejoki04 I had the same probable but when I took out the Fuse it was 150A as well. Why is that?
Interesting, I wonder if it’d already been replaced under the TSB…. That would be my only guess.
I just want to say thank you for posting your video. We have a 2012 hybrid Sonata that's been to 4 different dealerships that never solved the problem. They replaced the hybrid battery, 2 12v batteries, and ran diagnostics with no clear results but wanted to replace the transmission that was replaced 30,000 miles ago under the previous owner. So, after watching your video we decided to risk the $75 for the fuse and it worked!! We didn't even have to jump-start it, it cranked right up, the ready light came on, and my husband drove it around for several hours. After about 35 miles the engine light turned off by itself. I'm almost sure that fuse was the problem all along and it never even needed a new hybrid battery. I'm going to write to Hyundai, who, by the way, was of no help at all. I know it won't do any good, but it will make me feel better.
That is so awesome to hear! Really happy it worked out for you guys. It’s shocking that sometimes it’s the little things…
Well, it worked for a little while and then it all happened again. Found a good hybrid tech at a different dealership who changed out the power relay and that didn't work. The 12v battery won't charge while driving and the factory was no help at all, just said to replace the transmission. Seriously? It could be the DC inverted inside the HPCU but I'm not going to spend $5k on the off chance it might fix it given we've already got almost $10k on an 11 year old car. So we'll try to sell it as is and just take the loss and be done with the damn thing!
That really sucks!! Since I’ve had this issue, I found out that many of these cars qualify for the engine recall from Hyundai. My engine just started knocking yesterday (11/29/2022) so that’s when I found the recall & dropped my car off at the dealership. I’m not sure if yours would qualify, but it certainly doesn’t hurt to have them check!!
Best of luck to you, I’m happy it worked for awhile, but am sad that something else happened; that’s really frustrating.
@@jcparkinssame exact issue on my 2013 optima hybrid.
Changed safety fuse, HSG, HPCU and 12v battery but to no avail.
The only problem is the 12v battery not charging causing all this bs!!! Losing my mind
@@HoodRichSWERVE I feel your pain. We finally decided to cut our losses, which were substantial, and sell it with full disclosure of the problem. We had a feeling it would turn out to be something as simple as a bad cable or connector somewhere but finding some to troubleshoot it to that level was impossible and probably very costly.
Hey! Just wanted to say I really appreciate you making this video. I was getting the exact same error code on my 2013 Kia optima hybrid. Limped my car home and it wouldn’t start back up after turning it off. Replace battery thinking it was that and still would t turn on. Swapped the 125 fuse with 150 fuse like shown in your video and car started right up!
Awesome! Really happy it worked out for you also!
Sup bro I just want to say thank you so much for posting this video. I just did what you did and my car started up right away. The amount of time, money & stress that you saved me is incredible. Seriously can’t thank you enough
That’s so awesome man!! So happy it worked out for you!
Thanks. I'm gonna change mine this week. You have given me the confidence to try and fix it.
Best of luck!!
@@thejoki04 you said it’s held on by 2 bolts. Do I just pull on it, i took of the bolts and pulled on the cover but it’s difficult to remove
On my 2013 the safety plug came out in one piece, then I popped the cover off showing the fuse, then removed the 2 screws howling the fuse in & the fuse popped out no problem.
Does that help? As I mentioned, mine is a 2013.
Great video. I ordered fuse with plastic harness for less than $75 and started right up.
Awesome!
Thank you for this video ! You saved me a lot of money ! This just happen to me yesterday and by luck the dealer had the PEC fuse in stock and I put it in with a new battery and I was good to go !
Awesome! Really happy to help!
How much did the service cost? I'm having the same issu
Issue
Hey man I just want to say thank you for sharing the video I really appreciate that. I did what you did went to the kia dealer because hyundai didn't have it anywhere close by but yeah mines started right up
Happy to help! I’m shocked it was something so small…. Another guy on here said his car sat for 2 years cuz dealer could not figure out the issue, it worked for him also, fired right up.
