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the poor first guy literally hit puberty and thought it was nofap.
I'm dying hahaha 😂
😭😭😭😭
he's also just lying, so there's that
Poor what, sexist? Chud? F em
Steroids
funny thing is, going on estrogen and transitioning actually does give you nicer skin and thicker head hair, more testosterone literally does the opposite
transmascs who started going bald after starting T are going insane rn... trans people truly have forbidden knowledge. i love us
Don't let the red pillers hear this
tbh my mom says that if I took testosterone, she would worry about me becoming stupid as well. and that's coming from me identifying as trans-masc.
It does and makes you look younger not to mention where fat is stored changes and so does the way your mind works... I was only interested in girls before hrt 🤣🤣🤣
As a transman, hair is fine but I genetically am lucky w that - skin however....I miss my super clear skin 😅
Being treated like an object is exactly why I dumped my first boyfriend. Dude would legit get mad if I said no, which I rarely did because I was young and wanted to make my first relationship work. I worked twelve hour shifts as an autism therapist and I had extremely violent clients. I'd go to his place after spending the day getting the crap beat out of me and would just want to relax and watch a movie. He would say that's all we were going to do but literally ten minutes in he'd be pawing all over me. One time when I said no he turned off the movie, started playing a video game, and completely ignored me. After fifteen minutes I decided screw his petulant ass I'm leaving. He asked where I was going and I said home because he clearly didn't want to spend any actual time with me. His response was "well I just don't like to lose." Because apparently sex was a game to him and his goal was to always get what he wanted. I'm mad at myself that it took another month after that incident for me to say bye forever. I didn't realize how much he stressed me out until after I was done.
Awwwwwww, such a "victim."
@@molasorrosalom4846 You do realize that groping someone when they don't want to be is sexual assault. Also considering that sometimes he would coerce me into having sex when I said no several times, that would now be considered rape. But hey thanks for not caring about consent.
@@empressmarowynn Ignore him, his parents didn't love him and now he thinks it's okay to take that out on strangers on the internet. Sorry that happened to you! It might have taken you a while to leave but you still did it in the end. And next time you run into an abusive guy you'll notice the signs much quicker
I'm so sorry that happened to you and that there are people commenting so awfully about your experience. With my ex, I had the exact same situation. He told me that he loved me and that it wasn't just about sex, but same as your ex, when I didn't want sex, he started ignoring me. I was with that guy when I was 16-18 years old so I didn't know any better and I wanted him to like me... I completely understant your pain
@@empressmarowynnhe's your boyfriend, he has the right to fû çk you, and you should obey him.
Weird how easily the proponents of NoFap shift between "porn is ruining your relationships with women because you only view them as sex objects" and "NoFap will get you laid a lot because you'll have to use women to get off".
I don't think porn was the problem.
NoFap cured my blindness, and since the semen had nowhere to go, it went straight to my credit score and now i can buy a boat. Thanks, alt-right tik-tok!
yikes
Nofap cured my hairy palms...now it's cold...
you're welcome 🤗 (I'm alt right tiktok)
your not welcome (I'm alt left tiktok)
I'm so ashamed. I took my nofap boat 24 miles off the coast and the thought of being in international waters made me relapse.
As an asexual, I can confirm that I have telepathy powers, I can perfectly vibe check as I can read all frequencies, and my eyes are radiating light.
Finally some sense
Don’t ya’ hate it when you accidentally reshape the fundamental functions of the space-time continuum because you’re asexual?
@@nuze4047 happens all the time 😮💨
*Dr Manhattan sound*
@@nuze4047 oh yeah, like syke k
Can we talk about how these NOFAP guys are still objectifying women similarly to the porn addicts were described.
Also the incredibly hilarious aspect of the privilege of porn, like people haven't been getting off alone without porn. Apparently if you remove porn from those who learned to masturbate with it, they can't do it without.
Yeah I’ve noticed a lot of guys will hear a critique of watching porn and act like they’re being told not to masturbate. As if they can’t even imagine masturbating without it. Which is kinda concerning.. like a totally natural act has been completely highjacked by porn producers.
Porn is not a privilege if it is easily accessible. Something that destroys the human body should not be seen as some sort of good thing. By the way, they usually won't do it without the porn and even if they did, they wouldn't feel as much satisfaction (I don't know why you would feel satisfaction from destroying yourself). So they would stop masturbating.
@@pseudonamed I mean, Pandas use porn. Most animals respond to visual stimulus to reproduce mating behavior. Before the 1800's, when people lived communally and slept in the same room as families, sex was just a noisy thing adults did at night. Maybe your bias against porn is more about your own preferences; because it exists and is useful in nature to other species and our own.
@@pseudonamedFurther considering that explicit sexual imagery dates back to the ancient city of Urr, pornographers have almost as old of a profession as prostitutes. This shift to porn becoming an industry rather than wall art and religious figures like Pan and Aphrodite (-14,000bce to -4,000bce), joke sculptures of wealthy aristocrats (-4,000bce to -900bce), actual roman pornographic collections (-800bce to 1100ace), and let's not forget all the nudies from the greatest artists of the rennaissance. To denigrate porn is pretty ridiculous to anyone who knows their history. The issue isn't porn; we've had that for literally longer than the wheel. What intelligent people are asking is "why is it becoming a cultural issue now? Has this happened before?" The answer is yes, it has happened before; when christian conservatives seized power in weimarcht germany. Sexual repression soars when christian nationalists take charge, and then they start putting people in extermination camps.
@@CadetSammons It's not bias, most humans for most of history masturbated without access to thousands of videos of sex acts and they were just fine. They had sex and reproduced just fine. We don't need porn for either. Hearing a relative have sex is not porn. Not sure what you're on about pandas.. humans showing porn to pandas has nothing to do with human behaviour.
That whole… subreddit war sounded INSANELY homoerotic.
“They get off on the idea of you losing.”
Just, guys getting off to the idea of other guys getting off.
Uh, yep. That scene is all about orgasm denial so they so get off on it.
So. What is wrong with homoerotic stuff? I think it's beautiful.
@@CarlCoppinger i think it's because it was unintentionally so? not wrong, just notably funny.
@@CarlCoppinger like how puns are most funny when they're unintentional, it's like an extra prize in your cornflakes.
I think it's more gay of that mustache guy to tell young man to beat their meat.
Equating more colorful eyes with greater health totally isn't based in weird racism. Just trust me bro.
*sees a black person*
"Oh no...dead eyes 😢...poor guy better stop cumming"
what racism? can you elaborate?
They ALWAYS go to weird fashy places with this stuff.
@@Bauernadefap=bad, no fap=good, no fap=lighter skin/eyes
@@ladrovilno you're equating whitening with brightening... like they mean their dull eyes/skin brightened not lightened...
“Retaining semen making it rise up into your body” reminds me of “oh yeah women are hysterical because their uterus moves around in their body cavity.”
Body parts and fluids and shit don’t just move around inside your body like that unless there’s something very, very wrong. (Internal bleeding? That’s okay, it’s where the blood is supposed to be)
I am not male yet I know that's not how it works. Have these men ever experienced their own body or read a teenage book about it?
internal bleeding is a myth made up by "big hospital." It's where blood belongs silly
There's not a whole lot of things that the valid response is asking if they passed high school level biology classes, but this is one of those valid ones. Wtf were they doing during biology class?? Where tf would it go? Show on the diagram exactly how it gets there.
@@minni_sung9437they were fapping during biology 😂
Lmaoo, reminds me of when men thought women couldn't get on trains, because the high speeds would make their uteruses fly off 😭😭
What is disturbing is the fact they think meeting women is their substitute for porn, aka they treat women like 'porn in real life', not as actual human beings for a relationship but just to."upgrade their porn experience". 🙄
Exactly, if anything these men's entire persona revolves around attaining women yet the irony is they end up repulsing women via being weird, obnoxious, and arrogant. A lot of these dudes are future incels in the making by their own hand.
That's a pretty bad take ngl
As someone 38 days into NoFap, it straight up isn't like that. It's less your urge for porn is transferred into an urge for sex and it's instead your urge for porn is transferred into an urge to ask your gf how her day was, to talk with her, and that sorta thing.
