How the Same Team Drafted Busts #1 and #2 Overall
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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In 1992, the Indianapolis Colts had BOTH the #1 and #2 overall picks in the NFL Draft. Neither player they picked worked out in the NFL. Here's the full story...
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CHAPTERS
Intro 0:00 - 1:05
Team Context 1:06 - 4:15
1992 Draft 4:16 - 5:39
Pick No.1 5:40 - 8:10
Pick No.2 8:11 - 11:01
Aftermath 11:02 - 15:37 - Спорт
Steve Emtman showed a lot of promise, but couldn't stay healthy. When he was on the field, he was great.
Exactly. A "bust" is a guy who can't play at that level, or who could but is lazy and/or otherwise distracted and falls far short of expectatoins. Steve Emptman was a good young player with a work ethic and his head on straight before both of his knees were badly torn up on that awful Indianapolis fake turf. It ruined his career.
@MarkMay-cr6bv A "bust" can also be someone who is injury prone. The best ability is availability. This is why Steve Emtman, Charles Rodgers, Ki-Jana Carter, and Brian Bosworth are all considered "busts."
@@RonnieM90 Yes, but there's a difference between a guy who is actually injury prone, which usually translates to brittle bones or soft-tissue injuries, and a large man who was never injured in college but then tore up both kness on that horrible Indianapolis aritficial turf. Steve Emtman had bad luck and it cost him his career. He was not "injury prone" and was not a bust.
@MarkMay-cr6bv He is considered a bust. Look up the biggest busts in NFL history, and he will usually pop up on the lists.
Steve Entman was NOT a bust. He was a good player before he was injured.
1991 Indianapolis Colts were so bad. Washington's Kicker Chip Lohmiller led the league in scoring with 149 points, more than the entire Indianapolis Colts team (143).
Kickers are usually leading scorers.
@@patmccormick9972but not more than a whole ass team
😶 insane stat
Tbf to the '92 draft class, Smith & Woodson absolutely belong in the Hall.
In 1958 the two players drafted are the following:
Stuart King Hill: A bust. Had a 37/71 int ratio but it was to 50s where the passing game was starting to become popular, but he also was a bad rusher. He was a better punter but not a great one. He spent 11 seasons in the NFL.
John David Crow: He was WAY much better. He has 5000 rushing ads, 38 rushing yards, 3700 rec yards and 35 rec tds. He was a 2x all-pro and a 4x pro bowler. Spent 11 seasons in the NFL.
To conclude, the Cards were successful and not successful with their first two draft picks.
The Cardinals have been the Cardinals (inept) for a long, long, long time.
I still remember Emtman's pick 6 off Marino to end the game his rookie year.
That was great
This video is how I learned the Colts and Rams owners once traded teams (???)
Facts
and both teams helped each other out through the years
Colts traded for Dickerson
Then later, Colts traded Faulk to the Rams
Through the years they have also traded a number of lesser known players to each other
Guess it pays for the owners to know each other a bit more than usual.
Lots of trades happened between them
Of course one can also argue that the Colts have historically sent a LOT of players to Atlanta
(QB Jeff George, WR Andre Rison, and tackle Chris Hinton. All very high draft choices.
They'd also trade many others over the years including some players indirectly (suggested to the owners by the Irsays? such as Chris Chandler going to the Rans briefly then later to Atlanta (both teams were major Colts trading partners)).
@d0nKsTaH The Colts and the Eagles also seem to have had a relationship recently. I remember the Eagles traded Wentz to the Colts but still continued paying his contract. Plus, Sirianni, the current Eagles' HC, used to be the Colts' OC. Also, Steichen, the current Colts' HC, used to be the Eagles' OC.
This happened in the nba too the Celtics and buffalo braves (the now la clippers) traded teams cause the Celtics owner wanted to have a team in California and moved the braves to San Diego shortly after
@gagemartin7207 The Celtics ended up becoming one of the most successful franchises in the NBA. The Clippers not so much.
I'm the second round, another team had back-to-back picks: the Cowboys took WR Jimmy Smith at 36 and SS Darren Woodson at 37.
Woodson was arguably the best player in that draft class (certainly the most decorated).
Jimmy Smith had a bumpy transition to the NFL, which included undiagnosed appendicitis, undiagnosed surgical infection from the appendectomy, and a lengthy legal battle with Dallas to keep his salary and health benefits during his recovery. After returning to the NFL with the Jaguars following a two-season recuperation period, he amassed 7 straight 1,000 yard seasons and 9 in 10. He retired with 862 receptions for 12,287 yards and 67 TDs.