Similar warning came on for my daughther'w, 2015 Sonata Hybrid, I did not confirm the "Check Charging" message. I had the car towed, let it sit for a day while I mulled what to do as the issue was still present the next day. My local, non-dealer mechanic came over, cleared the codes to reset them, he wanted to confirm if the codes still popped after being clearning up but same warning lights did not(there were many codes as I had tried to read them with my OBD2 reader). After my mechanic cleared the codes, the car drove fine. Nevertheless, I towed it do the dealer to see if they could find something wrong with it, they did not. I believe they did software/firmware update(free of charge, I believe because they kept the car for so long and wanted a good review(which I gave)) and/or confirmed latest greatest software/firmware. The problem has not repeated(knock on wood), its been 1month, 1 week. I am going to buy this fuse as I believe the issue will re-appear. If it re-appears, this will be my next troubleshooting step before I take it to the dealer again.
Fingers crossed that continues to work! Awesome!
thank you thejoki04 you just saved me probably $1000 dollars or more by watching your video , I purchased the 150 amp fuse at the KIA dealer ,got home re placed the the fuse and problem solved !
Really happy to hear that! Mine is still going strong!
Thx! Your Vid saved meg a lots of money and Time.
So happy it worked for you!
Had this problem once before and this was the fix. Having it again now but I’m pretty sure I just put in another 125 fuse instead of a 150
I hope this fixes it! The fuse should have the amps labeled on the side of it. Best of luck!
Thanks so much. It worked perfectly
I had the same thing happened to me. I took the car to the dealership. The issue was the software program. They updated it never had issue again its been 3 years. One more thing the dealership didn't charge me. They told me it happened other customer and they might have recall to fix the issue. I hope this helps
Very interesting, thank you for sharing!
Similar warning came on for my daughther, 2015 Sonata Hybrid, I did not confirm the "Check Charging". I had the car towed, let it sit for a day while I mulled what to do as the issue was still present the next day. My local, non-dealer mechanic came over, he cleared the codes to reset them, he wanted to confirm if the codes still popped up but same warning lights did not. After clearning the codes, the car drove fine. Nevertheless, I towed it do the dealer to see if they could find something wrong with it, they did not. I believe they did software/firmware update(free of charge, I believe because they kept the car for so long and wanted a good review(which I gave)), the problem has not repeated. I am going to buy this fuse as I am just waiting for the issue to re-appear. If it re-appears, this will be my next troubleshooting step before I take it to the dealer again.
@@ricardomontes6642 I'm happy that your daughter's car got fixed! I purchased my vehicle from an auction, and the same thing is happening to mine. Wonder also if a software update would help.
This happened to my 2015 sonata, happed like 3 years ago. it's been sitting for 3 years while I was still making payments for it but couldn't drive it and Hyundai wouldn't help at all. I'll give this a try. Because nobody around me works on hybrids. And we'll it's paid off now and just sitting there. So might as well try this as a last resort before I sell it for scrap.
Best of luck!! If this doesn’t work, try the power control module on the hybrid system, it’s a couple hundred dollars, but you could always sell the part if it does not work…
@@thejoki04 that was the first thing I changed when it first happened. I googled this problem and that was one of the fixes. I changed it out and the Car started up for a minutes drove it a few feet and got the warning again and car shut down. So idk but it sucks that Hyundai won't take care of this problem. I got the car with less than 50,000 miles on it. Soon as warranty went out at 100,000 this happened. I still owed 9 grand on it, had to make payments until I paid it off last year, while it sat in my yard. So fingers crossed this works. If so I'm selling it lol.
@@nonyabusiness7780 oh man that sucks, lol. Let me know how it goes for you!
Did it work??
Where do you live? Don't scrap it. Did you ever figure it out? If not I would like to buy it for spare parts for mine.
Question for you...would this cause the car to just stop moving even though its still running? My daughter's 2013 Sonata Hybrid did this to her on Monday and we had it towed to the shop. They said it would be at least 10 days before they can even look at it. The car was still running but not moving and the dash had the loud warning noise and flashing warning. TY very much for posting this information!
Yes, that’s exactly what mine did. The dash was still on lighting up with the warnings & sounds, but the car would not move or kick on the motor when pressing the pedal.
@@thejoki04 GOSH!! I hope this is all it is...I was thinking the transmission went out. Thank you so much for getting back to me I really appreciate it. I will post an update when I find out more!
Please do!! It sure seems it’s been working for a lot of people, so I hope it works for you as well!
@@thejoki04 Update...after a long 2 week wait the dealership finally ran diagnostics of the car and said yes the fuse was blown along with the Relay power supply and they want over $2K for repair. I do not know how hard it is to replace the relay power supply but I am pretty sure $2K is excessive!! Any thoughts? Thanks!
Another twist...I pressed them about this being covered under the warranty for the hybrid system and after several calls they are saying yes that it should be covered.