Although I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people do the former, as far as I'm aware it's mostly the latter.
@@josephjoestar953
Bs. 🙄😆
@@obscurum6shut up bro he is actually making progress while you sit in your room and listen to this Noah guy while jerking off to LonelyFans
A biologist here: it takes no biologist to see how stupid it’s to claim that semen transform and reach your brain
not a biologist here: i’m so sorry you guys have to explain this shit
Noah reuploads my videos for money and views and never has given me credit
not a biologist here: i’m so sorry you guys have to explain this shit
The interesting one is how not masturbating causes an increase in testosterone. In reality, ejaculating causes your body to increase testosterone production for spermatogenesis.
@@2ue iirc it can even help prevent certain health conditions! not to mention the issue of shame contributing to mental health issues
Literally just a bunch of guys who went from defining themselves by their consumption of porn and masturbation to defining themselves by their refusal to watch porn and masturbate. For some reason, it never occurs to them that maybe the answer is somewhere in the middle ground where your masturbation habits, pro or con, aren't your primary personality trait, but rather one nuanced part of a healthy, sexual relationship both with your own body and mind and with other consenting adults.
The answer isn't a "middle ground", because it has nothing to do with dicks. It's called "therapy" and they should go there.
Well, there’s nothing wrong with abstaining from masturbation. I personally do it, būt I’m not in any nofap movement as I don’t find it necessary.
As it pertains to defining yourself by abstinence - I know alchocolics and drug addicts do it and I don’t think that’s pernicious. Just people supporting each other. And sure, like any thing it can get unhealthy. If you talk to everyone who you stopped drinking, you probably should evaluate.
maybe that's part of it, hmm? like the shame and self loathing, of failure, hair shirts and flagellation. the abstinence, a building tension until one can no longer resist, making release, when it at last comes, all the more intense. then the cycle begins again
... did that get anyone there? any broken pledges? y'all still domain masters, there?
Kinda like telling a gambling addict that gambling every once in a while isn't dangerous. Sure, that's true for you, but it isn't for them
There's nothing 'healthy' about being addicted.
Ugh...ok. a few things from a therapist. Masturbation is fine and healthy unless itinterferes with your ability to participate in normal life. Reducing porn use in young people can be good because of unrealistic expectations, lack of consent, and desensitization that can interfere in relationships later on, but this is more of a sex education issue. Biologically, sperm is healthiest when refreshed every 4 to 6 days. Beyond that, the sperm degrade, but this isn't particularly important unless you're trying to get a partner pregnant. Using addiction language for perfectly normal healthy behavior isn't helpful and only increases sexual shame. Everyone should be able to handle their sexual needs appropriately without shame prior to getting into a relationship. Expecting your partner to fulfill every sexual need at any time or believing self deprivation is virtuous is a recipe for resentment and poor sex life. This is just as harmful as purity culture.
agreed. But I also think the way they talk about addiction is the same as how mainstream society views addiction: all or nothing. I think if nofap took more of a critical and harm reductionist take it wouldn't be so toxic. But that's literally anything regarding addiction and conservative thought lol
The only reason why I tried this out at all is because I was in a fundamentalist Catholic community where I was told that I was going to hell if I rubbed one out at all, dared look at a woman a certain way or have sexual thoughts at all unless I confessed my sins to a priest (which I did often) and I even went to the campus therapist because I thought I was “addicted” only to be told there was nothing wrong with me and it was the anxiety, I didn’t believe him at the time and reason that if masturbation was natural then it was spiritually harmful and you shouldn’t do it at all anyways (which is what the mainstream Church teaches anyways, I sometimes used the story of Onan in Genesis as justification) and anyone who suggested otherwise was a hedonistic atheist who shouldn’t be listened to. Because I received basically no appropriate sex ed at all from either my religious family or school (the subject was basically not talked about at all with the former) like so many teenagers and young men p0rn was my only outlet to know about the subject and to deal with my “urges” and I can totally see how unrealistic it can be.
Most of the shame went away only when I started questioning some of the core doctrines after years of cognitive dissonance (which included this topic) and when my faith fell apart I reasoned I was damned anyways no matter what I did now and soon after I lost faith in Christianity altogether, have to say I have a much healthier view to my sexuality now but the antidepressant that I’ve had to take for my religious trauma have lowered my sex drive but they’ve helped otherwise.
@@heldversand religious fundamentalist/extremist thought as well, when I was told stuff that contradicted what my church said about this topic (don’t do it at all or you’ll go to hell) I dismissed them as hedonistic atheists who shouldn’t be listened to, while using the story of Onan as justification, but I guess the repression I went through is one reason why one of my therapists thoughts I was very much in a cult back then.
@@monus782 That sounds like a long road, I'm glad you're feeling better. You are definitely not alone. I have no problem with religion if it's enriching someone's life and they aren't plagued by guilt and shame for natural human behavior, but unfortunately it is often the exception to grow up in modern religion with a healthy view of sexuality. The war on masturbation within Christian religion is primarily a modern and American thing from what I've read. Sort of a last ditch effort for control as society becomes more secular - claiming natural sexuality is sinful so you need to repent endlessly. It's so toxic. Teens are told any thought is sinful, but once they are married they're expected to make babies at a moments notice and it is often very traumatic. The Nofap stuff might be secular, but it still relies on the idea that you must repress natural sexuality instead of learning how to have healthy sexuality. It's still tired into shame and guilt because most people can't turn it off and will inevitably "relapse". Finding appropriate sexual outlets should be step one when kids go through puberty, followed by building skills to have a good relationship and building self confidence. That's the true path to happy healthy relationships. 😊
@@hkandm4s23one of the people I looked up to in my previous religion once recommended NoFap because it was secular “proof” that what the Church taught about masturbation and p0rn was true (even though in some aspects the churches are more extreme when it comes to this because as you said you really aren’t supposed to do any sexual activity at all until you get married, tell that to a hormonal teenager like I was manipulated during my formative years) and this is probably the only thing I’ll never forgive my previous community for because of how much it messed me up for around ten years and for some time I felt like I missed out on so much for nothing (which contributed to the depression that was starting to get worse until recently).
Thank you for those words of encouragement and although initially I was afraid of the side effects the medication has lifted most of the depression and I’ve felt more at peace for the first time in a pretty long time, I think I’ve managed to get rid of most of the shame I had but I can’t say the same for others who may have left more strict groups which makes me grateful for what I still have.
I'm a therapist, and a recent enough graduate that I remember going through school with therapists that talk a lot about 'porn addiction' and 'anti-masturbation' research, which always ended up being some incredibly dubious, non peer reviewed or straight up debunked research funded directly by extremist Christians. Truth is, there is no peer reviewed research in the fields of mental health that avoiding masturbation has any positive effects. It just causes more nocturnal emissions, your body has to expel the stuff somehow.
Your body expels it by itself by having wet dreams... the topic at hand isn't generally masturbation it's porn. Porn literally alters your brain.
I was part of an extremist Christian community (one of my therapists called it a cult even) during college and I was made to believe I was “addicted” because according to their theology you’ll go to hell the moment you even start having sexy thoughts at all or look at a woman a certain way unless you confess your sins which I did often for years.
For that reason I went to the campus therapist only to be told there was nothing wrong with me and it was the anxiety, I didn’t tell him about my religious background until our very last session but I didn’t believe his advice at the time and I reasoned that if masturbation was natural then it must be spiritually harmful so you shouldn’t do it at all anyways, that’s how deep the cognitive dissonance went. When my faith finally fell apart over a year after graduation I figured I was going to hell no matter what by that point so only then did all the guilt finally went, I wasted about a decade of my life feeling guilty over what’s perfectly natural and it may be the one thing I’ll never forgive my previous community for.
