Chris are you sure the Terra Speed is not hookless compatible? I was under the impression that only the GP5000 TL was not compatible. Currently running a GK32 TLC /303S as my road mode. According to RR you only loose 2 watts by going to the Conti.
I ride the same tires, they are really awesome. One drawdown for me as a heavy rider (220 lb) is, that they wear down so fast. The tire on the back has almost no knobs anymore in the middle, after just 620 miles.
For the budget minded people the Giant Contend AR 1 is an excellent alternative. I just couldn't justify such an expensive bike. My aluminum bike with my hyper 50mm rims weights 8,4kg in road mode which I find astonishing. In gravel mode it weighs just about 9,5kg. Considering that I paid 1350€ for frame and groupset (sold the stock wheels to the store) it's a complete bargain.
Thats what I did in december 2021.Was in search for a giant Revolt Advanced with in a Budget on 3500-3800 Euro max. But my bikeshop didn't have something in this range in stock. Also no bikes in sight up to july 22. Only a contend ar 1 in stock with 105 11speed. So I made this Deal with him. The bike without Stock tires for 1400euro. A Set of giant cxr2 carbon wheels with 37mm wtb Riddler, xt rotors and 11-36 sram cassette. Also the zipp 303s with cadex race 28mm tires, 11-32casette,xt rotors and a slightly used Praxis zayante carbon crank 48/32 from a showroombike.. Great Deal 👍. Much fun with both Setups. In summary only 3400 Euro spend for a great 2in 1 bike solution. Road setup 8,3 kg, gravel 8,8 with pedals and cages
This is the route I have taken and have replaced 3 bikes with one. I have a Boltcutter High Country that I run with 2x12. I have one set of road wheels that I run with 32c slicks and a set of gravel wheels that I run with 44c treads. I started running a 32c on the road just for comfort and utility and to make the road setup more of an all-road so I can handle rough roads or take a detour if I needed. Plus, as I get older my need (or ability) for speed is less, so I go for utility and making that bike a perfect all-arounder. I used to have 2 road bikes and a gravel bike and now this bike replaces them all. I went from 6 physical bikes to 3 with the capability of 5. I also have a steel Speedvagen Rugged Road that I set up 1x12 but with 35c slicks as my dedicated go anywhere bike without having to swap the wheels out. If I want to go a little faster on the road I'll swap out wheels but gone are my carbon race bikes that probably had me over-biked because face it I'm not that fast anymore, nor was I really that fast to begin with. Plus, I now have more room in the garage.
The cool thing about the Terra Speed is they actually can be installed on hookless rims as I've tried them on 2 different wheels from 2 different manufacturers. Installed the 35 on 24 inner width and the 40 on 25 inner width rims.
Thanks Chris. Great video as usual. What tyre pressure are you running the conti’s out on the road? I will give this a try if I can get some. On my crux, road mode is some 303s with 30c Schwable and gravel mode is the new S works Pathfinders on 303FC. The Pathfinders are an excellent tyre, I have been very impressed. They are 42c but on the Zipp go up to 44mm wide so they are as comfy as anything, proving very durable, light at 420g and are very fast on the road.
Thanks Martin! Wow, that’s pretty light on the pathfinder tire- I didn’t realize they were that light. I’m running between 50-55 psi on road. Seems to feel similar to 60 psi that I’m running on my 32mm tubeless GP5000’s.
Hello, need help! My height is 180 and I look at size 54. I noticed that your frame size is 56, what is your height and foot size and what about the Tire to Pedal Spindle? My foot size is us9
Great video. Very thoughtful. I have an Argon 18 Dark Matter that I am using for gravel, commuting, and occasional road rides (broken roads, winter road riding). I upgraded to Zipp 303s with the idea of seeing if I could do everything with GK 38s. That worked ok, but I am now experimenting with two wheels - the Zipps with WTB Expanse and HED Ardennes with Challenge Gravel Grinder 38s. Still too early to see if the two wheel set is worth the hassle. I will try the Terra Speeds at one point; seems like I may be able to do it all with them and just one wheel set.
Thanks Rick! Interesting combos you have there. You may be able to do it all with the 40mm Terra speeds as well. Looks like the rolling resistance is only another watt.
@@outdoorbros_ Thanks. I just looked at Zipp’s official hookless compatibility chart and didn’t see the Conti Terra Speeds on there. They do seem a great all around option. Were you able to confirm hookless compatibility somehow?
I've got a Specialized Roubaix on order which I'm intending to use for road and light gravel. However thanks to shipping delays I've been waiting nearly 3 months for it. I have a set of 40c Continental Terra Speeds for gravel and a set of 34c Vittoria Corsa N.EXTs for road. I still prefer an XC bike if I don't need to go on the road. Had the Corsas as the road tyres on my last gravel bike and they are superb. I've heard the Terra Speeds are an excellent tyre but they wear quickly if used on tarmac.