Hi, good vid. Did it give you any codes? Mine says not communicating with HPCU. And check brake.
Yes, mine said check brake & a few others. Since it’s saying not communicating with the HPCU, it makes sense that the fuse is faulty because that’s what controls that connection. Best of luck!
I have a 2013 Hyundai hybrid with a newer engine and engine battery. I still get the warning but only when I turn on the air. Not sure what to do next.
Not sure why I did not see this before. Did you get it resolved?
We're on a weekend trip back toward our home and have a 2013 Hyundai Sonata Hybrid with yellow warning lights and beeping. The car seems to be driving the same as normal but the mechanic's scanner couldn't find a code but when she unplugged it, the display in the car said " battery discharge warning ". Of course it's Sunday and dealership in las Vegas is closed. Any ideas are welcome! The beeping is maddening but we're grateful it's running. 400 miles to get home. God willing.
That is not a good feeling! It sounds like it’s either the fuse or the power relay going bad! It sure would be nice yo be able to find a fuse to grab just in case, too bad the dealerships are closed!
@@thejoki04 Thanks for your reply! We stopped at autozone in Las Vegas. She scanned our vehicle again and it came up with a few things. She reset it and it's been running fine since. Only 250 miles from home.
PHEW!!
Did you guys make it??
@@thejoki04 yes! After getting codes reset at Autozone, southwest Las Vegas on Blue Diamond , it was smooth sailing all the way home. 270 miles, beep free. Thanks for asking.
I’m having a similar issue. I also tested the fuse with a multimeter and it’s reading as a good fuse. I wonder if I should get the 150a fuse.
I would try a new fuse. The tech service bulletin talks about testing the fuse & tapping on it while testing it to tell if the 125 is bad. It’s worth a try!!
I assume the car is still going strong? I've done this exact fix recently, It fixed the car for about 48 hours then the problem continued. P1B71, P1B70 continues to be thrown and the car displays the hybrid message and to pull over. Now with the 150amp fuse it will turn back on with just a key cycle and acts like normal until EV mode is needed or hard braking occurs.
Mine has been operating perfectly since the change. Sounds like yours may have the additional issue of the Power Control Relay attached to the hybrid battery in the trunk. Just guessing, but that’s where’d I’d go next.
Thanks for the info
You are most welcome!
Hello I have a 2012 Kia Optima hybrid. And it’s giving me that same dashboard warning. With a dinging and flashing check engine light. But my car is still starting up. But when I put it in drive it’s moving really slow… Any advice?
Honestly, even though it’s a risk, I would try replace the fuse as the video shows. There could be other issues, but it will cost you more than the cost of the fuse for them to do a diagnostic, & some diagnostics have been wrong and have missed the fuse issue…. This is just my opinion of course, & I know it’s hard dropping $65 as a guess to see if it fixes the problem…
Is this the Yellow Wrench indicator under the display that comes on intermittently in my 2013 Sonata Hybrid?
Yes, that’s one of the lights that came on when mine experienced the issue.
@@thejoki04 My car is running just fine (for now) and that light is intermittent (for now). Just had it in yesterday and they said they didn't know what to do with it since no codes were on the diag.
Plus I never get a CEL with it. Just the wrench.
Fingers crossed for you! Might not hurt to have a backup fuse in the car with a screwdriver set in case it dies on the road on you. Save you a bunch of money and trouble! Lol
@@thejoki04 FOR SURE! I'll for sure have to do that. Thanks again!
How has the car been for you? I see you have a lot of miles on it. How would you rate it?
I really liked it, a lot of highway miles and it had a quiet cabin ride & the seats were comfortable for wide shoulders. Good gas mileage, the Bluetooth worked great, & I loved the keyless entry. The only problem I have with it is the motor blew & there was a massive recall on the motors for a lot of Hyundai & Kia vehicles from like 2012-2016 & my experience with trying to get Hyundai to fix it were a nightmare. They did not honor my recall for some dumb minor reason. Because of that I don’t think I will ever buy a Hyundai again. I have a Honda Accord 4dr now & love it.
do you have a video changing the fuse? or how to change the fuse?
If you open the back cover in the trunk, you will be able to pull the whole fuse assembly out. Once you have it out, you can pop the cover off & you will see two star / Phillips screw bits which you can take out, then take out the fuse. Put the new one back in & you’re good to go.
@@thejoki04 I did purchase and changed the fuse and problem solved car is back to normal.
thank you very much guys , you guys save me a lot money
This is outstanding. I am very excited this fox is working for so many people.