I’ve read that for example FightTheNewDrug may have connections to the Mormon church and somebody in my denomination did recommend NoFap as secular “proof” that what they thought was correct about masturbation and p0rn, it’s insidious and all based on outdated theology probably meant to control members sexuality.
yeah, Noah talked around it but I kinda wish he would have more directly mentioned how the concept of "porn addiction" is dubious and generally does more harm than good-it's really just weak impulse control and a patriarchical view of women. that's why the nofap guys haven't gotten over their "addiction", bc they got better impulse control but still see women as sexual objects.
absolutely. 'Porn Addiction' is used by certain people as the explanation behind any number of things from marriage issues to lack of sleep, when in actuality it's far more likely that an increased interest in pornography is a symptom of unhappiness, in say, a marriage, rather than the cause. @@tzkbb
Ur retarded🗿
Nofap is literally like being vegan in the Scott pilgrim universe to these guys.
Specifically for people that thought Scott was in the right in the first page
I think its kinda funny that nofap guys assume that woman don't have Fun with theirself
lolol it's the biggest thing dudes ignore when they talk about porn
Very rare is it that women who enjoy porn ever get acknowledged. Likewise when people talk about NSFW content I feel like male sex workers and male-focused NSFW works don't get talked about much either.
Granted, it seems to be the case that men are more likely to watch porn than women. Or at least that's what people report. But even still those aforementioned things feel often absent from the conversation.
@@nicelight7794 yea, smth smth fault of the patriarchy
Yeah. Girls can be NoFap bros too.
That's how Carrie unlocked her mind powers. Her brain was filled with lady-semen, which is actually twice as potent as gentlemen-semen.
@@tevenpowell8023 i lived moast of my teenage years being a nofab girl (due to low sex drive in general) and i had to break It so i would not become so powerfull
The objectification of potential partners that goes with nofap has always been deeply concerning to me. Sexual frustration has made people do irrational and dangerous things
People? You mean men. 😂
women like sex too mate@@ARS-fn6px
could make the same point about being a sex addict
I’d argue that porn and sex addiction (which is really what ‘no fap’ refers to) contributes to more negative behavior than just plain ol sexual frustration. regular and well adjusted people don’t get dangerous and irrational just because they’re horny it’s because of other issues that take more than just jerking off to address.
@@ARS-fn6px I was trying to be gentle with the wording, but yes 😅
They claim it increases confidence to ensure that they get people who lack confidence. Apparently, those are the easiest people to trick.
This observation is so simple yet so smart
okay I'll admit it. I laughed entirely too hard at the no-fap jesus joke.
Saying no fap will "force you to go out and find a woman" sounds like sex addiction to me
for real. the way some of these guys describe it makes it sound straight up rapey too. "you will go out and try and find someone or do something to get [those urges] out" 🚩🚩🚩
Noah reuploads my videos for money and views and never has given me credit
@@ville__ if you're making these kinds of videos. You don't want credit. Get out of the manosphere my guy
@@mgalusicit’s a bot
@@ghoultooth that would explain why they claim plagiarism from a channel with no content
The first blonde guy is so funny. He did this random thing *and went to the gym* and he puts them on a equal level.
he also clearly was litterally grpwing up bc his before pic looked like a 17 yr old
he's lying
@@macun8424and puberty also happened 😂
True himbo
@@someusername4129yeah I don't think most girls are prepared for an actual himbo 💀 people just call hot guys himbos. That's a real himbo. Hot body, no brains.
As a kink positive feminist with a history of religious trauma, I see nsfw content + masturbation as being a different topic from misogyny. You can certainly use one to make the other worse, but there are plenty of misogynists who see women as objects without watching nsfw content. (Consider the fundamentalist obsession with ‘pure’ women.) There are healthy and unhealthy ways to interact with kink, it all depends very heavily on respect and communication.
Additionally if anything in your life ever feels like you do it compulsively and are distressed about doing it, seek help for addictive style behaviors.
As someone who was part of a very conservative Catholic community who’s also dealing with religious trauma I totally second what you said, only reason I tried this method at all was because I was told I was going to hell for having sexy thoughts at all and looking at women a certain way unless I confessed my sins to a priest (which I did often).
During that time I was pretty hostile towards feminism as well not because it threatened me as a man but because I saw it as a threat to my deeply held religious identity (mostly because of abortion) and flirted with some Manosphere ideologies, mostly the Men’s Rights crowd. I was also misogynistic enough to believe in complementarían theology and to believe that women not only couldn’t be priests but also had no right being anywhere close to the altar, I guess in that regard I fit the NoFap crowd perfectly back then.
I have a question regarding you being a kink positive feminist. do you think that there are certain kinks that are always misogynistic no matter how much respect and communication there is? For example, do you think men beating or degrading women is okay if it’s consensual?
@@keirak.3125 I think people can enter kink from an unhealthy place in their lives. I think shitty people can have kinks. These things are both true about people entering completely vanilla relationships as well. I don't really have any particular interest in shaming specific kinks, because that would mean speaking over people and trying to construct a specific narrative around a preference that could come from lots of wildly different places.
When done between mutually consenting and respecting partners, it's playing pretend, like playing a video game. Sometimes you want to play a super violent video game with lots of gore - that doesn't mean you actually want to hurt people in real life. (Again - there are people who play violent video games who are violent in real life, but the specific video game a person plays does not determine whether they're a violent person or not. That is determined by them being a violent person.)
I also think a lot of people tend to ignore the feelings of masochists when trying to point to 'abusive kinks', without understanding the conversations and negotiations around what kind of scene they want to experience that masochistic people typically have with their partners. Genuine consenting masochists (ie not anything seen in 50 Shades of Grey) have specific wants, goals, and needs. The kink isn't simply imposed upon them without their input.
I've found that the comic book Sunstone by Stjepan Sejic best expresses what a lot of people like me wish more people knew about people with kinks, so I usually recc it in this sort of conversation.
Given I as an agnostic atheist (born and raised 😉) my preferred porn is mostly written word it's so funny how religious people have been supporting that preference because good girls should read and history is a safe subject free from feminists (Fabio's frends disagree)
People are absurd
@@keirak.3125
If it's not about gender but mutual enjoyment of power play? Sure but I'd recommend working through past trauma with a therapist before risking a scene like that.
How do you feel about men doing that to each other?
Many "benefits" of nofap may be a consequence of guys not being ashamed of themselves. Seriously, just not being ashamed is a huge confidence boost.
I started going to the gym, eating more protein, sleeping regularly, and stopped touching my winkie and now I’m shredded and well-rested. Thanks nofap.
I’m happy to be the 69th like on this b8
Weird how I can do all that and still crank my hog. Skill issue on your part.
Bro said he gets lots of sleep protein and goes to the gym and is now shredded and well rested then thanks no fap for it like what
@@sir_chavi1548 yeah, by no fapping the semen reincarnated into healthy skin complexion, REM sleep, higher metabolism, meditation, and so much more. Simply not wobbling the wobbler let’s one steady the mind and soul. Thanks nofap.
@@sir_chavi1548It's surely sarcasm, guy can't make so many positive lifestyle choices and then decide all the positives come from not cranking his hog
As someone who did No Fap for an entire year, I can guarantee you it did absolutely nothing lmao
Actually fixing the problems in my life and taking care of myself (which I did after starting masturbation again) was what helped me. Porn compulsion is bad, but I feel like people use it more of an excuse or a cure-all, rather than a symptom of a bigger problem.
I jerkit at least once a day. Sometimes I'm too tired and busy and forget a day but usually it's once a day at least. My life is wayyy better than most!
@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 maybe that's the strat lmao instead of no Fap it's Full Fap 😂
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342that’s great. I jerk 2 to 3 times per day. And I keep edging for 2 to 3 hours, playing porn games.
The only reason why I tried it at all was because I was part of a religious community that may have been a cult where I was told I would go to hell if I rubbed one out at all, looked at women a certain way or had any sexy thoughts at all unless I confessed my sins (which I did often) which created some sort of reverse psychology where by being told to not think about it it made me obsessed instead.
My longest streak was a month and the stuff mentioned here didn’t happen at all (but even back then I didn’t buy most of the claims) and what was driving my urges was all the shame and repression that I had for about a decade by then, it only went away when I left the community and stopped believing in Christianity entirely as I figured that by being an apostate I was damned now no matter what else I did. Play Highway to Hell during my funeral.