I'm using the new Pathfinder 700x32 tires from specialized in my Roubaix, and it's a pretty good all-rounder. My first road bike had a 23c, then 25c and now I'm at 32s (because I can't fit a 35c). Not so comfy in loose gravel at descents, but for my use, mainly in crappy roads, it is probably the best choice. Slick center thread and low profile side knobs, not as heavy as 38s.
I’ve taken my Crux to Europe a few times (from Australia) so only take one wheelset. I’ve always used 33mm cx tyres for single track, gravel and (mostly) road. The Trigger with a sawtooth tread was excellent all round but the 33mm Tracer is pretty quick on road and has better grip offroad. 50psi for road, 30-35 offroad.
Phil, good stuff! I had a set of sawtooth tires on my Chisel a while back- awesome tire that performed really well. Also, you’re running around the same pressure I’m running on these tires. Seems to be a sweet spot.
Crux Geometry & Tire clearance checks most boxes specially for a fit rider. Something that keeps specialized special. A fully integrated cable version could be in the making.
My gravel bike that I ordered back in 2020 finally arrived this month, originally it was supposed to be my bike to try road, gravel and cross. In 2021 I bought 2 different road bikes though and have been riding road ever since. Ended up getting a Norco Search XR A1 which was a decent entry level bike as I was getting into cycling, now that I've gotten into racing a Crux or something would probably make more sense but going to ride the Search for a while anyway and maybe eventually use it as a winter training road/gravel bike. It came with non-tubeless Vittoria Terreno Drys, did my first ride on it this week on a mix of gravel and single track and racing it this weekend. Have a set of Tufo Thunderos on order. It looks like they are even faster than the Terra Speeds, I ordered the 40C version but they also come in a 36C, if you feel like trying another fast gravel tire would be cool to hear your comparison on the Terra Speed and Thundero as there isn't a lot of reviews of the Thundero out there. I did read a review that suggested the Terra Speeds were a bit "wallowy" on the asphalt, did you experience any of that? Also comparing the tread patterns felt the Thundero might be a longer lasting tire in rocky or hard pack terrain, it may pack up in sticky mud worse than the Terra Speed but not sure it would be any good in the mud either.
@@outdoorbros_ Yeah I haven't tried the Terra Speeds myself yet but they were locally available. The main reasons I went with the Thundero instead was 1) the minimum psi for the Terra Speeds is higher than the recommended pressures I should run for conditions and body weight by the Silca tire pressure calculator. 2) In XC tires the Race King and Cross King are known to be a bit fragile, seeping sealant and losing lugs quickly, wondered if the Terra Speed durability may also be left if using a similar compound. 3) That review that suggested the Terra Speeds were a bit wallowy. Gran Fondo did a big group comparison but didn't feature the Thundero, they did suggest a few weaknesses though of the Terra Speed granfondo-cycling.com/continental-terra-speed-review/ couldn't find the review the described the wallowy thing but they did describe them as bobbing...
I haven’t done much testing, but my theoretical physicycling indicates non-scientifically that the optimal do-it-all setup for me would be a Campagnolo Ekar equipped gravel bike with a 10-44 cassette and 42t chainring. Mind you, I’m not particularly fast nor do I contest sprints. Gravel wheels and 38mm Rene Herse slicks would be my choice but I’d be open to try other tires. In the real world, however, I would at least need two separare wheelsets. My local roads are fairly rough, but nothing a 32mm tire can’t handle. My trails are super bumpy and I often long for a 650b wheelset with 2.1 tires, which I still have on my wishlist.
Great video! I have similar setup with my diverge tho I used a 40C in the front just for some security in loose socal gravel. Plenty fast but I feel the life of the tire might not be that long. But definitely worth it
@@outdoorbros_ may i ask how often do you change tyres? I am not a pro by any means, I just enjoy riding on week ends and i just want to know how long road tyres usually last.
hey bro, i emailed Continental and they told me that you can run the Terra Speed on the 303s hookless rims without proboem. All Conti tires that have a max pressure on the sidewall that is lower than 5bar work on hookless they told me. It is just for tires that have a max bar of more than 5bar that require special hookless specification. I have some terra speed on order to put on my 303s. i have friends that already use them on hookless. hope that helps! i can forward you the email from conti support if you want :) Cheers
I bought 3 different bikes in the last 6 months. Trek Top Fuel 21, Crux Comp 22 & Trek Emonda SL6 Disc 22. I find myself wanting to ride the Crux more then the others especially I just up graded to a second set of carbon rims (Bontrager Aelos Pro V) with much more aggressive tires for off road & single track. Next upgrade will be the drive train. But yes it’s a great bike!!!!
Yeah that's why I swapped the G-one bite of my Grizl for the Terra speeds right after I bought it. I figured if it has black chilli, it has to be fast!
Hi Chris, Have you tried the S-Works Pathfinder for the "all road" tire? I've been riding it for a month and it is really phenomenal on both road and trails. It is lighter than the Pathfinder Pro too.
Hey J, I haven’t tried it, but have heard nothing but positive results from friends. I actually considered getting a set of 38mm Pathfinders recently- I’ll have to revisit them.