@@thejoki04 Should I disconnect the battery first?
I did on mine, it’s probably not a bad idea.
Are you able to link the bulletin for the hyundai sonata hybrid? I have a 2014 and just had the “check charging system” & “do not drive”message come up. My mechanic is stumped and the hyundai techs had no knowledge of the fuse. Thanks
f01.justanswer.com/Mohma313/ac3cef59-cf69-4418-b8cc-9ff6c30d4f1f_hyundai_hybrid.pdf
@@thejoki04 thank you for responding. Ill let you know if this works. Your video was very helpful
Please do, I sure hope this fixes your issue!!
@@thejoki04 This caused the problem. Also had to change the 12v battery because it just wouldnt stay on. But it appears to be running just fine now. Can’t thank you enough for your video. Saved me hundreds if not thousands from the dealership
Awesome!! So happy to help!
Fuse tested good. Best to upgrade. It was your battery in trunk. Bet shortly after this u swapped the battery
I am still on the same battery over 3 months later. Zero other issues since upgrading fuse.
Multifunction indicator lamp (MIL) (check engine light) with hybrid system warning safely stop and do not drive. You think that’s the same thing?
My dash was lit up like a Christmas tree with many lights on. I can’t guarantee a new 150 amp fuse will fix yours, but it’s a $63 chance that could fix it. Yours does sound like what mine did.
Hey I just got a 2015 Hyundai sonata hybrid. My bf took it up a mountain now it's having this issue. I can't find the fuse any where to order it. It only gives me the safety cover.
Check with a Hyundai or Kia dealership, they should keep them in stock.
Check here also:
www.kia.parts/oem-parts/kia-fuse-high-voltage-375f24r150?origin=pla&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-YWQ78e7-AIVHQutBh2C0gM7EAQYAiABEgKtjPD_BwE
Part number should be 375F2-4R150
Thank you!
My pleasure!
Wow, I'm really hoping this is the problem with my daughter's Kia. I'm willing to risk $65. Do you know if the door in the trunk where this fuse if found is located in the same area on a Kia?
What year and model is her car?
2012 Kia Optima hybrid
Yes, it should look exactly the same as my video. You can also look at this link below and scroll to page 20 where it will show you.
www.boronextrication.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2010/11/KIA-Optima-Hybrid-Emergency_Rescue_Guide_Manual_DE_HEV_USA.pdf
@@thejoki04 it didn't work. I thought it might because everything else seemed to power on and there was a hum or something from the engine, plus the AC and radio powered on, but when put in drive it wouldn't go anywhere. I saw a check charging system warning with what looked like an alternator and a battery on the display, and after leaving it on for about 10 mins I'd get the same power off car do not go anywhere warning. The battery was so low I couldn't even lock the doors with the clicker thingy. Any suggestions?
I recommend charging your battery in the trunk, you could probably connect jumper cables from another vehicle for awhile. They’d what I did with mine. Hopefully that works! If it doesn’t, it may be the power relay in the trunk above the hybrid battery.
Wasn't there a recall on this fuse?
I’m not sure about a recall, I haven’t been following it since my fix. There is a TSB for this issue where they say the fuse needs to be replaced with a bigger one.
Dead post but mine did almost the same thing. I was driving car kinda lost power. Then all my lights freaked out. Now I think my 12v battery is dead too. I tried the mega fuse no avail.
That sucks. You can try your 12V battery, they make load testers for those that tell you if it’s good or not(something more than a multimeter).
If it’s not that, I would check the hybrid battery power control module.
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Did u get only a wrench because that’s the only light that comes on for me
No, I had many lights on with lots of beeping.
Hello,when Hybrid Warning came you still was able to drive the car or everything just stopped?
Everything just stopped and I was unable to drive the car. I had to tow it off the interstate to troubleshoot.
What is good fuse reading ? Mine go from 0.5 to 0.1 in 3 seconds when testing it with multimeter is this good or bad?
Check this link out. If the multimeter is set to the right setting it should go to 0. That being said, the one from my car said it was good, but the replacement fuse had more amps & fixed the problem so I’m glad I replaced it anyway. If you still have the factory fuse in, I would buy the 150amp & switch it out since the tech bulletin says it should be upgraded to the 150.
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So you don’t think replacing it with 125 amp would work?
I tested both my 125 from the car & the new 150 & it both tested the same showing good. Once I replaced the 125 with the 150 the car started working again.