Edit: I really should have watched the "aftermath" section of the video before commenting, sorry. 😅 I'm keeping the comment up because the Jimmy Smith story is so wild it needs to be told.
If only the Cowboys had kept Smith ....
@@kevinbowen6182 As an Eagles fan, I'd rather not think about that. Although, the Eagles briefly had him on their practice squad during his recovery before dropping him, so they missed out as well.
Darren Woodson should be in the hall of fame
Give the Texans some credit, its not easy to crush one first round pick, let alone two.
^^^
Still too early to say they crushed it. So far so good but either/both players could end up an injury prone mess over the next few seasons and be out of the league before you know it.
@@unkledoda420 if you get two good years out of a draft pick you HIT
I wouldn't call these guys busts if it was physical injuries that affected their game.
A "bust" can also be someone who is injury prone. The best ability is availability. This is why Steve Emtman, Charles Rodgers, Ki-Jana Carter, and Brian Bosworth are all considered "busts."
To me a bust is someone who fails to live up to expectations, added by the casted shadow of who was drafted after them.
Hakeem - Exceeded expectations and probably the most athletic center of all time. Drafted over Jordan. No one considers him a bust.
Sam Bowie injures and failed to live up to expectations. Drafted over Jordan. Biggest bust in history.
I wouldn’t call either of these guys busts. They were good players whose careers ended early with injuries.
If this was a WHAT IF movie these two were Alvin Mack and Steve Lattimore from the movie the Program
Damn alright Darian I see you on SRS good shit man.
YES SIR!!!
00:49 King Hill got drafted 1st overall lmao
Im a Steelers fan...if Quentin Coryatt holds onto the INT in the 4th quarter of the 95 AFC Title game in Pittsburgh, the Colts go to the Super Bowl. The Steelers would end up scoring on that drive to take the lead and ultimately win....but if Coryatt holds onto the INT.......its game over, Colts win.
Colts had several chances to end that game.
Kordell Stewart running out of bounds and back in bounds for a catch that wasn’t flagged also helped.
That was a crazy run by the Colts that postseason.
@@jonmcclane7433 That, cough cough, never happened....lol. It was the TD Catch wasnt it?
@@mspionage1743 I remember when they went into KC and won I thought the Steelers had it made. But then I remembered what happened in 1994 and the fact that the KC team Indy beat was coached by legendary playoff loser Marty Schottenheimer, the man Bill Cowher learned under, and I began to worry.
Fun Fact - I am a Steelers fan, but I dont give Cowher all the love others do....The win over Indy was his ONLY AFC Title game win at home. He went 1-4 at home in AFC title games.
the colts had 2 top 5 picks a couple years later… mel kiper is just as qualified as my neighbor who’s a postman
I agree. In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information. He only predicted the first pick correctly. Everyone knew Bryce Young was going first.
It’s unheard of for a DE to finish that high in the Heisman voting today? Aidan Hutchinson says hi.
DOUBLE BUST
Didn’t know you were a nfl draft fan too.. I thought the voice sounded familiar
Selecting Emtman at #1 was a no-brainer. At 295 lbs., he had a 39" vertical and would windmill dunk in basketball pick-up games. Phenomenal work ethic off the field and an iron man on the field at Washington. The injury bug, however, hit him in the pros. Very unfortunate.
Had a solid rookie season with 3 sacks and a pick 6, but too many injuries to build off of that!
Emtman was also a Heisman finalist at DT in college as well. A total monster. Wish injuries didn't happen to him in the NFL
Coryatt was so good in college though I don't blame the Colts for making the pick.
not to mention during that time stopping the run was everything in everyone's mind. Having a stud defensive tackle and stud linebacker was the way to go back then even if it seems foolish in hindsight.
I wouldn't say he was a total bust in the NFL, he just didn't quite meet the expectations.
It sounds like the coaches problem
Due to injuries, Steve Emtman and Quentin Coryatt weren't nearly as big at being busts as two players who were essentially "traded" for each other since teams traded draft picks and they were the team picks: Desmond Howard and David Klingler. The Bengals had the #4 pick after Emtman was #1, Coryatt #2 and Sean Gilbert #3 with the Rams. Washington decidedly wanted to get Howard, but knew Green Bay intended to draft him at #5. Consequently, they gave the Bengals the #6 pick and the #28 pick for the #4 pick and a swap of 3rd round picks. Washington took Howard so Green Bay drafted Terrell Buckley at #5 while Cincy took Klingler. Miami ended up getting Troy Vincent at #7 who had played at Wisconsin.