Considered those, heard they are a great tire for sharp rocks like Unbound. The S-works version is out of stock for Specialized Canada though. My LBS has a set of the Pathfinder Pro 42s in stock but ordered a set of Tufo Thunderos to try instead. Hopefully will arrive next week but not in time for this weekend's race!
Sorry if I missed any mention of sizing, but I am trying to figure out what size Crux I would buy. The size chart indicates a 56 for my height of 178cm, but I usually ride a 54. For a diverge the size chart indicates I am between 54 and 56. Any thought on sizing and if the bike runs smaller than other brands/models?
Hey Chris - when you run two wheelsets with the same bike I presume you use two different cassettes - do you use the same chain for both? I've ordered a set of road wheels for my Open UP for a one-bike solution, and I'm aiming to have a 11-33 for the gravel and a 11-28 for the road. Do you think I can manage with one chain?
You might be able to, although it won’t be 100%. I’m running a 10-36 on the gravel wheelset and 10-33 on the road wheelset. The difference is that I have a 50/37 on the road bike and 48/35 for gravel which makes it about equal… or at least it feels and shifts that way.
I have a 2022 Lauf True Grit Race and would really love to try this combo. I am an old runner, but pretty new to cycling. What all do I need to change out to make this work? Rear cassette? Hub? Rear Disc? Thanks so much for your help!
I found a headshock, magnesium very close weight to the fork in a Salsa Journeyman, too cool. Then I got a leafspring seatpost shock 4-axis, lighter than 4-sping models, less cost, too cool. Full suspension is better on dirt, less tire width to act as suspension, more like cross widths, using maxis 32mm, it's way less a body beater, better brake & skid English. Good vid, we'all soakin' it up 🍺
Hi Chris! Nice vids pursuing same quest on my own: the most polyvalent set up. With terra speed 35s , which type of gravel do you ride? I m on gravel and sand here and a 35 is sometimes no enough comfortable on long rides. Thanks
I didn't follow why you average less power on the Crux Vs the SL7 unless you just don't pedal as hard? Any losses (air resistance/rolling resistance etc) would be independent of your power.....
I think he means having to put in less effort (pedal less hard) on the road bike with road tires to achieve the same stats for the ride (average speed etc). I.e. it’s more efficient. If I’m riding my Aspero on Gravelking 32s (which measure 35mm on the wheel) with a friend on a road bike running 25 or 28c tires, I like to see what wattage we’re both putting in to ride next to each other, and I’m usually having to produce 10-20W more to do the same speed, and will average a similar amount more over the whole ride for the same length or ride and average speed. Not very scientific but it’s fairly consistent.
Maybe it didn’t come across properly in the video- I meant that my power would have been 15-20 watts lower on the tarmac to achieve the same time/distance result. The Tarmac is just a more efficient bike all around.
Exactly, thank you. It’s not always a perfect science because you’re dealing with so many variables (tires, wheels, drivetrain, aero vs non-aero, different branded power meters, etc), but it’s my best estimate.
Have you looked into the Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass Extralights (35mm)? I've really enjoyed them for road and the occasional gravel ride. Mine weigh in at 318 grams each tire. On the topic of efficiency, it's also worth pointing out you'll probably get slightly more aero drag on the wider tires and shallower rims...but I have no idea how many watts that translates to!
I actually have a set of the Barlow Pass extra lights here and almost installed them instead of the Terra Speeds. Might do so in the future. Oddly, I find that the crux rides better on these 35’s than it does on the 28’s. It’s weird, but I can’t imagine going back to something more narrow.
@@outdoorbros_ I have the Barlow Pass tires as well, and the Terra Speed 35's.....the Barlows are fine on pavement, sand and flatter gravel roads in decent shape. Where they lack is on steeper/chunkier descents and off-camber stuff, as there's basically little to no traction. I recently did a gravel ride on the Barlows with a 7%, mile long downhill, and was crawling down it due to the lack of traction. Conversely, I also have a pair of Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge tires, and they would've handled that part MUCH better (but would have been overkill on pretty much everything else) - so like all things gravel bike, there's a trade off. I'm going to be using the Terra Speeds at the upcoming BWR SD, which I think will be perfect.....just wish I was in shape for it, already had to downgrade myself to the Wafer, and then came down with RS nearly 2 weeks ago and was off the bike for 11 days (still not fully recovered). Ugh.
I don’t hear you address the issue of toe overlap and road bikes / gravel bikes. All good saying you can use road bikes on gravel but toe overlap can quickly give shatter the dream of one bike for both, unless your gravel is basically just hard pack or youre Tom Pidock level bike handler. So what’s the deal with crux vs diverge in terms of toe overlap. And the melee for that matter. Sure I could look at the geometry chart myself but where’s the fun in that.
Hi Chris, thanks for this informative content. I was checking your previous videos and I could not see your set up of your rd and cassette. If you could that would be very helpful for me.