Don't you Miss that feeling of freedom from this evil activity?
Anecdotally speaking, fapping and random hookups as a gay guy actually helps me filter out a potential future partner. I'm already getting the sex, so I'm not pursuing a relationship just to have a convenient outlet. I pursue a relationship because we have things in common and mesh well.
Random hookups as a gay guy, what could go wrong?
🤮🤢
@@molasorrosalom4846nothing if you’re safe about it homophobe
@@molasorrosalom4846 Oh my god, i just realised what you mean.
EXACTLY.
That way you can know better if youre even interested in the person or if you're just horny.
the whole "if you don't fap, you're gonna want to go out to actually get women"
is actually scary.
because, if you're on a diet, what do you tell yourself when you just *have* to have a burger etc? "i deserve this. i've been so good" right??
and these men, who barely see women as people, just going out to "hunt" women for their pleasure, thinking "i deserve this, i've been so good" because for some reason they don't want to fap or get professional help?
that SCREAMS rape.
yall are already comparing not fapping to not having FOOD at home.
that's not a want, that's a NEED.
people do crazy shit to have their basic NEEDS (addictions included) met.
The police need to keep an eye on these people, i'm serious.
Nofap really feels like a scapegoat for straight men to avoid being open and honest about their unhealthy views on women. Patriarchy is the invisible monster in the room while men and women alike put the entire blame on pornography (not the industry but the porn itself)
Speaking from my experience it’s also a tool that can be used to control the sexuality of people in extremist religious movements/cults like I was in my late teens and early 20’s and the only reason why I used it was because I was told I was going to hell not only if I rubbed one out but also if I dared look at a woman a certain way or had sexy thoughts at all unless I confessed my sins (which I did often), didn’t really buy into most of the other claims but it contributed to the repression I was going through as by some sort of reverse psychology by being told to not think about it I was thinking about it more
yeah, it’s also such a passive form of self help. as someone who’s been in substance recovery there’s way more to it than just not shooting up or smoking, and i assume it’s the same for other addictions. you have to take action and find somewhere else to put that part of your brain or you’ll just get addicted to something else (coffee and cigs for me, maybe for some nofap guys it’s the gym or orthorexia). or somehow maybe that ties into what noah was talking abt towards the end w/ needing to actively unlearn misogynistic behaviors. idk i feel like that’s related to what you said abt patriarchy. they’re trying to do something about it but within the established system, which of course isn’t going to do anything.
This is so damn accurate. Talking to no fap guys online, a lot of them will say things like "I couldn't talk to a woman without thinking of having sex with her" and even had one guy telling me he found himself feeling attracted to female family members, including a teenager. That he had to go no fap because he hated looking at them that way. I have some sympathy for this guy, he didn't want to feel this way after all, he was taking pretty desperate measures not to by denying the sexual parts of himself altogether. This was obviously just a way of ignoring the deeper problems that are obviously there, but guys like him don't really understand what those problems are or how to fix them. They can only turn to celibacy to try to cut off the symptoms. What they need is therapy
@@maxmfpayne whenever i see nofap guys talk about things like that (uncontrollable taboo sexual thoughts) i wonder if they have OCD and don’t know it. obviously i’m not a doctor but i have it as well and one of the things i struggled with as a kid was very distressing NSFW intrusive thoughts about others. the cutting out masturbation could easily be considered a compulsion if it’s done to stop the intrusive thoughts. OCD is one of those disorders that flies under the radar very easily because of how hard it is to open up about that stuff, and realize that it’s not really what your brain wants, it’s just trying to torment you.
@@gays4holtby110 wait, OCD can do that? I'll be completely honest I'm ignorant when it comes to OCD, I don't know much about it.
The way my jaw dropped when they started talking abt it rising to your brain and transforming… it’s not like stem cell therapy wtaf r they talking abt
The sperms give you secret powers now
Hahahahaha 😂
Porn literally changes your brain so yeah they can feel their brain changing.
For REAL- Basic biology: your body needs to get rid of it, like sweating or using the toilet- it's called a "wet dream". Sheesh these guys are gullible! There used to be a myth that self pleasure caused blindness- how are they all so deaf , dumb, And blind? Lol, poor dopes...or dupes, I mean dudes....or maybe duds....🙄
I love how insightful this comment section is. There are some really thoughtful points and opinions here, I'm really glad that we've been able to cultivate this community :))
keep it up, y'all!
It's important to cover this issue in a way that doesn't push these guys deeper into fringe communities. As an unattractive and awkward woman, I sometimes find myself shifting towards these types of ideas not because I think they are right but because normal society laughs at me when I stay inside and laughs at me when I try to rejoin society. I like the way you, Jarvis, and Hasan cover these issues and it has really helped me and likely plenty of others who feel helpless and alone.
To be fair, the guy saying his eyes look brighter is not crazy. When you live an unhealthy lifestyle, eat poorly, don't exercise etc, a side effect can often be dull, sunken eyes. It's often a result of malnutrition and dehydration - very common among drug addicts or the chronically ill. Not masturbating is unrelated, but he did say that he changed his lifestyle, starting eating better, exercising, and so forth, so he's probably not imagining it and his eyes did in fact actually become brighter.
Yeah, dude hasn't quite made the correlation/causation link yet. Maybe you look and feel better because you got healthy, not because you ain't jackin' it.
That dumbie thought it was for not touching his genitals
Yuuuuuuuuup
@@hollandscottthomas Well technically not ejaculating means you are retaining more nutrients, which would then in turn more healthy. Pretty hard to disagree.
@@chadsprothats not how it works
I had a friend who randomly got super passionate about no fap, and I told him that unless it's disrupting his day to day activities (i.e. an addiction), it's a natural thing that's GOOD for your body. He still went on with it but that's also when he started sending me snaps of him taking random girls home - a new one every day. And I told him it felt kinda gross that he was doing that, like human consumerism. And he got upset at me 🤷♀
I don't blame you for voicing your opinions. If I was one of the numerous girls he took home each day, I'd feel used...I'd much rather just use a tissue and a book then a living, breathing human
Noah reuploads my videos for money and views and never has given me credit
Fine to take a different girl home every night, but it doesn't seem to have any connection to pleasure.
@tristanband4003 I get that that's your opinion, but it's just the thought that this person's friend is using women as a substitute for p*rn is concerning. It's still feeding his addiciton, but he's using others in the process. If he just wanted the company of a woman without sex, that's fine, but if sex was the end goal, that's really morally questionable.
@@ChelseyCunningham Not necessarily. There are no shortage of women who seek no strings attached sex as well. The problem is only if one party is engaging the others on false pretenses. Which unfortunately often prevails. There is no "addiction" here. Porn is fine too. Sex addiction is a myth; some just have a much larger appetite for sex, erotic fantasy, and stimulation than one self.
As for what this person is doing. It's not even really about getting off, so much as it is about getting notches in his belt and increasing his imagined or real status among men.
I used to have a really bad *corn* addiction. It was really bad and affected my intimate relationships.
After transitioning I started to love my body more and have a healthier relationship with my body and my sexuality and the need for *corn* just evaporated.
For me personally, just addressing those core issues that *corn* used to fulfill was enough to overcome my addiction.
I don't know all the issues that men deal with but I hope that they can learn to have a healthier relationship with their bodies and overcome their addictions as well as developing a healthier relationship with their masculinity.
Yep, sometimes the issue is mostly inside and ure just filling a void with something else
Noah steals my content for money and never has given me credit
porn
Nofap is okay if you’re doing it cuz you’re literally addicted, but masturbation isn’t inherently bad. Doing it in moderation is healthy.
masturbation isn't the problem porn is
A good moderation is about once a month or less tbh.
@@thisisaloadofbarnacles7729 right
But ultimately ull hop back on watching corn which is obvious
@@terisewolf5042 huh
The worst part of no fap at least in my perception is that way too many of their followers think any sexual behavior that is done without a partner is something unhealthy- when its like the opposite (in normal quantities since literally everything is addictive)
I thought the no fap community allows people to masturbate, except that they have to do it without watching porn. Also, most of them usually relapse due to wet dream anyway. You usually experience wet dream after quitting porn for about 3 weeks.