No. A bust is someone who either can’t play or someone who has issues and doesn’t work at it. Any player is susceptible to injuries which could end their career, it shouldn’t be a reflection on their character or natural ability. It could happen to anyone - injured players should NOT be lumped together with actual busts.
But, unfortunately, that's not reality. A bust is a bust even if it's injury
@@jonathanrupert5592 no, the word “bust” has a connotation of failure due to a lack of character, a la Ryan Leaf or JaMarcus Russell. “Bust” is a slang word, not something with a definition out of the Oxford English Dictionary. The injured player failed due to no fault of his own, so we can choose to call him something else.
@tonydejesus2134 no a bust is a bust. Like it or not. RG3 is a bust
@@jonathanrupert5592 you seem not to have read or understood what I wrote, nor do you have an argument against it other than a meaningless tautology.
@tonydejesus2134 I read it, and you are just wrong. You say "we can choose to call him something else" but fail to use such a word. I did give an example of a bust due to injury that is a bust. The one with a comprehensive reading issue is you. Again, the reason for a bust is irrelevant. A bust is a bust.
That was a terrible draft in 1992. Still to this day no one from that draft is enshrined in Canton. 2013 was a bad draft as well.
In fairness, Darren Woodson was in that Draft and he should be in the Hall.
Jimmy Smith was a solid WR. He was drafted by the Cowboys. He never caught a pass for them. His first season he broke his fibula. His second season he did not play due to injury. He had an emergency appendectomy and part of intestine removed. He was cut by the Cowboys and Eagles before the Jaguars signed him. When he abruptly retired, He was seventh in NFL history with 862 catches and 11th in league history with 12,287 yards. Too bad that his substance abuse issues got in the way.
2013 had a crappy first round but some hits later on… travis kelce will make the HOF so it won’t join 1992
2013’s Top 2 saving grace is Eric Fisher, who actually went to 2 Pro Bowls and is the most recent #1 overall pick to win a Super Bowl
2013 has two sure fire Hall of Famers, Travis Kelce and Lane Johnson, two 10,000 yard WR, Hopkins and Allen, two really good corners in Slay and Honey Badger, and an 8 time Pro Bowl full back in Juszcyk. Except for QBs pretty dang good draft.
He said there's only one reggie white mean while in that draft there was a guy named reggie white DT
Sean Gilbert and Troy Vincent would have been two good picks at #1 and #2.
I think Jimmy Smith and Darren Woodson would have also been good picks. They were picked by Dallas with the 36th and 37th picks.
The Chicago cardinals are the Arizona cardinals today same team just new spot
I remember the first Colts game after those picks against the Browns. They both were part of a defensive coups, getting their share of 10 sacks in that game. Talk about a first game tease.
I wasn't a Colts fan but when they drafted those two I couldn't wait to watch them have such a dominating defense. Being a kid and delusional is fun.
Chris Chandler wound up being an decent QB in Atlanta, but yeah Tampa's GM didn't have a clue what he was doing giving up that first lol
Weird for Tampa to give a first for Chandler when they would have been only planning for him to be a backup with Testaverde there at the time.
Wow this made me look up the 1992 Draft damn that was a horrible draft all around. Great video keep them coming.
Welp…. Black Flags Matter 🏁 🏈
Thanks for watching!
Never realized those owners just straight up swapped teams which is wild lmao. 0 HoF players in an entire draft class is tough
That was the first draft I watched. Crazy
The LB they got he was solid he reminded me of the LB from Bills C.Bennett both were good
Jim Irsay was Jerry Jones before Jerry Jones
You mean Robert Irsay?
@@scottst1112 nope I meant exactly who I said
@@bronsonbamnallen1633 except Jim Irsay wasn’t owner yet, he was GM…
Now he is in rehab
Emtman was so juiced that you knew he was going to break down
i was going to post that... I am in Indy and this topic was discussed after Emtman retired. The idea no one would have passed on Emtman is not true... This was a different time when player's were on juice. The Colts should have realized this about Emtman and realized playing on their fake turf was not a good fit. Emtman needed to be drafted by a team with grass as their home field. Secondly it was questionable to draft 2 defensive player's with the 1 & 2 picks. Houston this past year took stroud at QB and Def in Anderson. Irsay as the Colts GM made alot of bad decisions. The Colts didn't turn it around until Robert Irsay passed away with Jim as the owner and hiring Bill Polian as the GM. Then taking Peyton Manning.