I'm still a two-wheel set kinda guy. There are advantages beyond the tires. I ran the first generation of these Conti tires tubeless and they were terrible... Leaking sealant from literally everywhere... I thought they were awesome the first few rides since I was using them in a similar format -- but, then it all went to hell. I had better success with the Terra Trail.
@@outdoorbros_ I believe they have... There's the word "protection" in the tire's name now... Which was not the case when I bought them -- early adopter problem I suspect. You need to try the Rene Herse Steilacoom 38mm. Best all-rounder I've ever ridden. Crazy quiet and fast on pavement for its size and super gripy on the loose stuff. Give it a go!
I think the rondo bogan is the perfect egg laying wool, milk pig with its ability to take 2.1inch tires. But yeah if you a millionaire this crux is fancy indeed lol
This is excellent and thought provoking content - thanks for sharing! My goal was a one wheel set up but found it too difficult to keep up during group ride (Diverge, Roval CLX 32, Pathfinder 42). I have since purchased a second wheel set for road (CLX 32, S-Works Turbo RapidAir) and made the first set "more knobby" with WTB Raddler 44 and 40. Basically, I did the opposite and tried to book end the set up for both terrain and weather. I do find it interesting non Specialized athletes like C Strickland and D Johnson running Pathfinder 42s. Also, Matt Beers coming in second at BWR on a Crux/Ruobaix tires is worth noting as mixed terrain and less knobs. As always - great vid. Tempted to try and go back to a middle ground tire set up. ua-cam.com/video/8eXRxkcl4eY/v-deo.html
@@jeffreycohen8511 It's a perfect set up... if you don't want a road specific bike. However, you can easily go through half dozen reasons why a road specific bike is the proper route. Also, I bought the CLX 32 wheels from a Specialized employee who recommended the Turbo 28s for the CLX 32 (width).
Having a diverge, and just picking up an SL7 instead of replacing the diverge with a crux, I swear your videos make me challenge my decision…That crux is such an awesome bike!
First, a s-works bike is not the same with a fact 9 carbon bike. My diverge is loads pounds heavier than yours even with the size 35 tires. So no comparison, like your s works is a fact 11 or 10 and is about 3 to 5 pounds lighter so you can use it as an all road bike. We’ll anyway, good talk n vid but for us gravel guys with the cheaper bikes, we’re primarily stuck with just the gravel tires on our bike. Btw, I own the panaracer 38 sk’s on my bike.
Care to comment on your comment?... "Issues with the 303 S Hub"... bout to pull the trigger on these for my SL7... unless there's something I need to know:--)
Questions? Drop me a line.
Chris are you sure the Terra Speed is not hookless compatible? I was under the impression that only the GP5000 TL was not compatible. Currently running a GK32 TLC /303S as my road mode. According to RR you only loose 2 watts by going to the Conti.
Crux Vs aspero pls
Where do you usually ride? I feel like I see a group wearing orange and the camo shorts around OC
Ok it may have definitely been your group then. I was riding with OCV this morning and saw you guys on Alton
@@teamredog2961 based on Enve and Zipp’s current sheets, the only approved Continental tire is the new GP5000 S TR.
I ride the same tires, they are really awesome. One drawdown for me as a heavy rider (220 lb) is, that they wear down so fast. The tire on the back has almost no knobs anymore in the middle, after just 620 miles.
For the budget minded people the Giant Contend AR 1 is an excellent alternative. I just couldn't justify such an expensive bike. My aluminum bike with my hyper 50mm rims weights 8,4kg in road mode which I find astonishing. In gravel mode it weighs just about 9,5kg. Considering that I paid 1350€ for frame and groupset (sold the stock wheels to the store) it's a complete bargain.
Thats what I did in december 2021.Was in search for a giant Revolt Advanced with in a Budget on 3500-3800 Euro max. But my bikeshop didn't have something in this range in stock. Also no bikes in sight up to july 22. Only a contend ar 1 in stock with 105 11speed. So I made this Deal with him. The bike without Stock tires for 1400euro. A Set of giant cxr2 carbon wheels with 37mm wtb Riddler, xt rotors and 11-36 sram cassette. Also the zipp 303s with cadex race 28mm tires, 11-32casette,xt rotors and a slightly used Praxis zayante carbon crank 48/32 from a showroombike.. Great Deal 👍. Much fun with both Setups. In summary only 3400 Euro spend for a great 2in 1 bike solution.
Road setup 8,3 kg, gravel 8,8 with pedals and cages
@@weido20v dude, that sounds great! Have you uploaded this to GCN or something? I really would like to see your interpretation of this bike.
This is the route I have taken and have replaced 3 bikes with one. I have a Boltcutter High Country that I run with 2x12. I have one set of road wheels that I run with 32c slicks and a set of gravel wheels that I run with 44c treads. I started running a 32c on the road just for comfort and utility and to make the road setup more of an all-road so I can handle rough roads or take a detour if I needed. Plus, as I get older my need (or ability) for speed is less, so I go for utility and making that bike a perfect all-arounder. I used to have 2 road bikes and a gravel bike and now this bike replaces them all. I went from 6 physical bikes to 3 with the capability of 5. I also have a steel Speedvagen Rugged Road that I set up 1x12 but with 35c slicks as my dedicated go anywhere bike without having to swap the wheels out. If I want to go a little faster on the road I'll swap out wheels but gone are my carbon race bikes that probably had me over-biked because face it I'm not that fast anymore, nor was I really that fast to begin with. Plus, I now have more room in the garage.