@@banquetoftheleviathan1404 exactly, nothing is really the products fault, anything that doesn't instantly kills you is and should be consumed without guilt.
The problem is consuming that recklessly.
It's very unhealthy. Also, you can't use the argument of "just use moderation" when it comes to pornography and masturbation for the same reason you can't use it for drugs like cigarettes and cocaine.
Just found this channel. Its so good to see a community of people against social media mainstream stupidity. Im not sure how much of the topics you cover about wild ass men are mainstream thoughts by weird guys but theres too many wack jobs
6:48 Ich freu mich schon auf die StarWars Stories, ich habe diese schon vermisst, habe dich vor drei Jahren entdeckt und habe die Stories gesuchtet, und jetzt habe ich wieder Vorfreude auf deine Videos. Danke sehr für den kommenden Content
No fap is always like “I started eating healthy working out got myself on a healthy positive routine and got my life in order. But all the benefits to me are from no fap”
The logic behind it is that instead of spending hours watching porn, I can spend that time doing something productive to benefit myself
@@tytytyty5659 most dudes aren’t spending hours on porn. The average time on phub is like 15 minutes. That’s probably not what’s stopping you from hitting the gym or learning a new skill
@@tarettime9392 sorry to break it to you, some people spend hours consuming porn media. That includes porn games, porn comic or normal porn. Some people even spend hours watching porn livestreams, or some of them spend hours finding perfect porn videos.
@@tarettime9392 A lot of people in the nofap movement are former addicts. Do you think can the average addict only spends 15 min a day on doing that? For guys who feel lonely and lack purpose in life, something that is super pleasurable and can be found two clicks away, can quickly turn into something toxic and uncontrollable.
Going to the gym is in a way the complete opposite to this. It's a temporary pain you must endure to hopefully become more happy with yourself in the long run. If you constantly program your brain to seek out instant gratification activities, these long-term gratification activities becomes more difficult to pursue, hence why one affects the other. That is also why a lot of young people today struggle with their attention spans and can barely read a full book (myself included) because of TikTok and other high-dopamine habits.
I just think it's so dishonest of this guy to just hand-pick the most ridiculous people of the nofap-movement, so he can ridicule the whole movement.
@@tarettime9392 The typical practice of Christian Nationalists like the smoothbrain above is to blame all of their flaws on a random target from their mother goose with jesus book, then give all positive credit to their death-cult. This way, they evade any responsibility for their actions or life, blaming "sin" and begging their false god to forgive them for the sins they made up.
Seems to me we’re just talking about addiction - which needs a lot more care than finding a replacement fix (I think you said something like that to a couple of the examples).
Thanks for talking about it, fascinating stuff 💙
SO YOU TELLING ME MFS OUT HERE CREAMPIEING THEY OWN BRAIN
As a woman who doesn’t consume porn I am baffled that for so many men masturbating= porn. Like how is no fap a solution for porn addiction? Is it that difficult to fantasize and to have a healthy solo sexual life? Why cant men fap without porn?
We can, these guys are just glued to their screens.
I met one guy like this in real life, these types just grew up too privileged when it came to endless screen time and they just turn watching porn into a lifestyle, even then I would say most of them aren't addicted. They just need to touch grass.
There used to be a distinction between just going pornfree and doing noFap. Although it's generally just easier to quit porn by also abstaining from masturbation for a while because you just can't do it without porn.
that's literally what's confusing me frfr
like, you don't need to pull up xvideos every time you feel like whacking one out 😭😭
thanks to every one for your answers, its insightful
you're right, i think many nofap people are targeting the wrong issue. i don't think masturbation by itself is unhealthy unless you're doing it so often that it interferes with your life. humans have been masturbating for millennia, but instant, constant access to porn is very new. i think becoming dependent on porn is what's causing these guys to feel lethargic and unfulfilled, not masturbation itself. i watch less porn than i used to but still masturbate and i feel better now than i did back then. i will say that anecdotally, it seems guys tend to need more visual stimulation than women do, so completely cutting out porn might not work for everyone, but i think it's worth trying to reduce porn consumption and seeing how that makes you feel before swearing off masturbation forever
The thing that makes NoFap as a general concept seem incredibly suspicious (at least to me, though it's likely I'm not alone here) is that not fapping/looking at corn is infamously one of the initiation pledges of the Proud Boys, which makes some sense in an insidious way because groups like that wants their recruits to be undistracted from the group's goals as well as in a constant state of frustration that they can easily be manipulated into venting through doing something dangerous and violent.
I was part of a Traditionalist Catholic community (Mass done in Latin and ignoring most of the changes that came after the 1960’s) and it was a pipeline towards the religious version of the alt-right for me for several years and the only reason why I tried this method at all is because I was told I was going to hell for rubbing one out at all, look at a woman a certain way or ever had any sexual thoughts at all unless I confessed it to the priest (which I did often) so all of this also applies to people in fundamentalist communities/cults as well.
I understand that the concept in itself can be helpful to some people if they really can’t control their urges or consumption but like you I’m suspicious of most of the other claims and given that I wasted a decade being ashamed of my sexuality because a bunch of celibate priests told us to not even think about it at this point I’m very suspicious of anyone who preaches against any masturbation at all (although I know p0rn can be problematic and I get where some people are coming from with that) no matter their political or religious allegiances.
My question ia why do you want men to be trapped in porn and masterbation
Noah reuploads my videos for money and views and never has given me credit
I don’t know, there are numerous groups and likely places where π^2/6 orn is frowned upon. It’s not like doing nofap automatically makes you a fascist.
Yup!
Thank you for being sane Noah, laughed a lot. Just, thank you.
Noah is a fraud.
I’m so glad someone talked about this. It’s so insane.
I used to watch you religiously the last 2 months of my fentanyl addiction… I’d get high and watch your vids. I’m 2 months sober now and just going back to your channel. You got me through some hard times dude, thank you
Good job on getting sober! Wishing you a smooth road to sobreity!!
Proud of you!
I'm so fucking proud of you, congratulations! I hope you can feel pride as well, for putting yourself first. That's the first step ❤️
Congratulations! Please keep up the good work. I recently lost a cousin to that poison. He had so much going for him but it got him. 😢
congrats man!! thats a huge achievement! you deserve a big ole slice of your favorite flavor of cake i think!
r/nofap and r/gooning should have a psychwar between them and see who can claim the most minds :D
r/nofap is just a bunch of people trying to beat their porn addiction
@@Trainfan4567 very few people that claim they have a “porn addiction” actually do so
I think they should kiss chastely
@@BenDover-lz6is its literally all of the sub
delusional@@BenDover-lz6is
It’s interesting that none of these men are gay/trans/queer. It’s all heterosexual cis men. I’m not sure what that means, but it’s something that’s glaringly noticeable.
It means nothing - at all. The majority of people who basturmate are male born men.
I found this guy only a week ago but man have I been loving this content
I’m always amazed that people say that they started NoFap and going to the gymn and they credit the NoFap more than going to the gymn lol
I cant count how many times ive been approached online by strangers, just straight up asking to hook up, or asking for nudes for money. The actual audacity of men lately. And its always the ones w a suit, looking at their fancy watch in their profile picture. Sorry sir one andrew tate is enough, we dont need clones of him as well.
crazy how straight guys think they can convince literally any woman to become their personal sex worker
So Onlyfans isn't empowering?
@@molasorrosalom4846….. why would you assume she’s on OnlyFans? Do you assume ALL women you see in public sell nudes on OnlyFans? Sounds like you need a good therapist.
These kind of online spaces are really frustrating, I was with someone for a while who I believe had a very unhealthy relationship with porn and it was harmful to our relationship, and was damaging his life. He was trying to be more healthy with porn consumption and it was very hard to find support, he didn't want to go to therapy as was too embarrassed so was trying to find help online. These spaces are pretty toxic and don't help people who actually want help.