@@thejoki04 what was the part number for the fuse
Part number should be 375F2-4R150
Ntsb recommends putting the 150.
Sir,are you still answering to questions?)
Yep! Just replied.
@@thejoki04 Sir,i encounter with the hybrid battery problem yesterday,tall my car to the house and change fuse (thank you very much for your advice).Now everything works fine.The question is how i can make the car to last long.I see a lot of Sonatas selling in Marketplace needed transmission or hybrid,engine replacement.When i need change oil in transmission or what maintenance i can do?
I drive car a lot.Thank you!
@user-oi3go1uz5h regular maintenance and make sure you bring it to the dealer to get your recalls done.
I experience the same sign , but it says check break and don’t drive . I stopped the car and switch it off. After 5 minutes when I restart the engine, the car was normal and I drove the car to home . I am experiencing this almost every week . Can someone help me to identify the problem ?
That is strange. I would probably replace the fuse from the video anyway, it may fix it.
Cuál fue tu solución?
Did you only replace the fuse? Or did you get the entire safety fuse assembly
I only replaced the fuse. You can pop the cover off the fuse assembly after you remove it & the fuse is held in by two screws.
@@thejoki04 I just had this issue a week ago. I had to get towed to my house. My Kia Optima it's still covered under the factory warranty for the hybrid system. The worst part is that the service center is saying they cannot duplicate warning so everything seems fine. I had to call corporate to press the issue that the car was unsafe to drive. Kia told me do not pick up the vehicle it is deemed unsafe to drive but unfortunately my car will be in their hands as long as it takes for them to find out what's wrong
That’s crazy. There is a technical service bulletin that was released for the Optima as well: static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10154660-9999.pdf
I would bring this up with them & ask them for a loaner vehicle while they try figure it out. If I’m not mistaken, loaner vehicles are up to the discretion of your local dealership, but maybe corporate can help you if you ask them.
@@thejoki04 I pulled the 2 screws but doesn't want to come out
Try pry on it with a flat blade screwdriver. If it won’t come out, you may need to order a whole new hev safety plug off Amazon.
Does the radio or the USB circuit work?
Sorry, I cannot remember if they were working when this happened, I do not think so.
All 1102 low voltage temp codes?
Sorry, just saw this. I did not see any of those codes, but prior to changing the fuse, the car would not start and drive.
Sir I don’t understand the attached service link , is it for a different fuse?
Sorry, I just realized the TSB I attached is for a 2016 & newer Hyundai Sonata.
The video I show is on my 2013 which I think covers 2011 - 2014. What year is yours?
Mine is a 2013
You should have the same door in the trunk as I do, pull out the orange piece & the fuse is in there. I will comment again with the part number & a link.
www.kia.parts/oem-parts/kia-fuse-high-voltage-375f24r150
Part number should be 375F2-4R150
Hello brother. I would REALLY appreciate your help or someone else’s help. My 2013 hybrid sonata broke the alternator belt a few nights ago. I changed it but since then I only get that message on the screen “HYBRID SYSTEM WARNING. SAFELY STOP AND DO NOT DRIVE” I literally depend on the car to get to and from work and I don’t have anyone else. I would appreciate a LOT of SOMEONE’s help
It sounds like you’re getting the same error I did & a lot of others in the comments. I know there’s no guarantee that changing the fuse will fix it, but it did for me & a lot of others on here. I would probably start with that.
Sorry, but your fix description does not make any sense. The fuse is good or bad, nothing in between. I have replace both fuse and inverter and get the same bad behaviour.
That’s what I thought too, the old 125 fuse from the car was showing it was good, but when I changed just the fuse only to the new 150 fuse, it started working again……. I changed nothing else. I went from a testing good 125 fuse, to a new 150 fuse & it started working.
The trunk battery lasts 2 years. If older replace. Then take to dealer get program update. Still issue need hybrid management module
So I just had this same issue happen to me on the parkway as soon as I eclipsed that 100,000 mile mark. Just felt I had to throw that out there.. do you recommend the 125 or the 150 amp?
I believe the tech service bulletin on it says you have to upgrade to the 150 amp.
@@thejoki04 so update.. I couldn’t find the 150 online so I ordered the same 125 and it has worked fine. The dealership said there was a waitlist for the part.
Hello,when Hybrid Warning came you still was able to drive the car or everything just stopped?
Sorry, I did not see your comment. My car stopped working and would not drive.