He was basically the defensive equivalent of Tony Mandarich IMO.
14:29
Why did all the coaches in the background lift there leg the same way at the same time
I never thought that Coryatt was a bust
I guess Steve Emtman didn’t understand that football is 80% mental and 40% physical.
As soon as I heard Mel Kiper's "expert opinion", I knew those players were busts.
I agree. In 2023, Kiper correctly predicted only one of the 31 draftees in the first round despite updating his analysis on the morning of the NFL draft after gathering additional information. He only predicted the first pick correctly. Everyone knew Bryce Young was going first.
Isn't it just mind blowing how that guy can be so damn wrong so often and still makes millions bloviating about the draft while being called an expert? Dude has to be one of the ultimate grifters in pro sports broadcasting. He never played the game at any level, never coached, never worked for a scouting department or a front office yet people treat his word like it's golden.
@ashleighelizabeth5916 I think people just find him entertaining, similar to Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless.
"Nobody remembers the Chicago Cardinals." - They're known as the Arizona Cardinals today. The franchise is older than the Bears!
You say that the Colts would not have had a chance vs. Dallas in that Super Bowl.
The next season, in 1996, the Colts beat the Cowboys 25-24.
I think Indy would have at least done better vs. Dallas in that Super Bowl than Pittsburgh did.
Comparing a meaningless game in season vs the fn SUPERBOWL!!! Players dont play 1000% in every game during the season. Its a far different mindset. Game plan. Energy level.
Stop it. Your post is dumb
@@charismatic9904 It goes beyond that. Between the Super Bowl and the 96 season Jay Novacek retired, Larry Brown and Russell Maryland went to the Raiders as a FA and Charles Haley missed most of the season with an injury. In addition to all of that Michael Irvin was suspended during the Colts game and Emmitt Smith was only two games removed from the Chicago game where he was carted off the field after suffering an injury that left him temporarily paralyzed. And that's not even accounting for Barry Switzer's shitty coaching catching up with them or Jerry Jones letting the players do whatever the F they wanted when they weren't on the field. 96 would be the last time they won a playoff game in the 1990s. It was the end of the dynasty, killed prematurely by Jones, Switzer and the attrition of free agency.
I was having a beer in Cheney wash looked over there was Steve. I thought I would send him one . When it was his time to round up . He slipped out . I'm thinking he probably still has 9 cents from every dime he ever made . Nothing wrong with that, hope he is healthy and happy.
2:53 Jim was on one
14:02 Bro they still exist. 💀
Kind of weird that the #2 picks in both of the 1/2 for the same team drafts were from Texas A&M, 45 years apart
Alison Smith literally was another Reggie White except he couldn’t get out of his own way
1992 was a horrific draft
Q wasn't a bust. He didn't live up to the 2nd pick selection but he was a solid starting linebacker.
8:42 wrecked!
I never considered injuries as something you can account for. Both those dudes could play. Just no predicting injuries.
The Colts moving literally overnight is some shameful behavior
And eminent domain isn't?
They would have lost all rights to the colts, the city would control the franchise and all of its revenue.
It's a coward move
@nickjames4928 considering it was a last ditch effort to try and keep thousands of jobs in an area dependent on sports teams' popularity to this day?
In this specific case, no it isn't. This isn't Oakland not negotiating with AL and crying about him leaving. Baltimore bent over backwards in negotiations with the Irsays
@@DismalDesolationa precedent was set by the Californian Supreme Court 4 years prior. The Colts would not have been claimed.
Neither player were busts. Steve got hurt and Quentin had a good career.
A "bust" can also be someone who is injury prone. The best ability is availability. This is why Steve Emtman, Charles Rodgers, Ki-Jana Carter, and Brian Bosworth are all considered "busts."
@@RonnieM90 So Andrew Luck is a bust then. Gpt it.
@joepglass No Andrew Luck was a 4x Pro Bowl Selection. A "bust" is usually someone who never made a Pro Bowl.