Seriously I laughed my ass off just by the thumbnail, you deserve 3 times the subscribers wtf
Wow you are easily entertained
I think that for many people it's healthy to quit porn. But for *every single person* it's not healthy to get your health tips from Tiktok.
Yeah man for sure I have struggled with watching it too much over my life and it got to the point where i couldn't even get hard and was hard to finish when WATCHING porn... it was the frustration of knowing i could be out meeting people and the fact it was just wrong i guess. I think completely stopping forever is dumb but like trying not to do it every day is great! Don't watch porn now but every now and then... bust one out haha
Yeah, the main issue is the alt-right, evangelical and/or redpill ideology that is always grafted to this kind of content.
The only sane take in this entire comment section.
@@jasebaz9941 can't drop an insane take like that and call others insane bruh
You can quit regular porn and just move to a less gross kind of porn. Even just moving to OFs where independent SWers have more agency over their content.
People are entirely too comfortable on the internet.
yeah, let's bring back embarrassment for some people.
One of these men is a local politician for one of the smaller parties where I live in Canada. Utterly terrifying that any political party would put him in a public leadership position when he clearly has no grip on reality or science.
Noah having the best takes as always
I think NoFap is stupid but promoting masturbation without porn isn’t a bad thing, especially given the link between exposure to sexual violence and committing sexual violence and how violent porn has become. Not saying you’re bad if you do but it’s not a bad thing to stop.
EDIT: people asking for sources I’d suggest reading “Pornography the production and consumption of inequality”. I’m sure you can find a free PDF somewhere. It isn’t on me if you’ve made a position on something without doing YOUR due diligence
Just watch nice porn lol
I agree
Tf are you talking about "how violent porn has become" that's more of a self report than anything. That type of stuff has always been out there for those who wanna see it, and the vanilla regular porn is still just as plentiful as it always was
@@loveableheathen7441violent porn has become mainstream, to the point vanilla porn is considered "weird" somehow.
@@loveableheathen7441 hardly a self report I’ve read whole books on this it’s just true. The majority of porn since it was written erotica heavily features violence against women, or are you claiming an inherently misogynistic society managed to jump straight to ethical pornography?
Things like this are indicative of what I think happens all the time in groups of people. *Something ironic, or false, or even funny is spoken about and treated seriously or as if its true and at some point, somehow, even in the minds of the people who don't really buy it, it becomes functionally real and serious and internalised.* It is a collective pretend so thorough, that it is almost indistiguishable from reality. Then of course, very quickly, you get the people who do take it seriously because they're not "in" on the joke/irony. Its quite concerning. Its the root of so many historical social and intellectual problems.
So true, keep wanking people
As the intellectuals say, "memeing too close to the sun." 😮💨
Pretty sure thats how the flat earth movement got big
@@TheBanana93 or how jedis became one of the top religions in the uk on one census
In this case it's a subconciously held belief. Like some of these people are lying, but I read up on sexualities in the Dark Ages in Europe and they believed these same things, which they got from the Ancient Greeks. Facists have also used this as a form of control.
noah's voice is so soothing
love the first guy who said "yeah I started doing no fap and going to the gym consistently, now look how ripped I am" yeah man, maybe because you were going to the gym!
no fap tiktok is crazy😭
It is important to note that for most people masturbation is combined with pornography which are two separate things which today's societies combine into one. Masturbation is a healthy body process while the real issue everyone in nofap is fighting is pornography addiction and the social effects thereof. But at least this brings us all this gold tiktok content. I can confirm I canceled my internet contract after quitting cause I could communicate with everyone telepathically. Hell, you are witnessing it right now, this comment is written directly from my brain.
8:49 holy shit, this guy went to my high school, the clips there are him giving speeches in classrooms and the commons during lunch😭😭😭 I was a freshman when he was a senior (I’m a junior now) and he had a whole “motivation club” and shit, now I still see him in target sometimes lmao. He’s an interesting dude but it feels so surreal seeing this dude and my high school in a video from a youtuber I love
Isn't there a whole thing about how if you don't masturbate a little as a man your risk of testicular or prostate cancer increases? I swear I read that somewhere, but I didn't have the equipment to be concerned about it for myself
Yes, plus masturbation for any sex has positive mental effects and helps relieve stress, etc. The idea that masturbation is unhealthy is a weird toxic masculine thing
@@kanjonojigoku8644 I used to assume people just talked about it because of porn addiction. Which i understand, especially when decent sex ed isnt as common as it should be.
But now i think people legit saw the NNN memes and thought, "oh this is real" and went along with it
No masturbation does help battle prostate cancer (that wont even matter that much) but not beating it doesnt cause it
@@miguelccorreia4576 there is so many lies about it, and weird "sperm makes men strong, its the male essence" fascist talk its honestly so bizzare and entirely based on missinfo
how do yall make this political, yall are pathetic@@kanjonojigoku8644
the dead eyes thing bothers me as an autistic guy. I look blank minded very often, no matter who I look at. It’s just my expression, & obviously not everyone stares like that because they’re autistic, but it makes me worried that I make people uncomfortable
Don't worry about what these people say. they represent a vocal minority of real people in the world. Sometimes, I see the worst shit online and develop the mindset that this exists in real life too until I go outside and realize that the insane things I see online is harder to find in real life. Clearly, they weren't thinking about autistic people when making that list which is a massive oversight. If someone makes a judgement on you based on your expression then that's on them.
I was told I have a "resting bitch face" and that it makes me unapproachable. It's just my face. I'm conscious that it may make people uncomfortable but I'm okay with that. People who know you see past it.
people who talk to you, get to know you wont be uncomfortable because of that and will love you the way you are. saiki pfp i love you
I was born with Aspergers and I was thinking the same thing during her whole speech.
I know she's just making stuff up but it did legitimately make me feel bad about my eyes.
I feel you bro. I'm on the spectrum as well. I think the point of what the woman was saying though is all of those traits combined are the problem and porn addicts tend to have at least a couple of those traits. Even though you can have a couple of those traits and not be addicted to porn, but that's the problem with internet discourse generally I guess.
theres a difference between dead eyes and blank eyes imo. i think the autistic "blank" look is more faraway than "dead", like you're there but maybe your thoughts are also somewhere else. the dead look is more like whats there is only thinking about how to use me, very objectifying. now, autistic guys can also be "alligators" looking at women as meat instead of "deer", but anecdotally i can tell you it is different, i've seen and felt both gazes from both autistic and non-autistic people & men. if you look at women/people with interest and curiosity, if you see their personhood and respect it, they can tell, even if your face is "blank".
This is brilliant I'm crying hahahah.
"semen content" lmao
I'm already stumped on the first one, "I started nofap (and also started going to the gym), now I'm big and gained confidence on myself" like....
The superpowers they say they get from not orgasming are so fascinating, particularly since there are scientifically proven benefits to a healthy amount of masturbation, especially for those of us who menstruate
A non-negligable part of people practicing nofap are not dogmatic about masturbation and are clear about the fact that the real issues is when couple with corn. Also Idk about the US stopfap comunity but in the french one they're all the spectrum of the gender, no reason it's not the same oversea. Also if you choose make your opinion on a caricatural video made for entertainment and not objective information, you could easily mock any group.
@@Franken5teinMadness your problem if you read my comment as a judgement, but I can and will judge anyone who spreads harmful rhetoric anyway 🤷🏻♀️
The way some of them talk is literally like porn is the only thing keeping them from assaulting someone, and that's scary. Also, 13 times in two days on a "relapse" should be clear that you have issues that no fap won't solve. That's crazy.