Nice! You’ve thought this out!
@2:01 killer van! gawd that thing is awesome.
The cool thing about the Terra Speed is they actually can be installed on hookless rims as I've tried them on 2 different wheels from 2 different manufacturers. Installed the 35 on 24 inner width and the 40 on 25 inner width rims.
Yeah? Which wheels did you use? This is good news as I would love to put them on the 4.5’s.
@@outdoorbros_ Farsport & ICan.
Thanks Chris. Great video as usual. What tyre pressure are you running the conti’s out on the road?
I will give this a try if I can get some.
On my crux, road mode is some 303s with 30c Schwable and gravel mode is the new S works Pathfinders on 303FC. The Pathfinders are an excellent tyre, I have been very impressed. They are 42c but on the Zipp go up to 44mm wide so they are as comfy as anything, proving very durable, light at 420g and are very fast on the road.
Thanks Martin! Wow, that’s pretty light on the pathfinder tire- I didn’t realize they were that light.
I’m running between 50-55 psi on road. Seems to feel similar to 60 psi that I’m running on my 32mm tubeless GP5000’s.
LBS told me they are coming out with a PF s-works in 38. Holding out.
Hello, need help!
My height is 180 and I look at size 54.
I noticed that your frame size is 56, what is your height and foot size and what about the Tire to Pedal Spindle?
My foot size is us9
Oh man, I’m not sure of the exact dimensions there. I’d double check with a bike fitter.
Great video. Very thoughtful. I have an Argon 18 Dark Matter that I am using for gravel, commuting, and occasional road rides (broken roads, winter road riding). I upgraded to Zipp 303s with the idea of seeing if I could do everything with GK 38s. That worked ok, but I am now experimenting with two wheels - the Zipps with WTB Expanse and HED Ardennes with Challenge Gravel Grinder 38s. Still too early to see if the two wheel set is worth the hassle. I will try the Terra Speeds at one point; seems like I may be able to do it all with them and just one wheel set.
Thanks Rick! Interesting combos you have there. You may be able to do it all with the 40mm Terra speeds as well. Looks like the rolling resistance is only another watt.
@@outdoorbros_ Thanks. I just looked at Zipp’s official hookless compatibility chart and didn’t see the Conti Terra Speeds on there. They do seem a great all around option. Were you able to confirm hookless compatibility somehow?
Hey man love the b rolls. Super smooth video.
Thank you! So much goes in to the b-roll footage- often more than the speaking portion.
I've got a Specialized Roubaix on order which I'm intending to use for road and light gravel. However thanks to shipping delays I've been waiting nearly 3 months for it. I have a set of 40c Continental Terra Speeds for gravel and a set of 34c Vittoria Corsa N.EXTs for road. I still prefer an XC bike if I don't need to go on the road. Had the Corsas as the road tyres on my last gravel bike and they are superb.
I've heard the Terra Speeds are an excellent tyre but they wear quickly if used on tarmac.
I'm using the new Pathfinder 700x32 tires from specialized in my Roubaix, and it's a pretty good all-rounder. My first road bike had a 23c, then 25c and now I'm at 32s (because I can't fit a 35c).
Not so comfy in loose gravel at descents, but for my use, mainly in crappy roads, it is probably the best choice. Slick center thread and low profile side knobs, not as heavy as 38s.
Great setup! I have a friend riding a Roubaix and he’s been doing a handful of lighter gravel rides with a similar setup.
Hi, could you measure true size of your Pathfinder ? TiA
@@gabrieleiaccheri820 Hey, its almost 33mm with 19mm internal width wheels.
I’ve taken my Crux to Europe a few times (from Australia) so only take one wheelset. I’ve always used 33mm cx tyres for single track, gravel and (mostly) road. The Trigger with a sawtooth tread was excellent all round but the 33mm Tracer is pretty quick on road and has better grip offroad. 50psi for road, 30-35 offroad.
Phil, good stuff! I had a set of sawtooth tires on my Chisel a while back- awesome tire that performed really well. Also, you’re running around the same pressure I’m running on these tires. Seems to be a sweet spot.
Crux Geometry & Tire clearance checks most boxes specially for a fit rider. Something that keeps specialized special. A fully integrated cable version could be in the making.