@@RonnieM90 No, the was the sure thing. Best prospect since Elway. Emtman was playing at a pro bowl level as a rookie until he got hurt.
@joepglass Emtman still never made a Pro Bowl. Luck was a 4× Pro Bowl Selection. Hester was a 4× Pro Bowl Selection and made the NFL HOF.
I used to tutor Quentin in HS.. Helluva talent, not too bright though.. I always thought his shoulder issues did him in?.. Who knows?..
No one was passing on Emtman number 1 overall
As a jags fan, I’m glad they didn’t move to Jacksonville
Coryatt was solid. Not amazing, but totally serviceable
Emtman getting hurt is what made this hard. Coryatt was a decent player but not #2 worthy
1992 goes down as one of the weaker drafts for the first round. In the first round, only two players would make an All-Pro team; Chester McGlockton (Pick 16) and Troy Vincent (Pick 7).
Aaaaandddd, once again!!
Doesn't Emtman make coffee cakes? lol
🔥🔥🔥
Coryatt was very good when healthy.
This could be called "How the Colt's got Peyton Manning"
The Colts also beat the Superbowl champion Cowboys in Dallas early in 1996.
Not the same team. Not even a little bit...
Between the Super Bowl and the 96 season Jay Novacek retired, Larry Brown and Russell Maryland went to the Raiders as a FA and Charles Haley missed most of the season with an injury. In addition to all of that Michael Irvin was suspended during the Colts game and Emmitt Smith was only two games removed from the Chicago game where he was carted off the field after suffering an injury that left him temporarily paralyzed. And that's not even accounting for Barry Switzer's shitty coaching catching up with them or Jerry Jones letting the players do whatever the F they wanted when they weren't on the field. 96 would be the last time they won a playoff game in the 1990s. It was the end of the dynasty, killed prematurely by Jones, Switzer and the attrition of free agency.
Nobody remembers the Cardinals acting like they're no longer in the league 😭lmao
“He was a dog surrounded by other dogs.” Wut.
I wouldn’t call the second guy a bust.
You expect a lot more than that from a number 2 overall pick. He wasn't historically bad but when you pick a player in the top 10 you want them to make at least a couple of Pro Bowls and be close to a 10 year starter.
Butkus and Sayers
Etman was a 190 pounder roided up put to almost 300 pounds and the juice dried up his joints causing a lot of inkuries
You misstate the trade of teams. Bob Irsay was a NEW owner of the Rams - quite possibly put over the top in his bid for the franchise with a little help from Rosenbloom - and the trade was made immediately. The Colts were the more valuable of the two franchises. Rosenbloom was super-frustrated having to deal with Maryland politicians to get a football-only stadium done - cost of which would have come out of his own pocket - and he swapped franchises to avoid that huge expense and frustration.
I have heard, and believe it true, that there were tax advantages to a franchise swap rather than selling the Colts and then buying the Rams, so this is the way he did it. Rosenbloom was a crafty businessman. Irsay was a preposterous, blustering, alcoholic liar who made his money going into competition with his parents in the Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning business, putting them under, and then selling his company to a big corporation.
I think he bought the Rams for $14M. I'd need to look it up, but I think that's right. Wrap your head around that.
.........Bob Irsay's son, Jimmy Irsay, was a walk-on linebacker at Southern Methodist who became his erratic father's right hand man - being promoted to general manager of the team (!!!) with about as much experience as you or I. He did that for over a decade, until the old man died and he took over.
Jim Irsay, like his father, has substance demons of his own, but at least he is not a chunk of human flotsam like Daddy Dearest. He has three daughters who are now Colts execs and seem very nice. I hope they are up to the challenge.
13:57 What do you mean a franchise no one remembers? It's the current Arizona Cardinals.
Both cut short by injury
Will Anderson jr is a defensive end bud
Number one overall pick Jeff George looks like he’s about 45 years old
It was that mustache. Made the dude look like an 80s porn star.
Ah yes…. The infamous Crystal Chandelier
I wondered who else remembered that name. When he finally had a full year where he was healthy he took Atlanta to the Super Bowl. Problem was he could never stay healthy for a full season.
Coryatt was overdrafted for sure, but I wouldn’t call him a Bust.
92 may have been the worst all-around first round of any NFL draft we've seen. The best players were Quentin Coreyat, OT Leon Search, DB Terell Buckley, and DB Troy Vincent..... Not exactly are killers not exactly All pro stacked.