“If this works for you go nu-- uh, go crazy.” got a laugh from me
it restores a bit of my faith in humanity that a group of men focus on self improvement in this way, especially the part where one guy wanted to have a more healthy/normal attraction to women
Ngl the fact that no one thought of a middle ground is wild XD
like I'm demi (branch of asexual but I do feel sexual attractions and desires just in extremely limited circumstances) and my partner and I dont engage super often and love looking at smut and shit XD
I think the issue is using in excess, I like the NoFap community vibe and how they're really encouraging to eachother, very wholesome, I wish addictions could be treated like that more often
but masterbating in excess or even using porn in excess... or even not doing those things in excess when theyre vitally important to you can be extremely damaging
like obviously someone who has no sexual drive or limited one isnt gonna be bothered by a lack of self pleasure, but someone who has a high libido or very strong sexual desires can be very psychologically damaged by not self pleasuring
I think of it like dieting, going vegetarian is totally valid, if you already arent a fan of meat then being vegetarian aint gonna bother you, but if you're anemic or love meat or have a restrictive ED (which I do have one), then becoming vegetarian can put your life at risk or at minimum cause psychological and financial damage
An interesting thing that could have been mentioned is analyzing how an overarching force causes the negative experiences women have with men: misogyny and patriarchy basically. This impacts porn in a large way and said porn makes men act a way that the woman in the TikTok describes. However, as you say, that behavior doesn't necessarily stop when the porn stops. That would be an important challenge to NoFap crowd is to break down porn addiction as a piece to breaking down patriarchal attitudes.
Porn doesn't make men act ANY way, men act the way they want to act, then find excuses for it. DOn't help them
That’s why the “dead eyes” think seems like it’s made up. Men have literally always done that when they objectify women so it seems so odd to suddenly pin it on people who watch porn when you know for a fact they have been “dead eyed” by a man who doesn’t have a porn addiction before.
the way these nofap guys talk about masturbating is so reminiscent of the kinda shit i used to hear on ed tumblr. the misinformation and shame/guilt is insane
Can we go back to that era in the 2000s where beating it was actively encouraged because some rando said it reduced risk of prostate cancer and we just accepted it into our belief system for like 8 years
NGL, this is making me wanna try it. These niggas out here reporting superpowers.
Try it. I didn't know how much I craved pornography before I tried the challenge. Never got it past 7 days.
Regular masturbation has been shown to be a protective factor against prostate cancer. Someone should warn these guys.
Nah, statistically speaking, it would be better for the economy, crime rates, and international relations if we just let natural selection play out here.
@@CadetSammonsyou people are psychopaths
I remember the first times of no nut November. I though it was a joke from people with some humour.
I only realized like 2 or 3 years ago that people take this very seriously, and I'm still very confused just thinking about this fact...
Nobody is taking it seriously bro its just a challenge
just say you have no friends?
@@islixxn what are you on about mate
@@islixxnbestie people have different friend grps 😭
Noah reuploads my content for views and never has given me credit
I used to live somewhere with pretty much zero privacy, even in bathroom/shower. The only change I ever noticed after long periods between "completion" was a yellow tint to the byproduct the first time or two.
You're killing me with "the maidens" 😂
This means "succubus fear" is gonna re-start, right? Can't wait to see what adding succubus mythos to Weird-cel culture will produce.
the older and more mentally healthy i become, my relationship with masturbation follows suit. these people are in absolute denial that they're depressed, addicted, what have you. they're addicted and if cold-turkey works for them, that's fine! but i question if they're on the right path when they make a movement out of it, using pseudo-science and shaming tactics to get other people in on it. you're not gross or bad for being addicted to masturbation-- your brain is susceptible to addictive behaviors and you need something less destructive that will give your brain that juicy dopamine. therapy, medication, and not falling into extreme behaviors when you're overcoming an addiction. tread lightly!
-sincerely, a recovering love/sex, alcohol, and nicotine addict.
Edit: Also, I commented this under someone else's post, but stop blaming sex workers for your addictions and behaviors. The problem isn't consensual, "violent" porn between two, consenting adults. The problem is sex education being lackluster and unavailable throughout our developing years. This is like saying you should ban video games or WWE because they promote violence. It's silly and this rhetoric harms sex workers. You're putting the blame on sex workers and taking it out of the hands of the *actual* offenders. We are not responsible for teaching you about sex, your parents and educators are.
Part of me wants to belive that those making hyperbolic and bombastic claims about the benefit of nofap are using a pitch tactic that draws attention, and then they count on their audience in the comments to make more down to earth testimonies in the comments.
At least I hope that there no where nears as many people believing that nofap will unlock superhuman powers as their are people claiming it will for clicks and views.
I want talk about the issue of "violent" porn, I have heard enough concern from the sex work industry that the "consensual" part of that can be a gray area that has bad outcomes for many.
But I will say I agree it does no good to blame the sex work industry for your own lack of self control.
Very good comment, I especially love the Edit you added. A big component of this nofap movement (not from everyone, but it's noticeable for sure) is a disgust or hatred for people who make sexual content, namely for sex workers, especially female sex workers, though it also extends to say NSFW artists. It's quite obviously connected to long-standing misogyny and sex negativity that's rampant in our society. The oh-so-quick and normalized act of labelling these women as "whores" and "sluts" and dismissing their humanity, often implying that they surely have "no self love," using their existence as an excuse to go on rants about how "women live life on easy mode," etc.
And so much of that could be alleviated if we had more comprehensive and sensible sex education. The kind of sex ed that doesn't just stop at basic anatomy and a brief overview of some other things and then just leaving it there, but rather the kind that is willing to get into the details of consent, what healthy sexual relations should look like, how key communication is during the act, etc. The big problem there is there's a few too many people who either naively don't recognize the value in that being widespread, or you have those who actively *don't* want that to be a thing, which is maddening. We need more people to advocate for this, we only stand to benefit from more people in society being well informed on such a key component of the human condition (not ignoring asexual folks when I say that either of course, they'd benefit from it too).
theyre not wholly to blame sure but sex workers are definitely PART of the problem lmao Onlyfans is incredibly predatory to begin with, like legit prosititution would genuinely be better for these guys than getting on the internet and being bombarded with half naked women begging for money and telling you theyll be your gf for enough. 😂
@@Taylor-bw4zg and guess what the addict could just ignore them. just don't click that simple
Omg this perfectly sums up what I‘ve been thinking too!
My relationship with masturbation has become healthy this year… like I‘m not ashamed to be a human anymore!
Man, that "dead eyes" thing kinda got to me, because I just kind of... Look like that. Like that's just how my eyes are. It's more than a little worrying that people might think I'm just gooning all the time
I don't think you should worry. That dead eyes comment (as other commenters have pointed out) seems a bit ableist and innacurate
Don’t worry. I’ve noticed a few people in the comments not really understanding what she meant by this (granted the wording isn’t the best but in her defense there also really isn’t a word for the look she’s talking about) as someone with a resting “dead” face and who has experienced both the expressions that she is talking about and that the comments are talking about, they are two different looks. The dead stare that she is talking about is hard to explain tbh if it’s not something you have experienced other than saying that it’s deeply unsettling and predatory like the intent of the person is palpable. It is true that some people do get offended by regular dead eyes for their own personal reasons but it really is nothing like the objectifying, disgusting look that the girl in the video is talking about
Their is a difference between the dead eye look and having dark circle/bags its not about how your eyes look like its about how you look at women like I hardly doubt your starting at women with wide eyes
I NEED MORE GOONER / NOFAP DRAMA
I know the beef is so obvious but it's my first time hearing about it.
I've noticed that a lot of things that are based off of men's insecurities or tailored directly to those insecurities, always go off the deep end. They start out with something that's like "oh this might actually be good for me!" To "oh my god how did I end up here." It's really scary that some guys believe some of these harsher ideologies and possibly think their less than because of it.
If somebody ever mentions the pineal gland in any situation, it's 99.99% guarantee it's some quackery
I find it interesting that you've progressively taken a more patient and charitable approach to the way you argue with these manosphere-adjacent circles. It honestly makes the content better and more insightful.
I actually, don't. They don't deserve this sympathy, men have been getting it for centuries, they deserve the fucing wall
Oh bud I felt that at the end. I wanna see the vids you want to make
This was a great one, Noah. Well fucking done!!!