My gravel bike that I ordered back in 2020 finally arrived this month, originally it was supposed to be my bike to try road, gravel and cross. In 2021 I bought 2 different road bikes though and have been riding road ever since. Ended up getting a Norco Search XR A1 which was a decent entry level bike as I was getting into cycling, now that I've gotten into racing a Crux or something would probably make more sense but going to ride the Search for a while anyway and maybe eventually use it as a winter training road/gravel bike. It came with non-tubeless Vittoria Terreno Drys, did my first ride on it this week on a mix of gravel and single track and racing it this weekend. Have a set of Tufo Thunderos on order. It looks like they are even faster than the Terra Speeds, I ordered the 40C version but they also come in a 36C, if you feel like trying another fast gravel tire would be cool to hear your comparison on the Terra Speed and Thundero as there isn't a lot of reviews of the Thundero out there. I did read a review that suggested the Terra Speeds were a bit "wallowy" on the asphalt, did you experience any of that? Also comparing the tread patterns felt the Thundero might be a longer lasting tire in rocky or hard pack terrain, it may pack up in sticky mud worse than the Terra Speed but not sure it would be any good in the mud either.
Dang, your bike rotation is 10/10! I haven’t felt the wallowy feeling on the road- feels fine to me; a lot like the Gravel King slicks.
@@outdoorbros_ Yeah I haven't tried the Terra Speeds myself yet but they were locally available. The main reasons I went with the Thundero instead was 1) the minimum psi for the Terra Speeds is higher than the recommended pressures I should run for conditions and body weight by the Silca tire pressure calculator. 2) In XC tires the Race King and Cross King are known to be a bit fragile, seeping sealant and losing lugs quickly, wondered if the Terra Speed durability may also be left if using a similar compound. 3) That review that suggested the Terra Speeds were a bit wallowy. Gran Fondo did a big group comparison but didn't feature the Thundero, they did suggest a few weaknesses though of the Terra Speed granfondo-cycling.com/continental-terra-speed-review/ couldn't find the review the described the wallowy thing but they did describe them as bobbing...
I haven’t done much testing, but my theoretical physicycling indicates non-scientifically that the optimal do-it-all setup for me would be a Campagnolo Ekar equipped gravel bike with a 10-44 cassette and 42t chainring. Mind you, I’m not particularly fast nor do I contest sprints. Gravel wheels and 38mm Rene Herse slicks would be my choice but I’d be open to try other tires.
In the real world, however, I would at least need two separare wheelsets. My local roads are fairly rough, but nothing a 32mm tire can’t handle. My trails are super bumpy and I often long for a 650b wheelset with 2.1 tires, which I still have on my wishlist.
Good to know. I may need to give them a try!
So far, they’re really solid.
Great video! I have similar setup with my diverge tho I used a 40C in the front just for some security in loose socal gravel. Plenty fast but I feel the life of the tire might not be that long. But definitely worth it
Thank you! There’s so much that can be done with these bikes that allow them to cover a wide variety or surfaces and rides. It’s amazing.
sick set up
Thank you! It’s a blast.
@@outdoorbros_ may i ask how often do you change tyres? I am not a pro by any means, I just enjoy riding on week ends and i just want to know how long road tyres usually last.
@@yijuntey great question. I swap them every few thousand miles as somewhat of a preventative measure. They’ll last much, much longer.
@@outdoorbros_ oh i see ok, thanks!
hey bro, i emailed Continental and they told me that you can run the Terra Speed on the 303s hookless rims without proboem. All Conti tires that have a max pressure on the sidewall that is lower than 5bar work on hookless they told me. It is just for tires that have a max bar of more than 5bar that require special hookless specification. I have some terra speed on order to put on my 303s. i have friends that already use them on hookless.
hope that helps!
i can forward you the email from conti support if you want :) Cheers
I bought 3 different bikes in the last 6 months. Trek Top Fuel 21, Crux Comp 22 & Trek Emonda SL6 Disc 22. I find myself wanting to ride the Crux more then the others especially I just up graded to a second set of carbon rims (Bontrager Aelos Pro V) with much more aggressive tires for off road & single track.
Next upgrade will be the drive train.
But yes it’s a great bike!!!!
Congrats! It’s a fun bike, no doubt. Every time I’m on it, I’m having a blast.
Have you tried the Conti Terra Trails vs the Speeds you have there?
I haven’t. Hopefully soon.
Will this frame work with grx 610 or 820 front derailleurs?
I’m not 100% sure- best to check with the manufacturer.
I find the Cervelo Aspero with 38c Pathfinder Pro tires is a pretty good do it all combo
Seems like a solid setup!
Yeah that's why I swapped the G-one bite of my Grizl for the Terra speeds right after I bought it. I figured if it has black chilli, it has to be fast!
It’s definitely fast- I like it. That smooth strip on the Pathfinders is tempting though…
Hi Chris, Have you tried the S-Works Pathfinder for the "all road" tire? I've been riding it for a month and it is really phenomenal on both road and trails. It is lighter than the Pathfinder Pro too.
Hey J, I haven’t tried it, but have heard nothing but positive results from friends. I actually considered getting a set of 38mm Pathfinders recently- I’ll have to revisit them.
Considered those, heard they are a great tire for sharp rocks like Unbound. The S-works version is out of stock for Specialized Canada though. My LBS has a set of the Pathfinder Pro 42s in stock but ordered a set of Tufo Thunderos to try instead. Hopefully will arrive next week but not in time for this weekend's race!