Emtman tore his knee up. Never a bust
The team didn't get value out of him, that's the definition of a bust. Doesn't matter how it happened.
Actually Jeff George isn't a bust. He was a journeymen who had a good arm but would make bonehead decisions. The teams he played for were mediocre and not ever serious contenders
He was basically Jay Cutler of the 90’s
@@jonmcclane7433 Agree
As a number 1 overall pick he absolutely was. He was an anchor on the Colts and then he was an anchor for the Falcons. BOTH teams got better just by getting rid of him.
The problem is that even if they traded back they were getting a trash player. That draft was so ass cheeks that even I didn't know any of those players. The draft classes only got better over time. So any and every draft is better than the 1992 draft.
Injuries happen to the best of them.
Go back when QB Jim Haurbaugh was 1 pass away and go back watch the play if there wouldve been replay it might have been reversed and called a TD watch the play , they were not busts when your body gives out , that means you were good enough but got hurt bad luck , but both started in the NFL one played in a AFC championship a lot never do they both one had bad luck the other played his whole carer he started .
Your inability to say Emtman is cracking me up.
emt-man
not et-man
1992 has to be the worst nfl draft 😂
The problem with Emtman was he had a Steroid addiction that caused the tendon in his muscles to give out he came out and admitted to using steroids so that really derailed his career and their 2nd overall pick was inexcusable they should have taken Darren Woodson cause they needed a Safety that year
Woodson wasn't taken until the second round so clearly nobody realized what a beast he was going to be.
The card's move from Chicago to St Louis and then Arizona do research
being a bust and not being able to stay healthy are 2 totally different things...
A "bust" can also be someone who is injury prone. The best ability is availability. This is why Steve Emtman, Charles Rodgers, Ki-Jana Carter, and Brian Bosworth are all considered "busts."
@@RonnieM90 yes thats how casual fans look at it. Those of us that understand the game would never look at it that way. Go and find me an NFL coach that declared one of his players as a "bust" because of injuries...i'll wait...
Why wouldn't anyone remember the Chicago Cardinals when they still exist and are the oldest team in the league?
I think he's saying no one remembers that they were in Chicago
Was Coryatt really a bust? He was a pretty productive player. Not being a superstar doesn’t make you a bust.
but he really wasn't pick number 2 productive. More like production you expect from a 4th round linebacker. With a #2 pick you expect game changing, multiple Pro Bowls/All Pros, like he said lots of tackles but very little in terms of sacks and turnovers.
Colts may not have got smashed in that superbowl. If Ugly O"Donnell didn't throw 3 INT's the steelers would've won
yippee
The way you pronounce Emtman makes my ears hurt. Emtman...as in Tempt-men without the "T" It sounds like you are saying Epp-men...but I still upvoted your video. Very good.
Eroc Dickrson never had a star QB his whole career RAMS , COLTS then finally it was going to happen and QB who never had RB great now they wouldve one the QB Brett Farve and Eric was coming to GB as a packer fan i was wow who will the D key but going back to COLTS now you look on paper and back to back picks it looked like a HR they were both suppose to be ver good
IMO To be a "bust" you have to fail for reasons other than injuries.
Jeff George was such an ass his linemen quit blocking
There was a reason he never lasted more than 4 seasons with one team and played for 7 different teams. Fantastic arm but zero character or brains. He was like the eye candy boyfriend that every girl thinks she can "fix" but in this case it was coaches that kept thinking they could "fix" him.
Emtman was likely juicing, which was rampant in the NFL at that time. See also #TonyMandarich
The 1991 draft was also pretty weak.
I don't know if I'd go that far. I mean it's hard to call a draft that produced a player like Brett Favre weak...
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 I took another look at that draft, and it's better in retrospect. It took a season or two for players such as Favre and Herman Moore to make their mark, and there's players such as Aeneas Williams, Eric Turner, Todd Lyght, Mo Lewis, Eric Swann, Mike Pritchard, Alvin Harper...I guess I was focusing on the rookies of the year for that season, for in the AFC Leonard Russell (a poor man's Ottis Anderson on a good day) was the offensive ROY, and Mike Croehl (a third-down sack specialist, and that was his peak year) was defensive ROY. In the NFC, Lawrence Dawsey of Tampa Bay was offensive ROY (also his peak), while Aeneas Williams (Now we're talking!) was defensive ROY.