I find the movement fascinating, because it combines a bunch of things that you would not expect together. The idea that retained semen can travel up (the chakras) to be transformed (into the nectar of immortality, i.e. amrita) is an early medieval Indian idea, found in countless tantric and yogic treatises. These texts also describe how the "hero" (vira) becomes irresistably attractive to women due to this practice. The ultimate goal here can be liberation from rebirth, but more often than not it is "supernatural powers" (siddhis). So here we have basically word by word an ancient Hindu/Buddhist practice, embedded in a belief structure that involves things such as chakras and superpowers, being promoted by conservative Christians (!) and being celebrated by often rather irreligious young men with self-esteem or mental health issues as a form of alternative therapy in late capitalist Western societies where the social structures that the early Tantric authors intentionally tried to challenge and overcome, have withered away, leaving young people with a great sense of insecurity. It becomes even wilder once you realize that the only way those ideas could have ended up where they did is through movements such as theosophy and later the hippie movement, again very far removed from both medieval tantra and contemporary right-wing evangelicalism.
For what it's worth, those ideas are also still prevalent in India and have become more popular again in recent years, due to the rise of hyper-masculine Hindu nationalism, as well as increased internet access rates and the popularity of new online gurus, but the narrative framework tends to be more closely linked to medieval predecessors and couched in a more openly religious or spiritual framework than its Western counterpart - at least for now. As proving that "ancient Indian wisdom" is "scientific" and most importantly was scientific before the West was is a central aspect of Hindu nationalist ideology-building, studies similar to the ones shown in the video are also being conducted in India and are cited by local proponents of semen retention as evidence just as much as those studies are by Western nofappers. So I assume those groups will increasingly mix and mingle and that might decenter the movement, making it less white and less Christian.
ahhhhh...the comment that got me excited! yes, agreed, spot on. Also, I don't think these New age/pop spiritual ideas are going anywhere - throughout our history we dragged those archaic religions that were flexible enough with us into the now 21st century, while we built new ones on the ashes of the dying Orthodoxy and Catolicism, but we never stopped ''believing''...could it be that there's an innate God spot in the human infant's psyche?
It's fascintating to you because you're a man and are not a victim of the violence this mindset breeds. Have some fucking tact
I didn't really know this.
From my understanding no flap came from an a Japanese 17 rated manga where the guy had to keep it in for a month or the world would end. Though its funny because it was in july not November.
Those beliefs are garbage. Just made up stories.
I wish these dudes could figure out that the 'gainz' one realizes from nofap have nothing to do with not 'fapping'. Those are just the results of sticking with something and realizing that you CAN do things if you set your mind to it. Would have had the same results if they made a commitment to go to the gym regularly (or something else entirely, it doesn't have to be physical fitness) and followed through on it. Having confidence in yourself is absolutely wonderful, and clearly _is_ something that many young men struggle with.. they don't need nofap nonsense to get there though :/
Completely agred. NoFap is just part of their journey to a healthier (?) life, and breaking bad habits could also be quitting smoking for example. NoFap doesn't turn them into superhumans
14:58 a lot of this is just anti porn and anti sex worker. The problem isn't porn, the problem is most (but not all) men, especially cishet men, don't see us femmes as Human regardless of whether they masturbate or not.
The way the talk about sex when you do no sex is scary like what if guys being very horny from not masturbating makes them less aware of social cues indicating a girl is uncomfortable
The conversation about porn consumption and noFap really feels like looking at a symptom of a disease and thinking that it’s the root cause. Porn isn’t the cause of misogynistic behavior, misogyny and patriarchy are. Misogynistic men just gravitate towards porn and then think that’s the issue instead of doing the self work to stop treating and thinking of women as objects. People gravitate to porn BECAUSE it confirms their bias and shows them a world they already believe in, not that it’s changing their minds to suddenly be misogynistic. The issue was there all along, and will be after porn is gone. If porn suddenly disappeared tomorrow there would still be rampant misogyny
I really appreciate your take on this, I will say that this is a very heteronormative understanding of the situation. As a gay man who struggled with an over reliance on porn, this leaves non heteronormative people struggling with similar issues out of the convo. While I don't doubt that misogyny is the root cause for a lot of straight men in this situation, I fail to see how this applies to someone like myself.
Or maybe porn shouldn’t exist and nobody gets objectified and misogynists don’t have any arguments.
@@mlee-w664 thank you for pointing out that blind spot, I seriously missed that and I’ll edit the post to include more detail. Something that goes hand in hand with patriarchy and the misogyny rooted therein, is the idealization of power. Power is seen as what truly makes a man a man, whether in business, politics, or the household. This bleeds into the porn industry, where it creates almost a feedback loop of consumer demand and then industry fulfilling that demand. I do think that the current porn industry has a huge issue with abuse, power dynamics, actors being pushed to do things they do not wish to, and there can be issues with consumption for some people. I think that for those who end up with consumption issues, there becomes a dependence on the dopamine and serotonin release, leading to a compulsive behavior pattern. This can happen for a myriad of reasons, but the root cause still isn’t the porn itself. It could be many things, such as past trauma, issues with serotonin receptors in the brain, neurological predisposition to addictive behaviors, or it could be psychosocial as well. When it becomes a compulsion it is often good to seek out a therapist or outside help. (I’ll add on more later I need to go to work rn)
@@mlee-w664 I think that op’s comment still is relative to queer people, maybe just in not as direct of a way. We live in a very binary male/female society and often the forms of discrimination used against others also fall into those categories (for example gay men bring associated with femininity or black women being associated with masculinity, both of which are rooted in misogyny). So perhaps, when you were watching this content, some of those tropes/ stereotypes would show up and would act in place of the biases that exist in heterosexual content. I’m not exactly sure if this answers what you’re saying or contributes to the conversation much but I’d love to keep the discussion going and hear more about your perspective and experiences
@@balldropper3423people get objectified outside of porn. Porn isn't some boogyman that's the root of all misogyny
"Dead eyes" concerns me as an ableism thing. Some people (like autistic people like me) are not always going to have the "right" expressions. Its not a red flag that someones addicted to porn if their eyes arent expressive. They might just be autistic.
If someone is not getting consent before choking you then fucking OBVS this is a problem. I do think there are a lot of ways that guys who are only thinking of you as a means to an end act (i have experienced this) but maybe lets try to not put up common autism behaviors as signs of "porn addiction" and an indicator that people dont care about you
In general I think that that tiktok offered some good food for thought, but yeah, what you said was one of the concerns I had when I saw the full vid. Looking in the comments of it a few ppl had similar concerns, but I recall someone who claimed to be neurodivergent replied to one of em and said “nah, it's always a red flag, most ppl with those dead eyes lack empathy, are narcissistic or are addicted to something." Thankfully some replies to them pointed out that was an iffy way of looking at it.
yea the dead eyes thing i don't think is something to worry about on its own, its usually when paired with obvious objectification that the connection is drawn. my eyes are "dead" asf but if you still take a genuine interest and have a regard for others trust that they'll realise that's just how you look lol .
Neurotypicals sometimes don’t realise we exist and apply logic that works on neurotypicals onto all of us. It happens in court rooms aswell autistic people can be seen as liars based off body language it’s totally unfair
Same with adhd, we do this. Our brain and eyes start to like defocus and space out and I've met countless people give me raised eyebrows simply because that is basically outside of my control.
Id say its never JUST the eyes, its a combination of other things and also if someone gets to know you, the way you move your eyeballs isnt going to creep them out if they actually know you. The eye thing can be intense only when paired with other upsetting behavior like non concentual acts, and little to no communication, violent behavior, disdainful or controlling behavior. I mean when im walking around i never look people in the eye i dont like eye contact personally but im never thinking about what someones eyes are doing until im in a moment of vulnerability with that person, and if theyre previous actions make that moment uncomfortable for me what they do with their eyes will just stand out as something you remember especially if youre like me and eye contact is very intimate and vulnerable, you dont want to make eye contact if you arent comfortable yet with that person.
So… if nofap means your body absorbs semen and that’s what makes you look amazing and have super powers, then why aren’t they having gay sex 🤔
They could swap super powers :3
Dude you brought a great opiniom to the topic thank you
My doctor says I have a lower libido than normal; NoFap taught me it’s just good genetics 😌.
In otherwords you have low T and are feminine.