Sorry if I missed any mention of sizing, but I am trying to figure out what size Crux I would buy. The size chart indicates a 56 for my height of 178cm, but I usually ride a 54. For a diverge the size chart indicates I am between 54 and 56. Any thought on sizing and if the bike runs smaller than other brands/models?
A proper bike fit would answer this question, but my guess is that you’re a 54, based on the fact that I’m slightly 4cm taller and on a 56.
Hey Chris - when you run two wheelsets with the same bike I presume you use two different cassettes - do you use the same chain for both?
I've ordered a set of road wheels for my Open UP for a one-bike solution, and I'm aiming to have a 11-33 for the gravel and a 11-28 for the road. Do you think I can manage with one chain?
You might be able to, although it won’t be 100%. I’m running a 10-36 on the gravel wheelset and 10-33 on the road wheelset. The difference is that I have a 50/37 on the road bike and 48/35 for gravel which makes it about equal… or at least it feels and shifts that way.
Great stuff 👍🤟
How would you say a pair of Pirellies 28 mm on Zipp 303 onboard a Crux would perform on the tarmac ?
Great stuff 💪 how would you say a pair of Pirellies 28 onboard a Crux with Zipp 303 will perform on the tarmac ? 😁
if you have the chance you should try the PWC Dual 5055 wheelset.
This is an awesome review, thank you for sharing
I have a 2022 Lauf True Grit Race and would really love to try this combo. I am an old runner, but pretty new to cycling. What all do I need to change out to make this work? Rear cassette? Hub? Rear Disc? Thanks so much for your help!
Great vidoe can we do same setup for Caledonia or aspero? Crux is really hard to find now.
Thank you! If I had access to a Caledonia, I would. The Aspero is also, unfortunately, back with its rightful owner.
what 9-5 job can make me buy a crux, tarmac, aethos and epic lol haha cool stuff brother!
The one where your daily driver cars cost less than your bikes :)
@@outdoorbros_ amen
I found a headshock, magnesium very close weight to the fork in a Salsa Journeyman, too cool.
Then I got a leafspring seatpost shock 4-axis, lighter than 4-sping models, less cost, too cool.
Full suspension is better on dirt, less tire width to act as suspension, more like cross widths, using maxis 32mm, it's way less a body beater, better brake & skid English.
Good vid, we'all soakin' it up 🍺
Someday I gotta try a Specialized bike. Never been on one.
It seems to be work well for me.
Where did you get that kit from!? Thing is sweet!
Thanks! It’s an older Attaquer kit.
@@outdoorbros_ thanks for the reply 🙏 👍
@@jhonocampo3187 of course- be safe out there.
Hi Chris! Nice vids pursuing same quest on my own: the most polyvalent set up. With terra speed 35s , which type of gravel do you ride? I m on gravel and sand here and a 35 is sometimes no enough comfortable on long rides. Thanks
Do the terra speeds really wear that fast? How much can you ride with them before needing to get new ones?
They've worn okay so far.
I have friends that rode for juniors and Australia mtb and road . Turn up to weekly road serious group rides on a hardtail mtb 🤣
Nice!
I didn't follow why you average less power on the Crux Vs the SL7 unless you just don't pedal as hard? Any losses (air resistance/rolling resistance etc) would be independent of your power.....
I think he means having to put in less effort (pedal less hard) on the road bike with road tires to achieve the same stats for the ride (average speed etc). I.e. it’s more efficient. If I’m riding my Aspero on Gravelking 32s (which measure 35mm on the wheel) with a friend on a road bike running 25 or 28c tires, I like to see what wattage we’re both putting in to ride next to each other, and I’m usually having to produce 10-20W more to do the same speed, and will average a similar amount more over the whole ride for the same length or ride and average speed. Not very scientific but it’s fairly consistent.
Maybe it didn’t come across properly in the video- I meant that my power would have been 15-20 watts lower on the tarmac to achieve the same time/distance result. The Tarmac is just a more efficient bike all around.
Exactly, thank you. It’s not always a perfect science because you’re dealing with so many variables (tires, wheels, drivetrain, aero vs non-aero, different branded power meters, etc), but it’s my best estimate.
Have you looked into the Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass Extralights (35mm)? I've really enjoyed them for road and the occasional gravel ride. Mine weigh in at 318 grams each tire.
On the topic of efficiency, it's also worth pointing out you'll probably get slightly more aero drag on the wider tires and shallower rims...but I have no idea how many watts that translates to!
I actually have a set of the Barlow Pass extra lights here and almost installed them instead of the Terra Speeds. Might do so in the future.
Oddly, I find that the crux rides better on these 35’s than it does on the 28’s. It’s weird, but I can’t imagine going back to something more narrow.