I feel overall though, that with the exception of the 1989 draft, the 1987-1993 drafts were lacking in fresh talent, especially offensively (may explain why offense was so poor by 1993). Anyway, thanks for prompting me to revisit the 1991 NFL Draft, which is certainly better than 1990 or 1992🤔.
@@gluserty 87 was definitely weak. However 88 produced Tim Brown and Michael Irvin (both HOFers) as well as Sterling Sharpe (injuries are the only reason he isn't a HOF), Keith Jackson and Thurman Thomas (another HOFer). I've omitted several noteworthy offensive linemen in consideration of the phrase "offensive power".
1990 gave us Emmitt Smith and I could stop the conversation about offensive production for that draft right there if I wanted to. But in addition to Emmitt we also got Rodney Hampton, Neill O'Donnell (say what you will but the man took his team to a Super Bowl in 95), Brian Mitchell (consistently rated as one of the greatest return men of all time), Shannon Sharpe (in the HOF alongside Emmitt), Larry Centers (all pro and 3x pro bowler) and Barry Foster (all pro and 2x pro bowler). Just Emmitt and Shannon all by themselves make that an extraordinary draft.
1992 I agree that whole draft was just garbage. I mean Jimmy Smith was good enough to have gone to the Hall if his career had been longer but aside from him??? Desmond Howard? Borderline bust for such a high drat choice. Jeff Blake maybe? Never had a chance with a garbage team in Cincy!
1993 was better with Jerome Bettis, Drew Bledsoe, Garrison Hearst and Mark Brunell but not great.
I think what makes it feel like those drafts were the number of high round busts that happened in that era. People like Blair Thomas, Andre Ware, David Klingler and Rick Mire left a taint of failure on that era. Then there were others that had a promising career cut short by career ending injuries like Icky Woods.
All this is to say that the draft is a total and complete crapshoot. For all the millions of dollars spent on scouting and draft analysis the teams would do just about as well selecting their rookies using a dart board in most cases. Which is why I'm not particularly stressed about the draft right now. Nobody knows how those kids are going to shape up on the field and the odds that several of those high round QBs are going to be a bust are pretty strong.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 You're right about the players that didn't live up to their draft spot making it feel like the draft as a whole didn't amount to much. For me, Aundray Bruce going #1 overall in the '88 leaves a bad impression, though I agree about Tim Brown (should've went #1 overall due to being great as a returner & receiver, and also should've been elected to the Hall of Fame sooner), Irvin, Keith Jackson, Thurman Thomas (really should've gone in the 1st round, no question) & Sharpe (I agree, he was great, and in an offense geared to get him the ball; shame he had to retire before winning a championship and elevating his numbers further). I guess '88 bothers me due to a lack of a consensus #1 or top 5. It's really the way I'm looking at it more than the quality of the players you named.kgv
Brian Mitchell, Rodney Hampton, Emmitt Smith, Johnny Johnson, Barry Foster...1990 turned out to be a good year for backs. I wonder about Blair Thomas; he could cutback well, but was good for 8-15 yard runs, not much 20+ (averaged 5 per as a rookie though). It didn't help that the Bruce Coslet Jets had running back by committee (like the Bengals offenses of the 1980's he coordinated), he fumbled too much, and was often injured. I still wonder what Thomas could've achieved with 300 carries; could he have been, say, what Adrian Murrell became, or did he lack elite instincts and vision (Emmitt Smith didn't have breakaway speed, yet he had a metric ton of breakaway runs)? I ask this, but like you said, the draft is a crapshoot, and many factors end up being complete mysteries, both for the positive and negative.
Emtman wasn't a bust. People have got to quit saying bust when a guy suffers career ending injuries.
What injuries did he have
@@johndavis6719 multiple knee injuries. Just unlucky. Unbelievable when healthy.
A "bust" can also be someone who is injury prone. The best ability is availability. This is why Steve Emtman, Charles Rodgers, Ki-Jana Carter, and Brian Bosworth are all considered "busts."
Houston didn't go #1 and #2, last year. they went #2 and #3.
like Washington did in 2000.
i get it, you wanna compare something to something else, but get it right(er).
He said they had 2 and 3
@@louzy8045 yeah, heard that. just making the point that comparing Houston going 2 and 3, and Indy going 1 and 2, and not mentioning Washington at all, can be jarring.
don't have an issue with the 2 indy picks, but it sounds like the evidence being made to fit the facts, not the other way around.