@@outdoorbros_ I have the Barlow Pass tires as well, and the Terra Speed 35's.....the Barlows are fine on pavement, sand and flatter gravel roads in decent shape. Where they lack is on steeper/chunkier descents and off-camber stuff, as there's basically little to no traction. I recently did a gravel ride on the Barlows with a 7%, mile long downhill, and was crawling down it due to the lack of traction. Conversely, I also have a pair of Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge tires, and they would've handled that part MUCH better (but would have been overkill on pretty much everything else) - so like all things gravel bike, there's a trade off. I'm going to be using the Terra Speeds at the upcoming BWR SD, which I think will be perfect.....just wish I was in shape for it, already had to downgrade myself to the Wafer, and then came down with RS nearly 2 weeks ago and was off the bike for 11 days (still not fully recovered). Ugh.
I don’t hear you address the issue of toe overlap and road bikes / gravel bikes. All good saying you can use road bikes on gravel but toe overlap can quickly give shatter the dream of one bike for both, unless your gravel is basically just hard pack or youre Tom Pidock level bike handler. So what’s the deal with crux vs diverge in terms of toe overlap. And the melee for that matter. Sure I could look at the geometry chart myself but where’s the fun in that.
That’s a solid point! I’ll consider that for future videos.
Hi Chris, thanks for this informative content. I was checking your previous videos and I could not see your set up of your rd and cassette. If you could that would be very helpful for me.
Glad you find it helpful. I have a sram force rear derailleur, 10-36 cassette.
Based on this and your love for the crux and aspero....why not try a caladonia with 35s.....
Can you add a FD to the crux?
I'm still a two-wheel set kinda guy. There are advantages beyond the tires. I ran the first generation of these Conti tires tubeless and they were terrible... Leaking sealant from literally everywhere... I thought they were awesome the first few rides since I was using them in a similar format -- but, then it all went to hell. I had better success with the Terra Trail.
Yikes, doesn’t sound good at all. Maybe they’ve revised the process and produced a better tire 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
@@outdoorbros_ I believe they have... There's the word "protection" in the tire's name now... Which was not the case when I bought them -- early adopter problem I suspect. You need to try the Rene Herse Steilacoom 38mm. Best all-rounder I've ever ridden. Crazy quiet and fast on pavement for its size and super gripy on the loose stuff. Give it a go!
I think the rondo bogan is the perfect egg laying wool, milk pig with its ability to take 2.1inch tires. But yeah if you a millionaire this crux is fancy indeed lol
Hard to beat the price point of the Bogan… no disagreement there.
@@outdoorbros_ just that it was like a couple hundreds cheaper a year ago... But yeah that's like a norminal thing by now. 🤪
Drop bar cross country mtb bike, do it all. Trek caliber w/drop bar😅
Now we’re talking!
Watch in slow-mo around 3:09 and you can see a third calf muscle starting to peek through. #Power
Hahaha. 👀
This is excellent and thought provoking content - thanks for sharing! My goal was a one wheel set up but found it too difficult to keep up during group ride (Diverge, Roval CLX 32, Pathfinder 42). I have since purchased a second wheel set for road (CLX 32, S-Works Turbo RapidAir) and made the first set "more knobby" with WTB Raddler 44 and 40. Basically, I did the opposite and tried to book end the set up for both terrain and weather. I do find it interesting non Specialized athletes like C Strickland and D Johnson running Pathfinder 42s. Also, Matt Beers coming in second at BWR on a Crux/Ruobaix tires is worth noting as mixed terrain and less knobs. As always - great vid. Tempted to try and go back to a middle ground tire set up. ua-cam.com/video/8eXRxkcl4eY/v-deo.html
whats been your experience with the Diverge/turbos?
@@jeffreycohen8511 It's a perfect set up... if you don't want a road specific bike. However, you can easily go through half dozen reasons why a road specific bike is the proper route. Also, I bought the CLX 32 wheels from a Specialized employee who recommended the Turbo 28s for the CLX 32 (width).
Having a diverge, and just picking up an SL7 instead of replacing the diverge with a crux, I swear your videos make me challenge my decision…That crux is such an awesome bike!
You made the correct decision. The Diverge is a far more capable and comfortable gravel bike. Enjoy it.
@@JordanHMay just sold my Diverge for the Crux Expert but would agree with you but I was just looking for the "one" bike solution.
@@teamredog2961 I use my diverge for road and gravel. It’s a great one bike. I’m sure the crux will also serve you well. Enjoy!
First, a s-works bike is not the same with a fact 9 carbon bike. My diverge is loads pounds heavier than yours even with the size 35 tires. So no comparison, like your s works is a fact 11 or 10 and is about 3 to 5 pounds lighter so you can use it as an all road bike. We’ll anyway, good talk n vid but for us gravel guys with the cheaper bikes, we’re primarily stuck with just the gravel tires on our bike. Btw, I own the panaracer 38 sk’s on my bike.
Really? The general concept seems applicable to most gravel bikes.
Care to comment on your comment?... "Issues with the 303 S Hub"... bout to pull the trigger on these for my SL7... unless there's something I need to know:--)
I think they’re fine, just a minor issue with one of the pawls in the rear hub. Took the shop all of 90 seconds to fix.